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Monday, March 09, 2015

In it for the long term

A comment about ISIS at Jerry Pournelle's site:
ISIS has more to offer its soldiers than the Western militaries do:
Arab men in traditional culture have NO contact with women at all, not even dating, until they’re married. That can often not be until one reaches the thirties. This has the results you would expect.

ISIS, by contrast, offers a quick marriage both to male and female recruits. For the men  the attractions of marriage are obvious. Women are offered  "wonderful husband and a free house with top-of-the-line appliances, such as a fridge, microwave and even a milkshake machine".  Moreover, ISIS will pay a stipend for every  child the couple bears.

Framed that way, it’s obvious why they exert such a powerful draw.  People who aren’t ever going to amount to much , people who have been let down by their traditional culture, are flocking to a place that offers them a fresh start. And sex , of course. 
I'm going to guess that their soldiers are not subject to divorce-rape the way Western soldiers are either. The fact that they are willing to pay for children born to ISIS couples is an ominous sign that they are planning for the future.

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Blogger Res Ipsa March 09, 2015 4:06 AM  

Lets see on one hand we have a culture that preaches duty, honor, faith, marriage and children.

On the other we have a culture that preaches selfishness, materialism, sexual infidelity and the murder of unborn children. If marriage is mentioned its only as a badge of honor for sexual deviants and frowned upon for anyone else.

I wonder which culture will be around in 100 years.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 09, 2015 6:23 AM  

This has the results you would expect.

And some I wasn't expecting.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 09, 2015 6:30 AM  

You know Vox on a superficial level Islam makes sense. The only problem is 1. It's an insult to God 2. It's untrue 3. Adherents are going to hell


Everywhere Islam has gone it's got there with death and destruction. In spite of Mohammad's logically arrived at delusions of moral adequacy, it is, and always will be a sugar coated white washed lie.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J March 09, 2015 6:45 AM  

well, minus the (optional) "wonderful husband" don't most of our disaffected breeders get furnished homes, cheap food, and a stipend for every child they bear?

The purpose of the IS welfare state runs cross to ours. Planning for the future, indeed.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 09, 2015 7:31 AM  

@ Midnight Avenue J. Every so often it's worth stating the very obvious because the very obvious is often the "Emperor is naked" type stuff. With the West up to it's lower lip floundering in moral relativism all inclusive non judgmental multi cultic nirvana nothingness Muslim men obviously want to defecate on Western notions of equality of sexes, feminism. asymmetric woman weighted lawfare, deviant 'rights', child snatching bureaucracy etc.
To which any genuine conservative will surmise, Thus far we share the same latrine. Then an irreconcilable schism arrives in how you wash your hands and eat your next meal. I could wipe my bum with my left hand, but were I a thieving amputee how could I honour Allah by eating with my right and wiping with my left? Crime and punishment is the least of differences - but every God damned detailed difference your very life could hang on. Luke warm, the vomit cometh, nominal Christians have been so very quiet and everything.

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 7:42 AM  

Vox, what do you think about this theory from the War Nerd?

Look at which countries relied most heavily on those foreign imperial ambitions in the early 20th century, and you get a surprising match-up with the non-Muslim majority countries with the highest rate of Islamic State volunteers. The states with the highest per capita rates are the ones that formed part of the most aggressive overseas empires of the last century: Turkey, England, France, and Belgium. All these countries have suffered a sudden shrinkage, from ruling distant outposts to maybe, if you’re lucky, getting an office job in the boring ol’ home country, such as it is, what’s left of it.

Anonymous Musashi March 09, 2015 7:45 AM  

The Western peoples will decide they want to live and a return to Christendom will commence.....or not.

Anonymous Salt March 09, 2015 8:14 AM  

Women are offered "wonderful husband and a free house with top-of-the-line appliances, such as a fridge, microwave and even a milkshake machine". Moreover, ISIS will pay a stipend for every child the couple bears.

Welfare. Not today, not tomorrow, but ISIS is eventually doomed. Whether they know it or not, they have been infected.

"Planning for the future, indeed."

Agreed.

Blogger Student in Blue March 09, 2015 8:28 AM  

@PhillipGeorge(c)2015
You know Vox on a superficial level Islam makes sense.

All the best lies make sense on a superficial level.

Anonymous farmer Tom March 09, 2015 8:33 AM  

Going along with Res Ipsa's comment.

I constantly hear my single libertarian friends whining and lamenting the child tax credit in the US tax code (this is not a defense of the income tax) but fail to acknowledge our continued decline in marriage rates and in children per couple.

A culture which is going to last multiple generations MUST reproduce itself. We keep limiting the number of our posterity to less than replacement rates, while the jihadists expand their, and we eventually lose.

Incentivising people to have more children seems like sound social policy to me. Even the rag heads have figured that out.

Blogger YIH March 09, 2015 8:36 AM  

A while ago I mentioned (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) a possible scenario where China amasses an invasion force and overwhelms Japan.
Because of Chinese ''one child'' governmental policies China has the most 'lopsided' male/female ratio of any country:
The sex ratio at birth (between male and female births) in mainland China reached 117:100 and remained steady between 2000 and 2013, substantially higher than the natural baseline, which ranges between 103:100 and 107:100. It had risen from 108:100 in 1981—at the boundary of the natural baseline—to 111:100 in 1990.[42][unreliable source?]
Admittedly, I'm quoting the Wikipedia, but just for the sake of argument let's just say there might be a bit of truth in what was posted there.
That means China has males that no matter what, can never find a female in China (supply and demand 101).
It's commonly believed that's China's population is about 1.3 billion, so again, for the sake of argument only, that would work out to about 0.7 b. males and 0.6 b. females.
What to make of the 100 million ''surplus'' males? An invasion force!
All you have to do is look at the US southern border or for that matter, southern Italy and you can see it's a matter of ''water finding it's own level''
If the US or southern Italy does nothing (or even worse than nothing, such as helping them) to stem the tide, ''water will find it's own level''.
That was my point of my fictional ''China invades Japan'' scenario: Throw a 100 million ''surplus'' Chinese males at a geographically close neighboring region (like, for example, north Africa and Italy) against a population of about 125 million (to use ''game'' terminology) ''beta'' and ''gamma'' (or female) Japanese, and they wouldn't stand a chance.
Japan couldn't draft the ''beta''s fast enough, and the ''gamma''s? Even if they could drag them out of their homes, the ''gamma'' Japanese would be little more than ''roadkill''!
And before you say, ''Oh the Japanese will just call on the US for help!'', think how ''helpful'' the US has been in the Middle East in the past 15 years and ''911 is a joke''.
*sigh* quoting Wikipedia again:
The song is about the lack of response to emergency calls in a black neighborhood, but specifically references the poor response by paramedic crews and not the police, which is a common misconception regarding the track;[2]
/rant

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 8:47 AM  

YIH:

You're "comment" needs moar " scare quotes."

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 09, 2015 8:58 AM  

farmer Tom: "Incentivising people to have more children seems like sound social policy to me. Even the rag heads have figured that out."

It must be nice to be able to legislate in harmony with the tao, adaptively, and not be over-ruled by an over-class of hostile aliens to whom leaders of one's own tribe defer. It must be nice, too, to live in harmony with such legislation.

Of course, swapping sides is not an option. The soldiers of Islam advance the interests of their own posterity. What they have in mind for our posterity can be seen from Rotherham and many other atrocities.

Blogger sysadmn March 09, 2015 9:00 AM  

Women are offered "wonderful husband and a free house with top-of-the-line appliances, such as a fridge, microwave and even a milkshake machine". Moreover, ISIS will pay a stipend for every child the couple bears.

Oddly enough, that's the exact same policy used by the Palestinian authority to disincentivize their hard core during the hopeful days around the Dayton peace accord. The leadership decided they'd either have to marry them off, or kill them off.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 09, 2015 9:01 AM  

When soldiers of ISIL fight, they fight not only for paradise but for their own genetic future.

When soldiers of "the West" fight, they advance the values of General Casey, according to which it doesn't matter so much whether they live or die; what matters is the triumph of "diversity," that is, chasing down the last white person.

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 9:20 AM  

Incentivising people to have more children seems like sound social policy to me. Even the rag heads have figured that out.

Depends on who gets the incentives. Hasn't worked out too well for the black urban community or the white Appalachian community.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 09, 2015 9:31 AM  

YIH: "What to make of the 100 million ''surplus'' males? An invasion force!"

Or slave labor in closed factories. It's a Communist tyranny. They can do that.

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 9:33 AM  

When soldiers of ISIL fight, they fight not only for paradise but for their own genetic future.

"Rush O Muslims to your state. Yes, it is your state. Rush, because Syria is not for the Syrians, and Iraq is not for the Iraqis," al-Baghdadi said in a new audio message on Tuesday.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 09, 2015 9:38 AM  

YIH,
The Chinese future has three points. 1. Eventual economic collapse. 2. Excess male pop. as you mention. 3. Little emperor syndrome.

I can deal with #2 for now.
Results of way more males than females.
1. Probable end of females in workforce with females split between high-status males and courtesans.
2. Come to BayGayGing for a real gay time!!
3. Creation of ultra-alphas among the Chinese. Yeah, the guy that makes James Bond look like a punk, and is real. 3rd degree black belt, owns billion dollar company, handsome, knows four languages, has written poetry in Spanish, and skydives from orbit. He and the 0.00001% of Han like him go forth and pick up Western supermodels.
4. War. Probably not directed at the Japanese, Some place you can march too, and which doesn't have nuclear weapons. Its a bad time to be Vietnamese. Women are given to soldiers from the conquered lands. US does nothing as we are not going to interfere on the Asian continent. Too many people watched Princess Bride.
4. Goof off culture. Assisted by drugs and by s exbots and VR games, a culture of kick back music and metalhead music with mary jane and FPS VR games. Our society offers little to many. For many of these men, they will know that their c hoices are Red Army or Goof Off. And the most Little Emperorish will goof.

The local authorities and prudes will hate the goofs because their mere presence stands as an accusation. This will lead into repression, and some of the goofs will cross the line and create a thriving criminal underworld.

It will feel decadent.

ISIL will be encouraged by this, and make moves against this decadent empire, and find out that the neocons weren't totally wrong. You can supress terrorism. All you have to do is make the streets run red with blood.

This will give birth to a new group in the Red Army, the frontier generals who will be, by modern definitions, all war criminals. They will be steely-eyed, and the new Emperor might arise from them. Probably the leader of the Viet Invasion is too carefully integrated to want to tip over the apple cart.

Anonymous Rolf March 09, 2015 9:47 AM  

It is the rising imbalance between males and females that causes the first of the "Chistan" wars in The Stars Came Back. Females infanticide because of the expense of dowries in India and Pakistan have similar results, and Islam allowing multiple wives only makes the problem worse. I expect it to erupt no later than 2040. The rapidly rising rates of Christianity in China to "fight off" the despair of the atheist commie government might be the tripwire that finally draws meaningful Western / Church / Christian attention and action (who actually DOES anything about the repression of the Tibetans or Wiggers, beyond bumper-stickers?)

Epic body counts, but likely degenerating into fairly low-tech conflict in a hurry.

Anonymous Rolf March 09, 2015 9:50 AM  

Farmer Tom - incentivizing the RIGHT people to have children makes sense. By "right" I mean healthy, educated, smart, productive people, who will raise largely bright, healthy, educated, productive kids, not welfare parasites.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 09, 2015 10:12 AM  

ISIS, by contrast, offers a quick marriage both to male and female recruits. For the men the attractions of marriage are obvious. Women are offered "wonderful husband and a free house with top-of-the-line appliances, such as a fridge, microwave and even a milkshake machine". Moreover, ISIS will pay a stipend for every child the couple bears.

Isn't that what College in the US is for? Women are told they will have wonderful careers and the kids get to fuck their brains out in alcohol fueled parties. Of course, not a lot of children result from it.

Maybe the elites have figured out how to stop people from upsetting their apple cart.

Anonymous Feh March 09, 2015 10:17 AM  

Lets see on one hand we have a culture that preaches duty, honor, faith, marriage and children.

On the other we have a culture that preaches selfishness, materialism, sexual infidelity and the murder of unborn children. If marriage is mentioned its only as a badge of honor for sexual deviants and frowned upon for anyone else.


We have already seen that contest play out in Europe and North America. Selfishness, materialism, and sexual license won hands down. Why are duty, honor, faith, marriage and children going to win in the Middle East?

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 10:18 AM  

ISIL will be encouraged by this, and make moves against this decadent empire, and find out that the neocons weren't totally wrong. You can supress terrorism. All you have to do is make the streets run red with blood.

Wait, so not only is ISIS going to survive long enough to take on the Great Red Army Co-Prosperity Sphere, but it's going to conquer all the nations between the Euphrates and the Himalayas?

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 09, 2015 10:53 AM  

Josh,
I like the 'Great Red Army Co Prospherity Sphere'. Its amusing, and accurate to the concept.

The problem is that the steely eyes frontier generals are going to say to their tank commanders, 'kill anything that moves' as they go into a Isis dominated city. And then any survivors are going to be dragged o;ut oftheir houses, and even the slightest evidence of ISIS supports gets a bullet in the head, and real evidence gets the whole family dead.

And at the end of the day, if the stack of bodies isn't at leasat as high as a stop light, the general says 'kill some more'.

ISIS quickly learns to leave the Han alone.

This isn't that far in the future. A few years after a serious collapse in the West.

Why, what do you think happens with this huge over abundance of males?

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 10:59 AM  

ISIS quickly learns to leave the Han alone.

Your primary flaw is assuming ISIS will 1) still be around and 2) will conquer Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan.

Your secondary flaw is assuming that China will not collapse in spectacular fashion before launching expansionary wars.

Blogger Stan Hai March 09, 2015 11:06 AM  

"War. Probably not directed at the Japanese, Some place you can march too, and which doesn't have nuclear weapons. Its a bad time to be Vietnamese. Women are given to soldiers from the conquered lands."

Doubt it. After kicking us out of Vietnam, the VN held off a Chinese invasion *three times* and still had the energy to overthrow Cambodia. And that was over LAND. If China sticks its dong into Vietnam its going to get bitten off. And rumor has it that someone gave Hanoi a nuke...

Anonymous Anubis March 09, 2015 11:36 AM  

''911 is a joke''.*sigh* quoting Wikipedia again: The song is about the lack of response to emergency calls in a black neighborhood, but specifically references the poor response by paramedic crews and not the police, which is a common misconception regarding the track"

I used to be an EMT, they ask for police escorts when heading into bad situations. The Ferguson coverage I saw included that ambulances require 2 cop car escorts even for heart attacks.

"even a milkshake machine"." - So milkshakes do bring the boys to the yard.

"Incentivising people to have more children seems like sound social policy to me"- The US and EU are incentivizing all the wrong people to breed, while telling smart women to work to support stupid women's kids till they are too old to have kids themselves.

"Why, what do you think happens with this huge over abundance of males"

One thing I thought would happen is Eugenics with only the smartest, most competitive males able to afford wives would take the bottom 30% of males out of the breeding pool, until I found out that the 1 child policy doesn't affect China's lower IQ minorities. Where else have we seen a homeland that is 90%+ one ethnicity take a rapid fall?

Blogger Vox March 09, 2015 11:38 AM  

Why are duty, honor, faith, marriage and children going to win in the Middle East?

Because they are locking up the women and throwing the homosexuals off of rooftops.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 09, 2015 11:48 AM  

Part of my theory comes from George Gilder's 'Men and Marriage' a proto-red pill book.

Men growing up have four choices. 1. Compete. 2. Compete in some male only field such as Music, Crime, or Sports. 3. Get Happy!! SF style. 4. Be a drone....thats off the top of my head.

Josh, I think something like ISIS is going to be around for decades. My scenario doesn't require conquest of Iran, etc..

Stan, hmmm, more desperate times, and the reason the US lost is Walter Cronkite, not the VN.

Anonymous Nah March 09, 2015 11:50 AM  

After kicking us out of Vietnam, the VN held off a Chinese invasion *three times* and still had the energy to overthrow Cambodia.

This time Moscow won't have Hanoi's back.

Anonymous Nah March 09, 2015 11:51 AM  

Because they are locking up the women and throwing the homosexuals off of rooftops.

That's where the West was 100 years ago. Selfishness, materialism, and sexual license still won.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 09, 2015 12:03 PM  

Josh, do you think the Chicom leadership has a lack of conviction in its own right to rule, and a lack of the savagery willing to impose same?

I don't know. Its not something I'm well versed on.

And to take this back to the OP. I do think ISIS is demonstrating both qualities. They believe in themselves, and they are willing to kill dissidents with enthusiasm.

Blogger Al Cibiades March 09, 2015 12:09 PM  

From the article

"The street upbringing — as we discussed, the kids on the streets considered homosexuality (active as opposed to passive) a symbol of domination and took pride in it. They would refer to it as “breaking of an eye”. The active participant in the act felt that he had subdued the passive participant by “breaking his eye” and shaming him with it continuously. Often as the result of that, the dominated boy would develop a personality disorder, causing him to feel inferior in the eyes of his peers, who would in turn take advantage and pick on him."

Vox,

It wouldn't be surprising to learn that Scalzi and other gammas had this history. When they're lashing out at strong men, they are really re-directing like a dog in pain biting when you try to help. Really they need psychological and spiritual healing, but they have no awareness and bite and snap furiously to such degree no one wants to help.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera March 09, 2015 12:14 PM  

Ya know, I had been wondering why Somalians in Minneapolis take the trouble to go halfway around the world to fight for ISIS. Figured somebody with a high time preference might decide to stay home and blow up some soft targets instead. This would be bad strategy, so their handlers probably forbid it.

Anyway, now I know!

Also interesting, I guess Somalians around here are getting into crack. The projects that tower over Somalitown have been nicknamed "the crack stacks" and police are starting to make mass arrests of gangs who subsist on crack sales.

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 12:41 PM  

Josh, I think something like ISIS is going to be around for decades. My scenario doesn't require conquest of Iran, etc..

ISIS will be gone as soon as one of its neighbors decides enough is enough. Turkey or Jordan would wipe out ISIS in short order, especially now that ISIS is no longer fighting 4gw.

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 12:42 PM  

Josh, do you think the Chicom leadership has a lack of conviction in its own right to rule, and a lack of the savagery willing to impose same?


Conviction and will is nice and all...but when the money runs out, what then?

Anonymous Nah March 09, 2015 12:51 PM  

Conviction and will is nice and all...but when the money runs out, what then?

Well heck they killed ~70 million when they didn't have any money (Great Leap Forward, Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, etc.) so they'll do just fine if they have to go back to those old school bayonets-and-barbed wire methods.

Blogger Vox March 09, 2015 12:59 PM  

That's where the West was 100 years ago. Selfishness, materialism, and sexual license still won.

Thanks to the biggest credit boom of all time. It's not relevant to the ongoing economic contraction. We've already hit Peak Decadence.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 09, 2015 1:08 PM  

Nah: "That's where the West was 100 years ago. Selfishness, materialism, and sexual license still won."

Joe Biden blurted it out: we have a Jewish over-class that imposed the values it wanted us to have.

Feh: "Why are duty, honor, faith, marriage and children going to win in the Middle East?"

Christianity has morphed into Judeo-Christianity and "Judeo-Christian values," but Islam has not morphed into Judeo-Islam and "Judeo-Islamic values".

Christian Zionism is a powerful force, but Islamic Zionism is not.

White elites, of the Judeo-Christian persuasion, have a completely passive attitude to buying up media and expressing their own traditional values and ethnic interests, but Middle Eastern elites have a different attitude, hence Al Jazeera, for example.

Blogger Marissa March 09, 2015 1:16 PM  

Let me try this comment again:

That's where the West was 100 years ago. Selfishness, materialism, and sexual license still won.


Most women could vote 100 years ago. The 19th amendment in 1920 allowed women to vote in federal elections. The men of America had already caved to their women 100 years ago. They caved to those "of color" back in 1870 with the 15th amendment. Not a 100 years after the Constitution was ratified...there was already something rotten here.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 09, 2015 1:58 PM  

One of my theories is a dictatorship stays in charge until it gives up, or its gets taken out.

Give up....French Revolution, Reagan's victory in the Cold War.

As long as you're willing to as Nah says 'fix bayonets' you stay in power. At least until someone stronger than you takes over.

So the Chicoms get offered a choice. Default or War? Will they choose to double down and slaughter their way clear, or will they fold their cards like Gorby did?

This theory doesn't have much room for money in it. I, unlike many, think every citizen is useful, or can be made so. If you can command allegiance, money doesn' tmatter that much.

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 2:22 PM  

This theory doesn't have much room for money in it.

Money, and more broadly economics, is a fact of life. A theory that ignores economics isn't all that useful.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 09, 2015 2:38 PM  

Just because ISIS has a plan to for the long term doesn't mean they'll make it work. Its still an army of Arab clans and tribes this time united for the spoils. Given the austerity of their peculiar Islamic strain I doubt most people actually believe in it, Just like historical hordes of the past, once the momentum slows enough and the loot stops flowing, the affair tends to explode.

And sure cash and prizes works better for dirt poor people over there than it does here, its not that effective and the strain of Islam practiced by that death cult is extremely austere even for that reason. Probably too much so for long term cohesiveness especially when the spoils run low or casualties get too high.

Also they almost certainly will not be going into China, there is a Muslim problem in China and to the ruling class a Christian and a Falun Dafa one as well, this won't be enough for ISIS to manage to pull that off. Also nothing stops China from using nukes, chemical weapons or germ warfare if they feel like it. That could kill pretty much enough people to stop ISIS cold. They aren't burdened with an excess of our morals, timidity or what we'd call sense over there anyway.

We won't of course but I suspect the West would be wise to invest in ERRB weapons anyway, there were political considerations and probably some technological ones why they were canned but such weapons are real war winners, ISIL becomes too much of a threat, we drop 20 of these beasts, problem solved.

Anonymous Discard March 09, 2015 4:14 PM  

China can send its 100 million excess males to Africa. Export a problem population and import natural resources. Win/win.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 09, 2015 6:23 PM  

Because they are locking up the women and throwing the homosexuals off of rooftops. That's where the West was 100 years ago. Selfishness, materialism, and sexual license still won.

Things where not that bad in the West. Everyone knew Oscar Wilde was gay he only got in trouble for suing someone that called him gay, well that and the underage rent boys that sold him out during the trial. London was safer for gays in Wilde's time , over 100years ago, than when grandmothers and UK soldiers get beheaded in broad daylight.

"2. Come to BayGayGing for a real gay time!!"
There are jobs you can get in Asia where you basically just act the part of "white guy in a suite" http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/29/china.rent.white.people/index.html "The requirements for these jobs are simple. 1. Be white. 2. Do not speak any Chinese, or really speak at all, unless asked. 3. Pretend like you just got off of an airplane yesterday. "

My gay tax dollars are paying for somoli moslems to breed in the US, taught how to use a toilet & supported on benefits until they fly off for jihad, when there are homeless veterans that could use the housing and already know how to use toilet paper.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 09, 2015 8:07 PM  

A.B. Prosper: "Just because ISIS has a plan to for the long term doesn't mean they'll make it work."

Sure. But there's a difference between something that can (and likely will) be smashed by external force despite its inherent viability, and something so ill-made and corrupted that it beats itself.

Anonymous Abie Gefiltefish March 09, 2015 8:56 PM  

ISIS has more to offer its soldiers than the Western militaries do: Arab men in traditional culture have NO contact with women at all, not even dating, until they’re married. That can often not be until one reaches the thirties.

Actually, the same is true of traditional Jewish culture: extreme segregation of men and women, boys and girls. go to some of the Orthodox Jewish web sites. Right now, in many traditional Jewish communities, primarily in the NY/NJ area, sex segregation is extremely strict. Many young Jewish couples to this day have no more than a couple hours to chat (supervised!) before they decide whether to marry or not. At weddings, the men dance with men the women dance with women, and a barricade or wall separates them. In their communities the women walk on one side of the street and the men walk on the other.

And the result is also predictable. There are older boys and men who prey on young boys in the ritual baths (mikvas). Like the other semites--Arabs--they don't want to contaminate the females, so they go after the boys instead.

Google "mikva boy rape".

Anonymous Discard March 10, 2015 1:54 AM  

Abie Gefiltefish: Mikva boy rape? I've never heard of it. Don't those 17th Century Orthodox Jews marry their boys off pretty young? And at least there's a 1/1 sex ratio, rather than some sheik having four wives and ten concubines. And cornholing JEWISH boys, rather than raping shiksas? I'm no fan of the Jews, but I find this doubtful.
But I'll do the Google.

Anonymous Discard March 10, 2015 2:30 AM  

Abie: I did the Google. What can I say? I'm glad at least that they're not raping shicksas.

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