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Tuesday, March 31, 2015

John C. Wright contemplates the meltdown

Tor and Castalia House author John C. Wright calmly contemplates the Toad of Tor's public meltdown, in which she insults literally dozens of excellent and well-regarded science fiction authors and libels at least one notable Tor author:
If my accustomed Vulcan calm could be perturbed, no doubt it would be by the allegations Teresa Nielsen-Hayden, late of Tor Books, is leveling against myself and the other members of the Evil Legion of Evil Authors. But since I am imperturbable, I merely raise one eyebrow and wonder on what evidence, or one what chain of reasoning, she makes her outrageous allegations.

I am motivated, she says, not by what I have publicly, notoriously and repeatedly stated my motives are, but by some unworthy form of spite or resentment. I see. Any protestation to the contrary is dismissed as an unconvincing lie. Accusing me, of all people, of dishonesty certainly has the advantage of being a novel and unexpected accusation.

But on what is it based? No written word of mine can lead an honest onlooker to draw this conclusion. Did she speak to me and deduce this? She did not. Does she have my strange Vulcan power of the Mind Meld, that she can read the secret workings of my green-blooded heart? She does not.

Is it her claim that I am some interloper, some newcomer, who has been reading science fiction since the days when the moonlanding was still science fiction, been a Tor author since before the turn of the millennium, nominated for a Nebula for one of my Tor novels, been insulted by Harlan Ellison like an old hand, been to mass with Gene Wolfe, and wrote the authorized sequel to AE van Vogt’s work, the author whose first story in 1939, back when ANALOG was still ASTOUNDING, heralded the Golden Age of Campbell? It seems she does.
Indeed, the fact that the estimable John C. Wright did not have so much as a single Hugo nomination for his excellent The Golden Age trilogy or his brilliant novellas collected in Awake in the Night Land is one of the most damning rebuttals to any anti-Sad Puppy complaints.

They put forward Scalzi and Swirsky. We put forward Wright and Butcher. And really, that's all you need to know. Meanwhile, the Evil Legion of Evil's International Lord of Hate, Larry Correia, also turns his baleful eye upon the Toad of Tor and points out that in her remarkably stupid meltdown, she has revealed something the SJWs have denied for years.
A few years ago I told the truth in public, and said that SMOF insiders usually knew who all the award nominees were going to be for the year, based upon how popular the authors were to the tiny insular cliques, and they usually knew this before the books came out or had been read by anyone. (hell, that even wound up in our Sad Puppies video!)

I was called a liar. There is no insider info like this! The Hugos are a sainted, pure process. They’re not predictable or manipulated by politics! There are no suggested slates or campaigns behind the scenes! How DARE you?!

Uh huh… So I did in public, in the open, with a bunch of outsiders, what they’ve been doing for years with insiders. Outrage ensues.

So here we are now, a few days away and Teresa is worried. Why? Because as an insider, the people she already knew were SUPPOSED to get Hugo nominations haven’t been contacted…

But if there wasn’t insider info and insider cliques, and most of the noms aren’t predestined forgone conclusions, how does she even know she’s supposed to be so worried and upset?
He also adds an inspiring personal note that everyone who has supported Sad Puppies or Rabid Puppies, even if only in spirit, needs to remember:
Wrath is all you people have.

Well, Teresa, no matter what we do,  no matter what the results, we know we’re going to feel your wrath. Luckily, I’ve demonstrated to the world that your wrath is impotent. For years, authors have lived in fear of angering these Social Justice mobs. They’ve moderated their speech, self censored their art, and walked on eggshells to avoid getting burned at the stake… That’s why I hate you people, and that’s why I’ve loved exposing you for the petty, petulant, and ultimately powerless little bullies that you are.

Your angry mobs only have as much power as the person you’re attacking is willing to grant them. I stood up to you last year, and all it did was bring your antics to the attention of more, good, decent, regular fans. 
The wrath of the enemy is not to be feared. They hate us for simply existing and living as free men. And that gives any man, any woman, with the courage to stand up to them complete carte blanche.

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Blogger wrf3 March 31, 2015 3:12 PM  

JCW: ... been insulted by Harlan Ellison like an old hand...

Oh, tell us more. Please. That had to be epic. To be insulted by Ellison is almost, not quite -- but almost -- as good as having a tau on your forehead.

Blogger Daniel March 31, 2015 3:17 PM  

I wonder if, just before the Toad's epic faceplant upon the surface of this planet, she wondered if it would be friends with her, while nearby a falling bowl of petunias simply thought, "Oh no, not again."

Anonymous Mike M. March 31, 2015 3:24 PM  

Anyone trying to deny that John Wright has written some Hugo-worthy material is completely illiterate. I personally rate him as the best writer of short stories, essays, and novellas currently living.

Blogger Vox March 31, 2015 3:35 PM  

I personally rate him as the best writer of short stories, essays, and novellas currently living.

Seconded.

Anonymous Stickwick March 31, 2015 3:37 PM  

The wrath of the enemy is not to be feared. They hate us for simply existing and living as free men. And that gives any man, any woman, with the courage to stand up to them complete carte blanche.

Vox, thanks for doing what you do. This has clarified the situation and given me, and no doubt many others, new resolve.

Blogger wrf3 March 31, 2015 3:37 PM  

Bah. JCW is good, but Ellison isn't dead. Yet.

OpenID simplytimothy March 31, 2015 3:46 PM  

Your angry mobs only have as much power as the person you’re attacking is willing to grant them.

This.

Grant them nothing, no matter the battle.


Blogger Noah B March 31, 2015 3:46 PM  

Best $40 I've spent in a while. Thanks Vox.

Anonymous you peckerwoods make me laugh March 31, 2015 3:54 PM  

LOL. If this is "libel" when is the lawsuit? Where did you file it?

Blogger Rabbi B March 31, 2015 4:01 PM  

"I personally rate him as the best writer of short stories, essays, and novellas currently living."

Not to mention a great human being - a real mensch.

Mensch: Yiddish - "a person of great integrity,dignity, and honor"

Blogger Nate March 31, 2015 4:03 PM  

"They hate us for simply existing and living as free men."

and for our large american penises.

Anonymous kh123 March 31, 2015 4:05 PM  

"If this is "libel"..."

Seems twainweck had some free time after lunch. To contemplate the finer points of law.

Anonymous Salt March 31, 2015 4:06 PM  

The Hugo water's heating up pretty fast. Lets see if the Toad jumps.

Blogger John Wright March 31, 2015 4:07 PM  

"Oh, tell us more. Please. That had to be epic."

I hate to disappoint you, but it was quite routine.

After his 2006 Nebula Awards speech, I wanted to shake his hand for his work getting AE van Vogt a long-overdue recognition as a grandmaster. He asked if I drank, and I said, no, I was a teetotaler, and he snorted, "Well, what can you expect from a straight, white goyim!" (which is odd, because he does not drink either).

It is a schtick, an act. No one should let it bother him. It is insult comedy, like Don Rickles (whom no one reading this probably remembers -- Google the name).

He was only answering back for an earlier slight I had paid him, however. During his speech, he had to pause and thumb through his notes. Growling to cover his embarassment, he playfully muttered to the audience that we were all too much pussies to get up and walk out.

I immediately got up and walked out.

(To be honest, I had to visit the men's room, and it seemed the perfect opportunity. I came back in later to hear the balance of the speech).

My wife in shock clutched at my sleeve as I stood, and the audience all around (I was at the front table) tittered in nervous embarrassment, or laughed aloud.

I think Mr E thought the laughter was for him, because there was a potted plant between he and I, so I am not sure if he saw me answer his challenge.

But I was the only man in the room who, by the Harlan standard, was not a pussy.

Blogger Vox March 31, 2015 4:07 PM  

and for our large american penises.

But Japanese are harder! (low, guttural laugh) Heh heh heh heh.

Blogger John Wright March 31, 2015 4:18 PM  

wtf3, for the record, I am with you.

Gene Wolfe is not dead yet, either. I suggest 'Fifth Head of Cerberus' is as potent and profound as the short tales of Poe or Flannery O'Connor, with layers of meaning none have plumbed.

Nor is Larry Niven dead. Nothing I have written approaches 'Neutron Star' -- which is the example I always hold up as a perfectly crafted science fiction short story, the exact blend of science and story, perfect pacing, just the right amount of characterization, easy prose, truly alien aliens, an astronomical mystery, a surprise twist at the end, etc.

I appreciate the compliments of those who praise my skill, and I know no author can judge his own work. I think I am quite good, and I am certainly quite ambitious. I take my craft seriously and my self not seriously as all (which is why I have selected Wendel the Manatee as my spokesmammal). I am not playing with false modesty here: I am excellent at what I do. But not the best.

Blogger John Wright March 31, 2015 4:23 PM  

"LOL. If this is "libel" when is the lawsuit? Where did you file it?"

Are you seriously going to argue points of the law with me, a lawyer?

Not all libel is actionable. Libel is any false and defamatory publication, negligently or willfully, to a third party; but to be actionable, I would have to allege damages, that is, that Mrs Hayden's comment cost me revenue or damaged my standing and reputation in the community. I doubt she wields that influence.

Likewise, fraud is illegal, but lying, simply making a false statement, is not.

So your comment is akin to someone saying, "Well, if he lied, why don't you sue?" Only someone who flunked his High School Civics would make such a remark.

Blogger S1AL March 31, 2015 4:26 PM  

Mr. Wright, I regret to inform you that no civics class of the last decade is likely to have even approached such a subject. High school civics is taught to freshmen to fulfill a board mandate, not for the purpose of actual education.

Anonymous Steve March 31, 2015 4:27 PM  

Some advice, please.

I'm a supporting member of Sasquan.

So... how do I vote for the Hugo awards? Do they email a ballot after the nominations are published?

Anonymous Alexander March 31, 2015 4:28 PM  

In fact, I'd venture that teaching the class in such a way that no useful knowledge on civics is actually transferred from teacher to student is part of the exercise.

Blogger Vox March 31, 2015 4:31 PM  

So... how do I vote for the Hugo awards? Do they email a ballot after the nominations are published?

They will email you a pin number and password, which you will use to log in and vote using a form on their site.

Blogger S1AL March 31, 2015 4:35 PM  

My HS civics was taught by a liberal loon who about became apoplectic when I suggested that sexism deviancy was a major contributing factor to the decline of the Roman Empire. The most useful thing I learned in that class was that nobody had any idea what was actually in the Constitution.

That said, the teacher also encouraged me to pursue AP history classes, which were actually very useful, and for that I remain grateful.

But I suspect that you, Alexander, may be quite correct: civics as taught today contains no information that makes a student a better or more informed citizen, but enough material to make a student more - shall we say - useful. To the right sort of people.

Anonymous Steve March 31, 2015 4:38 PM  

Thank you Vox.

Anonymous Salt March 31, 2015 4:39 PM  

Don Rickles (whom no one reading this probably remembers

Unfortunately, you are quite wrong. It was always fun when Carson had him on.

Anonymous Gecko March 31, 2015 4:40 PM  

Nothing I have written approaches 'Neutron Star' -- which is the example I always hold up as a perfectly crafted science fiction short story, the exact blend of science and story, perfect pacing, just the right amount of characterization, easy prose, truly alien aliens, an astronomical mystery, a surprise twist at the end, etc.

I like what you write, John. (Thank you for The Unified Theory of Madness!) However, I have to second your opinion of Neutron Star. In my dictionary, it would be one of the definitions of Science Fiction.

Anonymous Porky March 31, 2015 4:40 PM  

Hehehe....John Wright thinks we landed on the moon.

Anonymous Steve March 31, 2015 4:43 PM  

I haven't read much Harlan Ellison.

But I have read "Jeffty Is Five". And it is a hauntingly beautiful piece of writing.

Anonymous Stephen J. March 31, 2015 4:44 PM  

But we did. You see. . . WE'VE BEEN LIVING ON THE MOON ALL ALONG!

Anonymous Salt March 31, 2015 4:45 PM  

I would have to allege damages, that is, that Mrs Hayden's comment cost me revenue or damaged my standing and reputation in the community

Careful, Mr. Wright. She may soon come at you demanding recompense, alledging her actions have enhanced your reputation, and at her expense.

Anonymous James Schardt March 31, 2015 4:50 PM  

I was thinking it was one of the things that makes one say "I've made it!"

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 31, 2015 4:51 PM  

""They hate us for simply existing and living as free men."and for our large american penises."

Actually that's the only thing they like about us, kind of how moslems hate everything about the West except the benefits office.

Anonymous James Schardt March 31, 2015 4:55 PM  

Epic :)

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus March 31, 2015 4:56 PM  

Loved Don Rickles as a kid...at least what I was permitted to see...mostly on Carson.

He had an awesome vampire-death in the movie Innocent Blood, IMHO.

Anonymous Feh March 31, 2015 5:24 PM  

Always found Rickles merely abrasive, never funny.

Anonymous kfg March 31, 2015 5:53 PM  

Not only is Mr. Wright not the oldest man in this room, but I was watching Dean Martin roasts on YouTube just a few days ago and, judging from the comments, he would not be the youngest man in that room.

They didn't understand him, but they'd heard of him.

Blogger luagha March 31, 2015 5:57 PM  

Don Rickles still lives and works, and I'm told going to a live show of his is like being thrown by an eighty-year-old judo master. No strength needed, all technique and perfect timing, improvising in the moment.

Blogger Azimus March 31, 2015 5:59 PM  

VD:
They hate us for simply existing and living as free men


Dubya, is that you?

The sad thing is, your statement is much nearer the truth than the same statement made about Pashtun shepherds by W. What galls me is they hate and loathe and despise and rage on like Rumpelstiltskin against the system that has given them everything. The cancer that they spread, the diseased and psychotic "system" that they espouse has given them nothing and threatens to kill the host. They curse the hand that blesses them and cling to the hand that smites them. They are living Isaiah 5:20's...

Blogger Brad Andrews March 31, 2015 6:18 PM  

I like Niven overall, more when Pournelle was there to tone down his sexual focus. Though I have still read many of his works and I should finally finish the Ringworld ones, though the original remains stronger.

Anonymous Mike M. March 31, 2015 6:42 PM  

The Niven/Pournelle team is very hard to beat. "The Mote in God's Eye" is a masterpiece.

Anonymous Jake March 31, 2015 6:48 PM  

In my opinion, Sad Puppies was inevitable when they gave that hack Scalzi the Hugo for Redshirts. Nobody with an ounce of sense can believe he won that on artistic merit, and that was the final nail in the coffin for the illusion that the Hugo awards were not politically motivated and rife with Tor favoritism.

Anonymous Leonidas March 31, 2015 6:56 PM  

Indeed, the fact that the estimable John C. Wright did not have so much as a single Hugo nomination for his excellent The Golden Age trilogy or his brilliant novellas collected in Awake in the Night Land is one of the most damning rebuttals to any anti-Sad Puppy complaints.

Mr Wright, I agree with your comments about other still living authors perhaps being greater - a comment to which you should take absolutely no offense because holy crap at some of the authors who are still living.

Nevertheless, the failure of The Golden Age trilogy to secure even a single Hugo nomination is one of the great tragedies of our age and should be considered, all on its own, proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the Hugos are meaningless.

Only someone who flunked his High School Civics would make such a remark.

Or someone who took High School Civics from a public school.

OpenID malcolmthecynic March 31, 2015 7:13 PM  

That "Awake in the Night" received no nominations is a crime. A story that reaches Tolkienian heights.

I wasn't as big a fan of "The Last of All Suns" as the rest of the world seems to be, but the ending of that story is quite possibly the single best I've ever read, in any story, ever.

Anonymous Ain March 31, 2015 7:16 PM  

TNH: "I think they’ve succeeded in f*cking up the ballot beyond all expectation, and they know the SF community is going to explode when we see it."

This quote from her is a great confirmation of things to come.

I was wondering how anyone from Sad Puppies could really know what the results were going to be before hand and attributed it to pumping up morale and commitment, but now I understand how the ballot results are foreknown through the nominee contacting process. I look forward to being a part of SP4.

OpenID malcolmthecynic March 31, 2015 7:16 PM  

As for Ellison, I've read three of his works. One was "Repent, Harlequin", which I found meh. Good for the novelty of the conceit but not otherwise covering well-worn ground.

One was "I Had No Mouth", which was creepy as Hell but son of a bitch was it depressing. I know that was the point, but still, throw me SOME sort of bone.

The third was "Paladin of the Lost Hour", which I greatly enjoyed.

OpenID malcolmthecynic March 31, 2015 7:21 PM  

(Incidentally, my ballot this year was made up mostly of Wright stories, under the solid theory that the man deserves SOME sort of recognition, because he had a fantastic year when it comes to fiction. "City Beyond Time", "One Bright Star" and "The Book of Feasts and Seasons" could all win in one category or another.

Anonymous Ain March 31, 2015 7:30 PM  

"They’ll rant and rave, and go into hysterical fits, and they’ll libel and slander innocent people, and make up wild accusations… You know, the usual." - Larry Correia

It will be telling to make a collection of quotes from their reactions to the ballot verses what the Sad Puppies has been. I'm sure it will be very telling, and a bit one-sided as to where the professionalism lay.

Anonymous JRL March 31, 2015 7:35 PM  

Just saw something unusual in my town...two women at a busy intersection holding signs that said "honk if you love science fiction" and something like "Prepare for the _____" (I couldn't make out that last part). I have no idea what they were about, but it seemed like they were campaigning for something...

Anonymous Giuseppe March 31, 2015 8:02 PM  

But we did. You see. . . WE'VE BEEN LIVING ON THE MOON ALL ALONG!

Wait... That's not us! That's the Nazis... Or...wait...are you saying because we are on the side of the Evil....as in League of Evil....hmmm....the plot thickens indeed!

Anonymous John B Wrong March 31, 2015 8:04 PM  

John C. Wright is bound to win in one of the following categories:

- Most pompous, ponderous and prissy author
- Most tediously overwritten Vance ripoff
- Most hilariously deluded christard
- Most nauseatingly gamma protagonist (woman, you light out for the Hyades, you just filed for divorce, and don't expect me to sit here masturbating until you get back)

Blogger pdwalker March 31, 2015 8:36 PM  

Yeah Mr Wrong, Mr Wright just doesn't display the talent in that gem of a story, "if only you were a dinosaur, my love"

Blogger MidKnight March 31, 2015 8:55 PM  

The Niven/Pournelle team is very hard to beat. "The Mote in God's Eye" is a masterpiece.

Agreed.

OpenID malcolmthecynic March 31, 2015 8:59 PM  

pdwalker,

I agree. I mean, the man doesn't even ATTEMPT to use gender-neutral pronouns, or create protagonists with interchangeable sexes. And he dares call himself a sci-fi writer!

Blogger LP 999/Eliza March 31, 2015 9:01 PM  

Rock on Mr. Wright!

Talk about ballots heating up.

"They’ll rant and rave, and go into hysterical fits, and they’ll libel and slander innocent people, and make up wild accusations… You know, the usual." - Larry Correia

Wrath reminds me of bitterness, one swallows the cyanide expecting the opposition to feel the hurt and decline one dealt themselves.

There is nothing to fear, SJWERmcjizzlers are just what I stated, are continually nonsensical people by their words.

(SJWers, Tor, Miss H are so damn jealous of Castalia.)

Also there was something in the air the last few weeks, something esoteric, its not Game Related or GamerGate related.

You know how sometimes friends, associates and even family try to pull another person with gifts? Sometimes the pull, the manipulation is the gift over the recipient.

When one takes the power away from them, stating, "no thanks, I dont want your gift, I'm fine but thank you, yeah I love you too but I'm fine without your gifts" watch the freak out ensue.

Consider the calm objective words of Vox & Mr Wright, they remained objective even cool in their responses not going emo but returned comments in logic, SJW's can't take that.

Blogger Anthony March 31, 2015 9:04 PM  

"Careful, Mr. Wright. She may soon come at you demanding recompense, alleging her actions have enhanced your reputation, and at her expense."

She wouldn't do that, because if the enhancement to Wright's reputation has any effect on his book sales, her husband will profit thereby as well.

Anonymous Scintan March 31, 2015 9:47 PM  

John C. Wright is bound to win in one of the following categories:

Mr. Wright has his very own ankle biter, I see.

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii March 31, 2015 9:56 PM  

John C Wright is the Professional Guest of Honor for ABC DSC the 2016 Deep South Science Fiction Convention in Atlanta Georgia.
In a moment of weakness, I agreed to be Eminence Grise (Vice Chairman).
Website and details following.

Anonymous dc red dogs March 31, 2015 10:45 PM  

While I admire John Wright's humble mention earlier in this thread of the wonderful Wolfe and Star-Trek scriptwriter Ellison, not to mention Niven and Pournelle, it is only fair to point out that real self-respecting writers aspire (and rightly so) to compare themselves, with regard to bragging rights, to everyone who would have been their competitor had they lived to 150. So Wright, born in 1960 or so, and whose first real writing decade would be the 1980s, is the writing contemporary, in a world where 150 is as old as one gets (that is, to be repetitive, maximum human age absent reasons not to reach maximum age) of writers born in 1840 or later whose 130-year careers started anytime after their twentieth birthday in 1860 (assuming nobody writes much besides juvenilia before the age of 20) and ended in 1990. This is simple application of chronology to biology.

Blogger John Wright March 31, 2015 11:05 PM  

I would take seriously a critic who called my pompous, for I am: but when he dismisses Menelaus Montrose as a gamma male because he fails to embrace the heretical Protestant invention called divorce when his true love lights out to M3 to save the human race, I realize I am talking to a cock who no doubt pecked out his words on the keyboard at random. It is like dismissing Homer for making Odysseus want to get back with Penelope after a two decade separation.

These creatures have no sense of the romantic, no ideals, no feeling for the strength of oaths, no admiration for devotion, nothing but crass selfishness and a quirky curiosity about morbid self destruction. Read their literature. Theirs are books about nothing.

So, you started off strong dear critic, but then you blew it. Have you truly nothing but negative emotions in your life? No logic, no reason, no sense, no sense of honor, no sense of humor, no lightness of spirit, no sense of deep and sacred things, no joy in humanity, no love of children, snow, flowers, stars, science, the cold beauty of a Euclid proof, the wild power of a Wagner opera -- nothing?

You gave up your soul and got nothing in return? Nothing?

Blogger JCclimber March 31, 2015 11:11 PM  

I just found out that my cousin also supports the Sad Puppies through one of his Facebook posts.

small world.

Anonymous kh123 March 31, 2015 11:12 PM  

If You Were A Libelous Train Wreck, My Love.

Coming soon, to a fine bookstore that is about to close near you.

Anonymous tiredofitall March 31, 2015 11:16 PM  

I was really hoping Mr. Wright would answer the troll himself.

It's like watching a battle of the wits, only the troll happily runs off to fight armed with a popgun versus Mr. Wright's howitzer.

Blogger JCclimber March 31, 2015 11:21 PM  

I like Card's short stories as well.
Does Stephen King count as an author in this context? Because his short stories were some of the best. I haven't read anything he wrote in the last 15 years, however.

Anonymous SJW Hivemind April 01, 2015 12:29 AM  

I just found out that my cousin also supports the Sad Puppies through one of his Facebook posts.

small world.

Your family has been genetically programmed to resist social justice. We must correct this defect. Bring your extended family to our clinic so that we can fix you.

Blogger tim April 01, 2015 3:24 AM  

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Blogger tim April 01, 2015 3:28 AM  

Divorce has no foundation in Protestantism. Jesus quotes Moses. Just saying.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 01, 2015 5:08 AM  

snark and retreat
snark and retreat

They'll be toasting those cowardly SJW attacks with their warm, gluten free milk in the hug-box tonight. Well done ladies, well done. Legendary campfire tales of feigned courage and swift withdrawal to be sure.

Anonymous done with it April 01, 2015 6:37 AM  

"heretical Protestant invention called divorce"

Catholic-Attack!

Mr. Rome or Die unmasked, I presume?

OpenID malcolmthecynic April 01, 2015 9:39 AM  

Mr. Rome or Die unmasked, I presume?

I don't know what you mean by "unmasked". Mr. Wright has been openly Catholic for some time now, and has a good deal of apologetic posts on his blog. He is a friend of the Protestants but certainly never shied away from criticizing them.

Anonymous Porky April 01, 2015 10:21 AM  

Why are catholics so dumb?

Anonymous Piglet April 01, 2015 12:18 PM  

"Why are catholics so dumb? "

Why are Protestants?

After all, Protestants invented divorce. See Deuteronomy 24. Moses was a Protestant, doncha know?

"heretical Protestant invention called divorce"

Also, if Protestants had any brains at all, they would simply rename their "divorce" as "annulment" and ...poof ... no more divoice, thanks to mystical Pope-magic: http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/alternativestodivorce/ht/annulment.htm

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 01, 2015 12:57 PM  

Sort of on topic... the very timely release of this Emperor Wendell video is just... Well, I really don't know what to say about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYIiy03eGE0

Anonymous Heh April 01, 2015 1:02 PM  

"It is like dismissing Homer for making Odysseus want to get back with Penelope after a two decade separation."

Odysseus wasn't faithful to her during that separation.

Being an alpha, he had options and took advantage of them.

Blogger John Wright April 01, 2015 1:34 PM  

"Odysseus wasn't faithful to her during that separation."

Reread Book One of the Odyssey, and tell me that sounds like a man happy with his divine lover?

Anonymous patrick kelly April 01, 2015 1:40 PM  

Anal sniping swine pouncing on prose as attention stealing, whoring, drama queens.

You really think Mr. Wright is ignorant of Jesus' quoting Moses or the Catholic misuse of annulment?

On strength of style or wit such trolling barely requires swatting away.......

Anonymous Heh April 01, 2015 2:06 PM  

I'm sure he hated every minute of the seven years he spent banging Calypso.

Anonymous Porky April 01, 2015 2:13 PM  

You really think Mr. Wright is ignorant of Jesus' quoting Moses or the Catholic misuse of annulment?

I just think he's ignorant about protestants. And divorce.

Anonymous Piglet April 01, 2015 3:00 PM  

Some guy farts: "Anal sniping swine pouncing on prose as attention stealing, whoring, drama queens."

Yeah, that's why every thread on VD turns into Catholics saying "Pull my finger and smell my farts, protestants."

And yes I blame Mr. Wright directly for this trend. Do ever wonder why you see less and less regulars commenting here?

But by all means, continue on with the latest edition of CatholicsAttack (TM).

Anonymous patrick kelly April 01, 2015 3:24 PM  

" the latest edition of CatholicsAttack (TM)"

One relatively brief, tangential, snarky bit of prose is an attack? I thought pigs had thicker skin.

" Do ever wonder why you see less and less regulars commenting here?"

It's hard to type while ROFLMAO at pigs rolling in the mud?

"Regulars" doesn't mean who you think it means? (piglet must be a newborn)

Or...no, I haven't noticed that at all.......

...and what's with the flatulence references.....are you Nate's sock puppet?

Blogger John Wright April 01, 2015 3:29 PM  

"I'm sure he hated every minute of the seven years he spent banging Calypso."

Reread Book One and tell me in what condition Odyeseus is in when Hermes arrives and gives the message of the gods to Calypso. What is he doing?

But we are drawing away from the central contention here. You claim that alpha males, real men, are not loyal to their brides. I call bullshit.

Anonymous Porky April 01, 2015 3:42 PM  

Anal sniping...

Webster's defines this as "1. An ignorant and undignified slur made by a self-righteous but ill-informed catholic."

Anonymous Piglet April 01, 2015 3:54 PM  

"I thought pigs had thicker skin."

I know who doesn't ... the think-skinned papists who sneak a tangential, snarky bit of prose --OFF TOPIC-- in EVERY THREAD.

Anonymous Heh April 01, 2015 3:54 PM  

He got bored with her and nexted her. Pure alpha.

"You claim that alpha males, real men, are not loyal to their brides."

Not quite. He has the option to be loyal or not, whatever pleases him. The key to his alphaness is that it is his choice - it is not forced on him by law or female whim.

Blogger bob k. mando April 01, 2015 8:15 PM  

the estimable John C. Wright


ah heeeee.

if i could make an extremely minor request:
do you think Castalia House could make it company policy that John always be referred to officially and in all documents and contracts as "The estimable Mr. John C. Wright the Thurd ( to get that Thurston Howell affect, natch ), Esq"?

because that would be AWESOME.

Blogger bob k. mando April 01, 2015 8:29 PM  

Piglet April 01, 2015 3:00 PM
And yes I blame Mr. Wright directly for this trend.



then engage his points directly.

hell, it's not as if protestants / baptists ( including me ) don't say things that ruffle other denominations feathers. and just look at how much crap mormons and calvinists take here.

does the estimable Mr. Wright take offense at some of the things that some of us say? what of it? does that make you AFRAID to say it?

then maybe your balls need to drop.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 02, 2015 3:44 AM  

John Wright: "Reread Book One and tell me in what condition Odyeseus is in when Hermes arrives and gives the message of the gods to Calypso. What is he doing?"

Just because a man is on the sea-shore as usual, looking out upon the barren ocean with tears in his eyes, groaning and breaking his heart for sorrow, that doesn't mean he's finding his lover less than divine.

...Book One or Book V?

Blogger Markku April 02, 2015 7:04 AM  

does the estimable Mr. Wright take offense at some of the things that some of us say?

I offend him almost as policy (although I'm not sure he has noticed), but the thing with off-topic sniping is that if you respond to it, it drags the entire thread off-topic.

Blogger Desiderius April 04, 2015 10:32 AM  

"The key to his alphaness is that it is his choice - it is not forced on him by law or female whim."

The are other, greater, forces not dreamt of in your philosophy.

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