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Tuesday, March 17, 2015

Rumors of war

Russia is positioning its forces to potentially engage the new NATO troops in Ukraine:
On Monday, President Vladimir Putin gave the order to bring Russia's Northern Fleet, separate units of the Western Military District and the Airborne Troops to full alert in snap combat readiness exercises. The drills involve a total of 38,000 troops, 3,360 military vehicles, 110 aircraft and helicopters, 41 ships and 15 submarines.

Snap military exercises will be held in the sea, as well as on the ground and in the air until March 21. Their ultimate goal is to improve the military capabilities of the Russian Armed Forces, according to the Defense Ministry.

And then completing the trifecta, in addition to Crimea and Kaliningrad, as many as 30 army air force crews of Russia's Western Military District are being redeployed from airfields in the Leningrad and Smolensk regions to a military airfield near the Arctic Circle as part of surprise combat readiness drills being held in the Northern Fleet and the Western Military District, according to an Interfax report.
It's far from a full mobilization, but then, given the relatively small number of NATO troops that have been established in Ukraine and the Baltics, the Russians don't need much to counter them.

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OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 March 17, 2015 9:04 AM  

But...but...the UN says.
Hey, wouldn't the movement of all those Russian and NATO assets put them ALL a bit closer to Middle Eastern "interests"?

CaptDMO

Anonymous takin' a look March 17, 2015 9:15 AM  

Is Putin even alive? Or that ayatollah? The past week has been very odd, Jimstone.is has been saying this has been a coup to get the war going.

Blogger Nate March 17, 2015 9:17 AM  

This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Blogger Nate March 17, 2015 9:17 AM  

"Is Putin even alive? Or that ayatollah? The past week has been very odd, Jimstone.is has been saying this has been a coup to get the war going."

Dude.

He was in switzerland with his hot gymnast girlfriend while she was popping out his kid.

Anonymous takin' a look March 17, 2015 9:24 AM  

-Nate

I do hope so.

Anonymous FP March 17, 2015 9:32 AM  

"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."

Russians don't take a dump son without a plan.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2015 9:42 AM  

Jesus Putin's girlfriend is hotter pregnant than 94% of American SJW hamplanets.

Blogger Salt March 17, 2015 9:43 AM  

Good timing, too. Especially for believers in signs.

Anonymous SixtusVIth March 17, 2015 9:49 AM  

as many as 30 army air force crews of Russia's Western Military District

I see that Russia organizes it's armed forces like Pournelle wants, with the air force as a branch of the army. Further sign of their good sense?

Anonymous Starbuck March 17, 2015 9:57 AM  

I do hope so.

You hope so, what?

Are you hoping Putin's girlfriend had their baby?
Or you hoping for world war 3?

You gotta admit, Putin does put his money where his mouth is. He has been trying to get women to have more babies in Russia. To boost their population.

Anonymous takin' a look March 17, 2015 10:21 AM  

-Starbuck

Don't be a disingenuous pseudo smart-ass. It is okay, even here, to assume that I meant well wishes to Putin and his new family.

Nah, on second thought, bring on world war III. This place sucks.

Anonymous Anubis March 17, 2015 10:31 AM  

Putin- Joe Biden's cocaine snorting son in charge the Ukraine's natural gas said your child is ugly. I however, wish you and your family well.

Anonymous Starbuck March 17, 2015 10:34 AM  

Don't be a disingenuous pseudo smart-ass. It is okay, even here, to assume that I meant well wishes to Putin and his new family.

smart ass? How on earth was I being a smart ass? Nate had made 2 comments and I was curious about what you had your hopes up for. Sorry for not being a mind reader but I have made assumptions only to be called nasty names because I didn't clarify. Now that I try to clarify, I am a smart ass?

Fuck you.

Anonymous takin' a look March 17, 2015 10:42 AM  

-Starbuck

And you assumed from my first comment and Nate's subsequent comments that I was hoping for WWIII? Then had a smart-assed assburger remark to me. What exactly were you expecting? That I should hold your hand and gently correct you? I'm not your wetnurse, so stop looking for a tit to suckle from.

Anonymous Salt March 17, 2015 10:44 AM  

Starbuck, +1

Anonymous Ain March 17, 2015 10:45 AM  

There's lots of people here that are wishing for World War III. It's not an unusual thing to clarify.

Anonymous Shorty March 17, 2015 10:51 AM  

Ladies, ladies. Use your inside voices.

Anonymous Starbuck March 17, 2015 10:52 AM  

And you assumed from my first comment and Nate's subsequent comments that I was hoping for WWIII? Then had a smart-assed assburger remark to me. What exactly were you expecting? That I should hold your hand and gently correct you? I'm not your wetnurse, so stop looking for a tit to suckle from.

What is with people these past few years?
I ask for clarification from VD, even though it is plain as a day(no pun intended) and he always clarifies. No insults, no weak minded comments. He just gives the needed information and moves on. Same with most everyone else on this BBS (sorry blog).

Now you "takin' a look" suddenly and without provocation attack my character and feels the need to marginalize me.

So, Fuck You Dickhead!

Oh and piss off!

Anonymous Starbuck March 17, 2015 10:53 AM  

Ladies, ladies. Use your inside voices

I didn't shout until the end part.

Anonymous takin' a look March 17, 2015 10:54 AM  

-Ain

You can't be serious. What, are they thinking of blood and gold and glory? How about all your children melting into street pizza from the white phosphorus raining down on them?

Anonymous Trimegistus March 17, 2015 10:55 AM  

VD: keep your head down. If this gets ugly all of Europe is the front.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 17, 2015 10:58 AM  

Putin has to do something before they run out of money. As whatever they do has to bring money in. Russia has an enduring strategic interest in the Crimea. Sevastopol will never be given up. Putin may be a lot of things, but weak and vacillating like Obama ain't one of them. Has anyone remembered that the Ukraine is the bread basket of Russia? Historically illiterate folks are always surprised. How about the Holodomor? Where Stalin literally starved most of the Ukrainian people to death?

Blogger bob k. mando March 17, 2015 11:01 AM  

well. we've certainly got a lot of opinions flying around in this thread.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic March 17, 2015 11:03 AM  

The US 101st Tripwire Division ...

We are really idiots threatening war over that corrupt pit that would probably be better off ruled by Russians.

Anonymous Ain March 17, 2015 11:18 AM  

No, i don't think people are serious when they root for World War III on an internet forum. But a good nuking doesn't have to be a bad thing. Fallout 2 was a fun game, and living it irl would be exciting.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 17, 2015 11:20 AM  

Food and water have always been the most basic weapons available. The Russians can frack, too. Their main interest is food and that cold water naval port in Sevastopol. Obama is a real life resurrection of Neville Chamberlain. No one has any respect for him. He's widely acknowledged as the first moslem president. He's in the tank for Iran. Putin is going to act in Russia's best interest. NATO is a toothless old dog. Take a hard look at the quality of their soldiers. They are worthless. A feminised society produces worthless soldiers. Rough and tumble boys who are truly masculine are the only way to end up with decent soldiers. But we all know that feminists are threatened by that. The rabbits shiver and panic at the very thought. You see, the last vestiges of the rambunctious boys are leaving military service, hounded out by feminist policies and PC insanity. NATO can't fight. They've relied on the good old USA to carry their water. Their defense budgets are minimal. They've spent their money on social programs. Compare German soldiers of today to those of 1940. Today's soldiers are testosterone deficient. They simply can't fight like the soldiers of 1940. So, a deficient military, and by that I mean that they can't suffer combat losses and continue operations. No reserves. Uncle Sugar was supposed to be the backstop. There's no political will to accept the kind of combat fatalities that modern weapons produce. Seriously.....Old style Soviet propaganda has already started drumming up support. You see, western society is perverted. Plain fact. And, they are going to protect their children.

Anonymous Salt March 17, 2015 11:30 AM  

No, i don't think people are serious when they root for World War III on an internet forum

Depends on what the motivation is. If it is going to happen, would you rather it be you or your children fighting it? That someone might root for it today over tomorrow puts rooting into an odd usage; doesn't mean it's not applicable.

Anonymous takin' a look March 17, 2015 11:34 AM  

-Salt

That is a very good point. Yet....the age of strictly military warfare is over. Civilians are the primary targets nowadays.

Anonymous Salt March 17, 2015 11:37 AM  

So? How does that make any difference?

Anonymous cheddarman March 17, 2015 11:41 AM  

"He was in switzerland with his hot gymnast girlfriend while she was popping out his kid." - Nate


Nate, I know you are frontin' for Vladimir. He has a whole stable of shall we say "interns." One getting knocked up is not news.

Anonymous Porky March 17, 2015 11:47 AM  

Putin khuilo!

Anonymous LES March 17, 2015 11:49 AM  

When I think of the US and Israel this image comes to mind:

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Blogger Doom March 17, 2015 11:53 AM  

With China poised to burst into Asia, and (if weaksauce) an alliance between the two, with a clown in the oval office, and NATO down to a police force, I suppose it is now or never. So the transformation continues. I don't think Neville surrendered to a possible set of events, so much as abided such. The current Neville is outright encouraging it. Has Zero tried to give Chamberlain the highest civilian or diplomatic medal yet? *grins*

Blogger Nate March 17, 2015 12:00 PM  

"Nate, I know you are frontin' for Vladimir. He has a whole stable of shall we say "interns." One getting knocked up is not news. "

No. I'm not saying its news. I'm saying he was gone for several days at the same time his favorite one was popping out a kid.

It don't take a genius to figure out where he was.

Anonymous takin' a look March 17, 2015 12:08 PM  

-Salt March 17, 2015 11:37 AM

So? How does that make any difference?

You are correct, it doesnt. The only way to prevent War may be a world-wide permanent moratorium on psychopaths and other morally insane types from having power and influence.

Anonymous Steve March 17, 2015 12:09 PM  

Doom - what, realistically, are you afraid the Russkies will do?

Invade America and goosestep down Fifth Avenue?

Fight a brutal anti-partisan campaign against a ragtag group of American high school kids led by Patrick Swayze?

Anonymous paradox March 17, 2015 12:09 PM  

Putin's girlfriend smoking hot... meh... Now the Queen of Jordan is smoking hot.

Anonymous clk March 17, 2015 12:12 PM  

One ping only please...

Blogger Josh March 17, 2015 12:36 PM  

One ping only please...

I believe it's pronounced pleasch

Anonymous Starbuck March 17, 2015 12:36 PM  

Putin's girlfriend smoking hot... meh... Now the Queen of Jordan is smoking hot.

I agree, both are beautiful women... "It's GOOD to be the king!"

Anonymous rienzi March 17, 2015 12:37 PM  

Steve said: Doom - what, realistically, are you afraid the Russkies will do?

Invade America and goosestep down Fifth Avenue?

Fight a brutal anti-partisan campaign against a ragtag group of American high school kids led by Patrick Swayze?


All that seems highly improbable. An entertaining "Could the Japanese have invaded the west coast?" thread in the making.

The real problem has to do with nuclear weapons. While a number of nuclear armed states could do a real number on us, for the time being, only the Russkies have sufficient firepower to permanently put this country on a slab in the morgue.

I always thought the "Powers That Be" had street smarts to go with their wealth and power. I was wrong. We are being ruled by Laurel and Hardy, The Three Stooges, Abbot and Costello. Useless stupid mofos.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 17, 2015 12:42 PM  

Obama is the Manchurian president. He will betray us at the first opportunity.

Anonymous Orville March 17, 2015 12:43 PM  

I feel like I'm back in the 70's again. Somebody needs to release a rap version of "Duck and Cover". My concern is that B.O. is so detached from reality that he will do something really stupid to spark this thing off.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 17, 2015 12:44 PM  

Viva Putin!

Blogger LP 999/Eliza March 17, 2015 1:03 PM  

May Russia prevail for their land, people and their beautiful women against the needless distractions of insane bankers/moronic interventionists.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza March 17, 2015 1:05 PM  

Alpha Male Vlad Putin will not be put to shame, he brought God back to his region, he's raised a family, he has proven himself!

Anonymous cheddarman March 17, 2015 1:19 PM  

"No. I'm not saying its news. I'm saying he was gone for several days at the same time his favorite one was popping out a kid.

It don't take a genius to figure out where he was." - Nate

Nate, you are an Alpha. Chicks send you naked pictures or at least topless pictures of themselves. You know that if Vlad were holding this girl's hand in Switzerland while she pops out his love child, it would make him loose face with Rhodina, the other sub-alphas in waiting and his stable of "interns." I think you are engaging in a bit of Maskirovka for your buddy.

Sincerely

Cheddarman

Blogger Nate March 17, 2015 1:42 PM  

"You know that if Vlad were holding this girl's hand in Switzerland while she pops out his love child, it would make him loose face with Rhodina, the other sub-alphas in waiting and his stable of "interns." "

Alphas don't lose face. Alphas don't do things because things are cool. Things become cool because Alphas do them.

Blogger Josh March 17, 2015 1:54 PM  

You know that if Vlad were holding this girl's hand in Switzerland while she pops out his love child, it would make him loose face with Rhodina, the other sub-alphas in waiting and his stable of "interns."

Wait...since when does knocking up a hot chick make an alpha male less desirable amongst hot chicks?

Anonymous trk March 17, 2015 2:14 PM  

One ping. One ping only

Anonymous Donn March 17, 2015 2:23 PM  

It'll be interesting to see if we respond or act like we don't notice their actions. Was this our plan all along or do we believe they'll never hit the tripwire no matter what?

Anonymous cheddarman March 17, 2015 2:34 PM  

"Alphas don't lose face. Alphas don't do things because things are cool. Things become cool because Alphas do them." - Nate

Thanks Nate!

Note to self about the hierarchy: "alphas don't participate in reality, they define their reality"

Blogger JDC March 17, 2015 3:35 PM  

Can your girlfriend do THIS?

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 17, 2015 4:42 PM  

I wonder how long it will take the Gay refugees from Russia to realize they had it better in a nation willing to name moslems as savages, and lacked the diversity of crime?

Anonymous Poli_Mis March 17, 2015 4:54 PM  

@reinzi said: "The real problem has to do with nuclear weapons. While a number of nuclear armed states could do a real number on us, for the time being, only the Russkies have sufficient firepower to permanently put this country on a slab in the morgue."

Wouldn't it only take a couple of well placed EMPs and we ARE on a slab in the morgue?

Blogger Nate March 17, 2015 5:11 PM  

"Note to self about the hierarchy: "alphas don't participate in reality, they define their reality""

Think about it.

Drinking brandy seems less gay when you realize that Winston Churchill did it all the time.

Golf seems less gay when you realize Micheal Jordan loves it.

Blogger Nate March 17, 2015 5:27 PM  

'Wouldn't it only take a couple of well placed EMPs and we ARE on a slab in the morgue?"

not even close.

EMPs are old news. Everything that is critical was hardened 50 years ago. Everything that even remotely necessary was hardened 20 years ago. And now? Hell now I doubt an strategic scale EMP would shut down large city for more than a few days.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 17, 2015 5:38 PM  

"Wouldn't it only take a couple of well placed EMPs and we ARE on a slab in the morgue?"

Actually a single high altitude nuke where the 3 US power grids meet could lead to 80%+ of the US population dying off. As well as a strong CME (solar storm) that would affect the entire world. The US provides food for a lot of the world so it going down would hurt civilization, & 3rdworld aid. The die verse cities would be hit worse.

The 20% left would be self sufficient with high future orientation. You can check out http://survivalblog.com/ for articles about EMP survival. The big problems are all the step up/down transformers and restarting power stations without power. The US only has enough reserve grain for 1/2 a loaf of bread for every one in America. Freeze dried food, water filters and a couple of 5 gallon pails of rice/beans will let you survive if you can avoid the golden horde. Getting 1 or 2 of the 8 man tent versions of https://www.uvpaqlite.com/ will go a long way towards lighting as effectively permanent night lights. Guns and camping supplies as you see fit.

"Golf seems less gay when you realize Micheal Jordan loves it."

This is awkward.

"Everything that is critical was hardened 50 years ago."
EMP Article from 2010 http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/emp-threat-within-one-year-9-out-of-10-americans-would-be-dead_05042010

A guy with a rifle can take down a cities power. Shoot towards the bottom so coolant leaks expedite matters.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/05/272015606/sniper-attack-on-calif-power-station-raises-terrorism-fears

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 17, 2015 5:46 PM  

"Everything that is critical was hardened 50 years ago."

We are just recently starting to get back up systems to cool the spent nuk fuel stored near reactors so that if the 3 grids go down and the water evaporates the entire world doesn't take a radioactive bath when its no longer cooled.
http://www.decodedscience.com/after-an-emp-event-can-a-nuclear-plant-shutdown-safely/10030/2
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/07/31/america-is-facing-the-extinction-level-event-of-124-simultaneous-fukushima-meltdowns/

Anonymous patrick kelly March 17, 2015 5:46 PM  

The EMP scaremongers are full of shit...IMAO.....they should stick with gardening or whiskey stil how-to articles.....they are just repeating crap repeating by other crap repeaters who have now real knowledge about what they repeat.......bkak !!........

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 17, 2015 6:03 PM  

I will grant that we wont know the EMP/CME preparedness until we know by way of an EMP or Carrington event with preparations done not by the lowest bidder but by Affirmative Action like the Obama Care website, Harrisburg's incinerator, & Atlanta's public transportation $10,000 each urine detectors http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/atlanta-installing-urine-detectors-train-station-elevators/story?id=21348010

Even the NPR was willing to report on the ability of a guy with a rifle to take down a large transformer station. Someone that whipped up some tannerite could take out a high tension power line tower leading into a city. It would be impossible to guard all the power poles.

Anonymous Putin...It's Not For Breakfast Anymore March 17, 2015 6:23 PM  

“You gotta admit, Putin does put his money where his mouth is. He has been trying to get women to have more babies in Russia. To boost their population.”

[Applause] Thanks, Mr. Putin, for attending to Russian Orthodox services, yet violating its tenets by having premarital sex and not marrying his girlfriend. But, hey, he is contributing to the population upswing in Russia. Ain’t civilization grand?


“If this gets ugly all of Europe is the front.”



Good. I mean, that’s what we all want, right? World War III. The end of civilization. A Christian reboot, correct?


“No, i don't think people are serious when they root for World War III on an internet forum.”

Why not? Civilization is under assault. I say bring it on.


“Putin is going to act in Russia's best interest.”

I know I have been waiting with bated breath for him to take out Ukraine. Completely. Send in tens of thousands of Russians troops, not this pussy footing around, So, is Putin pulling the trigger, or merely teasing us?


“My concern is that B.O. is so detached from reality that he will do something really stupid to spark this thing off.”

L’chaim, ching, ching, cheers. Here is hoping to stupidity leads to World War III!

OpenID simplytimothy March 17, 2015 7:10 PM  

Why did Putin want to discuss missile control with Obama?

Anonymous takin' a look March 17, 2015 7:47 PM  

-BigGaySteve March 17, 2015 4:42 PM

I wonder how long it will take the Gay refugees from Russia to realize they had it better in a nation willing to name moslems as savages, and lacked the diversity of crime?

Gay refugees from Russia should be the opening act for gay niggers from space.

Anyways, didn't that whole bru-ha-ha die down when it was realized almost all the brutality vids were faked and it was a natural reaction on the part of the Ruskies to subversive western SJW/Jew-led pedophile peddling? Even the native-born queer activists eventually figured it out or "had it figured out for them" and went silent.

Blogger Doom March 17, 2015 8:03 PM  

Steve,

Just to let you know, I won't be responding. I can't be sure, but I suspect you are a woman. Or an old, very weak, always weak, man. Or a part of the corruption. In secular terms, perhaps you are all three. In any event, you argue like a woman, and I don't debate with such. I ask for a sandwich and pie from those types, unless they are male, then I just ignore them. *click*

Anonymous Robert March 17, 2015 8:25 PM  

I just skimmed this, but I'm not sure if I understand the argument here between Steve and Doom. Could someone recap it?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 17, 2015 8:52 PM  

LP 999/Eliza: "May Russia prevail for their land, people and their beautiful women against the needless distractions of insane bankers/moronic interventionists."

Yes.

LP 999/Eliza: "Alpha Male Vlad Putin will not be put to shame, he brought God back to his region, he's raised a family, he has proven himself!"

And yes.

There's no evidence he's cheating. He's just living the high life. It's good to be (not quite) Tsar!

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 17, 2015 8:57 PM  

Robert: "I just skimmed this, but I'm not sure if I understand the argument here between Steve and Doom. Could someone recap it?"

As far as I can tell, Doom thinks Muscovy is a deadly threat and failure to take the fight to the bear is weakness if not treachery, while Steve and I think a country with an economy the size of Italy's and a reactive rather than pro-active foreign policy is no threat, and the right attitude is "go back to sleep".

Blogger Nate March 17, 2015 9:12 PM  

"A guy with a rifle can take down a cities power. Shoot towards the bottom so coolant leaks expedite matters."

Mate.. there is a high level of probability that the authors of that article got that idea from me. We've been discussing that very thing and other much more interesting options on this blog since 2000.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 17, 2015 9:37 PM  

The thing about Putin is: he's not a neocon.

The neocons want a highly aggressive foreign policy that serves Israel's interest, and apart from that they favor policies like open borders that will lead to the destruction of the American nation.

Putin is trying for a recovery of national power with ideas like a new (old) national ideology of Russian patriotism and Orthodox Christianity, a restoration of military efficiency, and a return to sustainable levels of fertility.

In foreign policy his goals are modest, because a nation with a weak economy, collapsing fertility and a shaky ideology might as well pass on conquering things which would only be lost back anyway, as underlying national strength continued to decline.

Also, he's not a space lizard sending off some other country's kids to die at who cares what cost to that country's economy; these would be Russian kids and Russia's bills.

Putin is cold and patient, not aggressive and crazy. A recovery will take as long as it takes.

Meantime he might as well amuse himself. And he does.

The more he shows his character, the more people of his own nation think he's their kind of guy. This is a natural advantage the rulers of America do not have. And so roughly four out of five Russians like Putin, while the American political class stinks like a dead old skunk.

I have a hard time seeing what people find so mysterious and threatening about this.

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