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Monday, March 09, 2015

Sexism 6x worse than racism

No doubt this disparity in criminal sentencing will be of DEEP concern to our friendly neighborhood SJWs:
After controlling for the arrest offense, criminal history, and other prior characteristics, “men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do,” and “[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.” This gender gap is about six times as large as the racial disparity that Prof. Starr found in another recent paper.
It seems to me that a smart criminal should have the good sense to reduce his risk ratio by finding a woman to be his fall gal.

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61 Comments:

Anonymous Soga March 09, 2015 8:54 AM  

But Vox, men need hugs in prison more than women do!

... even if it is a hug from behind.

/SJWlogic

Blogger Guitar Man March 09, 2015 9:09 AM  

Why not just declare yourself a woman before the trial?

Anonymous Musashi March 09, 2015 9:36 AM  

The only "fair" solution is to aggressively lobby for women's sentences be made equal to men's sentences for the same offense. This would necessitate increasing the punishment levied on females of course.

The all-important slogan would be : "Equal time for equal crime"

Anonymous kalel666 March 09, 2015 9:40 AM  

Easy, just tell the judge you identify as a woman. Literal get out of jail card, apparently.

Anonymous Ras ak Ghul March 09, 2015 9:43 AM  

The uglier the woman the worse the sentence, so declaring yourself a woman won't help.

And a fall gal won't help either if she turns on you, they'll believe her over you and punish you for taking advantage of her...

Anonymous Earl March 09, 2015 9:49 AM  

Female privilege is hard to see when you are female.

Blogger Unknown Resident March 09, 2015 9:50 AM  

The Jodi Arias case shook my life-long pro stance to the core. I am now leaning anti, largely us to this disparate sentencing.

Blogger rumpole5 March 09, 2015 10:06 AM  

Old news. The extreme disparity of criminal sentences between men and women was highlighted in a chapter of The Myth Of Male Power: Why Men AreThe Disposable Sex, published in 1993.

Anonymous Heh March 09, 2015 10:09 AM  

Why not just declare yourself a woman before the trial?

And the Southern Judge drawls,

"Don't you worry, boy, you are definitely gonna be a woman once you get to the state penitentiary".

Anonymous p-dawg March 09, 2015 10:12 AM  

There's also a major discrepancy in workplace deaths between men and women. Apparently, men much more frequently work the most dangerous jobs. Let's get on that employment disparity, stat.

Anonymous Stilicho March 09, 2015 10:21 AM  


The all-important slogan would be : "Equal time for equal crime"


Brilliant! That's right up there with "Equal work for equal pay".

Blogger Nate March 09, 2015 10:26 AM  

Yep. Attractiveness helps a man in sentencing... and how he's groomed absolutely affects how the police treat him when he's arrested.

For example a clean shaven man in a suit is treated very differently during arrests than a scruffy man in jeans and a tshirt.

But actractive women are never going to get the same sentences that men get. Look at the death penalty. No way in hell a chick that's a 6 or over is getting the death penalty.

Anonymous Will Best March 09, 2015 10:30 AM  

My favorite was the graphic instapundit linked a few weeks back showing the prison sentences of the female rapers. Attractive women got less than 12 months, bangable women got a couple years, and the fugglies end up with 5+

Blogger bob k. mando March 09, 2015 10:30 AM  

Vox
It seems to me that a smart criminal should have the good sense to reduce his risk ratio by finding a woman to be his fall gal.



it seems to me that a smart criminal should have the good sense to get a sex change.

or at least identify as Trans.

Anonymous Will Best March 09, 2015 10:32 AM  

For example a clean shaven man in a suit is treated very differently during arrests than a scruffy man in jeans and a tshirt.

I tend to think this is because well put together men look like they can afford somebody other than a public defender. And the last thing they need is a 1983 action after an acquittal on some technicality.

Anonymous Richard Camellion March 09, 2015 10:39 AM  

I willing to work out a trade with the pantywearers.

They can keep their lighter prison sentences in exchange for social security income reform.
Males have suffered massive sexual discrimination in that we've put gigantically more into the system and receive hugely less due to our naturally shorter lives. Therefore, men should be allowed to retire earlier with the same benefits.

Then there's the multi-trillion dollar issue of reparations.

Blogger Guitar Man March 09, 2015 10:43 AM  

To Nate's point, I wonder how the Aaron Hernandez trial is going to go.

Blogger LysanderSpooner March 09, 2015 10:44 AM  

EEKQWALITEEEEE IN FEMINIST 'MERICA:

1. Women are treated better in all aspects of the legal system. For instance, women receive lighter sentences and a higher chance of acquittal, simply for being women. A recent 2012 study found: "men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted." This gender gap is about six times as large as the racial disparity
2. Men are significantly more likely to be the victims of violent crime (of which rape is included) than women - page 16.
3. Despite domestic violence being equally committed by women, for the most part only male perpetrators are arrested:
4. The feminist definition of domestic violence has skewed arrest and prosecution philosophies, resulting in having mostly male batterers criminally pursued, and female batterers left alone.
5. It is legal to circumcise male babies against their will. In some places, laws have been passed which forbid any attempts to make male circumcision illegal. Meanwhile, female circumcision is completely illegal, even though some types of female circumcision are equivalent in harm to male circumcision, and other types (a symbolic prick to draw blood) are non-harmful.
6. Men comprise over 90% of workplace deaths page 8.
7. Men commit suicide at over triple the rate that women do.
8. The vast majority of prisoners are men.
9. Men are doing worse in all aspects of the educational system, from kindergarten to university.
10. Men who are falsely accused of rape can have their names published and their lives ruined even if they are not convicted or charged - their accuser is protected and is likely to face no punishment, or a light one.
11. Reproductive rights. Men have none. Simply read this story.
12. Parental rights. Men have virtually none. See below.
A woman can name any man she likes as the father, he gets a letter in the mail, if he does not prove he isn't the father within 30 days—(suppose the letter gets lost by the USPS?)—he is now the father and must pay. He cannot contest it.
A boy who is the victim of statutory rape must pay child support to his rapist.
A man who is raped while unconscious must likewise pay child support.
A man who fathers a child and wishes to take custody may have his child adopted out against his will and essentially kidnapped
13. The majority of homeless are men.
14. Despite men's need being arguably greater than women, government spending to help women is 10 to 100 times greater than that to help men. That figure is unrelated to medical spending.
In 2009/2010 it was $1,516,460 toward men and $57,562,373 toward women. In 2010/2011 it was $3,740,800 toward men and $48,331,443 toward women. In 2008/2009 the province dedicated $561,360 toward men's resources and $98,983,236 toward women's resources. (figures are for British Columbia, Canada, but representative of Western society).
15. Female-owned businesses get free government money for literally no reason other than being a woman (i.e. all other factors are equal, same size of business, same income, etc. etc. but the owner's gender is different = money or no money.
16. On some airlines, men were banned from sitting next to kids on airplanes, simply because they were men. Why? Because men are pedophiles, obviously. This ban remains on some airlines, such as Air New Zealand.
17. Under a recent federal directive, men are convicted of rape in university campuses if the investigating board finds that the chances they committed the rape are at 50.00001% or greater.
18. The DOE policy in practice: Caleb Warner was accused of rape and expelled from the University of North Dakota, then his accuser was charged with filing a false report. He remains expelled as of June 2011.
19. Selective service. Enough said.

Blogger Guitar Man March 09, 2015 10:46 AM  

Anti-male circumcision crowd...

Anonymous Joel P. March 09, 2015 10:48 AM  

You have a link to that Instapundit graphic, Will?

Blogger Nate March 09, 2015 10:54 AM  

Do ya feel better now Spooner?

Blogger Stephen Ward March 09, 2015 11:00 AM  

here's the money quote from the article
"Prof. Starr emphasized that it is not possible to "prove" gender discrimination with data like hers, because it is always possible that two seemingly similar cases could differ in ways not captured by the data."

but isn't that exactly how racism is and was proved all along? by disparity in outcomes?

Blogger LysanderSpooner March 09, 2015 11:08 AM  

Yes Nate, now that my circumcision has fully healed ;)

Actually, just copied and pasted it. The circumcision issue is debatable, less disease(STDs), infections with circumcision, so I'm not convinced.

The topic was incarceration rates for men vs. women, I believe Vox was being factitious regarding the SJW's concern of the data.

My post points out other areas men get the 'shaft' in the matriarchal society we find ourselves in. Yet, all we ever hear about is the whining of the wimminz for more rights, I mean goodies. The wimmin wonder why marriage rates are down 50% and they can't find a man to "Man UP".....lol

Blogger Jassi March 09, 2015 11:11 AM  

"It seems to me that a smart criminal should have the good sense to reduce his risk ratio by finding a woman to be his fall gal."

Black people figured this out decades ago.

Anonymous Brett March 09, 2015 11:16 AM  

Proof that racism is alive and well:


http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/09/us/oklahoma-fraternity-chant/

Blogger Guitar Man March 09, 2015 11:21 AM  

Spooner, you can lose credibility, or rather, your sources lose credibility when including the anti-circumcision nonsense.

Blogger Giraffe March 09, 2015 11:25 AM  

It seems to me that a smart criminal should have the good sense to reduce his risk ratio by finding a woman to be his fall gal.

So she can wave at you when she drives by the prison.

Blogger Josh March 09, 2015 11:27 AM  

Actually, just copied and pasted it.

No shit

Blogger Nate March 09, 2015 11:30 AM  

"Actually, just copied and pasted it."

yeah. we got that.

Anonymous MK March 09, 2015 11:30 AM  

What happens if this does not avoid jail for you?

Blogger Vox March 09, 2015 11:34 AM  

No way in hell a chick that's a 6 or over is getting the death penalty.

Unless she gets an ugly female judge. Then she's getting skinned alive.

Anonymous Heh March 09, 2015 11:45 AM  

"So she can wave at you when she drives by the prison."

She will come in to get it on with her new badboy alpha boyfriend.

Blogger bob k. mando March 09, 2015 11:47 AM  

google / climate troothiness OT, it seems that the Greens REALLY do not like to have the tables turned:
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/03/report-officials-at-florida-environment-office-told-not-to-say-climate-change/

Blogger LysanderSpooner March 09, 2015 11:47 AM  

Thanks for the Chit ;) ;)

Blogger bob k. mando March 09, 2015 11:47 AM  

Vox March 09, 2015 11:34 AM
Unless she gets an ugly female judge. Then she's getting skinned alive.


jury has to convict before the judge can sentence.

Anonymous everybody is getting raped out there March 09, 2015 11:47 AM  

Even this is blamed on patriarchy, because you see it sees women as dainty little flowers and men as more moral creatures. Apparently this explanation is also failed by patriarchy when it's rape and the victim is blame. It's patriarchy all the way up and all the way down, comrades!

Anonymous Anubis March 09, 2015 11:54 AM  

There's also a major discrepancy in workplace deaths between men and women. Apparently, men much more frequently work the most dangerous jobs. Let's get on that employment disparity, stat.

The most telling was no female first responders killed or injured on 9-11-01, despite being a statistically significant portion of workers. NYC is to PC to explain why but there is plenty of documentation of women fleeing their posts during Katrina in New Orleans. Unless they where all MsGyvers that created force field generators out of vibrators.

I would like to point out that Steve Sailor did find a few towns where the % Black population was lower than %black arrestees. They happened to be prison towns, with prisoners counting as residents that couldn't be arrested.

Blogger Nate March 09, 2015 11:57 AM  

"Unless she gets an ugly female judge. Then she's getting skinned alive."

no question. no one is as vindictive as an ugly woman.

Anonymous Daniel March 09, 2015 12:00 PM  

Yes Nate, now that my circumcision has fully healed ;)

Actually, just copied and pasted it.


I don't think that is quite how a circumcision is performed. Then again, maybe there's something about transforeskinism that I'm not up-to-date on.

As to the topic, I don't know if sexism is worse than racism, because with the racism, you can suffer criminal trespass, mob shaming, and vandalism with media approval... although I hope that's not duct tape on the noisy silent crowd, because that's going to leave a mark when it comes off.

I do like "Equal time for equal crime." Has a nice ring to it.

Blogger dw March 09, 2015 12:36 PM  

"jury has to convict before the judge can sentence."

Multiple ugly women sentencing one pretty woman, then. "At last, we will have our revenge!"

Anonymous Roundtine March 09, 2015 12:49 PM  

Put white women in jail for very long sentences to balance everything out.

Blogger LysanderSpooner March 09, 2015 1:05 PM  

@Anubis: "MsGyvers"

Is nothing sacred anymore, the new McGyver is going to a an Indian Woman....Jeeeeshh

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=new+macgyver+a+woman&spell=1

Blogger Bradly Hogland March 09, 2015 1:17 PM  

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Blogger Owen March 09, 2015 1:17 PM  

The issue is we over-incarcerate men, moreso than women getting lighter sentences.

I'm not disputing women get lighter sentences. I was a data analyst for a large corrections organization for ten years. We all knew they did.

However, incarceration makes people more criminal. Heck, even "non-invasive" programming (civic courses, literacy programs, etc.) actually increase the recidivism of low to medium risk inmates. It's insane. It's counter-intuitive. The data showed it, over and over. The more low risk inmates interacted with other inmates (even with solid classification techniques to segregate low, medium, and high risk inmates), the worse it got.

Anonymous Ras al Ghul March 09, 2015 1:24 PM  

The other thing about this that bears mentioning is that these are federal sentences.

Federal sentences have a guideline range for a sentence that is presumed to be reasonable.

Its basically a chart with criminal history levels on one side (level 1 for no criminal or minor criminal history to level 5 for a career criminal)

And a point range on the other side for the nature of the offense. The base offense level is determined by congress and there are factors that raise or lower the level, all of which would be something this study should consider when looking at the sentences and seeing the differences. Minor role is an adjustment, taking responsibility and cooperating is an adjustment, there are hundreds of possible adjustments.

And this all gets a sentencing range that's around six months in variance (So for example a person could have a sentence range of12-18 months incarceration. SO this disparity is even more glaring

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 March 09, 2015 1:31 PM  

Multiple ugly women sentencing one pretty woman, then. "At last, we will have our revenge!"

Defense attorneys are usually smart enough to limit how many women, ugly or not, sit on a jury in judgement against a female defendant. Too many women empaneled and it doesn't matter what the facts of the case are, bitch is gonna hang.

Blogger tweell March 09, 2015 2:00 PM  

And the solution for this according to feminists? Remove the minimal accountabiliby that currently exists!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/06/we-should-stop-putting-women-in-jail-for-anything/

Anonymous Heh March 09, 2015 2:02 PM  

Put white women in jail for very long sentences to balance everything out.

And put them in with the black men, as reparations for their unfair sentencing.

Blogger ajw308 March 09, 2015 2:33 PM  

@Owen, seems you have a math intensive job. How do you feel about your boss? Do you have a younger brother who plays in a band?

Blogger Owen March 09, 2015 2:46 PM  

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Blogger Owen March 09, 2015 2:48 PM  

Nope, I still don't get the reference(s).

Blogger SirHamster March 09, 2015 3:23 PM  

Defense attorneys are usually smart enough to limit how many women, ugly or not, sit on a jury in judgement against a female defendant. Too many women empaneled and it doesn't matter what the facts of the case are, bitch is gonna hang.

But Jury of Peers!

Wouldn't that be interesting if that were the way things were done - women would get all-women juries, and it would end up being the prosecutor's choice whether she stands trial and gets hanged, or avoids trial (if the PR/details of the case allows it).

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 09, 2015 3:25 PM  

I was talking to a lawyer friend who specializes in gun case law for a blog post I wrote. I asked him about a few scenarios for justifiable deadly force.

When it came to men the answers were always kind of sketchy. A lot depended on scene on critical response incident. Does CSI say your version of events is accurate? Does the DA think your gun looks too scary? That kind of thing.

Then I posed one woman specific scenario and he raised a hand and said, "that one is easy. Deadly force is always justified if you are woman."

Blogger ajw308 March 09, 2015 4:04 PM  

@Owen, it's a MHI reference.

Blogger IM2L844 March 09, 2015 4:49 PM  

This explains all those instances of getting pulled over for Driving While Male. Cops hate men.

Blogger dw March 09, 2015 4:53 PM  

"Too many women empaneled and it doesn't matter what the facts of the case are, bitch is gonna hang."

There was a funny story-apparently true-that lawyers and judges were worried allowing women to serve on juries would mean guilty women never get convicted. They were shocked to find that the opposite took place. Nobody hates women like other women, after all.

Anonymous lost March 09, 2015 4:57 PM  

I would say Vox is paranoid of nothing and that all of these posts just seem so ignorantly sexist.

But, then I had a son (2 years old) and more and more I'm noticing these pro-women/shame-men agendas: those #noMore ads during football games, LeanIn articles popping up everywhere, campaigns to ban bossy, women whining (and being thoughtfully considered) about the patriarchy in video games, saying things like "the patriarchy", .... and this isn't even the tip of the iceberg.

Was it always like this? Or is it getting worse as the months go by?
Am I just noticing this more since my wife and I had a son?

I think myself a pretty open-minded fella.... but this stuff is getting crazy.


More and more I'm talking to my wife about homeschooling our son because I don't want him in that toxic environment called public schooling.
I can't even believe I'm saying this stuff.

What the hell happened?
Why are the NFL and the NBA kowtowing to these silly demands by a small group of feminists. How does that even happen?

Anyway. Vox, I don't think you're as nutty as I used to assume.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 09, 2015 5:45 PM  

Cataline Sergius "that one is easy. Deadly force is always justified if you are woman."

Any chance you could ask your lawyer friend about a 6'+ gay ex-military guy? Would it be a good idea to get a paint finish of pink or rainbow on the grip?
/JK I have the silver plan of self defense insurance from https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/uscca-membership/index.asp?ID=3steps&SID=Homepage&kmi= and now live in a castle law state.

Anonymous EH March 09, 2015 6:43 PM  

Here are more direct links to the papers:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377&download=yes
Racial Disparity in Federal Criminal Charging and Its Sentencing Consequences
Rehavi & Starr / May 7, 2012 /U of Michigan Law & Econ, Empirical Legal Studies Center Paper No. 12-002

Abstract:
Using rich data linking federal cases from arrest through sentencing, we assess the contribution of prosecutors' initial charging decisions to large observed black-white disparities in sentence length. Pre-charge characteristics, including arrest offense and criminal history, can explain about 80% of these disparities, but substantial gaps remain across the distribution. On average, blacks receive almost 10% longer sentences than comparable whites arrested for the same crimes. At least half this gap can be explained by initial charging choices, particularly the filing of charges carrying mandatory minimum sentences. Prosecutors are, ceteris paribus, almost twice as likely to file such charges against blacks.

***

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002
Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases
Starr / August 29, 2012 / University of Michigan Law and Economics Research Paper, No. 12-018

Abstract:
This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences. Most studies control for endogenous severity measures that result from these earlier discretionary processes and use samples that have been winnowed by them. I avoid these problems by using a linked dataset tracing cases from arrest through sentencing. Using decomposition methods, I show that most sentence disparity arises from decisions at the earlier stages, and use the rich data to investigate causal theories for these gender gaps.

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Here is another paper which compares many different potential categories of sentencing bias:
(Cited just a few days ago in a comment on another site.)

http://people.terry.uga.edu/mustard/sentencing.pdf
“RACIAL, ETHNIC, AND GENDER DISPARITIES IN SENTENCING: EVIDENCE FROM THE U.S. FEDERAL COURTS”
Mustard / Journal of Law and Economics, April 2001

Abstract: This paper examines 77,236 federal offenders sentenced under the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 and concludes the following. First, after controlling for extensive crimino- logical, demographic, and socioeconomic variables, I found that blacks, males, and of- fenders with low levels of education and income receive substantially longer sentences. Second, disparities are primarily generated by departures from the guidelines, rather than differential sentencing within the guidelines. Departures produce about 55 percent of the black-white difference and 70 percent of the male-female difference. Third, although black-white disparities occur across offenses, the largest differences are for drug trafficking. The Hispanic-white disparity is generated primarily by those convicted of drug trafficking and firearm possession/trafficking. Last, blacks and males are also less likely to get no prison term when that option is available; less likely to receive downward departures; and more likely to receive upward adjustments and, conditioned on having a downward departure, receive smaller reductions than whites and females.”

Blogger James Jones March 10, 2015 3:58 AM  


So next time I want to murder someone, I'm going to dress up as a woman. If you see me coming your way with high heels and lipstick, you know what's going down.

Blogger Owen March 10, 2015 8:41 AM  

James Jones is bringing sexy back!

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