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Thursday, March 19, 2015

SJW strategy and Communist strategy

In reading "LEARNING FROM VIETNAM: THE PATTERNS OF LIBERATION MOVEMENTS" by Doan Van Toai and David Chanoff, I couldn't help but notice that the pattern of SJW entryism in television, SF/F, and games appears to be rather similar to the successful Communist strategy in Vietnam
First among the lessons that Viet Nam teaches concerns the composition of liberation-war guerrilla movements.... After Dien Bien Phu (1954), non-Communist revolutionaries were still employed in the government to continue attracting popular support, even while all anti-Communist factions were being eliminated. It was only when Ho Chi Minh had sufficiently consolidated power that the turn of the nationalists and non-Party militants came. Exactly the same tactic was re-employed in the 1960s when the National Liberation Front was founded to rally all those who sympathized in any way with Communist goals....

There are two points to be made here, both obvious but often overlooked. One is that Communist “liberation war” strategy calls for the creation of guerrilla fronts representing many shades of political feeling, within which the Communists themselves are likely to be a minority. Antagonists are thus faced with an enemy which attracts diversified support and whose leadership is difficult to identify.

The foreign propaganda effect alone of such an organization is more than worth the minor risk to the Communist nucleus that it will be outmaneuvered by some temporarily allied faction. Foreign journalists, for example, can be counted on to make a cogent case for the moderate, the liberal, and the nationalist struggle for a homeland rather than for the Communist flavor of the guerrilla movement. They will note that apparently leading figures are intellectuals or religious leaders whose standpoints may be distinctly non-Communist. And over time their reportage will convey to their democratically and pluralistically inclined readers the impression of a movement that is itself “pluralistic,” and to that extent representative and even democratic....

There is also no doubt (and this is the second point) that the non-Communist elements in the guerrilla front will be destroyed as soon as feasible. Ton Due Thang, president of North Viet Nam’s Fatherland Front, succinctly characterized Communist strategy in this regard: “Rally all forces that can be rallied, neutralize all forces that can be neutralized, eliminate all forces that can be eliminated.”

Ton was referring here to the standard Communist device of shifting coalitions in order to make use of opposition forces and eventually eliminate them piecemeal. For example, to deal with three enemies, alliances are formed with two while the primary enemy is attacked. The process is then repeated until Communist power stands unopposed.
We're already seeing the hard core SJWs turn on their less-committed allies. This also demonstrates the absolute importance of driving home to the moderates that they need to resist their urge to train their guns on their own side rather than the opposition. Moderates are always trying to curry favor with the opposition by criticizing their own "extremists", but this is not only futile, it actually plays into the enemy's strategy of shifting coalitions.

Notice in particular the importance that an ignorant media and controlling the public narrative plays in both strategies.

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176 Comments:

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 19, 2015 6:56 AM  

Politics goes by the Rule of Threes, with two sides and a neutral to sway over. See where rhetoric wins, where disqualification is almost necessary.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 19, 2015 7:00 AM  

SJW are Cultural Communists. And what is Communism? It is a Jewish ideology. The coalition is of blacks, gays, feminists, liberals and atheists with the Jewish/Masonic elite at the top. The blacks serve as a sort of "shock troops" that foment the unrest and then the call for more anti-racism.

This whole scheme was hatched in the Renaissance.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother March 19, 2015 7:01 AM  

Vox,

I'm glad to see you addressing the source of SJW madness. People think Communism is gone, and that the SJW's just magically and randomly appeared. They're wrong.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 19, 2015 7:08 AM  

Frankly speaking conservatives especially their intellectuals make these people out to be invincible and that is a load of shit, these people frankly speaking are generally moronic followers. The Left is incredibly top down so much so that if someone told me that about a dozen people controlled the script for the Left I would tend to believe it.

That means in my estimation that the cults of the left can be short circuited quite easily and that dissension could easily be spread amongst the cults. These SJWs are fairies compared to the colored orcs who have no respect for their silly nonsense.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 19, 2015 7:13 AM  

Don't forget entryism, as you call it, (subversion, is the word) occurred also in the Christian churches. Every Protestant and Catholic/Orthodox Church is SJW.

I have a saying, "Modern Roman Catholicism is nothing more than Marxism with a cross". Christianity has been supplanted by Cultural Marxism. Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, Catholics, are SJW--their anti-racism rants are out of this world.

We live in a Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevist culture and civilization. Christianity has been supplanted with Cultural Marxism and the God of Equality.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 19, 2015 7:16 AM  

entryism is a really useful word. Things always start out sounding reasonable and sweet. Gay rights rapidly morphed into "you're a hate speech bigot discriminatory xenophobe homophobe for not baking cakes for a gay wedding and now you're going to be sued into bankruptcy the store closed and house forfeited.

The speed of the real "outing" was amazingly swift. [human rights/ laodicea masks a death cult]

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 19, 2015 7:19 AM  

or multiculturalism means there are now suburbs you aren't welcome because you don't "belong" in the country you were born in. It's lightning fast. It happened.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 19, 2015 7:39 AM  

the value of the blog is that it helps you identify the beast, the trojan, the breach.

Vox, I'll put it to you in the history of the world one of the most destructive forces ever has been the 'separation of church and state' meme. It's simply untrue. It was never "dominian theology" for Christians to want a home for themselves/ or a nation for themselves.

Given how America was settled how it now is is truly head shakingly bizarre.

Gaming should belong to the people with the passion. Not political hero wannabes.

Blogger sillerjf March 19, 2015 7:52 AM  

ergo the expression "useful idiots"

Anonymous Heaviside March 19, 2015 7:55 AM  

One thing that must be understood about the hardcore Marxist-Leninists is that they fucking despise liberals and moderate leftists more than anyone else, way more than fascists and conservatives do. Lenin said that he would rather see the Czar reign another millennium than let the Mensheviks win. It's always the fluffy liberals who are the first to be lined up and shot come the revolution, because the Far Left has to be able to depict all opposition as fascists and saboteurs which cannot be done so long as a moderate Left is still granted legitimacy. I agree with a lot of Marxist-Leninist ideas and I read this blog because I absolutely cannot stand liberals. They should be shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY3JYxG0xqA

Blogger David March 19, 2015 8:15 AM  

People without firm principles are easily manipulated.

That this is the majority of people explains why it is the human condition to endlessly repeat the errors of the past. To be ignorant of the past (and hold no principle inviolable) is to remain a perpetual child, forever surprised by the bad things that follow your latest fad.

Blogger Salt March 19, 2015 8:17 AM  

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Doesn't matter which enemy is which, for when you're done with one it's time for the other.

Blogger David March 19, 2015 8:19 AM  

As Mises stated, there is no Third Way (collectivism in moderation.) All "partial" collectivisms slide inexorably toward full totalitarian collectivisms for the same reason failure never falsifies Keynesian economics or Marxism. Failure only signifies that the model in question just isn't being pursued with adequate zeal.

Need more zeal? Que the (bloodthirsty) zealots.

Anonymous quest March 19, 2015 8:21 AM  

"Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."

—Theodore Dalrymple, “Our Culture, What’s Left Of It”

Blogger David March 19, 2015 8:24 AM  

As a reminder, such attempts to zealously apply "the model" have resulted in Mankind's greatest democides, where tens of millions of men, women and children were slaughtered (usually starved to death) often by their countrymen.

Those who join such Epic Adventures are surely doing Satan's work. Remember that when you have the impulse to join that march.

Blogger David March 19, 2015 8:28 AM  

PhillipGeorge, is not the separated state simply a substitute religion? Surely it is so once the Post-millennial Christian Pietists birthed the Progressive Era and its full scale attempt to implement the Gnostic Heresy.

Blogger njartist March 19, 2015 8:30 AM  

Those who recognize the pattern of subversion are usually destroyed or excoriated by those who refuse to see: John Birch Society was driven out of the conservative movement and denied credibility by Wm. F. Buckley and National Review: all because they recognized the pattern of the progressive elites early.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 8:37 AM  

and... it took a whole 13 minutes for someone to say "Jews are bad. mmmkay?"

Blogger BCM March 19, 2015 8:39 AM  

Related, here's an account of a journey into- and out of SJW-dom. Everything Vox has said about how miserable SJWs actually are is confirmed here: http://www.mcgilldaily.com/2014/11/everything-problematic/.

There is a lot of crazy here, but still worth the read to see inside their brains.

Blogger bob k. mando March 19, 2015 9:05 AM  

Nate March 19, 2015 8:37 AM
and... it took a whole 13 minutes for someone to say "Jews are bad. mmmkay?"


let's be fair. that was Wheeler.

if he didn't, we'd all be kind of disappoint.

i'm actually somewhat shocked that he's throwing both the Catholics and Orthodox under the bus as well.



Vox
Notice in particular the importance that an ignorant media and controlling the public narrative plays in both strategies.


can i say, "Frankfurt School" now? or is that too Juicy?

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 9:09 AM  

and... it took a whole 13 minutes for someone to say "Jews are bad. mmmkay?"

The viet cong was actually created by Marxist Jews in the renaissance!

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 9:11 AM  

i'm actually somewhat shocked that he's throwing both the Catholics and Orthodox under the bus as well.

I believe he's going to devolve to the point where the only hope for mankind is a direct blood descendent of Leonidas. Literally everyone else is a suspected commie.

Blogger Rabbi B March 19, 2015 9:15 AM  

"Those who recognize the pattern of subversion are usually destroyed or excoriated by those who refuse to see . . . . all because they recognized the pattern of the progressive elites early."

What should be said to those who fancy themselves to be "progressive"? To them, we really have nothing to say. They do not expect nor will they brook any instruction from us. Remember, they have 'advanced' so far beyond us that they are the only ones qualified to instruct us. Through their refined mockery, they desire to sway us from our narrow and small-minded views up to the unrestrained level of their so-called progressiveness.

When the progressives and the moderates speak, they do not speak to hear instruction, but only to instruct us. However, they are still not so secure in their 'progressiveness' or 'moderation' that they do not still perceive in our loyalty a reproach which irritates them. Perhaps only experience can bring them back, the experience of the delusions to which they have so thoughtlessly committed themselves. Until then, what can we really say to them? Perhaps all we can do is leave them to their delusions.

In the meantime, we continue, without apology, to maintain our convictions against their doubts and our steadfastness against their wavering. We will remain grounded in reality, for all our sakes.

Anonymous cheddarman March 19, 2015 9:16 AM  

Evil never sleeps.

Anonymous p-dawg March 19, 2015 9:19 AM  

@Wheeler: No, Communism is a Babylonian construct which was adopted by the Jews when they adopted the Babylonian Talmud. See the Code of Hammurabi, a Babylonian set of laws which predate the Jews.

Anonymous paradox March 19, 2015 9:39 AM  

And this mutant form of Communism isn't afraid to be economic capitalist, e.g. Starbucks. It's hilarious... their commie SJW race baiting blown-up in their coffee.

Anonymous kfg March 19, 2015 9:41 AM  

"All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need."

The founding idea of Marxist Jews, such as Gerrard Winstanley.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 9:51 AM  

"Literally everyone else is a suspected commie."

Why is such an authoritarian freak so worried about communism?

Anonymous bw March 19, 2015 9:56 AM  

and... it took a whole 13 minutes for someone to say "Jews are bad. mmmkay?" & The viet cong was actually created by Marxist Jews in the renaissance!

Outstanding Tag Team trolling.

The reason "Jews" are directly related to Communism is because they are the modern pushers of it. Very simple. Very historical. Very Revolutionary.

No, Communism is a Babylonian construct which was adopted by the Jews when they adopted the Babylonian Talmud

Dancing all around it.

Babylon and the ancient mystery religions in the world today are perpetuated by heavily involved Marxist/Communist "Jews" and through secret societies. Tell us, why does Levi and Crowley and Majick use Hebrew?

"Jewish" leaders despise and hate Jesus of Nazareth, as their Talmud - and their killing him then, and now - proves.




Anonymous Stilicho March 19, 2015 10:06 AM  

The devil hates competition

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 10:16 AM  

As Mises stated, there is no Third Way (collectivism in moderation.) All "partial" collectivisms slide inexorably toward full totalitarian collectivisms for the same reason failure never falsifies Keynesian economics or Marxism.

Yes, a Christian-hating Jew is just the person I was hoping to hear from in this type of conversation!

Anonymous The other skeptic March 19, 2015 10:23 AM  

We are told that "among any two Jews there will be three opinions."

However, I suspect that this is just a Jewish strategy to have non-Jews believe that the Jews are just as faction ridden as they are.

Communist strategy looks like ...

Anonymous Jack Amok March 19, 2015 10:28 AM  

It's increasingly apparent that Commies, SJW, Feminists, and all the assorted grab-bag movements of The Left share a certain core set of behaviors and attitudes.

1) There's always an appeal to flattening the heirarchy that's really just a disquised effort by the lefty leaders to put themselves at the top of the heap.

2) People only matter based on the group they can claim membership in.

3) Honor is a weakness to be exploited.

4) Dissent is met with the harshest possible consequences.

5) The enemy is evil, never just wrong.

6) Every leader should expect and ice pick to the head eventually.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 19, 2015 10:28 AM  

SJW are so successful because SJ is a religion. They are fanatical believers. Evil is always a caricature of The Good. As they don't believe in God, their ideology becomes a religion. SJW are evangelizers of the Gospel of Marx.

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Cavalry March 19, 2015 10:31 AM  

Interestingly, I am about half way through "Giap, The Victor in Viet Nam" and had drawn the same conclusion. http://www.amazon.com/Giap-Vietnam-Peter-G-MacDonald/dp/0393034011/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426775032&sr=8-1&keywords=giap+the+victor

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Cavalry March 19, 2015 10:34 AM  

SJW's are so successful because thy (like their communist brothers) ruthlessly eliminate any opposition.

Blogger Andres Murillo March 19, 2015 10:40 AM  

Reminded me of this interview with an ex-KGB:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLqHv0xgOlc&t=172

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 19, 2015 11:01 AM  

The Vietnamese Communists were simply following the playbook of Lenin. The October revolt in St. Petersburg was nothing more than a coup d'etat that overthrew a fragile constitutional monarchy. All sorts of groups allied with the Bolsheviks during the Civil War, but once power was consolidated the first ones to be arrested, imprisoned and shot were the anarchists, followed by other groups.

The Communists play a clever game, on the one hand they sit in the sleigh and get to decide who is thrown out to pacify the imaginary wolves pursuing, and on the other hand…the are the wolves.

Read transcripts of the show trials in the USSR during the 1930's, people like Radek confessed to the most absurd crimes in order to preserve party unity, etc. People who are true believers in a cult would rather die than be Othered, and the SJW's are extremely vulnerable to the threat of Othering, because they are rabbits at heart.

Each rabbit selected for persecution due to impure thoughts by the warren leader is surely stunned by the betrayal, but is so far gone in group think that he/she/it can't really fight back.

Anonymous FP March 19, 2015 11:02 AM  

"Moderates are always trying to curry favor with the opposition by criticizing their own "extremists", but this is not only futile, it actually plays into the enemy's strategy of shifting coalitions."

Its playing out exactly like this in Washington state over gun rights. The open carry protesters of the Patrick Henry Society vs Alan Gotleib and the SAF. Far too many moderates here in the northwest who are worried about image and feelings.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 11:03 AM  

Yes, a Christian-hating Jew is just the person I was hoping to hear from in this type of conversation!

Who are you calling a Christian hating Jew, Mises?

Blogger tweell March 19, 2015 11:06 AM  

I would disagree about the media being ignorant. Some, maybe, but quite a few know exactly what they are doing. They are socialist propagandists with bylines, promoting their narrative at all costs (even to the detriment of the media organization that employs them).

Anonymous paradox March 19, 2015 11:14 AM  

Wouldn't say Mises was a hater... However, he did believe Christianity and capitalism are contradictory. Most likely he had a complete misunderstanding of Christianity.

“A living Christianity,” said Mises, “cannot exist side by side with, and within, Capitalism” (Quoted in Jorg Guido Hulsmann, Mises, the Last Knight of Liberalism, p. 982).

Blogger IM2L844 March 19, 2015 11:17 AM  

SJW are evangelizers of the Gospel of Marx.

To connect the dots and help tie it all together people should know more about seldom mentioned Georg Lukacs.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 11:23 AM  

"Yes, a Christian-hating Jew is just the person I was hoping to hear from in this type of conversation!"

...

Disqualify!!!!

Anonymous paradox March 19, 2015 11:27 AM  

people should know more about seldom mentioned Georg Lukacs

What does the creator of Star Wars have to do with communism? Oh let me guess, their supposed to be Jewdis from Planet Druidia.

Blogger Anthony March 19, 2015 12:00 PM  

Mr. MantraMan, back in the 80s, my neighbor, who had a shortwave radio, noticed that you could tell what was going to be the focus of campus activism by listening to Radio Moscow a few months in advance.

Blogger Anthony March 19, 2015 12:00 PM  

Mr. MantraMan, back in the 80s, my neighbor, who had a shortwave radio, noticed that you could tell what was going to be the focus of campus activism by listening to Radio Moscow a few months in advance.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 12:02 PM  

Who are you calling a Christian hating Jew, Mises?

Disqualify!!!!

Yes, these types (Mises, Rothbard) are not going to help rebuild Christendom. It certainly does disqualify them from giving us gentiles advice on how to improve our societies, especially since they live by the "free-market capitalism for thee but not for me" mentality (both had state jobs for parts of their lives).

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:07 PM  

Yes, these types (Mises, Rothbard) are not going to help rebuild Christendom. It certainly does disqualify them from giving us gentiles advice on how to improve our societies, especially since they live by the "free-market capitalism for thee but not for me" mentality (both had state jobs for parts of their lives).

MOAR DISQUALIFY!!!

This might be the dumbest comment written on this blog in the past month, if not longer.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:11 PM  

"Yes, these types (Mises, Rothbard) are not going to help rebuild Christendom. It certainly does disqualify them from giving us gentiles advice on how to improve our societies, especially since they live by the "free-market capitalism for thee but not for me" mentality (both had state jobs for parts of their lives)."

You sound like the idiots that called Ron Paul a hypocrite because of earmarks.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 12:13 PM  

Fine by me, I don't have much respect for Mises or Rothbard. It doesn't hurt my feelings that people who respect them might not respect me. If you think atheist/agnostic Jews with persecution complexes are going to improve the world, throw in your lot with them. I'll be elsewhere.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:13 PM  

Vox is not really a libertarian because at one point in his life he voted for a republican.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 12:15 PM  

You sound like the idiots that called Ron Paul a hypocrite because of earmarks.

I wouldn't call him a hypocrite, but he should say "there's nothing wrong with using my constitutents' tax dollars for good reasons, like bringing it back to their community" if he's going to do exactly that. He's working within the system, no need to espouse purist views on how irredeemably evil government is when he's using it for good.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:16 PM  

"It doesn't hurt my feelings that people who respect them might not respect me. If you think atheist/agnostic Jews with persecution complexes are going to improve the world, throw in your lot with them. I'll be elsewhere."

Correct. You'll be off by yourself... sitting in a corner smelling your own farts with a dunce cap on.

Stop worrying about the men and look at the ideas ya retard. All men are flawed.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:17 PM  

Fine by me, I don't have much respect for Mises or Rothbard.

Have you actually read anything either of them wrote?

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:18 PM  

I wouldn't call him a hypocrite, but he should say "there's nothing wrong with using my constitutents' tax dollars for good reasons, like bringing it back to their community" if he's going to do exactly that.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT EARMARKS.

Do you in fact do any thinking at all in this tiny brain of yours?

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 12:19 PM  

Vox is not really a libertarian because at one point in his life he voted for a republican.

Watch what people do, consistently, not what they say. Thus, the guy who took his bread and butter from state coffers (Rothbard) for much of his life is different from the guy who espouses libertarian economics and builds his own private companies, regardless of how he voted 20 years ago.

Rothbard should have gone into comedy. He'd have been brilliant, made his own private fortune, and been able to talk all the economics he could dream about.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 12:22 PM  

Have you actually read anything either of them wrote?


Yes, though I'm far more familiar with Rothbard. I think the only think I haven't read are his pamphlets and his gigantic American history (though I do own it). I used to be an "anarcho-capitalist" type. Sure, some of his criticisms and his "revisionist" history are great, but his premises are flawed. If you don't have Christ, your ideas will always be mediocre at best.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT EARMARKS.

Do you in fact do any thinking at all in this tiny brain of yours?


I wasn't aware I had criticized Ron Paul, just said what I think he should do, good for him that he has. I didn't bring Ron Paul into this. No need to use the caps lock to make a point about something I didn't even say.

And I'm also not the only person who is critical of Mises and Rothbard, so I'll be in a corner smelling lots of other people's farts too.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:24 PM  

Sure, some of his criticisms and his "revisionist" history are great, but his premises are flawed.

What are his premises and how are they flawed?

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:25 PM  

"And I'm also not the only person who is critical of Mises and Rothbard, so I'll be in a corner smelling lots of other people's farts too."

Yep. you and the other retards of various stripes.. Keynesian... Communist.. and Stormfront

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:27 PM  

And I'm also not the only person who is critical of Mises and Rothbard, so I'll be in a corner smelling lots of other people's farts too.

So your argument thus far has been ad hominem and ad populum.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:28 PM  

Aristotle and Plato are also idiots... Because No Jesus.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:29 PM  

And we're total idiots for reading the great roman political philosophers... because No Jesus.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:31 PM  


Aristotle and Plato are also idiots... Because No Jesus.


Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?

Yes.

Morons!

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:34 PM  

Actually lets have some fun here... Marissa... how about you tell us all about the government jobs Ludwig Von Mises had.

No doubt you can list them off the top your head. so lets talk about them... and how they make him a hypocrite.

lets see the list.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 12:36 PM  

They're not idiots, but they are certainly flawed, very flawed in some respects.

If you start at the premise that an economy is comprised of individuals, and not the family structures that create and maintain civilization, then your system will contain serious mistakes. I do think very minimal government can work with small or dispersed populations with strong traditions (early American settles are a prime example). But that doesn't work for multicultural, feminist 4th largest city in the world Houston, Texas (and similar places that hold most of the world's population).

The problem with libertarian economics is that it assumes Christendom. It assumes a system already in place that's created and sustained by straight, European, male Christians. If goods like labor should be constrained (via immigration law, i.e., the government), then you've got an unprincipled exception, and lots of other exceptions can (and should) be allowed too, like restricting employment opportunities for women, etc. That doesn't mean "let the companies fail that employ women or immigrants"; it means "punish the companies that try to employ women or immigrants". Punishment is that terrible, evil, no-good initiation of force, and it can be used for good.

The anarcho-capitalist sees everyone as individuals, it doesn't matter if the successful entrepreneur is a woman, or an immigrant, or a Jew, he should be allowed to do whatever any other individual does. I don't think that encourages civilization, which is why I disagree with their premises.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:40 PM  

The anarcho-capitalist sees everyone as individuals, it doesn't matter if the successful entrepreneur is a woman, or an immigrant, or a Jew, he should be allowed to do whatever any other individual does. I don't think that encourages civilization, which is why I disagree with their premises.

In other words, civilization = collectivism.

In other words, you're a commie.

In other words, MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:42 PM  

"If you start at the premise that an economy is comprised of individuals, and not the family structures that create and maintain civilization, then your system will contain serious mistakes. "

Holy shit.

Marissa... families aren't made up of individuals.

fascinating.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 12:43 PM  

Actually lets have some fun here... Marissa... how about you tell us all about the government jobs Ludwig Von Mises had.

No doubt you can list them off the top your head. so lets talk about them... and how they make him a hypocrite.


I couldn't list them off the top of my head, as I haven't memorized anyone's career history.

He graduated in February 1906 (Juris Doctor) and started a career as a civil servant in Austria's financial administration, leaving after a few months to take a trainee position in a Vienna law firm. During that time, Mises began lecturing on economics, and in early 1909, he joined the Vienna Chamber of Commerce and Industry. During World War I, Mises served as a front officer in the Austro-Hungarian artillery and as an economic adviser to the War Department.

Mises was chief economist for the Austrian Chamber of Commerce and was an economic adviser of Engelbert Dollfuss, the austrofascist but strongly anti-Nazi Austrian Chancellor,[7] and later to Otto von Habsburg, the Christian democratic politician and claimant to the throne of Austria (which had been legally abolished in 1918).[8] In 1934, Mises left Austria for Geneva, Switzerland, where he was a professor at the Graduate Institute of International Studies until 1940.


Good for him that after his extensive work in government, he emigrated to America and didn't stay on the government teat (I did know that about him--NYU wouldn't have paid his salary because of his beliefs). I do consider it hypocritical to criticize the state and socialism, and then benefit monetarily from it, exclusively, for a few decades.

Again, I didn't call any non-Christian an idiot, but they will never have the fullness of the Truth. Nothing wrong with that, doesn't make them horrible and evil, but it doesn't make them as useful either.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:47 PM  

I do consider it hypocritical to criticize the state and socialism, and then benefit monetarily from it, exclusively, for a few decades.

He also probably used public transportation and government roads, what a monster he is!

And Ron Paul's work to spread the ideas of freedom and liberty is all in vain because he dared to serve in congress.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 12:47 PM  

Marissa... families aren't made up of individuals.

Well, you've completely missed the point. A family is made up of a male head of household who is completely different from his female subordinate wife, and who has far different powers and responsibilities than any of his children. They are not atomized individuals and actually can't be or they aren't their respective roles anymore. A father and husband cannot exist apart from his child(ren) or wife. A wife can't be a wife without having husband.

In other words, MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I prefer, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Anyway, that is the stock response to any criticism of atomized individualism, that one is a collectivist.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:48 PM  

Nothing wrong with that, doesn't make them horrible and evil, but it doesn't make them as useful either.

Hey guys math is not useful because 2+2 should equal Jesus, not 4.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:50 PM  

"Good for him that after his extensive work in government"

Oh good.. you learned to cut and paste from wikipedia. Unfortunately you didn't bother to read what you cut and pasted.

1) he was an officer leading an artillery battalion in the army.

2) He was an economic adviser for various political groups and officials.

3) The Graduate Institute of International Studies and Development is a semi-private institution.

In other words... he served in the military... then he went on to take positions that would let him influence people who were actually in authority and could implement them.

And you call him a hypocrite for it.

You're absolutely a prime grade A example of why women shouldn't talk about economics.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 12:51 PM  

atomized individuals...atomized individualism

And now you've shifted the goal posts from individuals to atomized individuals.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 12:52 PM  

He also probably used public transportation and government roads, what a monster he is!

And Ron Paul's work to spread the ideas of freedom and liberty is all in vain because he dared to serve in congress.


I said nothing of the sort. This womanish sarcasm is tiresome. I have no issue with libertarians who are forced to use public goods and I understand that they disapprove of how their money is taken from them and used in ways in which they disapprove. They are between a rock and a hard place and there's no way for them to do otherwise.

Why couldn't Mises find a trade, though? He wasn't required or even forced by necessity or convenience to become a government economist the way he was forced to use public roads, etc. He could have written books on the side or taught classes at a local hall, even privately. Having a distinguished job in the professariat is not a requirement in life.

Also, I'm not aware that Ron Paul wants to abolish Congress, so I see nothing wrong with him serving in it and trying to change things from the inside to comply more with his own beliefs. He's probably the most honorable person who's served in Congress in the past 50 years. And what do you know, he was able to be a child-saving, private-business-owning entrepreneur before having to get his hands dirty in the House! That's principle.

Anonymous mistaben March 19, 2015 12:53 PM  

For a moment I was wondering what sort of entryism the SS had done in television.

Note to self: turn off Men Kampf after use.

Blogger David March 19, 2015 12:56 PM  

Marissa, Rothbard was a comedian. For Heaven's sake, look up "Mozart was a Red" on youtube.

It all boils down to, over what issues are you willing to slit someone's throat?

It sounds to me that you favor a Christian doctrine that finds places where that's perfectly acceptable. The alternative is that you're willing to live and let live (or just separate from those with whom you disagree.)

Is that not some sort of anarcho-capitalism? Or do you favor some sort of "these are my rules, and if you don't agree to abide by them, it's time to die?" I'm still trying to find that one in a Gospel, but I defer to your greater insight.

Coercion or non-coercion. And coercion requires enforcement, and enforcement without willingness to kill for principle, not self-defense (or at least torture for it) isn't real.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:57 PM  

"Nothing wrong with that, doesn't make them horrible and evil, but it doesn't make them as useful either."

No. What makes him useful is his writing and theories are able to predict and explain future events far better than anyone else's do.

By his fruits... we know he is useful.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 12:58 PM  

" They are not atomized individuals and actually can't be or they aren't their respective roles anymore."

Zoom!

And there go the goal posts.

Anonymous Trimegistus March 19, 2015 12:58 PM  

Right now, the SJWs can't kill people.

Which means that when they "win," it's a hollow victory -- a matter of "optics" and Tweets. Their opponents haven't gone away; in fact they're probably angrier and more committed than before.

This is their weakness. They don't understand this. They exist in a world of symbols and rhetoric, where putting up selfies on Twitter can somehow "defeat" Boko Haram or ISIS.

We need to focus on reality. Winning for real, in the real world of bodies and things. Deprive the SJWs of money, deprive them of power, deprive them of positions of influence.

If anyone has a couple of thousand bucks they're willing to spend, hire a private detective to investigate the editor or publisher of your local paper, or the producer at your local TV news. Chances are, you can find out something that will destroy them.

Do the same for professors of Women's Studies or Queer Theory (that ought to be as easy as reading their published work). Forward said info to the college trustees -- or state legislators if it's a state school. Or to the cops.

The goal is to get them fired, get them sued, get them arrested. Literally destroy them, don't just "own" them on Twitter. Let them win every comment war as they lose the real world.

Blogger Corvinus March 19, 2015 12:58 PM  

i'm actually somewhat shocked that he's throwing both the Catholics and Orthodox under the bus as well.

@bob k. mando
"Pope" Francis' Marxism and syncretism has become too obvious to deny (or blame on the media, as Mr. Wright is wont to do). Not sure why he's dinging the Orthodox, though.

The viet cong was actually created by Marxist Jews in the renaissance!

@Josh
Well, the Russian Bolsheviks were in fact mostly Marxist Jews.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:00 PM  

so I see nothing wrong with him serving in it and trying to change things from the inside to comply more with his own beliefs

If you actually were consistent in your application of logic and critical thinking, you would see nothing wrong with Mises doing essentially the same thing, as nate already pointed out.

But then you are a woman.

Also...make me a sammich...thanks.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 1:01 PM  

"Why couldn't Mises find a trade, though? He wasn't required or even forced by necessity or convenience to become a government economist the way he was forced to use public roads, etc. He could have written books on the side or taught classes at a local hall, even privately. Having a distinguished job in the professariat is not a requirement in life."

You dense little twit.

He was taking jobs where he would be able to influence people in power. In other words... he was proving that he really believed what he wrote.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:03 PM  

Well, the Russian Bolsheviks were in fact mostly Marxist Jews.

Viet cong != Russian Bolsheviks

Also...the Viet cong, the Bolsheviks, and the Marxists were not around in the renaissance.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 1:04 PM  

David, I've seen it and it's hilarious. Unfortunately the only version I was able to find at the time (a few years ago now) was poor quality, but it was still extremely entertaining.

Anyway, if people want to live in a sane state, then they should certainly abide by the laws or face the consequences and sometimes the consequences of particularly heinous crimes, like murder, should be death. Otherwise, most crimes are punished by expulsion or imprisonment.

The "if you don't abide by my rules, it's time to die" canard is silly, because most crimes don't result in the death penalty (and shouldn't, obviously).

And now you've shifted the goal posts from individuals to atomized individuals.

Nate said families are comprised of individuals, but they certainly aren't identical individuals and they don't deserve the same treatment under the law or within the economy. Certainly there will always be exceptions of individuals like spinsters and bachelors, but they shouldn't be looked upon as "individuals" but as what they are, including their state, their position in life.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 1:07 PM  

"If you actually were consistent in your application of logic and critical thinking, you would see nothing wrong with Mises doing essentially the same thing, as nate already pointed out."

Does this qualify as an Eiffel Tower?

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 1:08 PM  

He was taking jobs where he would be able to influence people in power. In other words... he was proving that he really believed what he wrote.

If he really believed taxes are always wrong and an infringement on the individual's rights, he would have acted accordingly. Instead, he took his bread from the very system he criticized as completely irredeemable. If he were a minarchist, he'd be perfectly within his rights. But he went full purist, and that's where he was wrong. Good for him for trying to influence the very government he was trying to make...disappear?

I have no problem with Paul because he seems to be a minarchist, not an anarchist. An anarchist in a government building makes no sense, unless he's armed.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 1:09 PM  

"The "if you don't abide by my rules, it's time to die" canard is silly, because most crimes don't result in the death penalty (and shouldn't, obviously)."

Really?

Like most you simply fail to follow the sequence.

Nate doesn't renew his tags.

Nate gets pulled over.

Nate gets ticket.

Nate refuses to pay ticket.

Nate gets pulled over.

Nate gets arrested.

Nate refuses to allow himself to be arrested.

Nate gets shot.

You pay your parking tickets...because if you don't... someone will eventually shoot you.

Blogger Corvinus March 19, 2015 1:14 PM  

Well, the Russian Bolsheviks were in fact mostly Marxist Jews.

Viet cong != Russian Bolsheviks


But the Viet Cong and the ChiComs were intellectual descendants of the Russian Bolsheviks. So yes, they were intellectually parented or grandparented by Marxist Jews, even if they weren't Jewish themselves.

Also...the Viet cong, the Bolsheviks, and the Marxists were not around in the renaissance.

Not sure where the Renaissance bit came from. I blame German "Enlightenment" philosophy, personally.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:16 PM  

If he really believed taxes are always wrong and an infringement on the individual's rights, he would have acted accordingly. Instead, he took his bread from the very system he criticized as completely irredeemable.
Direct question: what percentage of his lifetime income was directly from the government?

If he were a minarchist, he'd be perfectly within his rights. But he went full purist, and that's where he was wrong. Good for him for trying to influence the very government he was trying to make...disappear?

That's absurd logic. It's the equivalent of telling a girl who sent a topless picture to her boyfriend that she might as well go ahead and get filmed in hd taking five dicks in the ass.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 1:17 PM  

honestly Marissa... as one that has read tons of Mises... it seems to me that your opinions of the man are based entirely on something you heard someone say once and you thought it sounded smart.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:19 PM  

But the Viet Cong and the ChiComs were intellectual descendants of the Russian Bolsheviks. So yes, they were intellectually parented or grandparented by Marxist Jews, even if they weren't Jewish themselves.

The train is fine.

Not sure where the Renaissance bit came from. I blame German "Enlightenment" philosophy, personally.

From wheeler's original comment that I was mocking:

This whole scheme was hatched in the Renaissance.

Now look. We're in the middle of an intellectual gang bang. Either join in or shut up.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 1:19 PM  

I'm not sure what that has to do with my true statement that "most crimes don't result in the death penalty" because they don't, unless you want to win a Darwin Award for not rendering unto Caesar his stupid and inane parking laws. Crimes certainly can result in the death penalty, if that's the hill you want to die on, which most civilized folks certainly do not.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 1:23 PM  

Let me just clear this up for you Marissa...

" If, however, the government does more than protect people against violent or fraudulent aggression on the part of antisocial individuals, it reduces the sphere of the individual's freedom to act beyond the degree to which it is restricted by praxeological law. Thus we may define freedom as that state of affairs in which the individual's discretion to choose is not constrained by governmental violence beyond the margin within which the praxeological law restricts it anyway." - Ludwig Von Mises, Human Action, page 281.

Not only was Von Mises not an anarchist... he was far less an anarchist than Rand or Ron Paul who you called a minarchist.

Von Mises was even pro-conscription.

So tell me... dear marissa... where exactly did you learn that Ludwig Von Mises was an anarchist?

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 1:25 PM  

" Crimes certainly can result in the death penalty, if that's the hill you want to die on, which most civilized folks certainly do not. "

The point Marissa... is that all government is based on force. All law is based on force. And force... includes deadly force.

The death penalty just formalizes it.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 1:26 PM  

honestly Marissa... as one that has read tons of Mises... it seems to me that your opinions of the man are based entirely on something you heard someone say once and you thought it sounded smart.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention Mises outside of the libertarian circles I used to frequent. I used to visit the von Mises Institute every day, read the free books, listened to the free lectures at work, browsed the forum. I used to enjoy this stuff and learn about it. I don't consider much of it anymore. I've found it's mostly for smart white and Jewish guys who think everyone else in the world is as intelligent, disciplined and moral as they are (or want to scam people, I didn't see that very much though).

Direct question: what percentage of his lifetime income was directly from the government?

I have no idea. I do know he held a number of government jobs and therefore took government cheese. If you're an anarchist, that's untenable. I don't really understand your other comment and would prefer not to quote it.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:28 PM  

honestly Marissa... as one that has read tons of Mises... it seems to me that your opinions of the man are based entirely on something you heard someone say once and you thought it sounded smart.

Dude, she totally reads Mises on the beach with Michele Bachmann...

Also, "something you heard someone say once and you thought it sounded smart" is exactly what this comment by paradox is:

“A living Christianity,” said Mises, “cannot exist side by side with, and within, Capitalism” (Quoted in Jorg Guido Hulsmann, Mises, the Last Knight of Liberalism, p. 982).

It's posted verbatim like this on lots of retarded blog comments.

If you actually go and read that page of THE LAST KNIGHT OF LIBERALISM you'll find that it comes from Mises's SOCIALISM which he wrote in 1922. The context of the wrote in the biography is Mises's views of Christianity and how they tempered over time. Also consider that he wrote SOCIALISM at a time when many people were using Christian theology to justify socialism and the confiscation of property.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:33 PM  

I have no idea.

Then drop it. You can't prove how much of his income came directly from the government. It could have been ten percent, it could have been ninety percent. That matters.

I don't really understand your other comment and would prefer not to quote it.

It was about your all or nothing approach.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:34 PM  

I've found it's mostly for smart white and Jewish guys who think everyone else in the world is as intelligent, disciplined and moral as they are (or want to scam people, I didn't see that very much though).

DISQUALIFY!!!

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 1:36 PM  

"I have no idea. I do know he held a number of government jobs and therefore took government cheese. If you're an anarchist, that's untenable."

he wasn't an anarchist Marissa. Which is why you really shouldn't form strong opinions about people who's work you haven't actually read.. and why you certainly shouldn't shoot your mouth off about it.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:38 PM  

By the way, Marissa, you're providing an excellent example of this:

This also demonstrates the absolute importance of driving home to the moderates that they need to resist their urge to train their guns on their own side rather than the opposition. Moderates are always trying to curry favor with the opposition by criticizing their own "extremists", but this is not only futile, it actually plays into the enemy's strategy of shifting coalitions.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 1:38 PM  

Not only was Von Mises not an anarchist... he was far less an anarchist than Rand or Ron Paul who you called a minarchist.

Von Mises was even pro-conscription.

So tell me... dear marissa... where exactly did you learn that Ludwig Von Mises was an anarchist?


Well, you're right about that. I learned most of von Mises through Rothbard and have never read anything by Mises himself where he affirmed a proper role of government. Everything I read by him was exclusively negative and critical. I have even read his writings on taxation and never remembered his approval of it. He's clearly approving of it.

I rescind my criticism of him for taking his salary from taxes. Clearly my criticism lies with Rothbard, not von Mises.

The point Marissa... is that all government is based on force. All law is based on force. And force... includes deadly force.

The death penalty just formalizes it.


There will always be an arbiter who can and does use force to make certain discriminating decisions. That's just what government is. Again, the vast majority of crimes aren't going to end in "slitting of the throats".



Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 1:40 PM  

Josh, I'm not an extremist and I'm definitely not a Misesian/Rothbardian.

he wasn't an anarchist Marissa. Which is why you really shouldn't form strong opinions about people who's work you haven't actually read.. and why you certainly shouldn't shoot your mouth off about it.

I have read his work and I never encountered his pro-government opinions. He has a large body of work.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 1:41 PM  

"
There will always be an arbiter who can and does use force to make certain discriminating decisions. "

Congratulations.

You just reduced your beloved civilization to bureaucratic barbarism.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:41 PM  

I learned most of von Mises through Rothbard and have never read anything by Mises himself where he affirmed a proper role of government.

If you had really read as much Austrian economics as you said you had, you would know that Austrian economics isn't about affirming proper roles of government, but about identifying the consequences of an action.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 1:42 PM  

Then drop it. You can't prove how much of his income came directly from the government. It could have been ten percent, it could have been ninety percent. That matters.

I have dropped it, as Nate proved that von Mises had no problem with taxation. So I now see no issue with him making his money from taxes (whatever percentage it might have been). He's in the same boat I see Ron Paul in.

Blogger Guitar Man March 19, 2015 1:42 PM  

Speaking of women and economics:

Women: Know Your Limits

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 1:42 PM  

"I rescind my criticism of him for taking his salary from taxes. Clearly my criticism lies with Rothbard, not von Mises."

So be it.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:43 PM  

Josh, I'm not an extremist and I'm definitely not a Misesian/Rothbardian.

No shit, idiot.

You're the moderate who's fragging the extremists on her own side.

Unless...of course...you aren't really on our side...because...after all...you're really just another variant of communist.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:45 PM  

Speaking of women and economics:

Women: Know Your Limits


Literally gold.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:47 PM  

I have dropped it, as Nate proved that von Mises had no problem with taxation. So I now see no issue with him making his money from taxes (whatever percentage it might have been). He's in the same boat I see Ron Paul in.

I'm glad that's all cleared up.

Blogger Rabbi B March 19, 2015 1:51 PM  

"Women: Know Your Limits"

Know when to change lines when it's obvious you don't meet the height requirements.

@Guitar Man

+1

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 1:52 PM  

You're the moderate who's fragging the extremists on her own side.

Unless...of course...you aren't really on our side...because...after all...you're really just another variant of communist.


I'm a moderate and really just another variant of communist? How can I "frag my own side" when I've stated clearly that I'm not on the side of Mises and Rothbard?

I would probably be considered an extremist by SJWs because I think there should be laws against immigration, forced integration, female careerism, divorce, etc. Which means I'm certainly not remotely a libertarian. Libertarians always call people who aren't on their side "collectivists". I did it too back in the day. It doesn't phase me.

Anonymous ENthePeasant March 19, 2015 1:55 PM  

I'm certain Military Intel and probably the CIA, although who the hell knows for sure, never doubted for a second that this was a communist inspired revolution with totalitarian communist rule as the end game. We understood exactly what they were doing, in regards to "other" nationalistic movements within the NLF umbrella. Whenever I talk about Tet I'm told over and over by everyone who can read that in fact Tet was a great defeat for the NLF. False reality... but only once you understand that the Guerrilla forces under command of the NLF were used as assault troops and there destruction by the US/Viet forces in fact strengthened the control of the North Viet communist party who came out of it solidly in control with no real opposition from the NLF and hardly any losses at all were sustained by the NVA. As with most of America the group that couldn't get their mind around the mechanization's of the NVCP was the press. In fact a lot of people connected to the NLF worked for the US press in particular and they were shocked at the loss of friends (who the press regarded as nationalists, not communists). At the end of the day manipulating the press is easy.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 1:59 PM  

I'm a moderate and really just another variant of communist?

Yes.

How can I "frag my own side" when I've stated clearly that I'm not on the side of Mises and Rothbard?


Well you claimed to be on the side of civilization, which is our side, and also Mises's and Rothbard's side. So by saying things like:

Yes, a Christian-hating Jew is just the person I was hoping to hear from in this type of conversation!

And

Yes, these types (Mises, Rothbard) are not going to help rebuild Christendom. It certainly does disqualify them from giving us gentiles advice on how to improve our societies,

What you're doing is trying to police our side.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 2:09 PM  

I don't see them on the side of civilization, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 2:12 PM  

I don't see them on the side of civilization, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

That's cute.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 2:17 PM  

Last word freak.

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 3:19 PM  

"I don't see them on the side of civilization, so we'll just have to agree to disagree."

Then you have no idea what the word civilization means.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 19, 2015 3:24 PM  

The blithering ignorance about the Intellectual history of the modern world and communism is apparent here on this blog when I mentioned the Renaissance.

In the Renaissance two things were resurrected that were long dead in the Middle Ages and one new thing was created. The two resurrected items was Epicurus/Lucretius stream of thought which is the rise of Atheism and the Hermetic Tradition. The New thing that was created was the Kabbala which was created de nuovo in the 13th century AD. In the Renaissance the lie began that the Kabbala and the Hermetic tradition was older than Plato.

What the Hermetic Tradition and the Kabbala do is resurrect universalism of Stoicism with the universalism of Jewish Messianism together. Along with Machiavelli's redefinition of the term republic as "any government without a king", all formed the basic intellectual basis for the rise of Communism. Modern republicanism was the vehicle for communism. Universalism is the "why" in the anti-racism agenda.

Machiavelli, Giordano Bruno, Marsillo Ficino, Giovanni Pico della Mirondola and others were all Hermetists, Kabbalists or Atheists or both or all. Mirondola launched humanism. Bruno Launched Freemasonry and Rosicrusianism, eastern syncretism. Ficino and Mirondola and Bruno were all succored and mentored by Jews.

Jews instigated the Protestant rebellions, created the Kabbala, and spread their messianistic utopia ideas throughout Europe.

In the Renaissance began the deconstruction of Christendom and the conversion of the West to Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism. Political Correctness is nothing but Jewish ideology, Cultural Marxism if you will.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 3:26 PM  

Again, Nate, we'll agree to disagree. I don't find the libertarian position on civilization convincing in the slightest degree. You can continue finding my own opinion unconvincing. We're clearly not on the same side. It's no big deal.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 3:27 PM  

Wheeler, wasn't the renaissance about rediscovering the works of the ancient Greeks and Romans?

If so, according to your theory, the root cause for communism is Greek philosophy.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 3:29 PM  

I don't find the libertarian position on civilization convincing in the slightest degree.

What's the libertarian position on civilization?

Anonymous FP March 19, 2015 3:37 PM  

Corvinus: "Not sure where the Renaissance bit came from. I blame German "Enlightenment" philosophy, personally."

I blame the time traveling Spartans of Michigan State.

Josh, truly you have a dizzying intellect.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 3:41 PM  

What's the libertarian position on civilization?

That individual freedom is the highest good.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 3:42 PM  

I blame the time traveling Spartans of Michigan State.

Well, given that Tom Izzo is a wizard, that's not implausible.

Anonymous Salt March 19, 2015 3:43 PM  

We're clearly not on the same side. It's no big deal

Well, the shooting hasn't started yet. ;-)

Anonymous cross the streams March 19, 2015 3:59 PM  

Rothbard was a jew.

All jews are neocons.

Rothbard was a neocon.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 19, 2015 4:05 PM  

Josh: "What you're doing is trying to police our side."

No, what you're doing is trying to police a side consisting of anyone who is for civilization.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 4:20 PM  

Rothbard was a jew.

All jews are neocons.

Rothbard was a neocon.


I assume your trolling, but this is just ridiculous.

Blogger Robert What? March 19, 2015 4:28 PM  

What the majority of SJWs seem to forget from history is that when the revolutionaries finally come into power, the first ones to be purged are the useful idiots.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 19, 2015 5:16 PM  

"People think Communism is gone, and that the SJW's just magically and randomly appeared. They're wrong".
It was planted in the ground and came up as a watermelon enviro green on the outside, commie red on the inside.

"The "if you don't abide by my rules, it's time to die" canard is silly, because most crimes don't result in the death penalty."
People used to think I was just being a contrarian when I said "I can get married in NYC but if I share a 20oz soda with a consenting adult nanny Bloomer's jack booted storm troopers would stomp my head" until they killed a man for selling untaxed cigs.

"among any two Jews there will be three opinions."
For some reason all gay Jews fear Bibi more than they do savage moslems.

One place I was at, the infection control nurse with nothing better to do was going around pestering people to be mentors for children. When she got to me I said "sorry I can't I am gay". She talked bad about the small minded bigots and didn't want to give up on foisting some child onto my lap. She even said she could probably get me a gay or lesbian kid to which I said" that might be a good idea, most gays are told to just be victims instead of defending themselves and my cousin teaches the NRA's Eddie the Eagle gun course for kids." she ran away faster than I could say small minded bigot.

Anonymous cross the streams March 19, 2015 5:17 PM  

"I assume your trolling, but this is just ridiculous."

Such butthurt. Are you a jew?

Blogger Nate March 19, 2015 5:50 PM  

"Again, Nate, we'll agree to disagree."

No. We won't.

I'm basically going to destroy your position. Because your position is simply wrong. What you think you know about libertarianism is wrong.. Just like what you thought you know about Mises is wrong.

Now I'll ask... Define Civilization.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 6:25 PM  

No, what you're doing is trying to police a side consisting of anyone who is for civilization.

Define civilization

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 19, 2015 6:25 PM  

"Define Civilization."

Asian & White Privilege

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 6:27 PM  

Asian & White Privilege

Nice

Blogger SarahsDaughter March 19, 2015 6:35 PM  

Marissa, are you married?

Think of what Aristotle said regarding wives: "But in all other matters, let it be her aim to obey her husband; giving no heed to public affairs"

Also what Paul said in 1 Timothy: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence." and 1 Corinthians: "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church."

Regardless whether this is church or not (it certainly is a discussion between Christians) what you might want to consider is that you've placed your husband, if you're married, or your father, if you're single, into a state of disrepute.

You do not define the terms of the debate you are having and you have willfully engaged with two men who do not need to agree with your "agree to disagree" silliness. You've been asked where you've gotten your opinions from. For your sake, I hope it is not from your husband.

If your household's opinion of public affairs (and especially religious beliefs) differs with men here, you would be wise, as a woman, to not bring shame to your household by arguing your beliefs with those men.

Because...now, here you are with Nate's last comment. Tread lightly. Especially in light of your declarations of living a life grounded in Christian morality.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 19, 2015 6:52 PM  

Josh: "Define civilization"

The art of living in cities.

This includes the arts of building them, maintaining them, repairing them, and making use of their advantages. Merely occupying a city and letting it run down, in the style of Detroit, doesn't count.

Anonymous Anubis March 19, 2015 7:13 PM  

"Define civilization" The art of living in cities.

So would I lack civilization if I live somewhere that I can not spit out a window and have it land on someone else's property? Or is there some sort of population density number achieved without a corresponding increase in crime threshold limit? I find things far more civilized when I can't hear when a neighbor flushes the toilet.

Anonymous Heaviside March 19, 2015 7:23 PM  

>Read transcripts of the show trials in the USSR during the 1930's, people like Radek confessed to the most absurd crimes in order to preserve party unity, etc. People who are true believers in a cult would rather die than be Othered, and the SJW's are extremely vulnerable to the threat of Othering, because they are rabbits at heart.

Darkness at Noon is a great novel on this subject. The protagonist's motivations aren't very "rabbity", so you should read the preface if you want to decide if the novel's depiction of the motivations of Old Bolsheviks is more accurate than your own.

Anonymous Heaviside March 19, 2015 7:25 PM  

There is a historical connection between Marxism and Hermeticism, but Hermeticism is not communism.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 7:27 PM  

Spare me the schoolmarmish mewling, SarahsDaughter. I'm married and your adoring fondness for the men of this site is embarrassing to see in a woman of your age. I won't respond to you again.

Nate, civilization (and by this I mean Christendom, not Carthaginian or Chinese civilization) is the conscious pursuit of virtue within a complex system of human organization. Its characteristics are traditions and laws that encourage a healthy, male hierarchy in politics, religion and family; discipline and control of women and children; recognition and celebration of shared characteristics like faith, ethnicity, and history and a concomitant distrust of baseless novelty; and a strong sense of the nature of man, created good, but corrupted by sin and redeemed by Christ, to whom all political and social structures should give honor and fidelity.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 7:35 PM  

Marissa, are you related to Wheeler?

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 7:35 PM  

Spare me the schoolmarmish mewling, SarahsDaughter. I'm married and your adoring fondness for the men of this site is embarrassing to see in a woman of your age. I won't respond to you again.

Cat fight!

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 7:37 PM  

Josh, who is that?

Anonymous Heaviside March 19, 2015 7:39 PM  

Marissa is substantially correct. The family exists before private individuals do.

Blogger SarahsDaughter March 19, 2015 7:40 PM  

discipline and control of women and children

But not you, right sweetie? You're a special one.

Just like the many who have come before you, carry on with yourself and the very predictable outcome that will follow.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 7:44 PM  

Josh, who is that?

Our resident Spartan, self proclaimed Defender Of The Faith and eternal servant of the throne and altar.

Seriously, you don't know who he is? It's not like he's commented in this very thread.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 7:45 PM  

civilization (and by this I mean Christendom, not Carthaginian or Chinese civilization)

The goal posts, they move. Again.

Blogger SarahsDaughter March 19, 2015 7:47 PM  

Cat fight!

Of course! When I admonish a woman it must be about my adoring fondness toward the men here (which couldn't at all be projection from those who accuse it).

Truth be told, I did just tell my husband how I enjoy reading comments from BigGaySteve. He reminds me of our old, gay, conservative friends and family members.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 7:48 PM  

I see who you're talking about, I read his handle as Lindsay.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 7:50 PM  

I see who you're talking about, I read his handle as Lindsay.

Excellent. Y'all seem to have a lot in common.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 7:55 PM  

Josh, I have made plenty enough references to Christian civilization. Keep up. Atheist Jews can keep their advice for other civilizations. I'll repost what I said earlier:

Yes, these types (Mises, Rothbard) are not going to help rebuild Christendom.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 8:00 PM  

Atheist Jews can keep their advice for other civilizations.

And what advice is that, that central banks cause the business cycle of booms and busts? That the state has a voracious appetite for increasing its own power?

You might as well argue that math isn't going to help rebuild Christendom either.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 8:08 PM  

Those aren't the only subjects on which they spoke. And 20th century economists weren't the first to figure out that characteristic of the state. They fail to fully understand human nature.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 8:20 PM  

Very well, please provide examples of their advice that they can keep for other civilizations. One from Mises and one from Rothbard.

Also, make me a sammich.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 10:20 PM  

Josh, this is tiresome. The entire premise of equal rights and generic individualism is what I reject. Their positions on immigration are odious enough.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 10:29 PM  

Their positions on immigration are odious enough.

Rothbard on immigration:

I began to rethink my views on immigration when, as the Soviet Union collapsed, it became clear that ethnic Russians has been encouraged to flood into Estonia and Latvia in order to destroy the cultures and languages of these people.


How odious.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 10:38 PM  

Mises on immigration:

These migrations have the closest bearing upon the condition of the different nations. They cause citizens of one nation, the natural conditions of which are less favourable, to move into the territory of other nations more favourably endowed. If the conditions under which migration takes place are such that the immigrants are assimilated to their new surroundings then the nation from which they came is, to that extent, weakened in numbers. If they are such that the immigrants preserve their nationality in their new home—still more if they assimilate the original inhabitants—then the nation receiving them will find immigration a menace to its national position.

Blogger Marissa March 19, 2015 11:14 PM  

It's good to see Rothbard made an unprincipled exception for immigration, looks like it was a late-in-life about face. Good for him after a lifetime of nation-destroying, open borders pimping. Mises sounds like the typical Republican who thinks Hispanics fit right in because they're supposedly hardworking and family values oriented.

Here's some real charming stuff from von Mises on this site's hobbyhorse:

"As the idea of contract enters the Law of Marriage, it breaks the rule of the male, and makes the wife a partner with equal rights. From a one-sided relationship resting on force, marriage thus becomes a mutual agreement; the servant becomes the married wife entitled to demand from the man all that he is entitled to ask from her. Step by step she wins the position in the home which she holds today. Nowadays the position of the woman differs from the position of the man only in so far as their peculiar ways of earning a living differ. The remnants of man's privileges have little importance. They are privileges of honour. The wife, for instance, still bears her husband's name."

“so far as Feminism seeks to adjust the legal position of woman to that of man, so far as it seeks to offer her legal and economic freedom to develop and act in accordance with her inclinations, desires, and economic circumstances—so far it is nothing more than a branch of the great liberal movement, which advocates peaceful and free evolution.”

Rothbard:

"It should be emphasized that, in contrast to the Women's Lib forces who tend to blame capitalism as well as male tyrants for centuries-old discrimination, it was precisely capitalism and the "capitalist revolution" of the 18th and 19th centuries that freed women from male oppression, and set each woman free to find her best level. It was the feudal and pre-capitalist, pre-market society that was marked by male oppression; it was that society where women were chattels of their fathers and husbands, where they could own no property of their own, etc. Capitalism set women free to find their own level, and the result is what we have today."

Thanks "capitalism"!

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 19, 2015 11:22 PM  

Anubis: "So would I lack civilization if I live somewhere that I can not spit out a window and have it land on someone else's property? Or is there some sort of population density number achieved without a corresponding increase in crime threshold limit? I find things far more civilized when I can't hear when a neighbor flushes the toilet."

I don't care. I have given my definition. If you dig and find cities, you have found civilization. If you dig and find no cities, you have not found civilization.

I am not interested to repeat this conversation, which has gone round and round before.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 11:27 PM  

Mises sounds like the typical Republican who thinks Hispanics fit right in because they're supposedly hardworking and family values oriented.
Reading comprehension fail.

If they are such that the immigrants preserve their nationality in their new home—still more if they assimilate the original inhabitants—then the nation receiving them will find immigration a menace to its national position.

No one who thinks Hispanics are natural conservatives also thinks immigration is a menace to the nation.

And now you're moving the goal posts again, from immigration to feminism.

Blogger Josh March 19, 2015 11:29 PM  

If you dig and find cities, you have found civilization. If you dig and find no cities, you have not found civilization.

The Mayans and Aztecs had cities, by your logic Latino immigrants are civilized.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 20, 2015 12:00 AM  

One way to oppose Communist / SJW cloud tactics is to identify correctly and persistently attack the core of the cloud, the group element with which it would not cohere and therefore the element that cannot be sacrificed. This isn't enough for victory, but it cuts down the attackers' options for maneuver.

The programmers of the SJW attack drones have identified their target: straight, white Christian males, without which no coalition of opposition adds up.

Anonymous Shorty March 20, 2015 12:11 AM  

"If you dig and find cities, you have found civilization. If you dig and find no cities, you have not found civilization."

What an incredibly superficial metric. Only in that world could Mogadishu be considered a civilized country.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 20, 2015 12:33 AM  

I agree that the pattern of SJW entryism in television, SF/F, and games appears to be rather similar to the successful Communist strategy in Vietnam.

It makes sense. Our attackers will not stop doing it till it stops working.

Anonymous Discard March 20, 2015 12:55 AM  

Titus D. Tacitus: Just as normal, White Christian men are the essential element of Western civilization, which must be destroyed in order that chaos may reign, the SJWs also have a core element. "My Struggle", by A. Hitler addressed this issue.

Anonymous discard March 20, 2015 1:00 AM  

Josh: That Mexicans lived atop the ruins of cities they did not build is no more an argument for their being civilized than the fact that they live now in decaying barrios that once were vibrant White neighborhoods.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 20, 2015 4:29 AM  

The argument for not seeing the social justice warriors as the core of the hostile cloud is that they are not good at keeping anything together, they don't have the money or the media ownership, they are expendable, and a lot of them are white gentile males: a target group.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 20, 2015 6:05 AM  

As under the Soviet Army, every army, naval and air force unit had a political commissar. Political commissars were to keep doctrinal purity. Well, since the whole West has been converted to Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism, SJW are here as political commissars--to keep the doctrinal purity of Political Correctness and root out reactionaries and deal with them.

Blogger Marissa March 20, 2015 7:37 AM  

"No one who thinks Hispanics are natural conservatives also thinks immigration is a menace to the nation."

That's...exactly what I said. Republicans who have no respect for the ethnic and religious history of this country, and instead want their cheap labor force to suppress wages, support immigration. They think these people can be assimilated simply based on deracinated characteristics of the invading group, because they ignore the actual differences between the founding and immigrant Europeans, and these mostly mestizo immigrants.

Blogger Marissa March 20, 2015 7:39 AM  

Also you asked for good advice Christendom should ignore. If you don't like it, go ahead and claim "moving the goalposts" instead of dealing with this insidious libertarian equality doctrine.

Anonymous Eric the Red March 23, 2015 5:05 AM  

The world is engaged in a titanic struggle between the purveyors of theory and the defenders of reality.

Anonymous Heaviside March 26, 2015 4:17 PM  

If you refuse to have your own theory, then you'll just end up unconsciously being used by the one your enemy provides for you.

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