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Friday, March 27, 2015

Tech spying cutting US economic throat

This could bring a rapid end to the continued growth of the global data-mining business:
The European Commission has warned EU citizens that they should close their Facebook accounts if they want to keep information private from US security services, finding that current Safe Harbour legislation does not protect citizen’s data.

The comments were made by EC attorney Bernhard Schima in a case brought by privacy campaigner Maximilian Schrems, looking at whether the data of EU citizens should be considered safe if sent to the US in a post-Snowden revelation landscape.

“You might consider closing your Facebook account, if you have one,” Schima told attorney general Yves Bot in a hearing of the case at the European court of justice in Luxembourg.

When asked directly, the commission could not confirm to the court that the Safe Harbour rules provide adequate protection of EU citizens’ data as it currently stands. The case, dubbed “the Facebook data privacy case”, concerns the current Safe Harbour framework, which covers the transmission of EU citizens’ data across the Atlantic to the US. Without the framework, it is against EU law to transmit private data outside of the EU. The case collects complaints lodged against Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Microsoft-owned Skype and Yahoo.

Schrems maintains that companies operating inside the EU should not be allowed to transfer data to the US under Safe Harbour protections – which state that US data protection rules are adequate if information is passed by companies on a “self-certify” basis – because the US no longer qualifies for such a status.
Fortunately, we can be certain that the federal government would never sacrifice economic growth for centralized regulatory power, right? This could prove a rather serious problem if the one of the proposed engines of US economic recovery turns out to be intrinsically illegal in most of the rest of the world.

I've noticed that between Russia's move away from SWIFT, the support for the Chinese alternative to the IMF, the fall of Yemen, and the complete lack of European support for the USA's adventures in Ukraine, the world appears to be increasingly disinclined to follow the US lead. This does not bode well for the US if it indicates that the global perception of its effective power is on the decline.

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Anonymous Will Best March 27, 2015 3:05 PM  

If the drought in the southwest continues much longer that should make for an interesting test case in federal domestic power.

Anonymous Alexander March 27, 2015 3:11 PM  

But if we don't do all these things, then we might not be the world's leader!

Blogger Noah B March 27, 2015 3:14 PM  

Many of these tech companies thought they were so clever by helping corrupt law enforcement agencies spy on Americans, profiting handsomely from it while ordinary people remained in the dark about what was really happening with their data. These companies deserve every bit of this.

Anonymous Luke March 27, 2015 3:16 PM  

What I'm most looking for on a personal level is when foreign countries (leaving aside protectorates like Kuwait or vassals like the U.K./Japan) refuse to enforce U.S. banking and taxation laws and regulations. This will IMO quickly lead to the U.S. Fedgov ceasing to tax expatriates on their foreign-earned income, in the same manner and for the same reasons that Prohibition failed.

More seriously would be most of the developed world doing to the U.S what I've long thought that the U.S. should do. That is, them sealing us off from their connection to Internet, just as we should have done to Nigeria and Pakistan long ago.

Anonymous ZhukovG March 27, 2015 3:17 PM  

Slowly but surely, the Europeans are finding their 'friendship' with the US to be more liability than benefit.

Once the dollar loses its reserve currency status, they won't even give us the time of day.

Anonymous Michael of Charlotte March 27, 2015 3:34 PM  

"...the world appears to be increasingly disinclined to follow the US lead."

And Obama could not be more pleased.

Anonymous Salt March 27, 2015 3:36 PM  

The Chinese curse of living in interesting times aside, damn it's fascinating watching an Empire crumble. Future historians will have a field day with the data available. If only Rome had had it so good.

Anonymous map March 27, 2015 3:39 PM  

The problem is this: the world economy depends heavily on exporting to the United States. Stunts like an alternative IMF or moving away from SWIFT exists for only a small fraction of transactions. The rest of the world is still foolishly dependent on export-led growth to the one country that does not have severe import restrictions: The United States.

This is why the US dollar is the reserve currency. The US is the world's biggest importer and the first-mover disadvantages of not selling to the US are enormous.

Anonymous Will Best March 27, 2015 3:47 PM  

Once the dollar loses its reserve currency status, they won't even give us the time of day.

Going to be a bit longer than you think since the Euro isn't long for this world.

Anonymous Scintan March 27, 2015 4:01 PM  

Stay off Facebook
Stay off Twitter
Avoid online purchasing as much as possible
Pay cash whenever feasible
Never give personal information to merchants beyond the absolute minimum required

Why does this still need to be said?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis March 27, 2015 4:05 PM  

Slowly but surely, the Europeans are finding their 'friendship' with the US to be more liability than benefit
What's funny is the opposite can be argued as well. What benefit does the US get in supporting Europe via NATO and their subsidized defense or their own military misadventures? I mean lets not forget that even though it was supposed to be a European show with the US taking a back seat in a supporting "role" the US provided the ground intelligence required for such a campaign, deployed 11 naval assets, provided A10 ground aircraft crews among many other assets.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 27, 2015 4:20 PM  

It is amazing how much damage one man can do. Even in a...we'll just call America a republic for the sake of argument.

I had several worst case scenarios for Obama when he took office and he has surpassed all of them. It's been amazing to watch...in a horrifying fashion.

The most amazing part is Democrats inability to face reality about the man.

Blogger Noah B March 27, 2015 4:25 PM  

"I had several worst case scenarios for Obama when he took office and he has surpassed all of them. It's been amazing to watch...in a horrifying fashion."

Considering everything that's happened, I have to say it hasn't been as bad as I expected. The only thing that has surprised me much has been cooperation he's gotten from the Republicans, pitching fits but ultimately funding whatever Obama proposes.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Obamacare and whether or not the Supreme Court buys the argument that the law essentially means whatever the executive branch wants it to mean at any given moment. Most people don't seem to have given any thought to what a rotten precedent that would be.

Blogger Rabbi B March 27, 2015 4:31 PM  

"It's been amazing to watch...in a horrifying fashion."

And just think, two more years to go . . . maybe . . .

OpenID simplytimothy March 27, 2015 4:36 PM  

Once the dollar loses its reserve currency status, they won't even give us the time of day.

Another commenter posted a link to philosophyofmetrics blog and I have been perusing it most days.

The author posits 3 dates as China transitions 1 January 2016 when the transition will be complete, October 2015 when the China International Payment System CIPS is up and running (concurrent with the U.S. Debt Ceiling and associated theater) and the first formal SDR meeting at the IMF in April/May.

I mention this because Vox has stated 2033 (?) as a possible end to the end of they reserve currency status of the FRN based on the lifespand of previous reserve currencies.

IF these actions shake out and the guy at philosophyofmetrics is correct, then we are looking at October through January for that to happen.

I personally hope that it does for the purely selfish reasons of wanting to watch the bastards in congress self-destruct when they cannot float more debt and cannot pay for leviathan anymore.


Anonymous Will Best March 27, 2015 4:39 PM  

And just think, two more years to go . . . maybe . . .

Don't worry President Cruz will save us and set Merica back on the path of righteousness.

Anonymous Will Best March 27, 2015 4:44 PM  

For all the rising dragon stuff, do you honestly think the Europeans are going to trust China? The US may be crooks, but at least we are family. Well until the Muslims take over Europe that is.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 27, 2015 5:17 PM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius March 27, 2015 5:19 PM  

It says something about the state of things, when I look at the world and say, "thank God for France."

Anonymous Curtis March 27, 2015 5:23 PM  

Yeah, well. I suppose no one noticed the acceleration since, gee, Dial Emergency 9-1-1?

It's our freedumb and libertard, ya know?

No one see's our hubris and hypocrisy.

Right or wrong, people are looking for a way out.

The habitation of, you know.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 27, 2015 5:31 PM  

"foreign-earned income," The first 90 some thousand doesn't get taxed by the US. $95,100 for 2012, $97,600 for 2013).

"This is why the US dollar is the reserve currency."
The real reason is that Soros killed the British pound as reserve currency(and profited immensely) after he took away their gun rights, and he set about to do the same in the US.

Blogger Noah B March 27, 2015 5:31 PM  

It says something about the state of things, when I look at the world and say, "thank God for France."

Winston Churchill, 1936

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 27, 2015 5:34 PM  

Ow.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 27, 2015 5:40 PM  

Say what you want about Neville Chamberlin. At least he GOT a piece of paper to waive around.

--Iowahawk

Blogger RBooster Man March 27, 2015 5:43 PM  

OT:
Looks like the vibrant named DNLee doesn't want whites to escape her clutches by leaving Earth. A new take on "diversity means chasing down the last white man (kulak)".
https://storify.com/DNLee5/calling-out-culturally-insensitive-science-narrati?awesm=sfy.co_e0QGI&utm_medium=sfy.co-twitter&utm_content=storify-pingback&utm_campaign=&utm_source=t.co

Blogger luagha March 27, 2015 6:12 PM  

"trust China? The US may be crooks"

The horrible thing is that the US is the least crooked of the gang of them. It won't take long of playing in China's pond before they figure that out.

Anonymous The Obvious March 27, 2015 6:26 PM  

Well until the Muslims take over Europe that is.

What?

Blogger Markku March 27, 2015 6:34 PM  

I happened to overhear a conference call regarding the coming Internet of Things system to be done by one of the biggest corporations in Finland. The actual participants had to sign NDA's. I obviously didn't since I wasn't supposed to hear it, but just to be safe, I won't give further details.

But most of it was about how to keep NSA out of it, by making it an absolute 100% principle to only use Finnish-made devices and subcontractors.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 27, 2015 6:58 PM  

Thank you, RBooster Man. That made me laugh a lot.

Diversity means chasing down the last white -- and not just anywhere on Earth!

Blogger Noah B March 27, 2015 7:00 PM  

"But most of it was about how to keep NSA out of it, by making it an absolute 100% principle to only use Finnish-made devices and subcontractors."

That's a good start, but most of the IC's for these devices are still going to come from Asia, won't they? Reverse engineering a statistically significant number of these to detect hostile undocumented functions, and doing this within acceptable timescales, is no small feat.

Blogger Markku March 27, 2015 7:04 PM  

What's Asia going to do with the information? Some fungible Charlie might as well know everything about me. I'd probably care just about as much as he would care about me knowing everything about fungible Charlie. We live in different worlds.

Blogger Noah B March 27, 2015 7:05 PM  

"What's Asia going to do with the information?"

Sell it to the NSA.

Blogger Markku March 27, 2015 7:06 PM  

The consumer, he cares about NSA. The first thing he is going to ask, if you even dream of bringing one little sensor to his home, is whether or not NSA will be listening. The last thing on his mind is faceless, fungible Charlie.

Blogger Markku March 27, 2015 7:08 PM  

Now me, I would reject it out of hand. I wouldn't trust any attempts to keep NSA out. But the average consumer will be pacified with the knowledge.

Blogger Danby March 27, 2015 7:48 PM  

Anyone who thinks that his refrigerator, door locks, or light switch will somehow be improved by an internet connection is a damned fool. As for allowing internet connected cameras and microphones into my home, oh HELL no. I can live without a 54" television with Netflix on it.

Blogger Noah B March 27, 2015 7:55 PM  

"As for allowing internet connected cameras and microphones into my home, oh HELL no."

Do you own a smartphone, tablet, or laptop made in the last 5-6 years? = )

"I wouldn't trust any attempts to keep NSA out. But the average consumer will be pacified with the knowledge."

If we're talking about marketing rather than engineering -- I have to say that I'm a bit out of touch with the average consumer. I mean, Americans spend far more each year on light beer alone than on small arms and ammo combined. Makes no sense at all.

Blogger bob k. mando March 27, 2015 7:58 PM  

Ellen Pao loses sex discrimination suit:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/jury-kleiner-perkins-not-liable-for-paos-gender-discrimination-claims/

Blogger Markku March 27, 2015 8:00 PM  

It's a big corporation. I mean, maybe they indeed do have the consumer's privacy as the first thing on their minds. If you are able to believe that, then good for you. I'm not quite there myself, although there probably are meds for that.

But what _I_ think is that they want to have an answer to the inevitable NSA question they will be hearing from every friggin' prospective customer out there.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 27, 2015 8:34 PM  

No doubt the syping crap will be an economic disaster for US tech.

But... I just laugh every time someone freaks out about Facebook as some sort of privacy disaster. It's like saying buying a billboard compromises your privacy. No, it doesn't. You put stuff on a billboard so that people will see it. Facebook and Twitter can't "steal" or "leak" anything you don't give them. The paranoia is epic.

Blogger Noah B March 27, 2015 8:45 PM  

Facebook doesn't concern me nearly as much as smart electric meters do.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 27, 2015 8:49 PM  

"As for allowing internet connected cameras and microphones into my home, oh HELL no."

Noah B: "Do you own a smartphone, tablet, or laptop made in the last 5-6 years? = )"

Duct tape.

Og not understand software much. Og not think cameras work through aluminum.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 27, 2015 8:52 PM  

Noah B: "Facebook doesn't concern me nearly as much as smart electric meters do."

Ditto.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 27, 2015 9:18 PM  

"Facebook and Twitter can't "steal" or "leak" anything you don't give them. The paranoia is epic. "

Many people don't know that unless they change it their digital pics might have their gps co ordinates on it.

"Facebook doesn't concern me nearly as much as smart electric meters do."

I know 2 gays with security clearances and I am pretty sure they would be watching to see how many showers happened at their ex's places. The one was still stalking an ex 6 years later, I visited him after being out of the area for a few years and he took me out to the restaurant his ex from 6 years ago worked at. I almost told him I was actually thinking of a good way to say he isn't as much of a drama queen as he used to be after saying that his taste in restaurants has improved "i will have the cordon blue without bodily fluid".

Anonymous zen0 March 27, 2015 9:37 PM  

@ BigGaySteve

I am pretty sure they would be watching to see how many showers happened at their ex's places.


Dear BigGaySteve:

It is a long story, involving bathroom renovations, but I found myself using a homosexual neighbour's shower, ( who is vacationing in Palm Springs,of all places) and there was a lot of complicated equipment and faucets and stuff.

Anyway, I tried to make the shower work and this phallic like thingy in a bracket on the wall shot water straight up into the ceiling....required a lot of mopping up.

What's up with that?

Blogger Markku March 27, 2015 9:40 PM  

I hope it wasn't supposed to shoot that water up where I think it was.

Anonymous zen0 March 27, 2015 10:00 PM  

> I hope it wasn't supposed to shoot that water up where I think it was.

I am pretty sure the ceiling was not supposed to be the recipient, but I would just like some in the know to give me a head's up here, so to speak.

Blogger bob k. mando March 27, 2015 10:26 PM  

no, no i don't think you do.

especially since you already stood in the stall and took a shower ...

Blogger Cee March 27, 2015 10:56 PM  

Looks like the vibrant named DNLee doesn't want whites to escape her clutches by leaving Earth. A new take on "diversity means chasing down the last white man (kulak)".
Wow that was infuriating even just to skim.

Someone tell this bitch to get a graduate degree in science if she's that torn up about not enough high-melanin ladyfolk having access to rocketry.

Blogger Doom March 27, 2015 11:15 PM  

Facebook? Why aren't the rest being mentioned? Proper payoffs and assorted agreements? Any US based tech company has to be considered compromised. All data, all of it, is open to US intelligence, military, police, and is poorly regulated, if at all. Urhm, no, Johnny, in-house overview does not count. Actually, that is why senators and congressmen can no longer choose other than how they are told. 'They know ___________'. Must suck to be a master slave to one's worst natures.

Can a congress critter, or president, even get nominated without having a leash? Doubtful. Same with the media, probably academia if they are rather self-sorted on that matter from long ago.

Anonymous Rolf March 27, 2015 11:25 PM  

"Smart power."

Gott'a love it.

Blogger JCclimber March 28, 2015 12:14 AM  

sounds like America needs a nice big oil crisis to divert world attention....

Anonymous CK March 28, 2015 12:24 AM  

"It is a long story, involving bathroom renovations, but I found myself using a homosexual neighbour's shower."

Unh hunh, yeah, suuuuuurre.

Anonymous Lol March 28, 2015 12:41 AM  

"I am pretty sure the ceiling was not supposed to be the recipient, but I would just like some in the know to give me a head's up here, so to speak."

You can play dumb all you want Zeno you're not fooling anybody here. We know what you were really doing in that bathroom *nod wink*

Anonymous Jack Amok March 28, 2015 1:47 AM  

Many people don't know that unless they change it their digital pics might have their gps co ordinates on it.

One time I upgraded the OS my cell phone and suddenly it started "helpfully" automatically uploading all my photos to a cloud drive.

Anonymous Stilicho March 28, 2015 3:24 AM  

Spare me the faux concern. European govts aren't concerned with the NSA spying on their citizens: they're only concerned with the NSA spying on their citizens without cutting them in on the action.

Anonymous Discard March 28, 2015 6:58 AM  

So what if the economic throat of the U.S. gets cut? Aren't we all looking forward to the Big Reset? I live within my means and I'd rather my country did too.

Anonymous Discard March 28, 2015 7:02 AM  

bob k. mando: Glad to see Ellen Pao's heist failed. I don't care about financial pirates, but if they're to be robbed, I'd rather the robber did not advance a leftist agenda as well.

OpenID simplytimothy March 28, 2015 7:50 AM  

Much like the production of arms, The 'production of other Internets' is something a free people will need. The place to start is the production of circuits, since we must assume that commercial OTS components are compromised--ergo, roll your own component with open-source designs.

Okey-dokey, silocon semiconductor production and design is out of my realm, but, there are printed circuit-boards and I bet that a 3-D printer could print a circuit schema and then the conductors could be 'poured' into it.

http://3dprinting.com/news/carbon3d-reaches-incredible-3d-printing-speeds-with-clip/ caught my eye.

That's the electronics level.

Another level is the network. Google is deploying balloons, meshnets exist, etc....

Now, let's learn something from recent history. Collectivism rots the brain and the culture, DNLee5 is the future and she is not going to maintain what she has, much less create something new; she is not going to mars unless as its as somebody else's science experiment. That means the opportunity for Heinlein's few is at hand.

This should be fun.




Anonymous bill March 28, 2015 8:42 AM  

""As for allowing internet connected cameras and microphones into my home, oh HELL no."

Noah B: "Do you own a smartphone, tablet, or laptop made in the last 5-6 years? = )"

Duct tape."

Titius, how would duct tape stop them from hearing things with the microphone(s)? It seems to me that it would be nearly impossible for the typical person to guarantee that someone isn't listening in unless they took out the battery or did some technical work on the gadget.

Anonymous Luke March 28, 2015 9:00 AM  

zen0 March 27, 2015 9:37 PM

It is a long story, involving bathroom renovations, but I found myself using a homosexual neighbour's [sic] shower, ( who is vacationing in Palm Springs,of all places) and there was a lot of complicated equipment and faucets and stuff.

Anyway, I tried to make the shower work and this phallic like thingy in a bracket on the wall shot water straight up into the ceiling....required a lot of mopping up.

What's up with that?


Bidet for personal hygiene after sodomy in the shower, or for, ah, pleasing bisexual/lesbian visitors who use the shower (gays supposedly have disproportionately many of such as associates), I'm guessing.

Blogger bob k. mando March 28, 2015 10:40 AM  

Luke March 28, 2015 9:00 AM
Bidet for personal hygiene after sodomy



well, the most pleasing option would be 'before sodomy'. i'm assuming not all of them are perverted freaks like Delaney.

nevertheless, you can get athletes foot from showering at the local gym or at a squares house.

hope you bleached that shower before you got in it, zen0.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 28, 2015 10:51 AM  

zen0 "a lot of complicated equipment and faucets and stuff. Anyway, I tried to make the shower work and this phallic like thingy in a bracket on the wall shot water straight up into the ceiling....required a lot of mopping up. "

If you have ever heard the phrase you can love women or understand them, which leftists hate as an answer for "is being gay a choice" , you might not want to understand what goes on in gay showers. You will be glad to know we use less water than Latrina & her 21 crack babies, well unless a NY Times reporter is hiring one of them for sex.

Blogger mmaier2112 March 29, 2015 1:17 AM  

Well this comment section took a queer turn...

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 30, 2015 2:53 AM  

bill: "Titius, how would duct tape stop them from hearing things with the microphone(s)? It seems to me that it would be nearly impossible for the typical person to guarantee that someone isn't listening in unless they took out the battery or did some technical work on the gadget."

I admit a lot of people won't always take out the battery, so you've got a point.

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