Saturday, March 14, 2015

The Left devours itself

The long-anticipated breakdown of the Rainbow Coalition has begun on both sides of the Atlantic. Unfortunately, the White Minority has not really even begun to get into the game. But give them time.
I am a “lefty”. I have voted Labour all my life. I believe in the abolition of public schools and the inviolability of the NHS, and that the renewal of Trident is a vanity project. I believe the state must work to ensure equality of opportunity for all: women, the LBGT “community”, those with disabilities, those of minority cultures and ethnicities, and the working class. The Guardian has been my newspaper forever. I was glad to see the back of the Sun’s Page 3, and I believe there should be more all-women shortlists for parliamentary seats. I believe immigration is more of a positive force than a negative one.

However, you might be less certain about my status when I finish laying out my stall. Because I find myself holding a “transgressive” body of beliefs and doubts alongside my blue-chip leftwing ones that are liable to get me branded a misogynist, an Islamophobe and a Little Englander – at least by people on my Twitter feed, and others of my peer group.... My stance on these issues makes some people in my “tribe” very angry. It is the anger of the pure believer towards the apostate....

One very key element of the liberal left has long been under threat: its liberalism – that is, its willingness to debate with anything outside a narrow range of opinions within its own walls. And the more scary and incomprehensible the world becomes, the more debate is replaced by edict and prejudice: literally pre-judging. Identity politics is one of the most significant developments of the last 50 years, but it has led to nerves being exposed in a way they rarely were by economic issues. Because identity is less about politics and more about that most sensitive of human constructions, the protection of the self – both group and individual.

And the more it becomes about the protection of self, the less it becomes about the back and forth of rational argument. All the beliefs, opinions and doubts I hold are just that: they are ideas, not ironclad convictions. I am not certain about any of them, and am quite willing to change my mind, as I have done many times in the past. But I will not alter them if I am faced with invective rather than debate; in fact, they will become more entrenched.
Meanwhile, in America, the low-intensity power struggle between blacks and browns stretches from Compton, California to Baltimore, Maryland:
A plan that would dedicate two public high schools in suburban Washington to immigrants and students struggling with English is pitting black and Hispanic communities -– usually allies -- against one another.

The Prince George’s County, Md., chapter of the NAACP is strongly opposing the plan -- which would take effect next school year, and cover about 800 students having English language difficulties -- claiming it will pull resources from other students and unfairly redistribute them to Hispanic students. Some critics go so far as to compare the plan to segregation.

“It’s a slap in the face,” Bob Ross, president of the Prince George’s County branch of the NAACP, told

Ross believes the proposal to open two new schools violates the landmark 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision that ruled separate schools for black and white students violated the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. 

“It risks turning Prince George’s County into a segregated school system,” Ross said, adding that he realizes the need for better education in the county but believes it should not come at the cost of existing students.

Latino advocacy group CASA de Maryland sees it differently. The group, which has pushed for the schools, argues that it’s not a violation of the Constitution because the schools are not mandatory and are being built to provide options to immigrants.
One thing that most white people have almost religiously failed to grasp is that Hispanics dislike blacks considerably more than whites do. They completely lack both white guilt and white paternalism, and they view blacks as their primary economic and political competition. As Hispanics begin to bring their numbers to bear on both fronts, they are going to ruthlessly crush the traditional sinecures that white liberals have carved out for their black supporters.

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Anonymous Krul March 14, 2015 7:01 AM  

Fun fact: George Zimmerman is Hispanic.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 14, 2015 7:07 AM  

I know a guy who runs a demolition company and he will hire anybody and he says positively and absolutely you cannot mix blacks and Mexicans, that is the iron law of staffing his crews. Any other mix is ok.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 14, 2015 7:19 AM  

...pitting black and Hispanic communities -– usually allies -- against one another.

That was my morning coffee *splork* for the day. It was good *splork* too, it was noser!

That little bit of whitesplaining is right up there with pitting Mexican and Puerto Rican communities -– usually allies -- against one another.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 14, 2015 7:29 AM  

But in Chicago the first Mexican mayor soon to be just picked up a black endorsement from some warlord preacher, but then again that is because Emanuel and his mob purposely lynched the black politicians the last election in favor of the Elvish SJWs.

Every white gamma SJW is in a political coalition with colored racists, mentioning that because you have been looking for weaknesses in your quest to subdue the New Gamma Rule. Finally a conservative who realizes that the Gammas are not going to be convinced by endless essays of logic and reason, but by force against their weaknesses.

Blogger rumpole5 March 14, 2015 7:40 AM  

"Hispanics dislike blacks". This is not as iron-clad a rule for Hispanics from the Caribbean. In Orlando I had the opportunity to undergo a course of treatment in a clinic staffed entirely by Hispanics, mostly Puerto Ricans, serving Hispanics (and me, a Midwest Honkey). Many of these folks were African in appearance, but I could not discern any bright line distinctions in their interactions with each other. One young fellow there referred to me as " white" when we chatted, even though he appeared Meddeteran/European himself. It is also not unusual for young PR Hispanics to address one another as "Nigger" (I've prosecuted a number of crimes that took place in the Hispanic area of east Orlando). Likewise, my wife of 30 plus years is a native of an English Caribbean island with a large native white population. The race distinctions there between natives are also very complex because almost everyone has some African and Hispanic ancestry, and has close relations who appear " of color" by USA standards.

Anonymous Salt March 14, 2015 8:04 AM  

The left's underprivileged defined voting base will carve them up like a Chicago slaughterhouse. It'll be fun watching them try controlling it.

Anonymous hygate March 14, 2015 8:14 AM  

So the Mexicans want schools where their kids won't have to learn English?

Also, one time when I was in the Army I attended a 9 week training course. The class I was in included one black female and one hispanic female. Good times. Good times.

Anonymous The Spy March 14, 2015 8:23 AM  

The left is going to eat each other and it is going to be fun to watch.

Blacks are slowly coming to a realization now that the Sodomites and Latinos now trump them in the hierarchy of the aggrieved. Even the Transgender mix ups now have more importance on the pyramid of social justice.

These be interesting times, huh?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 14, 2015 8:25 AM  

Vox, is Vladimir now in a war room/ bunker in Yamantau Mountain complex? Hasn't been seen for 8 days. Drills going on everywhere.
Look, When the dolphins, whales and mice took off, it was "so long, and thanks for all the fish" Douglas Adams. If the Net is down tomorrow and forever. Well thanks. You and Mark Steyn have been the most entertaining two sites in my top 50. The lights have been going off in Western Civilization a hundred and twenty odds years now. [a very approximate] That's what Noah was given.
Psalm two simply reads the nations raged and their leaders imagined vain things, casting off history, heritage, identity, and "salvation" Himself. You can chisel that into a grave stone, but there won't be any, just ashes on ashes. If this is it, salutations. cheers. good job.

Anonymous hygate March 14, 2015 8:39 AM  

Blacks are slowly coming to a realization now that the Sodomites and Latinos now trump them in the hierarchy of the aggrieved.

Once in awhile a group of Black ministers will get together and announce that they are not down with the gheys, which will be covered by Fox News, but ignored by all other media sources. Cause what are blacks going to do? Blacks are dependent on government as a class. The black middle class in most big cities are in large part are municipal employees.

Anonymous zen0 March 14, 2015 8:51 AM  

> Hasn't been seen for 8 days.

Is this the millennial version of Where's Waldo?

Anonymous H2 March 14, 2015 9:05 AM  

It's really fun watching left vs left arguments on Facebook by people you know.

Blogger James Higham March 14, 2015 9:09 AM  

It's a constant war. WND had an item on the end of passports - they continuously try to bring down society.

Anonymous Hrw-500 March 14, 2015 9:26 AM  

Who'll get the bigger part of the cake? I could imagine the narrator from the 1966 Batman tv series saying "Stay tune for next week, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel". ;-)

On a off-topic sidenote, I spotted this on Mike Smith's Political Commentairy blog.

Anonymous ZhukovG March 14, 2015 9:31 AM  

I believe it was Fred Reed who pointed out that a race war in the US would not necessarily involve whites.

As for Putin, why would he start a war when everything is going his way?

Anonymous My Dead Gramps March 14, 2015 9:33 AM  

It's a similar story with Gamergate: while the good folks on Chan who kicked it off are largely reactionary, most gamers in the 18-30 range regard themselves as left leaning libertarians, in that they tend to have little to no regard for tradition (e.g. apathetic to something like gay marriage) and have little patience for being preached to about morality.

What I find curious is how infighting among an identity, whether it be ideology, race/ethnicity/nation is that there's a hell of a lot more bloodletting and very little mercy than fighting a traditional enemy. See: American Civil War, French revolution, Russian/Sino Commies. Hell, Brevik had a high kill count for a lone wolf.

And we all know how often the religion of peace like to clean house (do they ever stop?)

Anonymous Al Sharpton March 14, 2015 9:36 AM  

Resistir tenemos mucho!

Anonymous Anubis March 14, 2015 9:37 AM  

"that the renewal of Trident is a vanity project"

Does he mean Operation Trident the special SWAT team to deal with black gun crime in London? Oh wait he is talking about UK's Submarines, yea why would an island nation want subs? At least Labour changed its slogan from the lying "Hardworking Britain Better off" to "indigenous little white girls for 3rd world muslims"

"its liberalism – that is, its willingness to debate with anything outside a narrow range of opinions within its own walls."

Even more disingenuous is there anyone alive old enough to deny this being revisionist history? I would be more inclined to believe people got turned into lampshades and soap.

H2 "It's really fun watching left vs left arguments on Facebook by people you know."

To be fair you should black knight both sides.

While Hispanics are smarter than blacks only those from Spain, Argentina, and Cuba(the right side of the bell curve fled Castro) seem to be able to maintain civilization. Yes I know about Argentina's 2 currency collapses so the bar is that low.

Blogger WildClaw March 14, 2015 9:47 AM  

Asians might not admit it, but they have a slight dislike for both blacks and Hispanics. The problem is that ther is no pan Asian alliance. The Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Indians are al somewhat prejudiced against each other. Anyone one knows how a diverse country like Brazil or the Caribbean Nations deal with this kind of racial tension?

Anonymous Anubis March 14, 2015 9:49 AM  

"Asians might not admit it, but they have a slight dislike for both blacks and Hispanics"

What do you mean Asians might not admit it they are the most vocal race realists out there.

Blogger WildClaw March 14, 2015 9:58 AM  

Asian Americans don't want to be politically incorrect and there fore be labeled racists. The ones in America are a bit less confrontational. At least that's the impression I'm getting from the middle class ones.

Blogger hank.jim March 14, 2015 10:09 AM  

Left versus left means the left won and the right is no where to be seen. Or better, the race argument has went so far left, it is on the right side. We are back to segregation.

Anonymous meh March 14, 2015 10:09 AM  

"its liberalism – that is, its willingness to debate with anything outside a narrow range of opinions within its own walls."

That kind of old style liberalism in Britain has been dead for almost a century. What the writer means is that it used to be possible to carry on rational conversations within the narrow confines of British leftism, ie a social democrat could carry on a rational debate with a liberal democrat, but no one to the right of that "consensus" was given the time of day, much less given equal time and fair play within any kind of public debate, or frankly even be admitted to being a member of the human race, by the left. The left has had a long post-war monopoly over control of the Megaphone, and its nice to see them going after each other for a change. Hopefully their control of the Megaphone will be destroyed before we reach the Leftist Singularity.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey March 14, 2015 10:11 AM  

Hispanics might be useful allies or mercenaries in our efforts to clean out black and white liberal neighborhoods.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat March 14, 2015 10:30 AM  

I believe in the abolition of public schools and the inviolability of the NHS

These two issues (schools and healthcare) point out the key sticking points of every socialist-leaning "jealous" leftist I've ever encountered. They never, ever want anyone else to have access to anything better than they can get with their own money (or, preferably, with yours).

Now, people will try to cover this with concern for the poor, but that's just a cover. Push them just a hair, and the jealousy angle comes clear. The "public school" quote is a key here. In England, "public schools" are really private schools not run by churches, and theoretically open to public admission. (They're equivalent to the tier 1 boarding schools here in the US.) British leftists hate the public schools because someone else (or their kids) are getting a better education than they/their kids get. Likewise, private hospitals let "the rich" get better medical care than the masses, and that just cannot be done.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, et. al, have been willing to ride the Democratic train in the US, because they too are willing to put up with blacks not advancing if whites "get what's coming to them", and blacks continue to ride the welfare train.

US Hispanics aren't willing to be satisfied with sticking it to the man; they want to advance. The liberals in these groups tend to be "greedy" rather than "jealous"; they want more instead of caring particularly that others get less. (Not completely, I know, but work with me here.)

As long as the government trough was filling, the greedy and the jealous could make common cause. Now, the benefits the jealous get prevent the greedy from getting what they want, and the greedy are provoking the jealous (they're getting stuff we can't ask for). As Uncle Sugar keeps running out of money to throw around, this will just get worse.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 14, 2015 11:03 AM  

hank.jim: "Left versus left means the left won and the right is no where to be seen."

It's a black dog and a brown dog fighting over which gets more of a white sheep.

Blogger cavalier973 March 14, 2015 11:10 AM  

Anyone know how a diverse country like Brazil or the Caribbean Nations deal with this kind of racial tension?


Anonymous Earl March 14, 2015 11:25 AM  

More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics:

Blogger John S March 14, 2015 11:29 AM  

One thing that most white people have almost religiously failed to grasp is that Hispanics dislike blacks considerably more than whites do.

You don't say...

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 14, 2015 11:37 AM  

I've worked for years around Blacks and Mexicans. Mexicans hate the Blacks for many reasons......they're lazy, they do drugs, they're thieves. I work in construction and there are only a few black guys who will actually work. Your average Mexican will out work 3-4 black guys. I'm white, grew up around mexicans, speak fluent idiomatic Spanish, as married a black woman. So, I'm familiar with all three cultures. Anyone with any sense can see the implosion of black society. Here in Texas, blacks are being pushed out of neighborhoods and the Hispanics are colonizing. They literally call blacks animales, and they actually have more guns than the blacks. What I've noticed over the years is that the blacks make a lot of threat gestures, whereas the Hispanics will quietly bury the problem. Literally. They don't trust the police to take care of their problems. So they become "los desparacidos". You know it as the disappeared. One culture is vibrant, the other is dying. You see, they view blacks as problematic dogs. Everyone knows what happens. They say they went to Dallas to get rich. Just a viewpoint from the ground here in Texas. I'll say guys from the country will work. The city guys won't. They just want to drink and deal drugs.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 14, 2015 11:48 AM  

Plump Pleasant Plumber: "They don't trust the police to take care of their problems."

Evidence that mestizos are intelligent.

Blogger kurt9 March 14, 2015 12:01 PM  

A quote from Robert Heinlein is relevant here:

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

Anonymous Red Comet March 14, 2015 12:04 PM  

Mexico, Central, and South America keep racial peace by promoting national identity and because most of the people identify themselves as Mestizos.

The Mestizos are a mixed race of European, native, and a small amount from African slaves. This is broadly applied to everyone from the 90% white Mexican soap opera actor to the 90% native short brown dude that cuts grass in your subdivision.

Standard genetics still apply though. By this I mean Latin America's political, business, and entertainment classes are mostly (and often pure) European while the lower classes have the most native blood or are almost pure black.

Higher IQ will always be more successful than lower IQ. This is also why Asians slightly outperform whites in the US and why Jews become the richest and most successful people no matter where they move on the planet.

It's ironic that Marxist leftists always accuse their enemies of science denial when the class struggle they believe in is nothing but an illusion born from the denial of science behind IQ and genetics.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 14, 2015 12:07 PM  

Well, in Mexico they call a bribe "la mordita". The little bite. The police belong to whoever is paying them.Your average Mexican knows better than involve them in their business. Here in the USA, the rich fight it out in the courts for the most part. In Mexico, assassination is an art form. And.......the newspapers and video show every bloody drop on the bodies. So, we have a large, growing culture that has been trained from infancy that killing is an everyday fact of life. One of the first things a vato from Mexico buys when he gets here is a gun. Then they buy a car. Gun first. And they smile. Most Hispanic families that I personally know have a strong patriarchal core. It's a major advantage. The Cartels aren't any different than any major international conglomerate. Yes, there's a Cartel presence here. They have different stickers in their back windows. The Dead Maria is a big one. So, let's see.......well armed Hispanics who kill as necessary, versus black street thugs with subnormal reasoning skills......that's the view from here

Anonymous cent March 14, 2015 12:13 PM  

Asians are racist, but pragmatist. This means they will play the game as it is and not choose sides until winners are more apparent and risk of losing is lower. Most asian cultures are old and mostly been bureaucratic/fascism in nature with losers paying the price, so being patient has been ingrained in their makeup. btw, I am mostly talking about East Asians.

Anonymous Statists are so dull March 14, 2015 12:15 PM  

The leaders of the left just assume that if you believe state trumps individual in one area of life you're probably stupid enough to apply it universally. And that's generally true.

I can't see what the first "lefty" guy is so butthurt about. He wants a group of self-serving sociopaths to control his health and his education but not his religion or who gets to see his daughter naked in the changing rooms. Surely if you abdicate responsibility for your own life, those you put in charge get to decide what they decide on your behalf? Otherwise I would like a tax rebate for the public schooling and health care (I'm in Eurostan) I don't use and for all those social policies I don't support and still be a good "lefty".

Leftism is abasement to the Greater Good - You don't then get to complain about what they do and don't control.

Anonymous p-dawg March 14, 2015 12:18 PM  

Look at Compton today. The birthplace of NWA, one of the two places rap music and hip hop were invented, an enclave of blackness in a sea of now almost entirely Mexican.

Anonymous Gary March 14, 2015 12:20 PM  

I can't offer a large opinion here since I don't think the sample size is large enough. Most of the "hispanics" I work with are generally hard workers if short of initiative at times. That being said there have been one or two that were slackers and shown the door when they did not get the message. On the black side of the ledger, older blacks (including my step-father) were work horses you could depend on and took pride in their work. I don't see that in the younger ones who either think you are disrespecting them or are always trying to get away with something even if warned several times. I did just hire a woman who is black but looking at her application I get the impression she is a hard worker, has gone to school to improve herself and is reliable as the day is long. Her english is also excellent. I suspect she is not "african american" based on her features, english and attitude.

Blogger mmaier2112 March 14, 2015 12:21 PM  

"Well, watch out, you know that Michelle Obama looks like she's from the cast of `Planet of the Apes,"

Hey... that wetback has a point!

Anonymous Gary March 14, 2015 12:24 PM  

I think a number of black women are attractive, M.O. is NOT one of them. There is an internal ugliness that just radiates from her like heat off blacktop in the summertime.

Anonymous Dan in Tx March 14, 2015 12:31 PM  

The second part about the schools just sounds like fighting over who gets the shit whitey is paying for.

Anonymous Dan in Tx March 14, 2015 12:34 PM  

@ P.P. Plumber: That pretty much matches up with my observations as well.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit March 14, 2015 12:34 PM  

Why M.O. is NOT one of them?

Blogger hank.jim March 14, 2015 12:41 PM  

The joke when I grew up was the Hispanics are lazy and the Blacks will steal. How times have changed. The Hispanics did say they will take over. Seems to be more likely than not. They got a Black President doing their bidding.

Anonymous Gee Had March 14, 2015 12:42 PM  

What's the American dream?

Ten million blacks swimming to Africa with a Hispanic under each arm.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 14, 2015 12:43 PM  

"The Prince George’s County, Md., chapter of the NAACP is strongly opposing the plan -- which would take effect next school year, and cover about 800 students having English language difficulties -"

Why wouldn't an ESL school include most blacks? Rachel Jeantel doesn't have "English language difficulties"?

Blogger S1AL March 14, 2015 12:46 PM  

Every Hispanic guy I know days that whichever party solves the immigration issue will win the Hispanic vote for 20 years, which is equivalent to holding the swing vote in 10 states.

Interestingly, all of the legal immigrants are more opposed to amnesty than most swpl types, or even your typical moderate.

Blogger mmaier2112 March 14, 2015 12:58 PM  

hank.jim March 14, 2015 12:41 PM
The joke when I grew up was the Hispanics are lazy and the Blacks will steal. How times have changed. The Hispanics did say they will take over. Seems to be more likely than not. They got a Black President doing their bidding.

That's a funny point. Even before the Illegal Alien President was re-faux-elected, he was pushing amnesty. How's black America like that?

Anonymous Susan March 14, 2015 1:06 PM  

To those wondering where Putin is, he has been found, along with his baby momma girlfriend in a private clinic in either Switzerland or Northern Italy. Vlad is now a dad.

Just the reactions of the two groups to the news that two schools are planned for immigrants is very telling. The Hispanics see it as an opportunity to better themselves, the blacks see it through the glasses of race. That is why the Hispanics will come out on top in this whole mess. They might work with you for awhile, but if they see that opportunity to better themselves, they will drop you as an ally in a hot NYC minute.

When I was in high school back in 1972, even then it was interesting to watch the interplay between blacks, Hispanics and whites. Only thing the black and Hispanic girls could agree on as far as I could tell, was that white girls did NOT know how to fight. In their opinion, white girls wasted their time with the scratching, hair pulling and kicking, while the two other groups actually punched and beat their opponent down. Even at that time, these two ethnic groups had no respect for white girls. Unless a white girl did something socially egregious, the minority girls did not consider beating up white girls a worthwhile use of their time.

Anonymous Rolf March 14, 2015 1:22 PM  

Wildclaw - when the new world (the Americas) was being colonized / settles, there were two very distinct populations hitting the beach. In North America it was largely family groups coming over as groups to settle, essentially as self-contained tribes. Think the Pilgrims and what-not. They kept their marriages within the tribe. There was a very distinct sense of "self" and "other." Central and South America was largely hit at first by missionaries and mercenaries, looking for converts and conquest. Think conquistadores looting for gold and slaves, with missions targeting the heathens, i.e., lots of single, ambitious young men. There was a LOT of hook-up / rapes / interbreeding / whatever you want to call it, because the only hotties around were the local chicks. So the sense of "tribe/self" and "other" that was formed is far different from the "one drop" rule in NA, because just about everyone is an ethnic mix to one degree or another.

Anonymous Wildclaw March 14, 2015 1:31 PM  

@Rolf. Makes sense. But I bet that there's still some racial tension in Brazil, even though race might be more fluid there. Here's a question. WOuld you rather live in the US with sharp racial divisions or in Brazil with blurrier racial divisions.

Blogger ScuzzaMan March 14, 2015 1:39 PM  

It's long been my view that "liberal" is the most-abused word in politics. On the left, in particular.

It's a tribal signifier and little else. What little other meaning it holds is to signal a fixed laundry list of positions (see the quoted author's nonsense about the inviolable nature of the NHS, for example) which cannot be questioned if one seeks endorsement of your claim to the label.

Which, in itself, tells you all you need to know about people who stridently self-identify using this term.

What galls me about it is not that such deceptive labels abound in politics - that is, after all, the nature of the beast - but the enormity of historic ignorance it represents.

A liberal was one who questioned authority - all authority - rather than meekly submitting to it. Challenged power wherever it could be found. Thought for themselves, reasoned for themselves, reached their own conclusions and kept their own counsel.

Of course they were as rare in the hey day of the term as they are now, but at least there was a moment, a brief scintilla in time, when children were actually taught what the word means and why it is important, why it is so vital to be one.

I have to admit to appreciating the irony, that one must needs be educated about history in order to understand why being a (real) liberal is so vital to being a human being worthy of the qualifier "sapiens", but then I'm a lifelong sucker for irony.


OT: on another note, recent conversation here has had me thinking about the feelbad and how it maps to so many social disasters of our times. I've long been a fan of the work of Sniff n The Tears, as 70s/80s band whose lead singer and songwriter was something of a mad genius.The song "One Love" struck me in retrospect as being Red Pill before there was Red Pill. This is how it goes:

Got this monkey sittin right on your shoulder,
Do I respect your ideals?
Took out the reason from all that I told ya,
said "How does it feel?"

That's just the first verse. It's a guy, natch, complaining to/about his woman.

The second verse is more ironic political, but riffing on the theme nonetheless, and still topically evergreen:

News from the battle front stares out from my paper
People die for ideals
But I got a better way, dont tell 'em I told ya
I eat between meals

The third verse comes back strong, and applies not only to male/female relations, but to the whole gamut of ideological warfare swirling around us:

No harm believin what you want to believe in
No harm at all in all that
But I'd be deceivin myself to believe in
what you do, so what do I get?

That's real rabbit hunting stuff. The rabbit believe what they're told, what their authority (their feelings of belonging need) tells them to believe. But I can't do it, so I don't.

If Vox doesn't mind my hijacking the thread, I'd be interested in other reader's views on similar musical favourites?

Blogger Moor March 14, 2015 1:47 PM  

I'll simply add my own anecdote, which involves a brother in El Paso who married into a Mexican/Italian family. According to his wife, the resentment and dislike that Mexicans have/feel toward African Americans is very strong and the racism runs deep.

My brother is a Liberal, and he says that it's all the fault of the White Man. I don't argue because it wouldn't be worth it.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 14, 2015 2:08 PM  

Speaking from experience, I've watched a mixed crew of mexicans and blacks together. The mexicans were all business digging the forms out, getting a slab ready to pour, while the blacks were literally selling Crack to passersby. It's worse now than it used to be. Stereotypes are common wisdom, ignored at your peril.

Blogger MATT March 14, 2015 2:16 PM  

Gary, it doesn't matter that Mexicans are hard workers. It doesnt matter that tamales and sopes taste good. They vote overwhelmingly for government intrusion, have no understanding of the philosophy behind the beliefs of the Founders, and pur country is bankrupt. Every immigrant that comes here is replacing an american who is here already. Theyre not an addition. Theyre a replacement.

TO THE SOUTHERNERS/MIDWESTERNERS/ALL NON NYERS AND CALIFORNERS: How bad is the mexican incadion where you are? If I callef some companies looking for estimates for work to be done on my house, new concrete, paving stones, or stucco etc, roughly what percentage would be Brown labor? Does it matter if its a city area versus rural?

Ive heard the city vs. rural argument before, but after working in Sag Harbor one summer, I call BS. Ecuadorians everywhere.

Blogger kurt9 March 14, 2015 2:19 PM  

Its been my experience that liberals learn only as a result of hard personal suffering. They do not learn any other way.

Anonymous Gary March 14, 2015 2:40 PM  

"Gary, it doesn't matter that Mexicans are hard workers."

Matt I offered no real opinion aside from what I observed, also I used the term "hispanics" for good reason. I don't know where the majority of them come from.

I'm up here in the North East and the majority of people who walk off the street looking for jobs are either hispanic or black. I get very few white applying for jobs in this area. To be honest I do keep the riff raff out as best able (certain things I look for on applications, don't tell the boss!) but this just prevents trouble down the road.

I take YOU MUST BE FLUENT IN ENGLISH seriously and is enough for me to not look at an applicant if I have any inkling your command of the Queens English sucks.


Blogger hank.jim March 14, 2015 2:51 PM  

"My brother is a Liberal, and he says that it's all the fault of the White Man"

It is a true statement. Why bring blacks here? Why allow Hispanics here? Why bring Chinese here? We did these things to fuel big business. It's time to consider the future and not look at the past.

Blogger Torial March 14, 2015 3:10 PM  

Matt -- having come from Iowa, I'd say certain areas (cities w/ meat packing plants for example) had higher concentrations than other areas. Here's an image that a local radio host shared on illegal immigrant populations in the states:

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 14, 2015 3:13 PM  

Thing is, boys who are raised by women don't work well. There's something missing in them. They're not masculine. White, black, or brown, if a man wasn't part of their upbringing, they're damaged goods. Women produce feminised boys. As such, from a societal viewpoint, they ain't worth much. It's like they're raised on a mangina plantation. Trying to work one is hopeless. I really think that they aren't producing enough testosterone. Too flighty, amongst other problems. Hispanic boys from a Patriarchal background, well, they work just fine. They have an intact family unit that they're proud of. Smart old boys learn how to network in such situations. I can butcher a goat quicker than most. I was raised killing goats. It's a big deal at a barbacoa. See, I'm culturally fluent as well. Black guys won't learn Spanish. I've only known two who spoke Spanish in my 58 years of life. White kids aren't any better. The future belongs to hard working fertile folks.

Anonymous Heh March 14, 2015 3:16 PM  

"Black guys won't learn Spanish"

They won't learn English either.

Blogger MATT March 14, 2015 3:19 PM  

PPP true, and its hard to find a white American 19 yr old who can compete with a 19 yr old Mexican who started working when he was 12.

After a certain amount of conditioning, they even out, but to a contractor, he just wants immediate cheap results and someone who will do everything he says regardless of how dangerous.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 14, 2015 3:27 PM  

"These two issues (schools and healthcare) point out the key sticking points of every ... "jealous" leftist I've ever encountered. They never, ever want anyone else to have access to anything better than they can get with their own money (or, preferably, yours)."

Its not jealousy its envy. Jealousy can be sated by stealing my big screen TV but envy is destructive & wishes me to be unable to replace it. When they speak of equality they mean "No one is better than I".
When Mexican president Calderon said "where there are Mexicans there is Mexico" some people got mad thinking he wanted to grab land but in reality he was just noticing the kind of environment they create is the same as in their homeland.
1. Litter-Check
2. Crime/corruption- Check
3. Ruled by drug dealers- check
4- Age of consent 13- DUIs & child rape are their main crimes that are prosecuted.
5. Rooster fights/ women + male donkey shows ??? Even when dating Mexicans in Texas I didn't spend much time in the barrios to know. One thing is that Mexicans think everyone steals cars as often as they do but Asians & whites are able to bribe the cops.

Anonymous Ostar March 14, 2015 3:31 PM  

Hispanics in the Los Angeles Unified School District make up 74% of the students. Blacks, 9%, Whites, 9%.

I didn't know it was THAT high already. I found out because of a news story about a dozen high school students being arrested for sexual assault on campus. Since they didn't mention name or race, I assumed it meant they were black as per standard media procedure in this instances. Now I'm thinking they were Hispanic, and this is the new, improved, media procedure now.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 14, 2015 3:40 PM  

Nope, the white boys will never catch up. As for asking someone to do something dangerous, well, I'm not going to jail. The only people I know worth taking on as apprentices are Hispanic. I've already mentioned why. Fact is, white folks were able to run the mexicans out of different territories due to the fact that they fought better, and had healthier troops. Well, white society is destroying itself due to feminist rebellion. So, birthrates tell the tale. Babies raised in a Patriarchal society.

Blogger Moor March 14, 2015 4:13 PM  


My brother means it differently than you as far as I can tell. His narrative is that the oppression of the White Man, who has (in his mind) hoarded all the resources for himself and left the scraps to be fought over, is the cause of the animosity between Blacks and Hispanics.

Lost on him, of course, is that he's a white man who keeps all his resources to himself, gives nothing to charity, is happy to cheat or lie to get ahead if it suits him, and harbors a host of prejudices against Christians and Conservatives. In his own mind, he's a rational, objective, thoughtful and educated observer of the world who just calls it like it is...

Anonymous Ain March 14, 2015 4:23 PM  

The Spy: "The left is going to eat each other and it is going to be fun to watch."

Of course, a group that's predicated upon gorging itself on the public dole is going to come apart when they need to fight over slices of the pie.

OpenID simplytimothy March 14, 2015 5:49 PM  

Nope, the white boys will never catch up.

The Wall Street Journal has the pro-invasion labor slogan "Doing the jobs Americans will not do" I always finish the thought with "at that price"

How much of that "work ethic" you so admire is a result of the money you pocket with off-the-books labor?

Anonymous FP March 14, 2015 7:11 PM  

"These two issues (schools and healthcare) point out the key sticking points of every ... "jealous" leftist I've ever encountered. They never, ever want anyone else to have access to anything better than they can get with their own money (or, preferably, yours)."

Government run schools are the leftists' house of worship. Attacking public schools in any manner means you're attacking their faith as those are the indoctrination centers for leftist beliefs.

The left will go after some summer bible camp that had kids praying for president Bush but ignore a public school music teacher in NJ teaching kids to sing a song about president Obama after his first election. "Barack Hussein Obama... mmm... mmm..mmm".

Blogger Chris Mallory March 14, 2015 8:53 PM  

"TO THE SOUTHERNERS/MIDWESTERNERS/ALL NON NYERS AND CALIFORNERS: How bad is the mexican incadion where you are? If I callef some companies looking for estimates for work to be done on my house, new concrete, paving stones, or stucco etc, roughly what percentage would be Brown labor? Does it matter if its a city area versus rural?"

I had a house built last year. I live in a fairly rural area outside a regional hub small city (25k in the city, 75k in the county).
Most of the work was done by white contractors using white labor. The bricklayer had whites doing the skilled labor, blacks working as hod carriers and shoveling sand for the cement, and a semi retarded Mexican doing scut work. Every thing else from framing to finish was done by whites. Even the guy who did the finishing dirt/drainage work used a couple of white guys for labor.

Blogger MATT March 14, 2015 9:11 PM  

Chris Mallory, you're making me cry.

Simplytimothy, PPP runs a crew of Mexicans, refuses to take on a young white kid and potentially change the poor bastards life, and married a black woman. Pocketing the difference hardly enters into the equation.

Anonymous SDH March 14, 2015 9:20 PM  

PPP: "I welcome our new insect overlords and I cook a mean goat!"

Anonymous Atombum March 14, 2015 9:35 PM  

`Letter from General Custer to Libbies` parents, October 5,1865, from Hempstead,,Texas: ...I am in favor of elevating the negro to the extant of his capacity and in intelligence, and of our doing everything in our power to advance the race morally and mentally as well as physically, also socially. But I am opposed to making this advance by correspondly debasing any portion of the white race. As to trusting the negro of the southern states with the most sacred and responsible privilege - the right of suffrage- I should as soon think of elevating an Indian Chief to the Popedom of Rome. All advocates of giving suffrage to the southern negro should visit these these states and see for themselves. From the few northern papers we receive here I read good accounts of the industry and good conduct of the Freedman and of the happy working of the new order of things. I would not place too much reliance on these statements.I have travelled over a considerable portion of this State and of Louisiana, and have found no recognized system of labor. Planters are losing extensive and valuable crops because negros refuse to work. To deprive one of wage has no effect, so long as he gets enough to eat and drink. I regard the solution of the negro problem as involving difficulty and requiring greater statemanship than any any political matter that has arisen for many years...` -John M. Carroll,`Custer in Texas:An Interrupted Narrative`,SOL LEWIS-LIVERIGHT, New York, 1975. p.121

Anonymous Rastus March 14, 2015 10:10 PM  

"Black guys won't learn Spanish"

They won't learn English either.


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Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 14, 2015 10:22 PM  

Matt, I work by myself. Never have had a crew. Do you have any idea just how rare a young white guy is in construction in Texas? Mainly Mexicans. As for pocketing money, well, that ain't happening. Have you looked at all the tatted up young white guys nowadays? I have tatts myself, but they ain't in your face. Folks don't want to deal with all of that. I just write about what I've seen. Yeah, I can cook a mean bit of goat, but generally I just help dress them out. You see, everyone helps at a barbacoa. And, btw, I ain't into raising some white kid, teaching him a trade. Here's the reason.....these white guys have absolutely no sense of loyalty. Training a man is a serious investment of time and effort.

Anonymous sdh March 14, 2015 10:56 PM  

Loyalty is a two way street and it's plain to see who you stand with.

Anonymous Discard March 14, 2015 10:59 PM  

The young Whites who would have learned a skilled trade 50 years ago nowadays go to college and get business degrees and go to work in offices. Bureaucracy has swallowed up our productive class and put them to work as economic eunuchs, leaving the dregs to do, poorly, much of the physical work. Take away bureaucracy and PPP would have his pick of motivated and able Whites.

Blogger WildClaw March 14, 2015 11:48 PM  

Relax. This is capitalism at work here. He's hiring minorities because he can get mroe value out of them at a lower cost. Of course we could reject capitalism, but with the rise of libertarians, and the hatred of commies, capitalism is gonna exist in a while. If a White person could earn his as much money, he'd hire him. But they can't. It's not a personal decision. It's an economic decision.

Blogger WildClaw March 14, 2015 11:53 PM  

*exist for a while

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 15, 2015 12:07 AM  

Actually, I'm used as an interpreter. Don't hire anyone. Part of My gig is talking with the various workers for several different contractors. Once again, I just write about what I see happening. Most young white guys want an inside job. They sure as hell don't want to be out working on a new house in the hot sun. Now, I help different folks when they're looking for a crew. But these crews are part of the familia. They help me find work, too. Insofar as to loyalty, white folks have a bad habit of remembering who helps them. Hispanics don't. Black guys approach everything with a huge chip on their shoulder. Kinda hard to feel for someone who despises you. When I was growing up, white people didn't speak Spanish, really. I did, and so I was fortunate. I spent a lot of time and effort becoming fluent. Basically, most Mexicans just want a better future for their kids. Ever so often I have to talk to some recent arrivals about how they have to act here. In Mexico, women are basically property. That doesn't fly here. However, most have heard of feminists. So, I tell them that marriage here is taking a snake to their be careful. I need to mention that a lot of the young white guys around here are tatted up speed freaks. Lots of conservative types here who don't want to see that.

Blogger WildClaw March 15, 2015 12:22 AM  

@PPP Do you have any control on which of the people get hired? If so, why would you recommend anyone to hire a group that generally doesn't perform as well as another group?

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 15, 2015 12:54 AM  

Okay, I'll bite, or, at least, nibble the hook.....someone I work for will ask me if I know a sheetrocker. Okay, I call a guy whose a part of a large familia....they have like 25 carpenters in their extended family.....anyways, I'll ask him, and, hey, he might have a nephew that needs some work.....that nephew ain't fixin' to mess up the job.....because his familia is involved. Wives, kids and all, we might be talking about 3-400 people. These folks cooperate to survive. They help me get work, and the circle continues. Man, the drama I've seen with black workers is unreal. They deal drugs at work, and here's a big one, their baby mama's show up at a job looking for child support😂. This young black guy had actually gotten a job at the post office, but he had to wait 3 or 4 months to start, right? So, he was working on a black concrete crew. Running with some thugs that sure liked riding around in his new car. Okay, I show up at a job, fixing to start on a house, and this kid shows up with a shot up car, blood all over the passenger side and such. A real mess. He asks me what he should do. I asked him if the police were looking for him. Nope, he said. So, I told him to get to a detail shop to get the blood out before it dried. Turns out one of the thugs didn't want to pay for some fronted dope. The kid went off the deep end. I really don't need the drama in my life. Ivery worked for a black contractor who has no use for blacks. Seriously. Now he's a guy who's gonna get the most out of an economic opportunity, that's for sure. But he was exposed to successful rich people at an early age, and kept his mouth shut and learned a lot about money. A very rare sort, to be sure.

Blogger MATT March 15, 2015 1:12 AM  

What kind of horrible place do you live in??

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 15, 2015 1:59 AM  

Texas ain't the problem. Rather, if you've been paying attention, young boys who weren't raised by a man are disfunctional. This black kid had it made. He was gonna be on the government title for a good ride. But he didn't have a father. I worked around some of his relatives. There are a few Black families around here that are very successful. But they don't act like black thugs either. They don't act entitled. Black UMC. Pleasant folks to deal with. You see, when I go on a job, and the familia is there, I eat lunch with them, jabbering away in Spanish. They hand me a hot pepper, and I wolf it down. They watch to see if I have tears in my eyes. They ask me what I think about some guy, and the price he wants to pay. So I tell them my opinion. Sometimes, we won't work for a guy. This one contractor had a bad reputation that I wasn't aware of. After he left, they told me he ripped some of their friends off. Okay, no dice. Insofar as to the black drama, it's pretty much a black thing. Nationwide, I'd say. They were never taught how to work, and they've never had positive male role models. I've worked all over as a plumber. From California to Florida. Different scenery, but folks are similar. The Black family really is in deep trouble. Lower class whites aren't doing any better. Women can't raise boys. Sure there are exceptions, but not many. Boys have to have a successful male presence. Plain fact. Feminists can rant and rave, and manginas can swoon, but that's irrelevant.

Blogger WildClaw March 15, 2015 2:00 AM  

Hmmm I understand now. Hispanics are more reliable and remember favors. Though blacks had much more intact families in the early 20th century. I wonder what happened. Anyways, based on your description of blacks, your wife must have been different from the usual stock. Though...I'd imagine that I'd want to marry a Hispanic simply for the family connections.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 15, 2015 2:16 AM  

Wildclaw, my ex is a chronic depressive who became a Jehovah's Witness. Hard to describe all the whack things she came up with. I helped put her thru school. She had to go to UT for nursing. It was really something to see. As to what has happened to the black family, that's really simple. LTD and welfare. Here's a nasty little fact about black society. A lot of black women make a whole lot more money than the men. They went to college, and do okay. My ex was a registered respiratory therapist. When she wanted to become an RN, she had to completely start back all over in college. She had been out for 18 years, and the cutoff was 15 years. After it was all said and done, she didn't need a nasty plumber. Oh well.....after the divorce, she's been homeless twice. She won't get help. She will lose her nurses license if she goes on medications. Anyways, I got to see a lot in her family. She had two nieces. One started having kids at 14, the other at 16. Seriously. No one in her family would do anything about it. Drugs and prostitution have done a number in her family. So, think I'll deal with Hispanics.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 15, 2015 2:18 AM  

Meant LBJ. Lyndon Baines Johnson. The worst politician Tha Black family ever encountered.

OpenID simplytimothy March 15, 2015 7:54 AM  

The young Whites who would have learned a skilled trade 50 years ago nowadays go to college and get business degrees and go to work in offices.

I see plenty of unused American labor capital; young men eager to make something of their lives. They are not made for college or a business degree and are well suited for skilled craftsmanship jobs. Jobs that the COC want's going to mexicans.

Relax. This is capitalism at work here. He's hiring minorities because he can get mroe value out of them at a lower cost.

It is "Free-Trade" at work here; there is no loyalty to the men who fought and labored for our land. The pukes who inhabit the WSJ, the GOPe and the COC only see marginal increases in their balance sheets from reduced labor costs. You are so focused on the dying FRN you are destroying the nation that made it possible.

The short-sightedness and disloyalty of you guys angers me.

Blogger MATT March 15, 2015 1:45 PM  

Simplytimothy you just dont understand. All the young white guys are meth dealing tattoo armed knuckleheads.

My feeling is the "good ones" joined the union. As is the case everywhere.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 15, 2015 2:04 PM  

What I see happening is what I've seen happen in California and Florida. If a man isn't bilingual, he won't get hired. They won't tell him why, but if he can't speak Spanish, then he can't work on some crews. In Riverside Ca. the drug problem was meth. In Florida, it was crack. Here in Texas, it's meth. This is real life, kiddos, not some classroom. Texas is a right to work state, thank God. I've seen it both ways. Hispanics will work for less money, that's true. However, they cooperate and pool their money amongst the familia. Everyone ends up okay. White folks insist on independence. Young black guys live in the moment. They don't understand saving their money. They get a few bucks, they go looking for some ho. I'm aware that most of you reading this are offended by this snapshot of reality. Oh well.....Stereotypes exist for a reason. Common sense, really. Fact is, young black guys are dangerous. Not all of them, but enough so that you have to be real careful. Does that seem racist to you? If so, you're a fool. Deep down inside where a liberal can never admit it, he knows that there are places in his town where he has no business going. If that's true, that's just common sense.

Blogger MATT March 15, 2015 3:26 PM  

No one here gives one damn about blacks. Youre a white American cowtoeing to Mexicans for a buck, refusing to contribute and help young white Americans because you believe there's nothing in it for you.

Im reminded of upper class liberals and their hatred of poor white people. And the hatred blacks feel for Africans. It's odd, is all.

But yeah, when Mexicans secure their grip, I'm sure theyll remember you. You ate the hot pepper, after all.

Blogger MATT March 15, 2015 3:33 PM  

As for family, Mexicans will be just like is in 2 generations. Theyre being recruuted as replacements for nothing. For cheap labor. The things we do, their grand children will do. As we are now, they will become. Its government sanctioned soft genocidal invasion.

People have the nerve to laugh at survivalists and white supremacists but theyre the ones who will survive. Not pepper eating spanish speakers and loud mouth yankees who find themselves overrun by the Zombie hordes descending upon them when the benefits cards run out. And I say this as a New Yorker.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 15, 2015 3:37 PM  

Yep, you would help the drug addicts around here? There's a serious meth problem here. White boys don't want to work out in the hot sun. I'm usually the only one on the job. As for poor white people, well, that's me. White boys with facial tattoos aren't looking for a job in construction. We have bankers come out on the job regularly. The people I work for want a productive jobsite. That means folks show up and work. Funny thing is, hate doesn't have anything to do with it. This goes back to being raised by men, not women. You don't show up and pull your weight, you get cut loose. Insofar as white folks being outnumbered, well, thank the feminists for that.

Anonymous daddynichol March 15, 2015 4:08 PM  

I smell bull shit. A young black barely survives a shoot out, then seeks out the white boss man for car detailing advice.

This whole narrative was played out a few months back by some other joker who claimed to be the minority employment sage, but in the oil refinery business, not construction.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 15, 2015 4:27 PM  

Nope, he wasn't shot. His buddy got shot at a party spending front money. My point was that this kid had a gravy train job lined up, and he went off the deep end. Plain fact. The only reason he asked me about was I had to turn the water on for the water hose. He took the thug to the hospital. He had a brand new car that his folks signed for. The man running the job was his uncle. I was a plumber on a top out. There was a lot going on in that subdivision.

Anonymous SDH March 15, 2015 5:39 PM  

Plumber Butt Crack reads like Tiny Tim's sock puppet. Extolling the virtues of non-whites and denigrating white men with the pejorative: white boys. He's no one special. There are many quislings and assorted traitors around. They can't compete with whites so try to ingratiate themselves with, what they consider, the dominate non-whites.He is just another anti-white alienist. He can only hire B'nrs. What does that say about him as an employer? The trades are a small community and word gets around on who to work for and who runs a mexican crew. No self respecting white man would work for such a male as Plumber Butt Crack.

Anonymous Discard March 15, 2015 10:30 PM  

simpletimothy: If you're thinking that I'm being short-sighted and disloyal, either you're misreading me or I'm not being clear. Or maybe Southern California is just where the Mexican Invasion is most advanced. In any case, getting a decent job in a trade is hard for a White around here. Young guys who may not be academically inclined go to state colleges anyway and hope for the best. They would have made good electricians and sheet metal mechanics, but those jobs are gone or taken for the most part, so they do clerical work.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 15, 2015 10:52 PM  

Most young white guys don't know how to work. They won't stick it out to finish a job. I don't hire anyone. I don't work a crew. I'm around a lot of construction, however. They pay the concrete guys 125.00 a piece to pour a slab. Not a lot of money, but that's what it is. They make 400.00 to tie the steel, and more if they dig out the form for the concrete. It's hard work, no joke. Pick and shovel. If a white guy wanted a job on a crew like that, he has to speak some Spanish. I work by myself, don't like the drama of folks not showing up for work, etc. Once again, I'm just writing about what I see. I never see a white guy show up at a job looking for work. Plenty of Mexicans, though. This will be the last I say on the subject.....

Anonymous Discard March 16, 2015 1:45 AM  

PPP: In some places, like Los Angeles, the ambitious young Whites that would have done that work have left. They're not willing to stick around and work for 1.5X the minimum wage, and be shut out of the better paying work. They buy into the "go to college" crap or they move away. In many cases, their parents had moved away a few decades ago, when the Diversity tsunami hit. Aside from the crime and the gross incivility that the 3rd World brought, who wanted to send their daughter to school with the Diversity? The non-college Whites remaining in L.A. tend to be the dregs who didn't find the newcomers' behavior so obnoxious, the Wiggers. If you moved some place else, you'd find those Whites who still know how to work.

OpenID simplytimothy March 16, 2015 5:55 AM  


I am from Florida and I have seen the mexican invasion first hand. I do not like a foreign people in my country, straight up. It pisses me off when somebody who does not speak English gets a job ahead of an American. I LIKE Americans and want them to have their own country without being invaded by a bunch of fucking Mexicans.

"I can't !, I can't!" is all I hear from you guys. Its a lie. The truth is "you won't"

You guys are profiting from what the open-boarders/WSJ/Chamber of Commerce crowd want--abundant cheap labor. Yes, you are finding it easy in the short run. What you are doing is destroying your own country to feather your own nest.

What is butt-assed stupid about it is your nest aint for shit. You will be swallowed up and devoured by the invaders you are using now but which will turn around and devour you when it suits their purposes.

When the SHTF, there will be names for you guys--the guys who thought they had it made and lost it--it will be a Mexican name because English is too good to waste on traitors like you.

Anonymous Discard March 16, 2015 9:20 AM  

simpletimothy: I am profiting from open borders? I hire cheap labor? Where have I advocated open borders? I am one of those who could not stay in my city because the Diversity took over. I used to be a tradesman. My wages dropped because imports and the flood of foreigners made so many American workers superfluous. I, and most other working class Whites who did not have a secure job with benefits, left Los Angeles. Those young White Americans who remain generally are college-bound or dregs, Wiggers and Weaners. Facing that fact makes me a traitor?

Blogger Latigo3 March 16, 2015 4:34 PM  

Look Plump Pleasant Plumber,

I am American first, I happen to have been born in a small Central American country and came here as an infant. I build for the 1% of the 1%. Guess what? We don't care if you speak Spanish or English, the key is do you have the skills to get the job done. Are there mostly guys from Mexico and Central America in the trades? Yes. Was it different 30 years ago when I was the only brown skin guy on the tract home sites in Fontana, CA? Yes.
Putting all the PC crap aside, in our end of the market our concern is with getting the job done right. If you are not doing the job right, we find another sub-contractor who will. I don't care if he is Hispanic, white or black.
What Vox is saying though is true, there has been a simmering race war going on, blacks are losing. I also have seen it in construction, since I started in the high-end market 18 years ago, I can count on two hands the number of blacks in the industry; most of them were from the phone industry and created companies to take advantage of all the new tech, the other ones were Jamaican or African, no American blacks as laborers or tradesmen. As for women, in the actual trades there was only one.
The blacks have lost the battle on the streets and in many industries, it simply goes back to one question: Do you want to work?

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 16, 2015 5:10 PM  

Latigo please read my comments. I really go to some length to say essentially the same thing.

Blogger Latigo3 March 16, 2015 5:25 PM  

Plump Pleasant Plumber,
Yeah your right, I was partially responding to something someone else said. Should have addressed it differently.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 16, 2015 5:38 PM  

Latigo you know how Hispanic crews are. They have zero respect for blacks. Here in Texas, there really aren't that many white guys in construction. I'm a plumber who works for different builders. The best way to get a job in construction is go to the jobsite and talk to folks. White guys don't do that. There's a real meth problem. Meth and facial tattoos seem to run together here. A banker comes by the job to see progress, yeppers, real impressed with that, I'll tell you. Huge number of young guys around here who have been raised by women. They lack testosterone. Sad, really. What you've reacted to here are some momas boys who understand nothing of what's going on in the labor market. Yeah, they hate on the Hispanics, but, really, that's meaningless.

Blogger MATT March 16, 2015 6:47 PM  

The trades even semi technical (plumbing, fitting) or straight technical (electric) are seen as grunt work. Because you get dirty but mostly because contractors dont want to pay. Unions pop up (and eventually turn into bureaucratic corrupt nightmares) because contractors are greedy scumbags who want to pocket as much as they can get away with, and are able to do so thanks to cheap illegal labor.

Im eager to see how things play out when these illegals are grabted amnesty and have to pay taxes. Though im sure new programs will be put in place to make sure these illiterate beaners have it easy.

Anonymous Discard March 17, 2015 2:59 PM  

I've worked with Mexicans most of my life, and taught them math as well. My guess is that the 75th percentile, IQ-wise, of Mexicans beats the 90th percentile of Blacks and the 45th percentile of Whites. If the average or better Whites don't apply for a job and some fairly smart Mexicans do, the Mexicans get the job. Simply business. The social costs of the town turning into a barrio get passed on to others.

OpenID simplytimothy March 17, 2015 4:36 PM  


I apologize if I misread you. With your "that's capitalism" comment, I supposed you where advocating illegal labor. From your last comment it is apparent you are aware of the problems and are not.

Anonymous Discard March 18, 2015 9:06 AM  

simpletimothy: I'm not always clear, I know.

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