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Friday, March 13, 2015

To be, or not to be, Gamma

Eventually we were bound to start recognizing their patterns, given that they do the same stupid bloody thing every stupid bloody time. Stickwick, who happens to hold a PhD in Astrophysics, points out why there is absolutely no point in responding in a substantive manner to a Gamma male's questions:
What's rather remarkable about you is how the fact that you're so reliably shown to be wrong and/or obtuse doesn't deter you in the slightest. You're like one of those inflatable punching clowns that just keeps popping back up no matter how many times you're knocked down.
This is why I simply go straight to the dismissive rhetoric with these sad sacks now that I sufficiently understand the Gamma mentality. They are all, by their socio-sexual nature, limited to rhetoric. Their defining characteristic is their refusal to accept the truth of a social order that they can not only see, but frequently reaches out and touches them; the Gamma is the True King in his own mind and he redefines defeat as victory every single day.

That is why they "keep popping back up" pretending that they weren't wrong no matter how many times everyone has seen them intellectually depantsed. They have to cling to the delusion that they are ever-triumphant because they can't face the depressing ugliness of their own daily reality.


I was quite pleased the other night when I was picking up Ender after practice. The previous practice, he had gotten into a bit of a scuffle with one of his defenders, who got into his face after he'd failed to bail out the defense's catastrophic mistake, prompting Ender to punch him in the face when he wouldn't back off. Fortunately, they finally have a good coach, who chewed out the entire defense for being lazy, then told off the defender while he had Ender run a few laps as punishment.

I was curious when I saw the defender standing in the path where Ender would be exiting the clubhouse. Having gotten into it two days before, I wondered how they would they react. Would they pretend not to see each other, be distantly polite, or behave normally? But instead, when Ender came out I saw them exchange the thumbs-back hand-clasp thing and nod, which of course is male teamspeak for mutual acceptance. That was good, because it told me that whatever he may turn out to be, it isn't going to be a passive-aggressive, self-delusional Gamma male.

Meanwhile, this exchange with another Gamma was as amusing as it was illustrative.

VD: (cites article in which scientists admit problems with rectifying data with evolutionary theory)

Gamma: So what's the alternative to evolution? To instead believe in the Hebrew book of fairy tales called The Bible and honestly believe the world is only 6000 years old and humans and dinosaurs co-existed on Earth like in The Flintstones? You'll have to do better than that. That just sounds like believing in a fairy tale someone made up. And if science is so phony next time you need to fix a broken bone or get an operation, just try praying real hard instead, see how far that gets you.

VD: Duck and change the subject. That's certainly new. And convincing! Why pray when we can simply fix it by evolving it through natural selection? Because that's science too, right?

[Notice how when I don't bite on the pseudo-dialectic by taking it seriously but simply mock it, the Gamma drops the passive-aggression and shifts right into the full rhetorical attack mode. There isn't even any pretense of dialectic anymore, just a desperate throw-spaghetti-at-the-wall attempt to cause feelbad.]

Gamma: Because you can't just sit and evolve. That would be as futile as praying for a deity to fix your broken bone magically or cure you of your illness that required an operation. Said deity would not answer. Plus evolution takes a very, very long time. The average human being only lives to around 80. You'd need medical attention pretty quick if you had a broken bone or you needed a life saving operation. Just praying to got to correct either would get you nowhere.

Off topic, but I think Vox Day really is jealous of a Gamma like John Scalzi. Which is why he keeps writing about him. He can't understand why such a nerd can sell so many more books than a so-called real man with a black belt (or whatever) in martial arts like he is.

Vox Day doesn't really act like a Christian either to be honest. Jesus (if he existed) loved everyone. Even non-believers. Jesus wouldn't be for racial segregation voluntary or not. Even if Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream has failed. Vox never used to write about all this race themed stuff. Not until Obama was elected and then re-elected. I think Obama's re-election really knocked the wind out of his sails. And that's part of why he gave up the WorldNetDaily column. I think the demographic for his blog has changed. It used to be a younger crowd. Now it feels like the average age is 50 plus. A lot of old get of my lawn type retirees. One more thing, being a world class cruelty artist may be entertaining for readers, but my guess is the Christian God and Christ (if either exists) finds that level of cruelty in human beings to be a pretty serious sin. 
This is hilarious. Let's count the feeble attempts to cause feelbad. 1) jealous, 2) false Christian, 3) upset by Obama's re-election, 4) readership is old and past it, 5) offending a God in whom the Gamma doesn't even believe. With all due respect, I've had people publicly calling me every name in the book FOR 14 YEARS now. Do you really think you're going to be the one who has finally come up with the magic word that will crack my Olympian indifference to your opinion?

I was curious about the blog demographics, however. It turns out that the three most distinctive characteristics of the VP readership are that they are a) educated, b) male, and c) wealthy, in that order. As for age, the blog is followed heavily in all age groups from 25-64, with 45-54 being the strongest and under-18s being the most highly underrepresented. This makes sense, as under-18s are the least-educated, least-wealthy group out there. And, of course, I am in the 45-54 educated wealthy male group myself.

It's not so much "get off my lawn" as "please be advised that you will now be escorted from the premises of our country club".

Never bother to engage in dialectic with a Gamma male. It serves no purpose, they literally don't hear what you're saying. To them, arguing is a competition in causing feelbad. So relentlessly mock them and target their insecurities, and pay no attention whatsoever to their pseudo-dialectical bait. It isn't honestly offered.

UPDATE: This discussion has helped me see a little deeper into the psychology and I think it's given me a glimpse into the core source of the Gamma delusion. The Gamma believes that if he admits to the truth of his own feelings about himself, he will lose.

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Anonymous Peter Garstig March 13, 2015 5:48 AM  

Why pray when we can simply fix it by evolving it through natural selection? Because that's science too, right?

Wonderful.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 13, 2015 6:09 AM  

Hence the need for the parabolic, elliptical, hyperbolic [ interesting how geometry figured so highly in language] and the circumlocutory. It's the equivalent of, "smiles politely and backs away slowly".
If you are talking to someone teachable; persuade them. If not, then evade, confuse, obfuscate, filibuster. It's just a part of changing their nappies/ diaper and these are stuck in arrested adolescence.

Somehow though the greek alphabet thing falls flat. Human doesn't have a sub species. The behaviours all fall on a continuum of "fare evaders" "those who look in mirrors with averted vision". It's something fundamental.
GK Chesterton again "people who stop believing in God don't believe in nothing, they'll believe in anything" [hence the bat shit crazy pseudo science overreach] = a paraphrase
IMHO

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 13, 2015 6:11 AM  

...they literally don't hear what you're saying. To them, arguing is a competition in causing feelbad.

The following is a quote from Pajama Boy. AKA Ethan Krupp,

“I am a Liberal Fuck,” Krupp wrote in one post. “A Liberal Fuck is not a Democrat, but rather someone who combines political data and theory, extreme leftist views and sarcasm to win any argument while make the opponents feel terrible about themselves. I won every argument but one.”

Krupp then detailed the only political argument he claimed her ever lost, a drunken encounter he had with a “conservative gay prick.”


Blogger WildClaw March 13, 2015 6:11 AM  

I'm in the U18group :)
Also,:these fedoragammas have a predictable flow of rhetoric-deflect/appeal to to authority-bait. As long as he's absolutely sure of his infallibility, he will refuse to seriously consider your arguments. In my experience, he'll shift to ad hominems and Neil Degrasse Tyson quotes to further his rhetoric instead.

Anonymous Smokey March 13, 2015 6:25 AM  

I swear, once he went off-topic, the dude just started writing a full-blown parody of a Gamma male. You couldn't find a better example if you tried.

What is it about this place that attracts so many of them? Can't be just your political leanings Vox, I've seen more outrageous blogs with a far lower class of troll.

Blogger Vox March 13, 2015 6:26 AM  

Krupp then detailed the only political argument he claimed her ever lost, a drunken encounter he had with a “conservative gay prick.”

That's because the conservative gay prick was probably the only individual who ever engaged him directly on rhetorical grounds. The thing is, it's very easy to crush these guys on their own ground because you just have to hammer them on their obvious insecurities, which is their physical appearance, their total lack of success with women, and the likelihood that they are evolutionary dead ends. That's why they are so quick to cry Ad Hom. They know it is their kryptonite.

"Ad Hom, seriously, is that all you've got?" "No, but it's all I need."

Blogger Vox March 13, 2015 6:32 AM  

What is it about this place that attracts so many of them? Can't be just your political leanings Vox, I've seen more outrageous blogs with a far lower class of troll.

I'm smarter than they are and I have a large readership that respects my intelligence. They want what they see I've got, so they are trying to usurp the crown by revealing me to be an emperor wearing no clothes. When they talk about me being jealous of Scalzi, they're projecting. They're not only jealous of my public position as a popular blogger, they think I am unworthy of my popularity and they are the true and rightful blogger.

Thanks to the Gamma series at AG, I have a much better understanding of their psychology. It's totally fucking bizarre, but it has a sort of internal logic to it.

I couldn't figure out why they're so hung up on my supposed jealousy of Scalzi even after VP left Whatever in the dust, until I understood that if they wrote about someone as often as I write about Scalzi, they would do so out of jealousy.

Anonymous zen0 March 13, 2015 6:36 AM  

One more thing, being a world class cruelty artist may be entertaining for readers, but my guess is the Christian God and Christ (if either exists) finds that level of cruelty in human beings to be a pretty serious sin.


“What the hell are you getting so upset about?” he asked her bewilderedly in a tone of contrite amusement. “I thought you didn’t believe in God.”

“I don’t,” she sobbed, bursting violently into tears. “But the God I don’t believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He’s not the mean and stupid God you make Him out to be.


Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 13, 2015 6:38 AM  

Patches O'Houlihan: If you're going to become true dodgeballers, then you've got to learn the five d's of dodgeball: dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!
Dodgeball was Lance Armstrong's finest performance - after his five Tour d' France victories for Post [Viva France, Viva Lance]

I forgot "tangential" - how could Jesus slip past so many smart thinkers?

Anonymous Maidi March 13, 2015 6:40 AM  

Vox: did you poll the Ilk at some point? I'm curious how you obtained demographic data on your readership.

Anonymous Steve March 13, 2015 6:46 AM  

Cataline Sergius - Wait... Pyjama boy is a real person?

I assumed he was made by Pixar, or Jim Henson's Creature Workshop, to encourage high school boys to bring back bullying.

Anonymous bw March 13, 2015 6:54 AM  

believe in the Hebrew book of fairy tales called The Bible

So historically illiterate and ignorant and unaware that these clowns don't know that all of humanity has always believed in the gods. The only questions were which ones, and which was superior.

honestly believe the world is only 6000 years old

Setting up something that she herself doesn't even believe in order to argue with it. Again, unaware and ignorant, but certainly projecting certitudes.

Dialectical materialists are fond of their own Devolution without even being aware of whom it serves and whom it does not.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 13, 2015 6:59 AM  

Politics is played by the rules of three, conservatives aspire to intellectualism and call it politics, libtards play politics and call it intellectualism. Conservatives generally lose the opinions of the third person because of that, because they spend their time trying to describe what the libtard really, really, really means instead of just having the libtard say it and say it louder..

Its not what libtards really mean it is what they say, and from there the third person will disqualify them as authority.

Anonymous Leap of Rape March 13, 2015 7:02 AM  

humanity has always believed in the gods

Which is to say, they have simply substituted new gods and religious beliefs for old ones. Same age old, historical pattern of faithful, religious belief, less trustworthy gods. And the funny thing is how easy it is to disprove the new ones simply by following the business model.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 13, 2015 7:11 AM  

And their alliance to the Democratic party is a serious rabbit trap, notice this clown never mentioned Allah. I always love to hear their opinions of Allah, they instantly disqualify themselves in front of the third person, and this GC is basically rabbit in a trap at the end of his screed.

Anonymous Peter Garstig March 13, 2015 7:17 AM  

Vox constantly pointing out that rhetorics should be met with rhetorics helped me tremendously. I naturally responded with dialectic. An rhetoric is much easier and straight forward than dialectict. It also works on non-Gammas, as everybody uses it (so not to the extent the gamma does).

Andecdote: I've recently had a short discussion with an agnostic, longtime friend, very intelligent (alpha) man, who just discovered that I believe in God and that I'm a Catholic. He put on a smirk and wanted to test me and my faith. He knows I'm at least his equal in intelligence. So the first question he asked was: "If your priest abuses children in private, is the holy communion he gives you still the body of Christ?". Purely rethorical of course. Before learning from Vox, I would have probably cited Aquinas or some sort, but I responded with "If your physics teacher abuses children in private, does gravity still exists?". That was the end of the dicussion and we continued fishing.

Rhetoric for rhetoric. Life lesson.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2015 7:18 AM  

It turns out that the three most distinctive characteristics of the VP readership are that they are a) educated, b) male, and c) wealthy, in that order.

I love the smell of White Privilege in the morning.

Anonymous Peter Garstig March 13, 2015 7:24 AM  

My anecdote might also serve as an example that alphas do use rhetoric, but unlike the gamma they stop blabbering when countered effectively with rhetoric.

Blogger Vox March 13, 2015 7:26 AM  

So the first question he asked was: "If your priest abuses children in private, is the holy communion he gives you still the body of Christ?". Purely rethorical of course. Before learning from Vox, I would have probably cited Aquinas or some sort, but I responded with "If your physics teacher abuses children in private, does gravity still exist?".

Beautiful. Well done. I could not have done it better myself.

Blogger Doom March 13, 2015 7:28 AM  

I wonder if they could be helped by knowing that winning is a hit or miss thing, even for the best? There is no such thing as an automatic win. It's a damnable bloody struggle every day, against one's own self, against women and even one's own woman, against good and evil, even against just getting a tech gadget to work. Or, perhaps, that is what they really can't handle. No man I have ever met had it easy. The real men I know have to take cold showers, work their butts off for a little success, and just as often have to go home, to a tasteless cold meal, punch in a bunch of hours, and still take weeks or months to figure out the damned problem.

"Win" happens like joy, or sex, or anything else... in small lots, if built over time to some satisfaction and perhaps sustainability or level that is gratifying... for as long as that lasts until the next level or fail, it is far from handed out and just had. But, hell, after a point, the sacrifices and pain become just as good in their own way, if they lead to those things that are wanted and enjoyed. I suppose some men can't handle the cold waters that actual success takes. It's not easy. But it is worth it. I don't even know how to help a man realize that if he chooses not to see. Or is it that they see the empty cold waters as the whole of it? Dunno, they confuse me.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 13, 2015 7:31 AM  

Peter that wasn't rhetorical. That was Socratean Dialectic IMHO. Socratean Circumlocutory trumps straight dialectic.
Good PilPul and Socratic method remains close to the tip of the pyramid. Vectoring iterations.

If you can get a person to question themselves and their own deductions you might just steer them on course. A straight answer is less comprehensive than an circumlocutory one.

In like manner an out of focus picture contains more information than an in focus one. One simply needs the algorithm for resolution.

Anonymous PA March 13, 2015 7:34 AM  

These Hierarchy posts have been extremely interesting. I'm playing around with making a graphic representation of the different classes and my thought is that Delta should be a big circle in the middle, representing the basic man. I like this 2-d model because on a linear scale (which measures his attractiveness to women but not the respect he gets from men), the Delta is sold short.

And so around the big Delta circle, you have five smaller circles. At 12 o'clock from Delta you have Alpha. At 1 o'clock, Sigma. At 5 o'clock, Omega. At 6, Lambda. At 7, Gamma. At 11, Beta.

Thinking about lines of aspirational promotion (given self knowledge and effort), Beta can aim for becoming an Alpha. Gamma and Lambda can aspire to Delta. Omega, to Delta or Sigma. Delta, to Beta.

An interesting possibility would involve a Gamma's fast-track to Alpha, given, again, superhuman effort in self improvement. I see the gamma as having ambition but lacking the strength of character to get there.

Anonymous Baseball Savant March 13, 2015 8:06 AM  

I want to show all of my haters love (hey!)
This song's for you (this song's for you)
If you had it like me and I was in your shoes
I'd probably hate on me too
See when you're gettin big cash stacks, all the haters hate that
'Cause they hate to see you be successful
I want to show all of my haters love
So I wave to you like "good morning"

Blogger Rek. March 13, 2015 8:15 AM  

@ PA

An interesting idea. Sadly my understanding of the Hierarchy isn't good enough to give you any valuable input. I'd like to propose an addition to your graphic though: a list of characteristics for each class and key elements to move from one category to the next..

Anonymous Stickwick March 13, 2015 8:18 AM  

It's not so much "get off my lawn" as "please be advised that you will now be escorted from the premises of our country club".

Or "release the hounds."

Anonymous Stilicho March 13, 2015 8:22 AM  

I am amazed at how often they fly into a rage if someone even attempts to have a dialectic discussion with them. In the real world, they'll mask the rage due to fear of confrontation and retreat behind a smoke screen of ennui or snark but you can still smell the fear and rage in them as they preemptively retreat.

Anonymous Scalzi March 13, 2015 8:42 AM  

Ha! So you admit you don't have a lawn!

Gamma rabbit wins again!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 13, 2015 8:42 AM  

They don't fear conservatives being intellectual they fear being asked to explain themselves.

Any way is Obama Gamma Supreme?

Anonymous kfg March 13, 2015 8:45 AM  

The gamma operates on a playing field where the rules of engagement are constrained in his favour, and he knows it. Were the rules not so engaged, he would not appear on the field, he would be hiding in a closet somewhere.

Waive those constraints and one good punch to the solar plexus would settle the matter.

" . . . until I understood that if they wrote about someone as often as I write about Scalzi, they would do so out of jealousy."

I learned a long time ago that these people are little more than reactive projecting machines. If he accuses you of jealousy, it is because he is jealous. If he accuses you of being a manipulative backstabber, it is because he is a manipulative backstabber. If he wants you disarmed, it's because he is a murderous little fuck.

Simply take everything they say at face value, whether it seems to make sense or not, and you can rather quickly acquire a mental picture of who they are. The picture is never very pretty.

Anonymous Daniel March 13, 2015 8:54 AM  

To be fair, a Gamma may have decent recent to suspect your demographic measurements. Did they take into account that a lot of us may fuelshare our personal jets and not own the fleet outright? He might be less jealous of that.

Anonymous Daniel March 13, 2015 8:55 AM  

"reason" not "recent"

Blogger Vox March 13, 2015 9:00 AM  

Simply take everything they say at face value, whether it seems to make sense or not, and you can rather quickly acquire a mental picture of who they are.

A friend once told me that when he first met me, he thought I was striking a self-confident pose to cover my insecurities. Then, when he got to know me, he realized it was much worse than he had imagined and that I was genuinely that confident.

It can be useful. GT settled with Fenris in part because the Alpha who sold his company to them and sat on their board knew me. Afterwards, he told me that he told the chief counsel to his face to settle because there was no way I would have bothered filing the suit if I didn't know I had an iron-clad case. Which was, in fact, true.

Anonymous Scalzi's dog March 13, 2015 9:03 AM  

Gamma rabbit wins again!

I left your prize near the driveway. Now be a good lad and go collect it while it's still fresh.

Blogger Vox March 13, 2015 9:03 AM  

Vox: did you poll the Ilk at some point? I'm curious how you obtained demographic data on your readership.

There are various analytics services I utilize.

Anonymous Steveo March 13, 2015 9:13 AM  

There's a lot to be learned around here... This topic is a great example, culturally we've seen the rise of the rhetoric (perhaps the rabbitinator sent back in time to eliminate reason) which has caused a lot of problems in our society (gammas in media, science, politics, law, business, academia, etc.,); it's why everything looks like comedy now. Here you can learn to identify them & do something about them.

Never let them in positions of responsibility - it is the character flaws that doom their tenure & your organization. I believe the SJW phenomenon brought the mechanism to the fore-front of the discussion. Entryism, the cure for which is mercilessly stopping it at your gate. You do not need to let them up to the door, as they will soil the lawn in a fit of toddler petulance. Gamma entryism has been going on for a long time under the radar.

Start at the beginning, there is Truth, there is right & wrong, results matter - everyone does not deserve a trophy & life doesn't come with cheat codes, gosh sakes.

Blogger Lovekraft March 13, 2015 9:21 AM  

(wish i knew why my first #$@ comment on this site always gets deleted)

Anyways, readers of this blog and others like it are aware of the depths to which progressives will stoop to advance their agenda of global mediocrity and submission to the Moon God. We infuriate them by ignoring and mocking so they turn the screws. But this only ends up hurting innocent bystanders (we are long-immune to their barbs by now) who eventually come over to our side.

Feminism and mass-immigrationists are the two main fronts which are employing these tactics. They are fading into obscurity. Next will be a complete overhaul of the global financial system which will unearth centuries-old conspiracies.

Blogger Desiderius March 13, 2015 9:28 AM  

"pay no attention whatsoever to their pseudo-dialectical bait. It isn't honestly offered."

"Vox constantly pointing out that rhetorics should be met with rhetorics helped me tremendously. I naturally responded with dialectic."

This is a common chink in the armor of decent men that gamma parasites have learned to exploit. Meeting bad faith with good is a failure at tit-for-tat/prisoner's dilemma and thus basic social competence. The social incompetent loses face in the eyes of the neutral observer, while the parasite perceives the good faith as submission to his dominance.

The roots of this flawed approach are in the modern Christian heresy of non-judgmentalism and inflated self-regard (i.e. "I'm above stooping to bad faith").

Blogger JartStar March 13, 2015 9:37 AM  

they think I am unworthy of my popularity and they are the true and rightful blogger.

It's totally fucking bizarre, but it has a sort of internal logic to it.


Yep, and yep. The internal logic is a key element which is why they have to build a stronger and stronger delusion bubble to keep it intact.

Blogger Rhology March 13, 2015 9:58 AM  

A bit dated, but I'm not an early adopter by any stretch.
Anyone remember in Casino Royale (the Daniel Craig one) where at the poker table he orders his custom drink from the barman? And then like three other guys "me too!" it? Seems to me we had four different "game classes" in that one incident.
Alpha - Bond (obviously)
Beta - Felix Leiter, who is the last to order, does so very coolly, and adds his own preference

Then there's two other types; I'm unsure which they would be.
-The first two players to "me too" the drink order. Gamma? Delta?
-Le Chiffre, who is annoyed with the whole proceeding (and is of course the bad guy). Sigma? Omega?

OpenID cailcorishev March 13, 2015 10:07 AM  

Imagine how you'd deal with one of these guys in real life. Every time you tried to have an interesting discussion with friends, he'd come up and try to disqualify you with loud catch-phrases and put-downs, trying to drive a wedge between you and your friends. He'd have a huge smirk to go along with his affectedly superior "I can't believe I'm actually talking to such stupid people about something so stupid, hnur hnur" attitude. If you took the time to prove him wrong with logic, he'd simply disappear, then come back the very next time with the same nonsense as if the previous encounter never happened. Time after time, he'd be there.

You'd punch him in the face. Maybe not the first time, but eventually you'd have no choice, because only real pain can get through his self-deception. You don't have that option online, but brutal attacks on their insecurities are a decent second-best. You have to hurt them, which normally gives them an advantage over decent people, who don't like to cause pain.

Blogger darkdoc March 13, 2015 10:09 AM  

Obama is truly the ultimate gamma.

The problem being, he actually made it to the top, and self-validated the idea of being King in his own mind.

Look at the way he governs, allowing women to tell him how to be, lettting others do the true work, wallowing in incompetence and doing nothing to change it, holding his face to the heavens when he speaks. It gives his magalomania and narcicism reality in his own mind. God help us.

Anonymous Porky March 13, 2015 10:13 AM  

"If your physics teacher abuses children in private, does gravity still exists?"

Hehehe. Sweet, sweet rhetorical nectar.

Anonymous cheddarman March 13, 2015 10:16 AM  

Hitler seems to have been a textbook gamma, if yu take a close look at his life and behaviour.

“Hitler was a gamma” wins on many levels.

Anonymous Porky March 13, 2015 10:21 AM  

“Hitler was a gamma” wins on many levels.

So true.

"You know who else loved gun control? Hitler."
"You know who else was a vegetarian? Hitler."
"You know who else liked Volkswagens? Hitler"

OpenID cailcorishev March 13, 2015 10:21 AM  

Obama is truly the ultimate gamma.

Yep. He's a gamma who got promoted like an alpha because people projected their fantasies on him. Most of his decisions make sense if interpreted as arising from resentment and wanting to get back at those who don't recognize his specialness. I think someone said he's like the unpopular kid who gets elected school king for a day and takes it out on the jocks and cheerleaders, except that he got elected for the whole year.

Anonymous Stilicho March 13, 2015 10:26 AM  

Obama is truly the ultimate gamma.

gamma + lambda = gambda

Blogger JAY WILL March 13, 2015 10:42 AM  

The easiest way to hurt me is to expose the truth about me that I think I'm hiding from the world. Effectively you talk to the inner child in me, this doesn't need to be delivered in any way harshly indeed it hurts more if your nice about it as I don't have an opponent to work off.

For example, a few years ago a guy I knew a little and clearly didn't really understand the way I am said to me, "I was like you for a long time, it was hard to grow up". It was said with sincerity and not meant as an insult, but I took it very badly and ranted off at him. In psycho jargon terms you are receiving narcissistic injury as the false self you've built up, which is largely a self-deception and not a real deception to others, is being exposed. I've realized now that a lot of it is feeling shame that your not a grown-up.

Also I'd add that sometimes you can hurt me by complement. Or even just calling me by my name. For example, recently I did not turn up for pool game, having decided to take a good break from drinking. The captain on the phone tried to get me to come, at one point exposing the horrible fantastical melodramatic nature of my inner conflict, by saying "Jay, we all like you, we want you to come". This is utterly brutal and heartbreaking to me. The reason is the false self receives zero feeding, its not getting narcissistic supply, the inner specialness is not acknowledged. However, the genuine objective self that the world sees is actually given what should be a boost, you belong. The problem is you belong but not as a special person but as just you, that fragile you is liked. But you don't want the world seeing him, you've spent your whole life trying to hide him, that its so apparent that your attempts to hide him aren't working hurts a lot.

The problem is when this nature starts to wreck other peoples lives, or even worse used by manipulating those with real power/influence to hurt their perceived enemies. In my case, while family may have been hurt to some extent, its primarily me who has been the victim of my own conflicted nature.


Blogger rumpole5 March 13, 2015 10:57 AM  

I don't understand why your factual criticism of the theory of evolution gives rise to a torrent of hysterical anti Christian responses. I've enjoyed reading your blog for over a decade, and I don't ever recall you ever offering any explanation of how living things came to be. Why should you be called on to explain the straw man of what evolution proponents imagine your beliefs or theories to be, when you haven't stated any. Instead, the proponents are the persons who should answer your points.

Anonymous DrTorch March 13, 2015 10:57 AM  

Never bother to engage in dialectic with a Gamma male. It serves no purpose

Same things were said 3100 years ago

Prov 26:4 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes

Prov 23:9 Do not speak to fools,
for they will scorn your prudent words.

Blogger Corvinus March 13, 2015 11:10 AM  

Obama is truly the ultimate gamma.

Actually, Satan is the ultimate gamma. Think about it.

Blogger Bogey March 13, 2015 11:13 AM  

Never bother to engage in dialectic with a Gamma male. It serves no purpose, they literally don't hear what you're saying.

You're right of course, I immediately started thinking of Bill Craig's arguments for the existence of God, a fools errand I would imagine in that exchange. Reflecting the rhetoric just looks like more fun.

Blogger Bogey March 13, 2015 11:16 AM  

Obama is truly the ultimate gamma.

Hilarious, I remember a news woman saying Obama and Mitt were two Alpha males circling each other like lions.

Anonymous kfg March 13, 2015 11:19 AM  

" . . .circling each other like lions."

I am kitten, hear me mewl!

Anonymous cheddarman March 13, 2015 11:20 AM  

Corvinus, I think you are the thread winner

Anonymous liljoe March 13, 2015 11:25 AM  

nice to know at 44 i'm younger and apparently richer than most of the readership here.

my dilemma involving gammas is my own brother, a very well liked public school teacher. he responds to dialectic and dismisses rhetoric but as his livelihood depends largely on the State it remains quite difficult persuading against the ever expanding oppression the State represents in this country. i am trying though

Blogger Bro. Longtail March 13, 2015 11:33 AM  

It seems you made the right choice in moving to Italy. Punching another in the face earned Ender a few laps; in Canada (and elsewhere no doubt) it would have earned him a criminal record and an Inquisition aimed at his parents.

Blogger Vox March 13, 2015 11:48 AM  

Punching another in the face earned Ender a few laps; in Canada (and elsewhere no doubt) it would have earned him a criminal record and an Inquisition aimed at his parents.

The general rule, as I understand it, is that each kid gets one punch free, then the others will step in and separate them. They definitely take a "boys will be boys" approach.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 13, 2015 12:26 PM  

I notice something of a theme in the comments:

kfg:
The gamma operates on a playing field where the rules of engagement are constrained in his favour, and he knows it. Were the rules not so engaged, he would not appear on the field, he would be hiding in a closet somewhere.

Waive those constraints and one good punch to the solar plexus would settle the matter.


cailcorishev:
magine how you'd deal with one of these guys in real life. Every time you tried to have an interesting discussion with friends, he'd come up and try to disqualify you with loud catch-phrases and put-downs, trying to drive a wedge between you and your friends....Time after time, he'd be there...You'd punch him in the face. Maybe not the first time, but eventually you'd have no choice, because only real pain can get through his self-deception.

Bro. Longtail:
Punching another in the face earned Ender a few laps; in Canada (and elsewhere no doubt) it would have earned him a criminal record and an Inquisition aimed at his parents.

I'm not in favor of a society where anyone is free to go pop someone else in the mouth for any reason they feel like, but we definitely need a little more physical confrontation added back to the mix. Sometimes people earn a punch in the mouth, and it's very damaging for society (and for the Gamma too, for that matter) to withhold what they've earned.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 13, 2015 12:33 PM  

That's because the conservative gay prick was probably the only individual who ever engaged him directly on rhetorical grounds.

I'm more inclined to believe PJBoy lost lots of arguments which his Gammatude prevents him from realizing, and he doesn't really think he lost the argument to the gay conservative prick. In fact, I suspect he made the guy up. He assumes citing one example of losing an argument insulates him from charges of being delusional, and probably figures it enhances his SJW cred to be so tolerant as to lose an argument to a gay. So he manufactures a two-fer. But notice he gives himself the excuse of being drunk.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 13, 2015 12:37 PM  

I wonder if they could be helped by knowing that winning is a hit or miss thing, even for the best?

Doom, your thoughts on the luck involved are excellent, but no, I don't think it would help Gammas to know that. In fact, I suspect they do know it subconsciously and that's the source of their personality disorder. They know they aren't resilient enough to come back from defeat, and they know even the best lose, so they conclude it is foolish to play.

Of couse, you can't win if you don't play, so they are resentful of people with the courage to test their luck.

Blogger Noah B March 13, 2015 12:38 PM  

Sounds about right on the Gamma, Jack. As far as punching goes though -- there are people out there who can kill with one punch to the head. That's not to be taken lightly.

Blogger stareatgoatsies March 13, 2015 12:41 PM  

Hehehe. Sweet, sweet rhetorical nectar.

Seems to me it works on both levels? Is an apposite analogy not dialectic on some level?

Anonymous Stickwick March 13, 2015 12:44 PM  

Bro. Longtail: Punching another in the face earned Ender a few laps; in Canada (and elsewhere no doubt) it would have earned him a criminal record and an Inquisition aimed at his parents.

I thought the same thing. It wasn't always like that in Canada and the U.S. I remember quite a few playground scuffles -- I also remember being astonished that the boys seemed to be on good terms, sometimes even becoming buddies, afterwards.

Jack Amok: Sometimes people earn a punch in the mouth, and it's very damaging for society (and for the Gamma too, for that matter) to withhold what they've earned.

When my European husband was new to America, I had to convince him that punching other men in the face would likely get him arrested or sued. He couldn't believe it, because in Finland men and boys routinely handle conflict by duking it out, and it's no big deal. He said exactly what you said: sometimes the only response is a punch in the face.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing March 13, 2015 12:44 PM  

The dialectic-rhetoric combo is the most versatile communication tool. When wielded by a competent practitioner, it can cut an opponent like a knife, or reveal a previously hidden understanding to a friend.

The best conversations are with people who realize you have something of value to communicate. I live for the conversation with an honest interlocutor, and suddenly, the Aha! moment arrives.

This model works best, I’ve discovered, when the point is conveyed by describing all the surrounding ideas. Then, the other person feels prompted to fill in the blank with the word or concept you’ve spent your time purposefully not saying.

Some people get frustrated because it sounds like you’re not getting to the point. But, the sting at the end with the Aha! moment, makes it all worthwhile.

It really takes a lot of words to properly execute the Aha! moment. And, most of the time it's best done verbally, face to face, with all the non-verbal reinforcement you can muster.

Blogger Noah B March 13, 2015 12:53 PM  

It seems to me that when you fight with someone you know, there's usually a lot of restraint. I've been in scuffles and hit in the face, but I've never been in a fight with someone I thought was trying to kill me.

Blogger Felix Bellator March 13, 2015 12:57 PM  

DrTorch:

Same things were said 3100 years ago

Prov 26:4 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes

Prov 23:9 Do not speak to fools,
for they will scorn your prudent words.


The Bible is like an owner's manual for humans.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing March 13, 2015 12:59 PM  

Sometimes, it’s "Release the Hounds!"

Other times, it’s "Fix, Bayonets!"

Anonymous kfg March 13, 2015 1:02 PM  

For my part, nobody got punched in the face. I merely proffered an opportunity to sit down and think it over for a while.

I am a gentle man.

Anonymous kfg March 13, 2015 1:10 PM  

Bird on a Wing: I've been thinking of getting a Kraken for my EDC. Either that or a Dennis Miller.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing March 13, 2015 1:17 PM  

@kfg

If you had mentioned the Sword of Crota, I might have had a slim, but real possibility of tangentially interpreting your comment correctly?

Anonymous Porky March 13, 2015 1:37 PM  

Seems to me it works on both levels? Is an apposite analogy not dialectic on some level?

The defining attribute of dialectic is pursuit of truth.

When someone clearly is not seeking a truth and is instead seeking to push emotional buttons, the best response is a nice rhetorical pie in the face.

Anonymous kfg March 13, 2015 1:39 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb2zIR2rvRQ

Anonymous Bird on a Wing March 13, 2015 1:54 PM  

Yes, but what's an EDC?

(Perhaps I should give up on my pretense to Dennis Miller fandom??)

Anonymous tiredofitall March 13, 2015 1:55 PM  

"I remember quite a few playground scuffles -- I also remember being astonished that the boys seemed to be on good terms, sometimes even becoming buddies, afterwards." - Stickwick

That's the difference between men and women that women never seem to get.

Two chicks fight and it's hair pulling, eye gouging, every dirty trick you can think of to win the fight. And afterwards they're mortal enemies for life.

Two guys get in a fight, one gets a black eye the other a fat lip, and most times they'll wind up the best of pals.

Hell, the best man at my brother's wedding once beat the ever-loving shit out of him, and they're still as close as friends can be.

I think it all comes down to how each sex sees itself, women are in constant competition with each other to get the alpha for themselves. Guys are in constant competition to either be the alpha, or failing that learn how to be an alpha themselves.

With women it's a zero sum game, there can be only one winner. For guys it's more like, yeah I'm the winner, but let me show you how you can be one too.

Anonymous Joseph Dooley March 13, 2015 2:02 PM  

"The Gamma believes that if he admits to the truth of his own feelings about himself, he will lose." –Vox Day

"He conceives a mortal hatred against that truth which blames and convinces him of his faults." –Pascal

Anonymous Peter Pan March 13, 2015 2:08 PM  

Maid: Vox: did you poll the Ilk at some point? I'm curious how you obtained demographic data on your readership.

Vox: There are various analytics services I utilize.

Care to elaborate? I was wondering the same thing, and am genuinely curious how you could obtain that data without polling readership directly.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing March 13, 2015 2:11 PM  

Oh, durrrr . . . Google should be my friend, but apparently he isn't.

I'm glad to see there are other appreciators of the unspoken beauty the Miller Kraken adds to one's everyday life and healthful continuance of existence!

Blogger Edward Isaacs March 13, 2015 2:16 PM  

>Their defining characteristic is their refusal to accept the truth of a social order that they can not only see, but frequently reaches out and touches them

Maybe I'm not a gamma then. I still think that I am, though.

So I would suggest there is at least one other way for a gamma to exist. By detaching one's logical self from one's existential concerns in such a way as to be the kind of person who does not FEEL moral imperatives to apply to himself even if he KNOWS that they do, a person can remain for all practical purposes a gamma while still allowing himself to intellectually admit the truths that most gammas do not.

Anonymous Stickwick March 13, 2015 2:27 PM  

tiredofitall: I think it all comes down to how each sex sees itself, women are in constant competition with each other to get the alpha for themselves.

Yeah, I guess. I dunno. For me, it's not so much competing for men, it's the idea of being dominated by another woman that gets under my skin. It's worse than the feeling I get when I think about submitting to a Gamma male. For that reason, even if the last man in the universe had just died, I'd probably still feel competitive with other women.

Anonymous kfg March 13, 2015 2:35 PM  

"Yes, but what's an EDC?"

Ahhh! Every Day Carry. Your kit, those items which you rarely, if ever, leave the house without. Perhaps a light, a pen knife, matches, a defensive weapon, that sort of thing.

"Perhaps I should give up on my pretense to Dennis Miller fandom?"

Dennis Miller was so far ahead of the "Release the Kraken!" meme, that Know Your Meme doesn't even recognize him as its originator.

He used it to characterize Ross Perot's foreign policy, and gave a better delivery than Neeson.

And should my own rhetorical tooth and claw every fail me, I could do a lot worse than Dennis as my champion.

Release the Miller!

Anonymous Mongol General March 13, 2015 2:52 PM  

"Stickwick, what is best in life?"

Stickwick: "Crush de other women. See dem driven from society. Hear de lamentations of deir gammas."

Anonymous Discobolus March 13, 2015 3:08 PM  

It appears that what I have always called sore losers are what you have named Gamma. The sore loser is both injured and insulted by loss and wants to lash out at the winner, who they often call cheater. We see this society wide, in the terms "White Privilege" and "The Patriarchy". The sore loser cannot win at the game, so they try to change the rules. On the other hand you have the sore winner, or the Sigma, who takes too many blows to the head for his trivial wins against inferior opponents. The Sigma is dialectic in a rhetorical world, and therefore never wins even when he wins. He should not bother reasoning with fools, he should cut to the chase and bully them, like an Alpha.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing March 13, 2015 3:25 PM  

Ahhh! Every Day Carry. Your kit, those items which you rarely, if ever, leave the house without. Perhaps a light, a pen knife, matches, a defensive weapon, that sort of thing.

It seems that my mancard will remain unissued.

On the other hand, if you had said "purse," the joke would have been utterly -- instead of mostly -- lost.

Dennis Miller is an apex professional Aha! moment practitioner. In comparison, I only ascribe to fleeting moments of apex-ness.

Anonymous DT March 13, 2015 3:26 PM  

With all due respect, I've had people publicly calling me every name in the book FOR 14 YEARS now. Do you really think you're going to be the one who has finally come up with the magic word that will crack my Olympian indifference to your opinion?

Admit it Vox: he was close. Had he just finished his diatribe with "...and Vox is a big, stinky, POOPIE HEAD!" it would have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

You would have cried for sure.

(Tears of laughter that is.)

Blogger SirHamster March 13, 2015 3:27 PM  

Two guys get in a fight, one gets a black eye the other a fat lip, and most times they'll wind up the best of pals.

Hell, the best man at my brother's wedding once beat the ever-loving shit out of him, and they're still as close as friends can be.

I think it all comes down to how each sex sees itself, women are in constant competition with each other to get the alpha for themselves. Guys are in constant competition to either be the alpha, or failing that learn how to be an alpha themselves.


I think us men find a sort of honesty in the act of defending something with direct physical violence. Honesty provides a foundation for trust.

That speaks to direct conflict, whether with fists or words.

Can we form the same trust from indirect conflict, such as Political intrigue, or manipulation? We have the concept of Magnificent Bastard, where does that fit in?

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 13, 2015 3:46 PM  

"only political argument he claimed her ever lost, a drunken encounter he had with a “conservative gay prick.”"
Well this is awkward. I did mention before about the guy I slept with for 8 months before he told me he didn't believe in guns.

"these people are little more than reactive projecting machines. If he accuses you of jealousy, it is because he is jealous."
The left thinks all of the dirty election tricks they pull are also happening in white areas. Just like Mexicans think everyone steals cars at the same rate they do but that cops let them off for being white.


"nice to know at 44 i'm younger and apparently richer than most of the readership here."
Any gay that is conservative obviously contributes more to society & taxes than they can get back. I believe that of the liberal gays that earn more than me, the majority of them have "cheerleader for Soros" on their resume. If you think STR8 charities pay their officers too much in comparison to what makes it to charity you should check out the gay non profits.

"Punching another in the face earned Ender a few laps; in Canada (and elsewhere no doubt) it would have earned him a criminal record"
Luckily telling someone to "tell your friends you lost a fight to a faggot" ensures they wont round up their friends.

Anonymous BioShock Jock March 13, 2015 3:50 PM  

"I'm smarter than they are and I have a large readership that respects my intelligence. They want what they see I've got, so they are trying to usurp the crown by revealing me to be an emperor wearing no clothes. When they talk about me being jealous of Scalzi, they're projecting. They're not only jealous of my public position as a popular blogger, they think I am unworthy of my popularity and they are the true and rightful blogger."

You're really not THAT smart, Vox. Please take a look at your track record in terms of politics. Just before the 2008 and 2012 elections you honestly thought McCain and Romney would win? And before that in 2008 Hillary would get the Democratic nomination? You were wrong every time.

Plus you got where you are (in a large part) because you were born into a wealthy family. You remind me of an old self-proclaimed super genius Warner Bros. animated character:

Operation: Rabbit

Plus you're also not nearly as brave and badass as you claim to be. Anyone can claim to be a super badass and super confident person online. If America was so important and so worth saving, why did you run off to Italy with your tail between your legs when the country was becoming less and less white? How do you expect for European Americans to win back America when the self-proclaimed super confident Sigmas and Alphas like yourself won't stay in the country and fight?

And yes, in my opinion, you are jealous of guys like Scalzi, because he's a lot more famous and sells many more books than you ever will. I'm not a fan of Scalzi, I was just using him as an example since you seemed to be so obsessed at hammering the poor bastard, but Scalzi's whole emasculated male feminist routine and that Gamma Rabbit t-shirt? That's a pathetic t-shirt and you were right to mock it. Wearing one of those would just make you appear to be a little too pussy whipped. Okay, now that I think about it if Scalzi wears that t-shirt maybe you are being honest when you say you aren't jealous since he's such a dork. Okay, ya got me there.

In terms of science fiction I like the older guys, Larry Niven, Ringworld, that sort of stuff. I like contemporary films, don't read much contemporary fiction.

And I honestly just think religion, all religion is just a human made concept, someone wrote something down in a book and said it was from the gods or God and people believed it because it made them feel better. As I see it the only good thing to come out of religion is the Catholic school girl outfits.

To be fair, I think some of what you say in terms of Game is correct, harsh, yet correct, though much of it seems to be lifted straight from Roissy. A lot of women are going to be attracted more to the bad boy Alpha then the sensitive Scalzi Gamma. That's got some truth in it. Someone earlier mentioned the film The Last American Virgin where the Gamma or Omega main character who pays for the hot girl's abortion and in the end she goes right back to the jerk Alpha who knocked her up in the first place.

In terms of politics, while I'm not a Democrat, I honestly think President Obama has overall been a good president. The Wall Street Dow is at an all time high, unemployment is down to 5% percent even according the right leaning publications like The Wall Street Journal, and Osama bin Laden is still dead. Even the right leaning Forbes magazine praised Obama multiple times in terms of his economic record.

Anyway, I acutally can admit when I've lost an argument, I've lost more than a few, but I was just wanting to rant the other day when I posted all that stuff. It was on my mind and just came out, even if you did find it all Gammatastic. I didn't do it at first since I didn't want to get banned.

Just wanted to respond to all this once. Even if does come across as another rant. Adios.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 13, 2015 3:51 PM  

When gays fight each other its like when girls fight but less chance of anyone getting hurt beyond slapping.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 13, 2015 3:55 PM  

"You're really not THAT smart, Vox. Please take a look at your track record in terms of politics. Just before the 2008 and 2012 elections you honestly thought McCain and Romney would win?"

Even Eric "Fast&furious" Holder admitted if Bath House Barry couldn't stop Voter ID he would lose. They managed to suppress Voter ID in several states. There is no logical answer to why Voter ID would disproportionately affect non Asian minorities because you need an ID to get on welfare where Asians and whites are underrepresented. Please explain why you think non-Asian minorities are too stupid and lazy to get ID for Voter ID?

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 13, 2015 4:02 PM  

unemployment is down to 5% percent
Any honest assessment would realize that we have the lowest employment participation since the great depression. The number of full time private sector workers is less than those on means tested govt benefits.

"someone wrote something down in a book and said it was from the gods"
Even if that was the case you would have to acknowledge that the bible contains a wealth of knowledge transferred from one generation to another. There is guidance for how to deal with all sorts of problems. The Koran's answer to everything is pillage, rape, & loot.

Anonymous Stickwick March 13, 2015 4:03 PM  

DT: Admit it Vox: he was close. Had he just finished his diatribe with "...and Vox is a big, stinky, POOPIE HEAD!" it would have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

No, no, no. The coup de grâce is "I won't be your friend!" He might've ended with "Your mother was a hamster..." but that would've been far too clever.

Anonymous tiredofitall March 13, 2015 4:34 PM  

“You're really not THAT smart, Vox.” - BioShock Jock

Do more lurking, less ankle biting. Better yet, do us all a favor and check through the site archives and count how many times he's on point about a subject versus his misses.

“Plus you got where you are (in a large part) because you were born into a wealthy family.” - BioShock Jock

As opposed to McRapey who got where he did by “playing the game on its lowest setting” alone.

“If America was so important and so worth saving, why did you run off to Italy with your tail between your legs when the country was becoming less and less white? How do you expect for European Americans to win back America when the self-proclaimed super confident Sigmas and Alphas like yourself won't stay in the country and fight?” - BioShock Jock

America is long past saving, at least the America most people talk about, the America of the past. The smart ones saw the writing on the wall and got out while they could. America as it exists now is a decomposing wreck of its former self and if I had the resources to do it, I'd get my pale ass out of it before the edifice crumbles and the vibrants take over.

“And yes, in my opinion, you are jealous of guys like Scalzi, because he's a lot more famous and sells many more books than you ever will. I'm not a fan of Scalzi, I was just using him as an example since you seemed to be so obsessed at hammering the poor bastard” - BioShock Jock

To be fair to Vox, McRapey started this whole shitshow by thinking he was going after an easy target. Attack some blog with what he thought would always be low numbers, and therefore he could make up whatever bullshit he wanted to about Vox with little fear of his warren questioning him. Turns out McRapey isn't as popular as he tried to pretend. And now that people can see he's a lying officious little prick they're abandoning his site in droves. McRapey was the architect to his own downfall. What with admitting he's a rapist, or that he plays life on “the easiest setting” by being born white and male, he's given all his fellow rabbits enough ammo to oust him from the safety of the warren whenever they choose.


“And I honestly just think religion, all religion is just a human made concept, someone wrote something down in a book and said it was from the gods or God and people believed it because it made them feel better.” - BioShock Jock

As an agnostic I say, “So what if it is?” Who is it hurting that someone believes in something I don't? As long as they leave me alone about it, I'm fine with religion/religious people doing whatever floats its boat.



“In terms of politics, while I'm not a Democrat, I honestly think President Obama has overall been a good president. The Wall Street Dow is at an all time high, unemployment is down to 5% percent even according the right leaning publications like The Wall Street Journal, and Osama bin Laden is still dead.” - BioShock Jock

Oh holy crap I nearly peed laughing at that! Obama is a good president? You think he has anything to do with economic success? After he got America demoted from a AAA rating? Not to mention all the budget clusterfucks he's overseen and approved with that stupid shit-eating grin on his face. Obama wants our country to fail, that way he can go to the desperate American public and “save” us from our problems. And it can be done by importing more vibrants, and giving out more gibmedats to the useless eaters and border jumpers who'll happily vote early and often for President Daddy and his cronies.

And regarding Osama, if Clinton hadn't been so focused on "BlowjobGate" he could've done the job a decade or so earlier.

Fuck Obama and anyone who thinks like him. If reality was in any way fair he'd be Barry “choom gang” Obama, living off the government tit in the projects with his bitch and two whelps.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother March 13, 2015 5:01 PM  

Bioshock Jock,

I hope someone else took your place on Scalzi's knob while you left a snail trail to Vox Populi.

Blogger JartStar March 13, 2015 5:12 PM  

Just wanted to respond to all this once. Even if does come across as another rant. Adios.

Here are my oh so special words and now I'm leaving. Don't forget that it isn't a rant, but rather a response, and it's special.

Blogger Vox March 13, 2015 5:12 PM  

“Plus you got where you are (in a large part) because you were born into a wealthy family.”

No. My father was a poor farm boy on scholarship to MIT. If anything, I would have done much better if my family hadn't been so wealthy and comfortable. You simply have no idea what you're talking about. If my Dad had given me one-twentieth the support people like you think he did, I'd be a billionaire.

I'm not complaining. He had his vision and he pursued it. He even admits he should have pursued mine instead. What finally killed my sound board was a fucking 256-color module! And it would have been a real risk to ignore both CAD and Windows and focus on games instead. But hindsight is 20-20, and at the time, he was on a roll.

As it happens, my family appears to have been on several severe boom and bust cycles. I would say we tend to be brilliant, but erratic, with too much appetite for risk.

And yes, in my opinion, you are jealous of guys like Scalzi, because he's a lot more famous and sells many more books than you ever will. I'm not a fan of Scalzi, I was just using him as an example since you seemed to be so obsessed at hammering the poor bastard, but Scalzi's whole emasculated male feminist routine and that Gamma Rabbit t-shirt? That's a pathetic t-shirt and you were right to mock it. Wearing one of those would just make you appear to be a little too pussy whipped. Okay, now that I think about it if Scalzi wears that t-shirt maybe you are being honest when you say you aren't jealous since he's such a dork. Okay, ya got me there.

You are welcome to your opinion, but it's not only wrong, it's stupid. Larry Correia sells more books than Scalzi does and he's on a much faster success trajectory? Am I jealous of him too? James Patterson sells an order of magnitude more books than they do. How about him? Patrick Rothfuss? Stephen King?

Most of all, if I was jealous of Scalzi, why don't I write his kind of books? Do you really think I'm so stupid that I can't figure out it takes longer to write original 850-page epic fantasies than 300-page ripoffs? The idea that a game designer who has been speaking at major game conferences for nearly 20 years and teaching at institutes is jealous of a lowly game writer whose one game is getting mediocre ratings is simply crazy.

Anyhow, don't you get it? I don't even consider myself a professional writer any more than I consider myself a professional footballer. It's my hobby.

To be fair, I think some of what you say in terms of Game is correct, harsh, yet correct, though much of it seems to be lifted straight from Roissy.

Seems to be? It is. I have never claimed to invent anything in that arena. All I did was extend his work on sexuality to socio-sexuality and note the obvious hierarchy.

Blogger ajw308 March 13, 2015 5:27 PM  

Obama is truly the ultimate gamma.

The problem being, he actually made it to the top...

He's never built anything, it's always been handed to him, which reinforces the Gamma mindset of "I could have been [enviable position] if only..." I expect he believes his "You didn't build that" attitude because he can't imagine doing it himself.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 13, 2015 5:52 PM  

"Obama is truly the ultimate gamma. The problem being, he actually made it to the top"

Look underneath and see George Soros' puppeteer arm going up his bottom. "You didn't build that" when they say it takes a village to raise a child just think of how many it would require to build a chair.

OpenID simplytimothy March 14, 2015 9:13 AM  

Anyhow, don't you get it? I don't even consider myself a professional writer any more than I consider myself a professional footballer. It's my hobby.

Is there anything that you do that you consider your calling? (no need to name it, just a yes or no if you are so inclined)

Anonymous BioShock Jock March 15, 2015 12:14 PM  

Barack Obama is the first black President of the United States. That's an amazing accomplishment. Plus he got two terms which was twice as hard. There's not enough white guilt, tokenism, affirmative action or quotas to get someone two terms as President. He got there because he campaigned hard for it, came across as likable, won almost all of the debates and was in the right place and the right time. Obama is on the nerdy side yet he couldn't come across as the angry black man stereotype if he wanted to be President. American Presidents have to come across as nice and even tempered. After building and accomplishing all that he's a Sigma or an Alpha. We can just agree to disagree.

Anonymous tiredofitall March 15, 2015 12:55 PM  

"After building and accomplishing all that he's a Sigma or an Alpha. We can just agree to disagree." - BioShock Jock

Oh please, he's a gamma at best, or if the rumors are to be believed a closeted lambda. He got to where he is on bullshit promises of hope and change, and the backing of the elites who needed a new empty suit to occupy the white house for them.


Anonymous Discard March 16, 2015 2:12 AM  

Bioshock Jock: BHO was elected with the backing of Wall Street, the mass media, the intellectuals, and tens of millions of imported Diversitoids. Hell, even I could have been elected will all that on my side.

OpenID agalltyr March 18, 2015 9:23 AM  

I think you're either stereotyping or I don't understand what a "gamma" male is, because I think I'm a gamma male, and I would not act like a passive-aggressive bitch towards a fellow teammate on a sports team. Forgiveness seems logical after a fight with a friend.

I'm also missing why it's wrong to criticize religion. I see religion and science as both having holes, which is why I try to pay attention to both.

The reason I think I'm gamma is because I'm not a strong leader and don't even enjoy controlling other people, but I also don't submit to other people's authority readily either, and I think you are making assumptions to imply that this necessitates childish behavior.

I wish the whole world was gamma. Unfortunately, most people are either semi-smart leaders or dumb followers, and these truly childish idiots assume that gammas want to be like that too (but we don't, because we can think and are more evolved than you brutal animals). So, gammas don't fit in very well to your paradigm. It's unfortunate.

Jesus was a gamma male, in case you didn't notice. He was masculine but appreciated that women deserve respect, and he constantly questioned authority figures (which is why he was killed). He also predicted that many false prophets would come in his name, and these arrogant fools would assume their place in Heaven, but they would be wrong.

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