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Monday, March 30, 2015

Transgenderism is child abuse

Words don't suffice to describe how intrinsically harmful the evil, unscientific nonsense of "transition" is to the children of the psychological freaks involved:
My biggest concern at age nine was how to keep my daddy’s secret, the one he revealed to me as we sat alone on a hill near our home. In a sense, I lost my dad that day, when he told me he wanted to become a woman. As I tried to process that revelation, he blindsided me with another. He told me he never wanted to have children. To him, my siblings and I were mistakes, because we did not align with his desires.

His confessions left me confused and hurt. After all, I just wanted a dad who would love and cherish me, who would make me feel special as a daughter. I felt rejected and abandoned by my own father. By the time I was eleven, my dad had begun to abuse me emotionally and sexually. Even so, I continued to keep my dad’s secret locked away, deep down in my heart.

My dad created a home environment that made me feel as if I was walking on pins and needles. His resentment over my possession of what he so deeply desired for himself—a woman’s body—turned into anger and abuse. As his desires intensified, he began to borrow my clothing. Many times I discovered my underclothes and tops under bathroom towels, or in the attic—often in places I had not been. I learned to organize my clothes just so, in order to know if he had been in my dresser drawers. When I confirmed that he’d worn an article of my clothing, I simply could not bring myself to ever wear that item again.
The thing that is so ridiculous about "transgenderism" is that it flies completely in the face of both science and religion. You have to be an indoctrinated moron to take the concept seriously; most people that make a big production about saying "she" where "he" is the genetically appropriate pronoun obviously know better. As Orwell pointed out, the more ridiculous the concept in which you are willing to feign belief, the more complete your intellectual submission.

To look at a man and say "she is a woman" is on the level of insisting that 2+2=5. It's all about control of the narrative. Never, ever, submit to it.

Nor should it be any surprise that those who are so transgressive as to mutilate themselves in order to pretend to be something they are not are going to be inordinately inclined to maltreat and abuse others. Including their own children.

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Blogger David March 30, 2015 11:09 AM  

Even as adults people do not entirely surmount such rejection by a biological parent.

Ask any self-aware adoptee.

The abuse described is a far worse exhibit on the same sad continuum of behavior that treats the wondrous nature of life as a curse.

Anonymous Nathan March 30, 2015 11:11 AM  

Poe's Law? Or ignorance of genetics?

Blogger J Thomas March 30, 2015 11:12 AM  

I knew a lovely young woman who worked at a coffee place I frequent. She eventually became a "he". It was so disappointing.

But after seeing the terror in her face when she talked about different things, I realized what the real issue was, and that she was absolutely terrified of who she was, what she had become, and it had little to do with "gender identity", and everything to do with the black hole/vacuum of where she was raised. And after I met her mom, after seeing the void in her, it all made sense.

In our merely human condition, child abuse destroys not only the child, but the adult as well.

Blogger David March 30, 2015 11:12 AM  

"Professor" obviously doesn't teach biology.

Blogger Noah B March 30, 2015 11:14 AM  

"Professor" obviously doesn't teach biology.

Why would you say that? He's probably head of the department somewhere.

Anonymous hausfrau March 30, 2015 11:17 AM  

I believe the psychiatric term is Gender dysmorphia, at least way back when it was recognized as a mental illness. You'd think the high suicide rate of transgendered people would be pretty convincing evidence that it is a mental illness, but no. It is only evidence that not enough people believe 2+2=5.

"Don't try to use "Because Sky Daddy said so..." as your pathetic excuse either."
You sounded so entirely reasonable up to this point. Tell me more about how "There is ZERO way to prove someone is a male or female scientifically".

Blogger Alexander Thompson March 30, 2015 11:18 AM  

Had to look at the name above the first comment to realize parody. Scary world.

Blogger grendel March 30, 2015 11:19 AM  

I think it's another pseudonymous scooby shitpost.

Blogger dw March 30, 2015 11:19 AM  

Poe's Law has failed us. The discourse today is so retarded you can't write something too ridiculous cause there's always a liberal somewhere that believes it.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 30, 2015 11:20 AM  

It's always a question these days if someone is a troll, or actually a double-troll, pretending to be a troll writing outrageous things. I'll assume the Professor is a double-troll, but I'd advise him to knock it off. Leftys are just too looney to parody. You simply can't write something idiotic, self-contradictory, or nonsensical enough to go beyond what they say for real.

I mean, when you combine accusing your opponents of being "science-deniers" with basing your own argument on rejecting basic biology and throw in a bigotted dismissal of religion with "Sky Daddy", all in response to a post about the horrible consequences of leftism on innocent children, - basically rejecting every possible outside source of information about the world in favor of the most callous sort of narcicistic selfishness - and you still can't exaggerate what real leftys actually believe... well, give it up Prof. They're beyond parody.

Anonymous Mike Mike March 30, 2015 11:22 AM  

DSM-V doesn't classify it as a disorder anymore... now it just focuses on the "emotional distress" caused by the "assigned" gender and the "expressed" gender. So instead of treating it rightly as a mental disorder we treat sufferers by chopping off their dicks and pumping them up with hormones the rest of their life. Sounds reasonable to me.

Blogger David March 30, 2015 11:24 AM  

If that's actually a university-employed instructor of any scientific field I guess I'll have to give my M.S. In biology to the University of Illinois.

Anonymous Will Best March 30, 2015 11:25 AM  

Had to look at the name above the first comment to realize parody. Scary world

The simple fact that it was the first post means the person is a regular reader. Which tends to wait more for parody, because there wouldn't have been time to summon a rabbit. Though I suppose one could be regularly stationed here.

OpenID luagha March 30, 2015 11:32 AM  

You meet a lot of transgenders in the gay community. All have multiple crazy to them. Most of the ones I meet are +1 to +3 SD intellectually (likely in part because i live in Silicon Valley, likely in part because lower intelligence people use different coping mechanisms).

They are a pretty amazing demonstration of my favorite saying of Vox that I came across here, about how each of us is given different challenges in this life.

Most of us will not have the kinds of rhetorical tools we need to deal with them - to accept them while not accepting their problem and not hurting a broken fragile person further - but we can all pray and that preparation comes out in conversing with them.

Anonymous hausfrau March 30, 2015 11:34 AM  

Oops. The term is gender dysphoria.

Anonymous Don March 30, 2015 11:34 AM  

Milo has written about this issue and taken hell for it. He has rightly called it a mental illness that needs treatment, not people feeding their delusions and mutilating their genitals.

Anonymous AlteredFate March 30, 2015 11:35 AM  

I have since childhood referred to any person who's sex I cannot immediately identify as "it." Always seems to get the point across.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 30, 2015 11:36 AM  

I believe the psychiatric term is Gender dysmorphia, at least way back when it was recognized as a mental illness. You'd think the high suicide rate of transgendered people would be pretty convincing evidence that it is a mental illness

Indeed, there's a very poor success rate producing emotionally healthy people by agreeing with their delusions. But that shouldn't be a surprise. Why would anyone think indulging a mental illness will help? If someone's an alcoholic, buying them a case of whiskey isn't a cure. If someone's a crack addict, helping them make a new crack pipe isn't showing that you care. Encouraging someone in their mental illness is the Dr. Kevorkian approach to treating it. It's just helping them to destroy themselves.

And as this story shows, hurt other people in the process.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 30, 2015 11:37 AM  

I would like to take a more sophisticated approach. Socrates would ask that the same criteria be used across the board.

We all know that people are born mentally retarded, right? There are defects in the brain.

We all know that people are born physically handicapped right from the get go, right?
There are defects in the physical body.

We also have people that are born with immune deficiencies. There are defects in their immune systems.

We also have people that are born with mineral, vitamin, hormone, deficiencies.

Conclusion: Some people are born with defects. This is a NORMAL situation.

If there are physical defects, if there are mental defects, if there are hormonal, mineral, immune defects---it only goes to show that there are also defects of gender. That area of the gender Hormones and soul can have defects from birth.

I believe that there is a real case for "Gender dysmorphia". What that man needed was professional psychiatric counseling before he screwed up his daughter. He should have gone to a professional instead of talking to his daughter.

Psychopaths are born all the time. Where is this "Lack of empathy"? In the gene or in the soul? But when they murder, we still put them to death.

Gender dsymorphia has happened throughout time and in almost every culture. Look, even the physical body gets it wrong when some people are born with BOTH male and female parts! That is scientific. Just because it is a physical manifestation doesn't make the psychological gender dysmorphia any less real.

Blogger hank.jim March 30, 2015 11:38 AM  

Transgenerism is no different than divorce or death. You lose the parent. You lose whatever connection you had with the previous generation. We are all orphans in this new selfishness that has no end to the madness.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 30, 2015 11:42 AM  

There is ZERO way to prove someone is a male or female scientifcally.

I know your post was probably satire, but that statement is too close to the truth. Science, according to the Left, disproves God, proves climate change, proves that we are predestined to be either liberal or conservative, proves that a fetus is not a person, etc.

Yet it cannot determine a person's sex?

Anonymous Heaviside March 30, 2015 11:43 AM  

Trannies are a logical outgrowth of the liberal-capitalist paradigm where the individual is a completely abstract legal-ethical entity whose body is mere property to be disposed of in any arbitrary fashion. Full communism now!

Blogger JartStar March 30, 2015 11:48 AM  

I wonder if anyone is ever confused about the sex of their pets and livestock? They can't breed cows because they keep putting two bulls together in a pen.

Blogger Vox March 30, 2015 11:50 AM  

Had to look at the name above the first comment to realize parody. Scary world.

Good point. I'll have to start spamming them. And when someone starts crying about how they can't comment any longer, we'll know who was doing it.

Anonymous Aeoli March 30, 2015 11:53 AM  

Trans is a fetish (they *only* get aroused this way), but even more than gays they take it very personally. I don't understand how a particular vice can consume a person's mind like this with such consistency.

I mean, imagine if smokers defined their entire identities around their habit, to the point that they destroyed their children as an afterthought.

Anonymous Aeoli March 30, 2015 12:00 PM  

And imagining I woke up tomorrow with my body swapped out for a female version, I can't say I'd destroy my life and my family's lives trying to fix the mistake.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 30, 2015 12:01 PM  

"There is ZERO way to prove someone is a male or female scientifcally."

I have managed to find a way. The rule of thumb, if it doesn't have something that can be bigger than my thumb I throw it back.


"Most of the ones I meet are +1 to +3 SD intellectually (likely in part because i live in Silicon Valley."

Apex fallacy . You like the leftist pollsters ignore all the homeless trannies in SF, NYC and DC, I am willing to bet if someone rounded them all up and tested them they wouldn't be all that. Take an uber car with its windows rolled up and doors locked to see them. The tranny crack hoes at Marian Barry's parties cant do math in their head. I have never meet a happy tranny. Boys that are raised by 2 lesbians probably have it worse, social workers think that its safe because the lesbians wont lick the boy all day, but they mess with his head.

Anonymous Aeoli March 30, 2015 12:08 PM  

BigGaySteve,

I assume by "lick" you mean "beat". We are talking sexual perverts, remember.

Blogger SarahsDaughter March 30, 2015 12:09 PM  

My husband is currently hesitant to have a facet nerve ablated due to the possibility of phantom pain.

Had me asking the googles yet another bizarre question.

Sure enough.

Anonymous bw March 30, 2015 12:10 PM  

You'd think the high suicide rate of transgendered people would be pretty convincing evidence that it is a mental illness, but no.

They could give two shits about transgendered people or troubled people in general, outside of their own narcissistic, limited self.

always a liberal somewhere

Orwell warned about their use of and changing of language.
You're using their psych terms and playing their game. Gotta get over that Rush and GOP propaganda shit. And there's nothing conservative or liberal about Statist Authoritarian Fascists. It is an heirarchy of bricks of Power building the pyramid, not a left vs right linear paradigm - which is more than 20 cents....

Anonymous Jack Amok March 30, 2015 12:13 PM  

Trans is a fetish...I don't understand how a particular vice can consume a person's mind like this with such consistency...defined their entire identities around their habit...

I think the real fetish is closer to Exhibitionism. They want people to look at them engaged in something sexual, but who would want to? So dressing up as a woman becomes a way for them to force other people to participate in their sexual activities.

Anonymous Aeoli March 30, 2015 12:14 PM  

Actually, I take it back. The consistent pattern of actions of trannies can be understood as narcissism produced by a high, sustained level of distress.

Pitiable, but all the more reason they ought to be restrained.

Captcha was "odHer". Nice.

Anonymous paradox March 30, 2015 12:15 PM  

Satire? If not, please enlighten me as to how egalitarian communism isn't pro-transgender.

{grabs popcorn}

Anonymous zen0 March 30, 2015 12:17 PM  

> I mean, imagine if smokers defined their entire identities around their habit, to the point that they destroyed their children as an afterthought.

As an ex smoker, I suggest one of the reasons smoking is so hard to quit is that it does in fact involve identity crisis.

Anonymous Smokey March 30, 2015 12:18 PM  

The only midway-reasonable defense I'd ever heard of trannies was someone citing a study that claimed that trannies had brains that were identical to women's brains. I just assumed that this was evidence that we needed to research brains more.

Anonymous Aeoli March 30, 2015 12:24 PM  

JackAmok,

Exhibitionism is a normal female sexual behavior, and a kink in some men who get a wire or two crossed. It's not a surprise that somebody who gets their sexual identity bit flipped to zero would also start showing some normal female mental traits (also solipsism, for instance).

Speaking from anecdote, it is enough for the fetishist to imagine himself as a girl to trigger arousal. Exhibition is a kink that strengthens the arousal.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 30, 2015 12:28 PM  

I doubt there is much love or desire in the Democratic party coalition for much more of this LGBTVD ect. ect hysteria. I think any reasonable person with even a limited amount of rhetorical ability could drop kick this nonsense to the curb. Look at Gay Tim Cook making an ass of himself, one question asking if he would force muslims to conform to his wishes would shut him up.

Anonymous Heaviside March 30, 2015 12:29 PM  

>Satire? If not, please enlighten me as to how egalitarian communism isn't pro-transgender.

These manifold varieties of sexual deviance are just bourgeois decadence, like Enver Hoxha said. How many queer rights activists do you think there are in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

Blogger Danby March 30, 2015 12:31 PM  

@Smokey,
Like the "Gay Brain" that was discovered in the 1980's it is a case of a reasearcher with an agenda seeing what he wants to see..

Kathy Shaidel has a phrase she uses as a tag for these kinds of stories;
"A tranny is a mentally ill castration fetishist."

That, along with the fact that suicide rates among trannies are higher after surgery than before, just about says it all.

"You're sick and everyone pretending you're a woman won't make you well."

Anonymous TLM March 30, 2015 12:33 PM  

The Bible, as well as other ancient writings, tell us of demon possession being quite common. Me thinks that hasn't changed at all, its just the idea of demons, the supernatural, etc scares so many people that they'd rather put their heads in the sand and claim it's some sort of psychological disease or disorder rather than what it is, evil doing what it does to mock the Lord.

Anonymous Stickwick March 30, 2015 12:34 PM  

To look at a man and say "she is a woman" is on the level of insisting that 2+2=5. It's all about control of the narrative. Never, ever, submit to it.

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 30, 2015 12:35 PM  

Aeoli March 30, 2015 12:08 PM BigGaySteve,I assume by "lick" you mean "beat". We are talking sexual perverts, remember

No Lesbians could Lena Dunham a girl all day, so some social workers think its safer to let them adopt boys.

Anonymous Randy M March 30, 2015 12:37 PM  

"To look at a man and say "she is a woman" is on the level of insisting that 2+2=5. It's all about control of the narrative. Never, ever, submit to it. "

Thanks, I now have the perfect response to anyone who says something along the lines of "What's the harm in using the pronouns that she chooses for herself?"

There! Are! Four! Lights!

Blogger Doom March 30, 2015 12:40 PM  

Agreed. However, and on the whole, all things being equal, state wards are in a worse situation that remaining with parents, even abusive ones. It's a simple choice. If some families decide to end one of their children's genetic projection, I guess that is a sad but true thing. Slightly less evil than abortion, as well, which is totally unregulated as to what woman can get one. Many using prescription anymore. Aren't they handing those out to school girls, without notifying parents, in some places now?

Choices. This is one of them. Just remember, when the government is here to help, it's only going to get worse. Which, actually, is why we are at a point in society where an idiot would even think of letting a child choose to be neutered or spayed, physically or chemically. That's... gonna leave a mark. It is this bullshit about equality under the law leading to rights, privileges, and choices, for people who shouldn't have them.

Anonymous ZhukovG March 30, 2015 12:40 PM  

The speed at which progressives now seem to embrace devience after devience; I wonder how long until there is nothing against which they will disapprove.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 30, 2015 12:47 PM  

No Lesbians could Lena Dunham a girl all day, so some social workers think its safer to let them adopt boys.

Which leads them to giving the boys estrogen hormones and telling them they're girls.

And then the "girls" go and murder a bunch of people at a summer camp...

Anonymous Randy M March 30, 2015 12:48 PM  

Ack, Stickwick beat me to it by 3 minutes! With a link too.

Blogger Krul March 30, 2015 1:01 PM  

Re Stickwick,

I see your Four Lights, and raise you Four Lines. Its important to speak out and expose irrational narratives for the lies they are, or else the most blatant falsehoods can get passed off as unassailable fact while those who see the truth either remain silent or, worse, begin to doubt their own minds.

Anonymous JamesV March 30, 2015 1:01 PM  

Whenever this issue comes up I always think of my favorite Dalrymple quote from The Wilder Shores of Marx:

“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

Blogger SQT March 30, 2015 1:06 PM  

Even as adults people do not entirely surmount such rejection by a biological parent.

Ask any self-aware adoptee.


I *thought* I had no issues with rejection until I actually met my bio mom. I guess some things are buried so deep it takes a jarring event to make you aware of it.

Blogger bob k. mando March 30, 2015 1:11 PM  

Jack Amok March 30, 2015 12:13 PM
So dressing up as a woman becomes a way for them to force other people to participate in their sexual activities.



ages and ages ago, i worked for Radio Shack as a manager trainee / asst mgr.

one day a flagrant transvestite came into the store ( three day stubble on face with full makeup/eyeliner/etc and knee high skirt with unshaven legs, etc ). all the regular sales drones ran to the back to tell me he was in the store ( i had been unloading a truck or something ), but they wouldn't got talk to him.

so, i went out, walked straight up to him, said hi, and asked if i could help.

he asked if we had any knitting supplies ( or something equally absurd ).

IN A RADIO SHACK.

i politely told him that we didn't have any clothing or sewing related products but that he could try at the crafts store in the mall, they'd probably have what he was looking for.

and, with that, he was on his way.

without getting what he wanted *from me*.

all the sales drones running away from him? that's what he was LOOKING FOR. you don't wear skirts with unshaven legs and full makeup with a three day stubble because you're trying to 'pass' as female.

he wanted drama. it's possible he even wanted to get attacked.

faced with a refusal to give him his Narcissistic Supply, he went on down the road. never saw him again.

Anonymous paradox March 30, 2015 1:23 PM  

That's an example of an authoritarian dictatorship suppressing transgenderism. A different communist dictatorship could be pro-transgender.

So how is communism philosophically opposed to transgenderism?

Blogger bob k. mando March 30, 2015 1:23 PM  

physicist demonstrates inability to differentiate between logical argument and existence:
http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1505

Blogger Azimus March 30, 2015 1:27 PM  

This kind of crap pushes ordinary people who can't stand it anymore into the hands of Islam, cults, etc.

Anonymous Steve March 30, 2015 1:35 PM  

It's interesting that trannies are about 0.001% of the population, yet if you look at the anti-Gamergate crowd, there's an incredible concentration of decepticons in their ranks.

Brianna Wu is the most famous one, but there are many others.

What I'm wondering is: why?

Are trannies instinctively drawn to authoritarian SJW narrative framing? Is it just a case of one type of crazy attracting another? Or are autistic geeks more likely to chop their own dicks off and prance around in skirts?

Anonymous bw March 30, 2015 1:39 PM  

not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate

Yes, this exactly. Exellent. It is an isolation and shaming technique, bereft of the facts of history and nature. It is nothing more than peer pressure and behaviorism in a certain direction for a certain agenda, with language being a key pressure point as Orwell noted (see: "homophobe, anti-Semite, anti-government, truther, denier, misogynist, racist, conspiracy theorist, gay, liberal, conservative", etc, both "positive and negative" trigger words and language, sans any meaningful adherence to definitions and meaning itself).

Anonymous George March 30, 2015 1:41 PM  

The book that cleared up this phenomenon for me is Michael Bailey's "The Man Who Would Be Queen." He argues that there are two types of male-to-female transgendered people:

1) Homosexual transgenders. These are feminized men who are feminine enough to pass as actual women if given hormonal treatments early enough in adolescence. They are attracted to concrete instances of masculinity and are super-lambdas. They transition early and often attempt to live as actual women, failing due to the masculine components of their personality.

2) Heterosexual transgenders (autogynephiliacs). These are men who have a kink: they get off on imagining themselves as women. When they fantasize about sex as women they don't imagine concrete mail partners but instead use the "men" in their fantasies as props for their kink. These men tend to "come out" later in life, have children, work in highly abstract professions (there is a correlation between aspergery intellectual profiles and paraphilia in general), masturbate while wearing women's clothing, and generally suck at passing as women.

Bailey took a lot of flack for his book, but he really is a solid liberal ally of these people. It is unsurprising that people in the second category would turn on someone who exposes the inherently sexual nature of their desire to wear women's clothing (none of this "expressing their feminine side" non-sense). They tend to be messed up, to put it mildly.

I know someone who was married to an autogynephiliac: it is horrible. I would wager the women abused by her father described in this post had an autogynephiliac for a father.

Bailey's book also gives an easy overview of the work done on the natural basis of masculinity and femininity, for what it's worth.

Blogger George March 30, 2015 1:42 PM  

Steve: autistic geeks are more likely to chop their own dicks off and prance around. Brianna Wu is a textbook autogynephiliac.

Anonymous Stephen J. March 30, 2015 1:48 PM  

It's not people who suffer from gender identity dysphoria itself who are the problem. It's the would-be crusaders who want to use their plight as an excuse for their own moral posturing and self-validation.

Personally, I've never seen how one can both reject "gender essentialism" as bigotry and yet still believe that gender dysphoria reflects one's "true self", but then I have this odd addiction to logic and consistency, which I have been reliably informed is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Anonymous Trimegistus March 30, 2015 2:00 PM  

They are the castrated priests of the Great Mother Goddess Liberalism.

Anonymous Geoff March 30, 2015 2:02 PM  

BigGaySteve,

First, the fact that you comment here is just awesome.

Second, what do you make of the new religious freedom law in Indiana? The gay community apparently thinks it's all about them. I'm not sure how "religious freedom" equals "anti-gay" but the mainstream media and the SJWs are certainly in an uproar.

Blogger B.J. March 30, 2015 2:06 PM  

I agree 100%

I still can't believe when I'm talking to ostensibly rational people, who reject all the feminist PC SJW nonsense, but then turn around and chastise me for "misgendering" someone. Everyone is so afraid of being labeled "transphobic" that no discussion is even possible. Shows how far the programming has gone.

Blogger luagha March 30, 2015 2:08 PM  

Thanks, George. The transgenders that I meet are the autogynephiliacs, then; although their personal traumas can be pretty broad and the autogynephilia is in my opinion the reaction, not the cause.

The tranny crack hos down on the corner are doing drag for confrontation/attention/deflection of criminality.

Blogger Student in Blue March 30, 2015 2:10 PM  

@Steve
In my experience, George has the right of it in that it's "autistic geeks are more likely to chop their own dicks off and prance around."

Gammas are kings of delusion, after all.

Anonymous hausfrau March 30, 2015 2:16 PM  

"Why would anyone think indulging a mental illness will help? If someone's an alcoholic, buying them a case of whiskey isn't a cure. If someone's a crack addict, helping them make a new crack pipe isn't showing that you care. "

perhaps a good comparison would be telling a schizophrenic his hallucinations are real. Of course, we all demons can't be real because SCIENCE(!) so schizophrenics are still just crazy. One day, if this denial of reality continues unchallenged, I could see an activist movement for schizophrenia acceptance. I can't wait for the first discrimination suit against an airline for not hiring a schizophrenic pilot. It's just judgmental to assume they're all paranoid and incapable of controlling themselves. And when that airplane crashes into an Alpine mountain, it will be because the pilot's coworkers were just too bigoted and made him feel bad about his condition.

Blogger Danby March 30, 2015 2:38 PM  

@hausfrau,
One day, if this denial of reality continues unchallenged, I could see an activist movement for schizophrenia acceptance. I

They already tried that. There's one small problem with Loony Liberation. They're Loonies. Feminist founding mother Kate Millet in 1973 started a mental patients rights movement. She was planning to use the attention attracted by her feminist film to launch it for the academic public. Her sister recalls:

During the speech after the screening [of Millett’s feminist documentary film Three Lives] she fell apart onstage before a packed assembly of fawning admirers. It was a standing room only audience. In fact, they had had to schedule a second screening at the last minute, as the response had been huge. As I sat next to her lectern during her incoherent ravings I witnessed the pained looks of confusion as they swept across those faces like a small gale whipping up across the top of a sea; at first tiny ripples gliding across the surface. They were polite until the realization took shape that she was making no sense whatsoever. People began glancing at each other, whispering a little then turning to one another with more energy, politeness gone, as some began to get up and leave. Soon many were slipping out and that was followed by a mad dash for the exits. She was babbling and shouting incoherently whilst I nodded and pretended every word made perfect sense.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera March 30, 2015 2:39 PM  

>Steve: autistic geeks are more likely to chop their own dicks off and prance around. Brianna Wu is a textbook autogynephiliac.

Neanderhall has only had one so far, but that's probably down to heavy selection bias.

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Blogger Bogey March 30, 2015 2:39 PM  

Transgender people don't want anyone to ruin their immersion. Sorry, I don't RP in real life.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother March 30, 2015 2:45 PM  

Over Christmas I asked an SJW masquerading as a liberty activist if someone claiming to be Jesus or Napoleon should be taken at face value, and also that the support and empathy and acceptance of people who need mental help is killing them instead of helping them. Several Ilk and I stood as bulwarks against the tsunami of progressive hate and vitriol that dashed fruitlessly against our wall of logic and truth. 500+ comments of pure fun and learning ensued.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 30, 2015 2:55 PM  

"Are trannies instinctively drawn to authoritarian SJW narrative framing?"

Its a matter of power, no one else will make them a queen.

Geoff:BigGaySteve,First, the fact that you comment here is just awesome. Second, what do you make of the... freedom law in Indiana?

Its actually discussed over at Gaypatriot With 37 comments http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/03/26/indiana-stands-for-freedom/. There are 2 Steves that post over their I am the one that doesn't try to seduce underage drunk STR8 guys down by the railroad tracks.
"They can always go to BigGaySteve’s wedding chapel, liquor store, bakery, & church of Bacchus to get married if the Temple of the Gay Bacon Eating Grindr Rabbi is booked."

Did you see the new tranny entryists over at the NSA http://news.yahoo.com/nsa-shooting-fort-meade-gate-men-dressed-as-women-154647122.html

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 30, 2015 2:58 PM  

Geoff: BigGaySteve,..what do you make of the... freedom law in Indiana?

Think of the people that sue to be the gay equivalent of black women that fall in jewelry stores.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 30, 2015 2:59 PM  

Can one of the token fly-by SJW reader of Vox Popoli please tell me what is now the proper attitude toward auto-acrotomophilia, please? I'm at a loss for how much acceptance is required on my part as it obviously can no longer be considered mental illness. Thanks in advance.

Anonymous Stephen J. March 30, 2015 3:07 PM  

I was also reminded of something else that continues to bug me about the trans-right movements when I read the strip Questionable Content: chronic dishonesty in presentation.

Whenever a trans person or character is depicted on screen they are almost always (unless the effect desired is comic, e.g. David Duchovny in Twin Peaks) either portrayed by an actor of the appropriate natural biological sex (e.g. Felicity Huffman), or by someone benefiting from the vast array of costume, makeup and F/X assistance a staged production can bring to bear (e.g. Laverne Cox). Even webcomics fall victim to this; the trans characters in Questionable Content or Menage a 3 are all drawn to rigorously resemble the sex they present as rather than their original sex, and no hint of anything that might spoil or betray the illusion -- scar lines, stubble, muscle patterns, height or hand size, etc. -- is ever shown. (I have to give kudos to Transparent here as being the first show ever to portray an unattractive trans character, as played by Jeffrey Tambor; but the show's platform as an Amazon Prime streaming show means that it is very hard to isolate the kind of viewing numbers that might reveal just how much audience the show actually has beyond its devoted critic-fans.)

If your cause is so naturally sympathetic, you shouldn't be afraid of having your fictional cheerleaders look more like what people really look like in reality.

Blogger David March 30, 2015 3:14 PM  

"I *thought* I had no issues with rejection until I actually met my bio mom. I guess some things are buried so deep it takes a jarring event to make you aware of it."

Been there, d.t., etc.

I can be disorienting to realize that a seemingly successful, well-adjusted person with 20 years more experience is way more confused than you.

Being an adoptee is to always be a foundling, and it requires strength to emerge whole from the Void.

OpenID malcolmthecynic March 30, 2015 3:28 PM  

Stephen J,

Ugh, I tried reading QC based off of strong hearsay. I eventually gave up on it when he called the Pope a motherfucker then claimed he didn't have to apologize because he "used to be Catholic".

Also, that main character really could not be a bigger loser. Son of a bitch.

Anonymous Heaviside March 30, 2015 3:34 PM  

>So how is communism philosophically opposed to transgenderism?

There is no such thing as "communism," there are various different ideas that might be called "communist". However, if we take "communism" to mean "radical anti-capitalism," then "communism" must also be fundamentally against the liberal capitalist notion of individual rights, which is the basis for most of the rhetoric of the LGBT movement.

Anonymous Stephen J. March 30, 2015 3:44 PM  

"I eventually gave up on it when he called the Pope a motherfucker then claimed he didn't have to apologize because he 'used to be Catholic'."

Ugh, I missed that part. When was this? (I ask because I am masochistically curious to know whether Jacques meant John Paul or Benedict; given that the strip only started in 2003 I am betting Benedict, but this is the sort of thing that piques my interest.)

Anonymous Stephen J. March 30, 2015 3:47 PM  

Malcolm: Never mind, I looked it up myself and found out it was Benedict. Quelle surprise.

Anonymous Sheila March 30, 2015 3:55 PM  

"Being an adoptee is to always be a foundling, and it requires strength to emerge whole from the Void."

Not trying to detail the thread, so if this is too out of place, ignore or delete. If this always being a foundling is so, and is the feeling among a majority of adoptees, then what is the point of people adopting anyone? I must confess that I already find myself tending to side with the rejected, adoptive parents whenever I read of an adoptee's "joyous" reunion with his biological parents. While it is better for a pregnant teen to give birth rather than abort, it seems to me it is also usually far better (for both the teen AND the child) that the child be adopted by people ready and willing to be parents. Your comment contradicts this. What is the ultimate outcome, then? Can no adoptee ever accept their adoptive parents but must forever mourn their biological parents, whatever the circumstances of conception (rape, abuse, horny teenagers, etc.)?

Anonymous Sheila March 30, 2015 3:56 PM  

Oops, didn't proof read. Don't mean to DERAIL the thread; sorry.

Blogger Owen March 30, 2015 4:01 PM  

Speaking of people prone to abuse...

Blogger Student in Blue March 30, 2015 4:02 PM  

@Sheila
The point isn't that adoptions shouldn't happen, rather that there are several unknown stresses adoptees undergo.

Blogger Student in Blue March 30, 2015 4:06 PM  

@Telford
Oho, you're equating it with religion? So are you saying there's no scientific basis behind Transgenderism, that it's simply a belief?

A simple yes-or-no question.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother March 30, 2015 4:07 PM  

Telford, are you sure you should be calling yourself "The Wise"?

Anonymous paradox March 30, 2015 4:13 PM  

Heaviside

There is no such thing as "communism," there are various different ideas that might be called "communist". However, if we take "communism" to mean "radical anti-capitalism," then "communism" must also be fundamentally against the liberal capitalist notion of individual rights, which is the basis for most of the rhetoric of the LGBT movement.


I could understand your position... if the view were taken from Alexander Dugin's fourth political theory. Which is anti-liberalism due to... as you've said... "Trannies are a logical outgrowth of the liberal-capitalist paradigm". However, 4PT appeals to a moral transcendence not atheist communism.

Anonymous Difster March 30, 2015 4:23 PM  

If the answer to your problems is genital mutilation, you're probably asking the wrong questions.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 30, 2015 4:24 PM  

transgenderism is a lifestyle choice

Oooooh. The SJWs are gonna unwarren you for that one!

Blogger YIH March 30, 2015 4:24 PM  

heaviside:
>Satire? If not, please enlighten me as to how egalitarian communism isn't pro-transgender.

These manifold varieties of sexual deviance are just bourgeois decadence, like Enver Hoxha said. How many queer rights activists do you think there are in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

China isn't too fond of them either.

Blogger David March 30, 2015 4:29 PM  

@ Sheila, adoption is pro life, and so superior to everything but the biological nuclear family. That said, it is not how people largely perceive it. I never pine for biological parents, and I'm grateful to my adoptive parents who were better to me than many a biological parent in a "normal" family.

Do I wish I'd been raised like my own sons? You bet.

An adoptee is neither fish nor fowl and thus must develop the strength to be the first in his or her line.

Anonymous JI March 30, 2015 4:31 PM  

A friend of mine from when I was a teenager became a woman. Unbeknownst to me, or anyone other than his parents, Don had been born with two X and one Y chromosome. He seemed like a normal boy, he just acted tough and was a bit of a social outcast due to this behavior. Don was a big strong kid, not afraid of fighting or really of anything. Well, after a very rough period in his teens and early twenties, Don got married and settled down.

We kept in touch via email or the occasional phone call, once every six months or so, plus a rare visit with him and his wife, and I had no idea that things were building to a crisis. In our early-thirties, about 15 years ago, Don called me to say he was really a woman in a man's body. Wow, what a shock! Don the auto mechanic and Harley rider was a tough guy. Anyway, he told me about the chromosome situation and that answered a question I'd had about why he and his wife had never had children - he was unable to have kids due to that condition.

So I talked with his wife who told me he'd been doing weird stuff like wearing her clothes and walking like a woman. According to her, and later confirmed by Don, he'd also been seeing a psychiatrist who put him on female hormones, and his body had responded almost immediately, with genitals shrinking, breasts forming, fat on the hips, ... So with the psychiatrist's help, Don "realized" he was supposed to be a woman.

Phew boy. To make an excessively long story shorter, they divorced, Don went abroad for a sex change operation, and became Donna. We still keep in touch but with less to talk about (I'm married with kids).

I don't know what to think, but I'm inclined to believe that sometimes there is a situation in which a chromosomal abnormality like this can occur and the transgender operation and associated therapy are the best answer. Whatever, I keep Donna and others like her in my prayers, they certainly are carrying a heavier cross than I think I've had to bear.

Blogger David March 30, 2015 4:42 PM  

Indulging in a vice by definition harms ones children, for whom you are the most omnipresent illustration of how to live.

All of the modern deviancies now being normed are the very definition of vice (self-harming actions taken in an attempt to find personal happiness.) indulging in any of them once one has become a parent is axiomatically evil as it confuses even ones adult offspring.

Blogger Danby March 30, 2015 4:46 PM  

@JI,
Don/Donna represents less than 0.0001% of the population, and can safely be ignored for all purposes outside its own specific case.

Anonymous Heaviside March 30, 2015 4:52 PM  

>I could understand your position... if the view were taken from Alexander Dugin's fourth political theory. Which is >anti-liberalism due to... as you've said... "Trannies are a logical outgrowth of the liberal-capitalist paradigm". >However, 4PT appeals to a moral transcendence not atheist communism.

Dugin is my favourite living political thinker, and my point on transsexuals is the same thing he has said, but you don't need 4PT to arrive at it. It is not much of a leap once you understand Hegel's Philosophy of Right, were he demonstrates the tension between burgerliche gesellschaft and the family. Even Marx and Engels recognized that capitalism has a corrosive effect on family values.

As for communism being "atheist," I think that is a subject with many subtle nuances. To give just one example, Hegel and Engels both came from Pietist backgrounds, which shows itself in certain aspects of their thinking.

Anonymous Don March 30, 2015 5:03 PM  

Wait, its a lifestyle choice? That's not what we have been told ad nauseum. We have been told that being gay and transgender is biological. But gender is socially constructed.
Don't mind the cognitive dissonance. Nothing to see here.

OpenID simplytimothy March 30, 2015 5:05 PM  

Its a small thing, but I refuse to use the term 'gender' when referring to the two 'sexes'. It pisses off the right people for the right reasons. The change from 'sex' to 'gender' is less than 20 years old and was the typical top-down, tax-payer funded idiots in academia imposing their language and framework on Americans.

Blogger bob k. mando March 30, 2015 5:08 PM  

Telford The Wise March 30, 2015 3:59 PM
Transgenderism is no more child abuse than is Christianity, paganism or atheism. all of these conditions attract people prone to abuse children.



as stated, this is superficially inflammatory, yet truly has no significance whatsoever.

has any child molester ever gone bass fishing? then bass fishing "attracts people prone to abuse children."

has any mother who did her own knitting ever poisoned her child so that she could bask in the attention ( Munchausen's by proxy )?
then knitting "attracts people prone to abuse children."

Blogger bob k. mando March 30, 2015 5:24 PM  

Telford The Wise March 30, 2015 5:16 PM
You make a good point regarding the formulation of my statement. Let me amend:


and the evidence you have that sex swapping parents incur no psychological harm to their children is?

even though post-op trannies have a higher suicide rate than curious pre-ops?

regardless, that's still letting you get off into the weeds of "Not All Trannies Are Like That".

demonstrate that a *majority* of Transexuals are neither substance abusers nor impaired by secondary psych pathologies ( depression, narcissism, etc ) or yield the point.

Anonymous Steve March 30, 2015 5:28 PM  

Telford the Wise - Being a Christian, Atheist, Pagan, Bass Fisher, or what have you isn't inherently harmful to children.

Daddy getting his nutsack snipped off and becoming a second Mummy is harmful to children - it's a terrible mindfuck to inflict on any child.

There are no transsexuals who are a good influence on children. Their train wreck of a lifestyle choice only makes them useful as a cautionary example, like homeless drug addicts or people who get Masters degrees in Womens Studies.

Anonymous Steve March 30, 2015 5:38 PM  

BigGaySteve - Its a matter of power, no one else will make them a queen.

Seems about right. I'm also guessing they'd be less uptight if they weren't so depressingly ugly.

It's never convincingly feminine Brazilian or Thai ladyboys who lead the tranny SJW charge, it's always fugly decepticons who look like Lurch from the Addams Family in a dress.

They can't be what they want to be, they're bitter and angry about it, so they channel their rage into trying to control what normal people are allowed to say about them.

Blogger CM March 30, 2015 6:01 PM  

A friend of mine from when I was a teenager became a woman. Unbeknownst to me, or anyone other than his parents, Don had been born with two X and one Y chromosome. He seemed like a normal boy, he just acted tough and was a bit of a social outcast due to this behavior.

This is what a hermaphrodite is. The one i knew about had female genitalia with a male reproductive system... and it wasn't known until she was 17 and hadn't had a menstrual cycle.

It is very, very rare and it is NOT the condition that what we refer to as transexuals are biologically afflicted with.

Blogger bob k. mando March 30, 2015 6:08 PM  

Telford The Wise March 30, 2015 5:30 PM
I doubt it.



appeals to your own authority carry exactly as much weight as we paid for them.

look upthread. several of us have met trannies IRL. BigGaySteve ( claims to ) knows many.

without exception, every story we have is about a train wreck of a human being.



Telford The Wise March 30, 2015 5:30 PM
is not required to maintain that transgenderism is no more child abuse than is Christianity,


now you're trying to attempt the Dicky Dawkins line?

because that will tip over the edge from 'superficially' to 'objectively' inflammatory.

i'll also note that, BY DEFINITION, a pre-op tranny is a very unhappy and self hating person ...

gosh, that sounds like an excellent candidate for child rearing responsibilities.

John's Hopkins, the pioneers of sex reassignment now refuse to do the procedure. why?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
"Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder."


cite your claims or shut the fuck up.

Blogger SarahsDaughter March 30, 2015 6:20 PM  

I can be convinced otherwise with convincing evidence.

Doubtful.

Blogger Student in Blue March 30, 2015 6:30 PM  

@Telford
I'm saying that like Christianity, paganism and atheism, transgenderism is a lifestyle choice and that within each you will find abusive people. But none of these things is inherently abusive to children.

Now see, that's the problem with calling it a "lifestyle choice", as it implicates that being transgender was chosen and not thrust upon them. Is this your belief?

Blogger Danby March 30, 2015 6:34 PM  

@Telford the Gamma
Shut up Tad

Anonymous LenaDunham the Hot March 30, 2015 6:47 PM  

"fugly decepticons who look like Lurch from the Addams Family in a dress."

I lived in San Antonio for a few years while Denis Rodman and Ru Paul both lived there. Lurch would be an imporvment on most of that scene.

Anonymous Steve March 30, 2015 6:56 PM  

LenaDunham the Hot - Your handle raised a smile. Bravo!

Anonymous p-dawg March 30, 2015 7:35 PM  

@Telford:
" just as there are Christians, Atheists, Pagans and transgenders who are nothing but loving and helpful and good influences on children."

You keep saying that. In your world, does repeating things make them true?

"And again, I need no proof to assert that that Transgenderism is any more Child Abuse than is Cheistianity or Atheism."

Of course you don't need to cite evidence for your assertions. You only need to do that if you expect them to be taken seriously, and it doesn't seem that you do.

"There are numerous examples of well adjusted Children of Christians, transgender sand Atheists."

Then it should be a simple matter to produce 20 examples of well-adjusted children of transsexuals. Please do so. If you cannot, then you could please provide your definition of "well-adjusted", so that I can undertake my own research in that area. You see, I do not believe your assertion, but if you can provide evidence, it's possible I could be convinced. You should recognize that position.

Blogger JAY WILL March 30, 2015 7:41 PM  

Jurassic Park, "life finds a way". Is this a deep attempt to become evolutionable?

At bottom despair, self-hatred, ego destroying, need change to become something else. Metamorphose into a beautiful flower.

There was a documentary in the UK about a man who went through "gender transition". He had recently got divorced, and also lost his business/wealth. He went through with it all..... then regretted it. Tried to sue the psychologists involved for mis-diagnosis. Irritating me that I cant find it, it would be huge on this subject.

Be interesting to know what the "psychological fail rate" is for gender transition? There was recent one in Belgium, little detail other than he ended up "euthanasing" himself after "gender re-assignment" wasn't as hoped for. The detail would tell a lot.

Working theory - gammaish types can't be winners, maybe better to be women? Gammaish types want to know women to become women? Would tie in with defence of Sarkeesianesque types, they are projecting onto women because they want to be one. Hence it hurts when rejected(not sexually) but because you are kicked out of warren, to potentially the cold male brutes who made you feel shit to begin with.

All ties in with evo idea of male supportive orbiters. Gayboys are good, just never challenge the authority of the centre of males who are breeding. Hence evo winners can get on with gays because they are not a challenge. They are INEVITABLY counter culture and/or like women, they are simply no challenge.



Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother March 30, 2015 10:00 PM  

17 more to go!

Blogger bob k. mando March 30, 2015 10:13 PM  

Telford The Wise March 30, 2015 8:18 PM
Three families.



you 'know' three separate TG families but your whole data set for the entire thread previous has been 'i imagine'?

yeah, go on, pull the other one. it's your lie, tell it the way you want too.

i can imagine pink invisible unicorn rainbow farts that smell like wine and taste like roses.

and that's still more plausible than you telling the truth.

not sure if this quote is you or not ( your posts are getting dropped and the previous quote isn't attributed )
""And again, I need no proof to assert"

because, i hate to break this too you, bucko, but yeah, you do.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2009/01/rules-of-blog_01.html
2. You are expected to back up your assertions, so don't be surprised if you happen to get called on them. If you fail to back up an assertion when called on it, but refuse to retract the statement, understand that I reserve the right to delete the relevant comment and all subsequent comments you attempt to make.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 30, 2015 10:26 PM  

We need to be self-governing again. Our evil overlords mutilate not only bodies, but first and more importantly minds.

Blogger SQT March 30, 2015 10:34 PM  

Being an adoptee is to always be a foundling, and it requires strength to emerge whole from the Void.

I think people don't understand the complexities of taking a child from one group and moving him/her to another. I now have two families but don't really fit in either. The intentions were good all around but I'm the only sibling (among many) not raised by a biological parent. I consider myself well adjusted and have no issues I feel the need to lay at anyone's feet, but do know the Void you speak of very well.

Anonymous dc red dogs March 30, 2015 11:17 PM  

"Being an adoptee is to always be a foundling" .... No it isn't, unless you plan to be a worldly atheist all your life. God is your parent and if that isn't good enough for you, then your problem is not with something that happened in the months after you were conceived.

"And it requires strength to emerge whole" Not necessarily. The only gift of value we can give our children is time, either time spent with them or time spent to make their lives better. Any child who has gotten that gift from an adoptive parent should completely refrain from ever complaining about details of their DNA heritage, out of a sense of respect and gratitude at the good start they got towards becoming a good parent themselves one day.

OpenID cailcorishev March 31, 2015 12:30 AM  

Shut up Tad

Shh, don't let on that you recognize it. That just alerts it that it's time to change its nickname, and then it takes 2-3 comments to spot it and start ignoring it again.

Blogger SQT March 31, 2015 1:07 AM  

Any child who has gotten that gift from an adoptive parent should completely refrain from ever complaining about details of their DNA heritage, out of a sense of respect and gratitude at the good start they got towards becoming a good parent themselves one day.

The odds of an adoptive family being better than the birth family are not certain. I was adopted in '69 by a woman who had no business bringing a child into her home. I was raised fatherless for the first 7 years of my life because the guy whose name was on my bith certificate wanted nothing to do with me because I wasn't his. I went to 11 schools in 12 years. My 3 older brother (my mom's biological kids) *all* have had drug and alcohol problems and one has spent as much of his life in jail as out. I have suffered every kind of abuse you can imagine-- so I have a hard time hearing about gratitude. I'm only grateful that my parents moved out of the U.S. so I don't have to worry about them showing up my doorstep asking for money.

Blogger SQT March 31, 2015 1:27 AM  

Sorry for the topic derailment Vox. Though I do think there is some overlap here because so many gay couples are adopting or opting for surrogacy and we don't know yet if we're going to have another group of kids that are going to feel very unmoored from their genetic heritage while constantly being told they should be grateful for it. That, honestly, is the the thing that always bugged me the most. When you're an adopted kid you're given less leeway than most to speak up about your feelings. There's always someone piping up to tell you how you ought to feel and it gets old.

Blogger ChicagoRefugee March 31, 2015 5:11 AM  

... many gay couples are adopting or opting for surrogacy and we don't know yet if we're going to have another group of kids that are going to feel very unmoored ...

Oh, I think we do. The very fact that there's been such efforts made to get inconveniently outspoken offspring to shut the hell up is a very strong indicator in my view. English Manif is a good place to start exploring the subject ....

Anonymous Baltazar March 31, 2015 6:07 AM  

In this video a teacher is being pranked by one of her co-workers.

Problems with the "stepmother".

The messed up thing is there are people (sjw types) who would see the students problems in school caused by not accepting his "stepmother". Obviously the child is a transphobic bigot and needs therapy and sensitivity training.

Other commenters mentioned Poe's Law. If I saw this video and the ending was cut off I would be unsure if it was fake or real. You could take the edited version and show it in a gender studies class I'm sure all the students would think it was real.

The mental derangemnt of TG people has been mentioned. Lets take the anti-gamergate trannies. Could not all of them have perfectly fit in on the Jerry Springer Show?

Blogger Student in Blue March 31, 2015 8:45 AM  

@bob k. mando
Playing the devil's advocate here, even though transgenders are extremely rare, it's been my experience that when I finally ran across one, I quickly ran across two more in succession. Two separate "families", but none have children however.

Actually, wait. Now that I remember it, it's more like 3 TG and one person who's been on the fence. I seriously found out about them in quick succession and it threw me for a hell of a doozy.

Anonymous Zippy March 31, 2015 10:12 AM  

I am probably more libertarian by inclination than Vox or many who hang out here. In fact, some might call me a "libertardian" in certain ways.

My inclination, therefore, is to say "it's your dick. Chop it off if you want." Because I am a nice person, if Donald McCloskey wants me to call him Deirdre and pretend he's a woman, fine.

But the notion that a father would wear his own daughter's clothes is sickening beyond words. I am literally incapable of expressing the contempt I have for such a man.

If you want to rent a storage locker, load it with women's clothes, and go to the Hampton Inn on "business" trips, well . . . fine. But to involve your own daughter in your sexual practices?

Words fail.

Anonymous dc red dogs March 31, 2015 10:19 AM  

SQT - Your comment is not inconsistent with my comment. Obviously those people who were unjustly adopted into non-loving families where the parents have neither the time nor the emotional adulthood to be adequate fathers and mothers have every right to complain. My information on adoptees comes from three sources - my friends who have adopted (all, or almost all, very good parents); newspaper and magazine articles (generally from literate people); and various sets of statistics. The statistics are, to tell the truth, fairly grim, which supports your point.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 31, 2015 10:32 AM  

"you 'know' three separate TG families but your whole data set for the entire thread previous has been 'i imagine'?"

Well that has more authority then me I have only known 2 trannies that had kids and they where divorced train wrecks.

"many gay couples are adopting or opting for surrogacy and we don't know yet if we're going to have another group of kids "

There was an article a while back about crack babies that are beating the odds that was being celebrated and shared because it was all gay/lesbian parents. Guess who pointed out that all the crack babies that beat the odds are white? Social workers have been willing to give crack babies to gays since the 90s but the only ones that can beat the odds are the white crack babies.

"I seriously found out about them in quick succession and it threw me for a hell of a doozy."

If you find yourself in the gay ghetto, don't offer the black trannies on the corner a light.

Blogger SQT March 31, 2015 12:53 PM  

@dc red dogs- True. In my case adoption wasn't the biggest issue. Rather it was about a parent who didn't care for any of her children enough to offer comfort and security. I think that makes an adopted child more likely to look for a connection to a biological family. good parenting has litte to do with where the kids come from.

Blogger SQT March 31, 2015 12:54 PM  

Damn iPad. Can't type worth a damn on this thing...

Blogger CM March 31, 2015 1:11 PM  

good parenting has litte to do with where the kids come from.

I've heard statistics that girls struggle the most with adoption.

Even in cases of good parenting, i'm inclined to agree with you. We were considering adopting before this pregnancy... i very much wanted to give a loving home to a child that that has been denied.

But in no way can i see a child being able to get rid of that "orphaned" state completely. And i think it is just as selfish for adopted parents to refuse to let their adopted child deal with that without accusing them of being ungrateful.

Blogger CM March 31, 2015 1:14 PM  

Another one bites the dust!

Puntz caves

Blogger SQT March 31, 2015 1:52 PM  

I've heard statistics that girls struggle the most with adoption.


I have heard this too but I suspect girls are just more vocal about their feeling. I have never actually said anything to my adopted family on the subject (it was frowned upon). But they've been out of the country for so long that I have finally had the freedom to explore the issue without having to worry about offending anyone.

Blogger Cee March 31, 2015 3:13 PM  

The very fact that there's been such efforts made to get inconveniently outspoken offspring to shut the hell up is a very strong indicator in my view.
And yet the fact ~~~only~~~ six of those offspring submitted amicus curiae briefs to Supreme Court means that they're all totally mentally ill homophobes, you guys! Nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that coming out as a child of gays who wasn't 100% deliriously happy with that situation results in a recriminatory shitstorm of epic proportions.

Playing the devil's advocate here, even though transgenders are extremely rare, it's been my experience that when I finally ran across one, I quickly ran across two more in succession. Two separate "families", but none have children however.
This has also been my experience, though granted it's on the internet, where these people would self-select to hang around each other. Given many of them seemed to have plans to move in together and form Big Gay Families, I'd not be surprised it obtains in real life too.

Another one bites the dust!
So Puntz punted. Disappointing.

Blogger Student in Blue March 31, 2015 11:49 PM  

@BigGaySteve

If I find myself in the gay ghetto, I ain't offering anything to anyone in the first place.

Blogger David April 01, 2015 8:59 AM  

Agreed, an adoptee's challenges are generally taboo even in adoptive families that fancy themselves open and enlightened, as I see it.

My own experience was being the younger of two adoptees, where the older sibling was a sociopathic girl whose compensation mode was over-achievement. This meant her malign influence (on me) was ignored by my parents, and life-altering conditions were embedded. Thus, an adoptive family with the outward appearance of fantastic success (the daughter became a physician, the son--me--also successful but never quite measuring up) was not nearly as healthy as illustrated.

I looked up my bio parents as an adult and discovered that, while I could see where my aptitudes (physical and mental) derived, I had nothing in common with those people. It was disconcerting to realize I was so different not just from adoptive parents but also the genetic version. I was the first of my line. (Incidentally, this gave me full latitude to raise my own sons, with my wife, as we saw fit...and we were highly successful by every measure, more so than my sociopath sister or anyone associated with my biological family tree, as I see it.)

So dc red dogs, your comment about being grateful rubs me the wrong way. No one should be obligated at a deep level to censor his or her objective criticism of their formative years' inputs that were malign and whose effects are lifelong. Parents err, and even when only through ignorance the child should be free to see it and think it.

Kids being raised by LGBT parents (bio, adoptive, or sperm donor) will need the freedom of conscience to criticize those who raised them. To the (predictable) extent that such conditions embed lifelong challenges, such adults will need to call a spade a spade and resent the parents' egocentric choices to treat those they raise as chattel with whom to be experimented.

For that is what defining deviancy down really is; it is a grand experiment, whose results are a surprise only to those lacking any real sense of consequences, or whose ideology is so blinding that they achieve the same result.

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