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Monday, March 23, 2015

Yemen falling to Shia

It looks like there is a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia being fought in Yemen. And Iran's proxies are winning.
The Iran-backed ethnic Houthis that captured and occupied Yemen's capital city Sanaa last year are following up from Friday's announce military mobilization have seized much of the city of Taiz and the surrounding province. They've taken control of the airport and security and intelligence buildings in Taiz, and have set up checkpoints in the area.

Yemen's internationally recognized president Abdu Rabu Mansour Hadi was forced last month to flee Sanaa, which is Yemen's largest city and is in in the north of Yemen, to Aden, which is Yemen's second largest city, and is a port city in the south of Yemen. Taiz is Yemen's third largest city, and it's located about halfway between Sanaa and Aden, so it's a critical waypoint on the Houthis' planned assault on Hadi's forces in Aden.

The Houthis have been using Yemen's air force for bombing strikes on Aden every day since Thursday. Now that the Houthis have control of Taiz airport, it's expected that further air strikes will be launched from there.

It now seems unavoidable that within the next few days there will be a sectarian civil war between the Shia Houthis versus Hadi's Sunni tribal militias. This will be further complicated by the presence in Yemen of two Sunni terrorist groups, the Islamic State / of Iraq and Syria (IS or ISIS or ISIL or Daesh) and Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).

The Houthis are now in control of the army and air force, and they're backed by Iran which is suspected of shipping additional weapons to them. Saudi Arabia and the other members of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) have expressed deep dismay at the Shia takeover of Yemen, but it remains to be seen whether they take any military action to counter it. If they do, then the result will be a sectarian proxy war in Yemen between Saudi Arabia and Iran. The National (UAE) and CNN and AFP and AP
Meanwhile, the US has been forced to retreat and evacuate Al Anad air base.

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108 Comments:

Anonymous First rule is! The laws of Germany! March 23, 2015 4:07 PM  

Oh, who really gives a fuck what these shit-rags do to one another.

So long as they do it in their own countries, and don't come here.

Anonymous guest March 23, 2015 4:19 PM  

VICE magazine did a report on that some time ago...

It's the 2nd segment starting at around 17 min. in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrJlUVCe4VA
the first part is on Louisiana and the BP oil spill.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2015 4:20 PM  

"Oh, who really gives a fuck what these shit-rags do to one another.

So long as they do it in their own countries, and don't come here."

Really that's a brilliant contribution. Thanks. I have no idea where we would find people capable of producing dialog on the level of youtube comments... but I'm so thankful they are here.

Anonymous Second rule is! Be nice to Mommy! March 23, 2015 4:23 PM  

A proxy war between Iran and KSA being fought in Yemen?

Wow, could I be less interested in what these hyenas do to each other?

What's the hit flavor this week at Winchell's Donuts?

And btw, feuding Muslim retards: DON'T COME HERE.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 23, 2015 4:24 PM  

So long as they do it in their own countries,

So long as they to it in their own countries and with their own countries resources.

Problem is the USA doing Israel's proxies. Since when have Israel and the house of Saud had a different foreign policies? Pulling USA into Israel-Russia differences opinion might cost everyone more than images out of Yemen

Anonymous Ostar March 23, 2015 4:26 PM  

And yet Obama was touting Yemen as a foreign policy success story just six months ago.
Is Obama just a narcissistic incompetent, or is there something more sinister behind his apparent bumbling?
In Sec State Kerry's case, it's plain he's just an incompetent narcissist.

Anonymous Frank Brady March 23, 2015 4:26 PM  

@Nate, the formulation may not have been elegant---but you've got to admire the concept expressed (at least, I do). Let's just hope we've learned from the past and not get any on us.

Anonymous Third rule is! Don't talk to commies! March 23, 2015 4:28 PM  

@Nate "I have no idea where we would find people capable of producing dialog on the level of youtube comments... but I'm so thankful they are here."

What exactly are you complaining about?

Blogger Josh March 23, 2015 4:34 PM  

Hey retards, this is of concern because we have a fucking air force base there.

Anonymous guest March 23, 2015 4:34 PM  

VICE magazine did a report on that some time ago.

It's the 2nd segment starting at around 17 minutes in...

Anonymous joe doakes March 23, 2015 4:35 PM  

Retreat? More like bug out. Can't blame the troops. 100 men - even Special Forces - cannot hold back an entire continent inflamed against them. Just glad they got out instead of being massacred and their bodies dragged through the streets.

Anonymous VD March 23, 2015 4:39 PM  

What exactly are you complaining about?

The fact that you think anyone here is interested in your uninformed opinion. And since it appears the last 20 years have escaped you, they are already here.

Blogger Noah B March 23, 2015 4:40 PM  

Is it safe to say that the higher-ups are too gutless to have ordered the airfield to be mined before our troops left?

Anonymous Fourth Rule is! Eat kosher salamis! March 23, 2015 4:40 PM  

"I have no idea where we would find people capable of producing dialog on the level of youtube comments"

Dude, I studied philosophy at Harvard. I'm playing around, get a grip.

(MUPPETS SONG): Everybody's feelin' all riiiight.

--- your friend, Scooby Doo

Anonymous Alexander March 23, 2015 4:43 PM  

Mines are bad, mmmkay.

Course, given how thing went in Iraq when ISIS showed up, it would be an improvement if we didn't leave the planes behind.

Anonymous trev006 March 23, 2015 4:44 PM  

Dude, I studied philosophy

Shit. So we were insulting the intelligence of Youtube commenters. That's just depressing.

Anonymous Frank Brady March 23, 2015 4:47 PM  

@Josh The question is, Josh, why do we have a fucking air force base there?

Anonymous Second Rule Is! Be Nice to Mommy! March 23, 2015 4:48 PM  

"What exactly are you complaining about?

The fact that you think anyone here is interested in your uninformed opinion."

Not talkin' to you, my man; talkin' to Nate. Plus, with all due respect, I don't think you understand what's going on, and you certainly don't understand the nature of my opinion.

--scooby doo

Anonymous Porky March 23, 2015 4:48 PM  

♩ ♪ Send in the drones.....♬ there ought to be drones.... ♪

♪ ♫ don't bother, they're here.♩♬

Blogger Nate March 23, 2015 4:50 PM  

"Dude, I studied philosophy at Harvard. I'm playing around, get a grip."

Great. So shut up and go park my car.

Blogger luagha March 23, 2015 4:54 PM  

"A proxy war between Iran and KSA being fought in Yemen?"

The big problem is that not enough will be killed and they can't both lose.

Ah, I remember the good old days when you could back both sides of an Iran-Iraq war and just let it go on for years and years. Good times, buddy. Good times.

Blogger Josh March 23, 2015 4:54 PM  

The question is, Josh, why do we have a fucking air force base there?

That's a separate question from "why do we care?"

Anonymous Whack the ral-de-ra March 23, 2015 5:00 PM  

"Great. So shut up and go park my car."

Heh. Your priorities are hilarious. Plus... well, actually, you really don't wanna know.

--your buddy, scooby doo

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 23, 2015 5:17 PM  

"The big problem is that not enough will be killed and they can't both lose."

Why can't they both lose? In fact its possible for moslems in all 3 countries to lose. If Saudi Arabia's borders got forced open they could take in moslem "refugees" instead of the West.

Blogger JartStar March 23, 2015 5:22 PM  

It's astonishing how much violence Muslims commit against each other.

Anonymous Frank Brady March 23, 2015 5:27 PM  

@JartStar

"It's astonishing how much violence Muslims commit against each other."

Sure as hell is. Almost reminds me of inner-city Chicago.

Blogger Rabbi B March 23, 2015 5:27 PM  

"It's astonishing how much violence Muslims commit against each other . . "

'And he will be a wild ass of a man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.' (gen. 16)

Should we be so astonished?

Anonymous Frank Brady March 23, 2015 5:29 PM  

@Josh

That's a separate question from "why do we care?"

For me, it's the same question.

Anonymous zen0 March 23, 2015 5:30 PM  

@ Ostar

Is Obama just a narcissistic incompetent, or is there something more sinister behind his apparent bumbling?

ZH weighs in:

Anyway, thanks to WaPo we have an answer: according to Jeff Bezos' recent media acquisition, "the Pentagon is unable to account for more than $500 million in U.S. military aid given to Yemen."

Obviously, "can't account for" means "has lost." But while the US does not know where nearly half a billion in weapons can be found, it is more than informed who is the current owner: there are "fears that the weaponry, aircraft and equipment is at risk of being seized by Iranian-backed rebels or al-Qaeda, according to U.S. officials."


Only 500 miles to Mecca.

Apparently there have been clashes inside Saudi Arabia already, which were beaten back, but the journey of 500 miles begins with one step.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2015 5:33 PM  

Yet another ill wind. So it turned out there was much more going on in Syria last year than just inter-factional tribal muslim warfare.

I wonder if there isn't something more here too.

What does Iran want and what does Saudi want?

Anonymous Frank Brady March 23, 2015 5:44 PM  

@Nate, I don't pretend to know for certain but my WAG is that they would like each other to disappear.

Blogger wrf3 March 23, 2015 5:48 PM  

Josh opined: Hey retards, this is of concern because we have a fucking air force base there.

It would be of even more concern if we had a fighting air force base there.

Blogger Corvinus March 23, 2015 6:02 PM  

The question is, Josh, why do we have a fucking air force base there?

The U.S. military leaves shit all over the world. We should all know that by now.

Anonymous Curtis March 23, 2015 6:03 PM  

What does Iran want and what does Saudi want?

Well, one wants to be top dog within one of the NWO kingdoms/regions. Guess who?

OpenID simplytimothy March 23, 2015 6:04 PM  

Only 500 miles to Mecca.

That tells me somebody wants Saudia Arabia to succumb to ISIS.

Blogger ajw308 March 23, 2015 6:07 PM  

Iranian-backed rebels
Would that be Hezbollah?

The way Barry submits to both Iran and the House of Saud, I don't think he knows who's going to win so he's currying favor with both sides.

Blogger Corvinus March 23, 2015 6:09 PM  

Anyway, thanks to WaPo we have an answer: according to Jeff Bezos' recent media acquisition, "the Pentagon is unable to account for more than $500 million in U.S. military aid given to Yemen."

And at least when Russia loses stuff, it ends up in the hands of their allies rather than their enemies.

Anonymous Daniel H March 23, 2015 6:09 PM  

>>The Houthis have been using Yemen's air force for bombing strikes on Aden every day since Thursday. Now that the Houthis have control of Taiz airport, it's expected that further air strikes will be launched from there.

I assume that the Yemeni military would never allow any Shia to go near their planes, let alone train as pilots, so are the Houthis compelling Sunni pilots to fly bombing missions agains Sunnis at the point of the gun? The gun at the families of Sunni pilots? Or have illiterate, untrained Houthis simply commandeered planes and are flying by the seat of their pants (extremely unlikely)? Or have Iran or Syria or some other outside power installed their own pilots and commanders who are now conducting these bombing raids? If this last is the case then this entire operation has been well thought out, planned and executed and demonstrates that the 4GW strategy can effortlessly harness and deploy 1GW tactical assets as opportunities arise.

Anonymous Curtis March 23, 2015 6:09 PM  

That tells me somebody wants Saudia Arabia to succumb to ISIS.

What makes you think Saudi Arabia is NOT ISIS?

Go live like a typical Libyan, Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian in Saudi Arabia. See how long you keep your head.

Anonymous Frank Brady March 23, 2015 6:10 PM  

Saudi Arabia IS Isis.

OpenID simplytimothy March 23, 2015 6:22 PM  

What makes you think Saudi Arabia is NOT ISIS?

This post (and others) by John Robb at global guerrillas : http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/02/three-saudi-options.html

Anonymous liljoe March 23, 2015 6:22 PM  

$500 mil will buy a LOT of those scary AK47s and 2014 Toyota Tundras...4wd w TRD package, naturally.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2015 6:27 PM  

" Toyota Tundras...4wd w TRD package"

hey! Yotas or not those are pretty cool trucks.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 23, 2015 6:32 PM  

"The way Barry submits to both Iran and the House of Saud"

It might be easier to list those that Bath House Barry does not submit to.

Anonymous liljoe March 23, 2015 6:34 PM  

Spare no expense when it comes to US taxpayers, apparently.

Don't forget to mail in those income tax checks next month! Nothing but the best for Sauros' weekend jihadists. Those Christian girls won't rape/behead themselves

Anonymous Frank Brady March 23, 2015 6:44 PM  

@simplytimothy Very interesting information. It could well be true but if it is true someone in the House of Saud is in a lot of trouble for funding, arming, and training elements of the so-called "Free Syrian Army" that became part of ISIS.

Anonymous Curtis March 23, 2015 6:56 PM  

This post (and others) by John Robb at global guerrillas:

Yeah, well. The Saudi's had nothing to do with Dial Emergency 9-1-1, and the soviets, er, Russians are still invading Ukraine.

People need to stop believing that ISIS, er, this Jihad, is some self-contained enterprise run by a bunch of sewage dwellers.

Blogger Ken March 23, 2015 7:00 PM  

So my question, then, is who should Western Civilization root for? We know that the Shiites are violent and bloodthirsty and we know the Sunnis are violent and bloodthirsty, but they're better at disguising it.

So, in the end, should the West simply hope for a war of attrition that's so bloody that Israel can do a mop-up of the area?

Anonymous Kel-Tec PF9 March 23, 2015 7:03 PM  

Saudi Arabia is not ISIS. They backed ISIS to overthrow the Asaad regime, the same as the US-- but the "Caliph" despises them, just as he despises the US.

Mujahideen are rabid dogs, they always bite the hand that feeds them.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 23, 2015 7:18 PM  

Ken: "So my question, then, is who should Western Civilization root for?"

I recommend taking our own side.

Anonymous cheddarman March 23, 2015 7:18 PM  

Yemen sounds like a country that should not be in existence. There is a Sunni majority composed of a couple of different flavors of Sunni, and a Shia minority of about 35% - 40 % .The Sunnis are concentrated in the south and southwest part of the country. In a sane world, this would be two countries divided along the ethnic fault lines.

My guess is that Iran wants the Shia to have their own country, and the Saudis want the sunnis to run the whole show.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 23, 2015 7:23 PM  

The Multicultural End Game Hot War, or the Judeo-Islam confederacy exposed, or why can't liberals think about reality politics, or with you're head up your arse it can still be cut off, what really were you tolerating when you opened the door

Meme: Sunni - Shia hatred is not "containment of hatred"

Anonymous Ostar March 23, 2015 7:32 PM  

cheddarman
Yemen sounds like a country that should not be in existence. In a sane world, this would be two countries divided along the ethnic fault lines.

It actually was divided into "North" and "South" Yemen during colonial times, then independence. They joined as one state in 1990, then fought a civil war 4 years later but stayed united.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2015 7:37 PM  

"My guess is that Iran wants the Shia to have their own country, and the Saudis want the sunnis to run the whole show."

Or someone wants to build a pipeline...

OpenID cailcorishev March 23, 2015 7:39 PM  

It's so nice of Christians/Westerners to sit around trying to be certain which Muslims are the bad Muslims and agonizing over whether they might cause feelbad or worse to the good ones. I'm sure Muslims will return the favor if they conquer formerly Christian areas, being careful to behead only the prejudiced infidels.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) March 23, 2015 7:45 PM  

I think the Sunnis are getting tired of stepping in Shiite every time they turn around.

DannyR

Blogger deadman March 23, 2015 7:56 PM  

There are those that would say Iran is the - "King of the South".
So the rise of Iran is not entirely surprising.

Question is; if the rise of Germany fulfils the role for the - "King of the North".

http://www.thetrumpet.com/

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother March 23, 2015 8:12 PM  

There are definitely external forces backing the Houthis. I guarantee there are Iranians there flying the planes, but more importantly, maintaining them. Arabs (Iranians aren't Arabs) are notoriously oblivious to the concept of maintenance.

Anonymous Daniel H March 23, 2015 8:24 PM  

>>"So my question, then, is who should Western Civilization root for?"

When you come to a fork in the road don't take it.

Anonymous Rothbardian-ISIS Front March 23, 2015 8:33 PM  

Ron Paul is calling on all U.S. forces to unconditionally surrender.

Anyone who is against neocons needs to support this effort.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother March 23, 2015 9:25 PM  

What? Surrender? No, just come home.

Anonymous Curtis March 23, 2015 9:32 PM  

It's so nice of Christians/Westerners to sit around trying to be certain which Muslims are the bad Muslims and agonizing over whether they might cause feelbad or worse to the good ones.

Please. If one is not CIA/State Dept. flavor of the day, your chances of getting your head chopped off, or for the most part, just shot, is pretty damn good no matter who you are. And just look what 21st century U.S.Gov has done to former Persian/Arab Christian enclaves?

Anonymous Curtis March 23, 2015 9:35 PM  

I am sure Ron Paul has no problem with American citizens kitting up, buying a plane ticket, and flying off to Crusade. On their own dime.

OpenID artisanaltoadshall March 23, 2015 9:46 PM  

Stg58

The call to surrender is pure Hegelian Dialectic. State an antithesis that is so far out there (like calling on all US forces to unconditionally surrender) that the synthesis might hit a reasonable position like bringing the troops home. People don't like change, so any reasonable antithesis means the synthesis (middle ground between the thesis and antithesis) will fall short of what is desired.

To conservatives it smacks too much of manipulation and requires that they act as if they sincerely support a ridiculous position when they really only want reasonable and moderate change to solve the problem. This is where cultural marxism and feminism has been kicking ass for almost a century.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 23, 2015 9:59 PM  

We have been sold a bill of goofds for decades and all because the Iranians were successful against "the west." I think that the main practical reason for Arab-Persian antagonism has to do with Sharia. Wahabism does not allow for any type of elective representation. The Saudis see Iran as "apostates," on top of the Sunni and Shi'a Islam divide. As long as there is an Iran, Saudi Arabia cannot claim to be the undisputed custodian of Islam.

Anonymous Frank Brady March 23, 2015 10:08 PM  

Now, just repeat after me: "It's none of our fucking business."

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 23, 2015 10:11 PM  

Frank. I agree but these uSA's medfling is not going to stop in the foreseeable future.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 23, 2015 10:17 PM  

These uSA have been meddling in foreign countries for a long time.

This report is done by the Congressional Research Service every year.

From the Summary, at the beginning of the document:

This report lists hundreds of instances in which the United States has used its Armed Forces abroad in situations of military conflict or potential conflict or for other than normal peacetime purposes. It was compiled in part from various older lists and is intended primarily to provide a rough survey of past U.S. military ventures abroad, without reference to the magnitude of the given instance noted.

Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-2015

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R42738.pdf

Anonymous Frank Brady March 23, 2015 10:27 PM  

@Rothbardian-ISIS Front There is absolutely no sane and rational reason for any US Forces to be in a place where they would have to even think about "unconditional surrender." None at all. After more than a century of failed serial interventions, it is past time to come home and stop trying to force our will upon others.

Blogger Danby March 23, 2015 10:30 PM  

" I think that the main practical reason for Arab-Persian antagonism has to do with Sharia."

Iranians are Indo-Europeans (the original Aryans, actually).
Arabs are uneducated Jews with lousy hygiene and an inferiority complex the size of the world.

Iranians don't put up with rich old men diddling little boys.
Arabs don't put up anyone cutting off their access to little boys.

Iranians are (comparatively) disciplined and hard-working.
Arabs are contemptuous of people who work.

They are nothing at all alike culturally, and that is where the antagonism comes from.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 23, 2015 10:30 PM  

" Ron Paul is calling on all U.S. forces to unconditionally surrender."

cal·um·ny /ˈkaləmnē/

noun

the making of false and defamatory statements in order to damage someone's reputation; slander. synonyms: slander, defamation (of character), character assassination, libel; More a false and slanderous statement.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother March 23, 2015 10:33 PM  

Artisan,

I am well aware of how the Dialectic works, but I do not agree with you that Ron Paul is employing the tactic. Ron Paul would never call for us to surrender.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 23, 2015 10:34 PM  

danby. I do not disagree but the political structure is the controlling factor. It puts pressure on the House of Saud to reform, again politically. And the political allows, facilitates, the others.

Anonymous zen0 March 23, 2015 10:35 PM  

As I mentioned maybe a year ago, the US is becoming increasingly irrelevant around the world.

It is not feared by its enemies, nor trusted by its friends. As the Empire totters, other states make forays into former protectorates looking for advantage, much like the European powers did at the turn of the last century when the the scramble for pillage led to WW1.

The old lion becomes enfeebled, and challengers rise to the occasion.

The Irony Generator has decided that all the people who rightly proposed that Saudi Arabia be attacked and annihilated after 911 will get their wish, partly by some former members of the Axis of Evil.

Remember the AOE? That was awesome.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 23, 2015 10:39 PM  

An excerpt from Robert E. Lee's reply letter to Lord Acton, Dec. 15, 1866

I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it. I need not refer one so well acquainted as you are with American history, to the State papers of Washington and Jefferson, the representatives of the federal and democratic parties, denouncing consolidation and centralization of power, as tending to the subversion of State Governments, and to despotism.

Anonymous zen0 March 23, 2015 11:01 PM  

@ JaimeInTexas

> An excerpt from Robert E. Lee's reply letter to Lord Acton, Dec. 15, 1866

Political discourse now does not even pretend to approach these levels of clarity.

I did not read Profiles in Courage until sometime in the last 10 years. JFK may have aspired to those kind of things, but he didn't have it either.

Back in those days, one did not have to convince the general rabble of anything, just your peers.

Nowadays, you gotta kiss Jonny Butt-humpers tushie, and he don't want no fancy white-ass conceptualizin'.

Anonymous zen0 March 23, 2015 11:19 PM  

@ zen0

As the Empire totters, other states make forays into former protectorates looking for advantage, much like the European powers did at the turn of the last century when the the scramble to pillage led to WW1.

I omitted "much like the European powers did at the turn of the last century when the scramble to pillage the corroding Ottoman Empire led to WW1.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 23, 2015 11:33 PM  

zen0: "Back in those days, one did not have to convince the general rabble of anything, just your peers."

It's the same now, only your peers are billionaire space lizards.

Anonymous zen0 March 23, 2015 11:42 PM  

@Titus Didius Tacitus

It's the same now, only your peers are billionaire space lizards.

I don't think they orate to each other, but maybe pose and hiss, displaying some peripheral scaly flaps of some kind. If their communications approach oration, it is nothing we can recognize as such.

They are Nephilim, and must be expunged from the Land by the Sword.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 23, 2015 11:45 PM  

zen0: "If their communications approach oration, it is nothing we can recognize as such."

Money talks.

OpenID bernardbrandt March 23, 2015 11:46 PM  

The level of comments in this posting is one of the reasons why I seldom comment here anymore.

Basically, the U.S. has abandoned, deliberately destabilized, or simply ignored most of its Arab allies in the mideast, all the while demilitarizing U.S. armed forces to the point that we can no longer defend or effectively act anywhere in that field. THAT'S what Yemen means.

In the meantime, Shia Iran and Sunni ISIS (or if you prefer Daesh) is duking it out for the spoils. As ISIS is a ragtag bunch, and as Iran is an organized nation, it is quite likely that Iran will take over as a Shia khalifate once ISIS has spent itself.

Youze guyz seem to think that it's all happening over in Shiteholistan, and you will be free to play your computer games and access your cyberporn. No problem.

That will last until Iran lobs a hundred megaton nuke in high orbit over the geographic center of the United States. The resulting EMP will fry both the electrical/electronic infrastructure of the nation and fry your precious mother boards, too. Welcome back to the 18th Century, bitches.

Have a nice day.

Anonymous zen0 March 24, 2015 12:02 AM  

@ bernardbrandt

The level of comments in this posting is one of the reasons why I seldom comment here anymore.

May I be the first to say "good riddance".

As Kerry might say, "you don't get the Nuance, Dude!"

1. US is now irrelevant in this theatre of operations.
2. The Caliphate centre is in Turkey, not Iran. Turkey will co-operate with Iran on the level of Spiritual Conceptualisation while they jostle for territory by killing folks.
3 The goal is the destruction of Saud and occupation of Egypt.
4 Like 1. No one cares about nuking the US, just like no one cares about the drunken Uncle at the family dinner.

5. Iran has no strategic purpose in attacking the US. Don't let your irrational rape fantasies cloud your judgement. The US is ENABLING Iran. They do not need to fuck up no homey, dude.

OpenID bernardbrandt March 24, 2015 12:20 AM  

zen0,

I would agree with your points 1 through 3, though I would suspect that Turkey will simply agree with the winner, be it Iran or Daesh.

As to points 4 and 5, I believe you to be living in a fool's paradise. Iran has been committed since 1978 to the destruction of the Great Satan (U.S.A) and the Small Satan (Israel). They still are.

As to EMP, (regardless of your ad hominem use of the term "irrational rape fantasies") and its proposed use by Iran against the U.S., I would recommend you to read this:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/iran-endorses-nuclear-emp-attack-on-united-states/article/2561733

You have obviously never learned the lesson of Hitler: If a madman with power says that he is going to commit an unthinkable atrocity, it is unwise to ignore him.

Anonymous Curtis March 24, 2015 12:29 AM  

Iran is just being set up for the next administration or two, and your consumption, political entertainment. I find it highly unlikely that Iran will give unfettered access to the Caspian Sea. And pipelines through Iran, Iraq, and Syria to the Mediterranean Sea. Thus bypassing Russia. Of course, it is possible that the CIA has kidnapped and cloned key members of the Iranian government.

Anonymous Frank Brady March 24, 2015 12:35 AM  

@bernardbrandt

I doubt that it's all that complicated. If the Washington lunatics (the real "madmen with power") would stop trying to run the world, odds are pretty good that the world will leave the U.S. alone. If anyone in the world attacks the U.S., we kill them and all of their ilk.

Anonymous Curtis March 24, 2015 12:45 AM  

bernardbrandt: Iran’s strategy is largely defensive, but with some offensive elements. Iran’s strategy of protecting the regime against internal threats, deterring aggression, safeguarding the homeland if aggression occurs, and extending influence is in large part a defensive one that also serves some aggressive tendencies when coupled with expressions of Iranian regional aspirations. It is in part a response to U.S. policy pronouncements and posture in the region, especially since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. The Iranian leadership takes very seriously the threat of invasion given the open discussion in the United States of regime change, speeches defining Iran as part of the “axis of evil,” and efforts by U.S. forces to secure base access in states surrounding Iran. - RAND Corp.

But wait!!!

Mainstream U.S. Writers Call for Supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS - http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/mainstream-media-calls-supporting-al-qaeda-isis.html

Follow the links.

The sad fact is, since Dial Emergency 9-1-1, Americans can't see the mind-f*ck for all the CIA/State Dept. flavors of the day saturating their cranial space. As I told one fella awhile back, if his head were to be cracked open, a barrel full of Booslims would fall out.

Just think of it as false advertising. Surely you can see and hear the butterfly's fluttering?

Anonymous Stilicho March 24, 2015 12:55 AM  

Oh ffs, it isn't difficult to see what's going on inthe ME: Iran wants to recreate the Persian empire and dominate the sunni enemy; Turkey, if not actively seeking to reconstitute the ottoman empire, certainly wants to dominate the region; Egypt wants to survive and probably to dominate north Africa; the Syrians are caught in the middle as damned near everyone is out to get them at the moment; ISIS is trying to get while the getting is good, but it only exists because of the support of various govts (including ours) and it will likley be brutally repressed if the proxy gloves come off, Jordan wants to survive; and the Saudis want to play puppet master as a way of dominating the region while certain families continue to siphon off the oil wealth and pay off their own mad mullahs... they see themselves as a counterweight to their old enemies thw Persians but they aren't in the same weight class and have to rely on foreign support to even play the great game.

There will be an islamic empire in the ME. The only questions are whether there are more than one and what the borders will be. I'm betting on three: Egyptian, Turk, and Persian. Any smaller states that survive will be clients of one of those three.

Anonymous Curtis March 24, 2015 1:02 AM  

The NWO can not tolerate more than one Muslim socio-economic-political-religious kingdom/region.

Anonymous Curtis March 24, 2015 1:07 AM  

The NGO (wink-wink) Club of Rome already laid out the map. Back in 73 I believe. It is interesting to look at that map and watch events unfold since Dial Emergency 9-1-1.

By the way, Israel isn't on it.

And, the Arab/Persian world must have its Rome.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 24, 2015 1:57 AM  

For many years neocons, who lied to us over Iraq and a lot else but still enjoy influence, have been saying that Iran was on the verge of nuclear aggression, and the likes of Michael Ledeen have been chanting "Faster, Please!" for a war in which Anglo whites would harm their own interests and devastate Aryan Iranian interests to serve Semitic Israel. The dreaded Persian Bomb never appears, but America and its owner Israel do one aggressive act after another.

Has anything changed in recent years? Only this: after Victoria Nuland's five billion dollar coup imposed a more Jewish-friendly government in Ukraine, now we are supposed to attack not only the Iranians but also our fellow-white Russians -- again, according to the neocons, to get them before they get us!!

It's a bunch of warmongering lies, told by liars who own the media megaphone, which lets them ignore that everything they said was wrong last year and the year before that and the year before that...

bernardbrandt: "That will last until Iran lobs a hundred megaton nuke in high orbit over the geographic center of the United States. The resulting EMP will fry both the electrical/electronic infrastructure of the nation and fry your precious mother boards, too. Welcome back to the 18th Century, bitches."

In this 21st Century, we have had fifteen years without a break of lies, warmongering and panic-mongering over Iran.

Some, like you, are apparently still willing to be panicked into aggression by it.

Some, like me, don't believe it, and we're tired of it.

Blogger Eric March 24, 2015 2:05 AM  

You have obviously never learned the lesson of Hitler: If a madman with power says that he is going to commit an unthinkable atrocity, it is unwise to ignore him.

Hitler was mightily encouraged by signs of weakness in his enemies. We would do well to remember that - avoiding a fight is easier if the other guy thinks he'll lose.

Yes, the Iranians can develop a nuclear bomb. In a decade or so they might be able to harden and miniaturize it enough to put it on a reliable ICBM (which they have yet to develop as well). And yes, if they think they can get away with it they just might nuke the US.

But regardless of the rhetoric, I doubt the mullahs are any more keen on dying than the rest of us. If I'm wrong and the Iranians really are set on national suicide there's really nothing we can do about it but accommodate them when the time comes.

The reality is we can't stop them from developing the bomb without nuking them first, and we're not going to murder 81 million people based on what we think they might do.

Anonymous Frank Brady March 24, 2015 2:23 AM  

The United States survived half a century toe-to-toe with a nuclear armed Soviet Union. Despite that fact, the lying lunatic neoconservative war whores, desperate to take the next step in their Empire bulding project, have been screeching at the top of their lungs for more than a decade that Iran is "months away" from developing a nuclear weapon when, in fact, there is absolutely no evidence that this is true. The Russians appear to understand that for the U.S. neocons, the road to Moscow runs through Tehran an the road to Tehran runs through Damascus. That is the end game for the neo-cons and a grave danger for the world.

If the Mullahs are NOT developing a nuclear weapon to deter the U.S. and Israeli war whores they are being derelict in their duty to protect their citizens from aggression. Iran's possession of a credible nuclear deterrent may be the only thing that will protect their country from a military attack by the U.S. and/or Israel.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 24, 2015 2:23 AM  

Stilicho, everything you said made sense, except that you left out a highly aggressive regional player that has the enormous advantage of influence over America, and that regards any Islamic empire, actual or potential, as threatening, (It is also hostile to Christians, of course.)

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 24, 2015 2:28 AM  

Frank Brady: "Iran's possession of a credible nuclear deterrent may be the only thing that will protect their country from a military attack by the U.S. and/or Israel."

But, but, but! There is an alternative! You can end all your weapons programs and trust in the honor of the United States of America to protect you, like Muammar Gaddafi did.

Anonymous rho March 24, 2015 2:29 AM  

Oh ffs, it isn't difficult to see what's going on inthe ME

You're smarter than I am, then. The existing states want to hold on to their power and influence, sure, and expand it as much as they can. Non-state powers like ISIS are consolidating their ad-hoc power and influence, but realistically it's just as likely to turn into a Shia/Sunni-like internal scramble for control.

That's about as far as I get. Four moves ahead of that, it's anybody's game.

Even accounting for the uncertainty, it's a pretty small chance that Iran is going to lob a nuke into Des Moines to bring down the US. That's a long way to fire a rocket, and Iran can't even build a decent car. They could get 90% of the effect for 0.0005% of the cost with a dozen Ryder trucks full of fertilizer. Even that would expose Iran far more than is comfortable.

If history can us teach anything it's that empires do not last, but nations might.

Anonymous Gary March 24, 2015 6:01 AM  

"Iran is "months away" from developing a nuclear weapon when, in fact, there is absolutely no evidence that this is true."

The United States developed atomic weapons in the 1040's.

Once something has been done doing it a second time is child's play to some degree.

They don't have to lob a bomb on an ICBM, all the have to do is load it in a moving van or just bring a vessel in port and set it off.

Anonymous Gary March 24, 2015 6:10 AM  

"Iran has been committed since 1978 to the destruction of the Great Satan (U.S.A) and the Small Satan (Israel). They still are."

No shit.

One thing that exposes someone as a liberal is magical thinking. You have an opponent who has called for your destruction and you wave your hand stating its just rhetoric.

Hello? They want you dead. Take them at their word fool.

Same thing with the religion of peace. If I had unlimited power I'd expel every member of this death cult from my lands and make it clear if attacked there would be retaliation till the bombs and fuel ran out.

Anonymous Gary March 24, 2015 6:27 AM  

"The United States developed atomic weapons in the 1040's. "

Sorry, tax season on the brain or not enough coffee yet.

1940's not 1040's!

Anonymous Curtis March 24, 2015 6:54 AM  

Hello? They want you dead. Take them at their word fool.

Right. They're going to lob a Nooclee-er miss-ile at America just so every male in Iran can get their 72 virgins!

Posturing.

Oh. Wait! Naw, it will never get by the TSA/Customs!

Bush said true Islam is a religion of peace. You believe him, right? Wink-wink.

And hey! How about those 19 Jack-Jihadists?!

OMG! Those Iranians are going to nooclle-er miss-ile us! Where's George Bush when we need him most! Cheney/McCain fer president!

Anonymous They Do Their Best, They Do What They Can March 24, 2015 7:00 AM  

I think Danby and Stilicho have got it pretty much right.

w/r/t Iran vs. KSA in places like -- Yemen? for heavens sakes! -- it's more of a racial thing than a religious thing. Persians are Aryans, and Arabs are.... well, not. Religiously speaking, they all just believe different flavors of nonsense. The Persians have a famous past and a sophisticated literature (their poetry is quite good), and they dominated the region for centuries. They're going through a sort of Mussolini phase, wishing to recreate their past empire and their past glory. KSA is Arabs, and they're.... well, they're Arabs. They do what Arabs do, which is mostly not good.

Meantime, we should get our noses out of it, and let them duke it out themselves. If one of them tries to harm us, we have more than enough ways to make sure they no longer exist. As a friend of mine said after 9/11, "one of the Muslims should write a book saying how great the Muslims were, so we can remember them after they cease to exist." If that message is conveyed lucidly to Iran, then I think, problem solved.

Anonymous Curtis March 24, 2015 7:10 AM  

Meanwhile: Whereas the Russian Federation under President Vladimir Putin has engaged in relentless political, economic, and military aggression to subvert the independence and violate the territorial integrity of Ukraine... - H. Res. 162

In other news, Moscow keeps moving its borders towards NATO.

Boo. I wouldn't be worrying to much about Iranian Nooclee-er miss-iles.

But, but, but, Putin keeps threatening to nooclee-er us!

That's a mighty fine fiddle! Dance.

OpenID genericviews March 24, 2015 9:14 AM  

it's a shame they can't both lose.

Anonymous Mullah Omar Cheddarman March 24, 2015 9:50 AM  

Stilicho,

You have great strategic insight for a crusader infidel.

Anonymous Frank Brady March 24, 2015 10:39 AM  

@Curtis, you wrote: "In other news, Moscow keeps moving its borders towards NATO."

You are right. Look how close there borders are to our military bases! This cannot stand.

OpenID simplytimothy March 24, 2015 4:33 PM  

I am sure Ron Paul has no problem with American citizens kitting up, buying a plane ticket, and flying off to Crusade. On their own dime.

On this idea, think "kickstarter" (crowd-souced funding/tithing) and the nascent Christian militias and we are looking at the beginnings of an emergent Christian state within a failing state.

Anonymous Curtis March 24, 2015 8:04 PM  

Sure. We'll pass the plate around at church and start with America? Oh. Wait. USA! USA! USA! God bless America! We're a Christian nation!

But then, who would think to pull the beam out our eye?

OpenID simplytimothy March 24, 2015 8:36 PM  

@Curtis

But then, who would think to pull the beam out our eye?

Try pulling that bug out of your ass first and then formulating a coherent statement.

Anonymous zen0 March 25, 2015 8:09 PM  

Saudis now bombing targets in Yemen.

Obama strategy unfolding as planned

(insert multiple ellipses here)

NOT

Obama is the minstrel show of Jimminy Cartah.

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