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Saturday, April 04, 2015

2015 Hugo Nominations

In less than an hour, the finalists for the 2015 Hugo Awards will be announced. You can watch the livestream here. Regardless of what happens, I encourage everyone to remain calm, cool, and collected. If we fail, so be it. Kate the Impaler is leading Sad Puppies 4 for 2016 and the long march continues. If we succeed, then that is one more strong point broken, but many still remain. The long march continues.

Whether we are beaten back this time or we break through the enemy lines and leave them reeling in disbelief and disarray, we will continue to methodically and patiently advance. We will defeat the SJWs in science fiction, we will break the stranglehold of the gatekeepers, we will reclaim the genre for freedom of speech, thought, and association, and we will continue to expose the pretenses and posturings and pernicious accusations of the SJWs for the lies that they are.

And in doing so, we will show others, in other industries and areas of the culture, that not only is resistance possible, but that it is possible to reclaim long-lost ground. We will show them that even a small number of people who are willing to stand up and say "you shall not pass" can make a real and substantive difference.

I spent the afternoon putting together two ebooks by Jerry Pournelle that Castalia will be releasing later this month. Going through them helped me put into perspective how much has changed in science fiction and across the West since the early 1980s, most of it distinctly not for the better. Like us, those books have lain dormant for over a decade. But they are coming back. So are we.

I will post the results here as they are announced.

Best New Writer:

Rolf Nelson, Eric Raymond, Kary English, Jason Cordova, Wesley Chu

Best Fan Artist

Ninni Aalto Brad Foster Elizabetth Leggett Spring Schoenhusth, Steve Styles

Best Fan Writer 777

Dave Freer, Amanda Green, Jeffro, Laura Mixon, Cedar Sanderson

Best Fancast 576

Adventures in SF Publishing, Dungeaon Crawlers Radio, Galactic Suburbia, The Sci Phi Show, Tea and Jeapardy

 Best Fanzine 576

Black Gate, Elitist Book Reviews, Journey Planet, The Revenge of Hump Day, Tangent SF Online

Best Semipro periodical 660

Abyss Apex, Andromeda Spaceways, Beneath Ceaseless Skies, Lightspeed, Strange Horizons

Best Professional Artist 753

Julie Dillon, Jon Eno, Nick Greenwood

Best Editor (long) 712

Vox Day, Sheila Gilbert, Jim Minz, Anne Sowards, Toni Weisskopf

Best Editor (short) 870

Jennifer Brozek, Vox Day, Mike Resnick, Edmund Schubert, Bryan Thomas Schmidt

Best Drama short 938

Dr Who Listen, The Flash pilot, Game of Thrones Mountain and Viper, Grimm Once We Were Gods, Orphan Black By which means have never yet been tried

Best Drama long 1285

Captain America, Edge of Tomorrow, Guardians of the Galaxy, Interstellar, The Lego Movie

Best Graphic Story 785

Ms Marvel 1, Rat Queens Vol 1, Saga Volume 3, Sex Criminals 1, The Zombie Nation Vol 2, Reanimate

Best Related Work 1,150

Hot Equations, Letters from Gardner, Transhuman and Subhuman, Why Science Never Settled, Wisdom From My Internet

Best Short Story 1,174

Goodnight Stars, On a Spiritual Plain, The Parliament of Beast and Birds, Totaled, Turncoat

Best Novelette 1,031

Ashes to Ashes, Championsip B'Tok, The Journeyman, The Triple Sun, Yes, Virginia There is a Santa Claus

Best Novella 1,083

Big Boys Don't Cry, Flow, One Bright Star to Guide Them, Pale Realms of Shade, The Plural of Helen of Troy

Best Novel 1821

Ancillary Sword, The Dark Between the Stars, The Goblin Emperor, Lines of Departure, Skin Game


Thanks so much to all the Rabid Puppies and Sad Puppies for your support. Without you, this cultural revolution in science fiction and fantasy would not have gotten off the ground. And for those feeling left out, you'll be glad to know that it does not end here. If you aren't already marching with the Evil Legion of Evil, you can vote in the finals this year and for next year's nominations too by registering for a Supporting Membership with Sasquan.

I think you'll find that at $40, it offers a considerable quantity of entertainment value for the dollar.

My favorite part about the whole thing was that one of the few SJW works to make it on the shortlist was Sex Criminals 1. That's astonishing, especially in light of the recent revelations concerning Marion Zimmer Bradley and Ed Kramer.

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Anonymous Donn April 04, 2015 2:24 PM  

Have you announced the Pournelle books yet?

Anonymous Donn April 04, 2015 2:26 PM  

The titles I mean.

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 2:29 PM  

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what we've said or not said. In any case, we'll be announcing it soon.

Anonymous aviendha April 04, 2015 2:35 PM  

Pournelle...one of my scifi and computer heros...at Castalia House.
Well Played Sir.

Now rush the paper book editions and I'll order them!

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 2:35 PM  

The screaming is victory enough.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 2:41 PM  

So according to FB it has started but the stream appears dead. Any updates here on gnashing of teeth would be well loved.

Anonymous Roundtine April 04, 2015 3:00 PM  

Just went live

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:04 PM  

Streaming now...record nominations over 2k

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 04, 2015 3:04 PM  

record nominations ...

Blogger Anthony April 04, 2015 3:06 PM  

2122 Nominations. 3 on paper.

Anonymous Difster April 04, 2015 3:08 PM  

I'm sadistic enough to actually have this live streaming.
I have #HugoAwards as a column in my TweetDeck too.

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 3:08 PM  

Congrats to Rolf for getting on the shortlist for the Campbell!

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 04, 2015 3:10 PM  

He he. I can smell the "No Vote"s already

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 04, 2015 3:12 PM  

So 576 Rabid Puppies?

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 3:14 PM  

Vox Day, A TWICE NOMINATED HUGO!

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:14 PM  

WHOOHOO much win in editor!

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A April 04, 2015 3:15 PM  

Woot - Vox for Best Long-form Editor

Anonymous Salt April 04, 2015 3:15 PM  

Oh Yeah!!!!! Editor long form,

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:15 PM  

In three times

Anonymous NateM April 04, 2015 3:15 PM  

I cracked a smile when she read his name for best editor long

Anonymous Dif April 04, 2015 3:16 PM  

The presenter saying Vox's name had venom in his voice. Epic.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P April 04, 2015 3:17 PM  

heh, SJW heads explode the world over at the editor noms..

Anonymous Giuseppe April 04, 2015 3:17 PM  

BAM!
And my vote for vox day as editor in both categories counted!
I can't express how happy this made me!

But I am laughing the long laugh of Evil.
Bwahahahahhahhahahhahahah!

Blogger Salt April 04, 2015 3:18 PM  

Oh the SJW buzz is going to be delicious.

Anonymous noah b April 04, 2015 3:19 PM  

Rabid puppies -- fuck yeah!!!

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 3:19 PM  

I'd pop the champagne, gentlemen, but I believe tonight we drink our full on the tears of rabbits.

Might be a good time before they get to best novel to invest in fainting couch futures.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:19 PM  

Sex Criminals #1? For realz? This is a real book? And they voted for it?

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 3:20 PM  

Two more scalps for Castalia house.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:20 PM  

SWEPT RELATED WORKS NO CLAPPING HAHAHAHAHHA

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:21 PM  

That's two in short story right?

Anonymous Difster April 04, 2015 3:22 PM  

Oh jeez, you know these people hate this!

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:22 PM  

Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Clause. So true.

Blogger Salt April 04, 2015 3:22 PM  

Puppies... :-)

Blogger Tiago Paolini April 04, 2015 3:22 PM  

John C. Wright is officially a Hugo nominated author.

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 3:23 PM  

Kratman! Everything is wonderful.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:23 PM  

FOUR OF FIVE IN NOVELLA RIGHT?!!??! Or is that five?

Anonymous Roundtine April 04, 2015 3:23 PM  

That's two in short story right?
All 5 in short stories, that was the Rapid Puppies slate.

Blogger IM2L844 April 04, 2015 3:24 PM  

I'm already calling it a win.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:24 PM  

Holy crap. The income from Sad Puppies is amazing. If these people have any sense they'll welcome us.

Blogger Salt April 04, 2015 3:24 PM  

WOW,,, look at that trend

Blogger Anthony April 04, 2015 3:24 PM  

Three nominations for John C. Wright for Best Novella!

Anonymous Difster April 04, 2015 3:24 PM  

The #HugoAwards hashtag is blowing up. People haz sads.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:24 PM  

Votes by gender? Seriously?

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A April 04, 2015 3:25 PM  

Check the last two years on the ballots for nomination

Blogger Giraffe April 04, 2015 3:25 PM  

Lots of puppies in there.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:25 PM  

Sad puppies rejoice!

Blogger Crude April 04, 2015 3:26 PM  

Well damn. This is the list? Am I misremembering, or is this far more successful than even last year's outing was?

Anonymous Eowyn April 04, 2015 3:26 PM  

Oh, well done, Mr. Wright. It's wonderful to see works actually deserving of recognition on the list.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 04, 2015 3:26 PM  

Didi Chanoch ‏@didic
No Award is definitely going to have an amazing year. Crap,

Phil Sandifer ‏@PhilSandifer
Well, fairly straightforward then. Either No Award Given wins most categories, or the #hugoawards are permanently discredited. #sadpuppies

lolling muchly

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 3:26 PM  

Hmmm...not broadcast but heard about "future"...hmmm...I might go...just to see sad puppies rejoice first hand.

Anonymous Rolf April 04, 2015 3:26 PM  

Are the names announced in any particular order? I.e., does it mean anything, such as most votes to least, or the other way around?

In either case, very cool!

Anonymous WaterBoy April 04, 2015 3:27 PM  

Wait...is that a smirk on the face of that puppy over there?

It's a start....

Anonymous Difster April 04, 2015 3:27 PM  

That was so satisfying I think I need a cigarette now.

Anonymous Jeanne April 04, 2015 3:28 PM  

I love puppies!!! I love sad puppies and rabid puppies! Puppies everywhere rejoice!

Anonymous Roundtine April 04, 2015 3:28 PM  

Are the names announced in any particular order?

They said it was alphabetical, but sometimes it wasn't.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P April 04, 2015 3:29 PM  

I'll admit, that raised a laugh over here. Congratulations to all the worthy nominees. Great representation for Mr Wright, Vox and Castalia House.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 04, 2015 3:29 PM  

This is the best Easter ever!
Congratulations to Vox, Kratman, Wright, Castalia House and all the other dread, dread, dread ilk!

And especially thank you Vox for leading this charge and showing others how to lead their own charges.
May God bless you all.

Anonymous pseudotsuga April 04, 2015 3:29 PM  

I am following along on Brad Torgerson's List...He's batting over 80%!
and I am laughing, too, to see fiction I LIKE on the list at last!
They have a RECORD ballot count, and they are "delighted" to achieve this number...
I don't think they achieved it without Wendell's help.

Blogger lubertdas April 04, 2015 3:30 PM  

Vox, any chance we can get the Sad/Rabid Puppies nominee's put in bold on your listing so we can see where our successes were?

Blogger George April 04, 2015 3:30 PM  

I am rejoicing that the 40 dollars from LondonCon were well spent. And I anticipate the 40 from Sasquon will be will well spent also.

Blogger wrf3 April 04, 2015 3:31 PM  

Alexander wrote: I'd pop the champagne, gentlemen, but I believe tonight we drink our full on the tears of rabbits.

I'm reminded of James Tiptree's (aka Alice Sheldon) "Brightness Falls from the Air". There, the quaff was called Star's Tears" and was the exudate produced by torturing an unique alien species.

Anonymous kfg April 04, 2015 3:31 PM  

Congratulations, Vox. Your startup is a power. May it live long and prosper.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield April 04, 2015 3:31 PM  

Best $40 I ever spent.

Congrats to Vox, Larry and Brad!

Now for the wins!

OpenID marsascendant April 04, 2015 3:32 PM  

My take away is that Castalia House punches way the fuck above its fucking weight.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 3:32 PM  

"If these people have any sense they'll welcome us."


You see the problem, right?

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 3:32 PM  

Sex Criminals #1? For realz? This is a real book? And they voted for it?

Wouldn't it have been horrible if we'd nominated something that kept such a meritorious work off the ballot?

Anonymous aviendha April 04, 2015 3:33 PM  

The delicious pubbie tears will be worth the price of admission. It is almost funny to see good scifi getting recognized after years of were-seal porn and transgendered hobbits.

Anonymous aviendha April 04, 2015 3:35 PM  

Sex Criminals is a comic book. SJW fugly slut justification with so-so art. Next year if we aren't nominating some comic books I'll bitch and moan. Comicon is turning into a SJW love thyfatgayself fest.

Anonymous kfg April 04, 2015 3:36 PM  

"My take away is that Castalia House punches way the fuck above its fucking weight. "

So far above it's weight that I'm wondering if class records have been broken.

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 3:36 PM  

Today we make camp and celebrate. Tomorrow we rest. Then the long march continues.

Blogger Rantor April 04, 2015 3:37 PM  

And there was much JOY and cavorting in Rantorland... must go monitor the twit feed. Mostly, inexplicably awesome.

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 04, 2015 3:38 PM  

Congratulations Vox, Castalia, Puppies, and Ilk.

Meanwhile, over on Whatever... silence since days. Deafening.

Blogger Salt April 04, 2015 3:39 PM  

Having Vox in there, by name, is going to really grate on them. ERs may be getting a little work about now.

Blogger Salt April 04, 2015 3:39 PM  

Meanwhile, over on Whatever... silence since days. Deafening.

He's in Australia.

Anonymous AmyJ April 04, 2015 3:39 PM  

The SJW puling on Twitter is hilarious. The crybabies will be voting "No Award" in record numbers like the intolerant, dishonest, pouty children we all know they are.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 3:41 PM  

I bet Teresa Nielsen Hayden is hopping mad right now.

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 3:42 PM  

From making light's coming clusterfuck of a tantrum:

#4 ::: Benjamin Wolfe ::: (view all by) ::: April 04, 2015, 03:38 PM:
I'm thinking that there's going to be an awful lot of "No Award" on my ballot.

Also, I have to say I'm not particularly looking forward to whatever form the Hugo packet takes this year. There are a couple of nominees in Best Novel I'd like to read, but I'm happy to buy those when funds and time permit, but the rest, I can mostly do without.



Not that we didn't know this, but not the 'I'm voting no award' and "I'm not going to read them' all in the same breath. Remember this when they accuse us of this.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 3:43 PM  

The crybabies will be voting "No Award" in record numbers like the intolerant, dishonest, pouty children we all know they are.

That won't happen, because it's a clear abuse of their position and a clear failure in their duty, and they'd never do something as wrong as that.

Blogger lubertdas April 04, 2015 3:43 PM  

"He's (Scalzi) in Australia."

Oh that's right, I forgot that the inter-tubes don't go down under... they're living in a Mad Max type post-apocalyptic setting where you can't update your "super popular" web site.

Anonymous Nick Gardner April 04, 2015 3:43 PM  

You could hear the heads exploding as the nominations were read.
And congrats Vox!

Blogger wrf3 April 04, 2015 3:44 PM  

Salt wrote: He's in Australia.

What, they don't have computers or internet access down under?

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A April 04, 2015 3:44 PM  

"AmyJ April 04, 2015 3:39 PM

The SJW puling on Twitter is hilarious. The crybabies will be voting "No Award" in record numbers like the intolerant, dishonest, pouty children we all know they are."

Encourage others to join Sasquan for $40 and read the nominee works. Drown out "No Award" with votes for works that deserve the recognition. You will be able to nominate in 2016 for the price of registration this year.

Sasquon registration

Blogger lubertdas April 04, 2015 3:45 PM  

I just put a comment up on "The World in the Satin Bag" web site by one of the CHORF's who's talking about "No Award" and "Blank Spacing" the Hugo Awards.

I simply asked him if he'd actually READ any of the nominated works...

After hitting publish, I got the old, "Comment will be published after approval" message, so I won't be holding my breath there....

Anonymous Alec April 04, 2015 3:45 PM  

Here's why there is no Correia: http://monsterhunternation.com/2015/04/04/sad-puppies-update-the-nominees-announced-and-why-i-refused-my-nomination/

Blogger wrf3 April 04, 2015 3:46 PM  

Shakes tiny fist at lubertdas. ;-)

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 04, 2015 3:46 PM  

I bet Teresa Nielsen Hayden is hopping mad right now.

How so? Has anti-gravity technology actually been invented already? I thought that belongs to the realm of science fiction...

Anonymous AmyJ April 04, 2015 3:46 PM  

"That won't happen, because it's a clear abuse of their position and a clear failure in their duty, and they'd never do something as wrong as that."

Never! They'd never accuse a group of people of bloc voting for a purpose, and then turn around and do it themselves. Why, that would be pretty hypocritical, wouldn't it?

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 04, 2015 3:46 PM  

Larry Correia got a nomination, but turned it down. Monster Hunter Nemesis.

Can't wait to see how doing that makes him even eviler.

Blogger lubertdas April 04, 2015 3:47 PM  

Leave it to Larry Correia for showing what a class act he is.

I'm going to go buy some more Larry Correia books from Amazon and Audible...

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 04, 2015 3:49 PM  

So, were it not for Larry refusing, Rabid Puppies would have swept Best Novel, too?

Anonymous Soga April 04, 2015 3:49 PM  

Thank you, Lord, for Vox. He may not be the finest Christian, and self-confessedly so, but he is the Christian we needed. Thank You for building up such an intelligent and proactive Christian to lead us by example in defending the Church, the body of Your Only Begotten Son. Thank You for the gift of your Son, who was crucified and raised. Bless Vox and the Ilk, and those who will stand up on behalf of the Church and so batter the gates of Hell until the evil ones are too terrified to step out past them again. Guide us in speaking Truth and witnessing of the Light. Guide us in building an infrastructure and economy against which our enemies will be completely ineffective. Encourage our enemies in turning on themselves, on destroying themselves, and ruining all that which they took over, that they will either face Your judgment or fall to their knees, humbled, and seek Your mercy and grace by confessing Your Son's Lordship. In His Name, Amen.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 3:49 PM  

If Correia ever gets nominated again, he'd better accept.

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 3:51 PM  

#2 ::: between4walls ::: (view all by) ::: April 04, 2015, 03:33 PM:
Congratulations on Goblin Emperor and The Dark Between the Stars getting nominated.


#8 ::: between4walls ::: (view all by) ::: April 04, 2015, 03:45 PM:
Oh, I didn't realize the Dark Between the Stars was a Sad Puppies nominee. Well, congrats on the Gobin Emperor, anyway.


A book the poster liked is thrown on the trash heap the moment there's a danger it's associated with the wrong group. And to think they call themselves anti-fascists.

Blogger Danby April 04, 2015 3:51 PM  

Hey, Waitaminnit!
If they couldn't control the nominations, what makes them think that they'll be able to drown out the sound of suddenly happy puppies by voting No Award?

You've already outvoted them. You can be sure that the SMOFs colluded behind the scenes on a consolidated slate. They knew SP3 was coming. They still couldn't out-maneuver or outvote it.

That means they will not be able to work sufficiently behind the scenes to change the final outcome. therefore, they will have to do their hate-filled vituperation out in the open, where it can be challenged and corrected.

They've already lost, and they know it.
Just to be sure though, I now have to spend the money to buy a membership. I really can't afford it, but the the SJW tears of unfathomable sadness are just too delicious.

At least I'll get a lot of good books out of it.

Blogger Cee April 04, 2015 3:52 PM  

[raffing]

Wonderful!

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 04, 2015 3:52 PM  

@Soga:

The irony may well be that I get to look over the western civilization Vox saved while I'm burning at the stake for atheism. All sarcasm aside, it might be a worthwhile trade.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 3:52 PM  

After the Indiana fiasco, we may need a national "Gay puppies" campaign.

Blogger Hd Hammer April 04, 2015 3:53 PM  

Congrats Vox and other Sad Puppies!

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 04, 2015 3:53 PM  

My error; I guess they will marshall behind a story about some amazingly tough soldier who uses amazingly tough stolen equipment until someone betrays her and she must choose between a millionaire playboy and a millionaire handyman.

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 04, 2015 3:54 PM  

Here's why there is no Correia

Ah, well that is somewhat disappointing. We'll have to respect his decision, surely. But I think he made the wrong decision. Anyway, it was his to make and not mine.

Anonymous Jeanne April 04, 2015 3:55 PM  

Ah! I was disappointed Larry didn't get a nomination, and now I see he did and, like the class act he is, turned it down.

This day just keeps getting better.

Blogger lubertdas April 04, 2015 3:56 PM  

Holy Crap! I, and one other Puppies supporter got a comment in on the Tor.com post on the Hugo's and now that post has the dreaded

This page is closed for comments.

The BUTTHURT is strong for them!

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 3:56 PM  

Is the rabid puppy logo available as a badge? I know the cafepress has the shirts, but I wondered if he made it as a badge as well.

I'd buy one right now.

Anonymous RP April 04, 2015 3:57 PM  

I see tor.com has already closed comments on the Hugos. Can't imagine why.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 3:58 PM  

I see tor.com has already closed comments on the Hugos. Can't imagine why.

- insert 'Mr. Burns evil laugh' gif here

Anonymous Soga April 04, 2015 4:02 PM  

Expendable: Nah, we won't burn you just for being an atheist. As long as you understand that Christianity is the foundation of western civilization as we used to know it, the civilization that grew and prospered so successfully, and as long as you contribute to this civilization and respect it and Christianity, you'll be fine. We won't force you to convert. But if you want western civilization, you must share at least most of our values. Those values are part of why western civilization was so successful, and in sharing our values, you will have some commonality with us on which we can relate as friends.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 4:05 PM  

More stupidity (and salty tears) by Phil Sandifer:


Phil Sandifer @PhilSandifer · 30m 30 minutes ago

Not supporting neofascists is simply a minimum requirement for being a legitimate awards ceremony.
7 retweets 3 favorites


Phil Sandifer @PhilSandifer · 31m 31 minutes ago

Let's be clear about the threshold here. If a neofascist takeover scheme wins a single category of your awards, you are utterly discredited.

Someone with the Twitter handle of TRV Dante is kicking the hell out of Phil's position.

Anonymous Philalethes April 04, 2015 4:08 PM  

Under Best Fan Artist, it's Steve Stiles (with an "i"). Steve was a prolific fan artist in the early 60s; I published a lot of his excellent work in my fanzines. I don't know why he's being nominated 50 years later – not up on the current scene – but I guess he's still active. He posts regularly along with other old friends on a private mailing list; I see he just got back from Corflu (a small "fanzine fan" oriented con, this year in England).

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 04, 2015 4:10 PM  

So, The Lego Movie was the real secret cruelty artist surprise for the guilt-by-association game, huh?

Blogger Keith Glass April 04, 2015 4:12 PM  

It's amusing: the Narratives have already started: "The Hugos are Broken". "Vote 'No Award'".

Sorry, Rabbits, but those of us of the Puppy persuasion, be we Sad, Rabid, or otherwise, are ACCUSTOMED to producing results and achieving success, and both organize and act in such a way to maximize achievement of same.

Oh, and it helps that we generally have sufficient disposable income to buy Supporting or Attending Memberships. . . (evil grin)

OpenID marsascendant April 04, 2015 4:14 PM  

A few thoughts.

The size of the "No Awards" vote will define the size of the "anti-puppies".

Castalia House just got every writer and wannabe writer jizzing in their pants.

Did Tor just get shut out? Burying the lead?

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 4:14 PM  

Wouldn't it have been horrible if we'd nominated something that kept such a meritorious work off the ballot?

I can't even IMAGINE doing that in face of the scandal. I just don't get it. How could you be in the midst of an abuse scandal and then vote a book of drawings titled sex crimes in as best art? I feel sad for them. And I will probably go. I want to cheer when sad puppies finally laugh.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 4:15 PM  


Did Tor just get shut out? Burying the lead?

No they did not.

Anonymous kfg April 04, 2015 4:16 PM  

re: between4walls - Could the point of sad puppies have been made any more obviously? Way to go; dumbass.

Anonymous Steve April 04, 2015 4:16 PM  

one of the few SJW works to make it on the shortlist was Sex Criminals 1

I'm not sure NAMBLA supporter and SJW favourite Samuel L Delaney will be pleased with the term "criminals".

Anonymous roo_ster April 04, 2015 4:17 PM  

Holy sheepdip, I have actually read a decent number of those nominees!

I also was able to vote for their nomination. Just thrilled to see _One Bright Star_ and _Yes Virginia_ get nominated.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield April 04, 2015 4:20 PM  

And let me thank Mr. John Scalzi for his inspiration and elucidation of the tactics it took us to gain the nominations.

Couldn't have done it without ya, manboob!

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 4:20 PM  

From file 770:

SAD PUPPIES 3: the 2015 Hugo slate

Recommended 60 nominees; 51 made the final ballot and 9 did not.
RABID PUPPIES 2015

Recommended 67 nominees; 58 made the final ballot and 9 did not.
COMBINED SCORECARD

A total of 61 nominees from both slates made the final ballot.
This consists of 48 items recommended by both lists; 3 items only on Sad Puppies; and 10 only on Rabid Puppies.
Failing to make the final ballot were 4 items recommended on both lists, plus 5 items that only appeared on Rabid Puppies.
NOT APPEARING ON EITHER LIST

24 final ballot nominees did not come from either list.

Anonymous Scooter April 04, 2015 4:21 PM  

Congrats to Vox Day, Castalia House, Tom Kratman, John C. Wright, Rolf Nelson, and Jeffro! And Larry Correia, for proving that this isn't about awards, but good stories and actual diversity (creatively and politically).

Well deserved, all.

Blogger Danby April 04, 2015 4:21 PM  

I look up to the #anti-puppies. They're just like firemen.



The firemen in Farenheit 451

Anonymous kfg April 04, 2015 4:25 PM  

@Danby: Stolen.

Blogger IM2L844 April 04, 2015 4:27 PM  

Phil Sandifer @PhilSandifer · 30m 30 minutes ago

Not supporting neofascists is simply a minimum requirement for being a legitimate awards ceremony.
7 retweets 3 favorites


That the SJWs would prefer cutting their own throats to relinquishing control was always part of the calculus. So be it.

Anonymous Steve April 04, 2015 4:28 PM  

Sad Puppies 3: How the slate performed against nominations:

BEST NOVEL - 3 nominees out of 5 on the slate (might have been 4 out of 5 if Larry hadn't graciously declined his nomination?)

BEST NOVELLA - 3 out of 3

BEST NOVELETTE - 4 out of 5

BEST SHORT STORY - 3 out of 5

BEST RELATED WORK - 5 out of 5

BEST EDITOR (LONG FORM) - 4 out of 4 (plus one Rabid Puppy!)

BEST EDITOR (SHORT FORM) - another 4 out of 4 (plus one Rabid Puppy)

BEST GRAPHIC STORY - 1 out of 1

And similar successes in other categories.

Brilliant.

Blogger Danby April 04, 2015 4:29 PM  

@kfg
Good, that was the intent. I would love for someone with more than my negative artistic skill to make a meme from it.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 4:29 PM  

To follow up on Alexander's posts, 4 of the puppy entrees may have failed to gain nominations because of eligibility issues:


Best Short Story: “Tuesdays With Molakesh the Destroyer” – Megan Grey –is eligible in 2015, not this year.
Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form): Coherence – IMDB shows this as a 2013 release.
Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form): Supernatural: “Dog Dean Afternoon” – IMDB shows this as a 2013 release.
Best Semiprozine: Orson Scott Card’s InterGalactic Medicine Show — It’s listed by Semiprozine.org as a professional publication, so may be ineligible.



Making today's haul even more impressive, percentage-wise.

Anonymous The other robot (who reads and votes) April 04, 2015 4:30 PM  

Oh damn! I was so looking forward to reading Three Body Problem (not) for free!

Actually, I was dreading it, since I will try to read everything in the packet.

When does it become available?

OpenID marsascendant April 04, 2015 4:31 PM  

Next thought. How Were so many "anti-puppy" blogs so accurate about the 3/5 best novels are puppy novels "rumors"

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 04, 2015 4:32 PM  

Democracy has failed!

We need a strong man to come in and fix things!

We will always be able to control him!

I never thought I'd see The Road to Serfdom acted out on Twitter.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 4:35 PM  

More comedy, this one from a reply in the file 770 thread breaking down the wins:

spacefaringkitten on April 4, 2015 at 1:31 pm said:

Whoa, I didn’t expect to see Rabid Puppies take this. It really looks bad for the credibility of the award.

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 4:35 PM  

Oh damn! I was so looking forward to reading Three Body Problem (not) for free!

Actually, it's excellent. I was disappointed that it didn't make it instead of Ancillary Sword. The amusing thing is Leckie winning a second year in a row would discredit the Hugos far more than any of our nominations.

Blogger Jack Aubrey April 04, 2015 4:35 PM  

Oh Happy Day. No pun intended. Congratulations to the SP/RP nominees, they are well-deserved.

Anonymous vales3 April 04, 2015 4:40 PM  

A glorious day! This really makes me happy. Good job all!

Blogger Danby April 04, 2015 4:41 PM  

here's a poor attempt.

Anonymous Steve April 04, 2015 4:44 PM  

MrGreenMan - It's high-larious, isn't it?

This weird little clique of oddball SJW's (just look at Phil "neofascists" Sandifer, for Chtulu's sake) thought they had taken over SFF fandom forever.

It was supposed to be their little ghettoised sandbox / "safe space", where they could make the rules and toss out anybody who wasn't in the cool kids club. Who cares that the genre was dying on its arse? Not the SJW's. They were too busy fapping over non-gender-binary dinosaur stories and giving each other awards.

The adults are back in charge.

Anonymous kfg April 04, 2015 4:44 PM  

@Danby: I am a raconteur and journeyman cruelty artist, not a graphic artist. I have reframed it thus:

"You know, I have this feeling about you. When you were a boy you went through a phase of wanting to be a fireman when you grew up. Right after reading Fahrenheit 451."

I look forward to applying your shiv.

Blogger Salt April 04, 2015 4:45 PM  

Damien Walter ‏@damiengwalter 6m6 minutes ago

A great shame that @swordandlaser did not get its #hugoawards nomination. Along with many others pushed off the shortlists.


Bet he sits on a hemorrhoid cushion when he writes about it all.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 04, 2015 4:47 PM  

@Steve
"They were too busy fapping over non-gender-binary dinosaur stories and giving each other awards."

That horrible dinosaur sex story was what did it for me. Having been a much more avid reader of the genre when younger, it feels good to see adults return to run things.

Even Ray Bradbury's most homespun and hokey, like some of his attempts at horror, were better than dinosaur sex and mating rituals as revenge fantasy.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 04, 2015 4:49 PM  

I don't often read Twitter, but when I do, Sad Puppies winning makes it better.

Anonymous The other robot (who reads) April 04, 2015 4:50 PM  

"Oh damn! I was so looking forward to reading Three Body Problem (not) for free!"

Actually, it's excellent.


OK, maybe I will have to spend some of my money to get it on Kindle. I based my initial assessment on how parochial the initial chapters seemed to be and the seemingly tortured similes etc. Of course, in some sense John Ringo's Aldenata series starts out somewhat parochially (if you are a Chinese reader, I guess) and fails to understand the rate of change in near-term tech etc.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 04, 2015 4:50 PM  

To learn more from Mr.Obama and his man Alynski:

This was fun. More will rally to the cause since it was fun. The comfort they claim that there are few puppies will be short-lived as success breeds success.

Anonymous kfg April 04, 2015 4:50 PM  

@MrGreenMan:

That's what they get for discarding a Classical education. Welcome to Attic tyranny.

Anonymous Red Comet April 04, 2015 4:53 PM  

Ms. Marvel and Rat Queens are diversity and feminism pandering picks.

Someone should probably also ask the Worldcon SJWs why Rat Queens is allowed to be nominated given that its co-creator was arrested last year for trying to cave his wife's head in.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 4:57 PM  

Someone should probably also ask the Worldcon SJWs why Rat Queens is allowed to be nominated given that its co-creator was arrested last year for trying to cave his wife's head in.

Why should the creator's arrest make any difference?

Anonymous Culture War Draftee April 04, 2015 5:01 PM  

Holy cow, I am laughing my butt off. this will be the most delightful SJW meltdown since I dunno when.

Expendable Minion,
I feel ya bro. I'm an atheist & I don't particularly care for Mormons or Catholics, but SJWs just make me want to vomit.
Regards the burning at the stake thing, you have to understand that in Vox's culture, it's considered a friendly greeting. We mustn't judge.

Anonymous Nathan April 04, 2015 5:05 PM  

Looks like a minimum of over 100 votes increase between this year and last per category. Probably not enough to tip the balance in our favor from the SJWs, Tor-bots, and those who are just pissed off at both parties. Still, 3-400 is a good start.

"Actually, it's excellent. I was disappointed that it didn't make it instead of Ancillary Sword. The amusing thing is Leckie winning a second year in a row would discredit the Hugos far more than any of our nominations."

If she wins, as I expect her to, barring more recruitment, she's the Queen of the Asterisk. Had Neil Gaiman not refused his nom, he would have likely won last year, and it's likely she made it only because of Larry's refusal.

Blogger traderdoc April 04, 2015 5:08 PM  

A toast with Bushmill's Black to you tonight Vox and the Puppies.

Blogger Anthony April 04, 2015 5:11 PM  

Three-Body Problem not making it was a big disappointment.

Some of the scenes from the 70s and earlier are a good guide to what SJWs want when they gain power.

Anonymous The other robot April 04, 2015 5:13 PM  

Someone should probably also ask the Worldcon SJWs why Rat Queens is allowed to be nominated given that its co-creator was arrested last year for trying to cave his wife's head in.

Why should the creator's arrest make any difference?


Well, there are indications that they are conflicted about kiddie diddling, for example. Why, just recently I saw that Enoch Powell has been posthumously accused of it.

However, they seem not to be concerned by Bradley or that other one or the fact of that Gay Marriage in a UK prison where one is in jail because he is a pedophile.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 04, 2015 5:14 PM  

I keep writing then deleting replies to the sad SJW tweets - I don't want to seem too jubilant.

Anonymous The other robot (who criticizes things) April 04, 2015 5:16 PM  

Three-Body Problem not making it was a big disappointment.

Yes, this shining example of writing will surely be missed:

She picked up her ax and saw and began to clear the branches from the trunk. Every time she did this, she felt as though she were cleaning the corpse of a giant. Sometimes she even imagined the giant was her father.

If that is better writing than Lecke I shudder to think what Lecke's writing is like.

Blogger Yollo April 04, 2015 5:21 PM  

Congrats! On an unrelated note, I hope AODL #2 is coming along nicely. The wait has been too long.

Blogger Salt April 04, 2015 5:21 PM  

I keep writing then deleting replies to the sad SJW tweets - I don't want to seem too jubilant.

Given what they are, pile on.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 5:36 PM  

The posters on file 770 continue to amuse. One named Cat is demonstrating a complete lack of any ability to think logically. Another, Moshe Federer, is talking about a "Vote No Award" campaign.

Good stuff

Anonymous Randy M April 04, 2015 5:40 PM  

"Why should the creator's arrest make any difference?"

Stop defending principles. Deploy the tactics, let them make the case that the creator doesn't matter, then throw their puppy tantrums in their face.

Anonymous Viidad April 04, 2015 5:41 PM  

This is the best news I've heard in a long time. Congratulations, puppies!

Anonymous Nathan April 04, 2015 5:41 PM  

Screencap that one, Scintan. Moshe Feder is a Tor editor.

Blogger traderdoc April 04, 2015 5:41 PM  

"I keep writing then deleting replies to the sad SJW tweets - I don't want to seem too jubilant.

Given what they are, pile on."

Yes, Salt is right.

They love pain, remember. Right up the old bupkiss.

Blogger Markku April 04, 2015 5:41 PM  

They can vote No Award. That is not even dishonest. If they pull it off, and this were a more respectable enemy from whom I could expect no spittle on my face, I would even congratulate them on a well played victory if they in fact pull it off.

But remember, the second battle has only just started. The cost of joining the second battle is $40. Do with that information what you will.

Blogger Markku April 04, 2015 5:41 PM  

(Unless you already paid for first battle, in which case it's free)

Blogger Salt April 04, 2015 5:44 PM  

I would even congratulate them on a well played victory if they in fact pull it off.

That could seriously damage the Hugos, soon replacing the Rocketship with a wittle wabbit.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 5:48 PM  

Screencap that one, Scintan. Moshe Feder is a Tor editor.

Moshe Feder on April 4, 2015 at 2:17 pm said:

I’m sure Mike can guess my reaction to this turn of events.

While some or all of the slated nominees may be worthy, block voting is as odious to me now as it was in the 70s, and contrary to the Fannish tradition of stubborn individuality.

Perhaps it’s time to revive my old VOTE NO AWARD campaign.


Screencap to your heart's content

Blogger Markku April 04, 2015 5:49 PM  

Yes, we have already won since that would cause an incredible brouhaha. It would raise awareness of Blue SF/F. But still, the best thing would be to sweep the actual awards too. That would be the best remedy against neoreactionary defeatism, which is currently our biggest obstacle.

Anonymous Nathan April 04, 2015 5:52 PM  

@Scintan,

Thank you.

@Markku

By my estimation, we'd need to double our numbers to do so, even before the vote stuffing, as intimated by Kowal, begins.

Blogger Markku April 04, 2015 5:56 PM  

Sure, it might be hard, and we might even lose. But think of it as part of establishing a record as Neoreactionary Original Gangster, before the masses follow and EVERYBODY claims they were with the movement all along.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 5:56 PM  

Yes, we have already won since that would cause an incredible brouhaha.

The puppies have already won, as you said. No matter what happens with the final round of voting, the puppies have had their impact.

The organized response from the insiders (and they will come up with an organized response, because that's what they do) will be interesting to see, particularly given the way they found an avenue to banish VD from the SFWA.

Blogger Markku April 04, 2015 5:57 PM  

Those who were winning when victory was not certain, are the people who are going to be trusted. And that will be profitable.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 6:08 PM  

Moshe's at it again:

It’s most unfortunate that right-wing fans with a warped, paranoid vision of how the Hugo Awards have successfully functioned for decades

To bring organized campaigning into the process is to render the awards all but meaningless.

No Award is our last bastion against corruption.

Keep 'em coming, Moshe

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 6:11 PM  

Note: The 6:08 post contains 3 separate quotes from different parts of the same post. I forgot to break them up in an easy to see manner.

Anonymous Nathan April 04, 2015 6:20 PM  

Well, Tor's losing what little respect it might have once had. Honestly, since the main objections seem to be coming from Tor, who has historically had an unusually high fraction of the Hugo nominations, I think it might be time for a little ethics in science fiction...

OpenID cailcorishev April 04, 2015 6:24 PM  

The line that keeps coming to mind when I read about this people is from Sheriff Bart in "Blazing Saddles" (yes, I know): "They are soooo dumb!" For all that I'm sure they impressed their teachers in middle school and consider themselves intelligent, they're not at all bright. They have a certain amount of low cunning, but that fails them once you shine a light on it, and they have nothing else to replace it. NFL players are better at damage control than these fools. It's hard to believe they're literate enough to turn out bad books, let alone good ones.

Anonymous kfg April 04, 2015 6:30 PM  

Remember St. Crispin's Day.

Blogger Shibes Meadow April 04, 2015 6:31 PM  

The only way they are going to be able to fix this is by establishing some process by which prospective Hugo voters can be ideologically vetted prior to the nomination ballot. My guess is that the SMOFs will establish some sort of political-ideological version of the Verified Identification program that AirBnB uses. Potential Hugo voters will be required to submit proof of ideological purity (archived Failbook posts/friends lists), write an essay on Why There Can Be No Place in SF for racism/sexism/antiLGBTism etc., or obtain a nomination from an Ideologically Approved member in order to vote.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 6:31 PM  

Phil Sandifer @PhilSandifer · 3h 3 hours ago

Not supporting neofascists is simply a minimum requirement for being a legitimate awards ceremony.


No, Phil, not evaluating works by anything except, you know, the works, is the requirement of a legitimate awards ceremony.

Blogger redlegben April 04, 2015 6:42 PM  

Well if the SP/RP slate needs to double its numbers (3-400), that shouldn't be too hard. $40 really is too cheap to pass this up. I'm a new voting member as of today and I have all the reading material I'll need for a while. Great bargain.

Anonymous IncoherentM April 04, 2015 6:43 PM  

Congratulations, it's nice to see some successful punching back.

Blogger bob k. mando April 04, 2015 6:46 PM  

Rolf April 04, 2015 3:26 PM
Are the names announced in any particular order?



looks like alphabetical, although one is reverse alpha.



Phil Sandifer ‏@PhilSandifer
Well, fairly straightforward then. Either No Award Given wins most categories, or the #hugoawards are permanently discredited. #sadpuppies



because block voting for 'No Award' disproves the Sad Puppies allegations of block voting and manipulation?

Blogger Danby April 04, 2015 6:57 PM  

"Not supporting neofascists is simply a minimum requirement for being a legitimate awards ceremony."

Which is exactly why Sad Puppies was needed.

Blogger Feather Blade April 04, 2015 7:02 PM  

Wow~, Look at all those horribly successful commercial movies in the long form drama category.

Are they sending out copies of those with the packet too? I've been wanting to see several of them...

Anonymous jack April 04, 2015 7:07 PM  

Soga April 04, 2015 3:49 PM

Thank you, Lord, for Vox. He may not be the finest Christian

BUT, he's OUR Christian by golly.
Congrats to all and to all a Merry Year!

Anonymous Difster April 04, 2015 7:07 PM  

Rather than a lot of No Award votes, I predict voter apathy and Sad Puppies winners.

Anonymous kfg April 04, 2015 7:09 PM  

@Bob K. Mando: Cue Dark Helmet.

Anonymous jack April 04, 2015 7:20 PM  

Three Body Problem Vox says its excellent. Good enough for the likes of me. I will buy if, if available on Kindle. If not, maybe not.

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 7:39 PM  

Congratulations, it's nice to see some successful punching back.

Merci. I have to say, of everything that has been said about the nominations, this is my absolute favorite.

"Vox promised the Dread Ilk would not break discipline the way last year’s SP voters obviously did. I believed him when he said it. The success of Rabid Puppies indicates to me that when the stats become available they will bear witness." - Mike Glyer, File 770

I never doubted any of you for a second. I even told Brad very early on that if there was going to be a surprise, it was going to be to the upside and that the Dread Ilk would provide it.

Anonymous Valiant April 04, 2015 7:56 PM  

Quick question. So in order to vote for the Hugo's this year and nominate next year, I will need to pay another $40.00 or will the forty I paid to nominate be enough to vote?

Anonymous Nathan April 04, 2015 8:00 PM  

That $40 gives you access to the voting packet, the ability to vote on the final award ballot, and nominate again on next year's ballot. You only need to buy another supporting membership in next year's Worldcon, if you want to vote on the final ballot for next year.

Blogger mmaier2112 April 04, 2015 8:03 PM  

Well all the "NO AWARD" threats have spurred me to buy a membership to vote this year. This should be interesting.

Larry bowing out is disappointing, though.

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 8:07 PM  

So in order to vote for the Hugo's this year and nominate next year, I will need to pay another $40.00 or will the forty I paid to nominate be enough to vote?

Depends. Did you join Sasquan or Loncon? If Sasquan, no, you're good to vote. If Loncon, then you're done and you need to join Sasquan.

OpenID malcolmthecynic April 04, 2015 8:12 PM  

What a fantastic result! Thrilled to see Mr. Wright on so many times, as well as fellow Sci Phi writer Lee Antonelli.

Blogger bob k. mando April 04, 2015 8:13 PM  

Vox
you need to make a post requesting that people buy CH material ... by joining Sasquan ...

Anonymous Jeanne April 04, 2015 8:43 PM  

And we will be adding another voter for this year and nominater for next year. I was telling my husband about it as we were sitting the car waiting for our youngest to get done with baseball practice and the nominations were rolling in. He doesn't read much sci-fi but he LOVES fantasy. He loves Dresden Files and loved "Awake in the Night Land", so I told him that both Butcher and Wright got nominations.
Him: "That is who I would vote for."
Me: "Well, you can, babe, just get a membership for yourself. Plus, you will get a lot of the other nominated works to read also. You might find some other stuff you really like. "
Him: "Oh, yeah? Good idea. I can do it this year?"
Me: "Yep. You can sign up tonight if you want."
Him: "I will."

And he did. So, one more voter who cares about the quality of works and despises the politicization of works.

We march on.... ;)

Blogger S1AL April 04, 2015 9:04 PM  

I was going to pass on voting this year. I told myself I didn't have the time to commit to reading everything.

And then I saw all the stuff I'd be getting... Well, guess I'm voting.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 04, 2015 9:07 PM  

This comment by VD on file 707 made me laugh audibly. Especially the oh so on the money description of their Lizard Chuthulian god.


VD on April 4, 2015 at 4:27 pm said:
And ye shall know them by their rape threats.

Actually, it’s usually the 7-digit losses, the advertisers cancelling contracts, and the number of people losing their jobs that gives it away.

As I told Mike, if GG showed up, there would be 21,000 votes, the wreckage of Tor would be parted out, and half its authors would be begging for money on Patreon with the unemployed GameJournoListers.

Last year they said we gamed the system. This year they claimed #GamerGate got involved. They’d better pray to whatever freakish Lovecraftian lizard gods they worship that there isn’t a pattern taking shape there.

Blogger Markku April 04, 2015 9:48 PM  

I still think the war was won when they went against Phil Robertson. Now we're just going through the motions of actualizing the victory.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 9:51 PM  

At file 770, Moshe has responded with all guns blazing, in 2 posts. Here is the first:

Gosh, but I’m dazzled by your brilliance, apparently so bright that you can’t see the difference between bloc voting for individual works or persons and voting for an abstraction.

I’m asking people to vote for No Award (not a person named “Noah Ward,” please note), which is the escape clause the rules give us to signal that the process is broken.

I don’t expect you to understand how it’s broken. Clearly the principles you’re basing your argument are radically different from mine. In these late days of traditional fandom, as sad as that is, it’s not surprising.


The second post is longer. The gist of it is that Moshe's claiming to have learned about fandom from a lot of people, and is going to die on his "fannish principles" hill.

What a tool.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 9:53 PM  

I still think the war was won when they went against Phil Robertson. Now we're just going through the motions of actualizing the victory.

Indiana is a pretty clear indication to the contrary.

Anonymous Steve April 04, 2015 9:54 PM  

Jeanne - sounds like you're doing parenting right.

My little guys are so young they're still interested in pop up books and ones with crinkly nylon pages and pictures of cartoon animals in them. Maybe they'll be able to support Sad Puppies X, but hopefully we'll have cured puppy-related sadness by then. :-)

Blogger Markku April 04, 2015 10:00 PM  

Indiana is a pretty clear indication to the contrary.

I have only a vague impression of the whole Indiana situation, but I don't mean that the pendulum would just teleport to the other end, and it would be just easy victories from here. I just mean, that the move to the other direction has started. The final result is inevitable, but it does require work and a good deal of pain.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 10:13 PM  

I have only a vague impression of the whole Indiana situation, but I don't mean that the pendulum would just teleport to the other end, and it would be just easy victories from here. I just mean, that the move to the other direction has started. The final result is inevitable, but it does require work and a good deal of pain.

Read up on Indiana.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 10:23 PM  

From Kary English's blog site:

From what I hear, there’s a push to change the rules so people can nominate something like four out out six possible slots. That sounds reasonable to me depending on how it’s written.

The push back has barely begun. She has already folded.

Blogger Danby April 04, 2015 10:44 PM  

The thought occurs to me, this is what happens when you try to increase control by excluding ever more people. Eventually you reach the tipping point where more people are pissed at your control than consider themselves part of it.

They really mean it when they say you are not a fan of Science Fiction. They don't care that you've been reading or even writing science fiction for 20, thirty, even fifty years (since I was 6? Yes. I was a precocious child. I read From the Earth to the Moon at the age of 6). They don't care about your commitment to quality.

You've been excluded by The Warren. That The Warren now comprises 150 people s also beside the point.

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