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Sunday, April 19, 2015

A letter to Popular Science

Dear Editor,

I am writing to demand a retraction and apology for the libelous article posted Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:00pm by Mike VanHelder. Mr. VanHelder wrote:

"Big winner Vox Day is an outspoken white supremacist and campaigner against women’s education and suffrage, who is on the record as supporting the Taliban’s attempt to assassinate Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousifazi, finding it “scientifically justifiable.”"

  1. I am not a white supremacist. This is flat-out false. Also, I am a Native American with Mexican heritage.
  2. I am not a campaigner against women's education. I am not an activist. I have never campaigned against it.
  3. I am not a campaigner against suffrage. I am not an activist. I have never campaigned against it.
  4. I am not against women's suffrage. I support direct democracy for all, including women.
  5. I am not on the record supporting the Taliban's attempt to assassinate Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousifazi. This is an absolutely outrageous accusation and utterly false.
All of these statements are false, provably and demonstrably false, and appear to be malicious. Therefore, I am requesting an immediate retraction of this error-ridden article as well as a published apology to me. Some of these additional errors include:

  1. Gamergate is not anti-feminist.
  2. Neither Sad Puppies nor Rabid Puppies courted any assistance from GamerGate.
  3. The extent of the collaboration between the THREE groups, (not two, as in the article) is not difficult to quantify. There are precisely two GamerGaters who are also Rabid Puppies, myself and Daddy Warpig.
  4. It is false to claim "No nominated author has ever before withdrawn their work after making it onto the Hugo ballot." It is actually not uncommon for an author to withdraw one of his works after getting more than one nominated in a category. To give a few examples, Harlan Ellison withdrew his Hugo nomination in 1968. Jack Gaughan withdrew his nomination in 1968. Fritz Leiber withdrew his nomination in 1971, as did Robert Silverberg in 1972.
  5. Therefore, the action of withdrawing a nomination is not "unprecedented".
I will appreciate your prompt attention to this matter.

NB: If you would like to add your voice to this call for a retraction and apology, this is the editor's email: letters@popsci.com

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152 Comments:

Anonymous DeepThought April 19, 2015 2:29 AM  

Done. I also cancelled our family's subscription. I should have cancelled it when they banned opposition to climate change in their comments section.

Anonymous dh April 19, 2015 2:30 AM  

Done, happily. Also just wrote a paper letter, cancelling my long-time subscription. I am pretty sure for 12 straight years, but it could be a few more.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera April 19, 2015 2:32 AM  

Popular Science is for Baby Boomers and Dr. Who fans.

Anonymous dh April 19, 2015 2:32 AM  

The awards have been given to an increasingly diverse variety of ambitious works, a trend that reached its peak in 2014, when for the first time the majority of the Hugo-winning works were not by white men, but rather by women or ethnic minorities

I don't think this is true either. Several of the years in the 90's were packed with women winners and nominees.

Blogger Thordaddy April 19, 2015 2:41 AM  

Vox...

You are not seeing charge #1 clearly.

Blogger Migly April 19, 2015 2:42 AM  

Many nominations have been declined in advance of the final ballot appearing. VanHelder should have said that no one has previously withdrawn a nominee after publication of the final ballot -- that is the unprecedented part.

Blogger Alexander April 19, 2015 2:55 AM  

Will do. It is outrageous the slander we are expected to put up with, an obviously it is many times mote beyond the pale for you.

Anonymous Art Majure April 19, 2015 2:56 AM  

Nice to see PopSci shine light the troll.

Blogger maniacprovost April 19, 2015 2:57 AM  

What is the deal with saying Vox supports the Taliban? I thought he was a racist fundie warmonger promulgating invasions for oil or something? The Taliban is literally the least popular group of people on Earth. Even child molesters get more slack in certain circles *coughsfwa*

Blogger IM2L844 April 19, 2015 3:02 AM  

"I don't think this is true either. Several of the years in the 90's were packed with women winners and nominees."

Right.

Percent of Hugo Nominees Who Are Male (1960 - 2015)

And

Female winners of Hugo awards

Anonymous Ain April 19, 2015 3:03 AM  

Journalism is dead. It's all hit pieces and bullshit.

Blogger The Original Hermit April 19, 2015 3:06 AM  

Vox was a member of Hitler youth in the 1930's, and eventually rose to be one of goebbels most trusted confidants. He was the lead bioengineer on the team that created aids, and is currently attempting to create super-aids in an attempt to finally eradicate all blacks, gays, and even the joos. He is on record for his love of torturing kittens, bunnies, puppies and babies. If we weren't so certain there isn't a God, we would probably be certain he is the anti Christ.

Blogger Eric April 19, 2015 3:15 AM  

What the hell happened to Popular Science? Did they look at declining circulation numbers and decide all they had to do to make money is to be more like Newsweek?

OpenID thenoisyrogue April 19, 2015 3:24 AM  

Weird, I can't open the link. It keeps sending me to the Australian version of the site, as I live in Australia, where the article doesn't exist. Tried searching on google as well, but no help there as it redirects again and comes up as an error. me thinks I am trapped in a giant conspiracy.

Blogger Cee April 19, 2015 3:28 AM  

The awards have been given to an increasingly diverse variety of ambitious works, a trend that reached its peak in 2014, when for the first time the majority of the Hugo-winning works were not by white men, but rather by women or ethnic minorities
Someone caption that chart with this.

Anonymous ticticboom April 19, 2015 3:43 AM  

Done. I cancelled my subscription a long time ago, when they turned into Politically Correct Science. Well, they'd probably been that a while but felt like didn't need to wear a mask anymore.

Blogger Noah B April 19, 2015 3:47 AM  

Done. Below too is a contact form for Bonnier Corporation, the parent company that owns PopSci.

http://www.bonniercorp.com/contact/

They would love to hear from you. It says so right there.

Anonymous Rico April 19, 2015 4:03 AM  

Emails sent. If I don't see a post on KotakuInAction soon I'll make one. There might need to be some Disrespectful Nodding if they do not recant.

Blogger Jay Lucas April 19, 2015 4:11 AM  

"What is the deal with saying Vox supports the Taliban?"

Well, the problem with taking things out of context or misrepresenting them is people can look them up and refute them. If you make accusations up out of thin air then they can't be refuted.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Yes, sure, it looks like pretend journalists have no consciences, but for all we know there are tiny anthropomorphic crickets in a teeny bar, drinking to numb what a terrible job they've done for these folks.

Blogger Noah B April 19, 2015 4:18 AM  

I have less and less tolerance for liars like this author. The phrase "stuffing the ballot box" conventionally refers to submitting ineligible votes. That isn't what happened.

What we did was called "voting."

OpenID jgmotek April 19, 2015 4:31 AM  

@Migly - Potential nominees are contacted before a public ballot is released and are asked whether they accept or refuse the nomination. Nominees who refuse the nomination never appear on the ballot and therefore have not withdrawn from it, so Mr VanHelder's statement is accurate that "No nominated author has ever before withdrawn their work after making it onto the Hugo ballot" and the semantics in statements #4 and 5 are incorrect. It is indeed unprecedented for an author to "withdraw" a work after accepting their nominations and appearing on the ballot.

Anonymous My Dead Gramps April 19, 2015 4:39 AM  

"Well, the problem with taking things out of context or misrepresenting them is people can look them up and refute them. If you make accusations up out of thin air then they can't be refuted."
It's rather telling that none of them ever have the nads to link any of Vox's original articles when quoting him.

Anonymous Thobby April 19, 2015 5:38 AM  

"Stories, authors, and editors promoted by the Puppies dominated this year’s nominations, thanks to voters mostly foreign to the Worldcon community, an invasion of virtual carpetbaggers."

But the Northern carpetbaggers, by definition, moved in only *after* the South had lost the Civil War. Is this an indication that Mr. VanHelder thinks his side was utterly defeated by Sad Puppies 2?

Anonymous 0007 April 19, 2015 5:43 AM  

04/30/2015 - Breaking News: Attorneys for Theodore Beale file $50 million libel suit
against Popular Science magazine and publisher
Bonnier Corporation
Story follows.

06/30/2016 - Breaking News: New owner of Popular Science magazine, Castalia
House, cleans house. New staff referred to only as
"Dread Ilk".
No story follows.

(We can dream, can't we?)

Blogger Jay Lucas April 19, 2015 5:52 AM  

Re: Noah B - "What we did was called "voting.""

Yeah, with your evil sneaky fake memberships you paid for... probably with blood money.

Refuge in Audacity ain't enough. They gotta build a Condo there.

Blogger JDC April 19, 2015 6:10 AM  

Sent an email to the editor. The unsubstantiated claims in this article have caused science to throw up in its mouth a little bit.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 19, 2015 6:13 AM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius April 19, 2015 6:15 AM  

Popular Science is to a science magazine, what a fat, greasy, old hippy (who still believes in Free Love) is to an Occupy rally coed.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera April 19, 2015 7:04 AM  

"""
06/30/2016 - Breaking News: New owner of Popular Science magazine, Castalia
House, cleans house. New staff referred to only as
"Dread Ilk".
No story follows.

(We can dream, can't we?)
"""

Actually, we do have the talent on tap to pull off that sort of operation. The Ilk could probably get a better popular science magazine up and running within a month, and that's being conservative.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera April 19, 2015 7:08 AM  

Only shortfall that comes to mind immediately is CAD artists to mock up exploded drawings of machine assemblies and such. But I'd imagine there's one or two of those lurking around here.

Anonymous RTaylor April 19, 2015 7:08 AM  

Done

Anonymous zen0 April 19, 2015 7:09 AM  

Jim C. Hines Blog

DETCON1 AND DIVERSITY


Detcon1 has gotten a lot of things right on that front. They established a Diversity Advisory Board, consisting of Muhammad A Ahmad, Anne Gray, Mark Oshiro, Kat Tanaka Okopnik, Mike VanHelder, Pablo Vazquez, and Sal Palland. They chose to honor a range of guests that acknowledges the broader scope of the genre. They established the FANtastic Detroit Fund to help provide free memberships to fans who might otherwise be unable to attend.

Anonymous FAILBOAT April 19, 2015 7:18 AM  

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-wages-of-female-education.html?m=1 the malala thing is obviously based on the last paragraph of this post. I can see how the writer reached the wrong conclusion, "scientifically justifiable" does not mean the same thing to you as it does to him, as your moral guidance is informed by the one true god of the bible, rather than what is "justified by science" as the libelous author lacks such a moral compass, it is easy to see how he could mistake your statement for support.

Blogger Vox April 19, 2015 7:38 AM  

It doesn't matter, FAILBOAT. An accurate description is not support. Nor did he bother contacting me to confirm such an outlandish and unlikely opinion.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus April 19, 2015 7:47 AM  

Lawsuits are indeed expensive and tricky, Vox, far be it it from me to tell you how to spend your money, but this is ridiculous.

Anonymous p-dawg April 19, 2015 7:48 AM  

@ Aeoli Pera: "The Ilk could probably get a better popular science magazine up and running within a month, and that's being conservative."

Well of course that's being conservative - if we were being liberal, we couldn't do it in a decade.

Blogger James Beech April 19, 2015 7:51 AM  

Wow. What is wrong with these people? Disgusting.

Blogger Nate April 19, 2015 8:06 AM  

Email sent.

And Vox.. you and Warpig are by no means the only GamerGaters that are also Rabid Puppies.

Blogger Nate April 19, 2015 8:16 AM  

I love how buying a membership and voting like everyone else.... is described as a procedural loophole.

Anonymous Laz April 19, 2015 8:37 AM  

I let my subscription lapse several years ago when the SWJ's took over. Email sent.

Blogger James Sullivan April 19, 2015 8:42 AM  

Just like yesterday, email sent.

No wonder the lefties enjoy this tactic. When you know who to send it to, it's so easy.

Blogger JACIII April 19, 2015 8:47 AM  

Sent. It's not even the malice that is so offensive, but the outright laziness required to not even do a modicum of research or take enough professional pride to turn in a product in even a half-assed workmanlike manner.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 19, 2015 8:49 AM  

It has been years since I seen a copy of PopSci. Do they still have pages of ads selling magic potions to induce women to spread their legs for desperate males?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 April 19, 2015 8:51 AM  

Card carrying evolutionists and Climate Changers; let's face it, this surprises no-one.

Accurate, honest, interesting and apolitical science conducted somewhere: now that would be shocking. Plasma model non expansionary non dark matter universe, open discussion on abiogenesis - now that would be shocking.

Hence, bleeding money in buckets. If you can bleed those hip pockets even drier go for it.

Anonymous Viidad April 19, 2015 8:59 AM  

"I've read Popular Science since I was a child.

I am a Sad Puppies voter in the Hugo awards. After years of lousy works being nominated (i.e. dreck such as "If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love"), I was glad to have a voice for a change.

So, tell me - what is up with Popular Science jumping on the anti-Puppies bandwagon with a verifiably false hit piece against Vox Day?

I've read the man for years and enjoyed his excellent analysis of technological and political themes from a non-mainstream perspective.

When you slam people with no understanding of their views, simply because they differ from you politically... that isn't science.

It's a witch hunt.

Shame on you for throwing us back to the Dark Ages. You've lost a fan."

Anonymous On time Fred April 19, 2015 9:08 AM  

All you have to do is a search of "suffrage" on this blog to determine that Mr. Day is against women's suffrage. He has argued against it in numerous posts saying among other things that women cannot be trusted to take the long view, that they are fascists, and that the country has become demonstrably worse off and with less freedoms because of women's suffrage.

Anonymous George April 19, 2015 9:13 AM  

I've learned a lot from Vox, but I may have learned just as much from the ridiculous and unfair reactions to Vox. Email sent.

Blogger Nate April 19, 2015 9:25 AM  

"He has argued against it in numerous posts saying among other things that women cannot be trusted to take the long view, that they are fascists, and that the country has become demonstrably worse off and with less freedoms because of women's suffrage."

The blog is 15 years old. He's argued all kinds of things... Including being both for and against ricardian freetrade depending on when the post was written.

Anonymous Steveo April 19, 2015 9:25 AM  

Email Done... I hope you get to go all gorignak on them.

Anonymous VoK April 19, 2015 9:28 AM  

@George, exactly.

Just watching how these "journalists" act and abuse their platforms speaks more than a thousand blogs like this one ever could.

Anonymous Tyrion April 19, 2015 9:29 AM  

I agree with the Popehat guys that Vox Day and John C. Wright are THE biggest fucktards on the interwebs today.

Vox Day is your average homophoblic peckerwood professional troll. Par for the course.

But John C. Wright banging his drum about "libel" ... ?

There's a reason why Wright is an EX-attorney, right?

Again, to paraphrase the Popehat guys, it's also why John C. Wright drove a Geo Metro back when we was somehow employed as a lawyer.

(But then again Wright is a guy who wrote 35 paragraphs on his blog to denounce fictional characters for their lesbianism. Even fictional characters must face Wright's Inquisition in his tiny safe bubble of homophobic SF, which as a Catholic guy is always so wonderful publicity for my religion).

Maybe Wright was the "libel guy" back at his firm? It explains why Wright used to dig half-eaten cheeseburgers out of McDonalds dumpsters to feed his family back when he was supposedly a practicing attorney. Hoping for his sake that extremist right-wing SF novels full of rambling incoherent plots pay enough to keep his family off EBT.

Blogger ScuzzaMan April 19, 2015 9:31 AM  

@On time Fred:

I did the search, and I found lots of discussion of the lack of evidence provided by people who represent female suffrage as inherently good in and of itself.

I did not find a statement such as you represented would be easily determined.

Do you think nobody notices that you simultaneously (A) claim that the evidence is obvious and easily found, while (B) not providing any?

Wanna try again?

Anonymous On time Fred April 19, 2015 9:33 AM  

Nate,
Point is to the post where Mr. Day argues in favor of women's suffrage.

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A April 19, 2015 9:35 AM  

Email sent to PopSci editors, and to Bonnier Corp's "Corporate" and "Diversity Best Practices" departments.

Thoroughly unsurprised by zen0's discovery of Mr VanHelder's association with convention "diversity" activities. Thanks, zen0!

Anonymous Sensei April 19, 2015 9:36 AM  

"The Ilk could probably get a better popular science magazine up and running within a month, and that's being conservative."

there an "unsafe" science/technology trends magazine or ezine of any sort active right now? Even Wired moved past Tired to Expired a few years back. Everything seems quite tame and politically correct at the moment, nothing that pushes the boundaries and grips the imagination; it's a niche that would probably be highly entertaining to fill, and potentially lucrative...

Anonymous mookie April 19, 2015 9:40 AM  

Mike VanHelder is a Philadelphia-based content producer and weird social facilitator. His favorite companion is Peri Brown, because he is but flesh. Find him on twitter as @yagathai.

Blogger James Sullivan April 19, 2015 9:44 AM  

Tyron said,

"Vox Day is your average homophoblic..."

Heh. You said homophob-lick.

Anonymous Harsh April 19, 2015 9:48 AM  

This post brought out the stupids in force. We need better trolls.

Anonymous Harsh April 19, 2015 9:58 AM  

I can see how the writer reached the wrong conclusion, "scientifically justifiable" does not mean the same thing to you as it does to him,

Which is exactly why the writer should have contacted Vox prior to writing the piece. It's a hatchet job, pure and simple.

Anonymous mookie April 19, 2015 9:58 AM  

http://www.popsci.com/masthead

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POPULAR SCIENCE STAFF, CONTRIBUTORS, AND OTHER TEAM MEMBERS

Editor-in-Chief Cliff Ransom
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Managing Editor Jill C. Shomer
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Anonymous Homesteader April 19, 2015 9:59 AM  

Tyrion:
Good boy. Your masters will be proud. Strong language and ad hominem-they've never been seen here before. We' re all clutching our Klan skirts in fear of your rapier-like insight into our peckerwood homophobic geo-metro ways. I will point out, though,
you forgot the part about living-in-our-parents -basement.( We encourage thoroughness here.)

E-mail sent to Bonnier, notifying them of their loss of a customer.

Lookinf forward to the sale of PopSci for $1 to Castalia House.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 19, 2015 10:00 AM  

"White soooopremacis" should be mocked as well as denied. Its horrible stupid rhetoric from basically hacks and frauds who cavort with non-white racial supremacists.

A couple of questions of this guy would reveal deep seated racial prejudices, but you have to actually ask them to describe their self described "intellectual" superiority instead of accepting their rhetoric.

If any of you gentle conservatives who respect the left would like to hear some racial prejudice ask a character like Tyrion to describe her/him/its racial theories or their political allies.

Blogger Nate April 19, 2015 10:06 AM  

"Point is to the post where Mr. Day argues in favor of women's suffrage."

This very post he states that he supports Direct Universal Democracy. He also stated the same in the interview off site

Anonymous Orville April 19, 2015 10:09 AM  

Email sent.

Anonymous Harsh April 19, 2015 10:12 AM  

non-white racial supremacists

Shhh, you keep saying stuff like that and you'll summon Thordaddy.

Anonymous Homesteader April 19, 2015 10:16 AM  

On Time Fred:

Why would any rational person argue IN FAVOR of the female franchise?

Hasn't the evidence condemned the experiment already?

In fact, a strong case could be made that a repeal of constitutional amendments 15, 19, 23, & 26 would be definitely indicated. I'd even include the 24th, just to be consistent. (I'd be willing to supply the wax paper for the literacy test. But then I'm giving that way.)

Universal suffrage has been a disaster across the board. Spare us your litmus-test trolling.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 19, 2015 10:18 AM  

Harsh - I thought the same thing yesterday. These trolls make some of the old trolls from years ago seem like geniuses.

Anonymous Stickwick April 19, 2015 10:18 AM  

Sent this to the editor: Dear Editor,

I read with dismay the article titled, "Culture Wars Rage Within Science Fiction Fandom" by Mike VanHelder. It is filled with mischaracterizations and outright lies, including, but not limited to:

- The Puppies stuffing the ballot box

This refers to the fraudulent practice of voting more times than is legally permitted. That is most certainly not what is taking place with the Puppies. All votes are legal and above-board.

- The mischaracterization of Vox Day as an outspoken white supremacist, campaigner against women's education and suffrage, and supporter of the Taliban's efforts to assassinate Malala Yousifazi.

Vox Day, who happens to be my editor at Castalia House, is none of these things. I have been reading his blog, Vox Popoli, for years, and have never seen anything to support these rather outrageous accusations. The fact that Vox is himself a minority would seem to disqualify him from being a white supremacist, and I'm frankly shocked that VanHelder failed to conduct the rudimentary research necessary to discover this. A search through Vox's blog should be sufficient to disprove the remaining accusations. Moreover, since Vox has never been hesitant to respond to direct questions, I'm baffled as to why VanHelder didn't simply contact Vox to substantiate these claims.

As a professional scientist, I am concerned by a declining lack of journalistic integrity and overall quality in what were once considered valuable and reputable science magazines such as yours. I strongly encourage you to take a step towards recovering that integrity and quality by retracting VanHelder's article and issuing a public apology for the mischaracterizations and lies.

Sincerely,

Dr. Sarah Salviander

Blogger john black April 19, 2015 10:20 AM  

"non-white racial supremacists

Shhh, you keep saying stuff like that and you'll summon Thordaddy."

Say white supremacy three times in front of a computer screen and throdaddy will appear to claw your brains out.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 19, 2015 10:21 AM  

They won't touch it. If you have something actionable that a lawsuit can potentially deal with you might as well do that as soon as you can.

Anonymous JRL April 19, 2015 10:31 AM  

Subscribe to popular mechanics instead. I always find an article or two of interest plus it's interesting to see what new tools and gadgets are out there.

Not too long ago a woman wrote in that she didn't feel included and she uses tools too! Editors politely told her tough luck.

Blogger bob k. mando April 19, 2015 10:47 AM  

On time Fred April 19, 2015 9:33 AM
Point is to the post where Mr. Day argues in favor of women's suffrage.



not arguing FOR suffrage /= campaigning AGAINST suffrage

dumbass.

Anonymous Stingray April 19, 2015 10:50 AM  

I support direct democracy for all, including women.

Why?

Blogger kurt9 April 19, 2015 10:54 AM  

Vox, If you are able to, you ought to sue them. This kind of shabby journalism is all too common today. There need to be consequences for it. Lawsuits are the appropriate consequences for this kind of journalism.

Anonymous Donn April 19, 2015 10:58 AM  

On time Fred writes like he's been drinking mimosas for breakfast. We need higher troll standards.

Blogger pyrrhus April 19, 2015 11:12 AM  

It's disappointing that PS would keep such a moron on the payroll, but the rot continues...

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A April 19, 2015 11:19 AM  

The current run of trolls appear to be some form of "Scientius Fetishistus". No doubt categorized and cataloged by Chuck Jones in his day.

Anonymous JRL April 19, 2015 11:41 AM  

Email sent.

Dear Editor -

The article "Culture Wars Rage Within Science Fiction Fandom - Unhappy Puppies" contains numerous inaccuracies, not least of which appear to be libelous characterization of Vox Day (a Native American with Mexican Heritage) as an "outspoken white supremacist".

Having read his blog for 10+ years, I have some insight on what his outspoken beliefs are and white supremacy is not among them.

How did Mike VanHelder decide that Vox Day is an outspoken white supremacist? Clearly he did not ask the man himself.

Please issue an apology and retraction.

Anonymous Steveo April 19, 2015 11:44 AM  

Perhaps a Magazine name change is in order:

Popular Social Science Magazine
Popular Science Justice Warriors Magazine
Popular Just-So Science Magazine
Popular Science & Stuff Magazine...

Just some food for thought.

Blogger rycamor April 19, 2015 11:45 AM  

Stingray April 19, 2015 10:50 AM

I support direct democracy for all, including women.

Why?


As I recall, Vox claimed at least it would be better than this faux-representative fiasco we have now, where a two-party system really becomes two wings of the same beast.

Blogger David April 19, 2015 11:47 AM  

Western societies have spent 150 years being steered by Leftist (collectivist) sentiments, turning in ever-tighter circles while intimidating all opposition into silence.

The left-steering loops have reached the point of absurdity, championing surgical self-mutilation (transgenderism), child-adult sex and celebrating each increasingly deviant behavior as it arises.

Now that a few voices are raised, saying, "Enough is enough, it's time to grab the helm and turn away from 'more left today than yesterday, more left tomorrow than today,'" the howls of outrage sound like the rants of psychotics.

Collectivists on the right and left can go take long walks on short piers.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 19, 2015 11:58 AM  

Since the rhetorical phrase "White supremacist" is meant as a slur I do believe it violates the laws in many countries. Now the ass clown is based in 1st Amendment land but I believe the corp does business in a good many countries with racial speech laws.

I mentioned that kind of law to some left leaning blogger who visits Canada and I believe he cleaned up his act since it would take a few complaints to make his visits less cordial. Would these countries enforce the law against the anti-whites, in general NO, but every Lefty has enemies in his/her own camp and it takes one having a bad day.

As for Thordaddy I believe his shtick is to place the term "white supremacist" into any thread so when it is googled people can look at it, see the loaded term showered thruout the thread and out of fear dismiss everything about it. No one even those putatively on "his side" understands what he is talking about.

Anonymous The other rabid robot April 19, 2015 12:18 PM  

I came across this comment in Arthur Chu's diatribe against the SPs and RPs:

The Know-Nothings’ reactionary zeal proved to be of little use in actually getting a monument built, and they totally failed to do anything with the monument for the next few decades until finally after the Civil War the government had to take over and fix it. (Funny, how often the story ends that way.)

Is Chu suggesting ...

(I was searching for his claim that Brad Torgersen married a black woman years ago to give himself cover for his racist views today, but did not find it.

However, I did find this:

Wright, a man so essential to the state of science fiction in 2015 that he doesn’t have a single bestseller,

Ahhh, so writing a bestseller is essential to winning a Hugo? I didn't know that.

Anonymous Mad (pissed off) Scientist April 19, 2015 12:32 PM  

Popular Science is to legit science periodicals is what Rolling Stone is to pop culture/music periodicals.

Anonymous James Beech April 19, 2015 12:35 PM  

Dear Editor:

I'm extremely disappointed in one of your recent articles written by Mike VanHelder. It was published on the 17th of April and titled: CULTURE WARS RAGE WITHIN SCIENCE FICTION FANDOM

The outright lies and libel in this article were unconscionable.

At best, Mr. VanHelder failed to do his homework and neglected to research the people he viciously attacked.

At worst, Mr. VanHelder knew that what he was writing was not just stretching the truth, but rather full into the territory of venomous falsehood. I say this because Mike VanHelder is obviously a member of the Science Fiction community. He served on an advisory board at Detcon1, the largest Science Fiction convention in Michigan.

Understand that your writer called a Native American/Hispanic man a "white supremacist" and insisted that this same individual was a campaigning activist trying to end women's suffrage and stop women from getting educations. Further, your writer actually said that Mr. Beale supports the Taliban. At this point, even when you publish a retraction and apology (much like Entertainment Weekly was forced to do), the damage is done. As Mr. VanHelder claims in his libelous article: the internet is forever.

In the event that you're taken aback by what's going on here, I'd like to try to clarify somewhat. This entire "culture war" in the community comes down to two groups. Each group wants different authors to win a prestige award known as the Hugo. As it happens, one set of authors got more votes.

There was no "ballot stuffing". Ballot stuffing is defined as a type of electoral fraud whereby a person entitled to one vote submits multiple ballots. This did not happen.

The article written by Mr. VanHelder was shoddy and vindictive. I have been a fan of Popular Science for years. My parents were a fan before me. I have never seen something so egregious and petty and wrong published by Popular Science before this.

Mr. VanHelder's personal vendettas are not appropriate for publication. This is not the way business should be conducted. And this is certainly not the way journalism should be done.

Sincerely,

James Beech

Anonymous roo_ster April 19, 2015 12:57 PM  

I wrote to all the email addresses thus far suggested in this post. The content was the following:

"Hello:

I write in response to Mike VanHelder's article titled "Culture Wars Rage Within Science Fiction Fandom." ( http://www.popsci.com/culture-wars-raging-within-science-fiction-fandom )

My concern is over many of Mr. VanHelder's unsubstantiated assertions, some of which are inaccurate regarding myself, and others which are likely libelous regarding others. Given the minimal effort required to confirm or refute his assertions and tone of his article, I think Mr. VanHelder's inaccuracies are not incidental or accidental, but deliberate and done with malice.

In his article Mr. VanHelder accuses me, as a first-time WorldCon member and Hugo award voter, of "stuffing the ballot box." On the contrary, I followed the rules, paid my money, and voted for the works I thought best. Many of my votes, but not all, coincided with works on the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies suggestions. I did not vote for works I had not read or those works I had read that were not worthy of my vote due to quality.

Mr. VanHelder also makes potentially libelous accusations against author Vox Day. I will not repeat them, as they are distasteful and scurrilous. I will only direct you to the aforementioned article and read for yourself. Having read quite a bit of Vox day's writing, I found no evidence substantiating those allegations and considerable evidence disproving them.

If I (as a non-journlaist) can easily unearth data contrary to Mr. VanHelder's accusations, surely he (as a journalist with a byline writing for a print and electronic publication) has the capability to do so?

I would strongly suggest that Popular Science retract the accusations made by Mr. VanHelder in the interests of integrity and dispassionate inquiry.

Regards,

roo_ster"

Blogger Blume April 19, 2015 1:08 PM  

David, vox is calling.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 19, 2015 1:09 PM  

I think Popular Science should go full Latin at this point and rename themselves Vulgar Science.

Well of course that's being conservative - if we were being liberal, we couldn't do it in a decade.

If we were being liberal, we could ever do it - we'd have to take over something created by conservatives.

I support direct democracy for all, including women.

Why?


I'll point out that in states with popular initiative processes, conservative initiatives tend to do a lot better than conservative politicians. Not perfect mind you, but better. Women are still prone to vote security over liberty, but the biggest problem is letting 'em pick who to give authority to. As a sex, they're terrible at that. Really, really terrible.

Blogger Da Curly Wolf April 19, 2015 1:24 PM  

Well I see another major publication just stuck it's [choose an appendage/extremity to suit yourself] in a meat grinder.

Blogger Noah B April 19, 2015 1:42 PM  

"Yeah, with your evil sneaky fake memberships you paid for... probably with blood money."

I should have paid for it with blood money. Maybe next time.

Blogger RobertT April 19, 2015 2:26 PM  

Journalism is dead. It's all hit pieces and bullshit.

I used to fee this way, but honestly, it's basically about the same as it's always been. Read a Benjamin Franklin bio, or something about politics in post Revolutionary War America. But for some reason, people expect them to be even handed and fair, despite the fact they've never been.

Blogger RobertT April 19, 2015 2:31 PM  

Popular Science was never high on my list of anything. What I wonder about is, with all the other magazines (Life) going broke, how has Popular Science managed to survive all this time? A little SJW behavior should tank them relatively quickly.

Blogger RobertT April 19, 2015 2:33 PM  

"What is the deal with saying Vox supports the Taliban?"

Is that all that got your attention?

Blogger RobertT April 19, 2015 2:36 PM  

It's rather telling that none of them ever have the nads to link any of Vox's original articles when quoting him.

This deserves a second go around.

Blogger automatthew April 19, 2015 2:46 PM  

Stingray:

With representative democracy, the women are voting to elect men. The problem there is obvious and much discussed.

With direct democracy, women vote on individual issues.

* May we spend your family's money to support crack whores?
* May we spend your family's money to import Somalians?
* May we spend your family's money to pee on Jesus?
* May we spend your family's money to pee on the Koran?
* May we lower the speed limit so that you will get pulled over more often?
* May we force you to bake cakes for degenerates?
* May we have your guns, please?

Blogger RobertT April 19, 2015 2:53 PM  

Lawsuits are indeed expensive and tricky, Vox, far be it it from me to tell you how to spend your money, but this is ridiculous.

Until you've had this happen to you, you have no idea how irritated it can make you. Most of the people who read this will never read the retraction. So the damage is done and irreversible. Never-the-less I don't think Vox does anything lightly. He didn't threaten a lawsuit, but I've never seen him back down either.

Blogger ScuzzaMan April 19, 2015 2:54 PM  

@Mr A is Mr A:

From a recent email doing the rounds, a survey of 9 year olds gleaned this magical moment:

Q: What do you call the science of cataloging living thing?

A: Racism.

Blogger John David Galt April 19, 2015 3:00 PM  

I disagree on one point: GamerGate (or at least some of us who support it) is anti-feminist. But only because "feminists" no longer support equal rights. Women got equal rights in 1970 but their movement, like the NAACP before them, didn't stop grabbing whatever power they could. This is why reasonable people don't support them anymore.

As for the libel suit -- You may have a case, but filing suit is still probably counterproductive. For the explanation of why, search Wikipedia for "Streisand Effect".

Anonymous Jack Amok April 19, 2015 3:10 PM  

with all the other magazines (Life) going broke, how has Popular Science managed to survive all this time? A little SJW behavior should tank them relatively quickly.

It's wouldn't suprise me to discover they've been getting some Soros money, and possibly tax dollars funnelled their way somehow too. .

@automatthew,

Good explanation of how women would make better decisions under direct democracy than representative government. Personally I'm in favor of representative government with a significantly restricted franchise, but it won't come about peacefully. Vox's idea could (though at this point I figure we're guaranteed some level of sorrow regardless).

Blogger Nate April 19, 2015 3:11 PM  

"I support direct democracy for all, including women.

Why?"

I don't know if you've noticed.... but state wide referendums tend to fall far to the right side of things. IF they didn't.... they wouldn't have to be overturned in the courts so often.

Anonymous Bob April 19, 2015 3:15 PM  

Hmmm..

I just tried to e-mail Popular Science and their comments page is unresponsive. Have they shut it down , perhaps because of all the "negative" comments from the ilk and others?

Blogger Markku April 19, 2015 3:17 PM  

In this case, we want the Streisand Effect. Publicity has been SO good...

I think what's going on here is that Vox knows what will happen next. These will be used as sources in Wikipedia. And that will cause problems for the company. So, this needs to be nipped at the bud.

But as for attention, we want it. We probably would PAY for it.

Blogger Marc DuQuesne April 19, 2015 3:18 PM  

As for the libel suit -- You may have a case, but filing suit is still probably counterproductive. For the explanation of why, search Wikipedia for "Streisand Effect".

That only has bearing if you want to cover up the truth. The truth is what proves Vox Innocent of their libel.

Blogger automatthew April 19, 2015 3:19 PM  

Jack Amok: "Personally I'm in favor of representative government with a significantly restricted franchise, but it won't come about peacefully."

After reading Hoppe's Democracy: The God That Failed and Rothbard's history of economic thought before Smith, I've become a reactionary monarchist. Not a papist, though, so I'm not sure whether Mr. Wheeler will accept me on his team.

Blogger automatthew April 19, 2015 3:22 PM  

A young man who wishes to remain a sound libertarian cannot be too careful of his reading.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus April 19, 2015 3:26 PM  

"Until you've had this happen to you, you have no idea how irritated it can make you."

Sorry, I should have been more clear: My resources are a no doubt a small fraction of Vox's...but I absolutely *would* find the money to file suit in this case. This is ridiculous that an outlet such as PopSci thinks that libel is acceptable practice. SJW's act as if libel and slander laws do not apply to them.

I agree that damage has been done, defamation has occurred.

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A April 19, 2015 3:30 PM  

ScuzzaMan
From a recent email doing the rounds, a survey of 9 year olds gleaned this magical moment:

Q: What do you call the science of cataloging living thing?
A: Racism.


It would not surprise me in the least if that actually *was* in Common Core. Chuck Jones' productions would be more science-based and true-to-life as an educational tool: Ready, Set, ZOOM!

Anonymous Moon_Jump April 19, 2015 3:36 PM  

Email sent

It astounds me to think this is the level of journalism today, as it would have had my ass handed to me in college even 10 years ago. Do they just through all standard practices out the window when you hit the big leagues, or are engineers just that much better at journalists' jobs?

Anonymous DeepThought April 19, 2015 3:44 PM  

@ Tyrion

Your attempt at sounding educated fails. Spell Check IS FREE. I have included a link to a FREE site that should improve your writing and at least provide a facade to cover your lack of education.

http://www.reverso.net/spell-checker/english-spelling-grammar/

Anonymous tiredofitall April 19, 2015 3:48 PM  

"As for the libel suit -- You may have a case, but filing suit is still probably counterproductive. For the explanation of why, search Wikipedia for "Streisand Effect"." - John David Galt

Oh, you must be new here.

Unlike Ms. Streisand, Vox would love people to look at the shitshow the reporters write about him and SP/RP. The more eyeballs that see how leftism infects and ruins everything it touches only proves Vox's positions, and shows people who otherwise would write it off as sour grape whining from Vox will see how these folks slander decent people for page clicks.

Anonymous Fred on time April 19, 2015 3:49 PM  

How funny would it be to see Mr. Day try to defend the proposition that He has never campaigned against women's suffrage. The reading out loud of his written positions in court would get any suit he filed dismissed in a White Supremist Minute.

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A April 19, 2015 3:51 PM  

"Markku April 19, 2015 3:17 PM

In this case, we want the Streisand Effect. Publicity has been SO good...

I think what's going on here is that Vox knows what will happen next. These will be used as sources in Wikipedia. And that will cause problems for the company. So, this needs to be nipped at the bud.

But as for attention, we want it. We probably would PAY for it."


And the SJWs are *SO* willing to provide their attention to Vox and Castalia House!

Do the SJWs realize that every time that one of these articles pops up, more people who had never heard of the Hugos, Gamergate, Vox Day, or the ongoing Culture War tune in to see what is going on? Do the news outlets and click-bait sites realize that a little more of their eroding credibility is flushed down the sewer with each hit piece, and the tool they use is blunting rapidly?

Even if they do realize it, I doubt they could stop themselves at this point; they are on autopilot and raving out of control. National news and congressional hearings are up next, I have no doubt. The Sorting is going into full-swing now.

So *very* worth the price of admission.

Blogger ajw308 April 19, 2015 3:59 PM  

Let's see if Popular Science is self correcting.

I'll get some e-mails sent when I get to a PC.

Blogger John Wright April 19, 2015 4:35 PM  

@ automatthew

"After reading Hoppe's Democracy: The God That Failed and Rothbard's history of economic thought before Smith, I've become a reactionary monarchist. Not a papist, though, so I'm not sure whether Mr. Wheeler will accept me on his team."

As a Papist myself, I am authorized to extend you our warmest welcome. Anyone may join our team. But be warned, we are after your soul. We want to impose infinite love and endless joy on you, heal your sickness, sooth your sorrow, and give you a crown of gold and warrior angels streaming in their myriads at your call.

All you need give up is your beloved and lovely sins, which are killing you. It is a hard bargain, and hard to do, but you will receive divine aid.

And you get to eat the maker of the universe weekly or daily, or drink His blood, which is kind of cool.

Blogger Da Curly Wolf April 19, 2015 4:39 PM  

ajw308 spaketh "Let's see if Popular Science is self correcting."

Well it's the weekend so if they do...it won't be til sometime in the week, probably the middle of the week at the earliest
but...we shall see

Blogger Vox April 19, 2015 5:01 PM  

How funny would it be to see Mr. Day try to defend the proposition that He has never campaigned against women's suffrage.

It would be very easy to demonstrate. Writing the occasional blog post is not a campaign. Campaigning is an actual activity, one in which I have simply not engaged.

Furthermore, my support for direct democracy alone is sufficient to dismiss the charge. The fact that I oppose some forms of female suffrage does not mean I oppose all of them. In fact, you almost surely oppose some forms of them yourself too.

Anonymous tiredofitall April 19, 2015 5:05 PM  

"How funny would it be to see Mr. Day try to defend the proposition that He has never campaigned against women's suffrage. The reading out loud of his written positions in court would get any suit he filed dismissed in a White Supremist Minute." - Fred on time

Okay genius, I'm calling you out on this one. Show me a link where Vox ever "campaigned" against women's suffrage.

Reminding you expressing an opinion isn't the same as campaigning. So, either cough up the relevant links or drop the subject.

Blogger Raghnall Ó Mordha April 19, 2015 5:06 PM  

I have added my voice to the chorus.

Anonymous joe camel April 19, 2015 5:08 PM  

This is the same magazine which hired a crappy editor in 1989 to eliminated Smokey Yunick's column, then, about a decade later, hired Dawn Stover/Cecilia Wessner to turn it from a magazine into a skinny pamphlet-size publication of less than half the normal monthly magazine size of about 200 odd pages, then kicked off the 2010's by dumping climate change discussion from their forum after getting their asses handed to them by more knowledgeable readers. Now, they hire bloggers to run hit pieces on SFF authors instead of writing about things like NASA, the Pentagon, anthropology/archaeology, computer/electronics, automotive changes, construction industry, medical industry, home workshop projects, new scientific discoveries in fields like evolutionary biology, for instance, comparison tests for new products/hardware/vehicles, any of that ring a bell to them? The eras of Humphries and Gilmore seem like a golden age compared to what happened to this magazine from the end of the eighties til now.

Blogger automatthew April 19, 2015 5:12 PM  

JCW:
As a Papist myself, I am authorized to extend you our warmest welcome. Anyone may join our team. But be warned, we are after your soul. We want to impose infinite love and endless joy on you, heal your sickness, sooth your sorrow, and give you a crown of gold and warrior angels streaming in their myriads at your call.


Dear Mr. Wright,

I thank you for the warm and inviting welcome. You are one of my top 3 living Roman Catholic SF writers. No prizes for guessing who the other two are. Among the no-longer-dead are GKC and R. A. Lafferty.

As best I can figure, Christ invited us to join a caravan, not to establish a commissary. The rewards Rome offers are pearls without price, but I judge they are properly the property of all the out-called who are called The Anointed. Wherever two or three gather in His name ... well, my wife and my son and I make three without even opening my door.

Blogger automatthew April 19, 2015 5:13 PM  

In fact, you almost surely oppose some forms of them yourself too.

Snick, goes the setting of the trap.

Blogger Thordaddy April 19, 2015 5:22 PM  

mr mantra man... Total BS. Apparently, you're too dimwitted to understand that getting one to publicly disavow objective Supremacy renders one a de facto "Equalist" AND anti-Christian.

Anonymous Harsh April 19, 2015 6:01 PM  

How funny would it be to see Mr. Day try to defend the proposition that He has never campaigned against women's suffrage. The reading out loud of his written positions in court would get any suit he filed dismissed in a White Supremist Minute.

Actually it would likely strengthen his position considerably because he's never advocated or done any of the things the hit piece suggested, despite your little fantasy to the contrary.

Anonymous Harsh April 19, 2015 6:02 PM  

Apparently, you're too dimwitted to understand that getting one to publicly disavow objective Supremacy renders one a de facto "Equalist" AND anti-Christian.

Huh?

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 19, 2015 6:04 PM  

Vix will clarify his pisition if he feels like it. This is my understanding, of his opinion of women suffrage: against women voting under the current system in these uSA. But, Vox advocates for dirdct democracy, where everyone votes on any and all issues and women are part of the evereyone that votes.

Blogger Thordaddy April 19, 2015 6:04 PM  

Harsh...

You're not a high IQ "white" male. Don't worry about it.

Anonymous Fred on time April 19, 2015 6:23 PM  

"Writing the occasional blog post is not a campaign. Campaigning is an actual activity, one in which I have simply not engaged."

Pedantics!

Anonymous Fred in time April 19, 2015 6:30 PM  

"Actually it would likely strengthen his position considerably because he's never advocated or done any of the things the hit piece suggested, despite your little fantasy to the contrary."

Would it be hilarious when the defense attorney asked, "Mr. Beale can you explain how 'women make everything worse?' "

Blogger Salt April 19, 2015 6:49 PM  

Would it be hilarious when the defense attorney asked, "Mr. Beale can you explain how 'women make everything worse?' "

"I hope you won't take it personally," Beale said. "How shall I begin? Where should I start? Antiquity perhaps? Late 1800s? I notice the ring you're wearing. Was once an all male fraternity, wasn't it?"

OpenID standingagainsttheworld April 19, 2015 6:50 PM  

@Vox

''Furthermore, my support for direct democracy alone is sufficient to dismiss the charge. The fact that I oppose some forms of female suffrage does not mean I oppose all of them. In fact, you almost surely oppose some forms of them yourself too.''

How will women's suffrage work in some circumstances considering their voting patterns?



Anonymous tiredofitall April 19, 2015 7:44 PM  

Writing the occasional blog post is not a campaign. Campaigning is an actual activity, one in which I have simply not engaged.

"Pedantics!" - Fred on time

Nope, you chose your phrasing and word choice, It's not my fault you're not smart enough to say what you mean.

Blogger James Dixon April 19, 2015 9:14 PM  

Letter calling it a hit story written. So Vox, still trying for Scientific American; or is the trifecta of EW, PC Mag, and Pop. Sci. good enough?

Blogger S1AL April 19, 2015 9:15 PM  

"How will women's suffrage work in some circumstances considering their voting patterns?"

Well, if there are no candidates...

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 19, 2015 9:48 PM  

"The phrase "stuffing the ballot box" conventionally refers to submitting ineligible votes. That isn't what happened."

I thought trying to fight that was racist.

" with blood money." ~ Are the SJW so poor that they have to sell their blood to buy tickets? Even tranny crack hoes can afford $40

"that every time that one of these articles pops up, more people ...see what is going on?"

We probably shouldn't put that kind of stuff up in case the dwarf that pays for sex is reading to find out what is next.

Anonymous zen0 April 19, 2015 9:52 PM  

@ Fred on Time

Would it be hilarious when the defense attorney asked, "Mr. Beale can you explain how 'women make everything worse?' "

The real quote would be revealed as "women ruin everything" and it would be correctly attributed to the nationally syndicated Sports Guy, Bill Simmons.

(This harkens back to a little-known rule in Hollywood: "If you're writing a sports movie, make sure that wives and girlfriends make our hero as miserable as possible, stand in his way, make him question himself and basically suck the life out of him." Call it the Adrian Balboa Complex. I'd throw in the old standby line here -- "The lesson here, as always: Women ruin everything" -- but it's a little more complicated than that.

--- Bill Simmons

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020418

No I am not going to HTML it for you, Ass Jockey.

So, in a manner of speaking," fuk yu, G.I."



(Apocalypse Now reference.... because you would not get it if I did not tell you, being a cultural moron and all.....)

Blogger Mark April 19, 2015 9:52 PM  

Emails sent. Can we start crowdfunding the legal costs to go after these libelous bastards? Seriously.

Anonymous zen0 April 19, 2015 10:21 PM  

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A massive influx of refugees from Libya, where ISIS extremists have been gaining ground, can be halted or at least reduced by extending “targeted ant-terrorist strikes” into the coastal area, said the Italian FM.

OpenID Skipper50 April 19, 2015 10:49 PM  

Cancelled my subscription some months ago just because of its political biases. Wish I had waited until now.

Anonymous Harsh April 19, 2015 11:08 PM  

Harsh...

You're not a high IQ "white" male. Don't worry about it.


Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment, Thorgirly.

Blogger andon April 20, 2015 12:08 AM  

Please explain your more nuanced views of suffrage and women's role in it, thanks.

Anonymous Laz April 20, 2015 12:11 AM  

zen0: "(Apocalypse Now reference.... because you would not get it if I did not tell you, being a cultural moron and all.....)"

LOL! This reminds me of an azzhat of a manager I had several years ago. I knew it wasn't going to go good when, on the first day, I made a Luke Skywalker reference and he looked at me and asked "Who?". 38 years old and had no clue what Star Wars was about. The whole shop was flabbergasted.

Anonymous Anonymous April 20, 2015 12:48 AM  

When bad people have to tell blatantly false and malicious lies about you, take it as proof that you are on the right path.

OpenID cailcorishev April 20, 2015 3:19 AM  

Please explain your more nuanced views of suffrage and women's role in it, thanks.


"Lemme see them pearls," said the pig.

Blogger John Greene April 20, 2015 8:36 AM  

Great comments! Go, Vox!

Anonymous patrick kelly April 20, 2015 12:12 PM  

@Stingray "I support direct democracy for all, including women.

Why?"

I suspect black knighting, which will require a convincing denial......

Anonymous Anonymous April 20, 2015 4:19 PM  

I'm sure this will be deleted per the notice above, but I heard a similar story on WAMU 88.5 Sunday afternoon somewhere between 3-4 pm. Not sure when. Didn't pay much attention to it but it referenced the same subject matter. Not sure of the show's name.

Blogger Michael Maier April 20, 2015 10:21 PM  

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Blogger Michael Maier April 20, 2015 10:22 PM  


Laz April 20, 2015 12:11 AM

LOL! This reminds me of an azzhat of a manager I had several years ago. I knew it wasn't going to go good when, on the first day, I made a Luke Skywalker reference and he looked at me and asked "Who?". 38 years old and had no clue what Star Wars was about. The whole shop was flabbergasted.


A few years ago I mentioned Nazis at work and the resident ditz said "They were bad, right?"

Blogger Thordaddy April 21, 2015 5:34 PM  

Harsh...

A few equations for the nerds.

Objective Supremacy = The Perfect Man

The Perfect Man = Jesus Christ

Christians worship The Perfect Man. Ergo, Christian worships objective Supremacy. Double ergo, Christians ARE Supremacists...

Vox = Christian

Vox worships objective Supremacy.

Vox = Supremacist

Vox = some kind of "supremacist."

Such that, Vox's first objection (and most important one IMHO) is false in the Truest sense, BUT only "true" in the LIBERATED interpretation of the term(s) that "we" concern ourselves with.

Blogger Cantus April 22, 2015 1:01 PM  

Vox,

I'm a first time commenter. I'd like you to clarify point 5) for me. A certain left-leaning writer linked to this piece as proof that you at the least thought that the Taliban's attack on Ms. Yousafsai was justifiable:

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/the-wages-of-female-education.html

The post is by a person going by the pseudonym "Vox", but I do not know for sure that it is you. If it *is* you, though, how do you justify the assertion that you've "never gone on the record as supporting the Taliban's attempt on her life"? Are you arguing that an action being "scientifically justifiable" does not amount to supporting it? At the very least, arguing that their actions are rational and justifiable provides them with a veneer of respectability. Basically, I'm asking you to unpack your words (if they are indeed your words, if they are not then I apologise) from that linked post, and to explain what you mean by them. I am not doing this out of a love of liberalism (not at all), but rather because I want to follow Truth, and while I dislike the politics of this person I am not going to deny that X is X just because it happens to suit me.

Thank you for your time.

Anonymous Jon H June 09, 2015 11:42 PM  

"I am not against women's suffrage. I support direct democracy for all, including women.
I am not on the record supporting the Taliban's attempt to assassinate Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousifazi. This is an absolutely outrageous accusation and utterly false."

You're so full of shit, Beale. You know these things are true. Also, you *are* a white supremacist you fuck.

Anonymous Jon H June 09, 2015 11:44 PM  

Anonymous wrote at 142: "When bad people have to tell blatantly false and malicious lies about you, take it as proof that you are on the right path."

The bad person telling lies about Vox Day is Vox Day, who is all the things he denies being, above.

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