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Thursday, April 16, 2015

Accepted

An apology:
Marko Kloos, on April 16, 2015 at 1:32 am said:
On reflection: I apologize to Vox Day for calling him a shitbag. I loathe his politics and race diatribes, disagree with his theology, and have absolutely nothing in common with him philosophically, but there’s no reason to get uncivil and resort to name-calling.
It's worth noting for the record that this marks the first apology I have ever received from an author in the science fiction community since my nationally syndicated op/ed column first came to the attention of Teresa Nielsen Hayden in March 2005.

There are many on the left who believe the mere fact that my beliefs exist and I dare to openly express them comprise a sufficient provocation in themselves, but it is as ridiculous to claim that being scientifically literate, historically aware, and logically correct can justify uncivility and name-calling as it would be to insist that I have the right to attack others in a vulgar manner simply because they happen to subscribe to Keynesian economics or advocate gun control.

So, rather than concerning yourself with the minutiae of Mr. Kloos's apology or his decision to withdraw his nomination, reflect upon the difference between his actions and the actions of those with whom he makes his philosophical home. It took him less than four hours to do what many others have not done in more than ten years. So don't hold it against him. I certainly won't.

On an unfortunately tangential note, two more people have responded to Glenn Hauman's call for posting fake reviews on Amazon. Jeromy Stone has posted a fake review of Mr. Wright's AWAKE IN THE NIGHT LAND, of all things:
One Star
By jeromy stone on April 15, 2015
Format: Hardcover
trash
You know the drill. Report for Abuse and Inappropriate Content. The more strongly we respond to these attacks, the more likely it is that Amazon will eventually step in and do something serious about it.
Ugggggggh!
on April 15, 2015
Format: Kindle Edition
Wow. Call me underwhelmed. If you like purple prose, this is the book for you. Bad writing plus bad editing makes for a bad book. Don't waste your money on this dog.
As phangirl is a fan of Jim C. Hines, I ask Mr. Hines to make a statement to his readers concerning his opinion of posting fake one-star reviews of other authors' works on Amazon. I have no doubt that Mr. Hines opposes the practice, out of sheer common sense if nothing else, and I hope that he will see fit to tell phangirl and his other fans to cease and desist such antics. Meanwhile, Mark Rogers has posted a fake review of RIDING THE RED HORSE, as well as of three other Castalia House works all of them today.
One Star
By Mark Rogers on April 16, 2015
Format: Kindle Edition
Hateful drivel. Nazis will love it
I'm contacting Amazon today to ask them to investigate Glenn Hauman's call for fake reviews. It is readily apparent that his malicious attempt to harm Castalia House's business is having real and material effects on our book reviews and I note there is legal precedent in the UK addressing compensation for such activities. My personal opinion is that Amazon should not permit authors who post fake reviews or encourage others to do so to sell their books on Amazon. It will be interesting to learn Amazon's opinion of the matter, considering that they recently sued some companies that provide fake reviews.

Here are five more posted yesterday by J. Carnell of Edinburgh, Scotland.

Hauman can disingenuously attempt to deny whatever he likes, but the fact is that he made the call and a number of fake reviewers promptly responded by posting fake reviews. It should be a simple manner to show that all of the fake reviewers read his call and responded to it, especially since at least one of those fake reviewers writes for the same site upon which he posted it.

So, Mr. Hauman, if you send me an email admitting that you called for fake reviews to be posted, apologizing for doing so, and asking both Amazon and your readers to take down the fake reviews posted after your piece entitled What Do You Do To Rabid Puppies? (Answer Below.), I will post it here, and the matter will be considered closed as soon as the fake reviews come down.

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75 Comments:

Anonymous Steve April 16, 2015 4:08 AM  

Case Kloosed.

Blogger Hd Hammer April 16, 2015 4:10 AM  

Well here's an idea, with all these authors withdrawing, maybe #SadPuppies should put all the pink SFF they don't want to see winning on the slate next year.

Anonymous Sensei April 16, 2015 4:29 AM  

"...Captain Needa"

Anonymous Sparx401 April 16, 2015 4:29 AM  

It took him less than four hours to do what many others have not done in more than ten years. So don't hold it against him. I certainly won't.

You know, one of the things I like about this blog is how Christian theology/ethics is manifested and played out.

Blogger JP April 16, 2015 4:41 AM  

Now if only he could admit that "diatribes" isn't an accurate description of your writings.

Anonymous Strange Aeons April 16, 2015 4:45 AM  

He may find this of little or no comfort in the event he is a recipient of lagomorphic outrage from the rest of the warren at this relative display of civility towards The Other, but I'd say Mr. Kloos deserves a respectful tip of the hat for his apology.

Anonymous kh123 April 16, 2015 5:06 AM  

Can see some of Vox' reasoning on this. Definitely admire the spirit of it.

But am finding myself agreeing with Bob on this one for now.

Am sure even Paul had to deal with a bit of fallout well after Damascus. From those he preached to, but who remembered him as Saul. Trust is a tough thing to come by, and is a long term project.

Blogger ScuzzaMan April 16, 2015 5:39 AM  

We live in a time when it is no longer abhorrent to talk openly about book-burning. As the German poet Heinrich Heine wrote, when they burn books they will also soon burn people.

Thus my objection to Mr Kloos' walk-back is not that I hold his original insults against him. I don't. I've never met him but I suspect in person I might quite appreciate him, albeit I'd disagree vehemently with some of his philosophy. It is that he is a willing and conscious part of a regressive withdrawal from the ideals of liberal civility and reason that once made the West worthy of the term "civilisation."

They have consciously abandoned all we have painstakingly learned. In spite of the content of their own arguments when they were a minority, they now feel entitled, on the strength of their conviction of their own unquestionable correctness, allied to their present political hegemony, to shun, vilify, demonise, silence, and persecute, all and any dissenters. Thus they have turned all they once disavowed and condemned into their favoured weapons of command and control. Of hegemonic maintenance. The end of this path is, categorically, the burning of people. That we haven't yet reached the end is irrelevant.

And speaking of that conviction of unquestionable correctness, it is perhaps the most glaring weakness of their position that those who listen carefully to their arguments begin to suspect that their vicious vehemence springs not from the strong conviction they affect in public, but from the secret fear that they might, after all, be horribly wrong. That it might not be OK to do in self-righteous dudgeon what we assume all others do only in venal self promotion. That it might not be good and proper to adopt all the weapons of oppression which we denounce when used by any but ourselves, or when used on ourselves.

That, after all, an act might be best characterised as evil based purely on its demonstrable consequences in the real world, and not on the self-proclaimed motives of the actor. (Because people never lie, do they?)

So, while I welcome and applaud Mr Kloos' return to civility if not reason, I remain deeply skeptical. If, for example, Mr Kloos had the power to impose his emotional outbursts on others by force, as some people do, Mr Beale might be already dead.

How much would his apology be worth then?

I do not hold that lacking the power to immediately gratify our evil impulses constitutes a virtue.

Blogger Bob April 16, 2015 5:43 AM  

Do you have a link to the apology?

Blogger Hd Hammer April 16, 2015 5:51 AM  

Just swell, now Amazon deleted my comment on jerome stone's fake review. Perhaps because I asked whether Amazon could ban fake reviews? They don't like criticism?

Blogger Markku April 16, 2015 5:53 AM  

Bob, it's a comment in this comment thread. Do ctrl+f for "I apologize to Vox Day for"

Blogger Bob April 16, 2015 6:01 AM  

Markku: Thanks!

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 16, 2015 6:07 AM  

How exactly are these fake reviews being identified?

And for the blog: on the image capture, I'm unable to scroll to enter my choices either on Chrome desktop nor Chrome mobile in desktop mode. Web mode is fine.

Blogger Markku April 16, 2015 6:16 AM  

Well, usually these fake reviewers do something really stupid. Consider for example that the Awake reviewer claimed to be reviewing hardcover. It costs 25$. The Kindle edition costs 5$. Very few hardcovers get sold, it's just the true collectors. We basically only make them because otherwise we get pestered constantly.

So, this person buys a hardcover edition that costs FIVE times as much, and then reviews it with "trash"? Just after a call for fake reviews?

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 16, 2015 6:21 AM  

Gracious response to accept.

K's apology is insufficient.

"I am sorry" and a "mea culpa," attached would be more complete but if that is his best, its accepted.

Blogger Markku April 16, 2015 6:30 AM  

Now, as for phangirl, it is less obvious. But it's a Kindle edition without "verified purchase". You know how that happens? The customer buys at castaliahouse.com and then reviews at Amazon. It's obvious why our regular customers do that - they want us to get a larger cut of the revenue. But would someone who obviously comes from a hostile point of view to begin with really do that? And again, just after a call for fake reviews? No, the average customer who is not a superfan would purchase at Amazon and it would automatically show as verified.

Blogger Jim April 16, 2015 6:56 AM  

"Now, as for phangirl, it is less obvious."

More obvious, as every single one of her reviews is a verified purchase... except that one.

Blogger Hd Hammer April 16, 2015 7:02 AM  

So now both my comments on the fake reviews at Amazon have been deleted. Happened to anyone else here? Something going on at Amazon?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 16, 2015 7:03 AM  

Kloos is full of horseshit, he listens and applauds race diatribes everyday, as for theology he wouldn't say boo to a fundie from any other religion.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 April 16, 2015 7:11 AM  

I wonder if he were on dialysis and you were offering him a kidney the same deal would apply? Too precious to benefit from your patronage?
SJWs will burn down a house they can't own. Extrapolate into nations and you now understand politics.




Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 16, 2015 7:28 AM  

SJWs the last gasp of white supremacy where they pretend to speak universal truths thru the media megaphone all the while the political coalition they currently ride gives not even two shits for any of it.

Anonymous Feh April 16, 2015 7:40 AM  

I thought about buying something from Kloos because Correia recommended it, but now there's no chance.

Blogger IM2L844 April 16, 2015 7:53 AM  

While it's true that I don't hang on Vox's every word and it's entirely possible that I may have missed it, I have been checking in fairly regularly for the past 6 years and I am unaware of any "race diatribe" by Vox. If one actually exists I should very much like to read it and would appreciate it if anyone could direct me to it.

It is my hope that every self-deluded SJW follow Mr. Kloos' example and withdraw their nomination from consideration in the Hugo popularity contest.

Anonymous Difster April 16, 2015 7:55 AM  

Big of him to apologize. Of course he's still wrong about your 'racist diatribes' but hey, it's a start right?

Also, fake reviews reported.

Anonymous Strange Aeons April 16, 2015 7:59 AM  

Reported.

Idiot SJWs think they are the pinnacle of judging good writing but don't have enough creativity to compose even the most rudimentary fake book review.

UGG! BOOK BAD! U NO BUY!

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 16, 2015 8:08 AM  

Marko Kloos: "I’m pulling out of the Hugo process solely because Vox Day also included me on his “Rabid Puppies” slate, and his RP crowd provided the necessary weight to the ballot to put me [...] especially not a Hugo nomination made possible by his followers being the deciding factor. That stench don’t wash off."

Vox Day: "So, rather than concerning yourself with the minutiae of Mr. Kloos's apology or his decision to withdraw his nomination, reflect upon the difference between his actions and the actions of those with whom he makes his philosophical home. It took him less than four hours to do what many others have not done in more than ten years. So don't hold it against him. I certainly won't."

Marko Kloos expressed his contempt not only for Vox but also and distinctly for his followers. He did not retract the latter part.

Those who define themselves as Vox Day's followers are bound to follow him in not resenting the standing insult to them.

Fair enough. Unilateral de-escalation may have a role to play in maintaining social peace between social justice warriors and the Dread Ilk.

Anonymous ChucklesDPirate April 16, 2015 8:09 AM  

Don't forget international Amazon sites, this user was especially subtle: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/A23P6HNPONQNHK/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp

Anonymous Alexander April 16, 2015 8:24 AM  

Heh. "Subtle"

Thanks, Chuckles. Certainly got one from me.

Anonymous Alexander April 16, 2015 8:26 AM  

So just so we have this straight,

There is no campaign, no conspiracy. Just some guy connected to two publishing houses who is also a reader at Making Light, telling his audience to make sure to 'review' Rabid Puppies and 'game Amazon'.

But there's no slate, no whispers, no sir, everything is just fine.

Anonymous James April 16, 2015 8:26 AM  

Lesson for next time. Fight fire with fire. Fuck quality vote en mass for non SJWs.

The likes of kloot can please themselves.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P April 16, 2015 8:41 AM  

IM2L844 -"While it's true that I don't hang on Vox's every word and it's entirely possible that I may have missed it, I have been checking in fairly regularly for the past 6 years and I am unaware of any "race diatribe" by Vox. If one actually exists I should very much like to read it and would appreciate it if anyone could direct me to it."

When you define "race diatribe" as "making a comment or observation on race that doesnt conform to leftist accepted norms" then it magically appears every time Vox mentions race in any way, shape or form. The truth however, is radically different - as youve observed.

Anonymous fuck kloos April 16, 2015 8:43 AM  

Koos is still dead to me. No, I will NOT post 1 star reviews.But I also am done paying him money for his shit.

Anonymous Herman Robak April 16, 2015 8:48 AM  

For what it is worth, the dictionary definition of "pink prose" DOES come pretty close to how I perceive mr. Wright's writing style. It's like having many flowers and throw pillows in the living room; it looks opulent, but it loses its allure quickly.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 16, 2015 9:02 AM  

Alexander: "So just so we have this straight,

There is no campaign, no conspiracy. Just some guy connected to two publishing houses who is also a reader at Making Light, telling his audience to make sure to 'review' Rabid Puppies and 'game Amazon'.

But there's no slate, no whispers, no sir, everything is just fine."

All true.

Plus, non-social justice warriors had it coming.

Anonymous Indeed April 16, 2015 9:15 AM  

Koos is still dead to me. No, I will NOT post 1 star reviews.But I also am done paying him money for his shit.

I agree, but fortunately I haven't paid him any money yet.

Blogger James Dixon April 16, 2015 9:22 AM  

> I agree, but fortunately I haven't paid him any money yet.

Yes, while his apology is commendable, Kloos has made it clear that he doesn't want anything from people like me. I have to assume that would include my money too.

Blogger Douglas Wardell April 16, 2015 9:26 AM  

I posted this in the other thread, but I was stunned to see an unforced public apology from a non-conservative to a conservative for any reason. When is the last time that happened in genre publishing? It seems petty to get caught up in the minutiae.

Blogger rcocean April 16, 2015 9:28 AM  

While I appreciate Vox's classy response to the "apology" Koos not only insulted him, he insulted people like me, who post here and voted for him. Next time it comes to buying one of his books, his comments about "stench" and excrement will be hard to forget.

Blogger Jim April 16, 2015 9:31 AM  

The funny thing is that I'm 90% sure the whole verified purchase review system came about because of SJWs trying to game the system. A few years ago there was some crazy SJW outrage (we didn't even have the term for SJWs at the time) that resulted in Amazon creating a special policy just for that product's (movie? book? I honestly forget) reviews due to the political toxicity of it. I wrote to Amazon at the time about them limiting reviews only to people that purchased through them. They actually responded that it was something they were going to look at.

Blogger Douglas Wardell April 16, 2015 9:39 AM  

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Anonymous Giuseppe April 16, 2015 9:43 AM  

Vox,
As a contributor to Riding the Red Horse, let me know if you need an affidavit or anything else from me. I take strong exception to my publisher being attacked this way. I reported Glenn yesterday but will see if I can make it more formal.

Blogger bob k. mando April 16, 2015 9:44 AM  

Herman Robak April 16, 2015 8:48 AM
For what it is worth, the dictionary definition of "pink prose" DOES come pretty close to how I perceive mr. Wright's writing style.



*nosepinch headache*

the term is "purple prose". "pink prose" either doesn't exist or would be 'gay themed'.

while i don't disagree with assessing much of Wright's work as 'purple', in my case i rather enjoy having the boundaries of my vocabulary and conceptual inventory pushed.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purple%20prose?s=t

as for you, it seems likely that 'ride', 'insufficient height', yada yada.

but, to each his own. i like it, you don't. and i don't demand that you do.



Vox
So, rather than concerning yourself with the minutiae of Mr. Kloos's apology or his decision to withdraw his nomination, reflect upon the difference between his actions and the actions of those with whom he makes his philosophical home. It took him less than four hours to do what many others have not done in more than ten years. So don't hold it against him. I certainly won't.



in point of fact, YOU were not the only one to whom he offered offense. as noted above, he specifically went out of his way to shit on anyone remotely related to this.
"made possible by his followers being the deciding factor".

he has not offered apology for his actual offense ( badthink! badthink! ), neither has he offered apology to ALL of those whom he went out of his way to offend.

however, the only reason i know about Kloos is because you've talked about him. i've never read his books, aside from this mess i've never interacted with him or spoken to anyone else who had.

therefore, i'm perfectly happy going back to the status quo ante.

i've never spent a dime on anything by Marko Kloos and i see no reason to do so in the future.

amusingly enough, they've slandered John C. Wright over in the thread at Kloos' joint.

Reveen on April 15, 2015 at 10:07 pm said:
John C. Wright is a complete sack of crap, yeah.


which is a fairly good paraphrase of the accusation Kloos leveled against you, right down to a four letter expletive for feces.

Blogger Thomas Mays April 16, 2015 9:47 AM  

I've down voted all the new fake reviews and reported them for abuse.

Blogger borderwalker April 16, 2015 9:49 AM  

I've enjoyed Mr. Kloos' work, but right now, a paraphrase of Samuel Adams sums it up best for me:

"May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were my countryman.

Blogger borderwalker April 16, 2015 9:50 AM  

I've enjoyed Mr. Kloos' work, but right now, a paraphrase of Samuel Adams sums it up best for me:

"May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were my countryman.

Anonymous Joel P. April 16, 2015 9:53 AM  

I went through and reported all of the fake reviews with this message:

Fake, politically motivated review, which was almost no doubt posted in response to Glenn Hauman's call to "game" the Amazon ratings: https://archive.today/RNnaN

I hope Amazon acts on this quickly.

Anonymous Herman Robak April 16, 2015 9:56 AM  

bob k. mando April 16, 2015 9:44 AM
You're right, it's "purple prose", not pink. I looked up "purple prose" first, and still wrote "pink prose". Weird!

Blogger JDC April 16, 2015 9:57 AM  

Reported fake reviews as well. Kloos apologized...one can always applaud baby steps.

Blogger Thomas Mays April 16, 2015 10:00 AM  

I've down voted all the new fake reviews and reported them for abuse.

Blogger Giraffe April 16, 2015 10:10 AM  

That was big of Mr. Kloos.

Anonymous Salt April 16, 2015 10:29 AM  

"Dodged that one," he thinks to himself. "That was kloos."

Blogger Sean April 16, 2015 10:55 AM  

I've also reported the reviews as abuse.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 16, 2015 11:02 AM  

This is too funny: They asked for an objective measure. Then, out comes the objective measure, which includes the trap. They charge into the trap proclaiming how clever they are.

Anonymous Alexander April 16, 2015 11:12 AM  

Any word of a job boom in Las Vegas? Cause that's the objective measure I'm looking for to say 'mission accomplished'.

Blogger Doom April 16, 2015 11:16 AM  

While namecalling, per se, isn't necessary for people who advocate evil, describing them as collectivist, sneaky, cheating, lying, monsters is just fine. However, if you happened to live in the base nature of a lower intelligence, calling them simpler names is how it works. There is not shame in foul words for foul men. Women don't really count, even Lilith has been put in her place, by her own nature. Christ did not come to bring peace, not even Christ. What was one of the things? To bring enmity, even between kin. How much more so for those foreign of mind and spirit to goodness and truth? Piss on the fuckers.

Anonymous ticticboom April 16, 2015 11:27 AM  

Yeah, Kloos' apology was just for using a bad word. His stated contempt for anyone who voted RP stands.

He strikes me as intellectually on the right and emotionally on the left. The latter wins every time. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years he does a 180 on everything else.

Blogger JDC April 16, 2015 11:33 AM  

Hateful drivel. Nazis will love it - Mark Rogers

Look at his other 3 reviews, all within the last few hours, all related to works under sad or rabid puppy nomination for the Hugos. He got his marching orders and, unimpaired by any sense of integrity or judgement, he's following them. This is the kind of sad caricature of a human being who pours the Zyklon B into the gas chamber because, you know, he's only following orders. - Thomas Kratman

Rhetoric destroys rhetoric. Beautiful.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 16, 2015 11:42 AM  

I certainly will not be writing to Amazon to rescind my plea to them to ban all fake reviewers, retroactively.

When I sent my appeal, I thought: "I detest fake reviews. I should have done this years ago. Why did it take this to get me to act?"

Anonymous MendoScot April 16, 2015 11:47 AM  

Curiously, my past reviews have disappeared from my account and the review purchased products page says I have no purchases for reviewing. Odd, since Amazon has been almost harrassing me about the number of purchased books that I haven't reviewed.

It may be that they are beginning to act, or at least are having a look at the participants in this particular kerfuffle.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 16, 2015 11:51 AM  

I'm glad to see other people are adding more detail to their reports than I am.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 16, 2015 11:55 AM  

MendoScot: "Odd, since Amazon has been almost harrassing me about the number of purchased books that I haven't reviewed."

:) Heh, they do that.

Blogger John Wright April 16, 2015 12:13 PM  

@ Herman Robak
Actually, you mean 'purple prose' which refers to overwrought or over-ornate or excessively dramatic prose, such as was favored by my fellow Victorians and fellow pulp writers.

'Pink prose' is not a term, unless you are coining it here and now.

Blogger Corvinus April 16, 2015 1:04 PM  

Kloos sounds like one of those fake Republican conservatives who are still SJW in all the right places (i.e., when it comes to "racism", "misogyny", etc.)

If he wants to rely on SJWs to buy his books, he's welcome.

Blogger Salt April 16, 2015 1:09 PM  

'Pink prose' is not a term, unless you are coining it here and now.

Works for me; wabbit speak.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 16, 2015 1:37 PM  

"'Pink prose' is not a term, unless you are coining it here and now."

Think of a story involving a lesbian prostitute/assassin/STEM graduate who invents inexpensive personal gravity reducers & who gives them to gays in 3rd world countries so that when they survive being thrown off buildings they destroy the foundations of the backwards religious.

Darn it, its already a better story than the one that replaced John C Wright's work on the Hugos. I guess I better fill it out more before the year ends if its left up on this blog.

Anonymous GreyS April 16, 2015 1:55 PM  

Kloos should post his apology on fb instead of merely in the comments on Larry's blog. Otherwise, it's as disingenuous as his opening statement about the withdrawal:

"It has come to my attention that “Lines of Departure” was one of the nomination suggestions in Vox Day’s “Rabid Puppies” campaign. Therefore..."

There is zero chance he did not know that he was on VD's RP slate which has been out for two and a half months.

(It's obvious that even VD's worst enemies read this blog at least as much as any regular 'Ilk' does. It's also obvious they all follow his twitter one way or another. Heck--half of Scalzi's posts are reactions to VD).

I get that Kloos was trying to figure out which way to play it-- Take the publicity and increased sales or publicly separate from RP?? I get the career decision to play the "I regretfully withdraw...." card. But he went overboard in play-acting as if he just found out that VD was involved, and went way over the line in insulting VD and others.

Among the two possible reasons he played it that way-- 1- Negotiations (contractual or handshake future payback) with Tor or whoever have been completed. Or, 2-- His wife recently found out who VD was.

Being that he saved the rant part for FB-- my guess is the latter.

Anonymous Heh April 16, 2015 2:30 PM  

"If he wants to rely on SJWs to buy his books, he's welcome."

Big Pussy Kloos might fall between two stools. We won't buy his stuff since he insulted us, and the SJW will always associate him with SP no matter how hard he tries to disassociate himself.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 16, 2015 2:47 PM  

It amazes me at the cowardice of these wretches. Sure they make a living doing this, and it might cost them money but they're willing to bow to fairy queens of crazyworld to keep making a quick busk writing pulp? Yeah fuck you. Fuck you.
These people probably imagine themselves as starving artists who suffer for their art, but they're just cheap $5 whores who will blow a load for money.
Being American I cannot stand the sight of such naked cowardice as to not be able to stand up to these Chickens of the semen. What pray tell would these spineless worms stand up for? What small principles do they have in their gay handbags that anyone would admire?
Real writers would argue with editors who merely want to change the Title of their story, but these fuckers will accept a false paradigm of crazy perverts who do nothing but offend the public and drive readers away from the industry!

Blogger bob k. mando April 16, 2015 2:50 PM  

GreyS April 16, 2015 1:55 PM
Kloos should post his apology on fb


Kloos is on twitter. still lying.
"Threatening not to buy my books is old hat, but demanding refunds from me personally? That’s a new one."

Emperor of Icecream did not 'demand' a refund. he asked for help in getting Amazon to refund his money since it was past the 7 day return period.

http://www.munchkinwrangler.com/2015/04/15/a-statement-on-my-hugo-nomination/#comment-3752

we've got a confirmed Gamma Rabbit.

Blogger Corvinus April 16, 2015 3:24 PM  

we've got a confirmed Gamma Rabbit.

I'm waiting for him to eventually melt down and start throwing out RSHD.

Anonymous Herman Robak April 16, 2015 4:46 PM  

@ John Wright & Salt:

Indeed, the term I intended was "purple prose". I did hear a nagging inner voice suggesting that it could not be "pink prose", because that would be Rabbit Screed. But I failed to pay attention. I apologise for the brain fart.

TL;DR: Purple prose from mr. Wright, and pink prose from the warren.

If "pink prose" wasn't a thing until today, consider it coined! :-)

Anonymous Herman Robak April 16, 2015 4:58 PM  

@ BigGaySteve wrote:
"Think of a story involving a lesbian prostitute/assassin/STEM graduate who invents inexpensive personal gravity reducers & who gives them to gays in 3rd world countries so that when they survive being thrown off buildings they destroy the foundations of the backwards religious."

Yeah, that would be highly saturated pink prose. :-D

Anonymous AussieTom April 16, 2015 8:05 PM  

Reported as abuse.

Anonymous CENTRAL April 16, 2015 11:00 PM  

Comrade. T-Minus 32 hrs until lift off. 2131 12515 25358 99014

Anonymous Prairie Dan April 19, 2015 12:51 PM  

Folks,

Just as the SF/F tent is big and has a lot of different viewpoints in it, the tent for gun owners has a lot of different flavors ("Fudds" who think you only need a duck gun, anti-government radicals, competition shooters, etc.)

Marko Kloos is part of a cult of personality in the gun world, that is every bit as gamma and rabbity as the SFWA gang. The ringleader is a post-wall woman with zero professional credentials named Tamara Keel. She loves to throw her weight around and bloviate (and she showed up in the comments at Brad's to defend Marko). If you deviate from that woman's opinions, you get excommunicated from the cool kids table. And she has a lot of white knight beta orbiters in her thrall. I think Larry C. knows her, as she is shameless about sucking up to anyone that might raise her profile.

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