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Wednesday, April 22, 2015

Breed to win

The Palestinians understand this. The Israelis understand this. The future belongs to those who show up for it.:
Conservatives, it is not enough to merely produce children or, as so many do, adopt those already here. We must nurture them and teach them properly because liberal society is determined to corrupt them and convert them into eager drones for the Borg Collective that is progressivism. Fight back. If you are religious, teach your children about God. If not, teach them to respect and understand those who are. Teach them about our country and our history – there’s no better way to demonstrate to them, as opposed to indoctrinate them, why America deserves their patriotism....

And teach your kids skills that will help them survive. Teach them to fight, and to shoot. Teach them to be steadfast in the defense of their rights, and to stand up for those being oppressed. My kids have a standing offer – if their school suspends them for justifiably punching a bully they get taken out for ice cream. And demand that your school teaches your kids properly – as Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds often says, sending your kids to public schools is almost parental malpractice.
It's not "almost parental malpractice" it is parental malpractice. Have at least three children, four is better. Homeschool them. Teach them to anticipate being attacked for who and what they are. Teach them to have pride in who and what they are. Teach them to serve God first and fear God only. Teach them to love the truth and hate the lie.

And don't live in fear yourself. Don't fear divorce and the stacked deck. Giving up what you fear potentially losing means you have already lost. Your odds are not the general odds.

War doesn't care whether you are fighting it or not. You are caught up in the cultural war whether you want to be or not. The only question is if you are an armed soldier or a helpless civilian.

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Blogger Remo April 22, 2015 8:07 AM  

And don't teach them to be "patriotic" either. That is a sham especially today. Unless you want them wearing high heels in army dress uniform being "patriotic" today simply means being in Hillary!!'s version of the SS in a few years. GOD, TRUTH, and LIBERTY. All else flows from this and nothing that doesn't isn't worth anything.

Blogger Hazim April 22, 2015 8:19 AM  

Show them how to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. Repeat to them Yaweh's warning to Cain. Don't you know that if you do what is right your countenance will be lifted up? But if you do not do what is right sin is crouching at your door and its desire is for you.

Blogger Hazim April 22, 2015 8:20 AM  

And always show instead of tell whenever plausible.

Blogger Student in Blue April 22, 2015 8:25 AM  

The last line of the topic can't be stressed strongly enough.

"No, no I'm not in a 'culture war'. I'm just trying to raise my kids. If I just leave those people who disagree with me alone, they'll leave me alone, right?"

It'll take a while until everyone is woken up.

Blogger YIH April 22, 2015 8:26 AM  

Heartiste noted this (in his own way) as well:
"We wanted to adopt before having any biological children, so that our adopted children would feel 'chosen,' not as though they were an afterthought."
The problem? When you see and read about this you will likely come to the same conclusion as I did - they won't have kids of their own.
Oh, BTW, speaking of faith vs. reality, Tebow's back. No, seriously, the Eagles signed him.

Blogger napari April 22, 2015 8:38 AM  

Several years ago in a discussion group of 5 people the leftists used to discuss and plan how to overwhelm conservatives by importing migrants. The root of their motive(s) was the same. Hatred of God and religion. These nincompoops rationalized it was more important to kill the future in order to "feel" good in the present and the solution to stop conservatives was to overwhelm them with numbers and brain washing via the school system.
It gets me all warm and fuzzy to read blogs like this and realize the leftists were wrong as no matter what I said the leftist illogic would not allow a sane or reasonable compromise.
Onward Christian soldiers with your duty to make wild passionate love with your beloved and save the future! ;)

Blogger Guitar Man April 22, 2015 8:48 AM  

Guys, my wife and I recently welcomed our 5th child into the world. I'm not sure we're going for number 6. You all need to pick up the slack!

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 22, 2015 9:01 AM  

Congrats Guitar Man!

Hey Vox, in trying to find a good woman to marry, SB have any friends or sisters?

I've avoided marriage not because I can't find a good woman. I found 2 out of 38 that I dated, so they are out there and you can refine your search to reduce that ratio. But I don't feel comfortable building a family on the income I receive. This is why my shift in focus has been on self improvement and seeking better work. Hopefully the wife and 4 kids I can pull later, just at and older age than I had wanted to.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 22, 2015 9:05 AM  

Lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, and all that. You don't need as much money as you think. I had two kids as a full time student with an income south of $20k. Two more after finishing grad school and getting some real money. But why wait? You want to be looking at retirement and still have kids starting college? Suck it up while you're young; you don't need things. Having your family is a much greater reward.

We would have kept going but after miscarrying on No. 5, we decided that the risk was too great, and our decision had been made for us.

Anonymous Tom April 22, 2015 9:06 AM  

I need to get over my personal fear of guns. The rest of this, I've got down pat.

Blogger Shimshon April 22, 2015 9:07 AM  

I have mentioned this more than a few times over the years. Toss out the notion of putting a limit like this on the number of children. I have friends and neighbors with six, seven, eight, even nine (and more) children. Three? Four? Are you serious? If this is a war, it's not enough to merely outbreed them. You need to scare them half to death with your determination and willingness to sacrifice materially.

In this way, Jews, well, the most devout Jews anyway (particularly in Israel), do this better than just about any group in existence.

Blogger El Borak April 22, 2015 9:10 AM  

Adopt to win. Taking one kid who will likely end up on the other side and training him on yours kills two birds with one stone. Plus you get pretty good kids, too.

Anonymous MrBultitude April 22, 2015 9:13 AM  

Thanks for this, Vox. From a (relatively) new parent it struck a chord with me.

Blogger Sherwood family April 22, 2015 9:14 AM  

Hear, hear, Guitar Man! Welcome to the club! Having a large family is lots of work but totally worth it. My wife and I have five and are figuring out when to aim for number six. I am in the Foreign Service so timing can be tricky because of Department restrictions on where my wife can give birth. (I do not want her to do that in the country I am in now. Medical here is very sketchy.) So she has to go on medical stay back to the States six weeks prior to any birth and then stay for six week post partum while I stay working (except for a short trip for the birth.) Anyway, we won't let any of that stop us. We are homeschooling our kids and teaching them that they ought to fear God more than man. We are trying to teach our children to be more wise than we were and that they "henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive," and teach them also to "Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them."

No other success can compensate for failure in the home. I cannot control my children's choices long term but I can raise them up in the way they should go and give my very best efforts to helping them start off on the right path.

Anonymous Anonymous April 22, 2015 9:19 AM  

VD - Can you clarify what you mean by "Don't fear divorce....giving up what you fear potentially losing..." As a man currently facing the (fearful) decision to pull the trigger and likely lose my kids forever, I'd like some clarification on this from a Game perspective, eucivic perspective, or just a sanity perspective. --JT

Anonymous KC9ZNR April 22, 2015 9:20 AM  

Tom, getting over a fear of guns is like getting over the fear of any tool (I don't like chainsaws). You just need to learn how to use the tool correctly and safely, and get some practice occasionally.

Anonymous Homesteader April 22, 2015 9:24 AM  

4 or more kids? Check.
Homeschool? Check.
Teach them to shoot? Check.
Fear God? Check.
Fight and confront bullies? Check.
Pride and love of Truth? Check.
Historical knowledge? Check.
Love country, fear Gov't? Check.
Happy Warrior ethos? Check.

I love the smell of Validation in the morning-it smells like Victory.


OpenID simplytimothy April 22, 2015 9:26 AM  

I need to get over my personal fear of guns. The rest of this, I've got down pat.

A double barrel side-by-side or over-under shotgun is a great first gun, imho. Very simple to use and understand and the darn things have been around for a long time. They are excellent for handing down generation to generation. Also, Tim Tebow is an excellent shot-gun formation quarterback.



Blogger Sherwood family April 22, 2015 9:26 AM  

Shimshon, I agree. I am the second of ten children and the looks we got whenever we went some place all together were priceless. We were all very well behaved in public but there were a lot of us and by the looks that we received we struck fear into the hearts of onlookers. I suppose it was a bit like watching the Mongol horde arriving. The questions people have asked my wife and I (we only have 5 so far) as so indicative of the mindset people today have about children.

My favorite is when people say things like, "Have you ever heard of birth control?"
I always answer, "Of course, why do you think we only have 5?" or "Obviously, you don't think we've only sex 5 times, do you?" That usually shocks people into a kind of stunned silence. It probably is not nice of me but it does make my wife laugh.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 9:34 AM  

"Toss out the notion of putting a limit like this on the number of children."

A favorite question I get from time to time is "Are you done yet?" Answer: "Done what? Having sex with my wife? Are you kidding!?"

Seriously though, have as many as Hashem gives. Even one child raised and taught at an early age to consider every aspect of life in the terms of "right and wrong", faithfulness and duty, and to submit all of their relationships to the highest standard, higher than the norms set by human judgment, will put a thousand to flight of those who are being raised to suppress and disdain the truth, while being deprived of the ability to fully appreciate the profound meaning of their calling and purpose in this world.

"War doesn't care whether you are fighting it or not. You are caught up in the cultural war whether you want to be or not."

NEVER give in. Finish what you started. Never abdicate your responsibility as parents to your children. Eli the priest was admonished by Hashem to restrain his sons Hophni and Phineas, and these men were in their forties and fifties with families of their own. Unfortunately, Eli abdicated with disastrous results.

There is no such thing as being done. G-d made you a parent. Discharge your duty and fight the good fight. This is a war that not one any of us we can afford to lose - not for our sakes, our children's sakes, or our enemies' sakes.

Blogger Guitar Man April 22, 2015 9:36 AM  

JT, I think he meant that to mean that many men today are afraid to commit to marriage because of the horrible rates of divorce in the US.

Blogger Dreadpiratk April 22, 2015 9:41 AM  

We have 5, and among our social group are considered slackers. I wish we had had more, but we waited to late for the last 2. Homeschooled them all k-12 and regret nothing. My 2 youngest (8 and 10) are at the dining room table by themselves right now speaking Spanish doing today's lesson unsupervised. I may have failed at many things, but not this.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 22, 2015 9:47 AM  

Don't vaccinate them.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 9:50 AM  

Psalm 127 . . .

Only those who are determined to succeed in this most noble of all endeavors will be able to look their enemies in the eye devoid of any fear of reproach for having permitted their children to disgrace themselves and their lives. Children raised right are the pride of any parent and a credit to their love and commitment. As anyone knows, a tree is known by its fruit, so is the quality of a parent revealed through the conduct and character of their children.

Blogger Marissa April 22, 2015 9:54 AM  

Many congratulations, GuitarMan! I'm cooking my first right now and husband is completely with the kind of thinking in the OP all the way. Make sure you have more yourself, Vox!

Anonymous Peter Garstig April 22, 2015 9:59 AM  

Raising kids: A tremendous task, of which I'm still struggling.

Blogger Guitar Man April 22, 2015 10:03 AM  

Congrats, Marissa. Teach them to be Boston fans, too!

Anonymous Viidad April 22, 2015 10:04 AM  

There is nothing I need to add.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 10:08 AM  

"A tremendous task, of which I'm still struggling."

But a task for which you are fully equipped. As the needs of your household grows, so do your worries and cares about them. Remember that your responsibility and struggle does not rest on your shoulders alone. Be assured, there is Someone at your side who will help you care and provide for them.

Keep struggling and doing your part and He will continue to step in do His. Though we live in a care and anxiety ridden world, G-d is near and He will give you the strength and the courage to "struggle" in the greatest of all struggles.

Blogger Marissa April 22, 2015 10:09 AM  

Congrats, Marissa. Teach them to be Boston fans, too!

Over my cold, dead body, Yankee! :)

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 10:09 AM  

Mazeltov Marissa!

Anonymous Porky April 22, 2015 10:12 AM  

I am available for stud services. Just putting that out there.

Anonymous waguy April 22, 2015 10:15 AM  

We have 3, and it has been hard to get to 4. My wife has been pregnant most of the last 7 years.

Miscarriages suck.

We will hopefully get to #4. But feel blessed with our 3.

Blogger Nate April 22, 2015 10:21 AM  

"I need to get over my personal fear of guns. The rest of this, I've got down pat."

Dealing with fear of firearms is precisely like dealing with every other fear. It is ultimately the fear of the unknown. You don't know how they work, you don't know the safety rules or the lore.

This overcome simply by experience. Find a friend that has firearms... and ask him to show them to you and tell you about them. Just handle them.

The next step is to go to the range and actually fire some.

I've seen women who literally shook when they saw firearms in person... turn to giggling 6 year old girls after they shot one the first time.

Blogger Chiva April 22, 2015 10:23 AM  

Sorry to hear that waguy. I pray that a healthy #4 comes soon.

Blogger Shimshon April 22, 2015 10:30 AM  

Not that anyone is asking, but I have three sons. Wife had life-threatening blood clots at 10 weeks into the last pregnancy and that was that. Definitely genetic, as her sister had it even worse (she has four). My two oldest (twins) have received their induction notices (for summer 2016). I will see them off with a heavy heart (especially if they volunteer for a combat unit as they both talk about), but proud of the young men they have become.

Kudos to all of you! Mazel tov on all the recent births.

Blogger automatthew April 22, 2015 10:31 AM  

Viidad: "There is nothing I need to add."

Except another "i" to your name.

Anonymous Will Best April 22, 2015 10:33 AM  

I am in my mid 30's and among the peers in my social/business network the conservatives are out breeding the liberals about 4 to 1 and the moderates 2 to 1.

That might change in the future because the conservatives I know are largely done, and a lot of liberals have 0 children but are finally getting around to marriage so perhaps they will squeeze out their IVF miracle child here in the next few years.

Blogger Shimshon April 22, 2015 10:35 AM  

Another important thing to consider is encouraging kids to marry young. Wife and I would both be thrilled to see our kids married sooner rather than later. Dating for the sake of dating and the concept boyfriend/girlfriend are modern notions that have no place in traditional families. Even if they don't have kids themselves right away, better for them to find a good partner and marry.

Blogger Brad Andrews April 22, 2015 10:38 AM  

I would add to this to support parents who are doing that. We got undercut by any number of people who believed our children rather than us on issues of strong parenting. Our children almost completely rejected what we raised them with because of this.

We started with the deck stacked against us, because we were raising someone else's children (a sibling group from the foster care system), but the lack of support undermined a great deal of our efforts.

You can't instill values if everyone is telling your children that you are completely unreasonable.

Blogger JDC April 22, 2015 10:43 AM  

Congrats Guitar Man - that's awesome. Taking the 9 y/o on his first turkey hunt this Saturday. Full choke on...dead turkeys in our immediate future.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 10:43 AM  

"I will see them off with a heavy heart (especially if they volunteer for a combat unit as they both talk about), but proud of the young men they have become."

May Hashem protect and watch over them. I have one son who is interested in serving in the Lone Soldier Program. He is spending the next year working on his Hebrew, so we'll see.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 10:45 AM  

" . . . Jews, well, the most devout Jews anyway (particularly in Israel), do this better than just about any group in existence."

Even better the occasional Pakistani.

I was in a taxi in Washington D.C a few years ago and the driver was from Pakistan. When I told him how many children I had, after a long pause and with a quizzical expression he asked me: All from one wife?

We boast ten. Classic.

Blogger hank.jim April 22, 2015 10:49 AM  

Legal and illegal immigration overwhelm efforts to breed conservatives into society. It is worse that marriage has declined and there is no message on how to get marriage on the right track. Instead, even in the men's site, marriage is something to be avoided. Having more kids is fine, but it is hard since people are just waiting too long. You can't easily have more than 2 kids if you start after 30. I know. I may just have one kid and I'm 15 years from retirement. I'm sort of done with trying to save the world. The world will go on. It is just more of the same old.

Blogger Shimshon April 22, 2015 10:57 AM  

"All from one wife?"

Okay Rabbi B, that got a good laugh out of me.

Blogger AmyJ April 22, 2015 10:59 AM  

Congrats, Guitar Man and Marissa!

Our second is due this summer. Hoping for at least one more before I hit the high risk years. Seriously ladies, start as young as you possibly can. It only gets harder :-/

Blogger Chris Ritchie April 22, 2015 11:01 AM  

Like the Guitar Man, we also welcomed our fifth child on March 6th. I love what another poster said: I love the smell of validation in the morning!

:-)

Anonymous Peter Garstig April 22, 2015 11:04 AM  

You can't instill values if everyone is telling your children that you are completely unreasonable.

Anyone care to give advice to this. I would be interested as well.

Anonymous Gecko April 22, 2015 11:05 AM  

I'd be curious to see what this like-minded crowd has to say about the existing options for adoption. We've had four naturally, but a fifth would need to be adopted for medical reasons. So far, we've been unimpressed with the adoption processes out there. I feel like we're just not looking in the right places.

Durandel, a wise friend once told me that your financial situation should be at the bottom of your list of reasons to not have kids. If you are able-bodied and able-minded, you're way ahead of the game already and can make it work. Many aren't even that fortunate. There will never be a perfect time, or even a near-perfect time, so get over it right now.

If you still feel the need to improve something, work on your network of friends and family. When you've got each other's backs, that's a huge risk mitigator all around.

Blogger The Original Hermit April 22, 2015 11:10 AM  

I grew up in a conservative church, but I don't recall even once being encouraged to have children and grow a large family. My wife and I while engaged, both were vehemently outspoken that we would never have children. Our first child was born before our first anniversary. We quickly realized how selfish the idea was to not have any children, and 10 years later we just had our fourth child a month ago. Thank goodness we married young or the last two may have never happened.

We would love to have more, but the combination of the last pregnancy being especially hard on her, ongoing medical issues with our 3rd, and increased financial pressures it's becoming untenable to have any more. But we've got pretty much all the boxes checked.

Blogger Bard April 22, 2015 11:12 AM  

Vasectomy at standard 2 children. Repented and had it reversed 4 years ago, but no luck. We are in our 40s, what a HUGE sin.

Blogger Bard April 22, 2015 11:17 AM  

But I do have two "giants among men" boys. Homeschooled, love guns, knives, bows, and flashlights. Christian, handsome, smart, athletic. Truly blessed. But a complete fool. Wish I had 10 more of them. I could conquer a small city!

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 11:17 AM  

"You can't instill values if everyone is telling your children that you are completely unreasonable."

"Anyone care to give advice to this. I would be interested as well."

Don't tolerate it. It is a divisive tactic that you must combat at every turn. Children have the uncanniest ability to smell the smallest division and exploit it. You're unreasonable? Good. Welcome to parenting where you reserve the right to be as unreasonable as necessary to raise your kids right and in the way YOU think they ought to be raised.

My advice: No, matter how "well-meaning" shut it down and refuse to brook this insidious meddling. They're your children and you are ultimately responsible for them. Get used to it. The opposition will never let up and you must never give up.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 22, 2015 11:22 AM  

You can't instill values if everyone is telling your children that you are completely unreasonable.

Anyone care to give advice to this. I would be interested as well.


Of course you can. Kids are more willing to listen to their parents than someone else until they're teenagers, and if you teach them the proper values before then, they'll be properly skeptical of what others are telling them when they're teenagers.

Especially if you teach them not to trust the messages that they'll get at school and in the media. If they're made aware very early on that our task is to live in the world but not be of the world, they'll mostly do fine.

Blogger El Borak April 22, 2015 11:26 AM  

I'd be curious to see what this like-minded crowd has to say about the existing options for adoption.

We had three of our own first, then adopted three. The last two we adopted straight out of foster care. As we'd had them in our home since they were 11 months and 1 month old, we were the only parents they had really known and so the process was smooth family-wise: we knew what we were getting , they never knew any different. The downside is that it took better than three years to complete the process and there was always the chance that the courts would act erratically.

We have 4 more foster kids presently, all under 3, all of whom will likely go for adoption. Thought I think that with my half-century mark in sight, we shan't be adopting any more. But if we were still interested, we'd do it directly out of foster care again.

Blogger Chiva April 22, 2015 11:32 AM  

"Anyone care to give advice to this. I would be interested as well."

My parents were ones that were undermining what my wife and I were doing (especially homeschooling). It got to a point where my children were being affected by my parents constant questioning and observations. Something had to change.
I set boundaries with my parents. They had the right to visit with my children only if they would abide by those boundaries. Of course the my parents broke those boundaries at the first opportunity. I would not allow my parents to see our children until they could successfully abide by my boundaries. It was hard, but necessary. The whole process took approximately 9 months (both my parents and I are hard-headed).
Now my relationship with my parents is stronger. They respect my boundaries, and see me as a man not a child.

Boundaries with family, friend, and community are very important. Set them up and keep them.

Blogger JP April 22, 2015 11:33 AM  

"I need to get over my personal fear of guns."

Go shoot traps (clay pigeons). It's probably the least frightening way of getting into shooting. Also, trap shooters usually don't have an ego problem.

Blogger ScuzzaMan April 22, 2015 11:36 AM  

I agree with you, Vox, in everything but the bit about teaching them pride. It seems oddly discordant from a man who obviously knows his scripture.

As a purely practical matter, I've never met anyone who needed such teaching, but I've met a vast number who needed the opposite lesson.

Perhaps I've misapprehended your meaning?

Anonymous Ain April 22, 2015 11:37 AM  

Student in Blue: "The last line of the topic can't be stressed strongly enough."

Agreed. Another mistake Christians make in spiritual warfare is that "one and done" just doesn't cut it. The counter attack will come in one way or another. It always does.

Anonymous Porky April 22, 2015 11:37 AM  

You can't instill values if everyone is telling your children that you are completely unreasonable.

Love. Gobs and gobs of love. The world will offer a cheap imitation, but your kids will be able to tell the difference, and will remember where they can get the real stuff.



Anonymous GreyS April 22, 2015 11:46 AM  

Teach them that the media and the culture are against them. When we take kids to a March for Life, for example, they will see the thousands of people there and be excited about all these people getting together for a common cause. Then we will tell them to be sure to watch the news that night-- and they will be disappointed in the complete omission or distortion --Talk to them about what made the news in their city that day and what didn't--- their eyes will be opened for a discussion about 'what makes the news' 'who decides what is 'news'?' 'which things in our city/state/culture are being purposely ignored or distorted' etc.

Don't let the culture teach your child about the culture. Make sure YOU teach your child about the culture.

Blogger Danby April 22, 2015 11:49 AM  

I win so far.
11
@Rabbi B
yeah, the reactions we get are precious.
Don't you know where those things come from
My answer: "Of course, you don't think this was accidental do you?"
My lovely wife's answer: "No, would you care to explain?"
My (adult mother of 4) daughter's answer: "Well, when a man and woman love each other very much...."

Think of what you're doing to the planet!
My answer: "The genetically superior get to have more children."
My wife's answer:"We're making up for all the homosexuals we know. (Aside to me)Time to get started on another one..."
My daughter's answer:"We are, and when we've conquered it, we will be benevolent even to people like you."

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 11:52 AM  

@Danby

+11

Blogger ajw308 April 22, 2015 11:56 AM  

Tom.
Just go shooting. Start with a .22. Don't forget eye and ear protection.

I had a coworker who's wife had a terrible flinch, especially when shooting pistols. He couldn't get rid of it till the day he and a friend were loading mags as fast as they could and had her shooting as fast as she could. After a while she was just shooting, no flinch, just shooting fine.

It takes exposure to get over that apprehension. Go get some. Just keep the respect for the gun. It is a powerful tool.

Blogger David April 22, 2015 11:58 AM  

If you can't explain your values to your kids well enough to enable them to ignore criticism thereof, perhaps you should either check your values or swear off having kids.

Pop culture is visibly toxic. It's simply not rocket science to explain how to evaluate it to a kid, or it shouldn't be. And smart kids do just fine while in contact with the masses, when they are given "the why" along with "the what."

This works as long as the kids don't have a major "follower" streak in them, and parents often are blind or too smug to see this (temporary, but dangerous) weak spot.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 22, 2015 12:02 PM  

But I don't feel comfortable building a family on the income I receive. This is why my shift in focus has been on self improvement and seeking better work. Hopefully the wife and 4 kids I can pull later, just at and older age than I had wanted to.

Don't wait. Full steam ahead on everything that's important to you. Years go by far too fast otherwise. And a secret about the cost of supporting a family... rich or poor, it costs what you can afford.

Anonymous JRL April 22, 2015 12:03 PM  

We were blessed with our 4th last week. My older girls make such a fuss over the little one, it's downright heartwarming.

This is an encouraging thread - thanks for sharing your experiences everyone.

Blogger David April 22, 2015 12:05 PM  

As for adoption, I've commented on that (earning more unpopularity thereby) before.

It's a far cry better than abortion or orphanages.
It is NOT the same as a biological nuclear family.
The outcome is better than a bad bio family, for sure, but I question if it can ever match a good bio family.

To be an adoptee is to never quite fit in to either the adoptive family or (if discovered) the biological family. Too much input from both nature (separating from the adoptive family) and nurture (separating from the biological parents) to ever be comfortable in either.

Blogger Guitar Man April 22, 2015 12:06 PM  

JRL, congrats! This thread has been encouraging to me, also. I tend to fret over debt, home repairs, etc., so it is good to have the right perspective reinforced for me.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 22, 2015 12:08 PM  

You better tell them to share anything that the school tells them not to tell their parents. Some schools ask students if their family has any secrets, tell your kids to answer it by saying that "the school superintendent was naked over at uncle Steve's house" Others push white privilege or ask about what stuff your family has like guns. There is also a common core approved tranny coloring book that you might want to see if your school district is using. http://www.queerty.com/can-we-please-just-start-admitting-that-we-do-actually-want-to-indoctrinate-kids-20110512/#ixzz2qWrjWAO6 here is the coloring book https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.633925179979514.1073741831.145318588840178&type=1

"I need to get over my personal fear of guns. The rest of this, I've got down pat."

If you are not man enough to go to your local gun club maybe you can see if there is a Pink pistols chapter near you.

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Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 12:15 PM  

@Guitar Man

"I tend to fret over debt, home repairs, etc., . . ."

Not to sound too trite or cliche, but we have truly found that "where G-d guides G-d provides." Having and rearing children is His priority, and as long as we have His priorities straight, I believe that He will thoroughly equip us for every good work.

I have been married twenty three years with ten, my wife has never worked out side the home in all those years, and we have never been forsaken with our children begging for bread (Psalm 37).

Blogger Guitar Man April 22, 2015 12:22 PM  

Rabbi, the Lord definitely provides. I find my fretting is typically all for naught. Actually, I'm itching because things have been allowed to slide due to the new one. (My house is in the middle of a remodeling project that has been taking longer than I care to admit, but most of it has been done through my own hands and I also decided to pay for it as I could afford it, rather than taking out a loan).

Blogger Bluntobj Winz April 22, 2015 12:24 PM  

Doing this myself, working on #4 now. I sometimes wish I had done it earlier in my life, but I had not matured enough to think of longer range goals. I was a single cityperson until I extrapolated out the consequences of demographic shifts on my future survival. Without a vertically integrated family unit to provide mutual support a person must rely on the government. When government overreach collapses due to inadequate resources it's bad for individual survival. A community grouping is really the only survival path forward, and the smallest community is the family.

This is one of the only real disagreements I have with redpill philosophy, in that it is more inwardly focused and solitary. I think there may be a 6th stage; something like civilization building, that is co-operative with other men who share redpill.

Anonymous MendoScot April 22, 2015 12:26 PM  

To reiterate ... don't wait too long. We did and, to our regret, had only one. It keeps me awake at night.

Anonymous sevensofar April 22, 2015 12:33 PM  

Just 4?

Kids are cheap, start young and have 10+.

And why limit yourself to just wife? The Mormons and Islamists don't and they'll outnumber us at the rate they're going.

Blogger Longstreet April 22, 2015 12:36 PM  

6 boys, 4 girls. Christian, homeschooled, raised to think libertarian and with a healthy disrespect for authority. I'm proud to say that none of them give a rat's ass what their peers think, and while some of them are quieter about it than others, they are indeed happy warriors for all that is true and right and just. The older ones know how to shoot, and the younger ones are not far behind.

The only place I feel I have been deficient is in physical combat. I've been investigating various ways to correct that, but have nothing really satisfactory.

Blogger natschuster April 22, 2015 12:37 PM  

We have twelve, so I guess I win.

People always ask me if they are form woman. I assure them that they are form my One and Only.

My oldest was diagnosed with depression at ~ age 10. We had a lot to work through with him. Now he is marred, has a newborn son, works very hard, and is starting his own business.

My number six, now 17 has very severe OCD. We are still working though his issues. Sometimes things just don't go the way we hope. But we still have to move forward.

Finances are a challenge, yes, but we somehow mange to stay just above water.

Anonymous BillB April 22, 2015 12:42 PM  

For all those patriotic folks: Do not teach your children the Pledge of Allegiance. It is filled with lies and the Founding Fathers spin in their graves every time someone recites the lies. The Pledge was written by Francis Bellamy, a defrocked baptist minister and avowed christian socialist who put the pledge together to destroy state sovereignty. Note that the word nation is not in the Constitution because the Framers DID NOT found a nation. The Framers took 13 nations and founded a Union. The Union was of limited, granted, powers. No one has ever proven Franklin called the Union a republic. So in teaching the history of your country realize your country is the state, which is actually a nation, in which you live. The Union is an association of these nations which was formed to present a common face to the world and to keep the states (nations) from screwing each other.

4 grown, next gen on way, God first, family second, whatever is necessary after that.

Get the books, The Story of Liberty and Exiled,The Story of Rev John Lathrop, to go with their Bibles.

Anonymous Tom April 22, 2015 12:43 PM  

Thanks for the encouragement to get familiar with firearms, but I actually am a little. I grew up on a farm and had uncles who brought guns to family gatherings to shoot for fun. My dad didn't have any in the house and didn't shoot that I remember. But, I've shot before a little (5 or 6 times), and I absolutely loved it.

However, I've got a bunch (7) of little kids running around my house who cannot handle stairs safely on a regular basis. I'm terrified that they would defeat whatever safety measures I put in place and shoot each other by accident. Seriously, the first thing my wife tells me everyday when I get home is what they've broken or destroyed that day.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 12:43 PM  

"We have twelve, so I guess I win. "

There's always somebody . . .

+12

Blogger Longstreet April 22, 2015 12:44 PM  

A favorite question I get from time to time is "Are you done yet?" Answer: "Done what? Having sex with my wife? Are you kidding!?"
Heh. My wife got so tired of hearing "Don't you know what causes that?" She started responding with "Yes. Yes we do! " accompanied with wiggling eyebrows and a big grin.

Blogger Danby April 22, 2015 12:48 PM  

@natschuster
Goodonya mate! I happily concede.
Unless we run into another faggot.

Anonymous JRL April 22, 2015 12:50 PM  

Thanks Guitar Man, back at you!

And that goes for everyone on the thread who is expecting, or just had, a visit from the stork.

Blogger CM April 22, 2015 12:54 PM  

I'm on #3 and i can't imagine! If i had had twins, i'd be fine with more... but pregnancy is the worst thing for me. Did your wives have easy pregnancies? How many twins? if we tried to have more, we'd get 2-3 months of fun trying followed by 6 months of constant vomiting...

I'll just adopt :p

Anonymous Sheila April 22, 2015 12:57 PM  

As others have said, don't start too late (we married late which is another thing to avoid) and don't worry about the cost. We had two, but with a gap of 8 years between them because my husband was so concerned about affording them and college (I was always pushing for more). He now realizes how foolish and short-sighted he was (and we're both agreed that modern college is a total waste of money) and wishes we had a few more - now that we can't (biologically). Yes, we love our sons, but never quite lose the regret for all those who might have been.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 12:59 PM  

" . . . we'd get 2-3 months of fun trying followed by 6 months of constant vomiting..."

No worries. Giving birth kills brain cells, particularly affecting the memory. It's even Biblical . . .

A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world. (John 16).

Anonymous sevensofar April 22, 2015 1:11 PM  

Homebirth your children with a midwife. The hospital is an artificial environment that increaes stress, and therefor pain. It also turns normal pregnancies into problem pregnancies.

Homebirthing is safer, cheaper, and much more pleasant for all involved.

As they say, birth is a natural part of life, not a medical emergency.

Blogger Shimshon April 22, 2015 1:15 PM  

natschuster, regarding various problems like you mention, until I embraced Game and the Red Pill wholeheartedly, my marriage was a wreck and my kids were very angry on a very destructive path. These things can take years to correct, but it is now going on nearly four years, and my marriage is rock solid, and my kids are on well on the way (my perspective, and I don't believe it's just projection) to happy and productive adulthood.

There is little you can do once they reach adolescence other than being the man/husband/father they need. Set the example, and they will, with God's help, follow. It takes a tremendous amount of patience, as the healing has to come from within them.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 1:16 PM  

"Homebirth your children with a midwife."

https://www.google.com/search?q=jim+gaffigfan+4+kids&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Blogger Student in Blue April 22, 2015 1:26 PM  

@Scuzzaman
I agree with you, Vox, in everything but the bit about teaching them pride.

There is a difference between what Vox is saying and what you're saying.

I mean, saying "pride is a sin" is like saying "lust is a sin". Same thing with gluttony and sloth. They're fine things that are good in moderation, but in excess are a deadly sin.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz April 22, 2015 1:29 PM  

I cannot express my agreement strongly enough with those above who recommend homebirth. It also avoids the retaliation at the hospital when you waive all the excess medical crap, and prevents your child's DNA being harvested. That alone might be worth it in the future.

The DNA harvesting takes place when you do the newborn screening for the rare blood diseases. Check your state's policy; many keep them in cold storage for over 20 years, where they can be used for research and are available to law enforcement. Every child that has passed through a hospital gets one unless you sign the waiver; most people don't even know that you can object to the test.

Just little bits of fascism, established for the benefit of children, and will be used when the time is ripe.

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 22, 2015 1:37 PM  

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Blogger Franz Lionheart April 22, 2015 1:38 PM  

Vox - thanks for this interesting post.

May I ask how many children you have yourself please?

Blogger Marissa April 22, 2015 1:40 PM  

The DNA harvesting takes place when you do the newborn screening for the rare blood diseases.

How do they do this? Do they draw the blood or use cord blood? I'm giving birth in a hospital and I have a birth plan which includes declining the Vitamin K shot/cream and Hepatitis B vaccination, but I've never heard of this before.

Anonymous BoysMom April 22, 2015 1:46 PM  

Tom, I've got six, ages seven months to twelve years, four boys and two girls. The firearms are understood to be 'you touch these you die, or at least you'll wish you had'. Mine break and destroy things regularly--not intentionally, just that boys don't understand how strong they are and how weak houses are.
The oldest two (ten and twelve) shoot, passed Hunter's Ed, etc. All of them know better than to touch a firearm without permission every single time. They've never broken that rule. They've seen animals shot and die. Nothing to do with handling stairs safely--that's physical coordination. (Yours broke the stairs yet? Mine have.) I'll get eight-year-old out shooting this summer, I was too pregnant last to teach prone firing. (Okay, we're weird: I'm more comfortable with firearms than my husband is.)
With seven, your oldest must be at least six or seven, hardly little. Teach him/her a basic recipe to make for dinner once a week. When he/she breaks something, he/she should be right there helping you fix it. Look up the age apprenticeships started at. Read Laura Ingalls Wilder and note what chores the children had at very young ages. Don't underestimate what your kids can do, and remind your wife that the modern idea of children as totally helpless is not backed up by history or by any population other than first world moderns. We ladies have a tendency to think of our babies as staying babies even when they're getting as tall as we are.

I've found Managers of their Homes to be a very useful resource (I was an only kid and had no clue how to manage a bunch) in keeping the house running semi-smoothly.

Is Spacebunny still running the Ilk Homeschool email list? I should just send out an email, I guess: my question is which Latin do you use and why? We're more interested in reading/writing than speaking.

Blogger Guitar Man April 22, 2015 1:48 PM  

We've done both hospital and home births (the first home birth was an emergency delivery, I caught the baby before he hit the floor). My opinion is that they both have their merits. Do your own research, but find someone that you can trust to perform the delivery.

Anonymous Sheila April 22, 2015 2:02 PM  

Whether it's a home or hospital birth, go with a certified nurse/midwife, not a standard doctor (who most likely has not ever been present through an entire normal labor and delivery and is ignorant of what that entails). We were overseas for our first son's birth and for various reasons it didn't go quite as planned. We deliberately drove about 25 miles for the second one's birth (because no local hospitals allowed certified nurse/midwives hospital privileges) and son #2 was born about 30 minutes after we got there (Yeah, they said if we had another we'd better plan on a home birth). While it's definitely preferable to have them young, being pregnant when older is not so dreadful (I was 41 when we had our second). The pregnancy and birth were easy. It was the sleeplessness afterwards that killed me at that age.

Blogger ScuzzaMan April 22, 2015 2:17 PM  

Student in Blue:

That is an extremely poor argument. Gluttony is not appetite, it is the lack of moderation in appetite. Thus moderate gluttony is oxymoronic.

I wasn't thinking "pride is a sin" I was thinking about the scripture that says "pride goeth before destruction".

In the context of Vox's point, which is all about surviving (or avoiding or delaying) the destruction of our civilisation, it seems that he IS talking about something other than what we are warned against.

I'd like to know exactly what he was talking about, because I know from experience he really does know the scripture and he knows that words have definite meanings, and he typically knows what those definite meanings are.

That's why I suggested that I have misunderstood him. It seems likely, given that he's a fair bit smarter than I am.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 22, 2015 2:23 PM  

Oh yes, definitely a con-man.

Once you meet one, you know what to look for, in fact you can't help but constantly scan for it. And yes, Scalzi is unquestionably one of them.

I am willing to bet that Vox's inbox, is filled with stories about Scalzi, sent by people who were delighted to hear that there was someone who could him harm in someway, anyway at all.

Funny thing about con-men, in my experience it runs in families..

Blogger grendel April 22, 2015 2:47 PM  

Marissa, it's done by heel stick, it's called a PKU in our neck of the woods.

Blogger RC April 22, 2015 2:47 PM  

God has used the raising of our five children to shape and sharpen me in ways that nothing else has even approached. They truly are a blessing.

To the parent above who was undercut with his children: Especially if you homeschool, others will be tempted to undercut you out of the guilt that comes merely with your presence. For years I tried to be tolerant of these types, but finding that it just never ceased I became very hardened regarding any such intrusions into parental authority. We have fewer but closer friends now.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 3:12 PM  

" . . . intrusions into parental authority."

Precisely this. This busy-body culture is out of control. People need to learn to leave well enough alone.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz April 22, 2015 3:13 PM  

Marissa,

Here's the privacy information from Washington State on the PKU test (thanks, grendel, I could not recall the acronym):

http://www.doh.wa.gov/YouandYourFamily/InfantsChildrenandTeens/NewbornScreening/PrivacyPolicies

Note that if one of those blood disorders runs in the family the usual caveats apply (as in you should probably do one).

Blogger Marissa April 22, 2015 3:28 PM  

Thank you both for the info.

Anonymous neugieriger_frager April 22, 2015 3:33 PM  

One question I have is: with automation displacing jobs combined with a crumbling economy, how does one plan to support these kids, and then have them support themselves?

Anonymous Curlytop April 22, 2015 3:34 PM  

Always adore these threads!

Congratulations to all the new Ilk pregnancies and births! :-)

Back to my brood...

Anonymous JRL April 22, 2015 3:35 PM  

In Washington State, you can only decline PKU test if it is against your religious beliefs.

The blood disorders screened for are so rare, you likely won't have any family history of it.

I have a birth plan which includes declining the Vitamin K shot

You probably are, but be prepared to supplement w/Vit K orally.


Anonymous Banjo April 22, 2015 3:37 PM  

Concur with MendoScot. After lots of medical issues we were blessed with our first and only when we were 29. Unable to carry to term after that and now (after bleeding internally for 3 days... wife, she is tough) the plumbing is no longer there.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat April 22, 2015 3:42 PM  

However, I've got a bunch (7) of little kids running around my house who cannot handle stairs safely on a regular basis. I'm terrified that they would defeat whatever safety measures I put in place and shoot each other by accident.

I've yet to see a kid defeat a safe with a knob-based lock. It doesn't have to be a two-hour lock either, just make something that can't get bypassed with a screwdriver or something simple, and you should be fine.

Best safety measure for a kid with a gun is to prove that guns aren't toys. Take them to a shoot with someone willing to shoot milk cartons, melons, etc. Show them the guns, and show them what the bullets do to the items. Your goal is to show soft tissue-like items exploding. Then explain how that guns don't magically go off, and that they only fire when the trigger is pulled. At this point, follow the standard 4 rules for gun safety with the kids.

Take the kids shooting whenever asked (within reason), and you should completely keep the mystery out of it. No mystery, no desire to break the rules and play with the gun. At least from my experience.

Blogger Danby April 22, 2015 3:47 PM  

how does one plan to support these kids, and then have them support themselves?

Honestly, that's just lame.

Work hard, be smart, work hard, seize opportunities, work hard, make yourself anti-fragile, work hard, that's how.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz April 22, 2015 4:01 PM  

@JRL:

Officially, of course. I simply said "No PKU" on my first go-round in the hospital. My other two were at home. The phlebotomist was so shocked that someone declined she did not even have me sign the form. A terrible lapse of procedure on her part, among the many that occurred there.

Officious rules can be ignored, if you are in command.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz April 22, 2015 4:04 PM  

@Kentucky:

Our boys watch the pigs get slaughtered every year since they were old enough to stand. They got the concept. I like the rest of your process too.

Blogger Danby April 22, 2015 4:14 PM  

The key to managing your own health care in the hospital is to learn the jargon. They can mandate that the employees do things, they cannot mandate that you accept them.

A key phrase is the "AMA form" AMA means Against Medical Advice. It's what they need you to sign for their "get out of lawsuit free" card. When they insist on a procedure you don't want, tell them you will sign an AMA form, but you're not having the procedure.
When they delay and drag their feet, which they will, get up and walk out. You see, until you sign that form, you're on their dime. They're liable for everything that happens to you. It's amazing how fast it can show up when you're walking out the door.
The key to saying "no" is meaning it. No negotiation, no compromise. No.

Blogger stevo April 22, 2015 4:15 PM  

Vasectomies piss me off. Good luck on having more. Never too late (not actually true but take in the spirit it was given)... I bitterly regret waiting 5 years only to discover infertility. As we made international adoption plans we eventually had a girl and later a boy of our own. Still hoping for more but we're too busy to be overly concerned.

Blogger stevo April 22, 2015 4:29 PM  

Vasectomies piss me off. Good luck on having more. Never too late (not actually true but take in the spirit it was given)... I bitterly regret waiting 5 years only to discover infertility. As we made international adoption plans we eventually had a girl and later a boy of our own. Still hoping for more but we're too busy to be overly concerned.

Blogger stevo April 22, 2015 4:29 PM  

Vasectomies piss me off. Good luck on having more. Never too late (not actually true but take in the spirit it was given)... I bitterly regret waiting 5 years only to discover infertility. As we made international adoption plans we eventually had a girl and later a boy of our own. Still hoping for more but we're too busy to be overly concerned.

Anonymous Gecko April 22, 2015 4:48 PM  

Homebirth your children with a midwife.
Watch out or Nate will get on your case for being a hippie.

Especially if you homeschool, others will be tempted to undercut you out of the guilt that comes merely with your presence.
This a thousand times. The guilt factor is so obvious when they see how well homeschooling is working for our children. Guilt here, guilt there, guilt guilt everywhere. Sadly, many would rather live in denial, bringing others down with them, than repent. Call them to repentance if you can. Shame them if you can't.

El Borak, thanks for the foster care tip. To be honest, we haven't really explored that avenue yet.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 22, 2015 4:54 PM  

There is another component too. we have to stop only thinking defense, numbers are well and good, counteracting brainwashing is essential but no matter what the Right is going to need to get a taste for giving orders and eventually someone is going to have to say "this is how it is going to be." with boots on necks.

The US right is so steeped in Enlightenment Nonsense and Libertarian/ Ayn Rand rubbish they are there own worse enemies anyway.

Anonymous Gecko April 22, 2015 4:58 PM  

When they delay and drag their feet, which they will, get up and walk out.

What you say is right, but everyone should plan for this option with the full knowledge that there are doctors who WILL call CPS on you for walking out. It doesn't have to be justified because you're guilty until proven innocent. Quadruple that if you're a homeschooling, gunning, unvaccinated, raw milk drinking lover of children. Factor that into your plans for where you draw your lines. Hospitals are a dangerous place for many reasons; best to limit your exposure in the first place.

Anonymous JRL April 22, 2015 5:40 PM  

The guilt factor is so obvious when they see how well homeschooling is working for our children.

Yep. More than a few times, I've told someone we homeschool and suddenly their attitude turns toward the defensive. They know they could be doing better for their kids.

Attitudes toward homeschooling are changing among fair minded people. The most negative reaction I can recall is someone cluelessly asking "why would you do that"?

As I see it, it's important to establish a positive vibe about what you are doing at the outset. Immediately tell them a few things about what you do that are clearly superior to the kind of education they will get in public school. Throw in a couple fun things that demolish the "lack of socialization" meme. "We have a co-op where families get together every week and teach classes, we go on field trips all the time, we do volunteer work..." etc.

Anonymous sevensofar April 22, 2015 6:15 PM  

Tell them you don't vaccinate and they'll treat you as if you just went on a shooting spree in the nursery. The brainwashing on this issue is mind numbing.

Anonymous strawberry_shortcake April 22, 2015 6:46 PM  

Just curious - How long have conservatives been out-breeding the liberals for?

Anonymous MendoScot April 22, 2015 7:36 PM  

We were a decade later, Banjo. But so were my parents, and I assumed that it would be so easy. It does't always work that way.

Blogger automatthew April 22, 2015 8:18 PM  

Children that have been to public school are dangerous, too. Their parents? Even more.

Guard your children with your social lives.

OpenID cailcorishev April 22, 2015 9:38 PM  

What you say is right, but everyone should plan for this option with the full knowledge that there are doctors who WILL call CPS on you for walking out.

True. A friend of mine's wife had their sixth child on the way to the hospital, and he found out that cutting the hospital out of the loop is considered grounds for CPS to meddle in your home and even take the child, in our state. Midwives are required to be licensed, and I think might be required to work through a hospital -- theoretically in case things go wrong, but it's easy to see how that lets the state meddlers track you through them.

Know what the law is, so if you decide to ignore it, you're at least prepared to deal with them.

Blogger El Borak April 22, 2015 9:48 PM  

David: The outcome is better than a bad bio family, for sure, but I question if it can ever match a good bio family.

It can, though the people who will have the hardest time with it are the existing bio family. I mentioned that we have adopted 3. The first (daughter Chili, now 17) was actually a second cousin of my wife, orphaned. Family was fine with that because, well, Chili is family. But with the other two, whose original names were Shardeveya and Tekhaya, it was a little harder. I don't need to spell out why.

However, 8 years later, Molly and Tabitha now fit into the family completely. Maybe it takes a decade, though in our case it was less. But if the parents do not distinguish between bio and adopted, there is really no reason for anyone else to do so. And from my experience, if you don't, they won't.

Blogger El Borak April 22, 2015 9:49 PM  

Gecko: you are welcome.

Anonymous A Visitor April 22, 2015 10:25 PM  

"So get some cabernet poured and some Barry White on and get busy, conservatives. Get busy…for America."

'Merica! What about ATB or Paul Van Dyk (yes, I know the latter is a rip off of Hemstock and Jenning's "Arctic") or Vigen or another one of his songs? Finally on the pre-79 Iranian love wrap up, try some Googoosh.

You always could go back to my senior year of undergrad for some inspirational music too...

Naturally, I do not recommend BroScience for procreative purposes. On that note, whoever posted that on Christmas morning last year, thank you! I couldn't get to sleep at 2 a.m., was browsing the comments section, and saw that...laughed hard and have made several BroScience fans based off that one video.

@GuitarMan, congrats! Yeah, if I can find a woman worth marrying, I'll be sure to make up for lost time.

@Sherwood, you're proof it can be done! The Foreign Circus, er Service (heh heh, that was from an IT homestay I stayed with in Embassy Managua during my internship in grad school), was and still sorta is my end goal. Trying to get in, for 5th year running (5th time taking the FSOT this fall and applying for that LNA Consular Adjudicator window that just opened for the fourth time). I always wondered how career FSOs who wanted families did it.

"Tom, getting over a fear of guns is like getting over the fear of any tool (I don't like chainsaws). You just need to learn how to use the tool correctly and safely, and get some practice occasionally."

This is spot on. Granted, I was raised with firearms and have no fear of them. Learning how to use a chainsaw was a steep curve and still a bit hesitant to use them, though that may be in part what happened to a sibling using one hungover one afternoon...

As far as pistols, I'd recommend learning on a Browning Buckmark .22. There's no recoil and you can develop proper shooting form. As far as shotguns, start off on a 20 gauge.

"Even if they don't have kids themselves right away, better for them to find a good partner and marry." As a 28 year old unmarried, I can attest it does not get easier as time goes on to find someone worth marrying. My best friend and his wife married when we were juniors in undergrad and have two kids. My brother and sister-in-law are finally (so happy for them!) expecting their first in their early 30's. Translation: start having kids young! My sister and my brother-in-law are not sure if they want them...I hope to everything they have them soon if they want them (she's two years younger than me). You can't outfox biology.

@JDC best of luck! May he bag a big one!

"I grew up in a conservative church, but I don't recall even once being encouraged to have children and grow a large family." We never were either. It still pisses me off what I'm learning about my faith that I was basically, for lack of a better term, robbed of when I was in grade and high school.

"The only place I feel I have been deficient is in physical combat. I've been investigating various ways to correct that, but have nothing really satisfactory"

I'd encourage all parents to teach their children or find a place that teaches them. Mine did a fine job of raising us but I so dearly wish my dad had taught me something, never did though.

Anonymous hausfrau April 22, 2015 11:59 PM  

"Seriously, the first thing my wife tells me everyday when I get home is what they've broken or destroyed that day."

Tom, if you are still reading, pop open gun safes are excellent for this situation. We keep two in strategic spots. They can be bolted to a night stand or a wall. We have 3 small children. They have yet to crack the code.

http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GVB1000-Mini-Vault-Biometric/dp/B001ABLN4A

OpenID TheConservativeDM April 23, 2015 5:05 AM  

Another fun tactic is to challenge those who make light of having more than the regulation 2.1 children. The next time somebody starts up with the ribbing about too many kids, look them dead in the eye and ask, "Oh, are we judging other people for their lifestyle choices now?" Your typical non-thinking moderate usually apologizes. The left-winger who relies on good natured conservatives to laugh off the teasing rather than make a scene will be thrown for a loop given that you've just called them out on their hypocrisy. Either way your blunt pride will make them squirm and think twice the next time they go to shoot off their damn fool mouths.

Blogger Sherwood family April 23, 2015 5:28 AM  

A Visitor: Good luck on the test! I hope it goes well and you get in soon. It can be a tough process to get in but it is an interesting job. Though be warned, the default setting for FSO is pretty left leaning, people almost die of apoplexy when they realize "gasp" conservatives have infiltrated the State Department.

As far as family at State: yeah, it can be done and lot of people do it. You just have to be willing to make some choices to make it work. My advice is that if you are not married you try to get that way before joining. The pool of dateable women at State is not that large and the ones in there are often pretty interesting pieces of work.

If I can pass any information on to you about things at State let me know.

Anonymous vikingkirken April 23, 2015 8:49 AM  

Midwives can attend home births in all fifty states, I believe. Some states require CNMs (certified nurse midwives), which a lot over half currently allow CPMs (certified professional midwives), who exclusively do home births. So you do not have to go through the hospital. Unattended births are another story--CPS does not like those. Which I find odd considering you could abort the child earlier that same day, and they wouldn't blink an eye.

Anonymous Hermione April 23, 2015 9:47 AM  

It is illegal for midwives to attend homebirths in Alabama. They also must attend hospital births under the supervision of an OBGYN, which paired with the fact that there are no birth centers and they can't deliver at home means that there are no "legal" midwives in the state. You can, of course, find one to use anyway and fly under the radar with it, though if you transfer to the hospital that often brings in CPS. People in North Alabama can go to the Farm, run by Ina May Gaskin, which is just over the border in Tennessee, but that often requires a decent amount of driving. Just FYI, really, in response to some of the comments :)

Anonymous Vikingkirken April 23, 2015 10:19 AM  

My apologies, I stand corrected. I know many states have legalized home birth and CPMs, and advocacy continues... There are states where it is legal but there is no licensing process, among other issues... Hopefully with time, things will continue to improve.

Blogger republicanmother April 23, 2015 10:25 AM  

I have six and my tips to affording them are:

Keep your clothes and baby stuff. I keep the baby stuff in the attic and the clothes in space bags tagged with size, gender, and season. I'm planning to put some major shelving in the garage to organize this like a filing cabinet of clothes. I keep shoes (without holes) in labeled boxes.

(Every time my grandparents gave away their baby stuff, they got pregnant again, so I'm trying to avoid that folly.)

Don't write in your homeschool consumables. It is advisable to digitize so you only buy curriculum once and you could then use it on tablets. I haven't gotten to this yet, but its a cool idea. Of course, you'll ending up buying different kinds to customize for your individual kids.

Buy seasonal stuff when it goes on clearance. I buy Christmas stuff the week after Christmas, I cleaned up on the summer/pool toys last fall, I got lots of little expandable rakes (that the little kids can hold) last summer for pennies on the dollar. Have a labeled bin in the attic or garage to store this stuff until you need it.

Hit the yard sales this summer when you're out alone or with the baby who doesn't talk yet. I grab whatever I think the kids might like and toss them in a bin in the attic that has their name on it. I enter what I put up there in an excel file to keep track. We budget $100 a little kid and $150 a big kid for Christmas and their birthdays. Needless to say, we often combine what they "need" into that in a fun way. By doing yard sales, you can come in under budget.

Being a good steward is important, but it is God who gives the increase. He will supply all our needs according to His riches in Christ Jesus. How do I afford it? Seriously, they don't know how big my God is.

Anonymous Hermione April 23, 2015 10:27 AM  

No worries :) . There are efforts to try and change that. I only know it because I've had to deal with it, unfortunately.

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