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Sunday, April 19, 2015

Critique by identity

I find it amusing how invariably McCarthyite the SJWs playing critic reveal themselves to be:
Over and over again, we see the mechanism by which power re-asserts itself when challenged. With a gymnastic leap, those on the defensive become the underdogs, cruelly repressed by the BBC, feminists, people from Islington, some nebulous “elite” or the suggestion that sometimes a female character in a videogame might wear a decently supportive bra.

The debate demands onlookers accept one of two contradictory premises, so there is little room for nuance and the argument never runs out of fuel. Is Farage a truth-teller or a race-baiter? Was Thornberry a metropolitan snob, or was the England flag itself a type of dogwhistle? Are the Hugo awards in thrall to a politically correct cabal, or simply making an effort to remedy an ingrained injustice? Whether it’s videogames, science fiction or Westminster politics, the underlying struggle for victim status is the same. And once you notice, it’s downright eerie to hear the same arguments – about “out-of-touch elites” who don’t connect with the tastes of “real people” – coming from the leader of Ukip and a guy who wrote a book called Summa Elvetica: A Casuistry of the Elvish Controversy.

There is no single answer and, at least in the case of the Hugo awards, it is not in the extremists’ interests to find one. Vox Day has built a small internet army on his manufactured grievance, and he won’t let it go lightly. If SFF fans vote to give “no award” in the categories where Rabid Puppies candidates dominate, he has threatened to ensure that the awards are never given again. It is a supremely self-interested move. Politicising the Hugos to such a degree certainly doesn’t help the nominees themselves, because authors on his slate risk being informally blacklisted by the rest of the community. Who wants to read a fantasy story endorsed by a bigot?
This is mildly amusing, considering how it is usually asserted that I am stupid. Now I am suddenly an overly erudite elitist? Okay, actually, that's considerably closer to the truth, but then, as an avowed anti-equalitarian, I don't pretend to be anything but an elitist.

The important difference: unlike most elitists, I have no desire to dictate or control the behavior of the non-elite. I simply refuse to let either the elite or the non-elite claim the right to dictate or control my behavior or my beliefs.

The last question is the most interesting. We might, of course, turn it around, as it rather usefully clarifies what James May keeps pointing out to everyone. Who wants to read a fantasy story endorsed by a Communist? Who wants to read a story endorsed by a feminist? Who wants to read a fantasy story endorsed by a Negro? Who wants to read a fantasy story endorsed by a woman?

Once the idea of judging a work on its own merits, rather than on the basis of who creates or endorses it, is rejected, then there is no reason to not judge works on the very racist, sexist, and ideological grounds that the SJWs claim to bitterly oppose. They are openly demolishing the very foundations upon which their incoherent ideology rests.

The Hugo situation doesn't "prove progressives right". Quite to the contrary, it has clearly shown their ideology to be not only hopelessly hypocritical, but intrinsically self-contradictory too. And if the article didn't prove it, the comments certainly do.

"They stand for intolerance, prejudice, fear & loathing and must be rejected with scorn, derision and at times, force. Their opinion and views are not equal nor are they valid so therefore they do not deserve to be given any air time or publicity."

Very well. We can certainly treat them likewise.

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100 Comments:

Anonymous historybuffer April 19, 2015 12:05 PM  

well, Sen. Joseph McCarthy WAS a progessive and thus a SJW (of the rare anti-communist variety, but still...)

Blogger doofus April 19, 2015 12:08 PM  

Vox, Vox, Vox. I predicted this some weeks ago in the comments. It is the "George Bush Syndrome." You remember George Bush, right? He was the bumbling, can't-string-a-sentence-together hick who fooled the Red Staters into voting him into office then, once ensconced therein, was the evil genius who somehow tricked all the righteous progressive senators to vote for the illegal war in Iraq.

That is the way they think. 1) Anyone who disagrees with them is the evillest person in the world and a dumbass. 2) If someone manages to trick them somehow, they must be incredibly evil and smart, because they are the Smartest People in the Room.

Heloooo Cognitive Dissonance!

Anonymous Grinder April 19, 2015 12:10 PM  

historybuffer April 19, 2015 12:05 PM
well, Sen. Joseph McCarthy WAS a progessive and thus a SJW (of the rare anti-communist variety, but still...)


You can change the definition of "inch" so you can fit more of them on a ruler, but it won't make your dick any bigger.

Blogger AmyJ April 19, 2015 12:10 PM  

"Manufactured grievance"

Ha. Just look at any bookstore's SFF section to see how grievous the state of things really are.

Blogger Nikis-Knight April 19, 2015 12:21 PM  

Ha ha. So self-unaware. Vox is selfish because the SJW non-cabal will blacklist anyone he merely likes.
Apparently you are supposed to take their insidious nature into account to minimize collateral damage, but never to strike back strategically. Because, power, so you have to give up.

Blogger Nikis-Knight April 19, 2015 12:24 PM  

They just don't know what to do with someone who fights back, even after the taunting and name calling have been deployed.

Blogger Jeff Weimer April 19, 2015 12:34 PM  

And they fail to understand that if they have an obligation to be intolerant of intolerance, so do we.

Anonymous Bz April 19, 2015 12:36 PM  

DEMOCRACY HIJACKED BY VOTERS in other words. Well, perhaps the comparison with UKIP is apt after all.

" If SFF fans vote to give “no award” in the categories where Rabid Puppies candidates dominate, he has threatened to ensure that the awards are never given again. It is a supremely self-interested move."

As we all know, fighting back, even by the same means, is an act of supreme self-interest. Why not just lie down and take it and die already? Take the hint. GRRM is in such anguish about this that he's losing weight.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 19, 2015 12:41 PM  

"Airtime."

Sorry but this is the brave New Internet World. Quite honestly we don't need their airtime. We got shut out so we just made our own spaces.

Anonymous Bz April 19, 2015 12:41 PM  

ANNOUNCEMENT: To counter the pernicious influence of Hugo voters, George R.R. Martin and Theresa Nielsen Hayden will in 2016 propose an alternative and superior voting slate, particularly intended for those who want to be on the right, that is to say, correct side of history, NYC publishing and social justice.

It will be called SAD SACKS 1.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 19, 2015 12:42 PM  

"Airtime."

Sorry but this is the brave New Internet World. Quite honestly we don't need their airtime. We got shut out so we just made our own spaces.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 19, 2015 12:43 PM  

GRRM is in such anguish about this that he's losing weight.

thanks. That actually made me laugh!

Anonymous Bah April 19, 2015 12:50 PM  

"It will be called SAD SACKS 1."

It will be called NO SACKS to indicate that its supporters are females and eunuchs.

Anonymous Anubis April 19, 2015 12:51 PM  

Let us not forget that when the USSR fell, we bought up some of their records & it turned out the only error McCarthy did was underestimating the number of commie entryists

GRRM is in such anguish about this that he's losing weight.

Is that satire because I would think this would make him eat more? Did he ever post on his blog a response about why he is wasting words on this instead of his new book? I got in a little too late to see what was banned & erased.

"It will be called SAD SACKS 1". Is that satire, I am losing the ability to tell?

Anonymous Peter Pan April 19, 2015 1:05 PM  

If they vote No Award, next year we should nominate as many of these rabbits' works as possible. It will be delightful to watch them ALL jump ship and decline nomination merely because Vox has them on his slate. We wouldn't even have to vote No Award then. There would be nobody left to vote for.

OpenID 0384f83a-e6b9-11e4-913d-bf5d82ef9e2a April 19, 2015 1:25 PM  

No, the lefty slate won't be called "Sad Sacks." It will be called "Sick Puppies" in conformance with the trend. Thus, we will all have a chance to vote for Sad Puppies, Rabid Puppies, or Sick Puppies! :--)

Anonymous kfg April 19, 2015 1:25 PM  

" . . . wear a decently supportive bra."

Patriarchal shitlord.

Blogger Noah B April 19, 2015 1:26 PM  

I very much doubt that someone like Scalzi would have bowed out if his work had been on either the SP or RP slate and been nominated as a result.

Blogger Noah B April 19, 2015 1:26 PM  

No, the lefty slate won't be called "Sad Sacks." It will be called "Sick Puppies" in conformance with the trend. Thus, we will all have a chance to vote for Sad Puppies, Rabid Puppies, or Sick Puppies! :--)

How about Angry Pussies? Someone with some artistic talent should get to work on that.

Anonymous JRL April 19, 2015 1:28 PM  

We are the "other" and they hate us. Preening leftist hypocrisy.

Blogger grendel April 19, 2015 1:31 PM  

A real conspiracy could rig the nominations so that all the nominees were sodomites of color endorsed by Vox, but if any of them withdraws, all the runners up that get moved onto the slate are Tom Kratman. Hear that Mr. Blue Jinn? Take a break from cutting beams into uprights and cross pieces and be about the business of writing 5 eligible works in every category. MWAHAHAHAHA

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli April 19, 2015 1:32 PM  

How about a "lonely puppy" slate where a single author churns out one work for each category in a particular year. Every novel, novelette, short story, editorial, etc... written/produced by said author is explicitly hostile to SJW agendas (e.g. Kurt Schlichter). Put everything up for sale for $0.01 on Amazon and make them all bestsellers with change found in couches. Author uses new-found celebrity power and wealth to take over Worldcon and renames Hugo award after himself.

Anonymous Lana April 19, 2015 1:33 PM  

On an unsurprising side note, Jeet Heer writes an article for The New Republic published on April 17th, then shows up in the Making Light comment section on April 18th.

Blogger FALPhil April 19, 2015 1:42 PM  

It will be delightful to watch them ALL jump ship and decline nomination merely because Vox has them on his slate.

This was my thought as well. They get so wrapped up in their own underwear, that it would truly be amusing to watch.

I notice that there is some polite, well-reasoned dissent being posted in the comments to Helen's screed, but they are being moderated out about as quickly as they are being posted. I thinkthat this is further indication that we have them on the run.

Anonymous REG April 19, 2015 1:43 PM  

" I have no desire to dictate or control the behavior of the non-elite. I simply refuse to let either the elite or the non-elite claim the right to dictate or control my behavior or my beliefs."

THIS-THIS-THIS! This is what Larry and Brad should be yelling from the rooftops instead of denying any alignment with Vox. The Guardian just said (note Damian disappeared) that the Sad and Rabid puppies were losers and whiners. Why, because in trying to get moderates attention, they fail to get moderates motivated. All that is necessary is to add something like - And we do not think that anyone else should get awards based on their belief that they can tell you what YOU should believe.-

Somewhat related, I had the thought that an award could become for, the best. Amazon already has a 'verified purchase' setting. if a con- Worldcon- Libertycon- etc. would accept the job of record keeper, sellers could submit a verified purchser licence/title tag with the sale good for one vote per purchase. The purchaser could send the vote (with his/her rating) and a dollar for poll tax to said Con address. A giant spreadsheet could be created and data entered say weekly, on the last day of voting, compile the results. Top 1, Top 25, Top 100. Yes, many holes in the logic but a good designer/programmer could work out most bugs. Added benefit to authors is that it would force the publishers to be more honest in paying earnings to authors than the present bookscan method. Like Martin said- the present system is broken, we need a fix.

Anonymous joe doakes April 19, 2015 1:44 PM  

Authors blacklisted because of politics, not writing ability? Precisely what Larry Corriea alleged when Sad Puppies began, not only confirmed but lauded, pour encourager les autres. That thinking may go over well in places where owning a kitchen knife is suspiciously violence-prone behavior; not so well in places where owning less than a brick of bullets is considered the same as going buck naked.

Anonymous Peter Pan April 19, 2015 1:50 PM  

Noah B April 19, 2015 1:26 PM I very much doubt that someone like Scalzi would have bowed out if his work had been on either the SP or RP slate and been nominated as a result.

I doubt it as well. It was not a suggestion so much as commentary on the state of the other side. I may not be as smart as Vox or others who read this blog, but I'm not so stupid as to hand my enemy a weapon in the hopes that he will decline to use it because it was his enemy who gave it to him. It was simply an entertaining thought based on reactions we have seen from those few left-leaning authors who were nominated this year. Either they were attacked by their own party, or they declined the nomination. But there are obviously authors out there who would accept a nomination no matter who voted for them.

Anonymous Porphryry April 19, 2015 1:58 PM  

I don't think the sjw really care about moral foundations or qualitative foundations I imagine that the only thing they care about are social foundations, thus it would be "bad" to read books that.aren't diverse enough/dont support diversity.

Blogger Noah B April 19, 2015 2:00 PM  

Now -- if we could get Scalzi to go on record saying that the would decline a nomination from RP -- and then we nominated him -- then things might get interesting.

Blogger Wyndie April 19, 2015 2:14 PM  

Never start a fight with men who have nothing to lose. The black-listing of conservative white male authors in S/F has been occurring for decades. The SJWS threats ring Hollow. #Rabidpuppies

Anonymous Phil Mann April 19, 2015 2:16 PM  

Now -- if we could get Scalzi to go on record saying that the would decline a nomination from RP -- and then we nominated him -- then things might get interesting.

Mr. Scalzi and his type have turbo-driven rationalization hamsters that would put any mere woman's to shame. He'd come up with something:

"That's just what Vox wants me to do! So to display my courage and moral fortitude, I am going to ACCEPT the nomination! Look at me! I'm showing THEM!! (And it would really show them if you help me win, too.)"

Blogger Noah B April 19, 2015 2:26 PM  

Right, Phil. Anything other than that very reaction would be a surprise.

Anonymous Dave April 19, 2015 2:35 PM  

So true Phil...you know their playbook too well.

Anonymous kfg April 19, 2015 2:49 PM  

" . . .to display my courage and moral fortitude, I am going to ACCEPT the nomination! "

But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose to accept the nomination.

Wait till I get going.

Blogger IM2L844 April 19, 2015 2:52 PM  

How is it that we are simultaneously envious and fearful of those we consider so inferior? Make your minds up, bitches. I'm continually astonished by the degree of what should normally be cognitive dissonance inducing thoughts able to be tolerated by these people. I really don't give a shit, but it is interesting that our victory will have the tangential long term consequence of saving them from themselves.

Anonymous kfg April 19, 2015 2:54 PM  

"Make your minds up, bitches."

Their daily routine begins with believing six impossible things before breakfast.

Blogger Jay Lucas April 19, 2015 3:00 PM  

The hamster has taken over, the hamster running is the point. It's like the "I'm not a psychoanalyst" person from the other day. The point is the campaign, the scenic route around the plain meaning of words... It's an addiction wearing the flesh of a man, one that steers the eyes towards the next twinkie or syringe even as the mouth explains why it isn't so.

The problem is the high functioning outrage addicts, the ones who can make six figures a year teaching or publishing while they feed the hamster and renovate their own minds. Walls of distinction are torn out, windows of perspective are painted over and the furnishings of sanity are thrown out or sold.

When the scientist appears before the crowd to say what is politically correct, watch for the scratching at their arms. The formula "As a Blank, I..." can sound an awful lot like "hey man, wanna buy my TV?"

Gets creepier everyday...

Anonymous Big Bill April 19, 2015 3:01 PM  

Vox Day has built a small internet army on his manufactured grievance, and he won’t let it go lightly.

First GWWM says you are a tyrannical leader of a non-democratic "party" (oddly enough, he wants a "vote"). Now THIS guy says you are a general "building an army". How long until they start writing about Vox's brownshirts, SA and SS?

Vox is not a general or a party boss, he is a lightning rod. He is not building an army, he is (by his words alone) attracting like-minded individuals who are coalescing around him. Vox is not a tyrannical ruler of a non-democratic "party" he is merely an individual speaking out.

They sense something scary growing out there in the dark of internetland, but rather than address root causes, they have persuaded themselves off some magical malevolent tyrannical power called "Vox".

They see him as a Lenin or a Stalin, when he is really a Marx or an Engels. No control. No power. Just words that ring true.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 19, 2015 3:06 PM  

Look at how much tom foolery has been caused by people taking that word "racist" seriously, we now allow absolute morons and cretins moral authority over decent people. (One can hope that Larry and Brad do not grant the SJWs moral authority, but they are conservatives so who knows).

But as we see in South Africa the natives are on the verge of purging the RSA of "guests" in a vigorous fashion (now don't you white devils get any ideas). What this means is the White SJWs are but a fart in a hurricane as far as history is concerned. Lothrop Stoddard was correct the "Rising Tide of Color" will sweep them aside so fast it will make us wonder why we allowed them agency to begin with.

Before any kindly gentle conservatives rush off to the fainting couches because I dare say that anti-racism is a fraud, prior to "racist" being elevated to heresy supreme we had a perfectly acceptable word with an appropriate definition and social stigma and that word was "bigot." But here we are being lectured by the fucking Scalzis of the world, the gods laugh at us.

Blogger The Deuce April 19, 2015 3:06 PM  

Are the Hugo awards in thrall to a politically correct cabal, or simply making an effort to remedy an ingrained injustice? Whether it’s videogames, science fiction or Westminster politics, the underlying struggle for victim status is the same.

So she tries to rebut the fact that they've subjected the Hugos to a politically-correct cabal, not by denying it, but by claiming that it's justified because "ingrained injustice." And all while accusing OTHERS of using supposed victim status to justify their actions. Brilliant.

Blogger Danby April 19, 2015 3:11 PM  

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Blogger Danby April 19, 2015 3:14 PM  

"Vox is not a general or a party boss, he is a lightning rod. He is not building an army, he is (by his words alone) attracting like-minded individuals who are coalescing around him. Vox is not a tyrannical ruler of a non-democratic "party" he is merely an individual speaking out."

Exactly. I have done exactly NOTHING Vox has ordered or even asked me to do. I have take a couple of suggestions where I thought they would advance my own interest. Of course my interest is in making the bitchez cry, and they were pretty good suggestions.

I hang out here because the level of discussion is so far beyond that of any other discussion board I've ever run across.

Anonymous Big Bill April 19, 2015 3:15 PM  

"On an unsurprising side note, Jeet Heer writes an article for The New Republic published on April 17th..."

What is a "Jeet Heer"?

If I cannot tell the gender of a writer, let alone their culture or civilization from their name, I really don't care what they have to say about mine.

They are so far from me, my people, and my lived experience that their opinions are inconsequential.

Anonymous jack April 19, 2015 3:16 PM  

If a strategy of mass nomination of pink sf/f by the Pups happened and they did not decline then everyone would have to be prepared to do a mass No Award on everything.
Considering it, that might not be a bad ploy for next year, followed by real SP and RP nominees in 2017; with a sweep.
The only fly I see is that Rolf Nelson's redo and sequel of the most excellent Stars came back is due out this next voting year.
This year, of course, we need to make sure he wins the Campbell. Maybe 2017 would be the better year to explode the Hugos; then rebuild them over the next decade or so.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo April 19, 2015 3:19 PM  

I think perhaps you are insulting McCarthyism too unfairly with this comparison.....

At least he was insanely focused on naming the Communist, which to be fair in hindsight was in fact all around him in DC, Hollywood, Ivies, etc. But of course there were too many Jews named in that as well, so their well paid handlers put a stop to that in what ...anyone? popular culture and the media. Witch hunt!! Was the cry. So we went from finding spies regularly to not digging too deep and the Soviets, then the Chinese getting nukes. Of course Israel got them as well albeit without as much need for secrecy since we literally just gave it to them.

This led to Cold War, progressivism uber alles, and now unopposed where we stand today. This includes the SJW as the clueless sheeple.

So basically one could see the abandonment of McCarthyism as leading to these clowns.
Unless you are simply using the common meaning of the term "McCarthyism" as purely a witch hunt mass hysteria.....

All kidding aside though, the one true thing I am convinced I know after all these years is that you and your people are either imposing their will and values on your territory or others are imposing upon you. This is the essence of fallen man and always will be. Quit expecting these clowns and one worlders to play fair with you. Quit moaning about principle or procedure. Get out and join up with whomever in whatever way you can to start dominating again. Or don't and we'll just fade away in non-peace.

Anonymous jack April 19, 2015 3:20 PM  

@Danby
I hang out here because the level of discussion is so far beyond that of any other discussion board I've ever run across.

Exactly: Well spoken. I have been on the wrong end of critics here, and, have, learned from that. Though, one or two of those barbs I felt were unwarranted.
Its life. Love it or leave it.

Anonymous Noname47 April 19, 2015 3:24 PM  

If they vote No Award, next year we should nominate as many of these rabbits' works as possible. It will be delightful to watch them ALL jump ship and decline nomination merely because Vox has them on his slate. We wouldn't even have to vote No Award then. There would be nobody left to vote for.

Will it even work out like that?

With SJWs their principles are highly flexible (as in you can't expect them to adhere to principle, let alone define and allow a standard for that principle that applies to everyone) and, just like a solipsistic drama queen, it's always about them and what serves them.

Also, they are shameless.

Still, it would highlight how insanely hypocritical these SJWs are to the moderates -- assuming the people who pride themselves as such can follow the [il]logic behind SJW stances on various subjects.

Anonymous Strelok April 19, 2015 3:39 PM  

Keep it up Vox. Dont back down one bit. They fear your views can somehow hop back into the overton window. It's their greatest terror.

Anonymous kfg April 19, 2015 3:44 PM  

"What is a "Jeet Heer"?"

It appears to be a primate.

Blogger kh123 April 19, 2015 3:44 PM  

So it's oligarchs conspiring to overthrow the commons - through democracy. Since playing that card's worked out so well in the past. And they have the chutzpah to charge that the other side's hanging the whole thing over the burner.

Thing is, as per the article, there is nuance, in the positions, arguments, and players on this side of the fence. Probably the other side as well, to whatever (lesser) degree. But we're never going to find out, since every Kowal-like croc tear that's shed in the press about "Woe is us, we may never know our enemies' goodness or nuanced truth cuz you alls witebred be hatin on de ladeys" only toughens the resolve of the players, that every call to reconciliation is suspect. Because at this point, it sure seems that way. By playing truth-seeker they're only going to escalate and increase the collateral.

Anonymous jack April 19, 2015 3:47 PM  

Read that piece from the New Republic. Quite the construct, wasn't it? Not much mention of the fact that both SP and RP were interested in a GOOD STORY and could, usually, care less about the makeup of the author. The article did not mention much, if anything, about fact that the SP/RP slates included some interesting folk that were not male, white and conservative, Republican, etc. A bit of writing weaving itself around the truth where it could. And, inventing 'truth' where possible.

I so love the smell of desperation in the morning, noon, and evening.

Blogger Desiderius April 19, 2015 3:49 PM  

Strelok,

"They fear your views can somehow hop back into the overton window. It's their greatest terror."

No, their greatest terror is that his views (and they are not his alone) can blow the overton window to Kingdom Come.

They are not mistaken.

Blogger IM2L844 April 19, 2015 3:54 PM  

With SJWs their principles are highly flexible (as in you can't expect them to adhere to principle, let alone define and allow a standard for that principle that applies to everyone) and, just like a solipsistic drama queen, it's always about them and what serves them.

The consequence is a society where it's apparently acceptable for hundreds to stand around exhibiting great tolerance for 4 guys expressing their sexual preference for gang raping an unconscious girl in plain view of everyone. I don't understand why SJWs can't connect the dots. It's painfully obvious. Their ideology is the problem not the solution.

Blogger Desiderius April 19, 2015 4:00 PM  

Every SJW argument boils down to "the dog ate my homework". They've evidently gotten away with making random shit up their entire lives. Luck's running out.

Blogger bob k. mando April 19, 2015 4:01 PM  

"No black person has ever done anything for my mom of any significance."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAPKqjFeXxA&t=13m50s

Anonymous Freddy April 19, 2015 4:08 PM  

"Once the idea of judging a work on its own merits, rather than on the basis of who creates or endorses it, is rejected, then there is no reason to not judge works on the very racist, sexist, and ideological grounds that the SJWs claim to bitterly oppose. They are openly demolishing the very foundations upon which their incoherent ideology rests."

Nice deconstructed reductio. Naked ideological gatekeeps in denial of their sheer foulness

Blogger Man. Cla. April 19, 2015 4:21 PM  

Maybe if you endorse eating food, the rabbits might starve themselves to death.

Anonymous KC9ZNR April 19, 2015 4:33 PM  

I very much hope this ends like Asimov's I, Robot story "Liar!"

OpenID cailcorishev April 19, 2015 4:39 PM  

When I saw that quote from the Guardian that you tweeted, about shutting people up with force if necessary, I thought, "Man, they're just salivating at the chance to put on the jackboots and do some kicking, aren't they?"

I'm having trouble figuring out what sort of dogwhistle is meant by "a guy who wrote a book called Summa Elvetica: A Casuistry of the Elvish Controversy," though. Is the fact that you used Latin-ish words supposed to be a sign of elitism or right-winger-ness? Is there a racial implication to writing about elves that I don't know about? What's it supposed to say about a guy --which would be picked up on by readers of the Guardian -- that he would write a book with that title?

Blogger Salt April 19, 2015 4:45 PM  

cailcorishev, I wonder if the book got a boost from that.

Anonymous McOxford April 19, 2015 4:45 PM  

I see Kratman is hammering away in the comments on that New Republic piece. That man is a joy to see work.

Anonymous Godfrey April 19, 2015 4:59 PM  

I LOVE IT! Rip off the mask and reveal these hypocrites for what they are.

Come one, come all! See the hideous intolerant hateful face of the Left.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 19, 2015 5:09 PM  

Hey Vox, feel free to use this on your website to give a one finger salute to these critics.

And lo, when the sun was setting on the West. A barbarian went on a mission of revenge. Raised by a family in a forgotten ruined suburb in Minnesota, he came. Answering the calls of misbegotten cowrads and howling hysterics of wimmens, he rode to meet his enemies. His sword cut through their craven namecalling and his wit pierced and ran through their hypocritical lies. Between the Fall of the Gods of the Copybook Headings and the Rise of the Angry White Males, there was an Age undreamt of. He cuts through their poorly conceived arguments and exposed their blatant hypocrisy and crushed their overflowing complaint box beneath his sandaled feet.
From CONAN THE LIBRARIAN

Blogger Jay Lucas April 19, 2015 5:17 PM  

"Come one, come all! See the hideous intolerant hateful face of the Left."

Aww, we gotta? Can't just sweep them under the rug and pretend they don't exist? If we just let them have their gender studies department... wait, what? Physical Science Plus Equality? Yeah yeah, that too, just so long as we don't have to look at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80
Auugh, burns, no more... anything but looking leftism in the face.

Blogger Edd Jobs April 19, 2015 5:18 PM  

The Guardian is threatening blacklists. Because tolerance!

Anonymous Wyrd April 19, 2015 5:55 PM  

...the Gods of the Copybook Headings...

Bill Whittle gives an excellent reading of this poem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx9--zQDfog

Anonymous jack April 19, 2015 6:07 PM  

kfg April 19, 2015 3:44 PM

"What is a "Jeet Heer"?"

It appears to be a primate.

I think you are being kind. [Or, putting down primates]

Blogger Joe Keenan April 19, 2015 6:17 PM  

I stopped reading Fantasy/Sci-Fi decades ago, the beginning of it's long, slow, sad decline was all too apparent to me even then. I had no idea how bad things had gotten until I tried to read some of the recent "winners." What's most shocking about the state of Sci Fi/Fantasy is the elites really seem to believe this crap is good. Perhaps, the conflict is really one of visions, one camp, informed by political dictum, the other by taste. The political perspective has no place for taste, while taste has no place for political dictum. What you all call the SJW, are caught in a circularity (like the robot running around the lava lake in I, Robot), politically correct writing equals quality, ergo, non PC writing equals non-quality. Vox et al are thus excluded by definition from consideration. It's a sad state of affairs all around.

Blogger Felix Bellator April 19, 2015 6:40 PM  

"They stand for intolerance, prejudice, fear & loathing and must be rejected with scorn, derision and at times, force. Their opinion and views are not equal nor are they valid so therefore they do not deserve to be given any air time or publicity."

And they are certain they are qualified to judge this?

If our opinions are so worthless, so in the minority, then why all the attention? Or is it that the struck dog yelps?

They will reject us by force? That is going to be amusing! I think that playground retort, "You and whose army?" is appropriate here.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 19, 2015 7:05 PM  

One of the best side effects of the Rabid Puppies campaign is all the new and entertaining commenters here. Welcome New Ilk. I love reading your comments.

Blogger Kull April 19, 2015 7:13 PM  

McOxford is indeed right, it is a joy to observe Kratman dropping in to give them the business on those New Republic comments. His kung fu is strong. I think he said he hated practicing law but he must have been good at it.
Pretty impressive for a leg.

Anonymous Peter Pan April 19, 2015 7:13 PM  

Noname47 April 19, 2015 3:24 PM If they vote No Award, next year we should nominate as many of these rabbits' works as possible. It will be delightful to watch them ALL jump ship and decline nomination merely because Vox has them on his slate. We wouldn't even have to vote No Award then. There would be nobody left to vote for.

Will it even work out like that?

Answer: No. They wouldn't have the foresight or the brains to jump ship. Some of them would, of course, but the others would be too motivated by the prospect of an award and simply stay on the ballot while simultaneously denouncing the slate, and still others would consider it a "triumph" over evil that Vox Day nominated so many pink SciFi works. Silly, I know, but that's how their minds works. Their "triumph" would turn to ashes in their mouth once Vox and the Dread Ilk contrasted their behavior with their behavior this year---it would be a massive exposure of both their hypocrisy and obvious politicizing of the awards.

The above is all hypothetical, however, and really wouldn't achieve much that hasn't already been achieved. As I said before, it's not a good idea to hand a weapon to the enemy in the hopes that he won't use it because it came from you. There's no guarantee it would work, and the potential benefit is far smaller than the involved risk.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ April 19, 2015 7:13 PM  

Email sent

I used to subscribe to PS off and on from late 70s to early 90s. As a kid I loved it because PS catered to garage inventors and average people having a spirit of exploration and discovery. Once they axed "Wordless Workshop" I lost interest.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ April 19, 2015 7:18 PM  

Pardon me--wrong post

Anonymous Sheila April 19, 2015 7:23 PM  

I'm still agog at the revelation of just how many are SJWs, and to what degree. I started reading GRRM years ago (I think I have books 1 and 3 somewhere), but the continual victory of evil (and the increasingly graphic descriptions of good's bloody death) got tiresome, so I stopped. Ironically, my husband (who reads only nonfiction) has been watching it, and I have absolutely no inclination to join him. To read GRRM's calumny against Vox and others just makes me more inclined to toss those books of his I have. Is he that addicted to the cash? I don't seem to recall any particular instances of transgenderism or woolly-headed Africans in his books (yes, incest and various other noxious habits aplenty), so what is his purpose in joining his voice to their chorus? At least when it started, the "Song of Fire and Iced" seemed a classic, European-based fantasy series. No particular unnecessary intrusions of diversity or overt preaching that I can recall.

Seriously, I don't understand what he gets out of this, unless it's simply the moral preening. Just more people I don't have any time for . . . the list is getting rather unmanageable.

Blogger Joe Keenan April 19, 2015 7:34 PM  

In her classic essay, From Elfland to Poghkeepsie, Ursula Le Guin critiques Katherine Kurtz's, Deryni Chronicles; they don't come off too well. Le Guin goes so far to claim they are not Fantasy, for what it's worth, I agree. I mentioned this because, I tried reading GRRM years ago and just couldn't get into him. Ice and Fire reminded me of Deryni, it may be entertaining, but it's not Fantasy. I&F reminded me more of historical fiction than Fantasy.

Anonymous jack April 19, 2015 8:38 PM  

Kull:

I went to New Republic and the comments and could find Kratman no where unless he is using a different on line name or they deleted his comments. I suspect the last.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 19, 2015 8:49 PM  

Jack: I saw Kratman's comments earlier today. I'll go see if I can find them.

Anonymous jack April 19, 2015 8:50 PM  

Qualify on above. Went back to NR and found some or all of the Kratman comments. I probably was skimming too quickly and ran over them. i doubt anyone deleted and then reinstated. Apologies.
And, yes, its a pleasure to watch Tom work.

Anonymous jack April 19, 2015 8:51 PM  

Thanks for the effort Lulabelle. Its all good now.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 19, 2015 9:11 PM  

No problem.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee April 19, 2015 9:15 PM  

The Guardian is all about kulturkampf to the point that I think it's their business model (ie let's run clickbait for prog-tards and watch the ad poundz roll in bitchez). Still, I have to admit I am surprised that SF fandom wars is such a priority for what is a distinguished icon of international leftism. Knowing that they will lose in the end makes this all the sweeter.

What would it take to get Obama to publicly condemn Rabid Puppies?

Anonymous Culture War Draftee April 19, 2015 9:33 PM  

Semi-OT, but Black Gate has bailed out.
http://www.blackgate.com/2015/04/19/black-gate-withdraws-from-hugo-consideration/

I guess I'm sorry to see John O'Neill inconvenienced, but it all ends up being a victory. People can either accept that Vox Day and the Dread Ilk can recognize good work, or the future of the Hugos will be nothing but Dinosaur Revenge Porn and No Award.

Blogger rcocean April 19, 2015 10:02 PM  

I'm always astounded at the how the leftists keep projecting their own Politics uber alles onto SP3. It seems that no matter how many leftists were nominated or how much Brad and Larry claim its about "good stories" - labels them as right-wingers trying to push right-wing fiction.

Blogger rcocean April 19, 2015 10:04 PM  

Actually it reminds me of the tea party. It didn't matter that the tea-party was focused almost entirely on financial issues and was open to all, the MSM kept claiming they were a butch of racist white people.

Blogger pdwalker April 19, 2015 10:24 PM  

"I have a dream that all children will one day live in a nation where they read quality books, not defined by the skin color/sexual perversion preference/gender of the day, but by the content and quality of their writing."

Is that too much to ask for?

Anonymous Daniel April 19, 2015 10:27 PM  

No, the reason why you give Scalzi a nomination is to put him on the horns of a dilemma: so that no matter what he chooses to do with it, he's damned.

But the fact is this: Rabid Puppies can simply continue to recommend a slate filled with good works that Vox views as worthy of note. It is his endorsement that makes them awful. In fact,had he found the nominees from Hayden's secret slate to be worthy, he could have put them on his own...and we'd be having the same damn outcomes.

Now, that doesn't mean it isn't fun to speculate what could be done next year, but the tactic of acknowledging quality alone has been sufficient to nearly destroy the entire award. That's the really fascinating bit. Simply showing up and shining a light has exposed just how badly the cockroaches had taken over.

It was as if Vox Day announced to the Hugo Awards that, "Hey, that War and Peace. That's a decent book."

And all the fell beasts of Trufanity howled in anguish.

This about moving pieces into place.

Just wait until we start playing the game.

Anonymous Stephen J. April 19, 2015 10:29 PM  

I always saw every SJW argument as boiling down to: "You've had your turn, now it's ours, so shut up and sit down!"

Which I would buy as an argument . . . In kindergarten.

Blogger Eric April 19, 2015 10:37 PM  

You remember George Bush, right? He was the bumbling, can't-string-a-sentence-together hick who fooled the Red Staters into voting him into office then, once ensconced therein, was the evil genius who somehow tricked all the righteous progressive senators to vote for the illegal war in Iraq.

This. GWB's ASVAB scores put him in the top 5% of the population. Higher than those of John Kerry, amusingly, who is breathlessly described as a genius (stop laughing, you). So (being generous to his opposition here) he's probably more intelligent than 95% of the people who were calling him an idiot.

The problem here is for an leftist the measure of a man is his intelligence. Being smart means people should listen to and respect you (and do what you tell them to do, damn it). If you don't believe in God, and thus bereft of a fixed basis for your morality, what else could make you better than those other people (whoever they are)? The only way they you have respect for yourself (since you haven't actually accomplished anything) is to believe you're smarter than everyone else, and further (and this is important) that your political views are an indication of intelligence. Because, let's face it, your SAT scores weren't that great. That's why The New Yorker and the New York Times have so many What's Wrong With Kansas? type articles. They know their audience.

So what is a leftist to think when GWB outmaneuvers his side on a regular basis? Because if GWB actually smarter than said leftist, it means the foundation of his self respect is undermined. His political views might not correlate directly with intelligence. He might not be "just bad at taking tests" after all. And if he's not intelligent, he's not special and isn't actually deserving of the respect he's always assumed to be his due.

There are only two ways out. Either GWB is an evil mastermind or somebody else is pulling his strings. Well, it can't be the first if you've been saying for years this guy is an idiot. That would make you wr... well, it's unthinkable.

Therefor someone else is pulling the strings (variously Rove, Cheney, Rice, daddy, and "the neocons"). This string puller is very intelligent - intelligent enough to know your political views are the right ones, but he's manipulating the president for his own personal benefit, unlike the right thinking people. Whew! You can hold your head high at your next PETA protest after all.

So this is how Vox got to be both an idiot and an evil mastermind. If he applies himself eventually he'll be an idiot whose strings are being pulled by The Straight White Male Dominated Publishing Industry.

Hey, it doesn't have to make sense.

Anonymous zen0 April 19, 2015 11:03 PM  

@ pdwalker

Is that too much to ask for?

Diversity fascists are affirmative action activists. Quality is not an option.
So yes, you are being unreasonable.

Blogger IM2L844 April 19, 2015 11:52 PM  

"Semi-OT, but Black Gate has bailed out.
http://www.blackgate.com/2015/04/19/black-gate-withdraws-from-hugo-consideration/
"


I find it odd that they don't have a problem with the Bay Area Science Fiction Association's Hugo award Nominee Recommendations slate which is directly linked to on the Hugo Awards own website along with others. Is it because they sport the Science Fiction Association moniker in their title as if that is a legitimacy qualifying attribute for judging what is good and bad science fiction? What is it, exactly, that makes them more qualified or more acceptable by the SJWs to recommend particular works of science fiction than us? Could it be because it's well known that people in the Bay Area are in a better position to judge what the right kind of science fiction is and, in any event, it would be uncouth to upset their delicate sensibilities with disparaging remarks and No Award campaigns had their slate successfully swept a few categories? Somebody clear this up for me and tell why nobody is swinging this hammer.

Blogger Cuca Culpa April 20, 2015 1:02 AM  

The Guardian is all about kulturkampf to the point that I think it's their business model (ie let's run clickbait for prog-tards and watch the ad poundz roll in bitchez). Still, I have to admit I am surprised that SF fandom wars is such a priority for what is a distinguished icon of international leftism.

Suspect it's sheer panic over outbreak of Disrespectful Nodding spreading out of the video arcade and into SFF. All clickbait yellow journalism websites (Granuaid, Gawker, Buzzfeed, etc) are freaking out at the effectiveness of simple consumer revolts. Recall Gawker lost seven figures and even today, the Calgary Expo called the police on the Honey Badger Brigade assembled off the property in a public park.

Their sole business model is manufactured outrage (in addition to their proprietary CMSes in the case of Vox Media and Gawker), and the public at large are walking away and costing them money after realizing the National Enquirer had better ethics than this bunch.

When GamerGate started I figured we would have a Congressional hearings like with Alan Freed and the quiz shows, but now I realize they may not survive long enough to bother. (The DEA will probably take care if the crowdfunding laundry problem too, ending hipster welfare.)

Blogger Cuca Culpa April 20, 2015 1:06 AM  

GWB's ASVAB scores put him in the top 5% of the population. Higher than those of John Kerry, amusingly, who is breathlessly described as a genius (stop laughing, you). So (being generous to his opposition here) he's probably more intelligent than 95% of the people who were calling him an idiot.

On /pol/ this is called 'hiding your power level.'

Newfoundlanders do this too. They wrote most of the Newfie joke themselves because they are intelligent enough not to take themselves too seriously.

Anonymous Gx1080 April 20, 2015 2:23 AM  

@Culture War Draftee

Why the Guardian decided to get on a nerd fight? That's easy.

You see, one of the greatest myths of Leftism is that those that oppose them are "on the wrong side of history", that resistance is futile, and that the future is a line to their "utopia".

However, if it's proven that they are mortals like everybody else, that they can be defeated, well, that robs them of their facade of invincibility, that besides being a tool for their own ends it also feeds their massive egos. That cannot be allowed. So, you see these hilarious examples of overcommiting.

Also, you know, thet get a lot of clicks by reasssuring their readers of their own self-righteousness.

Anonymous Scintan April 20, 2015 4:03 AM  

I was saddened to see that O'Neill decided to double down on his decision, and make an ass of himself in the process.

Saddened but, after his first refusal, I'm not surprised.

Blogger James Dixon April 20, 2015 10:42 AM  

> If he applies himself eventually he'll be an idiot whose strings are being pulled by The Straight White Male Dominated Publishing Industry.

Since Vox and Markku are pretty much "The Straight White Male Dominated Publishing Industry" at this point, that wouldn't be much of a stretch.

Anonymous Matt April 20, 2015 12:03 PM  

What is a "Vox Day"?

If I cannot tell the gender of a writer, let alone their culture or civilization from their name, I really don't care what they have to say about mine.

They are so far from me, my people, and my lived experience that their opinions are inconsequential.

Blogger Danby April 20, 2015 12:15 PM  

"Vox and Markku are pretty much "The Straight White Male Dominated Publishing Industry" at this point"

Heh. So true.

Blogger Danby April 20, 2015 12:33 PM  

@Matt,
"If I cannot tell the gender of a writer, let alone their culture or civilization from their name, I really don't care what they have to say about mine.
They are so far from me, my people, and my lived experience that their opinions are inconsequential."

shorter Matt:
"Only members of my own tribe are entitled to speak. All others must be silent."
How about Saki?, or George Sand? or Democratus?Is the sex and culture of the writer the only possible value they may have?
Die in a fire, you sexist, racist, bigot shtilord.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 20, 2015 3:49 PM  

"If I cannot tell the gender of a writer, let alone their culture or civilization from their name, I really don't care what they have to say about mine.
They are so far from me, my people, and my lived experience that their opinions are inconsequential."


Translation: Only guys who have small penises with the ends cut off are worth reading

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