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Monday, April 06, 2015

Entertainment Weekly libels Sad Puppies

I suspect Isbella Biedenharn is going to be hearing from her superiors shortly:
Hugo Award nominations fall victim to misogynistic, racist voting campaign
by Isabella Biedenharn

The Hugo Awards have fallen victim to a campaign in which misogynist groups lobbied to nominate only white males for the science fiction book awards. These groups, Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies (both of which are affiliated with last year’s GamerGate scandal), urged sci-fi fans to become members of the Hugo Awards’ voting body, World Science Fiction Convention, in order to cast votes against female writers and writers of color. Membership only costs $40, and allows members to vote for the 2016 nominations as well as the 2015 nominations, which were just released.

Sad Puppies broadcast their selection on Feb. 1, writing: “If you agree with our slate below—and we suspect you might—this is YOUR chance to make sure YOUR voice is heard.” Brad Torgerson, who runs Sad Puppies along with Larry Correia, complains that the Hugo Awards have lately skewed toward “literary” works, as opposed to “entertainment.”

Torgerson also writes that he disagrees with Hugos being awarded for affirmative action-like purposes, as many women and writers of color went home with awards in 2014: ”Likewise, we’ve seen the Hugo voting skew ideological, as Worldcon and fandom alike have tended to use the Hugos as an affirmative action award: giving Hugos because a writer or artist is (insert underrepresented minority or victim group here) or because a given work features (insert underrepresented minority or victim group here) characters.”

The other lobbying group, Rabid Puppies, is run by Theodore Beale (who goes by the name Vox Day). As The Telegraph reports, “Members of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America have called for Beale’s exclusion from the group after he has written against women’s suffrage and posted racist views towards black writer NK Jemisin.”

Fortunately, some sane voters allowed well-deserving writers to pull through. Ann Leckie’s Ancillary Sword and Listen was nominated for Dramatic Presentation, and Annie Bellet’s Goodnight Stars was nominated, despite having a non-white, female protagonist.

Plenty of members of the science fiction community have voiced their disgust with both sects of “Puppies.” Writer Philip Sandifer wrote on his blog Sunday, “The Hugo Awards have just been successfully hijacked by neofascists.” Sandifer’s post, which is worth reading in full, addresses what this disaster means for the sci-fi world:

    To be frank, it means that traditional sci-fi/fantasy fandom does not have any legitimacy right now. Period. A community that can be this effectively controlled by someone who thinks black people are subhuman and who has called for acid attacks on feminists is not one whose awards have any sort of cultural validity. That sort of thing doesn’t happen to functional communities. And the fact that it has just happened to the oldest and most venerable award in the sci-fi/fantasy community makes it unambiguously clear that traditional sci-fi/fantasy fandom is not fit for purpose.

As writer Joe Abercrombie put it:

    The Hugo Awards have never looked less like the future of anything.

    — Joe Abercrombie (@LordGrimdark) April 4, 2015
It should be amusing to see the back-pedaling from this malicious hit piece. It's like they have one tactic: call the media and lie. How fortunate that #GamerGate has demonstrated the complete impotence of the tactic.

UPDATE: They're scrubbing the article and title, but Daddy Warpig provides the archived original.

CORRECTION: After misinterpreting reports in other news publications, EW published an unfair and inaccurate depiction of the Sad Puppies voting slate, which does, in fact, include many women and writers of color. As Sad Puppies’ Brad Torgerson explained to EW, the slate includes both women and non-caucasian writers, including Rajnar Vajra, Larry Correia, Annie Bellet, Kary English, Toni Weisskopf, Ann Sowards, Megan Gray, Sheila Gilbert, Jennifer Brozek, Cedar Sanderson, and Amanda Green.
This story has been updated to more accurately reflect this. EW regrets the error.

They left out the only Native American. WHY DO THEY HATE INDIANS?

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165 Comments:

Blogger bob k. mando April 06, 2015 7:43 PM  

i would just like to point out that shitting on things is what Lieberals do.

you can either let them keep the Hugo in their crap stained clutches, smearing feces all over it

OR

they're going to try to shit all over the award by blanking the slate and making 2015 the year that lives in infamy as the 'No Award' year.

no matter what happens, so long as the Lieberals are involved, sewage is involved.

Blogger Krul April 06, 2015 7:45 PM  

The top commenters over there were raking the article over the coals when I checked.

Anonymous Daniel April 06, 2015 7:46 PM  

Say it ain't so, Joe!

I have not been able to stop chuckling for days now. If I haven't thanked you for this, thanks. I have never been a fan of watching massive routs, but this one is a classic - up there with Oklahoma-A&M 77-0 or Jag-Dolphins 63-0 in the playoffs. Such a beating, she is like a cartoon!

And it is still the 1st Quarter.

Skol Puppies!

Anonymous Steve April 06, 2015 7:49 PM  

I feel like I've just read a retarded edition of Pravda that somehow slipped through a hole in the fabric of reality from the Harrison Bergeron universe.

Is Isabella Biedenharn trying to win the Sabrina Rubin Erdely prize for journalism?

Blogger SirHamster April 06, 2015 7:57 PM  

How fortunate that #GamerGate has demonstrated the complete impotence of the tactic

Just wait for the "Sad Puppies are Dead" articles to pop up - then you'll all feel very ashamed of yourselves and realize how irrelevant you are.

Anonymous Godfrey April 06, 2015 8:00 PM  

The Left has failed. Their "civilization" is bankrupt and in decline. I smell desperation.

All they hold to now is hate. And it isn't going to be enough to save them.

Blogger Tank April 06, 2015 8:01 PM  

It's shameful how much I enjoyed that.

Hope VD didn't piss himself laughing.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 06, 2015 8:04 PM  

I considered buying an Abercrombie book but now I can settle it with no, no I won't.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 06, 2015 8:04 PM  

I considered buying an Abercrombie book but now I can settle it with no, no I won't.

Blogger S1AL April 06, 2015 8:04 PM  

You'd think they would learn from Gawker and just not get #gamergate involved. Those supposedly oh-so-scary, SWATing, hatemongery neckbeards. Because setting all of the buzzwords aside, they DID hit Gawker for 1mil in ad revenue. If I were in the media, I'd very, very seriously look at that and think "yeah, not touching that with YOUR ten-foot pole."

Anonymous jack April 06, 2015 8:05 PM  

I am so looking forward to voting. And, all the nice things to read [excepting a few of the obvious dogs].
This will be fun....

Anonymous Valiant April 06, 2015 8:08 PM  

Vox, is the title that you quoted for the article, the title that was up when you viewed it? If so, they have changed.

Blogger David April 06, 2015 8:08 PM  

Already the original title was sent to Orwell's Memory Hole.

Blogger David April 06, 2015 8:09 PM  

The URL hasn't changed, however, and it has the original title word for word.

How do these incompetent people avoid living in a box under a bridge?

Blogger Vox April 06, 2015 8:13 PM  

Vox, is the title that you quoted for the article, the title that was up when you viewed it? If so, they have changed.

Yes.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 06, 2015 8:18 PM  

Larry is pissed. He just says on Facebook that he's had enough and now attorneys are involved.

Anonymous FP April 06, 2015 8:18 PM  

Telegraph gets in on it as well, via Kotaku in Action:

https://archive.today/hzIeX

"Hugo Award nominations spark row over diversity in sci-fi
Sci-fi awards have been roped into GamerGate-style furore"

Blogger Krul April 06, 2015 8:19 PM  

Vox, is the title that you quoted for the article, the title that was up when you viewed it?

I also saw it before it was changed, and as someone pointed out it's still in the url.

Anonymous bub April 06, 2015 8:23 PM  

Biedenhack is auditioning for the Onion.

Anonymous Wendy April 06, 2015 8:40 PM  

I think nothing less than a full retraction and apology would be acceptable.

Blogger ajw308 April 06, 2015 8:41 PM  

Larry Correa is my favorite white male author.

Blogger Krul April 06, 2015 8:44 PM  

UPDATE: They're scrubbing the article and title

Really? It's still there, minus the title.

Blogger ajw308 April 06, 2015 8:44 PM  

Already the original title was sent to Orwell's Memory Hole.
No doubt after screen dumps were saved. Can't wait to see those.

Blogger JDC April 06, 2015 8:45 PM  

i would just like to point out that shitting on things is what Lieberals do.

Don't forget spotting the landscape with their decorative menstruations.

Anonymous SammyBoy April 06, 2015 8:46 PM  

Now added to the EW story:

"CORRECTION: After misinterpreting reports in other news publications, EW published an unfair and inaccurate depiction of the Sad Puppies voting slate, which does, in fact, include many women and writers of color. As Sad Puppies’ Brad Torgerson explained to EW, the slate includes both women and non-caucasian writers, including Rajnar Vajra, Larry Correia, Annie Bellet, Kary English, Toni Weisskopf, Ann Sowards, Megan Gray, Sheila Gilbert, Jennifer Brozek, Cedar Sanderson, and Amanda Green.

EW regrets the error."

Anonymous Friend of Bill April 06, 2015 8:49 PM  

"I think nothing less than a full retraction and apology would be acceptable."

Nope, money must be extracted. These types never listen until you kick them in the... wallet. They do it to their ideological opponents all the time, getting them fired and excluded from job after job. "They must pay" ought to be taken literally. Cha-ching! (Oh, wait, is Cha-ching! raciss?)

THERE IS NO PLACE for ideological libel in the pages of our media. Well, not "our" media, it's theirs and they know it.

Blogger Krul April 06, 2015 8:50 PM  

The article's still there, but now there's a correction at the top. Says EW regrets the "unfair and inaccurate depiction of the Sad Puppies voting slate"

Blogger dw April 06, 2015 8:50 PM  

"EW regrets the error."

They think they do now...but they really have no idea.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 06, 2015 9:04 PM  

The comments are great.

chasrmartin • 3 hours ago
You guys *are* aware that the Sad Puppies slate is racially mixed, has gay people on the slate, and includes a number of women, including Hispanic woman Sarah Hoyt, right?

Do you actually *care* that you're lying your asses off?


generates the reply:

Gordon • 2 hours ago
I'd say get hit by a bus but then I thought of the poor person driving the bus who's day your gross body will ruin.

So instead: log off.


Which then get's roasted in further comments. After a while, some brave rabbit jumps in to admit that while there may be women and minorities on the SP slate, they're all conservatives, so it's just as bad. Which then generates a bunch of replies pointing out the number of liberals on the slate.

The final comment that appeared above the fold when I just looked was

Flor D. Turra • 3 hours ago
so not only the Hugo awards but also this comment section is being hijacked by racist and misogynists


Run rabbits, run!

Anonymous Mike Mike April 06, 2015 9:06 PM  

This is quickly becoming my favorite time of year!

Anonymous Scintan April 06, 2015 9:07 PM  

Someone needs to be fired for that. It's time for the right to start demanding scalps at the same sort of 'offenses' that the left goes nuts over.

No justice. No peace.

Anonymous Sun Xhu April 06, 2015 9:08 PM  

It's been scrubbed some more. They've now removed the misogynistic and "all white slate" from the body of the article.

If you haven't already, it's time to get them to remove the lies about you too, at the bottom, VD.

Anonymous Sun Xhu April 06, 2015 9:11 PM  

Someone may want to point this fiasco out directly to her boss on Twitter: @HenryGoldblatt

I would, but I don't tweet.

OpenID cailcorishev April 06, 2015 9:15 PM  

Stories like this one and the Rolling Stone fake rape story are making it clear that, for a while now, SJWs have been able to call up a mainstream media outlet and have whatever fiction they relate accepted uncritically and printed with no verification process or concern for correctness at all.

If mainstream outlets get burned enough for printing these lies, maybe they'll at least start double-checking -- make a quick phone call to see if the people quoted even exist, for instance -- before running with a piece. That'd be a big improvement over the current situation.

Anonymous zen0 April 06, 2015 9:17 PM  

Can it be made into a class-action lawsuit?

I for one will cry myself to sleep tonight , and surely I must require some sort of compensation.

I don't feel I am in a safe place.

Anonymous kh123 April 06, 2015 9:19 PM  

A certain Primus song comes to mind.

Blogger S1AL April 06, 2015 9:19 PM  

"Someone may want to point this fiasco out directly to her boss on Twitter: @HenryGoldblatt

I would, but I don't tweet."


Done.

Anonymous pseudotsuga April 06, 2015 9:24 PM  

Just when I thought that they knew better, another example pops up, like a zit before prom night...
These people really are assuming that what they do is journalism, when it is nothing but repeating a one-sided narrative. I see that this "journalist" wants desperately to be the next Bernstein or Woodward instead of actually reporting the news. Everything she "claims" about the SP4 is sourced from attackers, without bothering to check its veracity--and either they can't tell, or they don't care.
I vote for the latter.
But hey, that's hard-hitting journalism in 2015. It might even make the Pulitzer just as valuable as the Hugo, if this keeps up...

Anonymous Roundtine April 06, 2015 9:25 PM  

If you haven't already, it's time to get them to remove the lies about you too, at the bottom, VD.

That will reduce the chances the NYTimes repeats them in an editorial one day.

Anonymous Roundtine April 06, 2015 9:27 PM  

Between this and the Rolling Stone piece, do you see how easy is it to false flag the media? We should be phoning in hit pieces on ourselves.

Blogger Bruce Lewis April 06, 2015 9:28 PM  

OT but funny: Hitler Reacts To Denied #GayWeddingCake

Anonymous RRTY April 06, 2015 9:32 PM  

Contact us-"Coming soon"

Really wish I could write a letter about this article to the editors, but I imagine they know what it would be.

Blogger Dave W. April 06, 2015 9:36 PM  

Larry Correia is PISSED:

"Damien was in the UK and his libel was against Toni Weisskopf not me. She was nice and let it go.

I'm pissed right now. I'm already talking to lawyers. I've had enough.

And to think, all weekend long SMOFs and moderates have been reaching out, asking me to play nice, and I even wrote that big blog post addressing their concerns this morning...

Then this libelous bullshit. I'm done. I'm fucking angry."

Blogger Dave W. April 06, 2015 9:37 PM  

That's from his Facebook page, BTW

Blogger Dave W. April 06, 2015 9:38 PM  

Larry's most recent comment:

"It is on. We are lawyering up."

BOOYAH!

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 06, 2015 9:39 PM  

The author of the piece is a terrifyingly formidable intellect.

Tremble before her brain power, you women nominating misogynists.

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My brain is now angry with me for reading any of this.

Blogger Dave W. April 06, 2015 9:46 PM  

And to top it off, Marston showed up in the EW comments using his 'yama' ID. It wouldn't be a true clusterfuck if he didn't show up.

Anonymous Fp April 06, 2015 9:47 PM  

"WHY DO THEY HATE INDIANS?"

Because leftists in actuality hate minorities especially the kind that rise up against them, now get back on your reservation Vox! ;-)

Anonymous p-dawg April 06, 2015 9:50 PM  

"After misinterpreting reports in other news publications, EW published an unfair and inaccurate depiction of the Sad Puppies voting slate, which does, in fact, include many women and writers of color."

This just proves that the awards aren't about the quality of the writing. They're saying that it doesn't matter which books are best, as long as the writers are the right kind of people. I don't think this correction is any better.

Blogger Dave W. April 06, 2015 10:06 PM  

LOL, Clamps claims he had to move because of "Vox's stalking". ROFL! The gammatude is overwhelming.

Anonymous kfg April 06, 2015 10:07 PM  

This is one hell of a puppies ROI.

Attack, attack, attack!

Anonymous Mike Mike April 06, 2015 10:17 PM  

"EW published an unfair and inaccurate depiction of the Sad Puppies voting slate, which does, in fact, include many women and writers of color."

Yet the Tags at the bottom of the article are still:
Hugo Awards
Sad Puppies
Rabid Puppies
misogyny
racism

Anonymous Sun Xhu April 06, 2015 10:20 PM  

They missed a GamerGate tag, then, Mike.

Anonymous Alexander April 06, 2015 10:26 PM  

So... 24 hours in, and they've managed to pull GamerGate and Instapundit into the foray.

Bravo. Truly, the SJW have outdone themselves. I am most impressed.

I thought the concerned moderates were warning us we'd have a backlash by now?

Anonymous FP April 06, 2015 10:36 PM  

Ace of Spades has had two posts on this today and Twitchy has a post up now:

http://twitchy.com/2015/04/06/entertainment-weekly-retracts-claim-of-misogynistic-racist-hugo-awards-voting-campaign/

I must say, I'm getting great value for my $40.

Anonymous beerme April 06, 2015 10:39 PM  

WorldCom membership: $40
Bottle of Maker's Mark: $45
Sitting back and watching SJWs meltdown on the internet: priceless

How often do you get to have so much fun while supporting authors whose work you enjoy?

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I April 06, 2015 10:54 PM  

A certain Primus song comes to mind.

Wynona's Big Brown Beaver?

Anonymous tiredofitall April 06, 2015 11:02 PM  

"Biedenhack is auditioning for the Onion." - bub

Speaking of which, its retarded little brother of a website threw up a nice liberal hit-piece that focuses on Vox and the puppy slates.

http://www.avclub.com/article/years-hugo-award-nominees-are-messy-political-cont-217574

The comments are of course filled with douchey liberal hand-wringing and veiled threats against the puppy slate.

Blogger SQT April 06, 2015 11:08 PM  

After reading a couple of Joe Abercrombie's books I am not surprised at all that he doesn't feel that women are the future of science fiction.

Anonymous Anonymous April 06, 2015 11:10 PM  

I love this. I have never watched something blow up on the internet before. I can only say, Fuck the SJWs and their kin. I am watching a revolution in progress

Anonymous sean April 06, 2015 11:13 PM  

Andrew Marston ( yama) is in rare form over there...

Blogger Dave W. April 06, 2015 11:16 PM  

Marston's hilarious. I almost feel bad slapping him around. (almost)

Blogger Dave W. April 06, 2015 11:18 PM  

yamamanama > • 27 minutes ago

Tell that count Spacebunny to stop stalking me.


Oh no he didn't!

Blogger Noah B April 06, 2015 11:28 PM  

They're so hateful and intolerant. What is it they hate us for, again?

Blogger Dave W. April 06, 2015 11:36 PM  

We have unacceptable Badthink!

Anonymous Lulabelle April 06, 2015 11:40 PM  

Hold up. I thought Marston was supposed to stay off the internet. Did I miss something along the way?

Blogger Dave W. April 06, 2015 11:46 PM  

You thought right. He's claiming he moved. Well, we know what his word is worth, but it wouldn't surprise me if he moved to get away from the Marshfield PD.

Blogger Markku April 06, 2015 11:47 PM  

They cut his internet as a stopgap measure to stop the immediate harrassment problem, but there was no agreement to keep him categorically out of the internet permanently. He probably moved so that he could get internet from another operator. He has not done anything contrary to the original complaint from Vox and his other victims, to my knowledge.

Anonymous Leonidas April 06, 2015 11:50 PM  

They left out the only Native American. WHY DO THEY HATE INDIANS?

I almost spit out my dinner. That just doesn't get old.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 06, 2015 11:51 PM  

Ok, thanks guys.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother April 06, 2015 11:59 PM  

It's either ballsy or absolutely deranged to talk about Vox's wife like that. Merely getting his ass kicked would be preferable to whatever Vox's Marston nuclear option is.

Anonymous Toz April 07, 2015 12:09 AM  

I'm seeing a possible way they might split the baby. Vote for SP3 candidates, reject RP candidates. Or vote for minority SP3 candidates, reject white guys.

Blogger SQT April 07, 2015 12:10 AM  

Yikes! Clamps has lost what was left of his mind. It isn't going to be pretty when Vox is done with him.

Anonymous kh123 April 07, 2015 12:14 AM  

I see Crippled Puppies on the horizon, this keeps up. Sponsored by the New England Wildlife Preserve.

Blogger IM2L844 April 07, 2015 12:14 AM  

See, Larry? This is why you never-ever give them anything that can possibly be misconstrued as an olive branch. They'll take it and poke you in the eye with it ASAP...every time.

Anonymous Friend of Bill April 07, 2015 12:16 AM  

"which does, in fact, include many women and writers of color."

Oh, so NOW it's all OK then. Isn't that................racist?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis April 07, 2015 12:20 AM  

They next line of defense is...well the sad puppies aren't misogynist but Vox is! They don't have the dignity to admit being caught in their bullshit and simply apologizing. No they have to do the guilt by association tact. Craven the whole lot of them.

Blogger Dave W. April 07, 2015 12:23 AM  

Marston's totally lost it. Completely:

yamamanama: "Vox Day is human garbage. He sent his wife to seduce me. See it on twitter her name is Space bunny. She is weirdly obsessed with me. I even spoke with my local police about her stalking. Vox needs to keep his wife on a leash. These are the stalker freaks we are dealing with here."

Wow, ROFL!

Anonymous tiredofitall April 07, 2015 12:30 AM  

@ Dave W.

Ooooh I don't see that ending well for Andrew at all. Is it possible to overdose on schadenfreude?

Anonymous Red Comet April 07, 2015 12:35 AM  

Time was a rag like EW wouldn't have printed ANY kind of retraction over this. That Rolling Stone thing must have made even these bottom feeders gun shy.

Blogger Mack Schuylkill April 07, 2015 12:40 AM  

L. O. L.

OpenID malcolmthecynic April 07, 2015 12:49 AM  

I suggest you all check out the comments in the Telegraph article. The SJWs are getting trounced. It's glorious.

Blogger S1AL April 07, 2015 12:54 AM  

Oh man. I would not want to be Marston right now. I'm far less motivated and vindictive than Vox when it comes to internet pettiness, but a list of statements like that would involve some very serious retribution on my part. I actually feel a hint of pity.

Anonymous Alexander April 07, 2015 1:01 AM  

There is not enough popcorn in the world...

Yes, stepping the stupid up to 11, that's a winning strategy, Andrew.

Anonymous Alexander April 07, 2015 1:03 AM  

So how long until the rabbits put 2 and 2 together and realize that they have waaaaaaaay more than just 300 sad puppies to deal with. The voters were the tip of the spear, we are now seeing the obvious signs that we have magnitudes of support behind us.

Blogger S1AL April 07, 2015 1:07 AM  

Probably right about the time they start answering questions honestly. Meaning: never.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 07, 2015 1:11 AM  

WHY DO THEY HATE INDIANS?

They only hate you when you're off the reservation, Kemosabe.

Blogger kudzu bob April 07, 2015 1:17 AM  

Speaking of Andrew, over on Twitter he's calling for scalding coffee to be thrown into Anthony Cumia's face. Sounds like a threat. Has anybody warned Cumia? Do the authorities know?

https://twitter.com/pure_impure/status/578293927138189313

Anonymous CurlyQ April 07, 2015 1:21 AM  

I cannot wait to see what Larry and his lawyers cook up for these people.

Anonymous Scintan April 07, 2015 1:24 AM  

So how long until the rabbits put 2 and 2 together and realize that they have waaaaaaaay more than just 300 sad puppies to deal with. The voters were the tip of the spear, we are now seeing the obvious signs that we have magnitudes of support behind us.

The great part about some of this is that they're now trying to tie the two puppies campaigns to Gamergate.

Imagine the voter roll next year if the Gamergate crew get pissed off enough to put down the controllers and shell out the $40. The "united" Gamergate/Puppies slate would sweep every award in a fashion that get huge worldwide attention.

I don't think the SJWs are thinking very clearly about this stuff, at all.

Anonymous Alexander April 07, 2015 1:40 AM  

Well, they've already gotten Breitbart, Instapundit, Twitchy, Ace, and Gamergate involved.

At this rate, Finland will have declared war on SJWs by Friday and yamamama will be in prison by the middle of next week.

And if gamergate bought memberships, we wouldn't need a slate - it would be such an outnumbering hoard of pissed off people that even with a completely diluted vote it would take everything.

I think at this point, the SJWs need to retreat and just be grateful that Vox hasn't set his sights (yet) on anything more ambitious, like suing the SFWA or reestablishing the Roman Empire, legal system inclusive.

Anonymous tiredofitall April 07, 2015 1:46 AM  

"I don't think the SJWs are thinking at all." - Scintan

FTFY.

Blogger Noah B April 07, 2015 1:55 AM  

"So how long until the rabbits put 2 and 2 together and realize that they have waaaaaaaay more than just 300 sad puppies to deal with. The voters were the tip of the spear, we are now seeing the obvious signs that we have magnitudes of support behind us."

Just like General Custer.

Blogger SirThermite April 07, 2015 1:58 AM  

One of the commentators on that A.V. Club article left this gem:

"John C. Wright is no prize, either [pastes two hyperlinks to Wright's blog articles] He uses that word, "Perversion", a lot. Probably not a lot of fun to be him."

Yes, being the Chesterton and Lewis of our time, and knowing the proper use of "perversion" along with thousands of other nouns...well, it must be absolutely miserable. Who would want the mastery of language and witty insight about human nature required to write "The Plural of Helen of Troy" when instead one could write the dialog for a preschool coloring book about how Jack has two daddies?

These are the same folks who will talk about "separation of Church and State" like they're quoting verbatim from the U.S. Constitution when they're actually quoting a man who backed the legal punishment of sodomy by castration.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 07, 2015 2:04 AM  

The URL hasn't changed, however, and it has the original title word for word.

Well, they finally figured that one out too. The old URL now 301 redirects to a cleansed version. But, the old URL with the old "misogynistic and racist" title still works. They don't want to stand behind the original story, but they don't want to lose the traffic either....

Blogger Steve Moss April 07, 2015 2:23 AM  

I just bought a supporting membership to Sasquan. I am looking forward to voting for Jim Butcher, John C. Wright and Vox Day.

Blogger SirThermite April 07, 2015 2:26 AM  

As an aside, anyone else notice how Damien Walter's diversity-focused article for the Guardian only featured photos of two lily-white female nominees?

Anonymous Friend of Bill April 07, 2015 2:43 AM  

"Just like General Custer."

I wouldn't make that comparison. Custer lost, true --- but his side won. Overwhelmingly.

Correct me if I'm wrong (could be), but I was under the impression that the original meaning of "separation of Church and State" was that it would be catastrophic for the State to interfere with the Church, not vice versa. Or for the two to act in tandem, as the Church of Progressivism does. But maybe I have a faulty memory.

Maybe we should be demanding a separation of Cathedral and State.

Anonymous kh123 April 07, 2015 2:48 AM  

"At this rate, Finland will have declared war on SJWs by Friday and yamamama will be in prison by the middle of next week."

[Deep within Lubyanka, the sound of heavy boots on cold tile, trailing behind a pair of motorized wheels that echo down dim corridor. Metallic door opens.]

Ah, here, comrade! Welcome! Pull up special chair of you. As promise, we protect you from all woman stalker, Indiani, and hate full of the puppy Finnchik. Nice dacha, plenty of smoke, we give you all whiskey Pete goodtime baseball Joe you want. But please, we ask only of what knowledges you have on the Western physic, Doctor Hawking. Or, fail of that, what you know of the mutant, Professor X. We... Hmm? Of course! Non limit of internets! Much most AZN chat rooms! Archer play on 24 hour State Television Channel, perpetual. All for you!

[Underlit hands slowly pet a flightless bird.]

Anonymous bolo-toto April 07, 2015 4:52 AM  

OT: (but probably some of the most important news to date)

Vox, you never seemed to get around to interviewing Dr. Jim Willie. However, I see you did Max Keiser. Max, keeping current with Willie. We are about there. I have info that we are going to see something historical and paradigm shifting in the next 90 days.

Willie here, saying we are entering hyperinflation (aka QE4) ..

From the latest, I had listen several times, making sure I heard him right, speaking about Vatican bank accounts..

I comment here as fooser77. My original VP handle. Do make sure you listen to Part 2. He talks about Hitler, and bankster satanic blood drinking from sacrificed babies. He admits, he did not always discuss those things. Coming from someone with a Ph.D. in statistics ..

Blogger Thordaddy April 07, 2015 5:06 AM  

SJW: You're a white Supremacist.
Vox Day: No I'm not!
SJW: Yes, you are!
Vox Day: No! I am not!

The End

Anonymous Peter Garstig April 07, 2015 5:29 AM  

"After misinterpreting reports in other news publications, EW published an unfair and inaccurate depiction of the Sad Puppies voting slate, which does, in fact, include many women and writers of color."

So in order to avoid to say that they fucked up, they basically say they just wrote what other people wrote. In fact, they told everybody how they do their job (journalism). They admitted that they are really bad at journalism and don't even do journalism 101.

All just because they are incapable of getting off the narrative. Gamma.

Blogger Lovekraft April 07, 2015 5:41 AM  

we're going to need an expression to describe leftist 'journalists' trying to sneak in slanderous stories until being caught on their lies. Something like 'poison pilling'?

Anonymous Ain April 07, 2015 6:03 AM  

"yamamanama > • 27 minutes ago

Tell that count Spacebunny to stop stalking me.

Oh no he didn't!"



Who is this Count Spacebunny? I'm picturing somebody dressed as Mr. Peanut.

Blogger Robert What? April 07, 2015 6:31 AM  

You would think that after the Rolling Stone fiasco, the SJW press would take a moment to fact check. You'd think... but you'd be wrong. They are so thirsty for anything that might reflect poorly on white males that they will run with anything with the hope that it is true.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 07, 2015 6:48 AM  

Before you all start running around like your hair is on fire when some turd of a SJW from the shallow end of the gene pool throws out the big gun of political rhetoric the word "racist" remember in their rantings they show as much racial theorizing as the drunks on Stormfront.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus April 07, 2015 7:09 AM  

Is the recent link to the Damien Walters screed dead?

Anonymous Randall April 07, 2015 7:09 AM  

It would be funny if VD were to write a book/novella/short story that is a satire of rabbit SF/F and then get it nominated for a Hugo award.

Anonymous Morgan April 07, 2015 8:09 AM  

I see Joe Abecrombie is mentioned. I did a review of his THE BLADE ITSELF at the Castalia House blog two weeks ago.

Blogger sysadmn April 07, 2015 8:10 AM  

The Hugo Awards have fallen victim to a campaign in which misogynist groups lobbied to nominate only white males for the science fiction book awards. These groups, Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies (both of which are affiliated with last year’s GamerGate scandal), urged sci-fi fans to become members of the Hugo Awards’ voting body, World Science Fiction Convention, in order to cast votes against female writers and writers of color.

Three lies in two sentences, and one is repeated! Impressive, but hardly an SJW record. The article is clearly written to inflame, not inform. It's too bad dialect doesn't work against Rabbits like these. Hopefully Larry will administer a rhetorical dismantling.

Blogger James Higham April 07, 2015 8:12 AM  

And thus the battle rages.

OpenID littl3x April 07, 2015 8:53 AM  

I don't know why they act like they have some moral high ground. The most terrible story I've ever read, "If you were a Dinosaur, my Love," not only got nominated, it won! If that's not some sort of affirmative action token award, then I don't know what one looks like. The fact horrified me so much that it pushed me to finally start on my own stories, thinking, "Surely no matter what garbage I produce, it will never be as bad as that."

Thanks for the inspiration -
A Woman of Color

Anonymous Blackbox99 April 07, 2015 9:23 AM  

It's amazing what the least hit of research into Sad Puppies' harshest critics turns up:
http://www.xojane.com/entertainment/reading-challenge-stop-reading-white-straight-cis-male-authors-for-one-year

Blogger Ben April 07, 2015 10:40 AM  

Correia getting piss'd = ultra popcorn.

Blogger bub April 07, 2015 10:43 AM  

re:POC

Using their source:

In the visible spectrum, white reflects light and is a presence of all colors, but black absorbs light and is an absence of color. Black can be defined as the visual impression experienced when no visible light reaches the eye.
Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black

Hence, white is the most diverse color (a little bit of every color), black the least diverse (a whole lot of nothing).

Blogger bob k. mando April 07, 2015 10:50 AM  

Darth Toolpodicus April 07, 2015 7:09 AM
Is the recent link to the Damien Walters screed dead?


the article is fine, the hyperlink is malformed. try this:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2015/apr/06/are-the-hugo-nominees-really-the-best-sci-fi-books-of-the-year



Thordaddy April 07, 2015 5:06 AM
SJW: You're a white Supremacist.
Vox Day: No I'm not!



well, to be fair, i don't know why you would demand that an American Indian be a White Supremacist.

your efforts would probably be better spent commenting at the blog of an actual, you know, White Guy.

Blogger epobirs April 07, 2015 11:18 AM  

"You would think that after the Rolling Stone fiasco, the SJW press would take a moment to fact check. You'd think... but you'd be wrong. They are so thirsty for anything that might reflect poorly on white males that they will run with anything with the hope that it is true."

Because they know for every case of a Rolling Stone getting publicly embarrassed there are a hundred other articles where the same thing completely evades notice except in conservative circles.

Often it's little things. One reason GamerGate took off was the obnoxious regularity you had to put up with articles on gaming sites that made you want to tell the author, "Screw you, too." For example, several months ago Jessica Condit on Joystiq saw fit to run a piece about a news story on Fox News being accompanied by a graphic that seemed inspired by the title logo for the game Bioshock Infinite. (Not that the game's graphic look and feel was especially original since it was intended to evoke a particular era but it was prominent in gamers' minds in 2014.) All well and good, hey look, gaming lurking behind the scenes in everyday life.

But the article didn't stop there. The writer decided it was clever to further suggest that the dystopia in the game was something Fox and its viewers would actively approve, because Fox and its viewers are, of course, evil. And if you didn't know, Jess is here to make sure you now do.

A small thing perhaps but when you cannot venture outside of explicitly conservative sites without encountering such jibes frequently, it begins to wear. Thus GamerGate became the collective embodiment of the "Screw you too" anger that had long been building. When SFWA members whose career earning are scarcely better than a minimum wage job began haranguing others that they had to write a certain way and include certain types of characters, solely for their own sake and not because it made any contribution to the story, did they really expect to never be opposed? Now that they have their immediately reaction is to use their default tactic of lying about their opponents. Because they cannot win on a level playing field.

Blogger szook April 07, 2015 11:22 AM  

Apparently, Vox's new favorite power anthem:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6RjP7MlXk

Blogger John Wright April 07, 2015 11:25 AM  

@ Steve
"I feel like I've just read a retarded edition of Pravda that somehow slipped through a hole in the fabric of reality from the Harrison Bergeron universe."

Bravo! Well said. May I quote you?

Blogger epobirs April 07, 2015 11:28 AM  

"It's amazing what the least hit of research into Sad Puppies' harshest critics turns up:
http://www.xojane.com/entertainment/reading-challenge-stop-reading-white-straight-cis-male-authors-for-one-year "

A classic example of this: If you go out in the morning and the first person you encounter is disagreeable, they're probably an asshole. If everyone you meet that day is disagreeable, you're the asshole.

Anonymous ll April 07, 2015 11:48 AM  

http://www.wired.com/2012/04/can-an-algorithm-write-a-better-news-story-than-a-human-reporter/all/

Anonymous ll April 07, 2015 11:50 AM  

http://www.wired.com/2012/04/can-an-algorithm-write-a-better-news-story-than-a-human-reporter/all/

Anonymous Difster April 07, 2015 12:01 PM  

SP/RP is even more entertaining than #GamerGate.

Anonymous 11B April 07, 2015 12:13 PM  

As Sad Puppies’ Brad Torgerson explained to EW, the slate includes both women and non-caucasian writers, including Rajnar Vajra, Larry Correia,...

Larry Correia is non-caucasian?

Anonymous patrick kelly April 07, 2015 12:36 PM  

This isn't just great entertainment and comedy gold, it's a case study in waging culture war. Pay attention and learn, this education will need to be applied when the broader war heats up more.....and it is heating up........

no fear, no quarter.....

Blogger Feather Blade April 07, 2015 12:40 PM  

Larry Correia is non-caucasian?

You can't tell by the Portuguese surname? That drops him under the "Hispanic/Latino" category on the census.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 07, 2015 12:47 PM  

Larry Correia is non-caucasian?

Yeah, but he's a white non-caucasian, a la George Zimmerman.

Anonymous sean April 07, 2015 1:01 PM  

NaturalBlues> yamamanama • 14 hours ago

Hey Andrew, why don't you tell all these nice folks about how you stalked and harassed Vox Day for close to a decade.

You know after which he called the cops and finally reported your pathetic ass.
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yamamanama> NaturalBlues • 14 hours ago

You seriously need to understand that "calling the cops on someone" doesn't mean "guilty of anything." Yes, he called the cops. Nothing came of it. For the things he claimed I did that are actually illegal, there's nothing resembling evidence.
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You've been legally banned from his blog, and your caregivers have been alerted to your antics.
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yamamanama> msmischief • 2 hours ago

Actually I haven't. I'm just not giving him an IP to trace me again.


https://disqus.com/by/yamathespacefish/

Blogger bob k. mando April 07, 2015 1:21 PM  

szook April 07, 2015 11:22 AM
Apparently, Vox's new favorite power anthem:


not enough Italian loafers and umbrella drinks. remember, Queen is always his preferred choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWZlWI783k


11B April 07, 2015 12:13 PM
Larry Correia is non-caucasian?



he's Hispanic, so he gets to check off the 'minority' box.

Anonymous 11B April 07, 2015 1:22 PM  

You can't tell by the Portuguese surname? That drops him under the "Hispanic/Latino" category on the census.

Portuguese are Europeans. Is Larry European, or is he a mixture of European and something else?

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 07, 2015 1:41 PM  

Portuguese are Europeans. Is Larry European, or is he a mixture of European and something else?

Are you trying to be obtuse? In US census categorization, "European" isn't a category. White/Caucasian is. Hispanic is. They are not the same category. Therefore you can be Hispanic and not Caucasian.

Blogger Blume April 07, 2015 1:52 PM  

You really are being stupid. Hispanic is define as having ancestors who came from Portugal and Spain or their colonies.

Blogger Danby April 07, 2015 2:35 PM  

The US uses left-speak, not English.
Caucasian is used as a euphemism for White.
White is used as a euphemism for NW European.
Therefore, Portuguese ,Spanish, Balkans, Jews, Arabs, and Slavs do not count as White. Italians do, because Rome.

Anonymous Alexander April 07, 2015 3:12 PM  

No, slavs are white. Because
1. They hurt all the peaceful Muslims that have been living peacefully in the Balkans since forever
2. Vladimir Putin

Anonymous Rufus April 07, 2015 3:33 PM  

We've even got miserable old Stuff being spanked over here for mindlessly parroting the "Sad Puppies campaign is racist and antidiverse" message over here!

Great to see locals ripping Stuff to shreds! Lousy journalism on par with Rolling Stones.

Blogger bob k. mando April 07, 2015 3:37 PM  

Joshua Dyal April 07, 2015 1:41 PM
Therefore you can be Hispanic and not Caucasian.


you can also be Hispanic and Caucasian, although i don't know why anyone would ever check that box.

that's what makes filtering out illegal alien criminal acts from citizen criminal acts so frustrating. the Census Bureau intentionally uses categories with overlapping populations in order to obfuscate the data.

Blogger bob k. mando April 07, 2015 3:40 PM  

11B April 07, 2015 1:22 PM
Portuguese are Europeans.


from a racial perspective, Portuguese and Spanish are both cross breeds of Europeans, Basque and a heavy overlay of north African Arab ( from the El Andalusia period ).

that's why they tend to be olive skinned, rather than white.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 07, 2015 3:55 PM  

rom a racial perspective, Portuguese and Spanish are both cross breeds of Europeans, Basque and a heavy overlay of north African Arab ( from the El Andalusia period ).

that's why they tend to be olive skinned, rather than white.


I suspect that they've been olive skinned since before the years of the Moorish conquest, and that the heavy overlay is actually rather light.

But otherwise, yeah. Part of the problem, of course, is that "white" is a meaningless expression. Northern European Celtic/Germanic actually means something that's different than Southern European Mediterranean, but the categories can shift and fade into each other to accommodate various narratives as needed.

Anonymous Alexander April 07, 2015 4:07 PM  

When 'white' is about how it affected other people's homelands, it is code for Northwest Europeans, plus any specific country we need to throw in to fit the particular narrative.

When 'white' is about the people of Europe's homelands, suddenly tee hee hee Iranians are 'Aryans', and Arabs are white, and everyone that can possibly be lumped in as 'Indo-European' has as much claim to the village green of little Titheringtondale-'pon-Worcestersauce as the next Anglo-Saxon, racist.

Anonymous 11B April 07, 2015 4:29 PM  

Are you trying to be obtuse? In US census categorization, "European" isn't a category. White/Caucasian is. Hispanic is. They are not the same category. Therefore you can be Hispanic and not Caucasian.

Why are you mentioning Hispanic when Larry's surname is apparently Portuguese?

The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American (except for Brazil), or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race"[8] and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.[9] Generically, this limits the definition of Hispanic or Latino to people from the Caribbean, Central and South America, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race, distinctly excluding all persons of Portuguese origin.

The question I asked, for anyone who knows, is what is Larry's background? And if all you can say is that he is Portuguese, then you are saying he is Caucasian. Is he a mulatto? Is he a white/indian mix? If Larry's ethnic mix is straight Portuguese, or a mix of various European groups, like the vast majority of us, then he is Caucasian.

Anonymous 11B April 07, 2015 4:46 PM  

from a racial perspective, Portuguese and Spanish are both cross breeds of Europeans, Basque and a heavy overlay of north African Arab ( from the El Andalusia period ).

that's why they tend to be olive skinned, rather than white.


Bob, the mixing you talk about is overblown. After all, the Blue Bloods led the Reconquista. You'd be surprised to find how many fair hair/skin people are Spanish. I haven't been to Portugal and can't comment on them. But my experience with the dark haired folks in that part of the world is that their skin is not "olive". Many of the dark haired folks I've seen in the Mediterranean and Balkans area have pale skin with black hair. Though their skin was pale white, they didn't seem to have that reddish color in their cheeks like some of the Northern Euros, especially the English. But I had no doubt they were white, and they did not appear "olive". But you still knew they were different from the British.

I imagine the mixing taking place today in Europe, even Northern Europe, is going to cause far more changes than that of the past. I don't think there is any blue blood-type mentality among Europeans that wishes to preserve their heritage like that of old Spain. One wonders whether there will be more natural blonds in Spain in 100 years than in Sweden.

Anonymous Stilicho April 07, 2015 5:38 PM  

@11B To-may-to, to-mah-to:

While the official United States Census category of Hispanic or Latino includes persons of South American origin, it also refers to persons of "other Spanish culture," creating some ambiguity about whether Brazilians, who are of South American origin but do not have a Spanish culture, qualify as Latino, as while they are not "Hispanic" (of a culture derived from Spain), they are "Latino" (which is short for latinoamericano).[6][7][8]

Other U.S. government agencies, such as the Small Business Administration and the Department of Transportation, specifically include Brazilians within their definitions of Hispanic and Latino for purposes of awarding minority preferences by defining Hispanic Americans to include persons of South America ancestry or persons who have Portuguese cultural roots


Hell, according to the census bureau, Giselle Bundchen is "hispanic"...

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 07, 2015 5:39 PM  

Why are you mentioning Hispanic when Larry's surname is apparently Portuguese?

The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American (except for Brazil), or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race"[8] and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.[9] Generically, this limits the definition of Hispanic or Latino to people from the Caribbean, Central and South America, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race, distinctly excluding all persons of Portuguese origin.


Because he calls himself Hispanic and primarily self-identifies as a Portuguese-American. And actually, you're quoting the OMB, not the census bureau, which accepts your claim to "Hispanicity" if you make it, regardless of where you actually are from.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/05/28/whos-hispanic/

Anonymous 11B April 07, 2015 5:58 PM  

Hell, according to the census bureau, Giselle Bundchen is "hispanic"...

Well they would call her latino, or is that latina? But they probably wouldn't use hispanic. Read this little blurb from the Census celebrating Hispanic History Month.

Hispanic Heritage Month begins on September 15 because this day marks the anniversary of independence for five Hispanic countries - Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua. Other Hispanic American Countries of Origin are Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico and Spain. In addition, on September 16, 1810, Mexico proclaimed independence from Spain on September 16, 1810, but acquired their independence in 1821.
...
All those whom it refers do still not accept the term "Hispanic." Other terms, such as "Latino," or "Chicano," have been suggested. Latino implies a background stemming from Latin America, or the world of Latin (Roman) influence in Europe. In this sense, "Latino" might include Guayanses, Brazilians, French, Romanians, or others whose culture is decidedly not of Spanish origin.


Anonymous 11B April 07, 2015 6:09 PM  

Because he calls himself Hispanic and primarily self-identifies as a Portuguese-American. And actually, you're quoting the OMB, not the census bureau, which accepts your claim to "Hispanicity" if you make it, regardless of where you actually are from.

I don't know the guy, so I suppose if he wants to call himself hispanic he may do so. Then again Jeb Bush apparently listed himself as hispanic on that recently discovered voter registration card from Florida.

The original statement I quoted from the EW article listed Larry as a non-causasian writer. So even if Larry calls himself hispanic, that's only half the picture since the hispanic designator can apply to people of any race. So what is this missing part in Larry's case? Is he hispanic and black? Is he hispanic and American Indian? Is he hispanic and Asian? Or is he hispanic and white?

If Larry is Portuguese-American or any other type of European-American, and assuming he is not some special case like Heidi Klum's kid, then Larry is European which means he is caucasian.

This would make the statement in EW incorrect.

So I ask again, is Larry caucasian? Whether or not he calls himself hispanic is immaterial. He has to have some racial classification even if he does call himself hispanic. Is that racial classification black, asian, native american or white?


Blogger Corvinus April 07, 2015 6:19 PM  

Hell, according to the census bureau, Giselle Bundchen is "hispanic"...

Well they would call her latino, or is that latina? But they probably wouldn't use hispanic. Read this little blurb from the Census celebrating Hispanic History Month.


Actually, Brazilians aren't considered Hispanic.

Anonymous Alexander April 07, 2015 8:45 PM  

They found another one, guys! George Zimmerman, Ted Cruz, Larry Correia, the worlds three-and-only (but counting!) 'white hispanics'

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 07, 2015 10:30 PM  

If Larry is Portuguese-American or any other type of European-American, and assuming he is not some special case like Heidi Klum's kid, then Larry is European which means he is caucasian.

And I answer again, European isn't a a recognized category by anyone. You're sticking with the OMB definition of Hispanic, but the US DoT, Small Business Administration and other state and local agencies that determine minority-hood for purposes of minority-owned business partitioning and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus all recognize Portuguese as a subset of being Hispanic.

So you're repeated question doesn't make any sense. his racial classification is hispanic. He isn't black, asian, native american or white. He's hispanic.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 07, 2015 10:37 PM  

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Blogger Joshua Dyal April 07, 2015 10:38 PM  

Of course, he seems to use that mostly for ironic effect. He doesn't seem to really care what he is except as a point of interest, I suspect, and culturally he's about as white as they come.

Anonymous andy April 07, 2015 10:39 PM  

11b
Why do you care so much about what color people are.

Blogger bob k. mando April 07, 2015 10:56 PM  

11B April 07, 2015 4:29 PM
And if all you can say is that he is Portuguese, then you are saying he is Caucasian.



are you dense? the Portuguese are every bit as 'Caucasian' as the Spanish ( from Spain ) are.

maybe slightly more Caucasian than the north African Arabs.

yes, using 'African' to denote race is ALSO an intentional attempt to derange the meaning of 'race'.



11B April 07, 2015 4:29 PM
then he is Caucasian.


ummm, duh? i already pointed out that the Census Bureau intentionally conflates a cultural marker ( their definition of Hispanic ) with racial markers ( Black, White, Native American, etc ). i already pointed out that they count white AND non-white hispanics. did you know there are black hispanics?




11B April 07, 2015 6:09 PM
The original statement I quoted from the EW article listed Larry as a non-causasian writer.


you're allowing EW to bait and switch terms. the original quote was this:
The Hugo Awards have fallen victim to a campaign in which misogynist groups lobbied to nominate only white males for the science fiction book awards.

now EITHER you're going to call all Arabic sci-fi writers ( like Saladin Ahmed ) 'white' OR you're going to allow Larry to call himself Hispanic.

you don't get to play it both ways. neither does EW, but you can see what sorry sacks of shit they are already.

their lying is exceeded only by their incompetence.

Anonymous 11B April 07, 2015 11:45 PM  

European isn't a a recognized category by anyone.

OK, but white is. So is Larry white or not? Even if he decided to call himself hispanic, he still has to choose a race such as white, black, etc.

This is from the 2010 Census form.

NOTE: Please answer BOTH Question 5 about Hispanic origin and
Question 6 about race. For this census, Hispanic origins are not races.

5) Is this person of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin?

a) No, not of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin
b) Yes, Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano
c)Yes, Puerto Rican
d) Yes, Cuban
e) Yes, another Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin —
Print origin, for example, Argentinean, Colombian, Dominican, Nicaraguan, Salvadoran, Spaniard, and so on.

6) What is this person’s race?

a) White
b) Black, African Am., or Negro
c) American Indian or Alaska Native — Print name of enrolled or principal tribe.
d) Asian Indian
e) Chinese
f) Filipino
g) Other Asian —Print race, for example, Hmong, Laotian, Thai,
Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on.
h) Japanese
i) Korean
j) Vietnamese
k) Native Hawaiian
l) Guamanian or Chamorro
m) Samoan
n) Other Pacific Islander — Print race, for example, Fijian, Tongan,
and so on.


It's debatable whether a person of Portuguese descent should even check the hispanic box in question 5, but assuming he did it in the affirmative, he is still required to answer question 6.

Therefore, what would he choose in question 6? Is he white, black, american indian, asian indian, Chinese, etc.?

If he selected white, then he is a caucasian, and the EW statement that he is a non-caucasian writer is incorrect.

Anonymous kfg April 07, 2015 11:48 PM  

I don't suppose we can all agree to call him Iberianoid and call it a night?

Anonymous 11B April 07, 2015 11:50 PM  

i already pointed out that they count white AND non-white hispanics. did you know there are black hispanics?

Of course I do. I am probably more of a raciss than you. Do you realize there are Chinese hispanics, see former Royals pitcher Bruce Chen.

Anonymous 11B April 07, 2015 11:51 PM  

11b
Why do you care so much about what color people are.


Probably because I am a double-plus bad raciss.

Anonymous 11B April 08, 2015 12:03 AM  

Small Business Administration and other state and local agencies that determine minority-hood for purposes of minority-owned business partitioning and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus all recognize Portuguese as a subset of being Hispanic.

That is not necessarily true. Here is a court case from NY state that had a plaintiff of Spanish origin, as in European, arguing that he qualified as a hispanic and thus ran a minority owned business.

“the son of a Spanish mother whose parents were born in Spain,” owns seventy-five percent of the shares in Jana-Rock Construction, Inc. See Compl. ¶¶ 3, 4. Luiere and Jana-Rock bring a challenge under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to New York Executive Law Article 15-A, New York's “affirmative action” statute for minority-owned businesses, because the law does not include in its definition of “Hispanic” people of Spanish or Portuguese descent unless they also come from Latin America.   The plaintiffs allege that by distinguishing among different subclasses of Hispanics, Article 15-A contains an explicit classification on the basis of national origin that should be subjected to strict scrutiny, and that under strict scrutiny New York's definition of “Hispanic” would fail.   Applying rational basis review rather than strict scrutiny, the district court (Neal P. McCurn, Judge ) entered judgment in favor of the defendants and dismissed the complaint.
...

In order to trigger strict scrutiny, such a plaintiff-like other plaintiffs with equal-protection claims-must demonstrate that his or her exclusion was motivated by a discriminatory purpose.   Because the plaintiffs do not otherwise challenge the constitutional propriety of New York's race-based affirmative action program, and because Luiere and Jana-Rock cannot show that New York adopted its chosen definition of “Hispanic” for a discriminatory purpose or that its definition lacks a rational basis, we agree with the district court's judgment for the defendants and affirm.




Anonymous Stilicho April 08, 2015 1:16 AM  

@ 11b and corvinis, you are correct. Brain fart on my part. I was thinking she was from Argentina. If she were, she'd be "hispanic" per the definition 11B quoted earlier. Which is absurd. As it stands, she is "hispanic" according to other govt bureaus, particularly for the purpose of racial handouts. Which is absurd. Which is only to be expected given the absurd nature of the racial handouts for negroes and the trend to expand the handouts to other favored groups based upon whatever definition captures the favored groups.

At the end of the day, Larry claiming "hispanic" and Vox claiming "native American" are hilarious black knighting techniques, hoisting the sjw's on their own group identity petard.

Anonymous Stilicho April 08, 2015 1:28 AM  

@11B that court case doesn't invalidate the wikipedia quote which used "other" to describe similar state agencies, not "all" but it does show that differences exist, which also highlights the absurdity of racial/ethnic/social group/voting bloc handouts.

Is there any doubt that a good German girl from Argentina would be classified as "hispanic" by the relevant govt agencies?

Blogger bob k. mando April 08, 2015 9:06 AM  

kfg April 07, 2015 11:48 PM
I don't suppose we can all agree to call him Iberianoid and call it a night?


no, because THAT'S WHAT HISPANIC MEANS.

i really don't give a fuck about what the US Census bureau is doing to derange the language.

"from Latin Hispanicus, from Hispania "Iberian Peninsula"


11B April 07, 2015 11:50 PM
Do you realize there are Chinese hispanics


also, Japanese hispanics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Fujimori
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyoto_Machida

i personally know a man who married a woman from Mexico City ... who's parents were both off the boat from Italy. for .gov purposes, she's 'hispanic', even though she's genetically 100% Italian. because she holds a Mexican passport.

Blogger The Bechtloff April 08, 2015 10:34 AM  

"Last year's GamerGate scandal"? You wish sweetie, GamerGate is this year too. And the next. There's no breaks on the GamerGate train.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 08, 2015 11:11 AM  

I grew up in a town where the largest single minority was Portuguese (as in straight from Portugal). One of my neighborhood friends who was born in Portugal and moved to the US when he was three ended up going to college in Arizona. He said it was a mistake, because down there everybody called him a Mexican.

Of course all this just highlights how stupid the SJWs are to make race a factor. As soon as you do that, the fights over who gets to call themselves what break out.

Anonymous Donn April 08, 2015 11:24 AM  

I wonder what caused Andrew to remove all references to SB 'catfishing' him in the comments section? He went on and on for at least ten comments with the same vile junk. Now it's all, 'comments removed'.

Blogger Thordaddy April 08, 2015 3:20 PM  

The debate over who is and who isn't a white Supremacist based on an exacting definition of "white" misses both the social construction aspect and the actual badthought which stands as the target of attack.

To anti-Supremacist, i.e., equalist, the BELIEF in objective Supremacy is degenerate, bad, evil and worthy of eradication. One's undisputed "whiteness" is mere confirmation. One's disputed "whiteness" is totally irrelevant. One's total lack of whiteness may or may not factor in depending on individual belief.

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