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Saturday, April 04, 2015

The Haydens take on #GamerGate

At this point, one has to wonder if the Toad of (formerly) Tor is a serious glutton for punishment, as well as, obviously, being the conventional sort.
Two observations here:

(1) Clearly, the Sad Puppy campaign is all about healthy fannish enthusiasm for particular people and books, not at all about vengeance, score-settling, or a desire to “hurt” “social justice warriors” and “hunt down” the “disease”. They’re all just nice folks who make jokes about puppies.

(2) Reaching out to #GamerGate, inviting them to join Worldcon: special.

To repeat something I said in the lengthy Making Light comment-section discussion of all this, here’s my own take what’s not a big deal, and what really is a big deal.

(1) To the best of my knowledge, the campaign to get a slate of specific people and works onto the Hugo ballot hasn’t done anything that violates the rules.

(2) As anyone over the age of ten knows, it’s generally possible to do things that are dubious, or scummy, or even downright evil, without violating any laws or rules.

(3) Merely running a campaign to get a slate of specific people and works onto the Hugo ballot doesn’t really rise to the level of “evil”, but it’s definitely “dubious” at the very least. Which is to say, it violates a lot of people’s sense of how one ought to behave, and if you do it you’ll incur widespread disapproval. Prepare to deal.

(4) However, running a campaign to get a slate of specific people and works onto the Hugo ballot and reaching out to #Gamergate for support in this…in effect, inviting a bunch of people who traffic in violent threats, intimidation, and “SWATting” to join our community…well, that rises all the way to “downright evil”.

For complicity with this, the Sad Puppy campaign deserves our comprehensive rejection.
Voting No Award for everything... wow, that's such an astonishing and totally unexpected tactic! Who could ever have possibly anticipated THAT? Certainly not these dreadful people who are, I am reliably informed, "downright evil". Now, I wonder what would be more evil, some perfectly reasonable works from the likes of John C. Wright and Jim Butcher winning an award or two, or leaving the Hugo Awards an awardless smoking ruin?

Meanwhile, Tor Books Senior Editor Patrick Nielsen Hayden launches his own attack on #GamerGate:
Does the desire to expand fandom mean we have to welcome every imaginable kind of person? I think a moment's reflection reveals that no, we do not. The SF convention that finds itself sharing a hotel with the International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers can probably be excused for not inviting them to come visit the con suite. Likewise, many people, me included, think that #Gamergate is an association of terrible human beings that we don't want to see joining us.
(shakes head) Do these people know how to do anything but double-down?

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85 Comments:

Anonymous Strange Aeons April 04, 2015 5:26 PM  

I wonder if all those scare quotes look like a cloud of tasty, tasty flies in Toad-O-Vision...

Anonymous Culture War Draftee April 04, 2015 5:36 PM  

So is PNH saying Ed Kramer & Samuel Delaney aren't welcome at SF cons? He should check his... whatever the opposite of paedo is, privilege.

Anonymous Nathan April 04, 2015 5:39 PM  

Compare and contrast this to Seanan McGuire's anti-Jonathan Ross tweets. It's hard not to see this as more ingroup politics othering those who are outside that group.

Now, honestly, it's likely we'll see No Award win in many categories. But they're going to burn down the Hugos in the process.

Anonymous noah b April 04, 2015 5:40 PM  

Ribbit.

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 5:41 PM  

I'd say we were a fly in her ointment, but that might give the wrong impression.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 04, 2015 5:44 PM  

The "do not follow" link you because they fear you.

You link to them directly so they fear you.

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2015 5:44 PM  

Likewise, many people, me included, think that #Gamergate is an association of terrible human beings that we don't want to see joining us.

Othering, followed by thoughts of exclusionary tactics. Shocking!

Do these people have any other plays in their book?

Anonymous Nathan April 04, 2015 5:46 PM  

So what's with Tor editors and No Award?

http://file770.com/?p=21708#comments

I’m sure Mike can guess my reaction to this turn of events.

While some or all of the slated nominees may be worthy, block voting is as odious to me now as it was in the 70s, and contrary to the Fannish tradition of stubborn individuality.

Perhaps it’s time to revive my old VOTE NO AWARD campaign.

Anonymous Randy M April 04, 2015 5:47 PM  

"The SF convention that finds itself sharing a hotel with the International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers can probably be excused for not inviting them to come visit the con suite."

Did he really want to go there? Hello MZB, etc.

Blogger CarpeOro April 04, 2015 5:52 PM  

Wait did I miss something? I thought they already had a joint convention established with the child tapers. At least I haven't heard they had disavowed MZB and her friends as of yet.

Anonymous Ecthelion April 04, 2015 5:52 PM  

So, suggesting a slate (or two) of books as worthy of Hugo nominations is no better than dubious, but 'no voting' works from those slates that received nominations is kosher? Never mind that she can't think even a single move ahead.

Blogger tweell April 04, 2015 5:53 PM  

Gamergate is as bad as the "International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers". Marion Zimmer Bradley, Samuel Delany and Edward Kramer are good correct-thinking SFWA luminaries!

The Nielsen-Haydens are world-class hypocrites.

Blogger ScuzzaMan April 04, 2015 5:53 PM  

"The SF convention that finds itself sharing a hotel with the International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers can probably be excused for not inviting them to come visit the con suite."

There's something eerily ironic about this sentence, given who actually cheerfully associates - and lionises - child rapists ...

Blogger CarpeOro April 04, 2015 5:53 PM  

Tape not tape. Autouncorrect for the loss.

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 5:55 PM  

Scalzi is smarter than the Toad. On whatever, he at least goes through a thing saying congrats to everyone, he likes all the best novels, he'll read everything... but if you think something doesn't deserve to win, then this is how you should use the 'no award' button.

He slithers around accusing us of blind slate without explicitly claiming we did, but that if we did it's not technically wrong. And how all voters should give things a shot.

Give Scalzi his due. Among the rats, he's the one that recognizes the ship is listing heavily to starboard, and doing what he can to make it to a lifeboat.

Blogger Markku April 04, 2015 6:01 PM  

Does the desire to expand fandom mean we have to welcome every imaginable kind of person?

Wrong question. Right question: Should we spare your lot as we take over? Answer: No.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 04, 2015 6:03 PM  

Scintan: "Do these people have any other plays in their book?"

Professor Culturewrecker diagnosed them as simple entities, best given a reduced instruction set.

Anonymous kfg April 04, 2015 6:05 PM  

"Does the desire to expand fandom mean we have to welcome every imaginable kind of person?"

Yes. When do the hard questions start? Not only will cheerful child rapists read SF, whether you like or not, they might even write some. They might win awards.

Am I sensing a trend in the comments, or is it just me?

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 6:05 PM  

Give Scalzi his due. Among the rats, he's the one that recognizes the ship is listing heavily to starboard, and doing what he can to make it to a lifeboat.

I've never said he's a complete idiot. He's a con artist and a two-faced snake with a forked tongue, but he also isn't dumb enough to leap into the line of fire when it is this obvious.

Blogger Alexander April 04, 2015 6:06 PM  

Awww, Vox loves us so much he gave us an easter egg with this thread.

Epic x 2 indeed.

Anonymous Nathan April 04, 2015 6:17 PM  

Interesting tactic. They don't go for the obvious links to GG, which would be Vox Day and Milo's articles, but they focus on Daddy Warpig. Wanna bet that Daddy Warpig gets "the weight of the community" thrown at him?

Anonymous Donn April 04, 2015 6:23 PM  

So actual child rapists get a pass but people with the gall to go outside the warren are worse than hitler. This is a messed up field I hope every sad puppy spanks them because those are some great stories but also to humble the wicked.

Anonymous Donn April 04, 2015 6:25 PM  

Vox which books did you get nominated for editing?

Anonymous Donn April 04, 2015 6:27 PM  

And rabid cartoon puppies must have copious foam around their mouths. It's a requirement

Anonymous Jack Amok April 04, 2015 6:41 PM  

Does the desire to expand fandom mean we have to welcome every imaginable kind of person?

I dont imagine a pack of hobos who busted into a guy's house while he was at work would particularly welcome him when he came home either.

Blogger Nate April 04, 2015 6:42 PM  

"Likewise, many people, me included, think that #Gamergate is an association of terrible human beings that we don't want to see joining us. "

Well... the Haydens are certainly free to leave.

Anonymous Nathan April 04, 2015 6:44 PM  

"Well... the Haydens are certainly free to leave."

Preferably before the genre's market share shrinks any further.

Blogger Yohami April 04, 2015 6:46 PM  

"it violates a lot of people’s sense of how one ought to behave, and if you do it you’ll incur widespread disapproval. "

rofl

Blogger IM2L844 April 04, 2015 6:52 PM  

So actual child rapists get a pass but people with the gall to go outside the warren are worse than hitler.

I'm not sure, but I think it works something like this: Never-ever do or say anything to upset the feigned delicate sensibilities of someone who subscribes to a set of moral/social standards different than your own. If they don't convincingly feign delicate sensibilities, however, it's perfectly fine.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 04, 2015 6:59 PM  

Give Scalzi his due. Among the rats, he's the one that recognizes the ship is listing heavily to starboard, and doing what he can to make it to a lifeboat.

He's getting paid by Rupert Murdoch now. He's trying to pretend he's a centrist again.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 04, 2015 7:00 PM  

Give Scalzi his due. Among the rats, he's the one that recognizes the ship is listing heavily to starboard, and doing what he can to make it to a lifeboat.

He's getting paid by Rupert Murdoch now. He's trying to pretend he's a centrist again.

Blogger Danby April 04, 2015 7:02 PM  

The SF convention that finds itself sharing a hotel with the International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers can probably be excused for not inviting them to come visit the con suite.

Given Marion Zimmer Bradley, Samuel Delaney I hope Patrick can explain the exact difference between the SFWA and the Cheerful Child Rapist convention.

Anonymous Steve April 04, 2015 7:03 PM  

Likewise, many people, me included, think that #Gamergate is an association of terrible human beings that we don't want to see joining us.

Joining you?

We have no intention of "joining" you.... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Anonymous Steve April 04, 2015 7:10 PM  

Given Marion Zimmer Bradley, Samuel Delaney I hope Patrick can explain the exact difference between the SFWA and the Cheerful Child Rapist convention.

The SFWA aren't cheerful?

Blogger bob k. mando April 04, 2015 7:12 PM  

Vox
(shakes head) Do these people know how to do anything but double-down?


i think you know that they do not.

their strategy, going back to the October Revolution, has always been to align themselves with other Leftist parties while 'othering' the Right-most parties and destroying them.

as the current designated scapegoat gets decimated and obliterated, the soviet turn it's eyes upon the next less Leftist target and destroys that.

this continues until only the Bolsheviks are left ... at which point they begin murdering each other.

to expand the voting pool dilutes the power of the block voting SJWs.

to drive out all of the non-ideologues + Rightists expands their power.

so far as destroying the award rather than letting it be reclaimed by Real Fans who actually, you know, like Science Fiction well, we know their answer:
But the other said: 'It shall be neither mine nor thine; divide it.'

Blogger Nate April 04, 2015 7:16 PM  

I would just like to point out that CH totally dominated the Hugos nominations.

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A April 04, 2015 7:31 PM  

It appears that the Game is afoot (with a link in to #GamerGate):

Beietbart's Take on Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 04, 2015 7:55 PM  

Wendell the Manatee has replied to the Neilson-Haydens on Twitter.

I quote: Meeehhooowwwww Eeeehhhooowwww Hoooooonnnnnn!

(*Cataline takes a moment to brush the tears from his eyes*) I...I am as you can tell deeply moved, by the eloquence of our spokes-trichechidae.

This clearly and obviously answers all of the pointless distractions and evasions of Great House TOR.

In the meantime we have some decent reading to look forward to, which frankly I didn't think was going to be the case. Then on to the final vote.

Blogger Markku April 04, 2015 8:10 PM  

Sigh. We were mentioned on Breitbart. I sure do hope the site is able to handle what comes next.

Blogger mmaier2112 April 04, 2015 8:10 PM  

Seems like a good place to ask:

Has there to date been a SINGLE provable death threat or SWATTING incident vs. the pussy SJWs for which GG could be reasonably blamed?

Blogger Zimri April 04, 2015 8:16 PM  

The SF convention that finds itself sharing a hotel with the International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers

No self-awareness at all. They didn't share the hotel with Kramer; Dragon Con was Kramer's hotel.

Anonymous Peter Pan April 04, 2015 8:44 PM  

My favorite was the tweet by Patrick Nielsen Hayden saying, quote,

"Pleased to be able to say that I got my own Hugo awards from fandom, not from Vox Day or Larry Correia."
@pnh12:42 PM - 4 Apr 2015

https://twitter.com/pnh/status/584440959376588800

It was obvious before, but now both the Hayden's are on record essentially stating the current voters involved in nominating the Sad/Rabid Puppies works are not "real" fans. It's like they go and read everything Correia, Torgersen, and Vox have been saying about them and adding each one to a list titled "Things We Must Validate."

Anonymous ftumch April 04, 2015 8:54 PM  

"Do these people know how to do anything but double-down?"

http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2015/04/elsewhere-156.html?cid=6a00d83451675669e201b8d0fb773c970c#comment-6a00d83451675669e201b8d0fb773c970c

This bit:

"Narcissists don't become discouraged; they become enraged. They double down. They strike back twice as hard. They make sure you pay for trying to defend yourself."

Also, when I read that Larry had declined nomination, I wondered why VD didn't? But then... hmmm... I can almost hear the heads exploding. Chuckle.

There's a lot more I could say, but I am knackered.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 04, 2015 8:59 PM  

leaving the Hugo Awards an awardless smoking ruin

I'll be honest: one hell of a strategy if you ask me. I'll laugh if this takes place.

Blogger IM2L844 April 04, 2015 9:12 PM  

Mr. A is Mr. A, April 04, 2015 7:31 PM:
It appears that the Game is afoot (with a link in to #GamerGate):

Breietbart's Take on Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies


That was the best conspectus of the current situation I've read.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 04, 2015 9:17 PM  

Given the membership of the SFWA I'd say they not only invite the child-rapists in, but they practically build shrines to them.

You know...despite my very slow march towards actual Christianity, I am starting to have a truly Inquisition/Crusade level fondness for the use of cleansing fire to fight these squamous creatures of the lie and mud that compose SJWs.

Anonymous Donn April 04, 2015 9:18 PM  

I know some of this was covered last year but can the SJW bunch 'no award' everything and trash the ballot while the real fans vote for their favs thus splitting the legitimate votes?

Anonymous Steve April 04, 2015 9:22 PM  

leaving the Hugo Awards an awardless smoking ruin

Sort of like when Dutch mortally wounds the Predator, and it cackles evilly and sets off the self-destruct sequence for a massive explosion.

Obviously Vox is Dutch, but who'll play the Predator?

Blogger ray April 04, 2015 9:43 PM  

'Tor Books Senior Editor Patrick Nielsen Hayden'


Is the Turd Senior Editor a disguise for legendary pussyboy Neil Patrick Harris? Dr Doofie Bowser? Or is the Senior Editor some random doppler-douchbag effect?

I'm pretty sure that God is capable of sorting who is evil, who isn't, and doesn't need the help of ideologue thugs.

Anonymous zen0 April 04, 2015 9:46 PM  

Markku April 04, 2015 8:10 PM

Sigh. We were mentioned on Breitbart. I sure do hope the site is able to handle what comes next.




WESTMORELAND. O that we now had here
But one ten thousand of those men in England
That do no work to-day!

KING. What’s he that wishes so?
My cousin, Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark’d to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God’s will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God’s peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man’s company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call’d the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam’d,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say “To-morrow is Saint Crispian.”
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say “These wounds I had on Crispin's day.”
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb’red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.


I know there was a Shakespeare quote ban back in the day, but this never gets old.

Anonymous zen0 April 04, 2015 9:59 PM  

Alternate take....2008 Detroit Lions.

Shovel is Sharp, Will is Outstanding

Blogger Feather Blade April 04, 2015 10:06 PM  

Commenter Robert Reynolds here: http://karyenglish.com/2015/04/the-disavowal/
is troubled by the number of Castalia House entries that won nominations.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 04, 2015 10:13 PM  

Sorry Patrick, but we've got our own club With blackjack. And hookers.

And our hookers are much, much more beautiful than your women.

Anonymous Ain April 04, 2015 10:27 PM  

"The SF convention that finds itself sharing a hotel with the International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers can probably be excused for not inviting them to come visit the con suite."

Nah, they'll just give them a lifetime achievement award and call it a day.

Somebody probably already beat me to that but it deserves repeating. Often.

Anonymous zen0 April 04, 2015 10:30 PM  

@ Giuseppe

You know...despite my very slow march towards actual Christianity, I am starting to have a truly Inquisition/Crusade level fondness for the use of cleansing fire to fight these squamous creatures of the lie and mud that compose SJWs.

When you visit their websites, speak from a position of authority.

SJW bitches love the bad boy.

Blogger P.T. Barnumium April 04, 2015 10:46 PM  

"The SF convention that finds itself sharing a hotel with the International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers can probably be excused for not inviting them to come visit the con suite."

If the SF convention in question was organised by the SFWA then it would doubtless be the 'Cheerful' aspect of the child-rapists that would put them off.

We already know they SFWA cannot bring itself to reject these monsters but it is reasonable to assume that they would prefer their child-rapists to be dour, humourless, judgemental, holier than though & passive aggressive, just to fit in.

Blogger Rich Vail April 04, 2015 10:47 PM  

not sure what happened to my comment, but here goes twice.

I was very glad to hear that Tor and its SJW/CHORFs were slapped down. I stopped reading Hugo winners some time ago as most of them were...just bad stories that had a political agenda behind them. Never understood how the process worked until this year. Well done all.

Blogger richard mcenroe April 04, 2015 10:56 PM  

They only know how to double down on stupid.

Anonymous Tom April 04, 2015 10:57 PM  

And this just makes my desire to get published by Castalia House so much greater.

Blogger richard mcenroe April 04, 2015 10:57 PM  

PT Barnium: the "cheerful" aspect would put them off? Don't underrate the Marion Zimmer Bradley fans.

Blogger bob k. mando April 04, 2015 11:43 PM  

richard mcenroe April 04, 2015 10:56 PM
They only know how to double down on stupid.




that's the problem: it's NOT stupid.

up until now, it's been a winning strategy.

http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-synergy-of-symbiosis.html

Blogger Tupla-J April 04, 2015 11:48 PM  

Apparently the toad has to number its sentences. I wonder if it thinks that'll make them more believable?

Blogger Ken April 05, 2015 12:18 AM  

mmaier2112:
"
Has there to date been a SINGLE provable death threat or SWATTING incident vs. the pussy SJWs for which GG could be reasonably blamed?"

I've actually been wondering that, too. I mean, I know I could google it, but it can be a struggle to muddle through the many Kotaku (et al) articles who call GG the Devil's Worst Idea Ever.

Anonymous MendoScot April 05, 2015 12:23 AM  

Remember, nominating was to get them on the ballot.

'Tis done.

Now read ALL that is sent and not only vote, but comment on Amazon to show why we did this in the first place.

There is no slate for the vote.

Anonymous Susan April 05, 2015 12:29 AM  

Markku,

After you mentioned Breitbart I went and looked. Surprising amount of support for what is going on right now with you guys and the Sad Puppies and Castalia House. From what I have read of the comments, I would say at this point in time, it looks like about a 98% good response. There is a huge market for you guys to take advantage of. I hope you guys are ready for it. Between you guys and Baen, you should be able to smack down Tor and give it the beating it deserves.

Of course if the usual trolls get a whiff, it could all change and become a free for all.

Blogger Daniel April 05, 2015 12:31 AM  

"The SF convention that finds itself sharing a hotel with the International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers can probably be excused for not inviting them to come visit the con suite."

Oh. Like dragon*con?

Blogger richard mcenroe April 05, 2015 12:45 AM  

"I know some of this was covered last year but can the SJW bunch 'no award' everything and trash the ballot while the real fans vote for their favs thus splitting the legitimate votes?"

They didn't have enough votes to cherry pick the ballot; do you think they can find the votes to push "No Award" through? "VOTE NO ON JIM BUTCHER! HE'S A FASCIST RACIST OPPRESSOR!" Seriously? 'SAVE THE HUGOS FROM THE NAZI KEVIN J. ANDERSON!" I don't see that rallying the troops.

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2015 12:47 AM  

@mmaier2112: All the incidents that have been investigated have so far turned out to be not credible or: anti-gamergaters spoofing them against themselves.

And then there was Brianna Wu, who is so incompetent that she forgot to log into one of her sockpuppets and posted a spoof from her main account.

Actual gamergaters have been policing their own behaviour meticulously.

Blogger Josh April 05, 2015 1:34 AM  

OT:DUKE!

Blogger S1AL April 05, 2015 1:58 AM  

Heh. Brianna Wu is now claiming that #gamergate is responsible for the Hugo's this year and that they did it by buying fake memberships.

Trollolol

Blogger Danby April 05, 2015 3:27 AM  

@kfg,
Brianna Wu is a he, not a she.
never acceed to their abuse of the language.

NEVER.

Blogger Dave W. April 05, 2015 3:28 AM  

Obviously Vox is Dutch, but who'll play the Predator?

Well, The Toad can play Jabba, but that's a different movie. >.>

Anonymous Anonymous April 05, 2015 8:38 AM  

qq

Blogger bob k. mando April 05, 2015 8:57 AM  

Susan April 05, 2015 12:29 AM
Surprising amount of support for what is going on right now with you guys and the Sad Puppies and Castalia House.



Breitbart is a Right Wing news org.

wake me up when you see a lot of people taking the SP side over at Salon / NYT / WaPo / etc.

of course, that's not going to happen unless the admins go to sleep ...

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2015 9:41 AM  

@Danby; That was a careless error on my part, although in Wu's case I prefer "it," as in, "What the hell is it?"

Anonymous bw April 05, 2015 9:55 AM  

Cheerful Child-rapers... an association of terrible human beings

Never forget that this is about morality: they posit theirs is vastly superior to yours, and that you and yours need to go. You're the child rapers, after all, not them, right?

Blogger Lovekraft April 05, 2015 10:05 AM  

His camp has the likes of Sarkeesian, Quinn and Wu and he has the gall to criticize gamergaters? Of course he would try to deflect from his camp of creeps.

Anonymous The other robot (who votes) April 05, 2015 10:16 AM  

Amal El-Mohtar says:

My heart goes out to those to whom the Hugo awards mean a great deal, who have worked hard making it into something with brand recognition and significance outside of genre, and who are seeing something they love twisted and perverted in bad faith to celebrate, not art, but a triumph against diversity in art.

Who cares about brand recognition and who cares about diversity in Science Fiction when it includes shit like If you were a dinosaur etc.

However, it is likely that the diversity of voters has increased this year.

Anonymous The other robot (I came for an argument) April 05, 2015 10:58 AM  

WisCon Seeks Comments on New Anti-Abuse Regime

You have until April 17 to comment.

People should flood them with abuse complaints this year. Any anti-white male comments or anti-Christian comments should be considered abuse and reported.

Blogger Danby April 05, 2015 11:01 AM  

Amal El-Mohtar says:

"My heart goes out to those to whom the Hugo awards mean a great deal, who have worked hard making it into something with brand recognition and significance outside of genre, and who are seeing something they love twisted and perverted in bad faith to celebrate, not art, but a triumph against diversity.


You for got the rest of the quote. It must go something tike this:

And, on behalf of myself and other SMOFs CHORFs and SJWs, I'd like to apologize, sincerely, and promise never to do this again."

What? He didn't say that? Who the hell else coud he be talking about?

Blogger Zaklog the Great April 05, 2015 11:25 AM  

Wait, does this mean Patrick is endorsing *gasp* discrimination? I thought discriminating against anyone was the most horrible thing ever! That's what all the social justice terrorists have been shouting about because of Indiana this week.

I . . . I'm going to have to go away and think about this for a while.




Discrimination!

Blogger Zaklog the Great April 05, 2015 11:25 AM  

Wait, does this mean Patrick is endorsing *gasp* discrimination? I thought discriminating against anyone was the most horrible thing ever! That's what all the social justice terrorists have been shouting about because of Indiana this week.

I . . . I'm going to have to go away and think about this for a while.




Discrimination!

Anonymous The other robot (who reads) April 05, 2015 12:00 PM  

Is this The Three-Body Problem Vox said was excellent?

Anonymous Giuseppe April 05, 2015 2:45 PM  

Brianna Wu is now claiming that #gamergate is responsible for the Hugo's this year and that they did it by buying fake memberships.

Wait, this guy Johnny (the fake Brianna Wu) who has an ACTUAL fake vagina is saying that bought and paid for memberships to sasquan to vote in the Hugos are "fake" ?
Seriously...the balls of the guy....

Blogger XXXXXXXXXXXXX April 06, 2015 9:08 PM  

Patrick Nielsen Hayden:
The SF convention that finds itself sharing a hotel with the International Association of Cheerful Child-rapers can probably be excused for not inviting them to come visit the con suite.

NAMBLA supporter Samuel R. Delany has won 2 Hugo awards.

B.B.

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