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Sunday, April 26, 2015

Fourth Generation disruptions

What applies to one field often applies to many. I thought this excerpt from Martin van Creveld's Technology and War was interesting both in its own right and as it applies to the cultural war:
In practice, the difference between war and the deadliest games practiced by men consists precisely of the fact that, in war, the element of pure unbridled force is always present. Like a bolt of lightning coming out of a clear sky, it threatens to crash through the network of rules. Historically speaking, there have been many places and times when war began to resemble a game. Whenever this happened, there were people aplenty who chose to interpret the phenomenon as a sign that civilization was advancing, that eternal peace was possible, perhaps even that the millenium was about to arrive. On each of those occasions, however, sooner or later somebody came along who did not operate on the same code. Brandishing his sharp sword he tore apart the delicate fabric, revealing war for what it really was.

Nemesis, when it came, took different forms. The Hellenistic states, which had dominated the eastern Mediterranean, were laid low by the Romans who, to quote Polybius, were singularly inclined to use force (bia) in order to solve any problem. The jousts and other military games being played at the courts of France and Burgundy were rudely disrupted by Swiss pikemen and Spanish arquebusiers coming from “barbaric” countries on the fringe of civilization, nations that had never been properly feudalized. The European ancien régime was brought to an end when the French Revolution mobilized huge hordes of men and, unable to train them in the good old rules, hurled them forward at the enemy in formations that contemporaries regarded as crude but very effective. As might be expected, those who survived these eruptions often engaged in a spirited debate as to whether they involved progress or a reversion to barbarism. Though a disinterested historian writing long after the event might point out that they most probably represented both, this was scant consolation to the victims at the time.

To read the signs, our age also displays these symptoms. Partly because of the nuclear threat, partly because of the modern fascination with advanced technology per se, and partly for deeply rooted socio-ideological reasons, weapons are being turned into toys and conventional war into an elaborate, but fundamentally pointless, game. While games can be nice while they last, in our age too there is a real danger that they will be upset by barbarians who, refusing to abide by the rules, pick up the playing-board and use it to smash the opponent’s head. Let him who has ears to listen, listen: the call Lucifer ante portas already reverberates, and new forms of warfare are threatening to put an end to our delicate civilization.
It's not an accident that there are similarities between the 4GW we are seeing throughout the Middle East and the 4GW we are seeing in the form of GamerGate. Both are reactions to overwhelming and irresistible centralized power; ISIS/DAESH could no more stand up to the US military in conventional battle than the average game player could influence the game media or the average SF novelist could expect to hit the New York Times bestseller list and be end-capped at Barnes & Noble without the support of a major New York publisher.

But technology and decentralization has allowed the Fourth Generation forces to bypass the conventional strong points. ISIS can coordinate global strikes from deep cover operatives anywhere in the world; a power not even the Emperor of Rome or the Queen of the British Empire possessed. A single gamer like Pew Die Pie has a bigger following than any game journalist. And, well, you already know about the Hugo Awards and the New York Times bestseller list has been rendered moot by Amazon's.

This is a time of change, in both military and societal terms. As is usually the case, the change will NOT take the form that is expected by those who control the conventional forces, indeed, on the basis of past transitions, we can safely predict that those who have been most dependent upon the conventional models are the most likely to find themselves on the wrong side of techno-historical progress.

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64 Comments:

Blogger JACIII April 26, 2015 7:56 AM  

So long as GG'ers keep in mind the media will provide no overtly visible confirmation of their victories, they will continue to advance. Bill Clinton initiated the tactic of depriving 4GWarriors of access to the enemies own information distribution system.

Victory will be entered in Black and loss in Red in the ledgers of companies whose policies and officials are giving aid and cover to SJWs, but won't receive unspun coverage from dinosaur media.

OpenID wormme April 26, 2015 8:03 AM  

For want of a nail...

Anonymous Tom B April 26, 2015 8:11 AM  

Ok, so I have a question; how is 4GW different than conventional guerrilla warfare, aside from the use of tech? Is it the application of guerrilla tactics to non-military style "combat" like GG and the Puppies? Or is their more to it?

Blogger Vox April 26, 2015 8:28 AM  

There is more to it. Read Riding the Red Horse or Four Generations of Modern War.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 April 26, 2015 8:52 AM  

This presupposes we can even identify players/ combatants. Compartmentalization/ need to know basis, secret societies, cabals, and black budgets makes the above somewhat mute. I just came home from seeing the recent addition to the "avengers" franchise. It raises some questions.
HAARP weather weapons, scalar pulse weapons, ultra low frequency generators, micro wave weapons, liquid lasers?, micro nukes in fault lines. If players aren't identified, objectives are obscure,

Jesus is the flag gives you a national identity, legal system, economics system, science system, philosophical base all in one sweep. I've come to the conclusion its Him or lose; or maybe holding pattern as a third intermediate action.

Blogger Henry Smith April 26, 2015 9:09 AM  

Very insightful. Glenn Reynolds wrote about the emerging phenomenon in "An Army of Davids". We are still only in the opening stages of the revolution. Gamergate and the Hugo Awards are two examples of the emerging paradigm.

Anonymous Mike M. April 26, 2015 9:16 AM  

Always remember, though, that two can play the game.

My own assessment is that a modern military has become too expensive for any but the richest states to field. Which has led smaller states and non-state actors to try irregular war tactics.

But there is nothing to stop a high-end state from using such tactics...with far more resources. And backing them with more conventional measures.

Personally, I think what's going on with the SJWs is that they were always far weaker than they looked, and are easily beaten by the slightest resistance.

With regard to ISIS, they are likely to find out the hard way just how destructive a high-end power can be when they choose to wage unrestricted war.

Anonymous RedJack April 26, 2015 9:21 AM  

Once Pandora's box is opened, you can never get all the demons back in.

On the literature side, I have downloaded, for the cost of less than $20 US, the equivelent of an old school Classical education. I could have found it for free, but I wanted the formatting to be simple.

Ten years ago, J.B. Bury's works would have cost me several thousand dollars alone. I know because I had started buying the books.

The gatekeepers are guarding an unlocked gate over a river that now has an eight lane overpass.

Anonymous RedJack April 26, 2015 9:24 AM  

Mike M.

The problem isn't that the US doesn't have the resources to fight that way, but they do not have the will to. No Army or Air Force general would ever give up all the nice shiny toys for a technical and a bunch of militia, even if that is what they need to do to win. Look at the saga of the A-10 Warthog. A platform that excels at its role, but is hated because it isn't sexy enough. Drones (the one semi 3rd generation platform we have) are hated so much I expect the Air Force to drum them out soon.

Anonymous noodle April 26, 2015 9:26 AM  

"On the literature side, I have downloaded, for the cost of less than $20 US, the equivelent of an old school Classical education."

What books did you buy?

Blogger Sam Hall April 26, 2015 9:48 AM  

RedJack
Look at the saga of the A-10 Warthog. A platform that excels at its role, but is hated because it isn't sexy enough.

It isn't a fighter is the big problem.
We should transfer the A-10 program to the Army.

Anonymous jack April 26, 2015 9:52 AM  

@Redjack:

I would agree with noodle; would/could you provide a list? perhaps with sourcing, if your time permits?
Thanks

Anonymous Jeigh Di April 26, 2015 9:58 AM  

"Old sailors want wooden ships, old soldiers want horse cavalry" - Robert Heinlein

Blogger Henry Smith April 26, 2015 9:59 AM  

4GW arrives not a moment too soon. The SJW complex (aka statism) controls the commanding heights, including the mainstream media, Hollywood, college campuses, publishing, public education, and the political system. They have also largely gained control over domestic police forces and are bidding to gain control over the military, an extremely dangerous trend.

Yet at the same time the MSM is being destroyed by online information sources; Hollywood is being challenged by kids with movie studios in their basements; the higher education bubble is bursting; traditional publishing is being destroyed by Amazon and ebooks; and public primary and secondary school education will be increasingly supplanted by alternatives for intelligent people including home and Internet based schooling.

As the process unfolds, only the political process will remain firmly in SJW/statist control. This is due to the structure of our political system and the intended deterioration of the electorate driven by welfare statism and unrestricted immigration.

It is indeed an interesting time for people like us to be alive, fraught as it is with both extreme promise and extreme danger.

Anonymous omar's running shoes April 26, 2015 10:09 AM  

Last week a young woman jumped up on a podium at a meeting of the ECB right in front of Mario Draghi, tossing confetti and dropping her "manifesto" in front of him.

The look on his face was priceless. Some people would immediately think that it was the effrontery of it, her rayon G-string hiked up out of the back of her hipster jeans while she shimmied on the birds-eye maple credenza, but the underlying look was one of shock- if a SJW ditz can get within inches of me without the slightest resistance from security, what if it was a suicide bomber? An ISIS bride with a ziplock full of anthrax? What about the auto-gyrocopter dude landing on the lawn of the Capitol? How hard could it be to pack that with a dirty bomb?

These elites are vulnerable and they are the ones pulling the strings. Their security contractors can only do so much, their cruise missles and drones are only offensive in nature and their militaries are so huge it takes a month to deploy them and by then the enemy has relocated to another continent.

Everything about the next conflict will rest on their ability to adapt to a style of bellicosity that they have yet to consider. The proles and the peasants are non-entities to them so how can they begin to imagine that it the atomized radical without state or nation that is their greatest threat.

BTW, you gotta watch Draghi's reaction to the chick on the desk, it's as effeminate and helpless it makes baby seal clubbing look like hunting ions with a spear.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 26, 2015 10:10 AM  

4GW is IMO the battle for the MORAL component of war. But per usual the conservative side wants desperately to talk about hardware, coasting on the past never ever wanting to leave the year 1945.

All the while some of the worst human dreck imaginable the SJW shock troop and their media accomplices capture the unguarded high ground of the MORAL component of war, and here we are conservatives sitting like kids in the principal's office lectured at by vermin about our "racism" and other boogey men of the unkempt mind.

Anonymous NopeHat April 26, 2015 10:23 AM  

Devastating...

Popehat @Popehat · 11h 11 hours ago
If you believe in a right to be free of criticism, you don't believe in free speech. You just believe in your speech.
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/25/vox-day-to-david-pakman-gamergate-is-about-the-right-of-gamers-and-game-developers-to-be-immune-from-criticism/

I agree with PopeHat:

Theo's position is now completely destroyed.

Read this while you can -- I am expecting Vox to delete this comment soon.

Here are the links again:

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/592167518216720385

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/25/vox-day-to-david-pakman-gamergate-is-about-the-right-of-gamers-and-game-developers-to-be-immune-from-criticism/

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 26, 2015 10:31 AM  

I think this applies to Hispanics and Negroes who are not going to follow the White/Jewish Liberal views of multiculturalism. Hispanics and Negroes are the barbarians within the gates. They don't recognize the rules. The European Christian liberal/atheist panzy is going to follow the social justice route but the Hispanic, Negroe is going to follow the route to power and group identity politics.

Already we see Muslims pull the political correctness card to make the European bow to him. Political Correctness was not invented nor envisioned by the Hispanic, Negroe, or Muslim but they will use it as a weapon to beat down the European. The board is political correctness and the Hispanic, Negroe and Muslim will beat the political correctness board over the head of the European. The European will be a persecuted minority here in America and in Europe if they don't miscegenate with the brown masses. Everything in the end will turn Brown.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 26, 2015 10:32 AM  

Substitute "criticized" with "harrassed and slandered" and you'd be a bit closer.

I'd discuss the nuances more, but you are clearly uninterested in listening, and the Dread Ilk already know instinctively what was being discussed.

Nice try, though.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 26, 2015 10:37 AM  

@W.LindsayWheeler who is unhappy about demographic movements...

The Hispanics are overwhelmingly Catholic, and believe it. The Blacks seem to be aligning with Islam.

Demographically, the immigration of Mexicans (overwhelmingly Hispanic) is going to beat out the Blacks immigrating from around the world. I recommend taking a good look around you and seeing if you time would be better spent learning the Koran or Spanish.

I expect things to get pretty ugly very soon. Best survival tip is to try to avoid the bloodshed as long as possible, and start cultivating a Mexican identity.

Anonymous The Original Hermit April 26, 2015 10:42 AM  

"Theo's position is now completely destroyed.

Read this while you can -- I am expecting Vox to delete this comment soon."

The most offensive thing about your post is that you think we're dumb enough to believe a word of it.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 26, 2015 10:47 AM  

I went to the link that Nopehat provided on "We hunted Mammoth" and left this comment:

You guys are so f*cking stupid. Vox used the wrong word in "criticizing gamers". As in all revolutions, words have been redefined. Haven't any of you heard of "Critical Theory"? The methodology of the Frankfurt school, where "criticism" is not criticism per se, but a methodology of deconstructionism and attack. The standards of attacking the video game industry and its products is done not by using standards of art, or objective goals of the purpose of a game, but it is about judging things according to political correctness. This is what Vox Day is fighting against. You guys don't get it do you? This "criticism" that Vox Day is arguing against is Political Correctness (Social Justice). It is about gamers not being sufficienty "Marxisized", cultural attuned, to the new realities of the New Order of feminism and gay politics.

What meaning of "criticism" do you use? The definition of yesteryear that is about the standards of art in itself or the goals of a game or the definition of the Frankfurt School that uses "criticism" as a weapon to beat upon recaltricants who are not feminized which is called Critical Theory.

It is quite obvious that you people have no clue on what is going on. You are useful idiots of the Marxist elite.


I hope this helps in clarifying what is going on. Whether it is posted or not, I don't know.

Anonymous Ashterah April 26, 2015 10:52 AM  

NopeHat

I wouldn't say devastating at all, honestly. Nobody wants to be criticized. Nobody likes being criticized. You are blowing up one sentence into a winner take all scenario, and I reject that.

What I heard Vox saying in toto was that what Gamers wanted was the ability not to be hounded to death over their choices - much in the same way that SJWs don't want to be hounded to death over their choices. Sauce for the goose and gander that has been unfairly applied by the SJW crowd. You dare to criticize their choices and you are killing them. Both literally and figuratively.

And I think you will find that Vox won't censor you unlike other places where there is complete asshattery going on. Too bad you won't get that little feather in your cap, eh? You wanted to be able to say "look what that meanie did to MEEEEE!" Sorry. Not today. Try the martyrdom act elsewhere.

Blogger automatthew April 26, 2015 10:54 AM  

"The most offensive thing about your post is that you think we're dumb enough to believe a word of it."


It's probably that self-important twat, gg/yittik/insanity_bytes. She's been acting out again, lately.

Blogger Bobo April 26, 2015 10:58 AM  

One day, when the political/culture "polite" wars have made the necessary turn to real war, as van Creveld lays out, the inner fear of people like Draghi will be made manifest:
That is, we all only have one throat to be slit.

Anonymous Roundtine April 26, 2015 11:01 AM  

Criticize all you want, we don't care.

Blogger The Original Hermit April 26, 2015 11:04 AM  

It's probably that self-important twat, gg/yittik/insanity_bytes. She's been acting out again, lately.

I thought she was a cunt. Whatever she is, I have no more to say to her, as she deserves no more of my attention.

Anonymous NopeHat April 26, 2015 11:09 AM  

Amusing to watch you all scramble. But in one single interview, Theo cut the heart out of GamerGate. And in one devastating tweet, PopeHat destroyed Vox Day.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/592167518216720385

Here is what will happen:

1. Theo will delete my comments
2. Theo will not respond to PopeHat -- instead Theo will run away
3. GamerGate will completely collapse. GG will pretend it was mystery.
4. Vox Day's "true believers" will blame everyone but Theo for the collapse.

Anonymous HalibetLector April 26, 2015 11:10 AM  

I expect things to get pretty ugly very soon. Best survival tip is to try to avoid the bloodshed as long as possible, and start cultivating a Mexican identity.

That only works if you can pass as hispanic. Lily white bastards like myself should do what we do best: self segregate, organize and prep.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 26, 2015 11:12 AM  

popehat has been somewhat of an SJW enclave since inception, but it continues to slide towards irrelevance. Clark is the only one salvageable.
I was blocked from the twitter feed because I simply stated that people who use those steam inhalers instead of cigarettes are still addicts. Patrick is an addict you see. He not like the free-speech. Lawyers...peh.

Anonymous NopeHat April 26, 2015 11:13 AM  

I was amused when PopeHat dismantled John C. Wright for the homophobic fraud Wright is in only 2-3 tweets.

Turns out PopeHat destroyed "Vox Day" in only 1 single tweet. (new record?)

Yes, I am only rubbing it in now...

Blogger maniacprovost April 26, 2015 11:26 AM  

I just had an epiphany.... The reason so many SJWs make completely idiotic and juvenile comments is that they genuinely expect they will be deleted. They don't realize that their sniveling idiocy will be left on display for all of eternity, so that future historians can come here and say, "Wow, this guy was a moron."

I think that explains the tangier flavor of their foolishness compared to, say, atheist trolls or Kos Kids.

Anonymous Nathan April 26, 2015 11:29 AM  

Please bring something besides "My Dad can beat up your dad" to this discussion. Because none of the "devastations" were anything but zingers with no content designed to impress the stand-up comedy and self-help guru crowd, with precious little refutation or even content. The world isn't run from the playpen; stop trying to argue from it.

And it amuses me that those who are revel in puppy-related sadness and journalistic corruption constantly think that if they can get the monster to say its true name, it'll just disappear, only to be repeatedly disappointed.

Anonymous Steve April 26, 2015 11:37 AM  

Nopehat - seriously? You think David "Manboobz" Futrelle 'destroyed' Vox? The only thing he could destroy is a bucket of fried chicken.

LOL.

Anonymous Bz April 26, 2015 11:47 AM  

Hey, didn't POPEHAT dismantle the entire edifice of racist patriarchal Western "civilization" in merely 2-3 tweets?

Anonymous Bz April 26, 2015 11:49 AM  

I hear POPEHAT destroyed the Koch brothers in just 0.5 tweet, guys.

Anonymous Steve April 26, 2015 12:00 PM  

So apparently David Futrelle and Samuel "packet of sweets" Delany have a lot in common.

Are you a nonce, Nopehat?

Anonymous Steve April 26, 2015 12:23 PM  

Bz - Popehat singlehandedly destroyed Alderaan by Tweeting an article by Jerry Sandusky.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 26, 2015 12:24 PM  

"I was amused when PopeHat dismantled John C. Wright for the homophobic fraud Wright is in only 2-3 tweets"

I find it rather odd that the left would so besmirch a person for not wanting to force people to serve pizza at a lesbian wedding(most gay weddings have more class than to have pizza) while ignoring all that Cankles has done. Cankles took $40 million in contributions while being the Secretary of State from nations that execute gays & ignored Gay Ambassador Stevens' request for real security a month before he was killed. Stevens said that the moslems hired to guard him, who all survived him unharmed, where anti gay, anti-white & pro jihad. Cankles and Bath House Barry said 2 out of 3 aint bad.

Winston Churchill tolerated gays more than the jihadi sharia law patrols in London today. If Putin called me and asked if he should give John C. Wright or Cankles a polonium cocktail I would chose Hillary.

Blogger Sam April 26, 2015 12:26 PM  

4GW-related events in Holland: "By giving the signal that Salafists can patrol the streets with government-sanctioned authority, Mayor van Aartsen is handing a Muslim minority a parallel society, increasingly controlled by Muslims, that actively opposes a Dutch (political) culture."

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5624/netherlands-hague-islamic-extremists?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 26, 2015 12:38 PM  

Nopehat is like the people calling for a boy cot of two successful gay businessmen who hosted Senator Ted Cruz for dinner at their Manhattan apartment. http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/04/24/gay-leftists-hate-ted-cruz-more-than-isis-too/
Also on gay patriot coverage of the left treating Bruce Jenner as an Aunt Jemima for being a republican. http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/04/25/the-tolerant-left-responds-to-bruce-jenners-republican-status/

Anonymous Jack Amok April 26, 2015 1:11 PM  

As might be expected, those who survived these eruptions often engaged in a spirited debate as to whether they involved progress or a reversion to barbarism. Though a disinterested historian writing long after the event might point out that they most probably represented both, this was scant consolation to the victims at the time.

The disinterested historian, if he were also a philosopher, might even realize civilization isn't about applying rules to the use of force. It's about applying rules to everyday interactions so there's less chance people are driven to the use of force.

If the SJW didn't insist on indulging their control-freak tendencies, there wouldn't be a need to destroy them.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 26, 2015 1:12 PM  

It isn't a fighter is the big problem.
We should transfer the A-10 program to the Army.


Sure, sure, but then you run into the problem of the Air Force Generals not wanting the Army to have fixed-wing aircraft. Bureaucratic sclerosis works like that - ordinary problems that ought to have simple solutions don't becuse the simple solutions are blocked by a thicket of other problems. Centralization creates a plethora of insecure mid-wigs with veto authority over everything important.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 26, 2015 1:22 PM  

So apparently David Futrelle and Samuel "packet of sweets" Delany have a lot in common.

Good God, are every last one of these people pedos?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 26, 2015 1:22 PM  

Well, I've got a battle going on with SJWs at "Vox Day to David Pakman Gamergate is about the right of gamers and game developers to be immune from criticism

A whole bunch of SJWs. Could use some help.

Anonymous FP April 26, 2015 1:34 PM  

Hah! Ok that ECB meeting disruption is hilarious.

"End ECB Dick-tatorship" was even on her t-shirt.

Video here:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/15/ecb-protest-woman-interrupts-mario-draghi-speech

Blogger Corvinus April 26, 2015 1:56 PM  

@ExpendableFacelessMinion

The Hispanics are overwhelmingly Catholic, and believe it.

Not really. In fact, among the Central Americans coming over, most of the religious among them are Protestants, not Catholics.

The Blacks seem to be aligning with Islam.

I still see it as a fringe movement. Most Blacks are irreligious in practice.

Demographically, the immigration of Mexicans (overwhelmingly Hispanic) is going to beat out the Blacks immigrating from around the world. I recommend taking a good look around you and seeing if you time would be better spent learning the Koran or Spanish.

I expect things to get pretty ugly very soon. Best survival tip is to try to avoid the bloodshed as long as possible, and start cultivating a Mexican identity.


Mexico has the same fertility rate as the U.S. does now, and net migration from Mexico is actually negative, and has been since 2008. Whiter English-speaking Mexicans will assimilate into the white American population in a manner not unlike Italian-Americans a century ago.

The top demographic threat right now is Africans and Muslims, and Europe is dead center in the cross-hairs (along with high-immigration Anglo countries like Canada and Australia). The USA is actually less badly off.

Blogger Vox April 26, 2015 2:00 PM  

A whole bunch of SJWs. Could use some help.

All you need to do is say that I readily admitted I should have left out the "without being criticized" part. They can criticize us if they like, but we're not going to listen.

Then ask them if men have the right to tell women they shouldn't play 3D shooters....

Blogger Danby April 26, 2015 2:29 PM  

@Nopehate

Okay, I'll play. No one else seems to be interested.

Here is what will happen:
1. Theo will delete my comments

Nope, not gonna happen. That's not how it works here
2. Theo will not respond to PopeHat -- instead Theo will run away
He likely won't respond because honestly, who cares what some pedophile twat says on twitter? You need to get out more.
3. GamerGate will completely collapse. GG will pretend it was mystery.
WTF? Are you under the impression that GamerGate give a flying fuck about EITHER Futrelle or Vox? That, somehow, Vox's credibillity is the only thing keeping GG from utter collapse and ruin? Here's a hint: I am the leader of GamerGate, and so can you.
Self-serving delusion is a personal fault, not a lifestyle
4. Vox Day's "true believers" will blame everyone but Theo for the collapse.
Vox doesn't have any "true believers". There's nobody here who doesn't disagree with Vox on a regular basis. Unlike leftists, we don't patrol opinions or believe in lockstep ideological uniformity.

Vile, faceless minion #3123 of the Evil League of Evil

Anonymous Difster April 26, 2015 2:48 PM  

Hey Nopehat,

The comments haven't been deleted.
Vox responded on Twitter to Ken

You're 0-2 for now, and you'll eventually go 0-4.

While "criticized" might have been a poor word choice, the context is pretty clear. Gamers want to be left alone and not be told what games they can and cannot play.

Sure, we all have to account for what we say, but there's no major zinger here even though the critics will seize on this and repeat it over and over.

Blogger maniacprovost April 26, 2015 4:05 PM  

There's nobody here who doesn't disagree with Vox on a regular basis.

You almost have to when he says Scalzi's stunts are "clever."

Anonymous DeepThought April 26, 2015 4:09 PM  

@NopeHat comment

"Read this while you can -- I am expecting Vox to delete this comment soon"

I see your post is still up. Don't you look like the typical SJW idiot. You are under the false impression you actually know something when you know nothing.

Once again you and the mid wits miss the point. Obviously you do not understand the difference between criticism and an attack.

Blogger Poor Guy April 26, 2015 4:10 PM  

I think of what the far far left has done and is doing to our culture as a war. They played it like a long con and they have almost got this thing won. On almost any topic it seems that unreality and total insanity is now accepted as the norm, while real normality and common sense are seen as hateful things. The end game of this war is not much different than what the endgame for the communist Soviets, communist North Koreans or the NAZI's were: total control and annihilating their supposed enemies.

Blogger Cuca Culpa April 26, 2015 4:16 PM  

Always knew there was something off about Futrelle.

Reading that link he should have called his blog wehuntedforyoungboys.com -- SJWs are always overcompensating for something.

Anonymous Friend of Bill April 26, 2015 4:21 PM  

There's always the famous old story of the ancient Chinese general (Chou dynasty I think) who refused to attack an enemy army while they were in the midst of crossing a river, because it would have been ungentlemanly to take unfair advantage. The army made it to the other side, then promptly defeated him. Shucks.

On the other hand, history remembers the chivalrous loser, not the victorious guy. I don't even think anyone even recalls what the battle was actually for. Is that consolation? Durned if I know.

The Taipings, of course, (and later the Maoists) did plenty of things that would make your flesh creep. But I seem to recall (maybe I've hallucinated this?) that sometimes in ancient China, two opposing armies would march right up to one another. Then the opposing generals would come out to speak to one another, each giving a critical assessment of their respective forces, tactical circumstances, and professional reputations. Then it would be agreed that one or the other was victorious, on the sheer basis of expert criticism, and everybody would go home without any bloodshed.

That sounds crazy of course, and maybe it's apocryphal. But it's worth remembering that in a very short space of time, Europe has become no longer recognizably European, and America has become no longer recognizably American. But China is still Chinese. And so is Tibet.

Blogger Poor Guy April 26, 2015 4:25 PM  

What they want is power and control. All of these "boogeymen" from racism, sexism, homosexuals, the poor, global warming, 'war on women' are simply facades. If most blacks voted conservative in 2016, the left would immediately become more racist than the KKK, if they thought this would bring them more power. Same with every other 'identity group' in their coalition.

They only "support" the blacks, hispanics, gays, women etc etc that AGREE with them and their acquisition of supreme power.

Their slogans are tropes. Brief moments of honesty tell you what you should really know. When Hillary says "We are going to take things away from you for the common good" it means they are going to take your money and things for themselves. When Hillary said that religions will just have to be made to support abortion, she means she thinks that the use of government power (power) is legitimate to that goal.

Sometimes we see what they do and we think "That is stupid". It's not, they know exactly what they are doing. They know they have to utterly destroy civilization if they are going to rule over the ashes.

Blogger Poor Guy April 26, 2015 4:28 PM  

Friend of Bill - Look at how the British thought war should be fought before the American revolution. Two armies lined up, fired, and the one with the fewest losses was the winner. When Americans shot from behind trees and fought to really win, they considered this ungentlemanly.

Anonymous Harsh April 26, 2015 4:42 PM  

I still see it as a fringe movement. Most Blacks are irreligious in practice.

Really? It seems blacks in the US are largely evangelical Christian. I have nothing but my own experience to support this but I'm curious to hear different opinions.

Blogger Poor Guy April 26, 2015 4:50 PM  

What he means is that a lot of black churches seem like DNC booster clubs.

Blogger Corvinus April 26, 2015 7:00 PM  

Really? It seems blacks in the US are largely evangelical Christian. I have nothing but my own experience to support this but I'm curious to hear different opinions.

About half are nominal members (Pew puts 6.9% of the U.S. population as "black Protestant", and blacks are about 14% of the population), but I'm pretty sure only a small number of those actually believe the tenets of the faith. And Marxism doesn't count as tenets of a Christian faith.

Of course, because blacks are so gregarious and outgoing as a race, those who are Evangelicals make it clear that they are PDQ. But you have to look at those who don't to get a better picture.

Anonymous RedJack April 26, 2015 9:28 PM  

Noodle and Jack,

I started with the Greek works. Homer's epics (free down loads), Plato, Aristotle (also free, though the translations may not be the best). Thucydides, Pericles, and the rest. Then on to Cicero (a personal favorite). I spent some time at Project Gutenburg and this site http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/index.html

Then I wandered into the really tall grass. Many years ago, someone (maybe even Vox) mentioned J.B. Bury's works. The landmark series the he edited, The Cambridge Medieval History, is a treasure trove. Starting in the later Roman empire and marching forward to the Reformation, it is deep reading. I had bought a volume here or there till I discovered it was free on Project Gutenberg (some of the later volumes are not, but I am trying to build the complete set anyway). Theodor Mommsen's work on Ancient Rome, (sadly, now pulled from ebooks on Amazon), Charles Kingsley's works on the Roman and the Germans, Plutarch..

In short, at this time we have the collected works of masters sitting on the cloud, waiting for you. Most of the works I mentioned are out their for free. I paid less than a $1 for some just to have the active table of contents. Others, after reading, I am tracking down old copies for my Dead Tree collection. A life time of reading.

If I would make a suggestion, start with Plato and Aristotle. Heavy plowing, and something that took me a lot of effort to get through, but they started the modes of thought that are with us to this day. Or rather, they defined them.

My greatest issue is that I have yet to master Latin or Greek in order to read the foundation works in their native tongue.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 26, 2015 10:13 PM  

"My greatest issue is that I have yet to master Latin or Greek in order to read the foundation works in their native tongue."

Well, speaking as a person who's spent rather a lot of time with those languages, I'd be the last to try and dissuade you from their evident rewards. But I will say this, so you don't feel too regretful...

If you're a good speaker of English (and clearly you are), then you already know a great deal more Latin and Greek than you think you do. If you can speak passable Spanish or French or Italian, then you know even more.

PRO TIP: the grammar's more important than the vocabulary.

PRO TIP #2: Catullus, dude. Plato and Aristotle show you a very important dimension of the vale; Catullus does something else entirely. Horace and Juvenal and Virgil, sure, all a fine job. But Catullus? Heh heh heh. Check it oooooout.



Anonymous RedJack April 27, 2015 1:36 PM  

Just picked up Catullus. Looking forward to it!

Blogger slarrow April 27, 2015 2:18 PM  

Huh. 63 comments and no one's yet mentioned the Gordion Knot?

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