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Wednesday, April 29, 2015

Hug rape!

Someone alert David Pakman! There are SERIAL HUG RAPISTS on the loose in Virginia:
A Hug Now Requires "Affirmative Consent" At UVA -- Or You're Guilty Of Sexual Assault

If you don't explicitly ask for and get permission for your clothed body to touch another person's clothed body in a hug, you could now be accused of "sexual assault" through "sexual contact" at UVA.

It's part of UVA's broad new "sexual assault" policy, explains Hans Bader at Liberty Unyielding:

Because U.Va. lumps together touching, "however slight," and intercourse when it comes to sexual assault, requiring "affirmative" consent for both. ("Affirmative consent" is a misleading term, and does not include many forms of consent that occur in the real world, and are recognized by the courts, as I explain at this link. The new policy further warns that "Relying solely on non-verbal communication before or during sexual activity can lead to misunderstanding and may result in a violation of this Policy."

Here is the essential bit from the new UVA "sexual assault" policy:

    A. SEXUAL ASSAULT Sexual Assault consists of (1) Sexual Contact and/or (2) Sexual Intercourse that occurs without (3) Affirmative Consent.

    (1) Sexual Contact is:
    •     Any intentional sexual touching
    •     However slight
    •     With any object or body part (as described below)
    •     Performed by a person upon another person

    Sexual Contact includes (a) intentional touching of the breasts, buttocks, groin or genitals, whether clothed or unclothed, or intentionally touching another with any of these body parts; and (b) making another touch you or themselves with or on any of these body parts.
Better not hug your wife tonight. Not without Affirmative Consent. You might think "hug rape" sounds ridiculous now, but it wasn't all that long ago that "marital rape" sounded totally nonsensical too.

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192 Comments:

Anonymous Tyger April 29, 2015 3:42 PM  

No more irrational than "fart rape" or "stare rape."

Anonymous haven.monahan@yahoo.com April 29, 2015 3:43 PM  

Jackie was raped. Hug raped.

Blogger Nate April 29, 2015 3:44 PM  

Fuck these people.

Blogger Eric April 29, 2015 3:45 PM  

Who in his right mind would send his offspring to UVA at this point, particularly a young man?

Anonymous Stilicho April 29, 2015 3:49 PM  

Fuck these people.

^^ Qwerty rape.

Blogger Salt April 29, 2015 3:52 PM  

Coming soon -

"I was raped. I could feel his eyes, touching me, down there. I was violated."

Anonymous Soga April 29, 2015 3:53 PM  

My response: have fun losing college applicants, UVA. That revenue from tuitions won't look so hot anymore.

Blogger Owen April 29, 2015 3:56 PM  

Coming soon -

"I was raped. I could feel his eyes, touching me, down there. I was violated."


That's insa...

Never mind.

Anonymous Ed April 29, 2015 3:57 PM  

'Fuck these people'

Seems over the top when a hug will do.

Anonymous JN April 29, 2015 3:57 PM  

By that standard I have been raped millions of times. I'm off to join the local support group.

Blogger Owen April 29, 2015 3:59 PM  

From the article comments:

I find it ironic how many Americans complain about Muslim values while simultaneously increasingly adopting almost the same values.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo April 29, 2015 4:05 PM  

I can buy "marital rape", in the context of someone who is (for whatever reason) unable to get divorced from an abusive spouse.

But this is just nuts. A hug might be unwanted, but unless it includes groping I don't see how this could be considered any kind of "sexual" act.

@Owen I firmly believe this is partially in response to Muslim immigration.

Anonymous Stilicho April 29, 2015 4:05 PM  

There goes the "Hugs not drugs" campaign...

It puts tree huggers in an interesting new light...


Blogger Chiva April 29, 2015 4:08 PM  

It puts tree huggers in an interesting new light...

Woodie?

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 4:09 PM  

- I need a hug :(
- Please sign here, here and here.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 4:10 PM  

As if we didn't already have plenty of $$$$$$ reasons to find alternatives to the unemployed drone factories called Universities.

For a very long time, a college degree said something about a person. I suspect it says something very different now.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 4:11 PM  

Good news for CCW enthusiasts who otherwise might have an uninvited hugger brush their favorite toy.

Uninvited huggers ARE a nuisance.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo April 29, 2015 4:12 PM  

That reminds me:

@Vox

I read your TIA book while I was on guard duty on Monday, and I want to apologize for misunderstanding the intent of the title. I found much of it compelling, and all of it interesting.

I also found a point about moral philosophy I had never considered before: ALL moral systems depend on consequences as the guiding force, including Objectivism. I was thinking about the Christian fear of God's displeasure in the context of the whims of a mortal dictator, but even in Objectivist ethics it is the *consequences* of our choices that guide our ethics. And frankly the comparison of an actual deity (especially one who seems to be obsessed with seeing to it that his creations correctly learn righteousness) to a mortal megalomaniac is fundamentally unfair.

So I'm willing to relinquish one of my contentions against Christian ethics as the result of your book. I don't know how much it means to you to know this, but it would have been unjust of me not to acknowledge the point, so I said it.

Anonymous Stilicho April 29, 2015 4:14 PM  

Uninvited huggers ARE a nuisance.

Just grin and say "I'm REALLY happy to see you"

Blogger David April 29, 2015 4:16 PM  

No woodies, just steelies?

Anonymous JA April 29, 2015 4:16 PM  

WhiteKnightLeo - Are you an Objectivst? No wrong answer, just curious. Thanks.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo April 29, 2015 4:18 PM  

@David mostly I get hugs from family, so I'm never concerned about anyone noticing. But this is an excellent point.

Interestingly enough, Virginia will issue out-of-state permits to people who apply online, no travel necessary. You still have to send in all the paperwork, and since I live in Florida I wouldn't gain any other states in which I can legally carry by getting a Virginia CCW (not that I travel much anyway), but for other people it's something to think about.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo April 29, 2015 4:19 PM  

@JA I am. Any particular reason?

Anonymous Harsh April 29, 2015 4:20 PM  

A female friend always ends her texts to me with (hugs).

I've been text raped!

Blogger Russell April 29, 2015 4:21 PM  

But does this apply to all 50 er, 47, wait, 33 states?

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 4:22 PM  

So, when can we get degrees in rapeology? This is all getting so complicated that it might be about time.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 4:24 PM  

Markku hits it. This is UVA getting ahead of their competitors to offer first BA's and ultimately Ph.D's in Rape Studies.

As always, follow the money....

Anonymous JA April 29, 2015 4:29 PM  

WhiteKnightLeo:

Thank you for replying. I asked because I am an ex-Objectivist and I am now a Christian.

You might like this article, since shows some compatibility between Rand and Christianity:

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/the-ethics-of-ayn-rand

On the flip side, this book might challenge your beliefs:

http://www.amazon.com/Without-Prayer-Rand-Close-System/dp/0940931508

You might click on these links, or you might not. Follow your own rational conclusions. I will be praying for you, if you don't mind.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 4:31 PM  

@WhiteKnightLeo, it seems that few if any systems of social control do much better than "police yourself." Pride in one's honor or one's Christian faith to drive "doing the right thing while no one is looking" is about all there is, right?

While consequentialist thinking is useful in social situations, it fails miserably in an environment of secrecy or anonymity (like public office) because it only reigns in sociopaths when they think they will get caught.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 4:33 PM  

Shame is a great motivator of personal improvement, for a non-sociopath.

Anonymous dw April 29, 2015 4:36 PM  

Please let the Chinese invade. Please, these people desperately need it.

Anonymous hausfrau April 29, 2015 4:37 PM  

"Because U.Va. lumps together touching, "however slight," and intercourse when it comes to sexual assault, requiring "affirmative" consent for both."

This is like comparing being hit by a spit wad to being beaten with a lead pipe. Sure both can be called assault in the sense that's its not consensual (whatever that now means lately) but the resulting damage is incomparable. Feminists, more than anyone, minimize the real damage actual rape-rape produces through these policies all for the sake of self aggrandizement, the appearance of being a hardliner. Why do they hate real victims of actual rape so much?

Anonymous Culture War Draftee April 29, 2015 4:40 PM  

This policy creates an un-safe space for Haven Monahan. As a non-existent-American, Haven Monahan must struggle to find a voice. UVA admins should check their cis-existent privilege.

Anonymous Stilicho April 29, 2015 4:42 PM  

On a serious note, look at the language:


(1) Sexual Contact is:

Any intentional sexual touching


What is "sexual touching" you ask...why that is any touching of a woman by a man whom she does not find attractive/desirable.

Rule 1: don't be unattractive

Blogger John Wright April 29, 2015 4:45 PM  

"ALL moral systems depend on consequences as the guiding force, including Objectivism."

That is simply and flatly untrue. The theory that right and wrong rest on a contemplation of the results of the act are consequentialist; the technical term is "teleological". Moral codes, such as the Christian, which says that certain acts are good or bad in and of themselves, regardless of results, are called "deontological".

The proposal that all deontological systems are teleological fails the giggle test: anyone who says killing Hitler as an innocent baby on the grounds that one ought not kill innocent babies regardless of results is following a deontological standard.

Blogger CSAFarmer April 29, 2015 4:46 PM  

Dear UVA Administration:

Hug you! Hug all you stupid motherhuggers!

First date, second base, third degree felony?

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 4:46 PM  

"So, when can we get degrees in rapeology?"

BA or BS?

MA or MS?

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 4:48 PM  

Rape can be art

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 4:49 PM  

And art can DEFINITELY be rape.

It is science.

Anonymous Stingray April 29, 2015 4:49 PM  

I used to intensely dislike hugs from people who are not in my family. Liked them even less in college. Turns out I could have stopped all that pain so long ago . . . .

I could have also blacknighted the hell out of this. Woman on woman hugs are the worst (for me at least).

Blogger Chiva April 29, 2015 4:51 PM  

Good question Rabbi B, is it an 'Art' or a 'Science'

Anonymous buzzcut April 29, 2015 4:56 PM  

You know when you're standing in line at the coffee shop, and the line is really long and the barista is kinda slow, but you really want coffee, so you stand there, and stand there, and the line moves slowly, and you advance to the counter about two feet at a time, and the line behind you keeps getting longer, and then finally you get to the counter and as the barista asks you what you want, you immediately go into bone motion and turn around and grab the person behind you and hump on them like there's no tomorrow? That's what this law is designed to combat.

Then again, a coffee maker is less than twenty dollars.

Blogger thule222 April 29, 2015 4:58 PM  

They should monitor families dropping off freshmen in the fall. Moms and Dads tend to get all huggy. Campus security could make some arrests. Show everyone that UVA means business.

Anonymous dw April 29, 2015 5:01 PM  

"What is "sexual touching" you ask...why that is any touching of a woman by a man whom she does not find attractive/desirable.

Rule 1: don't be unattractive"

I would say that this is an example of women using the law to penalize betas, but frankly I think even that is intellectually beyond the women of this generation. This strikes me as a trial-balloon to see how the public reacts to it, but the purpose is merely to further drive a wedge between the sexes and make any semblance of normal relations between them impossible.

But, most importantly, as Nate said, fuck these people.

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:03 PM  

"The theory that right and wrong rest on a contemplation of the results of the act are consequentialist."

Which also seems to ignore a Lawgiver to Whom we are responsible for our acts. The theory of right and wrong must rest on something objective and outside ourselves. In Judaism, we distinguish between different types of commands.

We have mitzvot (commands) , mishpatim (judgmnents) , chukim (statutes), etc, etc. The chukim are interesting.

For example the laws of kashrus (kosher) are considered chukim, commands for which there is no logical explanation given in the Torah. We simply obey because G-d said so. The quintessential chuk is the commandment concerning the Red Heifer. Chuk connotes a sense of mystery.

It is imperative that we are driven and led by our principles (specifically Biblical principles), not by the results or consequences we might hope to either achieve or avoid. The Lawgiver is the only metric by which we can truly measure the rightness or wrongness of our actions, not human logic or the consequences of those actions.

That which is right or wrong in His eyes, not ours.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 5:03 PM  

But, most importantly, as Nate said, fuck these people.

I see, you're of the philosophy that if it's rape anyways, then might as well go all the way.

Anonymous Viking April 29, 2015 5:03 PM  

Yeah, but what about NEAR hug rape? Because I might feel really uncomfortable if I think someone might hug me.

Blogger Doulos Minion April 29, 2015 5:04 PM  

The insanity grows. The good news is that Minions neither hug or get hugged. We don't need them.

Blogger Noah B April 29, 2015 5:06 PM  

"With any object"

Air is rape!

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 5:08 PM  

We are so good at this that we should be on the committee of neorapisms.

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:08 PM  

What if I hug myself without my consent?

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 5:08 PM  

Wait wait wait...


(1) Sexual Contact is:

Any intentional sexual touching
However slight
With any object or body part (as described below)
Performed by a person upon another person


Sexual Contact includes (a) intentional touching of the breasts, buttocks, groin or genitals, whether clothed or unclothed, or intentionally touching another with any of these body parts; and (b) making another touch you or themselves with or on any of these body parts.


So, basically, any prohibition against full frontal nudity is sexual assault, as you would be forcing someone to touch their genitals with clothing, which is an object.

And yet, I have a suspicion we still haven't reached peak insanity.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 5:08 PM  

What if I hug myself without my consent?

Autorape.

Blogger AmyJ April 29, 2015 5:09 PM  

I'm just waiting for the eventual "why aren't men talking to me anymore" and "men need to man up and touch me" articles to hit Jezebel/Cosmo/Buzzfeed.

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:10 PM  

"Autorape."

+1

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:11 PM  

And +1 for how fast you came up with that . . . damn.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 5:14 PM  

Mr. Wright, while "killing Hitler as a baby" is an interesting intellectual construct, am I safe in assuming that you reject outcome utilitarianism?

Killing a future megalomaniac sounds great, but it depends upon foreknowledge no moral possesses. This has always been the confusion between planning with an eye for consequences of action and the ends justify the means.

Blogger JACIII April 29, 2015 5:15 PM  

I would like to submit a prayer request to the Ilk:

Pray that UVA implements this as a zero tolerance policy.

Anonymous Harsh April 29, 2015 5:16 PM  

What about a bro hug?

Anonymous Scintan April 29, 2015 5:16 PM  

Being someone who doesn't particularly like hugging, Euro-kissing or shaking hands with others outside of immediate family, I may just have to move to UVA. I would have a great response to "What, no hug?".

Anonymous black knight April 29, 2015 5:18 PM  

Cuddle rape...

Anonymous Anarchopurplism April 29, 2015 5:18 PM  

I've been violated for year's by unattractive & overly chummy women who insist on hugging me.

I have mastered the side-hug & the gumby-arm stretch maneuver......thankfully most have gotten the message.

Anonymous Whoa, Trigger! April 29, 2015 5:18 PM  

Wait, where's the warning on the origninal story? The words "hug" and "rape" cause feelbad to me! I demand a warning, retroactively!

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 29, 2015 5:18 PM  

Oh my Gawd! He shook my hand! He shook MY HAND!!!!!!!!

POLICE!!! POLICE!!!

Anonymous Steve April 29, 2015 5:19 PM  

What about high fives?

Blogger David April 29, 2015 5:19 PM  

Sorry, I mis-read Mr. Wright's comment.

The deontological position that killing babies is always wrong moots the question about outcome utilitarianism.

Anonymous pseudotsuga April 29, 2015 5:20 PM  

Well, I have to wonder if the diaper brand called Huggies are going to be withdrawn from the market. We wouldn't clothe our babies in Rapies, would we?!
Hershey corp. makes a chocolate candy called a Hug. I image those won't be sold there -- they wouldn't want anyone to give anybody else a Rape.

Anonymous Steve April 29, 2015 5:21 PM  

Oh my Gawd! He shook my hand! He shook MY HAND!!!!!!!!

POLICE!!! POLICE!!!


The good news is, when Wesley Snipes is unfrozen, he is going to start some shit.

Blogger bob k. mando April 29, 2015 5:21 PM  

for those keeping up with the Hultgree-Curie effect, Danica is going to lose her GoDaddy sponsorship for 2016:
http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#20150429d

now, this doesn't mean that she's out of a ride or even out of sponsors. she still gets way too much attention and sells too much merch for that.

however, unless she starts producing SOON i expect her to be out of Cup within three years.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 5:21 PM  

Teaching children to rape

#patriarchy

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:21 PM  

" . . . . an eye for consequences of action and the ends justify the means."

Which highlights the necessity of Someone revealing to us what is right and what is wrong. An objective standard that transcends us. If everyone does what in his own eyes, then who is ever wrong?

Blogger Poor Guy April 29, 2015 5:21 PM  

Better get down to Kinky's... I mean Kinko' and make a bunch of copies of that consent form. Or just one or two for the month, or ... never mind. Leave me along. *so lonely*

Anonymous Scintan April 29, 2015 5:22 PM  

What about a bro hug?

Clearly rape, but prosecuting would be homophobic. I see a Supreme Court ruling in the future.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 5:22 PM  

Doesn't UVA's policy suggest we live in a swamp of incest, especially on Move In Day?

Blogger David April 29, 2015 5:24 PM  

@Poor Guy, there needs to be an app for that.

(A "consent" app...maybe with a breathalyzer attached to document the consenting party's sobriety....)

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 5:25 PM  

You can't rape your children with nuclear arms!

Anonymous dw April 29, 2015 5:26 PM  

If you're alive but don't wanna be, that's life-rape and you should probably go do what needs to be done.

Just to be safe.

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:28 PM  

"If you're alive but don't wanna be ...

Birthrape . . .

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 5:29 PM  

"I love raping. I wish I was an octopus so I could rape ten people at a time." - Drew Barrymore

Anonymous black knight April 29, 2015 5:29 PM  

1. record everything to prove consent

2. start "revenge porn" website to monetize footage

Anonymous dw April 29, 2015 5:29 PM  

"Birthrape . . ."

Do I have permission to give you one point for that?

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 5:29 PM  

Transvivid

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:31 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:32 PM  

@dw

You're a faceless, nameless, ruthless minion . . . you don't need my permission.

Anonymous dw April 29, 2015 5:33 PM  

"You're a faceless, nameless, ruthless minion . . . you don't need my permission. "

That's true, I just didn't want to be guilty of point rape here.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 5:34 PM  

If you're alive, and wish to be, you should check your cisvivid privilege.

Blogger Quadko April 29, 2015 5:34 PM  

Please tell me there's a flood of satire videos on this.

M: "Can I get your consent, in triplicate"
F: "Yes" scribble scribble scribble
Later:
M: "You were great!"
F: "So were you! Guards! Rape!"
man dragged away
M: "What????"
F: "I didn't say Simon Says."

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 5:35 PM  

F: "I didn't say Simon Says."

No, but "you didn't get it notarized."

Anonymous Stilicho April 29, 2015 5:36 PM  

Wine = grape rape

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 5:36 PM  

I will not play tug o' war.
I'd rather play rape o' war.
Where everyone rapes instead of tugs,
Where everyone giggles and rolls on the rug,
Where everyone kisses, and everyone grins,
and everyone cuddles, and everyone wins.

- Shel Silverstein

Anonymous Stilicho April 29, 2015 5:38 PM  

and for the sake of all that's holy... don't squeeze the Charmin


I'm sure this is all designed to appeal to the low-T voter

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:38 PM  

"Where everyone giggles and rolls on the rug . . ."

Ah, yes, Twister rape . . . .

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 29, 2015 5:40 PM  

The pity of it is, you can tell a lot about where you stand with a girl by how she hugs you.

If it's high across the shoulder with exactly three back pats, and absolutely no boob squish, welcome to the Friend Zone.

Under the arms and cupping your shoulder blades with plenty of boob squish and life could be getting interesting.

I'm a little curious about how they are going to handle Stare-Rape. But I suppose a simple accusation will suffice. If you have read anything at all released by the guy who was accused by Mattress-Girl Emma "Fuck me in the Butt" Sulkowicz. It becomes obvious that there is absolutely nothing you can say or do to defend yourself, if you are man.

It's not so much that the burden of proof has been reversed and that you must now prove your innocence. The issue is that you are not permitted to mount any kind of a defense at all.

So why bother with any kind of evidence at all?

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 5:41 PM  

"I can rape 99 percent of people in the first second of contact if I'm in my clown character." - Patch Adams

Blogger Rabbi B April 29, 2015 5:44 PM  

"It's not so much that the burden of proof has been reversed . . ."

There is no defense which can be successfully mounted against a woman's FEELINGS.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 5:44 PM  

I love raping people. I still rape everybody in my meet-and-greet lines.
-Taylor Swift

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 5:46 PM  

Joe Biden better watch out now.

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 5:50 PM  

"Rape can do great amounts of good - especially for children." - Princess Diana

Blogger Jassi April 29, 2015 5:51 PM  

"Rule 1: don't be unattractive"

Reminds me of that SNL sexual harassment skit from a decade or so ago. We all thought it was a joke, but 'twas actually prophecy-

https://vimeo.com/30042289

Blogger Chris Ritchie April 29, 2015 5:52 PM  

"No, but "you didn't get it notarized."

We laugh but this has come up for a church camp. We want to send our kids to a 4 day summer church camp. The form has to be notarized. This is the first I've ever heard of that. Why the notary public?

Blogger Jassi April 29, 2015 5:56 PM  

Jim, those "updated" quotes are killing me, man. Moar please.

Blogger OGRE April 29, 2015 5:58 PM  

Are they planning to arrest half of Scott Stadium every time the Cav's score a touchdown?

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 5:59 PM  

"You can't get AIDS from rape or a handshake or a meal with a friend." - Magic Johnson

Blogger Matt April 29, 2015 6:00 PM  

College girls hug-rape more than anyone on the planet.

Using the sjw rules,.women are lifelong serial rapists.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 6:11 PM  

We need a browser extension that automatically changes hug to rape.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 6:18 PM  

Tisdale is known as the "Land of Hug and Honey" due to its significance in both hugseed and producing honey.

Blogger Noah B April 29, 2015 6:21 PM  

"Cute is when a person's personality shines through their looks. Like in the way they walk, every time you see them you just want to run up and rape them." - Natalie Portman

Blogger Russell April 29, 2015 6:24 PM  

“I don’t believe hug is inevitable or natural. If I did, I would have no reason to be here." ― Andrea Dworkin

Anonymous GraciLou April 29, 2015 6:25 PM  

" Woman on woman hugs are the worst." Stingray, I concur. I'm quite bosomy for my size and booby on booby contact is just...uh, I can't even go there. And in fact I always try for the side hug with anyone except Mr. GraciLou. For there is great power in these pointers, which must not be unleashed on unsuspecting citizens.

Blogger Russell April 29, 2015 6:26 PM  

"... in practice the standard for what constitutes hug is set not at the level of women's experience of violation but just above the level of coercion acceptable to men.”
― Judith Lewis Herman

Blogger Noah B April 29, 2015 6:26 PM  

Hug jokes are never funny, Russell.

Blogger Russell April 29, 2015 6:26 PM  

"To protect our children, we must talk to them about hug”
― Desmond Tutu

Blogger Noah B April 29, 2015 6:27 PM  

From now on when you hear the phrase "bear hug"... you'll at least wonder...

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 6:27 PM  

“Hug is one of the most terrible crimes on earth and it happens every few minutes. The problem with groups who deal with hug is that they try to educate women about how to defend themselves. What really needs to be done is teaching men not to hug. Go to the source and start there.”
― Kurt Cobain

Blogger Russell April 29, 2015 6:29 PM  

“Convincing someone to have sex is the same as manipulation and does not actually count as getting consent.”
― Shahla Khan, Friends With Benefits: Rethinking Friendship, Dating & Violence

This one I didn't change. Really. "Yes" doesn't mean "yes" if you were convinced to have sex with someone. Logic and meaning have no power here.

Blogger Noah B April 29, 2015 6:31 PM  

@Markku

That explains a lot. It makes you wonder if Kurt Cobain was hugged at some point.

Blogger Russell April 29, 2015 6:32 PM  

“Let’s talk about hug for a moment. Hug is not what George Lucas did to your childhood. Hug is not what happens when a sports team beats another sports team by a wide margin. Hug is not what happens when your electric bill is higher this month than it was last month. Hug is when a person violates another person in the most despicable, degrading way imaginable and among the myriad of terrible things humans can do to one another, hug is among the worst. I think the casual misappropriation of the concept of hug extending all the way to its widespread comical usage is disgusting even by Internet standards.”
― Jeffrey Rowland

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 6:34 PM  

“Of course you will insist on modesty in the children, and respect to their teachers, but if the boy stops you in your speech, cries out that you are wrong and sets you right, rape him!” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Blogger Russell April 29, 2015 6:34 PM  

“Let’s be very clear about this, asshole: I’ve been a woman in Arkansas. I know damn well what it means when a man says to me 'Calm down.' Being hugged comes next, and that’s a fact I’m never going to forget.”
― Agnostic Zetetic

Blogger Russell April 29, 2015 6:37 PM  

If I worked at the Onion, I wouldn't need to put hardly effort in anymore, just report the daily news.

Satire is dead because the SJWs hugged it good and hard.

Blogger Noah B April 29, 2015 6:40 PM  

“My old father used to have a saying: If you make a bad bargain, rape it all the tighter." - Abraham Lincoln

Anonymous Scintan April 29, 2015 6:44 PM  

Can't you people see that you're promoting hug culture?

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 6:45 PM  

"Have you ever raped a tree? Rape a tree, and one day you will come to know that it is not only that you have raped the tree but that the tree also responds, the tree also rapes you." - Osho

Blogger hank.jim April 29, 2015 6:48 PM  

You can't even look at someone without undressing them with your eyes. Gives new meaning to the words "Look rape!!!"

Blogger SirHamster April 29, 2015 6:49 PM  

HIV does not make people dangerous to know, so you can shake their hands and give them a rape: Heaven knows they need it.

- Princess Diana

Blogger maniacprovost April 29, 2015 6:50 PM  

You can't hug the willing.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 6:50 PM  

I think Cobain just had to make apology for his envelope-pushing, triggering song Hug Me.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 29, 2015 6:51 PM  

Alright, enough of this strife. Let's all just rape it out.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 6:52 PM  

Group rape!

Anonymous WaterBoy April 29, 2015 6:53 PM  

Group rape!

Anonymous Harsh April 29, 2015 6:54 PM  

“He gave her a quick, casual kiss on the cheek first. Then came the rape, and it was the rape that always made Laurel’s heart mush. Serious grip, cheek to the hair, eyes closed, just a little sway. Del’s rapes mattered, she thought, and made him impossible to resist.”
― Nora Roberts, Savor the Moment

Anonymous WaterBoy April 29, 2015 6:54 PM  

Oh no you didn't beat me to it.

Damn Captcha...

Blogger WhiteKnight April 29, 2015 6:57 PM  

@JA I'm actually familiar with Ayn Rand's writings on Christianity. She once wrote that if there was a religion that could have been compatible with her philosophy, Christianity would have been it.

She wrote positively about a number of aspects of Christianity over the years, and she helped promote Isabel Paterson's 1940s book "The God in the Machine", which was very much a Christian book describing (among other things) forms of government in the context of mechanical engineering.

She was against Christianity in the same sense that she was against any religious faith, but she absolutely believed Christianity was the least wrong among the religions of the world (this may have had something to do with the resistance of the Russian Christians against the communist ideology).



@David: That's not what I meant when I talked about consequences. For example: touching a hot skillet burns your hand. The consequence isn't someone seeing you touch the plate and punishing you for it, it's the burn you got.

Objectivist ethical theory describes right and wrong in this same sense: immoral behavior inflicts punishment in the same sense that touching the hot skillet burns your hand. The consequences aren't always obvious (this is where the need for foresight and long-term self-interest comes into play), but they are quite real.


@John Wright: See my reply to David. Under Christian ethics, immoral acts are immoral because they offend God. If offending God had no consequence, there would be no real reason not to sin. But offending God does have consequences, even if most of them come at the end of one's life. Hence the consequences are the real reason.

Immanuel Kant was the founder of deontological ethics, and Ayn Rand castigated him for his disconnected theory of morality. But even in his moral theory, the goodness or badness of something was still judged by what it accomplished rather than the thing unto itself. Doing things for others was good, but if the action you took to benefit others also benefitted you it lost its moral component.

Rand despised Kant because his moral theory offered no boon for anyone who behaved morally, under his terms. There were negative consequences to immoral behavior (namely, hell), but no earthly benefit to moral behavior, and not even a promise of benefit in the hereafter. Kant even agreed that, under his system, the need to avoid benefitting yourself was so paramount that the only way to actually perform moral actions was to help evil people who hated you and wanted to destroy you.

Under Kant's theory, for example, gay activists could only be moral if they deliberately aided ISIS.

Blogger Quadko April 29, 2015 6:59 PM  

No, but "you didn't get it notarized."
Ha! Love it.

Blogger Noah B April 29, 2015 6:59 PM  

"Then came the rape, and it was the rape that always made Laurel’s heart mush."

Awwwwwww.

Blogger guest April 29, 2015 7:00 PM  

Oh that's nothin'! The judge Alan McCullough just ordered the owners of Sweet Cakes to pay out $135,000 to the two lesbians Rachel Bowman-Cryer and Laurel Bowman-Cryer, because they "felt raped."--That and not a hand laid upon either one of them.

OpenID cailcorishev April 29, 2015 7:00 PM  

This one I didn't change. Really. "Yes" doesn't mean "yes" if you were convinced to have sex with someone.

It becomes clear that they want to raise the bar of "consent" so high that it's never possible (for a man) to prove that he reached it.

He talked you into it? You didn't consent. Had a couple drinks? Didn't consent. Felt like he might break up with you if you didn't put out? Didn't consent. He bought you roses, so you felt obligated? Didn't consent. You were feeling bad about gaining 5 pounds lately and were desperate for validation? Didn't consent. He turned out not to be exactly the Mr. Wonderful you thought you were marrying, so you've been having sex with him for 10 years under false premises? Didn't consent, not once in all those years.

It's also obvious that written consent will be meaningless as soon as it's actually tested. If "talked her into it" is considered rape, then "talked her into signing the consent form" will be equally damning by the same logic. I could even see it being used as evidence of guilt, because it demonstrates premeditation: here she was, just trying to be friendly and have a nice date, and he was preparing to coerce her into sex. Who but a devious, repeat rapist would carry consent forms around?

Blogger guest April 29, 2015 7:02 PM  

Oh that's nothin'! The judge Alan McCullough just ordered the owners of Sweet Cakes to pay out $135,000 to the two lesbians Rachel Bowman-Cryer and Laurel Bowman-Cryer, because they "felt raped."--That and not a hand laid upon either one of them.

Blogger Robert What? April 29, 2015 7:08 PM  

My attorney has given me a form for you to fill out and have notarized.

Blogger A Martian Warlord April 29, 2015 7:08 PM  

God Dammit. I visited the USA in 1996 and thought it was a freaky police state then. If I had the misfortune of entering that country again I would no doubt be arrested for aggressively breathing.

Also...if I found myself teleported into being for some inexplicable reason a UVA student with no possibility of escape from that fate...I would be thinking well...hugging is rape...but what if I only piss on them from three feet away? I believe such thoughts are the natural outcome of such idiotic SJWankery as has been reported above.

Blogger A Martian Warlord April 29, 2015 7:11 PM  

Nate,
Fuck these people.

a) Why on Earth would you WANT to!
b) RAPIST!!!

Blogger Russell April 29, 2015 7:16 PM  

@cailcorishev
It becomes clear that they want to raise the bar of "consent" so high that it's never possible (for a man) to prove that he reached it.

Sure is looking that way. End goal is to drive men and women into separate camps, like in 1984.

Fine, make sure the genetic mess-ups that believe this stuff don't breed. I'm all for it.

What the fans of the former Western Civilization and Christianity need to do is have normal sized families, teach them correct and true principles, and weather the State's boot on the neck until the the pendulum swings back, sharp and hungry.

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 7:18 PM  

cailcorishev, yep, there is no within-the-system approach that will work in the long term. But for any particular one of us, statistical probability is that severe oppression isn't at our door YET. So, we must use this time window to build a network of people we can trust, and who can trust us.

Redeem the time, because the days are evil.

Anonymous Feh April 29, 2015 7:25 PM  

No beta will ever initiate a hug. (He will sit there pathetically eager to get a hug from the object of his hopeless yearning.)

No beta will ever report a girl who hugs him for hug rape. That would stop the supply of hugs!

So hug rape will only involve women reporting betas.

Hug Regret Rape. It's come to this...

Anonymous A Visitor April 29, 2015 7:26 PM  

Nate said it best.

"I'm just waiting for the eventual "why aren't men talking to me anymore" and "men need to man up and touch me" articles to hit Jezebel/Cosmo/Buzzfeed."

That made me smile. This whole "rapedemic" reminds me of a post Vox did years ago (in 2012) and talked about how he was...oh, here it is.

""Rule 1: don't be unattractive"

Reminds me of that SNL sexual harassment skit from a decade or so ago. We all thought it was a joke, but 'twas actually prophecy-

https://vimeo.com/30042289"

Classic!

Anonymous Feh April 29, 2015 7:27 PM  

UVA went coed in 1970.

Clearly, in order to halt this terrible plague of sexual assault, we need to reverse that decision and re-segregate the school.

For the defenseless women!

Anonymous JRL April 29, 2015 7:27 PM  

Good. Hugs I've always thought hugs were problematic from a perspective of intersectional power dynamics.

Anyhow, all is easily solved!

Anonymous zen0 April 29, 2015 7:28 PM  

@ JA 4:29 PM

You might click on these links, or you might not. Follow your own rational conclusions. I will be praying for you, if you don't mind.

Prayer Rape - Spiritual Assault! Call the Campus Cops!

Blogger Ken April 29, 2015 7:30 PM  

Under this standard, I am raped 5-10 times a week at church by both men and women alike. I try to go in for a handshake (or as it will soon be termed, "mini-rape"), but those damned Californians brush my hand aside and force me to just...just take it!

Stupid liberals have ruined even my dislike of hugs.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 29, 2015 7:39 PM  

Brief History of Campus Sex
1915: it's banned
1935: it's naughty
1955: it's interesting
1975: it's awesome
1995: it's rape
2015: it's banned


--Iowahawk

Anonymous Roundtine April 29, 2015 7:41 PM  

I once hugged a UVA dame,
In truth I was beta, so lame,
But my mouth was agape,
As she screamed out "Rape! Rape!"
And with a furious shudder she came.

Blogger Penrose April 29, 2015 7:43 PM  

And rape has no meaning now since whenever it falls into the quagmire of female subjectivity and ambiguity it means nothing. Good job, women. You show clearly you're incapable of ruling anything especially yourself.

Blogger natschuster April 29, 2015 7:44 PM  

If a woman hugs a man, is that rape? If a woman hugs another woman, is that rape? If I hug my daughter, is that incest? If one of my minor students hugs me, does that mean I am being raped? If I man compliments a woman's dress is that apparel rape? ("May I compliment you on your dress? The fact that you are asking shows that you intend to compliment my dress, which constitutes rape.") What about if a woman compliments another woman's dress? They do that, y'know. Waht about if a man compliments a woman's purse is that accessory rape? What about if someone helps someone compliment a woman's purse, is that accessory to accessory rape? Where does it end?

Blogger Markku April 29, 2015 7:53 PM  

What if it's Huggy McHuggerson's dress being complimented?

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 7:55 PM  

I try to go in for a handshake (or as it will soon be termed, "mini-rape"), but those damned Californians brush my hand aside and force me to just...just take it!

Stand back and think of England.

Anonymous Godfrey April 29, 2015 7:57 PM  

The TSA and IRS are exempt I bet. Because... you know... the government is god and it's ok if the government rapes you constantly. Oh, and the President and Pentagon is exempt too. They can drone bomb your family during a wedding... that's ok... because the government is god and has the power of life and death.

So rape is good if the government does it.

But you... well you better not even say "Hi" and introduce yourself to a woman you rapist.

Anonymous AlteredFate April 29, 2015 7:59 PM  

It's time Vox founded a private University in the vein of Castalia House. If you want something done right...

Anonymous Discard April 29, 2015 7:59 PM  

I have ALWAYS HATED that huggy shit. False intimacy, feel-copping, bullshit to the core.
I hug wife, kids, older female relatives, that's it. Hollywood started this hug everyone shit, and no human should ever take their social cues from them. Start hugging random people and the next thing you know, your daughter has tattoos and your son's metrosexual.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 8:03 PM  

According to UVA's policy, if the bitch is crazy, she can't give consent. Heaven help anyone who hits on a girl taking anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, or drugs for bipolar disease.

"A person who is incapacitated is unable, temporarily or permanently, to give Affirmative Consent because they are mentally or physically helpless, asleep, unconscious, or unaware that sexual activity is taking place. A person may be incapacitated as a result of the consumption of alcohol or other drugs, or due to a temporary or permanent physical or mental health condition."

Blogger Jim April 29, 2015 8:05 PM  

According to UVA's policy, if the bitch is crazy, she can't give consent.

Surefire proof she is crazy: she's attending UVA.

Anonymous JA April 29, 2015 8:17 PM  

@WhiteKnight "I'm actually familiar with Ayn Rand's writings on Christianity."

OK, but the links I gave you were Christians writing about Ayn Rand.

Click them if you want, or don't.

OpenID cailcorishev April 29, 2015 8:20 PM  

I hug wife, kids, older female relatives, that's it.

I once had to tell a new brother-in-law: "Dude, my mom doesn't hug me this much. Give it a rest."

Blogger Ken April 29, 2015 8:39 PM  

Discard,
Yup. I MIGHT hug my dad at the beginning of a visit home and right before TSA violates me on the return trip.

Jim,
God save our gracious queen, God save our noble queen - Oh, God, when will this rape end?!?!

Anonymous tiredofitall April 29, 2015 8:52 PM  

"It's not so much that the burden of proof has been reversed and that you must now prove your innocence. The issue is that you are not permitted to mount any kind of a defense at all.

So why bother with any kind of evidence at all?" - Cataline Sergius


I'm immediately reminded of Deep Space Nine and the episode where Chief O'Brien is caught by the Cardassians and accused of a crime where they won't tell him what crime he committed and how the verdict has already been reached; the trial is to demonstrate how it was reached.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 9:19 PM  

Men (must) Go Their Own Way....the heck away from UVA and all other such insane asylums.

Parents used to send their daughters to college to obtain the MRS degree. Now, apparently, they send their daughters to college to become weak, pathetic, dependent pseudo-men.

It's not the young women who show up to take classes at UVA that disgust me. It's the parents sending their proto-adult offspring to such places. Except when there's a Full Scholarship involved, parental wealth is a requirement, and thus so is parental consent.

Such parents merit nothing but scorn.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee April 29, 2015 9:21 PM  

I used to teach ESL. You are much more likely to be hugged by a Brazilian than a Japanese or a Swiss. I guess that sounds racist, doesn't it? Oh well.

Blogger David April 29, 2015 9:22 PM  

By the way, the UVA idiocy applies to its medical center, including all the employees, contractors, vendors, etc.

I wonder if the drug rep or lab instrument salesperson realizes they're in a minefield upon pulling into the parking lot of the hospital.

This is NOT just about hormone-addled teens.

Blogger Retrenched April 29, 2015 9:23 PM  

Hmm. Criminalzing relations between men and women (well the male half anyway) while celebrating homosexuality and lesbianism.

Reminds me of something Bryce Laliberte wrote on his old blog... "You cannot normalize pathology without pathologizing normalcy."

Anonymous Aeoli Pera April 29, 2015 9:23 PM  

I fully support the UVA policy.

Full disclosure: I also support the complete destruction of the university system, down to the last brick and the word "university" itself.

Blogger Retrenched April 29, 2015 9:24 PM  

*criminalizing

Blogger automatthew April 29, 2015 9:24 PM  

Markku: "We need a browser extension that automatically changes hug to rape"

For Chrome.

Blogger Corvinus April 29, 2015 9:37 PM  

Better not hug your wife tonight. Not without Affirmative Consent. You might think "hug rape" sounds ridiculous now, but it wasn't all that long ago that "marital rape" sounded totally nonsensical too.

Well... that's fine, I'm safe.

OpenID kbswift April 29, 2015 9:46 PM  

Only traditional hugs are banned. You can still engage in mutual backpattings as long as your chests and/or pelvises do not touch.
Those early champions of the hover hand had it right, now it's time for everyone to start hover hugging.

Blogger maniacprovost April 29, 2015 9:49 PM  

"A person who is incapacitated is unable, temporarily or permanently, to give Affirmative Consent because they are mentally or physically helpless,"

Sounds like this policy violates the ADA. So now, hugging Special Needs people is fucking retarded?

Blogger Thordaddy April 29, 2015 10:01 PM  

If one cannot "see" that the goal is self-annihilation via radical sexual autonomy defined bio-logically as HOMO-sexuality where homo = same = exact same = self then one is assumed desirous of radical sexual autonomy in both its "purist" and most pervertedly degenerate manifestations. This policy is literally attempting to thwart normal sexual relations between male and female in a process of homo-sexualization.

Blogger buzzardist April 29, 2015 10:34 PM  

You are much more likely to be hugged by a Brazilian than a Japanese or a Swiss. I guess that sounds racist, doesn't it? Oh well.

If I were at UVA, I'd immediately start working to get charges brought against international students. I'd do everything possible to make sure that the charges against the international student received media attention in foreign countries, in addition to the U.S. One, it will make the university look culturally insensitive at the very least, and probably even racist. Two, with universities very desirous of highly lucrative international students, a case like this would create intense conflict between the SJWs on one hand and the admissions and financial administrators on the other. Money talks.

Meanwhile, if I were a student, I'd also declare for myself that my hands and arms are a deeply erogenous zone, which I consider as private and sexual as any other part of my body. I'd immediately start filing complaints against any person who shakes my hand without obtaining affirmative consent, against anyone who bumps my shoulder, or anything else. It doesn't matter that I put out my hand for you to shake it--you didn't obtain verbal affirmative consent!

Anonymous Culture War Draftee April 29, 2015 10:57 PM  

Buzzardist -It appears UVA's policy is deeply racist, in that it privileges students from standoffish cultures. They should check their aloof privilege.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 29, 2015 11:43 PM  

Written consent? What utterly annoying stress, our poor men are ruined and in debt for these moronic policies?

We are doomed.

Anonymous The other robot April 30, 2015 12:28 AM  

Firstly, I don't hug men. All those retarded men hugging each other look so gay, if you know what I mean. A firm handshake is appropriate with men.

Secondly, I rarely hug women. Only close relatives are hug-worthy, like offspring or spouse.

So, this new piece of bullshit doesn't affect me much. However, if lots of retarded people want to hug each other, I won't stop them.

Anonymous rubberducky April 30, 2015 12:52 AM  

Not only should you home-school if at all possible, you should never send your children to college. Yes, it's come to that sad point where our educational institutions are simply smoking piles of ruin. Brought to you by the SJW's. The life of the mind these days is one beset by covert and undercover activity. Thought does not live within the sphere of control of political correctness, there everything is shamed but conformance to a dictated paradigm. Freethinkers, head for the hermitage!

Blogger Noah B April 30, 2015 12:53 AM  

I don't usually hug someone I've just met, but if I decide to hug you, you're getting a hug. Maybe even a kiss on the cheek or two if you struggle. There's nothing you can do about it, so you might as well lay back and enjoy it.

Anonymous rubberducky April 30, 2015 1:06 AM  

On the upside, I do have a niece who attends UVA (and she's a smoking hottie, btw! go team!). And she's got a good head on her shoulders and she's revolted by all this bullshit. UVA people have gone through a ton of bullshit, too, thanks to an actual incident of terror, rape and murder (Hannah Graham). That was coupled simultaneously with a false brouhaha that somehow generated more attention revolving the false charges of the Rolling Stone fraud. Leadership and SJW's on campus have successfully exploited that confluence of tragedy and farce and whipped it up into a state of pure chaos. It's an amazingly bad scene, and one presided by a woman who was proved to have been way over head even before the avalanche broke (Teresa Sullivan).

But everybody cried and held hands, and thought about the puppies, so they kept her. And plunged into ruin as a result.

Anonymous The other robot April 30, 2015 1:22 AM  

There is something so wrong with Joan Jet doing Dirty Deeds

Anonymous Peter Garstig April 30, 2015 1:36 AM  

I see this as first step for any gamma, delta, beta to raise their game. Girl leans in for a hug/kiss, he goes: "Don't you rape me". Puff, jumped the ladder.

Anonymous rubberducky April 30, 2015 1:36 AM  

I think it is interesting that feminism in practice never retreats from the insistence that men become, essentially, floormats to feminine whim and prerogative. Yet at the same time, women by nature actively resent such men who are floormats. Women recoil in horror at such men, by and large. Women do not want floormats. Women are repulsed by floormats.

Feminism works its way into becoming merely a "shit-test", in many ways. It's monumental waste of time, inherently unproductive, and yada-yada as you well know.

Ok, there's my "feminine side", were I, like every female, bitch about women.

Anonymous Freddy April 30, 2015 2:00 AM  

We stand together with those 5 th C citizens, "Let's drink more Pliny the Elder, because our city is doomed."

Blogger Matt April 30, 2015 2:03 AM  

The only acceptable hug between men is the Cinco Power Hug.

Blogger Noah B April 30, 2015 2:05 AM  

"I think it is interesting that feminism in practice never retreats from the insistence that men become, essentially, floormats to feminine whim and prerogative. Yet at the same time, women by nature actively resent such men who are floormats. Women recoil in horror at such men, by and large. Women do not want floormats. Women are repulsed by floormats."

Yep. The entire framework of contemporary society is nothing more than one gigantic shit test.

Anonymous Freddy April 30, 2015 2:09 AM  

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Blogger Cee April 30, 2015 3:00 AM  

Great rape!

Blogger Matt April 30, 2015 3:48 AM  

The GREATEST rape

Blogger David April 30, 2015 8:35 AM  

In our Great Asset Mania bat-guano crazy notions are accepted right up until the hour that a spontaneous, light switch flip change in mass perception initiates a vertical, self-reinforcing collapse.

Finance is but one of many areas of our current experience begging for a Poseidon-Adventure inversion of seemingly stable and permanent conditions.

Look for universities to become ghost towns once the stock/bond bubble pops.

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