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Tuesday, April 14, 2015

John C. Wright work disqualified

Hugo Awards news from Mike Glyer at File 770:
Sasquan, the 2015 Worldcon, has made changes to the final Hugo ballot to reflect  eligibility rulings by Hugo administrator John Lorentz.
  •     “Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus” by John C. Wright was previously published on a web site in 2013 prior to its inclusion in The Book of Feasts & Seasons in 2014, so it is not eligible for the 2015 Novelette Hugo.
  •     Jon Eno did not publish any qualifying artwork in 2014, so he is not eligible for the 2015 Professional Artist Hugo
Replacing Wright’s novelette on the ballot is “The Day The World Turned Upside Down” by Thomas Olde Heuvelt (Lightspeed Magazine, April 2014). Kirk DouPonce has been elevated to take Eno’s place in the Best Professional Artist category.
I think this is a serious mistake by Sasquan. Just as Dune and Ender's Game served as precedents for a shorter work reworked and published as a longer one, which was the case with both "One Bright Star to Guide Them" and "Big Boys Don't Cry", John Scalzi's Old Man's War serves as precedent for a work that appeared on the web prior to being professionally published and subsequently declared eligible in the latter year.

The comparison is particularly damning because John Scalzi specifically declared Old Man's War to have been self-published in 2002, three years prior to it being published by Tor in 2005 and being nominated as Best Novel in 2006. John C. Wright is a professional author who does not self-publish and he never claimed to have published "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus", he merely posted a work in progress on his site and removed it after Castalia House signed a contract with him to publish it. This action by Sasquan not only makes it appear as if there is one rule for SJWs who are Torlings and another for everyone else, but will serve as a chilling precedent to other writers to avoid publicly posting any unpublished and incomplete work they believe might be award-worthy in the future.

While neither I nor Castalia House intend to protest Sasquan's decision and we recognize their right to ignore the precedents established by previous Worldcons, I do not think the decision was a wise one, especially at a time when tempers are running unusually high. Both Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies exist because some members of the science fiction community were being treated as more equal than others, and the fact that John Scalzi and Tor Books are AGAIN the incongruous beneficiary of this sort of quietly preferential treatment is further evidence of the influential cliques and whispering campaigns that George Martin and other SJWs have disingenuously denied.

That being said, I have duly removed "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus" from the collection we are preparing for the Hugo Packet. And I trust that the various complaints about John C. Wright receiving six nominations can now stop, given that he now has no more nominations than Seanan McGuire received last year.

Meanwhile, another rabbit is up to the usual game. One Martha L. Thomases of New York, NY,  who "never knowingly slept with a Republican", has posted a fake review of RIDING THE RED HORSE:
What a piece of tripe. Exactly the kind of ...
By Martha L. Thomases "Martha Thomases"on April 13, 2015

What a piece of tripe. Exactly the kind of fiction that appeals to men who are insecure in their masculinity. My only regret is that one can't rate this book any less than one star.
I've reported it for abuse and inappropriate content as a fake review from someone who is not a verified purchase and has not read the book, and I encourage you to do the same. Please be aware, prospective fake reviewers, if you lie about us, we will not hesitate to tell the truth about you.

I am also encouraging Amazon to consider cancelling the accounts of reviewers who post fake reviews. Retroactively. It's an area they are looking into because their review system is very important to them, so keep that in mind when you are tempted to post a fake review. Note that Ms Thomases appears to be responding to this call by Glenn Hauman to post fake reviews of Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies works and thereby lower their average ratings.
Oh, and to answer the title question: what do you do to rabid puppies? You put them down.
I would point out that recommending a specific number of nominations for the Hugo ballot is within the rules. Posting fake reviews of books you have neither purchased nor read is absolutely not. I have repeatedly told people never to post any fake review for any reason. But if the SJWs truly want to play this game, we can certainly arrange to bring a hydrogen bomb to the knife fight.

As for retaliation against PZ's book, my position is the same as it was when McRapey's rabbits were posting fake reviews on Amazon. First, PZ didn't take any such action himself or advocate it. Second, he is not responsible for the actions of his readers. Third, one's integrity should not permit one to write a false review of a book, no matter how much one despises the author. Fourth, I am actively opposed to all fake reviews, be they pro or con.  I do not want anyone who considers himself a reader, a fan, a regular, or Dread Ilk to write fake reviews of anything. Why? Because lying about what you have not read is wrong.  

UPDATE: Glen Hauman is dumber than I thought. He's actually an author himself, complete with an Amazon page. Now, I do NOT recommend downgrading his books, but I absolute recommend bringing his call to violate the Amazon reviews system to Amazon's attention. And I call upon Hauman to recant and remove his idiotic call to put down the works written by the various Sad Puppies nominees.

UPDATE 2: Hauman must be a Making Light acolyte, given his penchant for disemvoweling. Here is what the disemvoweled comment on his site says:
*shakes head slowly* You guys really are a special brand of stupid, aren’t you? Do you enjoy poking bears with sticks as well? His audience dwarfs yours and he’s not above using the same tactics as you (as you so helpfully pointed out). So you go ahead and suggest An Approach that can only possibly win if your audience is larger than his. What exactly do you hope to accomplish? BTW, talking about the Hugo Awards without actually talking about the Hugo Awards is dishonest. Why not use an honest title, like “Vox is a horrible person. Here’s how to beat him at his own game.” I only suggest that title because you’ve shown you don’t care about committing libel.

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155 Comments:

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 14, 2015 6:09 AM  

I am also encouraging Amazon to consider cancelling the accounts of reviewers who post fake reviews. Retroactively.

That's a very good idea.

Blogger Edd Jobs April 14, 2015 6:17 AM  

"The comparison is particularly damning because John Scalzi specifically declared Old Man's War to have been self-published in 2002, three years prior to it being published by Tor in 2005 and being nominated as Best Novel in 2006."

Here's a chance for Scalzi to show what he's made of. "Whatever" that might be.

Anonymous Anonymous April 14, 2015 6:18 AM  

The Steam system is a good benchmark. Must have bought the game, and it shows how many hours the game was played (not sure if that can be hidden).

Blogger Edd Jobs April 14, 2015 6:26 AM  

Just a thought...

"A leading historian who wrote anonymous reviews on the Amazon website praising his own work and criticising rivals is to pay libel damages and costs. Orlando Figes, a professor at London's Birkbeck College, was sued by fellow historians Dr Rachel Polonsky and Professor Robert Service."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-10670407

Blogger skiballa April 14, 2015 6:33 AM  

Tagged as "Not Helpful", and reported as abuse, what else can we do to further the cause today, oh Dark One?

OpenID simplytimothy April 14, 2015 6:35 AM  

Exactly the kind of fiction that appeals to men who are insecure in their masculinity

lmfao.


Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 April 14, 2015 6:37 AM  

why isn't anyone surprised?

Anonymous SWW April 14, 2015 6:38 AM  

The Empire Strikes Back...

Anonymous jspiker April 14, 2015 6:49 AM  

Ok up until now this has just been interesting reading for me as a lurker here on your site. I mean I could use the 40$ for a voting membership for more tools for work or hunting supplies. Now I'm all in and the funny thing is I don't really like Mr Wright's books. I do enjoy his blog. But if they are going to pull this carp with everything else going on its like poking a bear in the eye.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 April 14, 2015 6:53 AM  

Martha L. Thomases

Somewhere near College Point off Whitestone Expressway, NY.
Listed on LinkedIn as VP of Corporate Communications at Comic Mix(need to be a LinkedIn person to get more)
Zodiac Sign: Cancer (heh)

Recent column: Gen Con Freedom Fighters (comments allowed)


Martha Thomases
Martha Thomases brought more comics to the attention of more people than anyone else in the industry. Her work promoting The Death of Superman made an entire nation share in the tragedy of one of our most iconic American heroes. As a freelance journalist, she has been published in the Village Voice, High Times, Spy, the National Lampoon, Metropolitan Home, and more. For Marvel comics she created the series Dakota North. Martha worked as a researcher and assistant for the author Norman Mailer on several of his books, including the Pulitzer-Prize-winning Executioner's Song, On Women and Their Elegance, Ancient Evenings, and Harlot's Ghost.


TRIGGER WARNING!!!!
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Blogger Franz Lionheart April 14, 2015 6:56 AM  

Then there's Glenn Hauman who encourages his readers* openly on his very Amazon author page to downvote the Amazon rankings of all Puppies (via a blog post linked** on his Amazon-embedded Twitter feed):

Glenn Hauman
@GlennHauman
What Do You Do To Rabid Puppies? (Answer Below.) http://t.co/RVrfbS0hA6


Giuseppe and I have discussed this in the doldrums of the preceding "23" post.

There's a Feedback form to report this unethical, and possibly in violation of author page's terms, behaviour back to Amazon.

There's also a discussion form, if some of the Ilk would like to discuss his actions directly on Glenn's page with him. I don't know if Amazon allows the authors to moderate the readers' discussions about them.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 April 14, 2015 7:00 AM  

@ Ed Jobs

Just a thought...

"A leading historian who wrote anonymous reviews on the Amazon website praising his own work and criticising rivals is to pay libel damages and costs. Orlando Figes, a professor at London's Birkbeck College, was sued by fellow historians Dr Rachel Polonsky and Professor Robert Service."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-10670407


Someone who can use FB or Yahoo might copy some relevant quote from that story and paste it in the comment section of her latest column (see link above)

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 14, 2015 7:00 AM  

* as far as he has any. No idea, never heard the name. Likely he's just jumping on the bandwagon to generate some publicity off the big names Correia, Day, GRRM, Scalzi, etc. embroiled in the controversy.


** the hilarity re the analogy to the famous Jemisin half-savage Twitter link isn't lost on me. But it's OK if they do it.

Anonymous Steve April 14, 2015 7:08 AM  

Fake review reported.

Apparently Martha Thomases is part of the cancer that is killing comics, too.

And this 'aging hippie Jewish mother living in NYC' is on Twitter, kvetching about "white privilege".

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 14, 2015 7:25 AM  

And Martha Thomases is a racist as well, who would have thunk it that yet another racial theorist of the left knowingly organizes their political life around race. Any kind gentle modcons want to comment on that before you denounce the dreaded "white ssooooopremacisss)?

Blogger Jim April 14, 2015 7:43 AM  

"Martha Thomases brought more comics to the attention of more people than anyone else in the industry. Her work promoting The Death of Superman..."

...turned me off of DC almost entirely. Well done! I didn't know who to blame for that until now.

OpenID cailcorishev April 14, 2015 7:43 AM  

men who are insecure in their masculinity

Their bag of tricks is so very, very small.

Anonymous jack April 14, 2015 7:46 AM  

I WILL read the work of the writer that replaced JCW for novelette. It will get its fair hearing. If its better than Wrights work I may vote for it. If not, then NO AWARD.

And, screw Worldcon for inconsistent application of its rules. So much for Worldcon being fair and above board in its admin of the Hugos as had been mentioned here before.

Blogger Shimshon April 14, 2015 7:46 AM  

Disemvoweling is a thing?

Anonymous Laz April 14, 2015 7:53 AM  

"disemvowelment of a piece of alphabetic text is rewriting it with all the vowel letters removed."

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 14, 2015 8:00 AM  

I thought at first the missing vowels thing was a clever trick to get me to really read and think about the message. Now that I realize it's supposed to be a punishment, I have to laugh at the stupidity. If I have to work hard to read that message, and I put in the effort, I am going to get it and remember it more than the article.

There was an old joke in academia that I think started with the AMS back in the 70s: Paper costs a lot. Journals are big and bulky. Hardly anybody reads a paper unless he really wants to read the paper. Therefore, they could achieve about a 10% cost savings by simply eliminating whitespace. People who want to read it will put in the effort, and they will remember more because they had to work harder.

Blogger Shimshon April 14, 2015 8:00 AM  

I noticed. First time I came across it. But I cannot believe that someone does that. Well, given the SJW's childishness and penchant to avoid actual discourse, it's not a surprise. Instead of spamming the comment, leave it there (thus also benefiting from the perception that it's a highly trafficked site), but obfuscate it to avoid dangerous trigger episodes. The badthink has been sanitized and feelgood has been preserved.

Blogger Hank Brown April 14, 2015 8:02 AM  

I've seen drive-by one star reviews on Amazon that I strongly suspected were fake/from people who never read the book in question. But I never said anything because I had no proof. How does Amazon determine it's fake? I'd like to report a lot of drive-bys.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 14, 2015 8:02 AM  

Excellent. Yes, I thought it was obvious, but when I said "fire at will" after posting a link to Glenn's amazon works it was not to imply doing fake reviews. I should have spelt it out, but the ilk are generally sane, luckily.

Blogger Vox April 14, 2015 8:09 AM  

But I never said anything because I had no proof. How does Amazon determine it's fake? I'd like to report a lot of drive-bys.

They have the reviewer's purchase records. They have a lot of very smart people who spend a lot of time creating predictive patterns. A fake review of the sort of book a reviewer never buys or reads stands out very clearly even without the usual textual tells.

Don't worry about proof. If you suspect it, report it. They'll make the call.

Anonymous B Lewis April 14, 2015 8:15 AM  

When I came out in favor of traditional marriage, the same mysterious, previously unheard-from negative reviewers suddenly appeared on my first book's Amazon page.

Fortunately, Quality Wins.My book is still in print and selling ten years later. The Chinese-language edition premiered just 18 months ago. I've co-authored two more books since then. Way to "ruin my career", SJ Wankers.

Blogger The Deuce April 14, 2015 8:16 AM  

Is there a particular place on the Amazon site I should go to report authors breaking the rules?

Anonymous Steve April 14, 2015 8:19 AM  

Shimson, MrGreenMan - disemvowelling is a passive-aggressive and effeminate practice.

If somebody spams, trolls or simply posts unwelcome messages on a site, the owners can delete, ban, or argue against it.

But editing someone's words to try to make the message look like gibberish? That's just petty bullshit, worthy of a snarky little toad.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 April 14, 2015 8:21 AM  

@ shimshon

Disemvoweling is a thing?

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.

Anonymous CK April 14, 2015 8:22 AM  

Might be a post-hoc edit, but at this point, Glen's article doesn't call for "false reviews" in the sense of not having read the book...

"Here’s a list of all of Mr. Beale’s nominees, complete with handy links to Amazon. It might be a good idea to take a look at the reviews and see which ones are helpful. If you’ve read the works, you should add your own review."

Blogger Shimshon April 14, 2015 8:26 AM  

zen0 You cannot disemvowel that which was never emvoweled to begin with. Besides, technically what you had is, by Hebrew standards, emvoweled (nekudot). Try again.

Blogger Mark Citadel April 14, 2015 8:30 AM  

Unbelievable they are still up to their tricks even after being humiliated. John C. Wright has every right to be outraged, but it just proves McRapey and his friends are a special elite class. I notice GRRM has gone very quiet. He is really scared of that debate.

Anonymous Steve April 14, 2015 8:32 AM  

Mark Citadel - I notice GRRM has gone very quiet. He is really scared of that debate.

Maybe he's busy not writing his book.

Anonymous RedJack April 14, 2015 8:32 AM  

I fully expect more to be bounced off the ballot.

I also expect that there will be more professional threats coming to the authors.

Blogger Jim April 14, 2015 8:40 AM  

"zen0 You cannot disemvowel that which was never emvoweled to begin with. Besides, technically what you had is, by Hebrew standards, emvoweled (nekudot). Try again."

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Anonymous Steve April 14, 2015 8:42 AM  

RedJack - I also expect that there will be more professional threats coming to the authors.

They mainly try to threaten the nice authors though (as far as I can tell).

So, Brad Torgersen and John C. Wright get the full 2 minute hate, but they don't want to mess with Kratman, possibly because they're not fans of crucifixion.

OpenID malcolmthecynic April 14, 2015 8:42 AM  

A real shame about Mr. Wright.

I agree with those here. If one of these works is BETTER than "Yes, Virginia" I will vote for it. If not, No Award.

I'm happy "Pale Realms of Shade" is still on the list, though.

Blogger Vox April 14, 2015 8:43 AM  

Glen's article doesn't call for "false reviews" in the sense of not having read the book...

Don't be disingenuous. Even he isn't quite that dumb. But his intent is perfectly clear: "what do you do to rabid puppies? You put them down."

Or do you interpret that as a death threat?

Blogger Shimshon April 14, 2015 8:50 AM  

Steve, the Tom Kratman Plan scales from atomic to galactic. It unifies Quantum Mechanics and Relativity.

Blogger Buddy E. April 14, 2015 8:50 AM  

Reported as obvious adolescent grade school babbling not worthy of having Amazon as a platform.

Anonymous kaflick April 14, 2015 8:52 AM  

I have decided that disemvoweling means to disembowel someone verbally and will continue to use it. It takes a sharp tongue and a sharper wit to do it correctly.

Anonymous Mike M. April 14, 2015 8:56 AM  

I'm starting to wonder if this isn't motivated by an effort to take out Castalia House as a rival. Quite possibly with a side helping of embarassment that a Hugo-nominated work got rejected by a certain publisher or editor.

Blogger Josh April 14, 2015 9:01 AM  

I have decided that disemvoweling means to disembowel someone verbally and will continue to use it. It takes a sharp tongue and a sharper wit to do it correctly.

That's not what it means in this case. They're literally removing the vowels from critical comments to render them more difficult to read.

Anonymous Alexander April 14, 2015 9:03 AM  

Might be a post-hoc edit, but at this point, Glen's article doesn't call for "false reviews" in the sense of not having read the book...

How else do you interpret, "you can game Amazon reviews as well"?

Anonymous Salt April 14, 2015 9:07 AM  

It's to bad because "Yes, Virginia" is awesome.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 14, 2015 9:12 AM  

Any angle these SJWs can get I guess.

What a bunch of sore losers. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Blogger Nate April 14, 2015 9:14 AM  

anyway... its kind of interesting to see the SJWs taking their DISQUALIFY! tactic literally for once...

Blogger Nate April 14, 2015 9:15 AM  

" It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic."

No. Its still funny.

Anonymous dh April 14, 2015 9:24 AM  

VD, this is a poor choice for the Hugo's long term because of the exact problem you forsee .. any early version of a work self-published must now held back or it becomes ineligible unless also published in the same year as a draft or sub-edit.

It would be a solid decision if you appealed.

Anonymous Leonidas April 14, 2015 9:30 AM  

I am a sad, sad puppy. "Virginia" is just plain one of the best things I read last year, period. And as you say, the professionalism that Sasquan has shown up until now just took a serious hit in my opinion.

"The rules are for thee but not for me," evidently.

Anonymous dh April 14, 2015 9:33 AM  

I wouldn't just straight to bad intentions on this one. These are volunteers, they may not know the precedent or rationale. Try to presume good faith with these people until you know it's not.

Blogger Nate April 14, 2015 9:36 AM  

the problem DH...is you have a controversy based on perceived double standards.... and this crops up in the middle of it... throwing fuel on the fire.

I'm not saying someone somewhere threw the SJWs a bone... but I am saying its easy to see it that way if one is looking.

Anonymous CK April 14, 2015 9:38 AM  

"Don't be disingenuous. Even he isn't quite that dumb. But his intent is perfectly clear: 'what do you do to rabid puppies? You put them down.'

Or do you interpret that as a death threat?"

Oh, the clear call is to disingenuously downgrade. I was just operating under the pretense that he was so dumb as to openly call for false reviews.

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 14, 2015 9:43 AM  

It would be a solid decision if you appealed.

Vox, strongly disagree with you not to appeal. Indeed strongly do agree with the problems you foresee for future authors stemming from the erroneous judgement of Worldcon.

This being your blog, it's OK if you only speak for yourself. However on behalf of Castalia House, I believe that you (and or Markku) owe it to your customers, and to the readers of JCW, to indeed appeal.

Would you please reconsider, if enough Ilk support this view?

Anonymous dh April 14, 2015 9:44 AM  

Nate-- agreed, it's easy to see how it looks shabby.

I watched the live stream, and the presenter was amazingly professional. That won my respect from the organizers. The crowd was hissing and eye rolling.

To me there isn't much incentive to go out the way to hurt Wright or VD on this matter, it really changes nothing.

Blogger Nate April 14, 2015 9:49 AM  

"To me there isn't much incentive to go out the way to hurt Wright or VD on this matter, it really changes nothing. "

like I say... it serves to throw the SJWs a bone. Or at least appears to.

Anonymous Alexander April 14, 2015 9:53 AM  

It's quite something when a science fiction convention finds itself bedazzled and bewildered by this newfangled technology called the internet.

I would have thought that such forward-thinking people would be on the forefront of how to integrate electronic media into the system. And I would have thought wrong.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 14, 2015 9:53 AM  

No. Its still funny.

You're probably right about that, but its too early for me to laugh at the misfortunes of others when I also pity them in their ineptitude.

Anonymous dh April 14, 2015 9:53 AM  

This guy who started this campaign to game Amazon isn't very smart. He works for a service provider who has dozens of clients with items for sale on Amazon. Why would he invite people to game Amazon, when his whole company he's VP of is fairly well dependent on Amazon for sales? I mean, many of their clients have only a few reviews. 25 or 50 ilk buy and review the works, beyond tripling some of their sales, it will really pull down the star rating of the works.

I'm the type of person that I would buy every single work, read them, and write long and detailed and honest reviews because of a slight. I know lots of others are. I can already tell from the art and the site I wouldn't enjoy the work all that much. I would imagine the reviews would be in the 1's or 2's, or it could be close.

Blogger Vox April 14, 2015 10:02 AM  

These are volunteers, they may not know the precedent or rationale. Try to presume good faith with these people until you know it's not.

We know they knew the precedent. John and I knew about this several days ago and John responded to them by pointing out the precedent. They not only chose to ignore it, but did not even respond to his appeal.

However on behalf of Castalia House, I believe that you (and or Markku) owe it to your customers, and to the readers of JCW, to indeed appeal.

There is no mechanism for it and the appropriate authority has made the decision in possession of all the relevant information.

Anonymous Alexander April 14, 2015 10:05 AM  

You know, in light of these two bits of bullshit, it's really kinda cute they think we're already at level 23.

Anonymous Earl April 14, 2015 10:07 AM  

Hey did you guys see that Florida gang rape on the crowded beach? It was like something right out of a GRR Martin fantasy.

Anonymous dh April 14, 2015 10:09 AM  

Vox, well that's disappointing.

Blogger darkdoc April 14, 2015 10:10 AM  

Flaccid Rabbits against Sad and Rabid Puppies just doesn't sound like a fight they can win.

Anonymous jack April 14, 2015 10:15 AM  

I would ask Vox to review the voting rules for this year. Particularly the ones pertaining to no award. Just want to be sure my vote is not 'disqualified' with some stupid technicality.
I believe that Kirk DuPonce has a good rep here. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 14, 2015 10:18 AM  

John and I knew about this several days ago and John responded to them by pointing out the precedent. They not only chose to ignore it, but did not even respond to his appeal.

There is no mechanism for it and the appropriate authority has made the decision in possession of all the relevant information.


I see, that extra information sheds more light on it.

Thanks for sharing and for replying promptly, as ever.

Anonymous Sevron April 14, 2015 10:18 AM  

Author page looks scrubbed now. No discussions, and I don't see any references to SP. Unless I have to go back on his embedded Twitter feed?

Anonymous jack April 14, 2015 10:27 AM  

Another thought. No one here has mentioned that Tor, JCW's primary publisher has protested anything on behalf of one its best authors. I wonder just how long before John's contractual obligations are over with Tor? Think JCW would have any trouble finding another publisher?

Correia and JCW himself asked that Tor not be punished. Don't know about that now.

Blogger ajw308 April 14, 2015 10:29 AM  

@Vox, I'm with Franz on Castilian house appealing the hypocrisy. Not only are The people who purchased, read, enjoyed, and nominated John at a loss here, but an appeal would serve to document and highlight their double standard. Stuff like this tends to come in useful later when the usual suspects cent it and claim no wrong doing.

Anonymous Donn April 14, 2015 10:30 AM  

It is a vile attack meant to take a Hugo away from Mr. Wright. It is as transparent as it gets. They ignored the principle of stare decisis. That will come back to haunt them. Time for a new award, for science fiction and fantasy. What will it be called? The Robert Heinlein? Leigh Brackett? Robert E. Howard?

Blogger buwaya puti April 14, 2015 10:31 AM  

The Figes thing was quite a scandal in that world (historians).
A pity, because I like Figes very much. He is a fine writer. I highly recommend his works on Russia.

Anonymous Randy M April 14, 2015 10:33 AM  

Sevron, yes, scroll through the feed to the link.

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 14, 2015 10:34 AM  

Unless I have to go back on his embedded Twitter feed?

Yes, you do. Like 2-3 swipes by now in the embedded Twitter; but it's still there. I've used the "Feedback" button to report to Amazon.

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 14, 2015 10:37 AM  

Original copy paste :

Glenn Hauman
@GlennHauman
What Do You Do To Rabid Puppies? (Answer Below.) http://t.co/RVrfbS0hA6
21 hours ago


The link to the blog describing how to skew Amazon's rankings is even clickable right there from the Amazon page itself.

Blogger Vox April 14, 2015 10:42 AM  

You can use the archived link above to see it as well.

Anonymous bw April 14, 2015 10:46 AM  

appeals to men who are insecure in their masculinity

Translation: Real men emasculate themselves and bend to my (unnatural) will.

Anonymous Donn April 14, 2015 10:47 AM  

Vox would it be within the rules to give tshirts away to those who show a purchase for the worldcon? If a legion of folks showed up with tshirts with a small tasteful (right, like that would happen) patch showing a sad and or rabid puppy (copious foam on the rabid puppies please) at all new worldcons it might convince the rabbits to play nice.

Kind of like how the Romans resisted the idea of making all slaves wear identifying clothing to avoid showing the slaves how numerous they really were. Show them how many wolves (these are not dog puppies after all but wolves) there really are compared to the rabbits. I believe it was Seneca who reported that but it is too early and not enough coffee.

Anonymous Steve April 14, 2015 10:47 AM  

Shimshon - the Tom Kratman Plan scales from atomic to galactic. It unifies Quantum Mechanics and Relativity.

Imperator Kratman leans back in the command chair of his flagship, the USS Scourge of God.

His gimlet eyes, blue and fierce as Rigel, scan a tactical display projected above the holotable in his technologically advanced, yet deceptively spartan, CIC.

Tendrils of smoke from a Panamanian cigar clenched between his teeth drift out and encircle the holographic icons of his foes.

Momentarily an Arctic smile surfaces on Kratman's weatherbeaten face and he pounds the table in exultation.

"Just as I predicted, they walked straight into our trap" he growls in a sussurant tone. "They still live for the nonce, but that... is about to change."

Without hesitation he stabs an ominously glowing red button on his command console.

The ship's AI impassively sounds the alert from every speaker on the gargantuan warship. "Now hear this. Rabid Puppies to launch tubes. Repeat - Rabid Puppies to launch tubes. This is not a drill."

Katman watches the tactical display with grim satisfaction as his elite fighters lance towards the enemy fleet at the speed of terror.

"Happy hunting, boys."

Blogger Quadko April 14, 2015 10:52 AM  

I thought the "previously published" exclusion meant it was eligible in the past, so isn't re-eligible now, to make sure only first publication are given awards.

If that's accurate, they just ruled that publishing on your webpage makes you eligible for a Hugo.

Anonymous Salt April 14, 2015 10:53 AM  

it might convince the rabbits to play nice

The wabbits would squee about safe-space. The sound would be painful and entertaining.

Blogger bob k. mando April 14, 2015 10:59 AM  

dh April 14, 2015 9:33 AM
I wouldn't just straight to bad intentions on this one. These are volunteers, they may not know the precedent or rationale.


the problem with this being TNH's argument that WorldCon is run by the truFen who, due to their institutional knowledge of the history and folkways of skiffy fandom, are the only ones qualified to vote for the Hugos.

EITHER
truFen possess special knowledge not available to the Muggles
OR
WorldCon volunteers are ignorant boobs, unaware of the precedents which have been set by previous winners.

you don't get both.


Vox April 14, 2015 10:02 AM
There is no mechanism for it and the appropriate authority has made the decision in possession of all the relevant information.



well, never mind.

they're just lying SJW sacks of shit.

with a thin veneer of professionalism ... which they are careful never to extend to operations. they keep the 'professionalism' strictly for interpersonal relations.

Anonymous Alexander April 14, 2015 10:59 AM  

If that's accurate, they just ruled that publishing on your webpage makes you eligible for a Hugo.

In which case I nominate Steve for 2015 Hugo short story.

Anonymous Donn April 14, 2015 11:00 AM  

Salt just to be clear I intended the tshirts as a warning to the rabbits. When you scare a rabbit they do one of two things; hide in place hoping you don't see them or stamp and run hoping you will see the other rabbits running for cover and chase them instead. So you would see a bunch trying to fade into the woodwork and a bunch stamping and running 'squeeing' as you say. Usually the only time a rabbit squeals is when it thinks it's dying.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 14, 2015 11:01 AM  

Donn: "Robert E. Howard?"

I hope so.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 14, 2015 11:05 AM  

When I first read this post, I was shocked that Vox wasn't going after them for this nonsense. But then I released that they are hanging themselves in the long run and it is better to sit back and watch them sway in the wind as they gasp for breath.

Blogger Shimshon April 14, 2015 11:06 AM  

Steve, you are a true artist.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 14, 2015 11:08 AM  

"TRIGGER WARNING!!!!
Gravatar Picture Here "

There was a trigger warning and everything......and like a fool, I clicked......she has what is called a "batting for the other team" haircut.

Blogger Vox April 14, 2015 11:15 AM  

Vox would it be within the rules to give tshirts away to those who show a purchase for the worldcon?

Not to the best of my knowledge.

I released that they are hanging themselves in the long run and it is better to sit back and watch them sway in the wind as they gasp for breath.

Napoleon's dictum.

Anonymous Donn April 14, 2015 11:15 AM  

Titus - Hell yes Robert E. Howard what's better is that the rabbits hate him.

Can you imagine if Conan was king of Westeros rather than Robert? He'd swive the hell out of Cersei whenever he liked and send his brother in law off on an absurd mission or just bash his head in with a beef bone.

The Lannisters and a little spider would then drug and kingnapp him but we know how that would end. Conan would come to his senses on a slave boat heading to Bravos. He'd lead a revolt with snapping oars and whirling chains take the ship and sail to the Wall. From there he'd wind up leading the wildlings, slap the silly off the black brothers and drive straight back to the capital picking up loyal Northmen on the way.

He'd lead the assault on the rotting castles at the neck, push on to Kings Landing then bugger the Lannister forces from behind while breaking the gates to the city down. He'd bring fire and sword to the sniviling Cersei and her perverted cousin she elevated to the throne then take Tywin's head with his own sword.

That's how Conan would have ended the story in three volumes.

Anonymous Donn April 14, 2015 11:18 AM  

Vox would it be within the rules to give tshirts away to those who show a purchase for the worldcon?

Not to the best of my knowledge.


Probably better if everyone showed up wearing their own 'wolf' tshirt. There are plenty out there to choose from. That is if there are enough 'wolves' going.

Anonymous Leonidas April 14, 2015 11:19 AM  

Be on the lookout for more of this. My wife was wondering this morning why they are singling out Mr. Wright, and in particular why they're singling out one of his best stories (indeed, perhaps the very best single thing I read last year - and that was a year in which I read "Throne of Bones" and all of Mr. Wright's own "Golden Age" trilogy).

They're not. This is the standard SJW tactic of throwing every accusation they can think of - true or not - at their target(s) to see what sticks. They found one that stuck, and in light of Vox's further revelations about them being aware of the precedent, it's highly disappointing. But I can guarantee you that there will not only be more, there assuredly already has been more behind the scenes. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Vox revealed that they've had to fight other challenges already and I can virtually guarantee that challenges have been made that didn't even make it as far as Vox finding out about it.

And, importantly, there will be more.

But there are no "secret cabals" working to exclude anyone from the Hugos. Oh, no, they're ever so open minded and tolerant.

Anonymous Alexander April 14, 2015 11:21 AM  

Meanwhile, Joe Sherry advises us on how to run a sad puppy campaign, only without doing anything to actually make it accomplish any of its goals.

Anonymous Red Comet April 14, 2015 11:25 AM  

I've been into the comic scene for over two decades and I've never even heard of these Comicmix chest puffers.

Upon closer inspection, they have a few columnists that were popular writers back in the 80s and 90s, but other than that they appear to be nobodies.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 14, 2015 11:31 AM  

Probably better if everyone showed up wearing their own 'wolf' tshirt. There are plenty out there to choose from. That is if there are enough 'wolves' going.

Google image search wolf t-shirt. Yeah, those aren't gay at all.

I can't imagine even the worst of rabbits would find most of them intimidating.

Blogger Russell April 14, 2015 11:51 AM  

"Probably better if everyone showed up wearing their own 'wolf' tshirt."

Finally a chance to wear your three wolf moon shirt!

Blogger Pinakeli April 14, 2015 11:52 AM  

I have noticed that both Glenn Hauman and Martha L. Thomases are VPs at ComicMix. Both are attacking in a very unethical manner. Is this the way that company is run? Should we question the other officers of that company, or just cross them off our list for future consideration?

Blogger Franz Lionheart April 14, 2015 12:08 PM  

In which case I nominate Steve for 2015 Hugo short story.

Steve - since a few weeks now I find your comments to be some of the most enlightening here, and often to add most to the discussion.

Where's your own blog? I landed twice on google.com, and I don't think that's very funny...!

Blogger Panzerdude April 14, 2015 12:20 PM  

When reporting this fake comment to Amazon, refer to Amazon's own "Anti-Manipulation Policy for Customer Reviews". Seems this review is a good example of violating that policy.

Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=help_search_1-1?ie=UTF8&nodeId=201749630&qid=1429028298&sr=1-1

Anonymous Donn April 14, 2015 12:20 PM  

Joshua I understand not all men are strong enough to pull off a wolf t shirt. Just as all men can't handle shifting a corvette stingray but we real men do not look down on the others.

;)

Blogger grendel April 14, 2015 12:22 PM  

I think the appropriate identifier if we want to identify ourselves at a con would be a pin on the name badge that says simply #dreadilk. It would be better than a shirt or hat because not everyone wants to dress casually.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus April 14, 2015 12:30 PM  

"Probably better if everyone showed up wearing their own 'wolf' tshirt. There are plenty out there to choose from. That is if there are enough 'wolves' going"

It might run afoul of some lame "safe space conduct code" like what was being floated by WisCon.

I just wanted a #TRIGGERWARNING t-shirt.

Anonymous DeepThought April 14, 2015 12:35 PM  

What is with these SJW's trying to destroy not only the Hugo's but Amazon rankings. Is this the "I'll take my ball and run away" principle expanded into adult hood? These people have the emotional quotient of my 12 year old daughter.

I encourage everyone to contact Amazon about this mid-wit author, but if Amazon does nothing we should post false reviews of ALL of their works. We can make Amazon ratings worthless. I just cannot see Amazon allowing this author to continue selling on Amazon.

Blogger John Wright April 14, 2015 12:37 PM  

@ Jack

Here is the story that won a slot on the ballot once 'Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus' was disqualified:

http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-day-the-world-turned-upside-down/

Read and enjoy.

Blogger Alexander April 14, 2015 12:37 PM  

No. Keeping powder dry. Fake reviews are not only wrong, they are so petty and short-term thinking that one would be insane to Gove up the high ground. Attack it through Amazon's proper channels, then fix bayonets but wait for the charge.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 14, 2015 1:01 PM  

A war is going on isn't it. To make a false review is about lying. A man should always have his Virtue. And people who advocate making false reviews lack Virtue.

Wow! what an intricate web of intrigue and hate.

Blogger Alexander April 14, 2015 1:04 PM  

Hmm... well uh.... on the plus side, the idea that john c wright blocked another deserving candidate is shown to be false. Though the girlfriend "needing time"from the gamma even with the world ending was fair enough.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 14, 2015 1:10 PM  

Is there such thing as an official minority/dissenting opinion attached with the disqualification report?

Blogger The Deuce April 14, 2015 1:15 PM  

One thought that just occurred to me: This little stunt by Worldcon makes it MUCH more likely that TNH knew about the Puppies sweep before the announcement because she was tipped off by Worldcon administrators.

Blogger Marissa April 14, 2015 1:21 PM  

Here is the story that won a slot on the ballot once 'Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus' was disqualified:

http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-day-the-world-turned-upside-down/

Read and enjoy.


What in the sam hell is a "dubious given"? A given is a known quantity, something expected. Dubious means doubtful. I'm not sure whether to blame the author or the translator though.

OpenID pancakeloach April 14, 2015 1:36 PM  

So, they violate WorldCon precedent in order to kick off an author they don't like and put ANOTHER soap opera in sciffy drag onto the Hugo ballot?

Ugh.

OpenID improbableauthor.com April 14, 2015 1:38 PM  

Whether Amazon.com redacts Ms. Thomases unfair ideological review or not, its been downvoted sufficiently to make it no longer valid in the Amazon recommendation algorithm. I'd stress that an additional tactic to remove its taint is to UPVOTE all the favorable reviews. There's 137 people saying her review was not helpful, but consistently only one or two people saying the GOOD reviews were helpful. My understanding is that the recommendation algorithm favorably rewards UPVOTES on 4 and 5 star reviews, which equates to more eyes on and more sales made.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 14, 2015 2:27 PM  

1. From the Hauman post:

"Here’s a list of all of Mr. Beale’s nominees, complete with handy links to Amazon."

Subtext: Don't worry if you don't know where to go to post a review, since you haven't read it -- I provided the link for you.

"It might be a good idea to take a look at the reviews and see which ones are helpful."

Subtext: Downvote all good reviews, upvote all bad reviews.

"If you’ve read the works, you should add your own review."

Subtext: This is what is known in politics as 'plausible deniability'; since I added this blurb, I can claim the other stuff doesn't mean what is otherwise readily apparent to everyone (and will be demonstrated in #2).

2. Hauman works at ComicMix. He posted his article on April 13. Martha Thomases works at ComicMix. She posted her review on April 13, despite apparently not reading the work in question.

Q: Does Mr. Hauman think that his colleague did not 'get' his subtextual meaning?

Q: Can you spell 'conspiracy'? I know you can.

Q: Is conspiracy to interfere with commerce a crime?

Anonymous MendoScot April 14, 2015 2:33 PM  

Read and enjoy.

Did. Didn´t.

Now it may be the translation, but I can´t believe this:

His short fiction has appeared in English, Dutch, Polish and Chinese and has been awarded the Paul Harland Prize (for best Dutch fantasy) on three occasions, received an honorable mention in the Science Fiction & Fantasy Translation Awards and was nominated for the Hugo Award for Best Novelette in 2013 The Boy Who Cast No Shadow. In English, his short fiction has appeared from Tor.com, Oxygen Books, and PS Publishing. Recently, Jonathan Strahan selected his story “The Ink Readers of Doi Saket” for The Best Science Fiction and Fantasy of the Year. Olde Heuvelt’s novel HEX, which became a bestseller in The Netherlands, will be out in the US and Canada with Macmillan/Tor in 2015, while Hodder & Stoughton will publish in the UK and Australia.

And they insist that there is no Tor-based whispering campaign to get their truwriters on the slate.

Colour me sceptical.

Anonymous MendoScot April 14, 2015 2:38 PM  

One other thing, this short story wasfirst published in Dutch in 2013. That doesn´t disqualify it?

Don't bother answering...

Blogger doofus April 14, 2015 2:47 PM  

I would say, never post a fake review, unless you can do so with same elan and hilarious results as this one:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3RP8IR1GBP75M/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B003G4IM4S&nodeID=165793011&store=toys-and-games

Blogger SirHamster April 14, 2015 3:24 PM  

Read and enjoy.

Skimmed. Did not.

The direction of gravity flipping would not play out like that. I don't think the goldfish would have survived being plopped into 7-up, either.

But, I am mildly entertained by the absurdity of his work replacing yours ... so there's that.

Anonymous GreyS April 14, 2015 3:26 PM  

Typical rabbit: Dishonest and dumb. Then the "Who me?" game when caught.

Blogger CM April 14, 2015 3:52 PM  

I would say, never post a fake review, unless you can do so with same elan and hilarious results as this one:

That's a verified purchase, lol.

There are some great reviews on amazon. Find the right product and you could read for hours.

Anonymous Alexander April 14, 2015 3:57 PM  

As an aside, any protagonist who, when given the option between saving a stranger and saving his ex-girlfriend's goldfish, and chooses the latter, was dumped for very good reason.

Cripes, what a read that was. Gentleman, I'm going to say it: worse than If you Were a Dinosaur.

I know that on the surface, that seems farfetched. But at least the protaganist in that piece had an emotional response that, in some way, was redeemable. I want to hurt the people who hurt the people I love. Poorly done, ineffectual... but there's something redeeming in that, some recognition of the demands of loyalty and kinship, however absurdly they were displayed.

Here, we have a gamma obsessing over his ex's goldfish and totally self-absorbed in his own dramatics while 99.999% of the world had literally been wiped off the face of the earth.

OpenID cailcorishev April 14, 2015 4:34 PM  

What is with these SJW's trying to destroy not only the Hugo's but Amazon rankings?

Remember, they're leftists: they want to destroy everything. Sure, they want to destroy their enemies' toys before their own; but in the long run, to paraphrase the people of Krikkit, "It'll all have to go."

Blogger John Wright April 14, 2015 4:52 PM  

Now that you have read 'The Day the World Turned Upside Down'

You may follow this link to the story that was disqualified. I am curious as to your honest judgment, and welcome criticism. As did Mr Huevelt, I wrote about love and loss, and a world being turned upside down. Like his, mine was fantasy rather than science fiction, with no explanation given for the strange events. Like his, mine is also sentimental.

http://www.scifiwright.com/xabout/yes-virginia-there-is-a-santa-claus/

Which do you think is better?

Frankly, I am more curious about the judgment of my publisher's Dread and Dreaded Ilk than of the judgment of girlish men whose only claim to fame is their oft repeated and notorious boast that they cannot form judgments fairly and correctly.

I disagree with nearly every opinion I read here, including my own, but I always know that the opinions are honestly meant, not merely mealy-mouthed repeating of word-noises learned by rote from a lemming horde.

Far better to quarrel with an heroic foe fully armed, able to give or take a hard blow, than to agree with an amiable jackanape, who chatters on his leash and agrees with all you say.

Anonymous kh123 April 14, 2015 4:57 PM  

Well, no surprise, Glenn Hauman practices the same on his Amazon page as he does on his Comimix page - which is to say, censorship of anything that breaks his narrative of "I never said fake reviews and ratings."

There were at least 3 responses there that were civil and asking why he was promoting gaming Castalia House book ratings on Amazon.

Blogger CarpeOro April 14, 2015 5:06 PM  

Funny, if you were to instruct/suggest/hint at purposely writing false reviews to the Dread Ilk, you'd lose half of them. Sure, some might go along but most of the regular commentators would simply move on to another blog or something else. I know I would. There is a reason why "guilt by association" is a way people identify the "other" as not to be trusted in a short term review. Glenn had failed to evoke any interest in his site or cause with his tactics as far as I am concerned. I could site literary references for Glen on "evil in a good cause", but I doubt he has read them.

Blogger CarpeOro April 14, 2015 5:08 PM  

To clarify, I'll remain a member of the Dread Ilk. Not the rabbit warren.

Anonymous Steve April 14, 2015 5:10 PM  

Alexander - I was led to understand there would be an oversized novelty cheque with my nomination?

Shimshon - you are a true gentleman.

Franz Lionheart - Thank you! I don't have a blog, blogging is great for guys like Vox, or John C. Wright. Men who have interesting stuff to say and cool new writing to share. For myself, I'm more likely to take Gaffer Gamgee's advice:

"Elves and Dragons! Cabbages and potatoes are better for me and you."

Anonymous Anonymous April 14, 2015 5:14 PM  

We need to get organized, share links to the political attack reviews so that multiple people can flag them as unhelpful and report abuse and spread the word about this.

Blogger James Dixon April 14, 2015 5:37 PM  

> But his intent is perfectly clear: "what do you do to rabid puppies? You put them down." ... Or do you interpret that as a death threat?

Well, you know the SJW's would take it that way if the shoe were on the other foot.

> I just wanted a #TRIGGERWARNING t-shirt.

Preferably with the trigger of a firearm in plain view underneath. :)

Blogger Xellos April 14, 2015 5:38 PM  

Surprise surprise, Hugos are ran by pieces of shit. I'm not afraid to call that someone who applies different rules to different people in the same (as far as relevant) situation.

Blogger James Dixon April 14, 2015 5:40 PM  

Oh, and since Meredith is an author on Amazon, she has some interest in false reviews, and has lodged a complaint with Amazon. They said they'll look in to it.

Blogger Russell April 14, 2015 5:49 PM  

'The Day the World Turned Upside Down' : I read the first paragraph, as soon as the narrator was whining about waiting for a phone call unaware the world ended stupidly, I lost interest in her story. I skimmed, mostly to see if anything started getting better. It didn't. I have no idea how it ended not do I care too. I was surprised to find out the narrator was a guy.

'Yes, Virginia, There Is A Santa Claus': A fine gem from a master storyteller. Pacing was right, characters convincing, settings expertly drawn, emotions arising from the situations instead of the author telling the read how one should feel. Mortal concerns and fears and anger. Old fairy magic swirls around the story. The Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future give nods from the sidelines. And at the end, Hope. Eternal, Christian Hope.

No wonder Wright's story was removed by hook or crook. It's a pearl, tossed in front of swine.

Blogger Russell April 14, 2015 5:55 PM  

Also, I'm giving my kids extra hugs tonight when I see them. How many stories make you want to do that?

Thank you, Mr. Wright.

Anonymous Donn April 14, 2015 5:58 PM  

Good gravy that is one of the saddest things I've read. Poorly written and nearly impossible to read. Couldn't stand the 'Upside Down' story because it was edited by a hamster with a razor blade and whiteout.

Anonymous Lana April 14, 2015 6:43 PM  

Seen on Twitter today:

The Deuce ‏@ibbibby
Here's the *cough* sterling piece of writing replacing John C Wright's work

Rolling Stone Ethics retweeted The Deuce
"If You Were Weightless, My Love" #hugoawards #SadPuppies

Blogger Sasa April 14, 2015 6:55 PM  

John Wright,

way you write is mesmerising and strenous. Big ideas, slowly developed, and that is very good, but with big, heavy words. It is not your fault that english is not my native language, so maybe good translation would be the thing, if you're not that suspicious kind who thinks like "traduttore traditore". But anyways, I like your stories and style, even if I get sometimes irritated by both of them. I am definitely going to buy more your books.

But I am not qualified per se to compare your story and this, because when I bought your collection, I thought it would be great to read it along the liturgical year, so I have not read that cancelled story yet. But compared to other stories you've written, style is bland. Storytelling is worse. First sentence left me asking, ok, so what? Writer lost me at the moment when the world is ending, main character contemplates some inane discussion with ex. So I just scrolled to end, because look I have things to do, like playing computer games about zombies to kill or ostfront to overrun, and it did not get better there, at the end. I had no feelings towards main character, except that he'd die already, plz.

What can I say? At the bottom was picture of the writer. Maybe he should try modeling, he'd definitely win you there.

Anonymous kh123 April 14, 2015 7:04 PM  

It seems to be... evolving. It's figured out a new use for the stick.

John Wright appears to be Andrew's monolith.

Blogger SirHamster April 14, 2015 7:26 PM  

Which do you think is better?

You do not even need an answer to this question.

I skimmed the first story, because the first few paragraphs of unreality made the rest of it inedible.

For yours, I wolfed it down faster than it deserved, but it was moving and food for the soul.

Anonymous Rolf April 14, 2015 8:17 PM  

And all this time I thought disemvoweling was writing in Czech.
Bosnian vowels
Learn something new every day.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 14, 2015 8:32 PM  

"Far better to quarrel with an heroic foe fully armed, able to give or take a hard blow, than to agree with an amiable jackanape, who chatters on his leash and agrees with all you say."

Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.
Proverbs 27:6

It does mean that it does not hurt or that it is easy to take.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 14, 2015 8:33 PM  

It does NOT mean that it does not hurt or that it is easy to take.

What is it with me and dropping of nots! Sheesh

Blogger wrf3 April 14, 2015 9:40 PM  

JCW wrote: Frankly, I am [...] curious about the judgment of my publisher's Dread and Dreaded Ilk ...

I read "Yes, Virginia" this morning and I have been struggling what to make of it all day. Only because I finally came to a conclusion do I write this -- because it is critical, not laudatory. Intellectually, it was a disappointment. Yes, I know "there is nothing new under the sun," yet "Virginia" was an obvious combination of Lewis' Narnia, Dickens' Ghosts, and the Book of Job. It was familiar and, because it was familiar, there was no wonder. It didn't engage the mind except to say that I think it botched the answer to theodicy. Emotionally, it pushed all the right buttons. As Christians, we rejoice when the prodigal comes home, regardless of the route they take. But that made it a story of wish fulfillment, which caused flashbacks to the also recently read "Dinosaur" which was also a tale of wish-fulfillment. While the style of "Virginia" was far more masterful than that of "Dinosaur", still I think you took the easy way out. "Virginia" would have had much more intellectual and emotional impact if the little girl had remained in the morgue and the mother had to tell her husband that their daughter died.

Now that would have deserved the Hugo.

Blogger Alexander April 14, 2015 9:48 PM  

Final ballot is still a fill in the blank, not multiple choice, correct?

So bugger this. Ballot of the four legible works, fifth place spot to Virginia, and to hell with if you were upside down, my love.

Blogger Blume April 14, 2015 10:30 PM  

It's just beautiful and touching. Like some one else here mentioned. You don't have a soul if that story didn't move you. I have three so I cried.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 14, 2015 11:15 PM  

"fire at will" after posting a link to Glenn's amazon works it was not to imply doing fake reviews. I should have spelt it out, but the ilk are generally sane, luckily."

Now if you has said fire at Glenn or Set fire to Glen or gift him some booze with polonium in it there might have been some confusion.

"Hey did you guys see that Florida gang rape on the crowded beach?" Of course not just like main stream media we don't see color (when it commits crime).

"Mark Citadel - I notice GRRM has gone very quiet. He is really scared of that debate.Maybe he's busy not writing his book."
I almost felt bad letting the War of the Roses cat out of the bag at the PC mag article. Oh wait that's schadenfreude

"men who are insecure in their masculinity" ~~ Real men want career cat ladies, when women ask where all the good men are I say they are busy marrying traditional women that will stay at home and have kids.

"Why would he invite people to game Amazon, when his whole company he's VP of is fairly well dependent on Amazon for sales" Maybe his business model is going to a library and clicking on the links of his webpage from every computer(actually saw it at college).

"buy every single work, read them, and write long and detailed and honest reviews because of a slight. I know lots of others are. I can already tell from the art and the site I wouldn't enjoy the work all that much."

This sounds like a job for a liberal superhero "by the power of men who are insecure in their masculinity" I AM Thin Skinned Whiney Gay Man, he who makes corporations tremble with fear about his reviews.

darn groids are now protesting in San Fran that BlackLiesMatter. Don't they know that queens trump spades? They are 5% of SF population but make up over 60% of the crime. They are 8% of SF public schools but are 71% of PS students arrested.

Blogger Danby April 14, 2015 11:24 PM  

@JCW
I would have bought it, but I already bought it once, when it first came out, and I have to save my pennies for a Sasquan membership.

For the record, I thought it was the 3rd best story in the book, behind Parliament of the Beasts and Birds and especially Pale Realms of Shade, which, as I said on you blog, it the single best non-Tolkein story I've read in 20 years.
Seriously people, you MUST read that story! I am a better man, stronger, wiser, and a better husband for having done so.

Anonymous Laz April 14, 2015 11:55 PM  

"Which do you think is better? "

Well, I had planned to do something this evening but read Yes, Virginia, There Is A Santa Claus instead. I knew I shouldn't have clicked the link. lol. Captivating as usual Mr. Wright. I couldn't spend more than 10 minutes reading that dreck they uplifted.

Anonymous Uh Huh April 15, 2015 12:06 AM  

With that being the case, then I have to call on ole Scali-Wag and ask him to be man enough and at least be worth his weight of salt in his old sweaty ball sack, Yes Kansas it's actually a real sack,HIs beloved brown bag special.
...And bravely give up his Hugo for OMW since it should have been disqualified and he doesn't want to prove he's a hypocrite and appear to keep taking the spoils of privilege.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 15, 2015 12:51 AM  

The writer of the replacement is a guy. And yes the narrator was a guy too. That was...confusing. At the point he saved the fish rather than the gal I wanted him to die in the end. Instead he had to passively murder a little girl first (but he saved her from a sex predator because worse than death!). I just...don't get it.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 15, 2015 1:31 AM  

Also, I think it is worth noting that someone on File770.com pointed out the administer involved in this call was the same guy in both instances (i.e. the judgement of OMW and Yes Virginia). As I wrote there I don't think this was malicious afore-thought, but it does speak to a snap decision by the clique and less than neutral judging.

Blogger Cee April 15, 2015 4:51 AM  

For some reason I can't get the link to Yes Virginia on Mr. Wright's blog to work.

I assume this is a conspiracy to get me to buy The Book of Feasts and Seasons and I am totally okay with this, since I want to share "The Parliament of the Beasts and Birds" with my family anyhow.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2015 9:45 AM  

@ Russell

"Also, I'm giving my kids extra hugs tonight when I see them. How many stories make you want to do that? Thank you, Mr. Wright."

I felt the same way when the story came to me and asked me politely to write it. I was reluctant at first -- I am a space opera writer, after all, more comfortable with exploding planets than with children -- but I screwed my courage to the sticking place, and took up my pen.

I can be thanked for taking the time and boldness to write it, but the genius of the story does not come from me. I suspect the real Saint Nicholas was tired of being overshadowed by that guy from the Coca Cola ad.

You are most welcome. I live to serve.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2015 9:55 AM  

@wtf3
""Virginia" was an obvious combination of Lewis' Narnia, Dickens' Ghosts, and the Book of Job."

Yes, obviously. Thank you that you are perceptive enough to see that.

"It was familiar and, because it was familiar, there was no wonder."

You must certainly share with me your readings lists, if this type of work is familiar to you. The only thing to which I could liken it was the movie IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE.

I have never met anyone, anyone, who recognized the original Saint Nicholas story from tradition, for example.

"It didn't engage the mind except to say that I think it botched the answer to theodicy."

Theodicy is a difficult topic. That was the main reason why I was afraid to write this story.

"Emotionally, it pushed all the right buttons. As Christians, we rejoice when the prodigal comes home, regardless of the route they take."

And you are saying this is .... bad?

"But that made it a story of wish fulfillment, which caused flashbacks to the also recently read "Dinosaur" which was also a tale of wish-fulfillment. While the style of "Virginia" was far more masterful than that of "Dinosaur", still I think you took the easy way out.
"Virginia" would have had much more intellectual and emotional impact if the little girl had remained in the morgue and the mother had to tell her husband that their daughter died."

No, with all due respect, it would have been utterly forgettable in that case, merely one more dreary sad tale about how life is a bitch and then you die.

I have read a million of those. I wanted a realistic story.

In real life, in the life after this life, we get a happy ending, happy beyond description, beyond hope, beyond expectation, beyond deserving. If my tale captured even a particle of that, I have done what I set out to do.

If the tale does not appeal to those sad souls to whom cynicism and disappointment, stoic resignation and pagan melancholy seem realistic, there is nothing I can do.

But as I say, I would rather have a Vox Ilk disagree with me than have a chattering monkey applaud me. Thank you for doing me the difficult honor of being straight with me. I bow to you.

Blogger wrf3 April 15, 2015 5:08 PM  

JCW wrote: You must certainly share with me your readings lists, if this type of work is familiar to you. The only thing to which I could liken it was the movie IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE.

As I said, I didn't compare Virginia to a specific work but, based on tales like Narnia, A Christmas Carol, and Job I pretty much knew what was coming next. Oh, sure, using the latest advance in astronomy to describe the grandeur of the heavens was a nice touch, but it's still "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, or loose the cords of Orion?"

I have never met anyone, anyone, who recognized the original Saint Nicholas story from tradition, for example.

Do you want me to really gripe your wagger? I'm a Protestant to boot. ;-)

And you are saying this is .... bad?

Not normally, no. For the story you wanted to tell, it was perfectly wonderful. For the story I think it should have been, yes. And I say this with great reluctance. My response to critics is usually, "Where were you when the page was blank?"

No, with all due respect, it would have been utterly forgettable in that case, merely one more dreary sad tale about how life is a bitch and then you die.

Well, it could be said that I've been overly influenced by the end to Dexter Season 6 which ends with the line "But wishes, of course, are for children." On the other hand, it could have gone a third direction. "Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what is seen?" After having told her husband that her child died, her husband could have pleaded with her to believe the goodness of God in spite of what she just went through. After all, the struggle is not to believe in Christ when we've experience a miracle; the struggle is to believe when we don't see. When every atom of our being is afraid of what God may do to us. And then the miracle is that she believed. And, since you wanted something realistic, that fits the bill.

If my tale captured even a particle of that, I have done what I set out to do.
Oh, no argument. You hit your target dead center.

Thank you for doing me the difficult honor of being straight with me.
Always.

I bow to you.
Please don't. We have the same Master.

Blogger Ken April 17, 2015 8:39 PM  

I read "The Day Fiction Turned Upside Down," and it was a dismal book filled with whinging, a bland main character who only distinguishes himself by letting people die so that he can rescue his girlfriend's fish. I'm sure there's a metaphor, but I don't care enough to unpack it.

I will give the author credit for this: based on how passive-aggressive the main character is, I am not the least bit surprised that *SPOILER* his girlfriend cheated on him with someone else and then wouldn't accept him back when he found her.


Mr. Wright, "Yes, Virginia" is....honestly, I don't know how to classify it. No, I lied; it was the best story to end "Feasts and Seasons." Even though I think I preferred "Pale Realms of Shadow" as a story, it wouldn't have been right to end the collection. "Yes, Virginia," - like "One Bright Star" and the end of "Nightlands" - is full of hope and that longing for the Other Country that Lewis talked about so frequently.

I do agree with wtf3 that the ending felt a bit expected but it was an ending I hoped for. As you just said, life IS a joyful reunion that is happy beyond description and - for me - you captured a shadow of that feeling that I'm sure we shall experience when resurrected at the end.

Blogger maniacprovost April 17, 2015 11:47 PM  

I am a space opera writer, after all, more comfortable with exploding planets than with children

I did quite enjoy your series about exploding children. I'm going to loan it to a coworker.

Blogger Sasa April 18, 2015 4:48 PM  

Should here be any warriors lurking: regarding my comment of not reading this "The Day Fiction Turned Upside Down" at the end, well friends, I have not paid 40 bucks, I will not vote, I do not care.

Why anybody is interested of Hugos, I do no understand. And less I care. Of course, this fracas has been very entertaining. So please continue.

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