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Wednesday, April 22, 2015

Kicking Puppies makes Vivian sad

I wonder how many SJWs have the wits to grasp what that picture indicates? In any event, there are two more SJW responses worth noting this week, including another heartfelt soliloquy from David Gerrold as well as an absolutely revelatory response by John Scalzi.

David Gerrold first writes an open letter to Brad Torgersen:
You have hurt the Sasquan committee. These are people who have spent years planning, campaigning, bidding, working, preparing, and anticipating the best convention they can imagine. You don't know what goes on behind the scenes of a convention, how many moving parts there are, how many people have to rise to the occasion. There's programming, guest relations, membership registration, con suite, green room, sound and video, tech of all kinds, finances, insurance, security, special needs, cat-herding, and more. Everyone who takes on one of those jobs does so out of a love of the field -- and everyone who was looking forward to a party is now hurting because there's a turd in the punch bowl -- and you are perceived as the guy who dropped it there. You and Larry Correia.

And you have hurt all the fans who will be attending, all the fans who wil be following events online. Instead of the convention being about a celebration of our common interests in SF, it is now about you and Larry Correia and a few others associated with you. You have pulled the convention off purpose and you have hurt the fans who wanted to have a good old-fashioned happy Worldcon. There have been many of those.

You have hurt your colleagues in the field. There are people who have declined to be award presenters. Others have asked to have their works removed from the ballot. You have hurt the integrity of the awards.
And then promptly deletes Brad's response to his open letter:
And once again, Brad Togersen misses the point. I've deleted his msgs. I'm done with you, Brad. At long last, have you no decency? Have you no shame?
Do they still wonder why we laugh at their disingenuous calls for "honest dialogue" and "debate"? I thought Brad's response was considerably longer than it needed to be. "We don't care" would have sufficed. Although I suppose it is amusing to see that Gerrold still doesn't realize that what he thought was a punch bowl has been a toilet for a decade.

Speaking of deletions, Johnny Con first made fun of sexually abused children in the process of attacking Larry Correia, then belatedly deleted his post.
[On second thought, this was not well-argued and I’m withdrawing it until I can more fairly and accurately make the point I want to make. Will update when I do. In the meantime, note to self: Don’t write screeds when operating under lack of sleep — JS]
But not before I happened to notice this interesting big of psychological projection: "Day is a perfectly lucid person. He’s a fine con man, in other words, and Correia and Torgersen fell for his con."

The choice of words is revealing. It was nearly a year ago when I wrote about SF's biggest con artist: "Sure you're smiling, Johnny. That's why you stopped reporting your annual numbers in 2013. That's why you shut down your Quantcast reports. That's why you don't post a traffic meter anywhere on your site. That's why you threatened to quit SFWA.... I can't speak for anyone else, but I find your constant snake oil salesmanship genuinely amusing. You're the Bernie Madoff of science fiction and you've got the Participation Hugo to prove it."

To say nothing of two more Hugo nominations than Arthur C. Clarke, and seven more than Iain Banks and Terry Pratchett combined. As it happens, thanks to the Dread Ilk and the Puppies, I am rapidly approaching the 2 million monthly pageviews that Johnny Con falsely told Lightspeed Magazine he had back in 2010, when he actually had 305,000. The difference is that if I say I have two million monthly pageviews, you can be 100 percent certain that I do. I do not lie on the Internet. It is very, very stupid to lie on the Internet. Johnny also let Larry Correia have it for Larry's refusal to let little Johnny be friends with him despite Johnny's repeated overtures.
Also, can we please now stop pretending that this whole Puppy nonsense began for any other reason than that once upon a time, Larry Correia thought he was going to win an award and was super pissed he didn’t, and decided that the reason he didn’t had to be a terrible, awful conspiracy against people just like him (a conservative! Writing “fun” fiction!), as opposed to, oh, the voters deciding they just plain liked something and someone else better? Can we stop pretending that a fellow who practically begs people to nominate his work three years running, hiding the begging behind an oh-so-thin veil of “let’s stick it to the SJWs!” doesn’t desperately crave the external validation that he thinks the award will bring? Can we stop pretending that this is anything other than a grown up child stomping his feet, screaming look at me, look at me, loooook at meeeeee? Because, come on, folks. We’re well past the point of genteel here. Let’s call it for what it is.

(And yes, I know, Correia declined his nomination for the Hugo this year. Let’s talk about that for a minute, shall we. It takes a very special sort of fellow to allow himself to be on a slate to get nominated, marshal people to nominate him for the award as part of a slate, and then decline — and write a big ol’ puffed-up piece about why he was declining, social justice warriors, blows against the empire, blah blah blah, yadda yadda. Yes, nice he declined the nomination and let someone else on the ballot. But it’s a little like wanting credit for rescuing a baby squirrel when you knocked the baby squirrel out of the tree to begin with.)

To be clear, the Puppy nonsense now isn’t just about Correia really really really wanting validation in the form of a rocketship; Day’s stealing the Puppy movement right out from under Correia and Torgerson has changed things up quite a bit, and it’s certainly true at this point that this little campaign is about a bunch of people trying to shit in the punchbowl so no one else can have any punch. But at the beginning, it was Correia hurt and angry that someone else got an award he thought was his, and deciding that it was stolen from him, rather than being something that was never his to begin with. And I’m sorry for him that it didn’t go his way. But actual grown human beings deal with disappointment in ways other than Correia has.

Correia can bluster about this all he likes; he’s a lovely online bully, and certainly he wishes to project that he’s a Tough Guy Saying Tough Things, Toughly™. But, eh. If he was actually who he wishes he could project himself as, the Sad Puppy thing would have never happened. And, ironically, he would be better positioned to win the awards he craved, because he wouldn’t be seen as a petulant whiner about such things. As it is, all we can do for him now is let him show us on the cartoon face pain chart how much Worldcon hurt him, and offer him soothing hugs until all his pain goes away.
See, if only Larry had only treated Johnny Con more nicely, then he would have won the award that he so badly craves. Why won't he be friends, why?

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162 Comments:

Blogger JDC April 22, 2015 12:06 PM  

Gamma opening identifier, "It appears you are saying."

Gamma closing identifier, "I'm done with you, (_insert name_). At long last, have you no decency? Have you no shame?"

OpenID malcolmthecynic April 22, 2015 12:07 PM  

*Asks for honest dialogue*

*Gets it*

*Promptly deletes response*

George R.R. Martin, is that you?*

Yes, I am aware Vox never actually responded to him, but the pattern is the same: Call for debate, then when taken up on your offer refuse.

I think all and sundry are being too kind to Mr. Martin. Backing off from debating you isn't about you at all. It's about Martin being dishonest, and I wish Brad and Larry had called him out on that.

That doesn't mean they're you or they support Rabid Puppies, but merely that they don't like liars.

Blogger Sean April 22, 2015 12:09 PM  

It's amazing how often the pattern of SJW behavior is repeated. Thank you Vox for pointing this out. There was always something off about their behavior but I could never put my finger on it.

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 12:13 PM  

Scalzi sure whines a lot for someone whose life is set on the easiest difficulty setting

Anonymous Harsh April 22, 2015 12:14 PM  

Sorry, Johnny, but one of these days you'll just have to face the fact that you'll never get to play with the cool kids.

Anonymous Scintan April 22, 2015 12:14 PM  

Brave Sir David ran away.
Bravely ran away away.

Anonymous Harsh April 22, 2015 12:19 PM  

I knew Gerrold was a lefty pinhead from way back but even so, his recent childish behavior surprises me. Unfortunately he's yet another author I can't boycott because I've never bought any of his works.

Blogger Sean April 22, 2015 12:20 PM  

How mentally fragile must these people be? If I wanted to dress up as an overweight, sweaty, greasy, unbathed starship crewmember nothing would stop me from putting on that ill-fitting costume and party to my oversized hearts content.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A April 22, 2015 12:22 PM  

David Gerrold demonstrates that he is an arrogant, preening, pissy-pants coward. Typical. I wish I had his agent's address so I could mail him a case of "Puffs with Lotion".

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 12:22 PM  

Unfortunately he's yet another author I can't boycott because I've never bought any of his works.

Like Scalzi, his claim to fame is plagarizing Heinlein. Creative geniuses, those two.

Anonymous Daniel April 22, 2015 12:23 PM  

I still cannot believe that the SJWs were so stupid to call in GamerGate to take on the Hugos. I had a short list of predictions (in my head) of what would happen - basic things like: they'll cry, they'll make the worst choice from a list of bad choices, they'll lose. Easy, obvious stuff. I can't say I'm 100% surprised that GamerGate might at some point take interest/get involved on their own, although it seemed fairly small potatoes and tangential to their core industry at the time. I thought maybe next year, if at all.

Nowhere in my mind did I think the SJWs were so starved for abuse that they'd actually go running to the freaking ARMY who has destroyed them for nearly a year now, and poke them with a stick.

No wonder these people obsess about rape and suicide hotlines. That's what they call home cooking.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 22, 2015 12:25 PM  

Love the idiotic first comment at the art thread on deviantart there.

Anonymous Maria Hatchback April 22, 2015 12:25 PM  

I am not surprised that the Con will feature cat herding.

If you know what I mean.

Blogger Krul April 22, 2015 12:26 PM  

That picture. Hehehehe!

I've got something to say to all the GamerGaters out there:

Welcome to the puppy party, brothers. You are going to LOVE it here.

Blogger JartStar April 22, 2015 12:27 PM  

"It looks to me..."

The Gamma identifier in the first sentence. Awesome. The important indicator that the rest will be rhetoric.

Anonymous Rico April 22, 2015 12:27 PM  

Bravo Vox, you finally broke Johnny boy enough that he let the truth slip. You have the patience of a saint.

Blogger ajw308 April 22, 2015 12:28 PM  

@Scalzi, Larry never said the Hugo was stolen from him, nor did any manatee ever imply as much. Larry simply observed that due to his conservative views, having owned a gun store, and being a man of faith, he'd never be approved or accepted by the small clique that controlled the Hugo's. And he wasn't the only deserving author he saw in this boat.

But that doesn't work for you, so you lie, and lie, and lie. You belittle people on the internet, attack them, then have the nerve to call them bullies? Are your readers so unaware then can't see your hypocrisy?

Anonymous Honey Badger's Agent April 22, 2015 12:29 PM  

This is hands down the single funniest thread on the interwebz, evah. And itz just getting started.

4 thumbs up

Anonymous Mortensen April 22, 2015 12:32 PM  

The punch bowl has been shat in for the last 5 years or more and now that people are successfully cleaning in out there
are complaints that the punch tastes funny and is not their type of punch.

That's the taste of good, honest punch.

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 12:32 PM  

Serious question: when will the Lizard Queen blame opposition to her candidacy on GamerGaters?

Blogger Nate April 22, 2015 12:35 PM  

boys... you can't make this stuff up...

David Gerrold is now wanting to sell t-shirts to the other CHORFS that say "The Just Us League"

/facepalm

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A April 22, 2015 12:35 PM  

"Stilicho April 22, 2015 12:32 PM
Serious question: when will the Lizard Queen blame opposition to her candidacy on GamerGaters?"


As soon as we hear Bill say " I did not have sexual relations with that Vox!"

Anonymous Phil Mann April 22, 2015 12:36 PM  

Congratulations Vox on your nearly 2 Million monthly page views. May the growth continue.

And what's particularly humorous are these silly attempts by John Scalzi, this Dr. Sandifer guy and countless bloggers I've never heard of, to "silence" you by not including links, refusing to use either your given or pen name, and deleting any comments even remotely supportive of you. Man, that must hurt!

Well, guess you'll just have to survive somehow on your own page views alone -- all 2 Million of them.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A April 22, 2015 12:39 PM  

Nate April 22, 2015 12:35 PM
boys... you can't make this stuff up...

David Gerrold is now wanting to sell t-shirts to the other CHORFS that say "The Just Us League"


Perhaps Mr Gerrold can license this cartoon for his shirts and caps: Social Justice League

Blogger Quadko April 22, 2015 12:39 PM  

Oooh, oooh! Squirrel! A Sandra Bulllock movie reference! That'll show 'em. Though I gotta admit, it's one of my favorites to watch with my wife.

I have other questions for the anti-puppy movement. Give the voting numbers, how much more money did WorldCon gather via Puppies, and are they planning to give it back in protest? Was it a material amount? Is that why the Con organizers stay out of this, mostly? Are "old white men" with Hugos like Mike Resnick going to be erased from history, retroactively anti-puppied? How much worse would it be for them if Puppies showed up and didn't just do the nominate-from-a-distance thing? :D

Anonymous Difster April 22, 2015 12:39 PM  

Remember kids, these are essentially the same people running the colleges, the collectivist education camps (a.k.a. public schools) our government offices, corporate boardrooms, etc.

This whole Hugo Award thing might seem a bit petty if not for the larger battle.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 22, 2015 12:41 PM  

I'm having a hard time imagining someone so historically illiterate that they'd quote Joe Welch without really having any understanding of the context behind it, while unwittingly mimicking that exact same context.

What a moron.

Anonymous Covalence April 22, 2015 12:44 PM  

Been watching this quietly from the sidelines since it began, but that Scalzi post is too hilarious to ignore. That's a level of projection even some females have trouble engaging in.

Starting to understand why he likes wearing dresses, it helps calm him down after emotionally defecating over the debate floor.

Anonymous Jabari April 22, 2015 12:46 PM  

Kukuroyu did this a little earlier as well:

Gamergate Life

Anonymous Erik April 22, 2015 12:47 PM  

Here's the Gamergate spinoff reddit for Puppygate, and the threads are amusing. Half the discussion basically goes "Is Vox that bad?" "No." "Man, these people are lying about Vox a lot."

Anonymous Friend of Bill April 22, 2015 12:47 PM  

Gamma opening identifier:
"Gamma opening identifier, "It appears you are saying."

Or, y'know, maybe this whole taxonomy is just a lot of posturing claptrap.

Guess what, y'all. I'm a zeta, and a theta, and an upsilon, and a goombah, and a zwichety-zwichety-snappety-zippity-doo-dah-deh.

[SHRUGS]

Anonymous Sensei April 22, 2015 12:49 PM  

Heheh.. they say a picture speaks 1000 words, but I think that one may be saying considerably more than 16,450 words did...

Blogger Shimshon April 22, 2015 12:49 PM  

Vox your link to "SF's biggest con artist" is buggy (voxday.blogspot.con). Please fix.

Blogger Chiva April 22, 2015 12:49 PM  

"You have hurt the integrity of the awards."

Integrity can be a real bitch sometimes.

Blogger buwaya April 22, 2015 12:52 PM  

I don't understand that bit about messing up Worldcon.
This all is publicity they could never buy, excitement and drama that cant otherwise be manufactured, and, potentially, a memorable, significant and historic occasion, for which the con organizers are in the front row and potentially, with starring roles. What sort of a drudge would be unhappy about all this ?

Anonymous Harsh April 22, 2015 12:53 PM  

Or, y'know, maybe this whole taxonomy is just a lot of posturing claptrap.

A common response from gammas.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 22, 2015 12:54 PM  

That thread from Facebook is a gold mine of nuttery. They're all insane:

"Bradley Cozzens
Eloquent words David the problem is they mean absolutely nothing to the people they were written to. My regret is talking my wife's 82 year old uncle into making this is last Worldcon. Bob introduce my wife and reintroduce me and the worlds of fandom , and this will be our third Worldcon together. I personally won't forgive Larry and pray to God that I don't run into him at a comic book convention and as he likes to attend them. And with all things that have taken place I honestly don't know that I'd be able to control myself. How are you today"

Blogger The Deuce April 22, 2015 12:55 PM  

I had to. I HAD to: http://i.imgur.com/keNUHMj.png

Blogger Shebooganbits April 22, 2015 12:57 PM  

Goodness me.

Just read that "if you were a dinosaur my love" La iddesleigh move over the new queen/king/lgbtqqi++/whatever just moved inta town

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 12:57 PM  

I honestly don't know that I'd be able to control myself

Comedy gold.

What say you Ilk: will his lack of control upon meeting The Mountain That Writes result in a "squee and flee" or a "squee and pee"?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 22, 2015 12:58 PM  

Got my membership yesterday, cannot wait till I get the reading packet

Blogger Russell April 22, 2015 12:59 PM  

Are we at 23 yet?

Because I don't know what to do with all this salt already.

Anonymous JamesV April 22, 2015 1:00 PM  

and everyone who was looking forward to a party is now hurting because there's a turd in the punch bowl

They're just peeved that it is someone elses turd in the punch bowl this year. Doing all that work allows them to think their turds don't stink.

Blogger JDC April 22, 2015 1:01 PM  

Or, y'know, maybe this whole taxonomy is just a lot of posturing claptrap

Why do you hate science Friend of Bill? The gamma identifiers are as reliable, consistent, repeatable and measurable as are man-boobs, pedestalization, bitterness and a desire to simultaneously romanticize / disfigure a woman's toilet parts.

Blogger Marissa April 22, 2015 1:02 PM  

And with all things that have taken place I honestly don't know that I'd be able to control myself.

What? WHAT?!? If the guy has a wife, and that wife has an 82-year-old uncle, he's got to be in his 40s? 50s? And he won't be able to control himself around Larry Correia? Judging by his FB picture, maybe he'll try to sit on him.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 22, 2015 1:02 PM  

"I personally won't forgive Larry and pray to God that I don't run into him at a comic book convention and as he likes to attend them. And with all things that have taken place I honestly don't know that I'd be able to control myself. How are you today"

Oh, he'll control himself alright. One semi-sharp glance from Larry in his direction, and he'll crap his pants.

Anonymous Old Man in a Villa April 22, 2015 1:02 PM  

"Can we stop pretending that this is anything other than a grown up child stomping his feet, screaming look at me, look at me, loooook at meeeeee?"

You put that under a pic of Scalzi standing on his lawn and you've got a meme.

Anonymous Scintan April 22, 2015 1:05 PM  

And with all things that have taken place I honestly don't know that I'd be able to control myself.

Please post pics.

Blogger Chiva April 22, 2015 1:06 PM  

@Stilicho. "Squee, pee, then flee"

Blogger Peter April 22, 2015 1:09 PM  

Reading Gerrold and Scalzi drives something home about why I got involved with Rabid Puppies in the first place. I don't agree or disagree with Vox on everything, so in some conflicts, I'd prefer to fight with him and in others I'd prefer to fight against him. But when forced to choose sides, I trust that if I joined up with Vox and the Ilk, they wouldn't sell me out. Gerrold and Scalzi would collapse in a heart beat and then blame me for their betrayal.

You just have to look at how they fight for what they claim to believe in.

When children are going hungry, I'm outraged. When black people are being shot in the back by cops, I'm furious. When poor people are being shamed, I'm appalled. When immigrants are being made to feel like the enemy because they want a better life, I'm embarrassed. When women are denied equal pay and responsible health care, I'm beyond words at that kind of stupidity. When gay men and lesbians and transgender people are being beaten to death at the rate of one every eleven days, I'm horrified.

All David Gerrold has to offer hungry children, black men shot by cops, the poor, immigrants, women and LGBT people is this: feeling really bad for them. As a bonus, he'll also tell other people on Facebook about how strong his feelings are. But of course, only so long as he gets digital strokes and social status for those actions. Once the tide turns against him, he'll keep his mouth shut. Because he's a coward who wants to be on the right side of history, which only means that he wants to be on the winning team, not the team with the moral weight of truth and justice behind it, and so he'll keep switching sides out of self preservation until, once the conflict shakes out, he's still alive.

Anonymous Tom April 22, 2015 1:11 PM  

These sorts of posts and examples terrify me.

What dark secrets of my soul have I exposed on the Interwebz by projecting my own inner essence onto my opponents?

Do I do this? Do I ever sound like this? My God, it is terrifying.

Scalzi is so clearly unaware that his just totally projected his entire identity onto some blank canvas he was call Correia for the whole world to see. Am I being this unaware sometimes? I could imagine it, so it is possible...

That is worse than Lovecraftian leviathans in the dark depth of uncaring space.

Cthalzi.

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 22, 2015 1:12 PM  

That illustration makes me think of something Nate posted on his blog and Stilicho commented on. It was the post about the cute baby seal and how they die every time a socialist wins. We should take this and do the same. "Every time an SJW gets away with a lie, a cute sad puppy will sadly die."

Think of the puppies! Think of the children! Have you SJW's no decency? No shame?

Blogger Russell April 22, 2015 1:12 PM  

Scalzi sounds more a more like a shrill, angry, teenage girl, trying to hide the fact she's in tears because of something bad someone said about her.

Anonymous anon123 April 22, 2015 1:15 PM  

@stilicho

Depends...

Blogger Marc DuQuesne April 22, 2015 1:17 PM  

"Every time an SJW gets away with a lie, a cute sad puppy will sadly die."

...and be reborn as rabid zombie puppie

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 1:20 PM  

@ anon123

Depends...


So, judging from the adult diaper reference, I assume you're voting for "squee and pee" then?

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 1:23 PM  

It was the post about the cute baby seal and how they die every time a socialist wins.

I had fun with that one. Here it is for the Ilk to use as a starting point for your project:
For every socialist that gets relieved, an baby seal gets reprieved...

Every time a socialist is thrilled, another baby seal gets killed...

For every leftist law that's written, another baby seal is smitten...

If you don't make a socialist cry, a baby seal has to die...

Every timed a socialist is sacked, a baby seal isn't whacked...

Anonymous David Gerrold April 22, 2015 1:24 PM  

Feelings, nothing more than feelings,
Trying to forget the feelbad caused by Vox.
Teardrops rolling down on my face,
Trying to forget the feelbad caused by Vox.

FEEEEELINGS, WHOA WHOA WHOA, FEEEEELINGS!

Blogger Beefy Levinson April 22, 2015 1:24 PM  

Do they still wonder why we laugh at their disingenuous calls for "honest dialogue" and "debate"? I thought Brad's response was considerably longer than it needed to be. "We don't care" would have sufficed.

Either that or "gay."

Blogger Ryan April 22, 2015 1:25 PM  

Did anyone save Brad Torgersen's deleted comments? I'm curious what he had to say that Gerrold found so upsetting that he went full Joe Welch in response.

Blogger Beefy Levinson April 22, 2015 1:28 PM  

I once provided my friends with a selection of quotes from random sources and asked, "Was this written by a teenage girl or a gamma male?" They had a tough time guessing which was which.

Anonymous Harsh April 22, 2015 1:29 PM  

I'll never be able to enjoy The Trouble With Tribbles again.

Anonymous Alexander April 22, 2015 1:32 PM  

The picture should tell the SJWs they still have time to walk it back. Shut up, apologize, agree to vote for the best work, acknowledge that Vox's beliefs are not material for whether he is a good editor... then still not vote for him, but enough puppies win that it's no big deal and everything can slowly go back to SJW normal in a year or two's time.

Course, that won't happen. And once Vivian is holding a rabid puppy, all bets are off.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield April 22, 2015 1:35 PM  

I am considering asking Sasquan to drop Gerrold as the Hugo MC. He's obviously biased against many of the nominees and openly hostile to a great many WorldCon members.

Or would it be better to let him make a horse's ass of himself?

Blogger MidKnight April 22, 2015 1:35 PM  

@ajw
But that doesn't work for you, so you lie, and lie, and lie. You belittle people on the internet, attack them, then have the nerve to call them bullies? Are your readers so unaware then can't see your hypocrisy?


And that is why they cannot believe we are telling the truth as we see it, or give us credit for being mistaken.

They lie, they know they lie. They believe the same of us.

Blogger Nate April 22, 2015 1:36 PM  

One boast goes, the Social Justice Warriors see my name and flee. Another goes... Look at all these dead Social Justice Warriors. #dreadilk

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 1:41 PM  

Or would it be better to let him make a horse's ass of himself?

for the lulz

and you can probably bet he's planning something...memorable... a full blown sissy-hissy as it were

Anonymous RedJack April 22, 2015 1:44 PM  

For $40, I have one of the most amusing and educational shows played out before me.

If the stakes weren't so small this would be sad. Now it is just bat crap crazy.

Blogger Rabbi B April 22, 2015 1:44 PM  

"He’s a fine con man . . . "

Puleeeeeze!

Yeah . . . he regularly and tirelessly employs the dreaded TRUTH to dupe and bend people's minds to conform to his nefarious, self-serving will.

Proudly serving in the ranks of the conned and the duped.

Anonymous Rico April 22, 2015 1:46 PM  

He is the Hugo MC? Why wouldn't we ask them to drop him? He could make a joke about puppies, do you know how hurtful that would be to the puppies? If Sasquan wants a safe space where all world con attendies feel welcome Gerrold must go!

Blogger darkdoc April 22, 2015 1:47 PM  

Always the same:

SJW1: Attack, redefine, disqualify, whine, wave hands limply.
SJW2: Attack, redefine, disqualify, whine, wave hands limply.
PUPPY, MEMBER OF ILK: Any response - however it is stated.
SJW1: HOW INCREDIBLY RUDE!!!
SJW2: YES, HOW INCREDIBLY RUDE!!!

Anonymous Steve April 22, 2015 1:47 PM  

You have hurt the Sasquan committee.

LOL. Gay.

Blogger Subversive Saint April 22, 2015 1:55 PM  

Entry fee paid. Now I'm legit.

Blogger Jay Lucas April 22, 2015 1:57 PM  

From the comment deviantart comment section:

"What about when Anita says that it's not right harassing people and then...people start harassing her as a response."

They never pay attention. Not to the words they read, not to events... They can look at it sideways, at best. They can overhear, but they can't listen. And then they're compelled to give a faulty account of the world... Yeah, I guess that's the Gamma vs Omega thing. Ugly.

Blogger Noah B April 22, 2015 1:59 PM  

"I think all and sundry are being too kind to Mr. Martin. Backing off from debating you isn't about you at all. It's about Martin being dishonest, and I wish Brad and Larry had called him out on that."

In his post yesterday Brad T mentioned -- as Vox has mentioned on several occasions -- that one of the motives for going after the Hugos is that SFF is dying as people are simply buying less and less of it. SFF needs to change if it is going to be saved.

Mentioning the sharp decline in SFF as well as all other leftist media, and backing it up with numbers, drives the SJWs nuts because their whole ideology revolves around groupthink. They can't function without it.

Anonymous MendoScot April 22, 2015 1:59 PM  

This is too much fun - I need to get some work done.

The complete absence of any self-awareness in these people is beyond anything I have ever encountered in a thirty-year academic career.

And the punchbowl analogy - he really didn't see the obvious retort? So blind, so blind...

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 2:00 PM  

There's a certain...odor...of desperation starting to arise from the SJW's. Shaming didn't work against puppies who were secure in their convictions. Ostracism didn't work against puppies who exist because they were not part of the warren in the first place. Appeals to authority (GRRM) only demonstrated the cowardice of the "authority". Divide and conquer didn't work because the SP's and the RP's are not the same group...they're merely firing at the same target. Appeals to "reasonableness" did not work because the puppies understand that there is nothing reasonable about abandoning principle in return for the faux approval of your enemies. Attempts to enlist the SP's against the RP's didn't work for the same reason that divide and conquer didn't work. And now, the appeal to victim status "You have hurt [insert victim group here]" hasn't worked because no puppies think that these would-be bullies are victims of anything but their own degenerate beliefs. The discovery that their playbook isn't working has unleashed a fog of panic pheromones in the warren.

I wonder what's next? An attempt to get the apparatus of the state involved?

Anonymous Harsh April 22, 2015 2:00 PM  

I am considering asking Sasquan to drop Gerrold as the Hugo MC. He's obviously biased against many of the nominees and openly hostile to a great many WorldCon members.

Or would it be better to let him make a horse's ass of himself?


I'm hoping for an epic meltdown. I'm only sad that I'm a supporting and not attending member.

Blogger Noah B April 22, 2015 2:02 PM  

"I wonder what's next? An attempt to get the apparatus of the state involved?"

They would love to, as TNH already suggested, and I wouldn't put it past either them or the state.

Anonymous Alexander April 22, 2015 2:07 PM  

Maybe they can make every ROTC candidate write a story of a transsexual set in space.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 22, 2015 2:08 PM  

When gay men and lesbians and transgender people are being beaten to death at the rate of one every eleven days, I'm horrified to hear the race of their attackers. Soros told us it was only STR8 white Christian churchgoing men that attacked us.

Anonymous Steve April 22, 2015 2:08 PM  

Welcome to the party, Subversive Saint!

We set sail for Sasquan on our mighty longboats, with a lusty song in our throats and pillage on our minds.

David Gerrold will be pantsed.

John Scalzi will be wedgied.

George R. R. Martin's bra straps will be snapped.

Anonymous p-dawg April 22, 2015 2:10 PM  

@Noah B: Assuming they do, that's another lose for them. They will not be able to control the Hugos anymore, because the state will be busy doing so. And while it's unlikely the state will manage the Hugos in a manner that the puppies agree with, it's also unlikely that they will manage them in a manner the SJWs agree with either, and once invited in, the state never leaves.

Anonymous Steve April 22, 2015 2:13 PM  

Alexander - Maybe they can make every ROTC candidate write a story of a transsexual set in space.

The Moon Is A Harsh Mister

Anonymous totenhenchen April 22, 2015 2:13 PM  

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 22, 2015 2:14 PM  

I am not on "exesgetinyour" facebook anymore can someone post my above reply to David Gerrold.

Anonymous Steve April 22, 2015 2:15 PM  

When gay men and lesbians and transgender people are being beaten to death at the rate of one every eleven days, I'm horrified

I'm horrified too.

It wouldn't take me 11 days to beat someone to death.

Noodle-armed sissies.

Anonymous Alexander April 22, 2015 2:16 PM  

Maybe Scalzi's next book can be Redshoes.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 22, 2015 2:16 PM  

@Stilicho

"I wonder what's next? An attempt to get the apparatus of the state involved?"

TNH, or THN, or whatever that formerly-Tor'd woman's initials are, floated the trial balloon when she said they would publish how everyone nominated and voted:

They plan to review the specific ballots, see who voted for SP and RP, and then contact their employers.

Blogger Student in Blue April 22, 2015 2:17 PM  

@p-dawg

You're thinking that they'd willingly give up power to the state.

No, they'd bring in the state as long as they remain in a position of power. They'll involve the state, just not in the way you describe.

Anonymous Harsh April 22, 2015 2:18 PM  

When black people are being shot in the back by cops, I'm furious.

But no mention of the 6,000 black-on-black homicides in 2012.

When women are denied equal pay and responsible health care, I'm beyond words at that kind of stupidity.

But no mention of the 14,000 assaults on white women by blacks in 2007.

I find his lack of concern appalling. The guy is some kind of weird racist misogynist or something. I really feel bad now.

Anonymous BGS April 22, 2015 2:21 PM  

I see your social justice league and raise you the Freedom Assault Group http://www.conspirazzi.com/tag/freedom-assault-group/

Anonymous Daniel April 22, 2015 2:23 PM  

When gay men and lesbians and transgender people are being beaten to death at the rate of one every eleven days, I'm horrified

I doubt it. That is faster than their natural reproduction rate by an order of googleplex.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 22, 2015 2:26 PM  

I did not read anything past seeing the picture before I knew exactly what it meant.
And I have so far only read the first sentence.

And I smiled. And I am still smiling. Even the teeth in the fifth row at the back are showing I am smiling so much.
This.
Will.
Be.
Glorious.

Anonymous p-dawg April 22, 2015 2:26 PM  

@Student in Blue: I do believe that you are correct that they believe that. But that isn't how it works. You don't dictate the terms to the state, even if it appear that you do at first. Once the government hooks are in, you're done. But I sincerely hope they believe as you described, because that way they won't see the train coming until it's too late.

Blogger Sean April 22, 2015 2:27 PM  

$40 is hard to come by, but I just paid it because I think the SP/RP is a just cause and worthy of the expense. Thank you to Larry, Brad, Vox and the ilk for storming this beach.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 22, 2015 2:29 PM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius April 22, 2015 2:30 PM  

Oh yes, definitely a con-man.

Once you meet one, you know what to look for, in fact you can't help but constantly scan for it. And yes, Scalzi is unquestionably one of them.

I am willing to bet that Vox's inbox, is filled with stories about Scalzi, sent by people who were delighted to hear that there was someone who could him harm in someway, anyway at all.

Funny thing about con-men, in my experience it runs in families.

Blogger Buddy E. April 22, 2015 2:32 PM  

Anyone have a link to the PNH threats to contract sp/rpb employers? Did that really happen?

Blogger Student in Blue April 22, 2015 2:33 PM  

@p-dawg

I agree, if they try to involve the state it won't play to the way the SJW think it will.

I also don't think that the state will "manage the Hugos", if at least for the reason that SJWs won't want to give up that illusion of power, and the state will have quite literally zero interest in managing it. Could they dictate it? Sure, but that's not managing.

Only thing I see as being a damper to my amusement is the fact that they wouldn't see the chains that are placed on them. They live in a self-delusion world, after all.

Blogger J Van Stry April 22, 2015 2:35 PM  

I'm confused. If Scalazi is such a nice guy, why did he spend all that time attacking and taunting Larry Correia last year after the Hugo's?
I mean if he's saying that Larry is doing this because people hurt him, then rather than continuing to be a nasty prick, shouldn't Scalazi be apologizing? Being nice?

He sounds like that guy who blames the victim...

It's rather bizarre behavior.

Anonymous HalibetLector April 22, 2015 2:37 PM  

I wonder what's next? An attempt to get the apparatus of the state involved?

Swatting comes next.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield April 22, 2015 2:41 PM  

Scalzi admitted himself that REDSHIRTS didn't win "The Most Prestigious Science Fiction Award Recognizing the Best Writing in the Year" because it was an exceptional and finely crafted literary work.

In his own words (from WHATEVER, emphasis mine):

#

1. Of the books nominated, it’s the one the people voting LIKED THE MOST — or, more accurately, because it’s a preferential ballot, it’s the one the voters liked well enough, all things considered, to allow it to survive several elimination rounds to come out the overall winner.

2. It’s a career award, i.e., the voters liked my stuff overall and thought I should have a Hugo AS A SIGN OF APPRECIATION, even if this is not their favorite of my works. This is the “Al Pacino” gambit — he won his Oscar for Scent of a Woman, which no one in their right mind considers his best work.

3. The voters LIKE ME AS A PERSON and thought that I might like a Hugo, so here, they said, have one.

#

Note the merits of the novel are not a factor in its win. It won because people "liked it" (not a popularity contest, eh?) or liked its author and his other works.

Do you suppose Scalzi is so hollow a man that he can actually look at his Hugo with unalloyed pride? Or does maybe a little piece of honesty and integrity still whispers "bullshit"?

Anonymous Joseph P. Kennedy's Buddy April 22, 2015 2:42 PM  

"At long last, have you no decency? Have you no shame?"

102 rabbit points for the (ironic) McCarthyism reference:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html

These SJW shitheads all read from the same songbook. They are fucking boring.

Anonymous Earl April 22, 2015 2:46 PM  

Remember gents, 1 to 3 ratio- for every 3 words your bitch uses, you respond with 1 or less. That whole rant merited nothing more than a birthday cat emoji.

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 2:47 PM  

102 rabbit points for the (ironic) McCarthyism reference

Oh, I think is should be awarded more points than that given the fact that he just finished threatening Brad with multiple blacklistings. That's some industrial grade irony there.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 22, 2015 2:52 PM  

"#549 ::: Brad from Sunnyvale ::: (view all by) ::: April 12, 2015, 04:10 PM:
I presume we're talking nominating here, not voting. The problem with publicly visible voting (aside from what Bruce outlined with sniping etc.) is that it changes your vote from its "natural" state, or makes it more or less likely you will vote, which is what a bias does."

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/016199.html#016199
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/016206.html#016206

I recall reading it; there is a lot of talk about making everything public on those. You see that Brad the Non-vampire-slayer from Sunnyville became a little concerned about the direction of what should or should not be made public about individual nominations.

"#155 ::: perlhaqr ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2015, 01:00 PM:
Ctein @76: "On the other side, if I were a GGer, I'd be thinking "Cool, I bet I can track down at least 10% of those SJWs (meaning everyone who ain't a GG or SP) and then I'll DOX'em." "

If the Hugos publish name and address of people who nominate, as suggested in #38, it won't be the GGers who are "doxing" people. The Hugos will have taken care of that for them already."

I think she's done some scrubbing already.

Blogger Guitar Man April 22, 2015 2:52 PM  

Dang it, LC needs to go and fisk Scalzi. It has been awhile.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 22, 2015 2:54 PM  

Continuing from Making Light about taking advantage of their special relationship with the vote counters and code writers:

#38 ::: Phil Palmer ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2015, 04:49 PM:
There is a proverb, "Bad cases make bad law", that everyone quickly forgets. This corresponds to Bruce's point number 2, in the OP. I would say that the voting system doesn't need to change just because of the puppies. Indeed, doing so is more likely to entrench slates into the system. What you could change, if you wanted to, would be to make nominations transparent, so that every nomination, successful or not, was published with all the nominators' names and addresses.

Blogger Danby April 22, 2015 2:55 PM  

@Jon Bromfield
"Do you suppose Scalzi is so hollow a man that he can actually look at his Hugo with unalloyed pride? Or does maybe a little piece of honesty and integrity still whispers "bullshit"?
"


He hugs it to his chest and says "You like me. You really like me.".

But then, Ms Fields has admitted that she is mentally ill.

Anonymous Porky April 22, 2015 2:57 PM  

John Scalzi will be wedgied.

Now there's a kickstarter I can support. I'm in for $50.

I will require video evidence though.

Anonymous Big Bill April 22, 2015 2:58 PM  

Gerrold's "open letter" was not directed to Brad, but to the warren. Gerrold is going to show up, get his free press, paid hotel, paid travel, whatever.

But he must squee at the warren, wrap himself in SJW bona fides, and hint that the only reason he is doing it is so all the little people who put on the Con did not work in vain.

If Gerrold did not squee and ferociously beat his breast, the warren would start asking him why he himself did not drop out in solidarity with the others.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 22, 2015 3:01 PM  

#290 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: April 09, 2015, 12:39 PM:
Mark Z. @281: I can imagine several voters independently coming up with the same five nominees in one category. Not a problem. What I'd question would be them doing it in more than one category.

At that point I'd want to hear that they're all members of the same little SF club and are voting in the Hugos for the first time, or are online BFFs who came up with their nominees during a long chatty groupthink session. And you know, even then I'd expect variations, because anyone who cares enough to vote in the Hugos is bound to Have Opinions.

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/016199.html#016199

Of course, she still lies:

Aren't we all members of this little SFF book club? Didn't we come up with these through a long BFF session? I know I was in on the comments and I wanted Jartsar and Sci Phi Journal, and I also put in a recommendation for a show that didn't make the list.

Aren't we mostly first time voters?

Blogger Double E April 22, 2015 3:03 PM  

Its funny he accuses you of 'shitting in the punch bowl", when really they have been drinking from a toilet bowl for years, and you've proven it by actually pouring a little punch in

Anonymous Daniel April 22, 2015 3:05 PM  

Man they can't make anything stick.

Oh! Slate bad! - I was on the slate. I got nothing for it (thanks, Ilk!)...proving either that slates don't do what SJWs think they do, or that there was a corruption in the vote counting process...

Oh! Recommender a badthinker! GRRM insists that a dwarf can't get laid without paying. Recommends a list.

But, but...trufans volunteer! the Toad volunteers to crush an Indian between skinfolds. "The Hugos don't belong to SF fans."

They need to hire some professional PR. Their amateur hour antics are really stinking up the joint. Maybe that girl who used to work at Entertainment Weekly needs a resume builder...

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 22, 2015 3:09 PM  

I believe I have defended my assertion now with facts available. Given how much she prides herself on moderating and reviewing comments over there, and there is no positive statement against her fascist fans suggesting making the full details known of voters with their names and addresses, unlike Vox Popoli with the known policy of letting every rambling fool sound off and stand on his own, Making Light has entertained the idea of making everyone's information public. I do remember a comment over here that the answer from the Rabid Puppies would be - so fucking what? - but I couldn't find that immediately. I was sure I'd seen "Teresa" (I like to think she pronounces it like John Kerry's wife) squeal about it, but, given her penchant for rewriting things over there, I don't find it immediately, and perhaps she thought it was too radioactive. Still, it's hilarious her comment about the SF club actually describes what happened on the Rabid Puppies threads over here, and we even have a club email list - it's called the Castalia House newsletter.

Blogger wrf3 April 22, 2015 3:21 PM  

This is priceless.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield April 22, 2015 3:26 PM  

Big Bill, that's an argument for Gerrold not hosting the Hugos.

Gerrold has by his actions disqualified himself as MC. He will not, cannot, has shown no disposition to be, fair, tolerant and reasonable. Given that, he should not to be allowed the free press, paid hotel, paid travel, whatever benefits that accrue to a Guest of Honor, that I, as an attending WorldCon member, am paying for.

I have asked the Sasquan chair to demand Gerrold step down or remove him if he doesn't.

He and his Romper Room crybabies have shown nothing but animosity and contempt for me and the other reformers, so now we will return the favor.

Little Davie Poopy-pants can bitch and moan and cry in the Safe Room with Connie Butthurt and the other pantywaists.

Enough of this shit.

Anonymous Donn April 22, 2015 3:29 PM  

“We have long ago paid the goblins of Corriea and Torgerson,” said Gerrold; “we must give a thought to the Voxromancer.”

“Don’t be absurd! He is an enemy quite beyond the powers of all the Social Justice Warriors put together, if they could all be collected again from the four corners of the world.”

Anonymous Varenius April 22, 2015 3:30 PM  

it is now about you and Larry Correia and a few others associated with you.

It wasn't, until you SJWs made it so.

Anonymous Alexander April 22, 2015 3:38 PM  

Last year, I believe it was made perfectly clear by the enemy that it is perfectly acceptable to have the Hugo speaker removed.

I see no reason not to follow the example they have provided in this instance.

Anonymous Alexander April 22, 2015 3:39 PM  

And those who argue you want him to stay so you can watch the hissyfit... imagine the reaction if his limelight is taken away. You aren't going to be left wanting!

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 22, 2015 4:08 PM  

I wonder what's next? An attempt to get the apparatus of the state involved?

Probably. Leftists usually turn to the government when they don't get their way.

Blogger Buddy E. April 22, 2015 4:09 PM  

@MrGreenMan

Wasn't really meaning tocl challenge your assertion (and excuse my brevity and lack of clarity, I've been in ICU with my dad all week so typing this on my phone).

I just wanted to see it with my own eyes, truthfully. Mainly because I wanted to screen shot it if the statement still existed. Truthfully I don't put ANYTHING past the Haydens at this point. Thanks for the links.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 22, 2015 4:27 PM  

Daniel: "I doubt it. That is faster than their natural reproduction rate by an order of googleplex."

Perhaps...but what about their conversion rate?

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 22, 2015 4:27 PM  

@Buddy E

No harm, no foul, and no malice or challenge detected - your request made it better and I didn't realize just how many times they kept talking about "public voting" and "public records" public public public over there.

And I really hope that your dad gets better. Having been at my father's side in an ICU when he had emergency heart surgery, it is difficult. May God's love through his son Jesus Christ touch and sustain you and yours in this time.

Anonymous norwayguy18 April 22, 2015 4:31 PM  

These are your enemies.

http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate/comments/33fzgw/the_image_of_hamplanetry_with_bonus_guess_that/

Can't even tell what gender they are from objectively available materials. Even with name clues.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 22, 2015 4:32 PM  

From Gerrold's rant: "And you have hurt all the fans who will be attending, all the fans who wil be following events online."

ALL??? Nuh-uh, that's a flat out lie. Certainly the fans who are SP/RP supporters haven't been hurt by the SP/RP campaigns, at a minimum.

Oh, wait...those fans don't count, do they?

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes April 22, 2015 4:37 PM  

Just signed up at Sasquan. So much entertainment for so little money.

Anonymous DC April 22, 2015 4:55 PM  

Poor Gerrold and Scalzi:

Ask not for whom the gored cow moos, it moos for thee.

This whole thing has been mightily entertaining, indeed.

Anonymous B Lewis April 22, 2015 5:07 PM  

This is so sweet. Watching Pink SF burn, burn, burn is better than sex. It's like watching one of those atomic bomb test compilation movies. Boom! There goes Gerrold. Boom! Scalzi. Boom! The Hugos...

By the way: I will be appearing as a guest at A-Kon in Dallas, 5-7 June. I'll be there to pimp my new books (and the old one, too), and I'll be running two, possibly three panels. If you are in the DFW area that weekend, please drop by. It costs nothing to get in; badges are only needed if one wishes to go into the Premium areas (e.g., Dealer's Room, Cosplay Contest, etc.) Mr. Lee Madison, my good friend and creator of both the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies insignia, will be there as well. See you at the convention!

Blogger Markku April 22, 2015 5:09 PM  

Vivian's expression is just right. It's not overtly hostile - she's not going to do the dirty deeds herself. But she knows what's about to happen.

Blogger So Meh April 22, 2015 5:27 PM  

Best $40 I've ever spent. Am I being entertained? Yes. thank you.

Anonymous Popehat Can Eat A Cock April 22, 2015 6:55 PM  

Have no fear.

The SJWs are peaceful.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/22/michigan-business-owner-gay-facebook-vandalism/26174937/

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 22, 2015 6:58 PM  

"A common response from gammas."

Whoa there, Einstein, didn't see THAT one a-comin'.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee April 22, 2015 7:40 PM  

I have as much empathy as the next guy, OK somewhat less, so all I can really think to say to David Gerrold is that if Brad Torgerson can send your life into such a tailspin of sickness and loathing he should get some professional help. Seriously, Gerrold needs to check the dosage on his meds.

Anonymous The Original Hermit April 22, 2015 7:49 PM  

"You! I've just awarded you the prize for the hundred-meter dash. Does it make you happy? […] No dodging, please. You have the prize — here, I'll write it out: 'Grand prize for the championship, one hundred-meter sprint.' " He had actually come back to my seat and pinned it on my chest. "There! Are you happy? You value it — or don't you?" Mr. Dubois had looked surprised. "It doesn't make you happy?"
"You know darn well I placed fourth!"
"Exactly! The prize for first place is worthless to you . . . because you haven't earned it. But you enjoy a modest satisfaction in placing fourth; you earned it."


As much as I enjoy this whole kerfuffle, I can honestly see why Vox and Mr. Correia don't care about getting a Hugo. If it can be gamed, it doesn't mean anything. If it were an honest competition with both sides operating in good faith it would be a valuable prize worth seeking. As it is, it's as worthless as that 'Grand prize for the championship, one hundred-meter sprint".

Anonymous Giuseppe April 22, 2015 8:00 PM  

Tom,
"Cthalzi."

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!! You win the thread in my opinion.

OpenID cailcorishev April 22, 2015 8:02 PM  

Vox and other like-minded thinkers routinely post large, unedited chunks of their opponents' screeds, also providing links to the originals. They also tend to have open comment policies, allowing their opponents to post freely as long as they meet basic standards of human conversation.

The SJWs turn comments on and off depending on whether their need for validation exceeds their fear of butthurt at the moment. They often refuse to link to their opponents' sites, claiming this as a righteous stance. They delete their opponents' arguments or quote them dishonestly, and even delete their own posts when they realize they've talked themselves into a corner. They constantly revise their own textual history, just as the Soviets used to do with pictures of purged officials.

But we're the intolerant, dishonest, unfair ones.

Anonymous Dead Kulak April 22, 2015 8:28 PM  

cailcorishev:

MCCARTHYISM!!!

That is all.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 22, 2015 8:28 PM  

cailcorishev,
comrade, cail-cor-i-shev-3 please report yourself for extermination at computer node 17.

Anyone who used to play pen and paper RPGs should understand the reference here.

Blogger Dave W. April 22, 2015 9:15 PM  

There's not enough popcorn in my kitchen for me to properly enjoy the mocking of Tribble and McRapey. Awesome.

Blogger IM2L844 April 22, 2015 9:17 PM  

This is so sweet. Watching Pink SF burn, burn, burn is better than sex.

Maybe Star Wolf needs a makeover and reassignment, Bruce.

Blogger James Dixon April 22, 2015 9:52 PM  

Sigh, I see too many people beat me to the obvious Depends joke.

But I don't think Larry would even have to look at the guy. He obviously knows nothing about Larry, and I think one look at him from a distance would do the job.

> David Gerrold is now wanting to sell t-shirts to the other CHORFS that say "The Just Us League"

If he actually goes through with this, someone needs to notify DC Comics immediately. I'm sure their lawyers would not be happy.

Anonymous B Lewis April 22, 2015 10:10 PM  

IM2L844: Funny story about me, Gerrold, and Star Wolf. I won't go into it here on the Internet, but if you and I ever meet up in person, remind me to tell it to you.

Suffice it to say that some people fit stereotypes very, very well.

Blogger Russell April 22, 2015 10:17 PM  

Giuseppe, you are sounding like Paranoia is getting to you...

Anonymous sl April 22, 2015 10:59 PM  

"The difference is that if I say I have two million monthly pageviews, you can be 100 percent certain that I do. I do not lie on the Internet. It is very, very stupid to lie on the Internet. "

Anyone ever see a program called "RATE ME UP"...any of you cs types know how it works?...

Anonymous B Lewis April 22, 2015 11:01 PM  

All-purpose reply to any SJW comment: "Franco sabía cómo manejar pequeñas mierdas rojas como tú."

Blogger bob k. mando April 22, 2015 11:29 PM  

i can hardly find this to be credible .... has no one yet pointed out that this motto applies?

"It's about ethics in Hugo voting."

Blogger Poor Guy April 22, 2015 11:47 PM  

"It's our party, now go home" is the SJW response. Figures.

Anonymous The other robot April 23, 2015 12:34 AM  

Kary English said:

We’re being kicked and bullied and savaged all over the internet.

And it buthurts.


I might have modified that a bit.

Blogger The Original Hermit April 23, 2015 1:02 AM  

'David Gerrold is now wanting to sell t-shirts to the other CHORFS that say "The Just Us League" '

We need to get in on this t shirt racket. Kind of like the MRAs selling "male tears" mugs to feminists, we can make some money off the SJWs, then use that to fund scholarships for next year's hugos.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 23, 2015 1:43 AM  

cailcorishev, the computer is your friend.

Anonymous rho April 23, 2015 2:25 AM  

The SJWs turn comments on and off depending on whether their need for validation exceeds their fear of butthurt at the moment. They often refuse to link to their opponents' sites, claiming this as a righteous stance. They delete their opponents' arguments or quote them dishonestly, and even delete their own posts when they realize they've talked themselves into a corner. They constantly revise their own textual history, just as the Soviets used to do with pictures of purged officials.

The people who need this kind of information control are the people who are the easiest to control or deceive.

If you need to manage or massage information to suit your requirements, you have, by definition, relegated information acquisition to second- or third-tier status. You will not have all of the information at hand, because you will have rejected some percentage of information out of hand. The rejection will be based on factors that originate from "authorized" sources.

The problem here is that "authorized" sources can be smurfed. The authority of the SMOFs is entirely dependent on who shows up to vote. VD's publishing house may be penny-ante now, and an unqualified market to the SFWA, but he's just been launched into international recognition--submissions from unlikely corners will likely follow, along with loyalties. The unauthorized become authorized with astonishing alacrity.

Followers, born to follow, will follow the strongest leader.

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out. VD clearly has something on the boil, the success of which is yet to be determined, but in the meantime--what fun!

Blogger James Dixon April 23, 2015 2:38 AM  

> VD's publishing house may be penny-ante now,

I'm not so sure that it is even now. From Markku's comments, it sounds like sales are up substantially from this brouhaha. And all of the attention will only attract even more authors who are tired of being treated as second class citizens by their current publishers. I expect rapid growth. How, Markku, how long before you go public and we can buy shares? Or even limited ownership shares that aren't publicly traded?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 23, 2015 3:41 AM  

rho: "The people who need this kind of information control are the people who are the easiest to control or deceive."

From the point of view of those who program these drones, that's a feature not a bug.

Blogger Bogey April 23, 2015 5:12 AM  

But that doesn't work for you, so you lie, and lie, and lie. You belittle people on the internet, attack them, then have the nerve to call them bullies? Are your readers so unaware then can't see your hypocrisy?

Quite the internet tough guy isn't he.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 23, 2015 10:38 AM  

"The problem here is that "authorized" sources can be smurfed."

Oh, that isn't the ONLY problem.

Blogger rcocean April 23, 2015 11:29 AM  

"Therefore, it’s Vox Day and not either Mr. Torgersen or Mr. Correia who was the true slatemaker here"

I'm surprised Vox didn't attack this illogical statement. Unless you know the entire vote count including who voted based on SP3 and who voted for RP, its impossible to prove this conclusion. For example, if 100 people voted for a RP3 winner and the 2nd place finisher had 90, and 60 were RP3 voters, how can 40 were other voters - how can you say that Vox Day was responsible?

Blogger rcocean April 23, 2015 11:31 AM  

Of course, given that Scalzi is a SJW and reaches his conclusions first, and then writes the justifications later, I'm not surprised. Rhetoric always trumps logic and everything else with JS.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 23, 2015 2:24 PM  

It's merely an attempt at disassociative association. By making it appear as though Vox/RP was solely responsible, he can smear RP with GamerGate participation without splashing it onto Brad & Larry.

Blogger Cuca Culpa April 23, 2015 2:52 PM  

I wonder what's next? An attempt to get the apparatus of the state involved?

The SJWs are waiting to see how Elonis shakes out to see how they're going to be able to criminalize butthurt consistent with the First Amendment.

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