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Tuesday, April 21, 2015

Meta-SWATTing

Patterico has the details:
This is one of the creepiest articles I have ever read. It reminds me of my experience being SWATted — having armed police rush into my home in what looked like retaliation for my speech. Yet in the case described in the article, the SWATting is actually being carried out . . . by the government. In Wisconsin, citizens had cops bust into their homes with battering rams. Property was taken from their homes, in full view of the neighbors — and in some cases officers mocked them. Then the citizens were told that they could tell nobody about what had happened. If they did, they could go to jail. All for exercising their First Amendment rights. Essentially, for being conservatives.
This should be kept in mind by anyone who still thinks going along to get along is still an option. The Statists are as insistent in their demand for submission as those who named their religion after the concept.

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161 Comments:

Blogger Josh April 21, 2015 9:11 AM  

That story is absolutely infuriating.

It should also destroy the good cop myth once and for all.

Blogger bob k. mando April 21, 2015 9:14 AM  

yep, this goes back to my point about the inversion of the Constitution via amendments yesterday:

the Constitution + BoR were formulated as constraints and limits UPON THE FEDERAL government, in order to maximize the Liberty described in the Declaration.

all those amendments which LIMIT THE PEOPLE expressly violate the purpose and philosophies upon which this Republic was founded. regardless of the legality of their passing.

Blogger Markku April 21, 2015 9:15 AM  

That's pretty much in line with my impression of the USA.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 9:32 AM  

Prosecutors in this country are out of control and largely unaccountable under the law. They are extremely shortsighted for allowing this situation to continue, as Mexico is an example of what the backlash looks like.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 9:38 AM  

We get what we tolerate.

We are all to blame.

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 9:44 AM  

As the cops become more politicized and militarized, the Army is becoming more politicized and feminized via Little red shoes

Spikes, six inch, tranny red, 2 each.

The U.S, Army has embarked upon a novel new strategy for winning wars: sending women who aren't physically or mentally capable of meeting minimum standards to Ranger School while sending future infantry officers marching down Main Street in partial drag. Paging Tom Kratman, please answer the white courtesy phone... for the lulz, of course...

Anonymous Brother Thomas April 21, 2015 9:44 AM  

Human nature is self-destructive. Such actions simply chip away at the very foundation upon which they stand. We're winning.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 9:47 AM  

The army is shifting from physically tough and capable individuals, for the most part patriots and moral, to an army full of those types who will operate drones and robots, do as they are told, and fire on Americans.

That is the goal. The cops are the stormtroopers, roided up and stupid enough to go against entire communities only to be destroyed so the military can be brought in with their drones and robots.

All in the plan.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 9:49 AM  

Our subjugation is at hand.

And your skill at first person shooter games will not save you.

Anonymous Harsh April 21, 2015 9:51 AM  

We get what we tolerate.

We are all to blame.


Dammit, Timmy went and said something sane that I agree with. Worlds are colliding.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 9:51 AM  

The Constitution is on it's death bed.

If you don't assert your rights you do not have them.

The next time you are stopped follow the "transportation stop action script" and film it. If you get tazed, beaten or shot, all the better.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 21, 2015 9:52 AM  

Reminds me of a scene in the Kevin Spencer show where a US border gives reverence to the US Constitution and Percy Spencer responds with "So what? It's just a piece of paper. It's not like you guys actually pay attention to it."

Percy Spencer's character was an alcoholic drug-abusing welfare king and petty criminal. So if a guy like that understands that simple concept, the rest of us should as well.

The Constitution is dead. It had a good run until the Secession War (popularly known as the "Civil War" but it wasn't a civil war by any means) and then after that, it was downhill. The final nail has already been thoroughly hammer into its coffin.

Voting only serves to pick the looter class, nothing more. And once people start to realize this, real change will begin to take place.

Blogger Student in Blue April 21, 2015 9:53 AM  

I'd say this is what happens when you train the populace to be submissive and follow orders - someone eventually abuses that.

It's like the people who make sweeping new changes never stop to think about how their new system could be broken and abused. Instead, it's all roses and sunshine and no one will ever, ever do the wrong thing with it.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 21, 2015 9:57 AM  

From the story:
"Why were the police at Anne’s home? She had no answers. The police were treating them the way they’d seen police treat drug dealers on television."

I would bet they watched COPS every Saturday night, cheering as some vibrant or shirtless redneck was jammed up by the badge wearing thugs.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 9:57 AM  

If you have your children in public school, you have facilitated their enslavement. That system is nothing but slave training and family destruction facilitation.

Like raising cattle, when one cow shows a spark of intelligence, eat her!

Anonymous frenchy April 21, 2015 9:59 AM  

@ Bob,

Any constitution is only as good as the character of the people who uphold it.

Now, neither the local, state, or federal govts follow it (who are all a reflection of the majority of the governed people). You and I want to follow it, but they do not.

It's like Lysander Spooner said, "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."

America is done. Totally lawless. Put a fork in it. I'm planning for breakup by 2030.

Blogger wrf3 April 21, 2015 10:05 AM  

Tiny Tim wrote: We get what we tolerate.

Hence Sad/Rabid Puppies and the completely predictable reaction, lather, rinse, repeat, world without end.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 10:09 AM  

Would Patrick Henry have allowed his wife to be digitally penetrated by a redcoat in the name of public safety searching for black market tea in a routine stop and search?

We would.

Anonymous CunningDove April 21, 2015 10:13 AM  

Josh April 21, 2015 9:11 AM
It should also destroy the good cop myth once and for all.


Yes, it should. It won't, because too many people believe the myth that we are still the nation our founders gave us. They won't understand until it is too late. This does not mean that we should stop trying to show them the truth. Just, don't expect them to hear the truth.

Anonymous CunningDove April 21, 2015 10:19 AM  

Josh April 21, 2015 9:11 AM
It should also destroy the good cop myth once and for all.


Yes, it should. It won't, because too many people believe the myth that we are still the nation our founders gave us. They won't understand until it is too late. This does not mean that we should stop trying to show them the truth. Just, don't expect them to hear the truth.

Blogger john black April 21, 2015 10:22 AM  

"Please don't shoot the dogs". That's what these thugs are known for, killing dogs for the hell of it.

Fuck the police.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 21, 2015 10:32 AM  

"It should also destroy the good cop myth once and for all."

If you read the comments to the story over on the National Review site, you will see how far from reality this is.

There are a few who speak out against the cops, but most are ranting about "liberals" and "Democrats". "Law abiding" is tossed around like it is some kind of virtue to blindly follow the edicts of elected officials.

Blogger bob k. mando April 21, 2015 10:33 AM  

frenchy April 21, 2015 9:59 AM
Any constitution is only as good as the character of the people who uphold it.



indeed. i already pointed out, did i not, that those amendments LIMITING THE PEOPLE had been 'properly' passed.

arguments could certainly be made that the secessionist states ratified the 14th under duress ... and that therefore their 'ratification' was invalid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Ratification_by_the_states
"State legislatures in every formerly Confederate state, with the exception of Tennessee, refused to ratify it. This refusal led to the passage of the Reconstruction Acts. Ignoring the existing state governments, military government was imposed until new civil governments were established and the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified.[19] It also prompted Congress to pass a law on March 2, 1867, requiring that a former Confederate state must ratify the Fourteenth Amendment before "said State shall be declared entitled to representation in Congress"."

also amusing to note that three of the northern states voted to ratify the 14th, then noticed what a reprehensible law it was and voted to rescind the ratification ( New Jersey, Ohio and Oregon between Jan and Oct 1868 ).

ratification of an amendment requiring 75% approval of the various states, it is then clear that the 14th Amendment is invalid law, on it's face. ( 37 total states, 14 of whom refused ratification without duress, 3 of whom rescinded ratification, meaning that 'valid' ratifications only occurred in 20 of 37 states, this 54% approval falling far, FAR short of the required 75% )

as i noted a long time ago, the Supreme Court at this time was staffed almost entirely by WASP men.

and the citizenry permitted this to happen.

so the US had burnt it's own Constitutional precepts down by 1870, when it was still Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

the Republic did not last even 100 years.

Blogger David April 21, 2015 10:33 AM  

Cops, prosecutors, judges & jailers all work for the same team, and YOU'RE not on it.

You do, however, fund it.

Now that the madness of Peak Politics (and its Peak Spending, with the endstage being a the biggest shopping spree on credit in history) has about hit apogee, we're finally seeing that the coercive sphere of society, the state, is a single criminal organization and the cops are first-and-foremost its enforcers.

People are "shocked, shocked" to open their eyes and see reality.

Blogger scipio afircanus April 21, 2015 10:35 AM  

We cant be a republic at home and an empire abroad. This shit would never happen without the empire. The wars for the empire like invading Iraq and the blowback to it like 911 condition people to behave like sheep and take this crap.

Blogger David April 21, 2015 10:37 AM  

The system of government for which the American Revolution was fought lasted until 1787. The seeds of a monolithic central government were planted then, awaiting Lincoln's shrewd political acumen to leverage the public shame of chattel slavery into the nascent Progressive Era's universal political slavery.

The misnamed Federalists (actually, the centralizers) won. Political plunderers are always better organized than their intended victims.

Blogger Ghost April 21, 2015 10:42 AM  

Not All Police Are Like That. I'm sure now that this is hitting the press, we definitely won't see a bunch of "you won't believe it when this cop acts like a decent human being!" stories over at The Blaze. "Look, they shoot hoops with vibrant youths! Hey look, this one bought a car seat for a poor single mom! This one adopted a puppy!"

Hey look. All of them just violated the constitution. Scott Walker should call in the national guard and disband every unit involved, disbar every prosecutor and judge who signed off, and salt the earth behind them.

Blogger David April 21, 2015 10:44 AM  

America has had several revolutions:
England to Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation to Constitution of 1787
Pre-Lincoln to Post-Lincoln. (States become vassals of National Gov.)
Post-Lincoln to 1913 (direct election of senators, Federal Reserve, Income Tax).
1913 to FDR (Revolutionary Rise in Power of Washington DC)
FDR to LBJ (Grand rise of the American Empire, CIA becomes Govt within Govt)
LBJ to Nixon (Great Society Welfare/Warfare state)
Nixon to now. (Era of debt, larger than any antecedent)

Anonymous zen0 April 21, 2015 10:48 AM  

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More Americans support gun ownership over gun control

For most of the 1990s and the subsequent decade, a substantial majority of Americans believed it was more important to control gun ownership than to protect gun owners’ rights. But in December 2014, the balance of opinion flipped: For the first time, more Americans say that protecting gun rights is more important than controlling gun ownership, 52% to 46%.

Anonymous TinyPP April 21, 2015 10:56 AM  

"Our subjugation is at hand. And your skill at first person shooter games will not save you."

That's were knowing how to recognize edible/poisonous plants come in. You officers look thirsty have some Kool Aid. Opps they took that bottle we leave on the table when we go on vacation.

Anonymous Susan April 21, 2015 11:02 AM  

The unions will never forgive Walker for being able to survive their multiple campaigns to boot him from office, nor will they forgive the voters who stood by him. They got used to running the state their way, and just can't handle that there is a new sheriff in town who understands reality.

So that prosecutor was basing this whole operation on the fact that his wife's union shop steward feelings were in a total tizzy because conservatives are standing up to them? Liberals just can't handle not getting their way.

Will be interesting to see how Walker handles this. If he ignores it, this should give us indications on how he will deal with any real problems if he gets elected.

Anonymous Will Best April 21, 2015 11:04 AM  

This made me livid. I printed out 20 copies of the NR article and left them on the train today. I have never done that before. I also asked my wife to link it on fb (I don't have an account). I have never done that before either.

I will be looking for some legal defense fund to donate to in the next couple days as well (I do do that relatively regularly).

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 11:04 AM  

"also amusing to note that three of the northern states voted to ratify the 14th, then noticed what a reprehensible law it was and voted to rescind the ratification"

What's your objection to the 14th amendment? Like everything else, leftists have twisted its words to their own preferred meaning, but I've never seen a problem with the text of the 14th itself.

Blogger bob k. mando April 21, 2015 11:09 AM  

what's really strange is the pedagogy, post 1870.

the pre-1800 Founders are lionized for their wisdom, forethought and greatness ... even as the public schools acculturate the children to the violation of all those principles which the Founders espoused.

i'll also note that all LIMITS ON THE STATES by the Constitution are every bit as anti-Republican as every limit placed on the people, as per the 10th Amendment.

so, there is the reason why the 10th Amendment is so ignored ... because any honest investigation of it's meaning instantly reveals that all of these Federal .gov acts have been in flagrant violation of it.

and that these actions were carried out by a party which had ditched the name 'Whig' in favor of the name ... Republican.

happenstance? a joke? evil rubbing your face in the shit it's making you eat?

you decide.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 11:14 AM  

I was eating lunch with my 3 children on Sunday. I had been working all morning at the ranch and looked pretty rough. A steroid ridden cop was sitting 10 feet from us. He stared me down the whole time. I went to the restroom and walked by them and said good morning. He just stared at me and his wimpy partner muttered something unintelligible as he seemed to be intimidated by the muscle head. Even my kids commented on him staring at me.

Twenty years ago we could have had a nice conversation.

If they stare me down I walk over to them and address them and really make them uncomfortable.

The slave class should not speak to the attack dogs of the masters at present.

Blogger David April 21, 2015 11:15 AM  

All this is just another illustration that Sallust was correct 2000 years ago:
"Most men do not desire liberty; most only wish for a just master."

We get the "government" we deserve, and (agreeing with Mencken) we deserve to get it good and hard.

Blogger bob k. mando April 21, 2015 11:16 AM  

Noah B April 21, 2015 11:04 AM
What's your objection to the 14th amendment?



as i said yesterday, and as i repeated today, this .gov was founded on the principle that THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TO BE RESTRAINED.

every, EVERY Federal law which LIMITS THE PEOPLE is a direct violation and inversion of that principle. because the Federal .gov does not have the Constitutional authority to do so and CANNOT DO SO without using un-Constitutional force against the People.

it has, however, seized that authority.

you could actually implement the 14th Amendment and have it comply with Republican precepts: the law would constrain the Federal .gov AND ONLY THE FEDERAL .GOV to behave in a color blind manner.

it's where the Federal .gov seizes the authority to ram this law down the throats of the citizenry and the States that this all goes awry.

the 18th Amendment ( Prohibition ) never could be 'lawfully' implemented because it never was anything other than a direct attack by the Feds against the People.

Blogger David April 21, 2015 11:20 AM  

Few people realize just how Hard Left is WI's political system. The nexus between the state capital and Hard Left UW-Madison is exemplified by the contribution from that state and school of Donna Shalala to Bill Clinton's cabinet.

Shalala's introduction of overt speech codes for U Mad makes her a Poster Child for Hard Left Stalinism in Wisconsin.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 11:21 AM  

Porn is not freedom. Junk food is not freedom. I-phones are not freedom. Obamacare is not freedom. Sex in the streets is not freedom. Scantily clad women is not freedom. Deserting your family and responsibilities is not freedom. I-phones and the internet are not freedom. Abortion is not freedom. Gaming is not freedom.

They are substitutes for real freedom and liberty, accepted readily by the drug addled, mind numbed, youth and baby boomers to believe they are free.

Asserting and exercising your Constitutional rights is freedom. And if you get tazed or shot in that endeavor, so be it.



Blogger Salt April 21, 2015 11:23 AM  

What's your objection to the 14th amendment? Like everything else, leftists have twisted its words to their own preferred meaning, but I've never seen a problem with the text of the 14th itself.

The 14th installed an overlay, making one both a citizen of the State in which they reside and a Citizen of The United States of America. The 14th established the One Nation, the confederacy of sovereign states subsumed within it. The seperate states were Federalized.

In 1868, iirc, North Carolina was (re)admitted to the Union, its Constitution forever declaring fealty to the Federal Government. The 14th was a hoodwink perpetuated on the northern states.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 11:28 AM  

Just wondering...what would happen if someone set up an explosive device set up with a cell phone trigger in a vacant home and then called the police, telling them that there was an arsenal of dangerous weapons there, and then triggered the device once the SWAT were all inside?

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 11:28 AM  


Dammit, Timmy went and said something sane that I agree with. Worlds are colliding.


And he keeps doing it. Strange things are afoot at the Circle K today...

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 11:34 AM  

Just wondering...what would happen if someone set up an explosive device set up with a cell phone trigger in a vacant home and then called the police, telling them that there was an arsenal of dangerous weapons there, and then triggered the device once the SWAT were all inside?

Tactics would be changed to allow the police to preemptively destroy any such home without even attempting entry. I'm sure some surplus mortars can be obtained or even some tracked artillery. After all, if the FBI's Hostage Roasting Team can kill hostages with impunity in order to "get" the hostage takers, why should local cops be exposed to potential danger. Much safer and simpler to blast or burn it down. QED.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 11:37 AM  

Titus, that doesn't belong here or anywhere for that matter. Makes me wonder who you really are?

Peaceful non-compliance is all that is needed in the pursuit of asserting our God given eternal rights.

Blogger Michael Maier April 21, 2015 11:40 AM  

SB posted this to Twitter and I am pissed. And (for once) I don't necessarily blame the pigs here. They don't have to know why warrants are written or their political purpose, do they?

We are really past the point where working in the system can work on these bastards.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 21, 2015 11:45 AM  

"Peaceful non-compliance is all that is needed in the pursuit of asserting our God given eternal rights. "

Gandhi would have been raped if the Chinese took over India instead of the British. You can only deal with people in 2 ways reason & force. Even I know that Eric "race card" Holder wet himself and pulled his troops from the Bundy ranch 4 hours after an open letter was resent to him entitled "NO MORE FREE WACOS"

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 11:49 AM  

You get a speeding ticket. Request a jury trial. You are issued a loose dog violation. Request a jury trial. You are issued a disturbing the peace violation. Request a jury trial. You are pulled over. Do nothing but that which is required, assert your fifth amendment, and film it. You see a cop staring you down, go over to him and address him. Any violation of any kind, request a jury trial, seat a jury, and have a trial. Stretch the trial out as long as possible. I had a loose dog violation trial that lasted a day and a half. I seated a 6 person jury. I acted as my own attorney. I crossed the cops and animal control. I called them liars in court. I made witnesses cry. The judge threatened me with contempt. The prosecutor lost her cool and looked ridiculous. The jury found me guilty and issued a $48 fine (as I recall). The jury also apologized to me and said "you were guilty though". I said yes and God bless you. I had the potential jurors in voir dire laughing and giving me the thumbs up. It was a circus. I loved it. After the trial I went right into the middle of all the cops and animal control, prosecutions witnesses, etc. and struck up an conversation. The cops wanted to kill me.

Blogger FALPhil April 21, 2015 11:52 AM  

The cops wanted to kill me.
Be careful. They might just do it.

Anonymous Porky April 21, 2015 11:54 AM  

Is everyone else as shocked as I am about Miley Cyrus' hairy armpit photo?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 11:54 AM  

Titus, that doesn't belong here or anywhere for that matter. Makes me wonder who you really are?

Keep in mind that I wasn't *advocating* this, but asking a hypothetical question. In fact, I ask because I am considering using the idea in a book I am thinking of writing, where it is used by black separatists specifically so it will elicit the sort of overbearing, heavy-handed type of response that Stilicho mentioned, further eroding white trust in the police, and hastening the collapse of civil society.

Peaceful non-compliance is all that is needed in the pursuit of asserting our God given eternal rights.

What an utterly insipid comment.

Whenever I hear people like you say things like that, I think of that Alt-Hist short story I read uears ago where the Germans beat the Brits in WWII and took over in India. Initially Gandhi and the Indian nationalists welcome them because they aren't the British. then they find out that the Germans are just as oppressive, so Gandhi organises more peaceful protests and sit-ins. Only to then be gunned down by the Germans.

Blogger David April 21, 2015 11:56 AM  

Abandonment of Statism as a faith is what terrifies statists (left & right) to the core. The family and any religion not allied with the state constitute competition and are therefore under siege. What we witness today are the earliest signs that statism is finally in retreat. Anti-anti-racism and increasing approval of private gun ownership are evidence that the organization of society via political means is past apogee.

Peaceful non-compliance isn't quite sufficient. No political paradigm can exist if serving it is seen as beneath contempt. No police organizations can exist without people to staff them, and none will muster for duty if their wives, parents and neighbors consider doing so disgusting and vile.

This is the message of "The Politics of Obedience." This is why it is axiomatic that all political systems, from benign to absolutely tyrannical, exist only with a necessary degree of consent.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 21, 2015 11:56 AM  

"You get a speeding ticket. Request a jury trial. You are issued a loose dog violation"

If you work a weekend option or nights you can do that but otherwise productive people cant take off that much time.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 11:59 AM  

Gandhi would have been raped if the Chinese took over India instead of the British. You can only deal with people in 2 ways reason & force. Even I know that Eric "race card" Holder wet himself and pulled his troops from the Bundy ranch 4 hours after an open letter was resent to him entitled "NO MORE FREE WACOS"

Exactly.

Look, nobody sane wants a civil war or the collapse of civil society. Nobody. But the fact remains that the only two options are fast becoming "fight back" or "be a slave." The Left is busy shutting down every avenue of peaceful recourse, and they are doing so purposefully so that they can establish a fascist state. The time will come that when Tiny Tim tries his little jury trial trick for a speeding ticket, an administrative court will simply throw his butt in the gulag (or FEMA camp) for five years of reeducation.

Anonymous Hermione April 21, 2015 12:00 PM  

The following video gets more and more relevant as time goes on; I occasionally post it as a comment on Facebook in response to various posts on government overreach - the most valuable part of it being that everything that is happening is our own fault, because we allow it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKvvOFIHs4k

Blogger David April 21, 2015 12:02 PM  

Titus, your counterfactual in India informs me that you under-appreciate the insights of Creveld and Lind, specifically the utter indispensability of the moral component.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 12:02 PM  

Titus, you tell me that if 50,000,000 Americans went to the streets and refused to cooperate any longer this wouldn't end tomorrow?

Go ahead, tell me I am wrong.

I am not talking about unarmed Indians. I am talking about Americans who by all indicators have a few guns at the house and by all accounts many are carrying. No violence.

You think blowing up a house with cops inside which gets the sympathy of 80% of Americans would do anything to help the cause of freedom? Have you heard of Oklahoma City? Twin Towers?

Now if foreign troops ever assist with national law enforcement, that is a different story. Or if there is wholesale rounding up of citizens, disappearing, raping and murdering by troops, then that is a whole other animal and would require a different response.

Anonymous dh April 21, 2015 12:03 PM  

Tiny Tim--

That's the way mate. I've also have the same policy. Everything gets fought to the maximum extent o the law. I was "this close" to making a turnpike authority hand over source code to their automated toll collection system before they gave up. I really wanted to take a look and see what was under the hood.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 12:05 PM  

BigGaySteve: You can do it. It is just what are your priorities. If you aren't willing to do without a little something to protect your rights, then you don't deserve to keep them.

Your cable, phone and internet are more important than your rights and the rights of your prodigy.

I had to go to the courthouse 4 times before they had my trial. I missed work and didn't get paid for my time off. I did without. It was well, well worth it.

Anonymous dh April 21, 2015 12:06 PM  

If you work a weekend option or nights you can do that but otherwise productive people cant take off that much time.

Use vacation time, or sick time. Make time. That is the #1 tool of prosecutors to rail road nice people into pleading guilty. Waste their time, not yours.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 12:08 PM  

dh, fight on brother. As you know the laziness and incompetence of government workers can always be counted on as a staunch ally in the fight against the system.

As G. Gordon Liddy said, one of the most effective tools in the fight against the government is to turn the system and it's processes back on itself.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 12:09 PM  

Now if foreign troops ever assist with national law enforcement, that is a different story. Or if there is wholesale rounding up of citizens, disappearing, raping and murdering by troops, then that is a whole other animal and would require a different response.

That's the point that I'm talking about. Again - because you apparently can't read - I did not advocate "blowing up a house full of cops." I actually asked the question to elicit responses as to what others thought the response would be, and if my own thoughts on the subject were on the right track. As it turns out, Stilicho's response was pretty much exactly my thoughts on the subject.

But again, it was a hypothetical question about a pending piece of literature. Not a call to action. IIRC, one of the rules here is that you should actually read what somebody else said and respond accordingly. You apparently didn't do this - so either start doing so or else shut up.

The fact remains, however, that if the trajectory continues the way it is, we WILL be seeing foreign troops going door to door to take our guns and round us up for FEMA camps. This is, in fact, the case because FedGov will not be able to find enough Americans in the military and police to do it for them without the foreign mercs. When you tell Ali Akbar the Libyan ISIS merc that you want a jury trial, he'll laugh and shoot you in the gut and let you bleed out on your doorstep.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 12:11 PM  

"Titus, you tell me that if 50,000,000 Americans went to the streets and refused to cooperate any longer this wouldn't end tomorrow?"

The sad thing is, it wouldn't take anywhere near that many.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 12:11 PM  

Titus, your counterfactual in India informs me that you under-appreciate the insights of Creveld and Lind, specifically the utter indispensability of the moral component.

Not under-appreciate - I simply understand that there are limits to which relying on the moral component alone can be pushed. Part of the moral component is that the government NEEDS the support of the people, or at least a large portion of them. When the people are unarmed - as the Indians were - there is less need for their support, and more for their simple compliance.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 12:12 PM  

"When you tell Ali Akbar the Libyan ISIS merc that you want a jury trial, he'll laugh and shoot you in the gut and let you bleed out on your doorstep."

More likely, Ali Akbar the Libyan ISIS merc will be wearing a US military uniform.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 12:14 PM  

Titus, you tell me that if 50,000,000 Americans went to the streets and refused to cooperate any longer this wouldn't end tomorrow?

Go ahead, tell me I am wrong.


I won't - but the problem is that we're fast being pushed to the point where waking up that many is going to take longer than it will for the FedGov to start rounding troublemakers up.

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 12:15 PM  

Titus, your counterfactual in India informs me that you under-appreciate the insights of Creveld and Lind, specifically the utter indispensability of the moral component.

It's a classic alt-history short story. More to the point, proponents of 4GW have a large blind spot with respect to the use of brute force, namely the presumption that because most modern gov'ts are reluctant to use the level of violence necessary to destroy such movements, such suppression would not work. The effectiveness of 4GW will hasten a return to 0GW. Any belief otherwise is ultimately a belief in gov't benevolence.

Where 4GW will continue to be effective is in those situations where a gov't is constrained by its enemies' alliances with outside powers that can support them and effectively block a 0GW solution.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 12:15 PM  

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Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 12:17 PM  

@Titus

It would probably also become SOP to disrupt communications and electric service in such situations, much like they eventually started doing in Iraq.

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 12:17 PM  

More likely, Ali Akbar the Libyan ISIS merc will be wearing a US military uniform.

Not if Ali has to wear Little red shoes

Blogger Chris Mallory April 21, 2015 12:17 PM  

" The Left is busy shutting down every avenue of peaceful recourse, and they are doing so purposefully so that they can establish a fascist state."

The "approved" Right is doing all it can to help. They want the power just as much as the Lefties do.

"Or if there is wholesale rounding up of citizens, disappearing, raping and murdering by troops,"

All of these are happening now.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 12:18 PM  

I would probably also become SOP to disrupt communications and electric service in such situations, much like they eventually started doing in Iraq.

Ah, cell-blocking. Good thought, I hadn't thought about that. Thanks!

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 12:19 PM  

"Not if Ali has to wear Little red shoes"

The only way to respond to this is to report it as sexual harassment.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 12:21 PM  

The "approved" Right is doing all it can to help. They want the power just as much as the Lefties do.

I consider them to be Lefties as well. A fascist is a fascist is a fascist, when it's all boiled down, right?

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 12:22 PM  

Ah, cell-blocking. Good thought, I hadn't thought about that. Thanks!

Your cell phone is just a short range radio and can be interchanged with one or adapted for this eventuality.

Blogger Josh April 21, 2015 12:24 PM  

Maier,

Fortunately for her family, the police didn’t taunt her or her children. Some of them seemed embarrassed by what they were doing. At the end of the ordeal, one officer looked at the family, still confined to one room, and said, “Some days, I hate my job.”

Looks like the pigs knew exactly what they were doing.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 12:27 PM  

I don't know how well it actually worked in the field, but theoretically it's possible to not just jam but cancel out pretty much the entire RF spectrum in a small area. Best way around this would be either something hard wired or a highly directional transmission.

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 12:29 PM  

the police didn’t taunt her or her children

That makes it all better.

I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm...oh wait...nevermind.

Anonymous p-dawg April 21, 2015 12:30 PM  

swiftfoxmark2: I believe the term you are looking for is "The War of Northern Aggression" or the WoNA for short.

@tiny tim: "Peaceful non-compliance is all that is needed in the pursuit of asserting our God given eternal rights."

Oh, really? Then why didn't the Messiah believe you? "But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Why didn't Samson prevail through non-violent non-compliance? Why didn't Joshua? Were the Caananites subdued through hunger strikes? The problem with your philosophy is that it allows the wicked to prosper at your expense. Do you really believe that a strategy given by the Creator would cause evil to flourish?

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 21, 2015 12:32 PM  

"I won't - but the problem is that we're fast being pushed to the point where waking up that many is going to take longer than it will for the FedGov to start rounding troublemakers up."

It took the entire state of CA's LEOs & national guard over a week to find a single black Chris Dorner who shot up a bunch of people including a judges family, using every resource available. The funny part was leftists still wanted an investigation into if he was fired for racism by his Mexican supervisor instead of bad behavior. Look at how long it took for them to find the PA guy who shot a state trooper that hurt his sister.
Now imagine they have to round up more than one person per state & they run the risk of a gay in a sensitive position like Bradley Manning remembering the oath to the constitution.

What did they seriously think they could find a server like HilLIARy has? They couldn't search many leftists homes without finding drugs in plain view.

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 12:32 PM  

I don't know how well it actually worked in the field, but theoretically it's possible to not just jam but cancel out pretty much the entire RF spectrum in a small area.

With jamming, you run the risk of detonating the device yourself. Of course, in Titus' fictional scenario, physical triggers work as well. As would a hard-wired device in the storm sewers under the street in front of the house, etc.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 21, 2015 12:37 PM  

Now if foreign troops ever assist with national law enforcement, that is a different story.

They don't actually have to be foreign. They just have to be clearly not on the same side as the average citizen, and things like this move the needle in that direction. It's not there yet, at least not publically, but that's where it's headed and these sort of things behave in a non-linear manner.

Anonymous BGS April 21, 2015 12:40 PM  

"I consider them to be Lefties as well. A fascist is a fascist is a fascist, when it's all boiled down, right?"

The desire to have govt intrude upon my bedroom is the same as having the govt intrude upon my wallet, kitchen, laundry room, bath room, garage (in San Fran cant have anything but cars in it), garden, back yard, front yard & internet.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 21, 2015 12:42 PM  

proponents of 4GW have a large blind spot with respect to the use of brute force,

Possibly many do, but the real nature of 4GW strategy is to make the use of brute force disadvantageous to the enemy. That their use of brute force destroys their own morale and enhances yours.

Remember that force requires will, and 4GW is about destroying the enemy's will.

A couple bombs like Titus hypothesized would probably result in a lot of retired LEOs, probably out on disability and sapping the coffers.

Anonymous sawtooth April 21, 2015 12:48 PM  

Republicans make a fetish out of obeying rules and laws.
No matter what those laws or how immoral they may be, the Repub will obey it without question; because......IT'S THE LAW!

They ludicrously proclaim; "If you don't think a particular law is fair or just, work to change it, just don't break that or any other law".

Contemptible, worthless Repubs would probably be offering assistance to badge wearing thugs. ("Perhaps a glass of cold water for you efforts, officer?").

Blogger Josh April 21, 2015 12:55 PM  

Tiny Tim,

Excellent job with the trial.

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 12:59 PM  

Remember that force requires will, and 4GW is about destroying the enemy's will.

And 0GW is about destroying the enemy. That's why you've never heard about the successful Carthaginian insurgency in Rome's North African provinces. That's why you know about the Jewish diaspora and people talk about a Third Temple.

Anonymous p-dawg April 21, 2015 1:01 PM  

@sawtooth: "A little to the left, officer. That's it. Now harder, please!"

Blogger scipio afircanus April 21, 2015 1:05 PM  

"A couple bombs like Titus hypothesized would probably result in a lot of retired LEOs, probably out on disability and sapping the coffers." - Jack Amok

The State would respond with help by the media to institute a massive clamp down on our rights. They would probably use it as an excuse to ban the sale of most nitrogen fertilizers to the general public, and eliminate the sale of all ammunition reloading components.

Anonymous cheddarman April 21, 2015 1:09 PM  

Big Gay Steve,

About those red shoes Stilicho mentioned, could you organize a "color me beautiful" color consultation for the dread ilk? I am concerned that may have to walk a mile in high heels to increase my awareness of rape culture and female oppression. Red is simply not my best color, as I am a fair skinned Irish/Scottish/German American.

Sincerely

Cheddarman

Anonymous Cheddarman April 21, 2015 1:12 PM  

(continued from above) If we have to wear high heels, at least we should look our best in them.

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 1:15 PM  

Heh. Will The Big Red One be reformed as The Big Red Pump?

Blogger Chris Mallory April 21, 2015 1:23 PM  

I can see 4GW working against a Western army/culture. But against the Chinese, NORKs or 1930's Japan it wouldn't seem to be effective.

Blogger CM April 21, 2015 1:25 PM  

If you work a weekend option or nights you can do that but otherwise productive people cant take off that much time.

Then you are denying yourself a constitutional right to trial by jury.

It is a part of the puzzle... enslave people to their convenience and what they think they can win, and you get cheaper (and more lucrative) resolutions to law breaking and more willingness to pass idiotic laws that only an overburdened jury system would find superfluous and ridiculous. Law makers see $$ accrued from fines. Not heaps of court costs because that $50k prosecutor and $100k judge are tied up in loose dog fines, not to mention the overhead of bailiffs, clerks, and jury selection.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 1:26 PM  

"Heh. Will The Big Red One be reformed as The Big Red Pump?"

That's one way to go. Or this.

Anonymous Difster April 21, 2015 1:29 PM  

Record every encounter you have with the police.
Never EVER consent to a search.
Never answer their question.
Never let them in your home without a warrant.

Treat them like the enemy because they are.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus April 21, 2015 1:39 PM  

@ Noah

"theoretically it's possible to not just jam but cancel out pretty much the entire RF spectrum in a small area."

Very true, and not all that difficult to do. Things like DSSS (Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum) transmitters can help, but its not that difficult to saturate receivers in a given area with enough RF energy to de-sense the front-ends of the radios.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 1:42 PM  

Like Stilicho said the drawback with that is that you could accidentally detonate a device that way... but some may not consider that a drawback at all.

Anonymous Cash April 21, 2015 1:44 PM  

I read the comment section to see Laguna Beach Fogey's comments. Call me disappointed.

But Tiny Tim is a good substitute.

Anonymous p-dawg April 21, 2015 1:46 PM  

@Beefy: You mean like this? Image link

Anonymous Cash April 21, 2015 1:47 PM  

Cops are pussies. Never forget that. They are like the big bully who nobody has ever challenged..... if you knock him quick enough hard enough he won't know how to react.

Anonymous p-dawg April 21, 2015 1:55 PM  

Ah. Now I see why my comment didn't show up in the thread below this one. It decided to appear in this thread instead...

Anonymous Stilicho April 21, 2015 2:05 PM  

That's one way to go. Or this.

Well, John Philip Sousa it ain't, but I suppose the could sashay to it in lieu of marching...

Italy had the Red Brigades, we have the Red Stiletto Brigades...

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 2:10 PM  

Another farcical prosecution -- US CFTC Charges U.K. Resident Navinder Singh Sarao and His Company Nav Sarao Futures Limited PLC with Price Manipulation and Spoofing, i.e. for causing the 2010 "flash crash."

The guy had about $50 million in assets.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 2:31 PM  

Titus said: "That's the point that I'm talking about. Again - because you apparently can't read - I did not advocate "blowing up a house full of cops." I actually asked the question to elicit responses as to what others thought the response would be, and if my own thoughts on the subject were on the right track. As it turns out, Stilicho's response was pretty much exactly my thoughts on the subject."

But again, it was a hypothetical question about a pending piece of literature. Not a call to action. IIRC, one of the rules here is that you should actually read what somebody else said and respond accordingly. You apparently didn't do this - so either start doing so or else shut up. "

Your mind games don't work on me. Obviously what you state above was not implicit in your response so quit your foolishness. Basically you posed blowing up cops for whatever reason (as none is stated) so it can be construed and/or used in any manner anyone would so choose.

Either you are naïve or did it on purpose. Only you know the reason for the posting as none was stated.

"Hey, what if an Andean Condor was captured and loaded with high explosives and trained to fly down Al Gores Chimney? Just wondering..."

Blogger Student in Blue April 21, 2015 2:45 PM  

Tiny Tim, you've got bravado. That's probably the nicest thing I can say about you.

Blogger Jourdan April 21, 2015 3:13 PM  

Oregon attorney here, and I completely agree with Tiny Tim, especially if the police are acting as revenue-raisers by focusing on, for example, middle class people commuting to work 10 mph over the speed limit while doing next to nothing about gang violence or other violent crime.

This is *important*, please pay attention:

The liberal revolution's impact on criminal procedure is so absurd that it has widened the *minimum* procedure that qualifies as due process to the point where if every defendant insisted on it, the routine administration of justice is simply physically not possible. The criminal justice system, which includes, in a way, the infraction/violation process, relies exclusively on waivers of rights from defendants to function.

So...use the leftwing revolution against them: DON'T WAIVE ANY RIGHTS WHATSOEVER AND INSIST ON THE MAXIMUM, INCLUDING A JURY TRIAL.

At the bare minimum, you will cost the state 10x what they collect from you and they will avoid you like the plague in the future.

We are in a new era. I remember Michael Harrington telling me that irrational cop hatred is the anti-Semitism of the left, and in his era that was true. However, today the situation is different. The state is a behemoth, out of control. Don't co-operate with it unless absolutely necessary.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 21, 2015 3:17 PM  

It would help to solve problems like this if much of the Right didn't soil themselves at the idea of collective action for collective goals.

Heck against enemies like we are facing, a little dirty fighting and even collective punishment within the law would not be amiss. And yeah I know everyone is terrified of turning into a tyrant or violating the Constitution or some dead writ such but really, there are plenty of things within the law we simply don't do because of overly high minded Libertarian bullshit

This isn't directed at anyone here but there are times i just want to shake the Right wing or whatever passes for it and yell "Just because you work together against a domestic enemy or to change society to a healthy model doesn't mean make you a commie or turn you into Franco or something.

I wish , the Right would understand it can agree on work together and act together to common goals without morphing into rabbits or throwing away what we all stand for.

Witness the effects of the various Puppies for what can be done and multiply it. It won't take nearly as long to get the society we want as it did for the idiots to undo it.

Blogger Shimshon April 21, 2015 3:33 PM  

"So...use the leftwing revolution against them: DON'T WAIVE ANY RIGHTS WHATSOEVER AND INSIST ON THE MAXIMUM, INCLUDING A JURY TRIAL."

Something like 95% of all cases are plea bargained, IIRC. Further, aren't even traffic tickets subject to jury trials if the defendant so wishes? Certainly all misdemeanor offenses are.

This is black knighting of the highest order and would literally bring the entire corrupt "justice" system to its knees in zero seconds flat were even a small portion of the 95% to exercise their right.

Some sort of legal defense fund offering legal services for anyone opting for jury trials, along with a strategy of delay, delay, delay, would do wonders. You don't even the best lawyers. Just ones who are good at delay tactics.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 21, 2015 3:41 PM  

Jourdan,re: your suggestion to "use the leftwing revolution against them: DON'T WAIVE ANY RIGHTS WHATSOEVER AND INSIST ON THE MAXIMUM, INCLUDING A JURY TRIAL."

If you can find a copy of it, you might want to read James Mills "One Just Man" . It covers similar ground and is a good read. Its not a happy one though.

Blogger Shimshon April 21, 2015 3:41 PM  

Further to this idea, if national is too ambitious, start with a single state, or even just a single jurisdiction with a reputation for prosecutorial overreach and dial up the jury trial choosers to 11. If it works, it would almost certainly get lots of notice and press. Then expand from there.

Anonymous Curtis April 21, 2015 3:44 PM  

Re: Lysander Spooner

When asked what kind of government we had, Benjamin Franklin replied: A republic, if you can keep it.

There is not a piece of paper with written words on it anywhere on this planet that is self-enforcing. The spirit and letter of the constitution is dead, because men did not/do not see fit to keep it. And because men with guns who did not/do not see fit to keep it. Thomas Jefferson gave us the correct answer to keeping our liberty, but, you know, it's scary, and it's better to live under subjugation, than taking a chance you might get killed. In which case, you might get killed anyways. Or, get home invaded and abused just because by your masters. Of course, the big buss word going around these days in the liberty sphere is nullification. But no one wants to do what it takes to back up that nullification. So, here we are. Imagine where we will be.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 3:49 PM  

It comes down to this, is your goal revenge or is it victory? Is your goal to lash out or to wear down and defeat? Are you running a sprint or a marathon?

What is your goal? To prove a point, to get revenge, to pay someone back, win one battle at the expense of all or to be patient and defeat the enemy once and for all?

The enemy knows to bait us into bright flashes of anger so we look like the bad guys and they look like the white knights once again. And if we can't be baited then they commit their own crimes, lay blame, and take more rights from the people.

If at some point it is life and death then each and every man will need to make his own decisions and live with them at that point. But right now the answer is collective union of like minded folk who will not cooperate with an evil and corrupt system. And if you find yourself in the system then bog it down to the point it can't function.

I find that if you give the apparatchik's just a little more work to do then they would normally have to do they will regret bothering you and lose interest rapidly and just want you gone. I have had them beg me, I mean literally beg me to cooperate. People (prosecutors) have been demoted and some lost jobs over me (with the cooperation of an evil neighbor).

If someone bothers you, make it painful, don't ever let it be easy. For every hour of work or inconvenience they give you give them three hours of work back. For every dollar of yours in jeopardy make them spend $10. It won't take long until they are begging you for relief.

Also, I cannot leave out that I always hand it over to God. In a fence case that is all I did (with a little courtroom drama) and the prosecution and civil suit collapsed before my very eyes. Adverse possession in Texas is rock solid. They all wanted me to fold early, fined me $3,000 a day per violation for a year (as I recall), cops and city officials paid me visits, took me to trial, lost twice, and the fence, the shed, and the rabbit pen remain on city property to this day. God is good!

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 3:56 PM  

Correction: $1,000 per day per violation, three violations per day, which totaled over $700,000 at one point. When they reminded me of that during their visits I always held up the zero sign and said you will get the same regardless of $3,000 or $1,000,000 per day, nothing. Then I would point to my American flag, quote the Constitution and summarily boot them off my property.

I always did this in my front yard with neighbors out on their porch watching. It was known as "the show" and I was known as "that trouble making guy". My kids loved it and it changed their lives. They bow to no man.

Fun times...

Anonymous Curtis April 21, 2015 3:58 PM  

Peaceful non-compliance is all that is needed in the pursuit of asserting our God given eternal rights.

Bwahahahahaaaaa!

http://www.histclo.com/imagef/date/2009/06/ivangrad42s.JPG

That is how peaceful non-compliance works out. Seriously, I can not believe you actually believe that, much less said it.

But, but, but, we'll just nullify!

Look! Men with guns telling you to stick your nullify up your ass!

Yep.

Why, why, if only Cindy had peacefully non-complied!

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 3:59 PM  

And for those who will accuse me of saying "look at me here", it is not that. I am just saying there is another way. This is what I have experienced and it works wonderfully. That is all.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 4:03 PM  

Curtis, I have employed peaceful non-compliance dozens of times and I have won every time (except the $48 dog fine which was still a win as it cost the city thousands to prosecute). City and county attorneys have been demoted and fired because of me. I have left a trail of havoc behind and really did nothing more than fail to cooperate.

You obviously are doing nothing and if I am wrong please share your victories with us here today on this blog.

Waiting...

Anonymous 11B April 21, 2015 4:04 PM  

Why did USA Today have to interject Putin into this story? Even Rush blabbed about Putin when he read this story on the radio today. Enough with this Putin is the evil bogeyman stuff.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 4:07 PM  

Your mind games don't work on me. Obviously what you state above was not implicit in your response so quit your foolishness. Basically you posed blowing up cops for whatever reason (as none is stated) so it can be construed and/or used in any manner anyone would so choose.

I understand that - very few things involving the mind probably work on you. As for the rest, it's just more gamma programma. Rabbit gonna rabbit.

Blogger David April 21, 2015 4:11 PM  

OT: I'm sure VD's Ilk will have a field day with this:
https://www.facebook.com/DSouzaDinesh/videos/vb.216709768355686/1112766665416654/?type=2&theater

I can't decide if it's some sort of propaganda piece, or if these guys are real.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 4:13 PM  

Share Titus. What have you done other than post nonsense?

Please correct my assertion. I would love to find out I am wrong about you and hear some stories of how you are on the front lines fighting for liberty.

Please tell me you aren't some pasty obese gamer in pajamas sitting at a computer.

Waiting...

Blogger Marissa April 21, 2015 4:16 PM  

They don't actually have to be foreign. They just have to be clearly not on the same side as the average citizen, and things like this move the needle in that direction.

Indeed, the English were not foreigners to the colonists of the New World. They might have seemed "separated" from the rebels, due to geography, but definitely not foreigners.

Anonymous CunningDove April 21, 2015 4:22 PM  

David April 21, 2015 4:11 PM
OT: I'm sure VD's Ilk will have a field day with this:
link
I can't decide if it's some sort of propaganda piece, or if these guys are real.


Yup. They are real. I've heard them speaking when I was living in NYC. Guy had a speaker & chairs set up in Times Square.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 4:22 PM  

Curtis, Titus... waiting on you to regale us with your tales of battles and victories against the New World Order and their apparatchiks.

Waiting...

Anonymous CunningDove April 21, 2015 4:23 PM  

David April 21, 2015 4:11 PM
OT: I'm sure VD's Ilk will have a field day with this:
link
I can't decide if it's some sort of propaganda piece, or if these guys are real.


Yup. They are real. I've heard them speaking when I was living in NYC. Guy had a speaker & chairs set up in Times Square.

Anonymous Curtis April 21, 2015 4:26 PM  

Tiny Tim

Yeah. That 1 ton rock on your head is really, really just a pebble.

So you say. City and county attorneys have been demoted and fired because of me. I have left a trail of havoc behind and really did nothing more than fail to cooperate.

A trail of havoc huh? All because you failed to cooperate huh? Yeah. Sure. Let's just assume you are not dazzling me with bullshit, at any time the State wants you, they will have you. And your "non-compliance" will not save you. Then what are you going to do? Non-comply?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 4:29 PM  

Please correct my assertion. I would love to find out I am wrong about you and hear some stories of how you are on the front lines fighting for liberty.

I climbed Mt. Everest and planted an American flag on it, just because I could.

I wrote Ronald Reagan's "Tear Down This Wall" speech, and then secretly travelled to Russia and kicked Gorbachev's butt while quoting it.

I defended ten thousand traffic tickets and got the entire city of Chicago's police force fired or demoted.

I defecated on Hillary Clinton's lawn, and then told her that James Carville did it.

I was the one who was able to sell Ron Paul on that whole "non-intervention" thing when he was dead set on becoming just another chickenhawk.

You know Rambo? They got the inspiration from me, when they saw me in action when dealing with the county dogcatcher.

I can ride a Harley and chew bubble gum at the same time, and not just on Saturdays.

I once played 82 straight days of Street Fighter - as Guile

Chuck Norris asks me for advice on dealing with rogue meter maids.

I have filmed and uploaded to YouTube over 230 hours of me driving through police breathalyzer checkpoints while asking the cops if I am being detained, or if I'm free to go.

I have played mind games with at least 5,000 keyboard warriors on the internet over the past year alone.

If that won't satisfy you, then nothing short of a trip to the Blue Oyster will.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 4:31 PM  

A trail of havoc huh? All because you failed to cooperate huh? Yeah. Sure. Let's just assume you are not dazzling me with bullshit, at any time the State wants you, they will have you. And your "non-compliance" will not save you. Then what are you going to do? Non-comply?

Now Curtis, cut him some slack. Tiny Tim is starting to turn into my hero. My. Hero. I mean, the guy beat a traffic ticket - he's the next gen-u-ine Chesty Puller, waiting for the Marines to discover him.

Anonymous DT April 21, 2015 4:32 PM  

Well $#*%...I woke up in a good mood.

I'm not sure what to say. Every person involved...including the cops who performed the felony home invasions*...need to spend the rest of their lives in prison. I'm guessing that's not going to happen. And if it doesn't...this might be one incident where a violent citizen response to the police and to the officials involved is warranted.

* And that's what they are because if the law or order is unconstitutional, every act taken wile enforcing it is unlawful as well.

Anonymous Curtis April 21, 2015 4:33 PM  

In fact Tiny Tim, since your non-compliance is stuff that makes cities and county attorneys tremble before you, surely there is a record. Unless of course cities and county attorneys are embarrassed by your sweeping victories for liberty and freedom, they hid it all from our prying eyes in fear that we will non-comply.

But, but, if only Cindy had non-complied, she would never had been SWAT'ed! That's the stuff of legends!

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 4:34 PM  

Curtis, you obviously have never experienced an entire staff at the City in full pack mentality mode attacking you every week for months on end going on several years and threatening you with financial ruin you would relate.

As far as the State can get me at any time I accept that premise but reject it as my God teaches me that "no plague will come nigh my dwelling". And if so then so be it. This life here is but a flash.

When Assistant City Managers are visiting you two at a time and you dress them down in front of all of your neighbors while flying the American flag and half of them call and apologize to you while the others want you destroyed, get back to me and we can commiserate.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 4:38 PM  

It seems to me that if a person believes that they have not committed any serious wrongdoing -- yet they find an armed assault team breaking into their home without identifying themselves and offering the chance for peaceful resolution -- they are totally within their rights to use all necessary force to defend themselves. The most logical assumption at that point is that the attackers are not officers of the law.

Blogger Tiny Tim April 21, 2015 4:38 PM  

Curtis, for you it really comes down to this:

Don: Hey, Napoleon. What did you do last summer again?

Napoleon Dynamite: I told you! I spent it with my uncle in Alaska hunting wolverines!

Don: Did you shoot any?

Napoleon Dynamite: Yes, like 50 of 'em! They kept trying to attack my cousins, what the heck would you do in a situation like that?

Don: What kind of gun did you use?

Napoleon Dynamite: A freakin' 12-gauge, what do you think?

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Cavalry April 21, 2015 4:40 PM  

Well Said

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 4:50 PM  

In fact Tiny Tim, since your non-compliance is stuff that makes cities and county attorneys tremble before you, surely there is a record. Unless of course cities and county attorneys are embarrassed by your sweeping victories for liberty and freedom, they hid it all from our prying eyes in fear that we will non-comply.

What's funny is that I have beat a ticket pretty much the way TT is outlining - I just have enough good sense to not go strumpeting around the intarwebz acting like it makes me a superhero.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 4:50 PM  

Tiny Tim - I can't believe that you watch worldly movies!

Anonymous Curtis April 21, 2015 4:53 PM  

Well Tiny, at least we now know that because of your "non-compliance", you are a free man no longer subject to the State and its enforcers.

Because damn-it! If you had been Cindy, you would have non-complied and the State would have been dazzled and gone home.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 4:56 PM  

Stilicho, Noah B - thanks for the comments. They had just the right balance of "what's available" without too much technobabble.

That's the goal I am trying to engineer into anything I write, fiction-wise: enough detail to be plausible, but not enough to bore the reader with extensive techno-talk. Maybe it's just my personal preference, but I find too much technical detail (i.e. a Clancy-wannabe describing the mathematics of the glide characteristics of a FAE) distracting and makes a narrative choppy and disinteresting.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 4:57 PM  

Because damn-it! If you had been Cindy, you would have non-complied and the State would have been dazzled and gone home.

Cindy should have threatened them with a jury trial.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 21, 2015 5:04 PM  

Noah B, the officers are exactly the target the rabbits want you to fight. Its R/K selection theory 101 stuff here, rabbits set one K selected person (the SWAT guy) on another K selected target (the political enemy) . The real root of the problem lies in the people giving orders, the institutions themselves and their supporters.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 5:08 PM  

"The real root of the problem lies in the people giving orders, the institutions themselves and their supporters."

I agree with this, but what the rabbits really want is submission. They are terrified at the idea of people actually fighting back.

Anonymous Curtis April 21, 2015 5:11 PM  

In other news: Arkansas sheriff's department with DHS deny family's civil rights and kidnap their 7 children over legal dietary supplements - http://bit.ly/1yOeQP3

If only they had peacefully resisted and non-complied!

We'll sue them and show them who is the boss of them! Yeah! That'll fix it!


Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 5:27 PM  

@A.B.

This is also why groups like Oathkeepers scare the living shit out of the rabbits. Every cop that can be convinced to uphold his oath to the Constitution is a cop that won't carry out these kinds of raids.

Anonymous BGS April 21, 2015 5:33 PM  

"The real root of the problem lies in the people giving orders, the institutions themselves and their supporters."

Don't deal with mosquitoes in the house until you deal with the guy holding the door open for them, they are easier targets anyway

Blogger Marissa April 21, 2015 5:36 PM  

rabbits set one K selected person (the SWAT guy)

I don't know, they do have an IQ ceiling for police department hires.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 21, 2015 5:37 PM  

Every cop that can be convinced to uphold his oath to the Constitution is a cop that won't carry out these kinds of raids.

And THIS is where the real battle against the police state currently needs to be,

Reach out to your local police and sheriff's departments. Engage them directly about the Constitution. Remind them that we (and by this, I largely mean the white middle class, though any who hold to our values can be included) are not their enemies.

If nothing else, when the time comes, the fascists may have to rely on mercs and foreigners instead of people in their own communities. And if that happens, then there will be a lot less legitimacy for their actions, and a lot more for those resisting them.

Blogger CM April 21, 2015 5:55 PM  

Why can't TT's method be a viable part of a multi-pronged strategy?

It seems to me that with the Hugo award crap and how Vox strategized it out, he set the board before taking his main venue of attack... while the entire strategy has the SJWs' noose of their own making suddenly around THEIR necks. It wasn't just putting together a Rabid Puppy slate. It wasn't just encouraging the ilk to sign up. There were other pieces in place before that slate went up and caused rabbits to go all crazy-eyed.

So... why not? Aren't the best attacks the ones that involve strategies that weakened your opponents from the inside, distracting them from the main point of attack, and then annihilating them with little blowback?

So why can't civil disobedience (which, I might add, when put down violently create irrational public sentiment to align with that particular cause) and using the over abundance of penal law against them be simply ONE PART of a whole strategy?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 21, 2015 6:02 PM  

Noah B, aye to both your posts. Its going to be a bit dicey for a while.

While the rabbits will spend a lot of time and effort trying to disrupt it as seen in the article above and in the Anonymous Conservative's recent articles on gang stalking of conservative activists .

Regardless its essential that we actually have specific goals and organize into small groups working with common goals to achieve them. Eventually as we learn to screen out infiltrators (that's a fave rabbit and intel trick) grow the groups. So instead of an 8 man group you have a hundred man one too pool resources all that stuff.

Western Rifle Shooters and Sipsey Street talk about this stuff all the time for militia reasons but alas they seem limited to "don't tread on me" which is not an ideology or belief system or a goal.

A better example of stuff that works. a non violent, legal one, the crowd funding of the restaurant shut down in Indiana is how collective action can work with people who hate working together on principled grounds

To my way of thinking there is far too much "leave me alone" and not enough "This is how you are going to act from her on in." from our side.

One sample idea we could push if we wanted too is "I wish to remove no fault divorce for married couples with children, alimony for couples without children when the wife is able bodied, make prenuptial agreements legally binding in almost all cases and set up systems that prevent gender bias on custody issues ." There are other things but that is a specific goal that may or may not be achievable.

And note before people say nothing can be done, gun laws prove you wrong. Not every state is in Constitutional compliance but almost all are and many allow carry openly.' We won a lot of fights in that direction . heck we've done quite well with the various Puppies Sad and Rabid too. The key is to have specific plausible goals

And note, yes I know the rabbits will get more violent and they can't think ahead of consequences

They key is not to address the rabbits , they can't learn and I like the anonymous conservative think they may not be human in many important senses (or we aren't given they outnumber us) that's fine. They are as they are.

We have to address the people who do their violence for them who can think ahead . if they understand if they certain things, there will be is no mercy, no forgiveness and no statue of limitations and anyone hiding what they do all of your and yours will be presumed guilty anyway and they will face a court of law and a jury of the wronged. One would hope they ones who believe in a God or heck Gods would be mindful of the almighty too but its not necessary.

I figure if , If people are willing to try a 93 old Auschwitz SS guard http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32392594 , we should be willing to do the same to people who have committed treason and violated the constitution by just following orders as well.

Frankly I think , maybe I just hope we might scrape through with some light casualties on our side if we fight and we have a good method to address some of the baseline issues the Left is actually correct on but I might be wrong , I still think its worth a go though.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 6:17 PM  

It's also fun to point out the Nuremberg Principle to these people. That is, the fact that you're merely following orders and what you're doing is considered lawful today doesn't mean that it will always be so. Police and prosecutors stealing property under unconstitutional asset forfeiture laws, meet my friend Mr. RICO.

Anonymous Curtis April 21, 2015 6:43 PM  

Noah B, are you, or have you even been a member of OK'ers? Maybe things have changed. But when I was an Ok'er, any military veteran who attempted to hold member cop Ok'ers accountable and show them were their way of thinking/excuses were wrong, and persisted, were summarily kicked out of Ok'ers. One particular post on Ok'ers. if it is even still there, was entitled "Damn 5-0" written by a cop, which created a firestorm amongst many military veterans. Maybe it is still on the OK'ers board?

Let me tell you something, when I was an OK'er, I watched cop after cop make excuses after excuses for the things they did. After all, the law, is the law. I also saw, myself included, many good veteran OK'ers get kicked out for standing up to cop members.

Blogger Noah B April 21, 2015 6:48 PM  

No I haven't been, Curtis. All I know is what I've read, which apparently doesn't count for much. I really hate to hear that.

Blogger luagha April 21, 2015 6:50 PM  

"Further, aren't even traffic tickets subject to jury trials.."

Most traffic tickets are 'infractions' not misdemeanors or felonies. Penalties are limited - ie, you can lose your license but driving isn't a right, etc etc. Only certain big traffic violations get to the misdemeanor level and can go to a jury trial. Otherwise you go to traffic court only.

That being said, there's an industry in lawyers specializing in traffic court who know the tricks and the evidence to check. It used to be that sometimes you could get off a ticket just because you'd get a lawyer and he'd call the cop who wrote the ticket to the stand to testify and if the cop couldn't show, nothing doing.

Nowadays, at least, if you hire a lawyer they shove you to the front of the line to get all the lawyer cases through with first.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 21, 2015 7:45 PM  

"Something like 95% of all cases are plea bargained, IIRC. Further, aren't even traffic tickets subject to jury trials if the defendant so wishes? Certainly all misdemeanor offenses are."

"Most traffic tickets are 'infractions' not misdemeanors or felonies. Penalties are limited - ie, you can lose your license but driving isn't a right, etc etc. Only certain big traffic violations get to the misdemeanor level and can go to a jury trial. Otherwise you go to traffic court only."


It depends on the state you live in. Kentucky has it written into law that the accused in any offense, including a $25 seat belt violation, has the right to a jury trial. Traffic offense are specifically mentioned being allowed a jury trial. They do have the seat belt law written so that if you plead guilty, you only have to pay the $25. If you force them to take you to trial, they will hit you with $120 in court costs as well.

KRS 29A.270 Right to jury trial.
(1) Defendants shall have the right to a jury trial in all criminal prosecutions, including prosecutions for violations of traffic laws, in the Circuit and District Courts. The defendant may request a jury trial at any time prior to the time his case is called for trial.
(2) There shall be no right to a jury trial in civil actions in which the amount in controversy does not exceed two hundred and fifty dollars ($250).
(3) Nothing in this section shall be construed to restrict the power of the judge to punish for contempt of court

Anonymous Bob Sacamano April 21, 2015 8:05 PM  

“every, EVERY Federal law which LIMITS THE PEOPLE is a direct violation and inversion of that principle.”

Bobby, federal laws reflect the will of the people. They themselves may desire to limit their own individual freedom for the benefit of the group or restrain themselves from engaging in actions they deem restricts liberty. The federal government is not its own entity, it is the creation of citizens.


“you could actually implement the 14th Amendment and have it comply with Republican precepts: the law would constrain the Federal .gov AND ONLY THE FEDERAL .GOV to behave in a color blind manner.”

And when states engage in actions that counteract how the federal government ought to behave, it circumvents the legitimate authority of the federal government under the Constitution to act the manner it was prescribed. Your hamster wheel is spinning, Bobby.


“the 18th Amendment ( Prohibition ) never could be 'lawfully' implemented because it never was anything other than a direct attack by the Feds against the People.”

The federal government did NOT create the 18th Amendment, the people crafted it. They put forth prohibition laws at the state level. There was enough support by citizens to make this foolish social legislation the law of the land.


“Porn is not freedom. Junk food is not freedom. I-phones are not freedom. Obamacare is not freedom. Sex in the streets is not freedom. Scantily clad women is not freedom. Deserting your family and responsibilities is not freedom. I-phones and the internet are not freedom. Abortion is not freedom. Gaming is not freedom.”

Patently false. Eating Hostess cupcakes is real freedom, since I exercised my Constitutional right under the 9th Amendment to purchase from a store within a state a tasty snack. Producing Brazilian fart porn for the masses is real freedom, since I exercised my Constitutional right under the 1st Amendment to engage in free speech. Why do you hate cupcakes and Brazillian far porn?



“The 14th installed an overlay, making one both a citizen of the State in which they reside and a Citizen of The United States of America. The 14th established the One Nation, the confederacy of sovereign states subsumed within it. The seperate states were Federalized.”



It had been historically unclear as to what conferred citizenship—the state one resided in or the federal government. The 14th Amendment clarified the federal government to confer citizenship rights guaranteed under the Constitution and the state government to determine the criteria for those citizenship rights, so long as the criteria did not prohibit the exercise of said rights. When said rights were prohibited by a state against citizens of that state, those citizens were able to find recourse at the federal level. There was no fealty involved whatsoever.

Anonymous p-dawg April 21, 2015 10:17 PM  

@Jourdan: If you have actually done what you are accused of, but you don't agree that what you did should be illegal, I wouldn't go for a jury trial. You should know that juries can't decide matters of law. I wouldn't count on jury nullification. Most people don't know what it is, and the judge sure isn't going to tell them. If you didn't do what you were accused of, then yes, a jury trial is preferred.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 22, 2015 12:06 AM  

The State would respond with help by the media to institute a massive clamp down on our rights. They would probably use it as an excuse to ban the sale of most nitrogen fertilizers to the general public, and eliminate the sale of all ammunition reloading components.

The key phrase in your comment is "use it as an excuse." You must realize, since you used the phrase, that they would eventually find something else to use as an excuse instead.

And just to state the obvious, you can't have a crackdown without someone willing and able to do the cracking.

And please Stilicho, don't confuse 4GW with restrictive ROEs. 4GW isn't about bringing a press release to a gun fight. 4GW lets you shoot the other guys too. It just also means sapping the enemy's ability to go full 0GW. When he slaughters a ten man cell of yours, it causes 100 of his own troops to desert, retire or malinger. That sort of thing.

Blogger Michael Maier April 22, 2015 1:44 AM  

Josh April 21, 2015 12:24 PM
Maier,

Fortunately for her family, the police didn’t taunt her or her children. Some of them seemed embarrassed by what they were doing. At the end of the ordeal, one officer looked at the family, still confined to one room, and said, “Some days, I hate my job.”

Looks like the pigs knew exactly what they were doing.


That does not speak to the origin on the search warrant, just the idea that this particular pig maybe didn't like serving a search warrant SWAT-STYLE on a non-violent suspect.

I am of the mind that anyone that requests a SWAT warrant without reasonable expectation of violence should be shot dead anyway.

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 11:25 AM  

And please Stilicho, don't confuse 4GW with restrictive ROEs. 4GW isn't about bringing a press release to a gun fight. 4GW lets you shoot the other guys too. It just also means sapping the enemy's ability to go full 0GW.

I don't. I've been a student of Lind since the 80's due to his work with the Corps. I understand his theories pretty well at this point. 4GW works well in some situations. Hell, I'm a fan of the theory and we even trained to use its precepts against enemies in certain scenarios. But it isn't the panacea to oppressive statism that many believe. And this is important: even the best 4GW campaign requires TIME to effectively sap an opponent's will and it is susceptible to the same type of "moral" attacks. Indeed, wiping out an infestation of Mohammedans is easily portrayed as the moral high ground. Just like a majority of Americans are conditioned to accept the message that anyone killed by police had it coming. We're making inroads on that, but it is taking time and the various vibrant hordes running amok are making it harder to do so. In the meantime, it is relatively easy to make a few Jack Amoks and Stilichos disappear to create fear and confusion while simultaneously going full Waco on any convenient groups (who will be dutifully reported as "cults", "militias", "domestic terrorists", "tea partiers", "extremists", or even "child molesters" by a compliant media). Never underestimate the ability and desire of statists to go full 0GW. It's their strongest play and their secret desire.

When he slaughters a ten man cell of yours, it causes 100 of his own troops to desert, retire or malinger.

0GW doesn't involve slaughtering a ten man cell. What you're describing is the equivalent of French 2GW applied by police. 0GW involves wiping out a population root and branch or at least enough of them to destroy any meaningful ability to resist further then replacing their people, culture, identity, and religion with your own.

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 11:36 AM  

@Jack Amok, I will also say that we are lucky in this country that the state isn't yet prepared to go to 0GW against us and that a civil war is one of the scenarios where 4GW works best due to limitations on the ability to employ 0GW against your own population. Of course, that equation changes drastically when you import other populations and use them against the population you want to destroy and replace. Some future Bill Ayers will be happy to go that route and he won't stop at 25 million if he can get away with it.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 22, 2015 12:38 PM  

I will also say that we are lucky in this country that the state isn't yet prepared to go to 0GW against us and that a civil war is one of the scenarios where 4GW works best due to limitations on the ability to employ 0GW against your own population.

Yes, and that's the primary environment I'm considering, which is perhaps part of where our disagreement comes from.

Of course, that equation changes drastically when you import other populations and use them against the population you want to destroy and replace.

And that's back to the comment above about "foreign" police making it harder to pull off the Wacos without a backlash.

Here's my view on the practical considerations of any would-be tyrant in the U.S. (and we certainly have them).

1) There's only a limited number of Waco style assaults government forces can make against domestic targets without trigging a crisis of legitimacy. Isolated incidents can be explained away as you mentioned, but string even a few together and skepticism of government motives grows exponentially.

2) a crisis of legitimatcy will cause dissention among the government ranks at the same time it bolsters the ranks of "revolutionaries" (or counter-revolutionaries, if you prefer).

3) Foreign imports are creating a backlash as well, and that backlash also grows geometrically.

4) The government requires the active participation of the european-stock portion of the population in order to function. That population is generally orderly and follows the rules, until it isn't and doesn't. There are growing signs that population is becoming less orderly and compliant.

5) Dissapearing a few leaders from a pissed off white population that's already rejected it's "official" leaders in the government won't quell them.

6) The imports coming in are not coming from societies with a very good track record winning wars against other people. And from a civil war standpoint, they're tyipcally from the losing side of their own civil wars.

That doesn't mean things couldn't be unpleasant and bad luck is always a possibility. But I wouldn't bet on traditional americans to be on the losing end of a 0GW confict.

But then I'm probably a lot smarter than the people who would trigger such a conflict.

Anonymous Stilicho April 22, 2015 1:10 PM  


Yes, and that's the primary environment I'm considering, which is perhaps part of where our disagreement comes from.


Yep.

But I wouldn't bet on traditional americans to be on the losing end of a 0GW confict.

Neither would I.

But then I'm probably a lot smarter than the people who would trigger such a conflict.

Yep.

6) The imports coming in are not coming from societies with a very good track record winning wars against other people. And from a civil war standpoint, they're tyipcally from the losing side of their own civil wars.

That won't stop the statists from trying. Many of them actually expect you to "sit down so they [sic] can abolish you".

Anonymous Jack Amok April 22, 2015 11:21 PM  

That won't stop the statists from trying.

They do tend to be linear thinkers.

"Nobody's strung us up from lamposts yet! Let's keep going..."

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