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Tuesday, April 14, 2015

More fake reviews

This time from one Carrie Schutrick, who pretends that she's read John C. Wright's Book of Feasts & Seasons:
Ghastly
By Carrie Schutrick "Neon Fox"on April 14, 2015
Format: Kindle Edition
I would like to make something clear: this book gets one star only because it's apparently been copyedited. In this day of self publishing, that's not a given, so a lack of typos and a writer who seems to have a grasp of the use of the semicolon are things to celebrate.

The content, however, is horrifically bad. To take only one example, there's the inexplicably Hugo-nominated story "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus", in which a woman whose daughter has just died of cancer is granted a visitation from Saint Nicholas, and the girl is resurrected because her mother becomes Catholic enough to deserve a miracle. (And there's a miracle Christmas tree, even though Saint Nicholas makes it a point to say that he doesn't smoke a pipe because he lived before people started doing that. Et tu, Queen Victoria?) The perversion of Catholic doctrine around the problem of evil is...well, one hesitates to call it "blasphemy", but I cannot think of a term that better fits.

I rather wish I had actually purchased the book, because then I could ethically burn it; it's considered bad form to do such a thing to a book belonging to someone else.
They're so sneaky, aren't they, just happening to show up and post the first and only one-star reviews the very day that someone told them to do so. As before, I reported it for abuse and inappropriate content.

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Blogger badwhite April 14, 2015 4:56 PM  

But really, how can they help themselves when they arent actually being hunted?

Anonymous daddynichol April 14, 2015 4:58 PM  

I'll wager that a mere handful actually purchased the book, then wrote come critical content, shared it on blogs and emails for others to copy and slightly modify, so they, in turn would head over to Amazon to post their single star reviews.

Watch for limited stories and commentary.

SJWs always lie.

Anonymous Soga April 14, 2015 4:59 PM  

Look at the reviewer's profile on Amazon. She has given very low ratings to EVERY book she's reviewed. And if you read her other reviews, it's incredibly clear she doesn't really understand what she reads. I don't think we have a serious reader here.

Anonymous kh123 April 14, 2015 5:01 PM  

As was said two posts ago, Glenn Hauman's attempting to censor comments on his Amazon page.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 14, 2015 5:04 PM  

She dislikes Snakes & Arrows?

Blogger bob k. mando April 14, 2015 5:06 PM  

"Saint Nicholas makes it a point to say that he doesn't smoke a pipe because he lived before people started doing that. Et tu, Queen Victoria?"

wat? what is this, i don't even ...

Saint Nick died prior to 400 AD, how can she have a problem with this statement?

it's like complaining because someone points out that Johnny Appleseed was real:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Appleseed#Subsistence_lifestyle


"I rather wish I had actually purchased the book, because then I could ethically burn it; it's considered bad form to do such a thing to a book belonging to someone else."


wat? what is this, i don't even ...

so she admits that she did NOT purchase the book ... and yet she wants to burn a Kindle?

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 14, 2015 5:07 PM  

You should have jacked the price up for just one day when they announced their plan.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 April 14, 2015 5:08 PM  

Was The Book of Feasts & Seasons ever actually printed? Since most of the Castalia House catalog is digital, that right there should give it away that she's lying -- borrowing and lamenting the inability to burn a book that doesn't exist in three dimensions.
If it did get printed, it's still dubious, because how many second-hand copies of the book can there be in the few months it's been published?

Blogger AmyJ April 14, 2015 5:10 PM  

Either she's a liar, or she borrowed it from someone who had bought the ebook (you can loan certain Kindle books). My guess is both: she borrowed it to skim "Yes, Virginia" so she could say she "read" the book and dismiss it.

Anyone who can read Yes, Virginia without being moved even a little bit has no soul.

OpenID theforgottenpaths April 14, 2015 5:12 PM  

Funny... I noticed many of the 5 star reviews also being downvoted a lot. Seems these SJWs can't even stand the fact that many others have greatly enjoyed Mr. Wright's book.

Anonymous kfg April 14, 2015 5:13 PM  

" . . . she wants to burn a Kindle?"

As was implied in the previous thread, the implication is that she borrowed a hard copy.

Blogger AmyJ April 14, 2015 5:14 PM  

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Anonymous karsten April 14, 2015 5:15 PM  

That review actually made me want to buy the book. The story sounds fascinating.

Anonymous kh123 April 14, 2015 5:16 PM  

...Apparently, Hauman has a problem with links being posted - that track back to his Comicmix article. And Thomases' fake review on Amazon.

But yet, he's quite happy to appear dialectic so as to explain that "gaming" is not the same as "fake". Or conflating 1 star reviews that magically coincide with his "Le's GAME EM!" strategy to 5 star reviews in general.

Curious to see how Amazon deals with the reports.

Anonymous Stilicho April 14, 2015 5:22 PM  

Say what you will about Wright, but his grasp of Roman Catholic doctrine is better than some priests I've met and, in the case of the Filipina girl, appeared to be better than Francis' understanding.

Blogger Ken April 14, 2015 5:24 PM  

Well, I suppose she just proved evolution, because - like the monkeys she likely believes she's descended from - she has flung poop all over a marvelous book. Not only that, but she decided to smear said faeces by spoiling the ending of "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus."

Anonymous MendoScot April 14, 2015 5:25 PM  

Yes, I noticed the slew of negative comments on the RP slate, starting about a week ago.

Apparently they missed the implications of "efficient, focussed, disciplined".

Blogger Markku April 14, 2015 5:29 PM  

No, there are no hardcopies of it yet.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera April 14, 2015 5:31 PM  

I note the reviewer took pains to appeal to specifically Catholic badfeelz. With Vox's books, they only go for generic Christian badfeelz, in the process tending to display a very poor understanding of the man's beliefs.

It's not that these people have a hammer, therefore everything is a nail. It's that, to them, everything is a hammer.

Anonymous Freestater April 14, 2015 5:31 PM  

Vox have you seen this? You are being attacked by PCMAG.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2481353,00.asp

Anonymous MendoScot April 14, 2015 5:32 PM  

Also there is a Carrie Shutrick listed as a contributor to an Evil Overlord list - perphaps a GamerGate crossover from the other side?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera April 14, 2015 5:38 PM  

If there were a Hindu on the SP slate, I'm imagining they'd write a fake review like so:

"As a lifelong, practicing Hindu, I'd warn people away from this book. It abuses the concept of karma, and the author should think long and hard about the effects this is having on his own karma."

Et cetera et cetera, when really they just don't like the author's stance on gay marriage or something.

Anonymous Mike M. April 14, 2015 5:43 PM  

"Anyone who can read Yes, Virginia without being moved even a little bit has no soul."

This. Period. I think it might be the best Christmas story ever written.

Anonymous BB April 14, 2015 5:47 PM  

One of their ideological strangleholds has just been broken. You'd think they knew better than to take their failed tactics elsewhere. Best case (for them), Amazon is simply going to intervene in their false review operation; worst case, something similar to Reaxxion will arise as a result, an anti-Goodreads if you will, immune to SJW entryism.

Anonymous Steve April 14, 2015 5:49 PM  

Carrie Schutrick is quite the artist.

I'm not going to be cruel and link to anything else from her, but having seen the lady herself, I foresee cats in her future. Lots and lots of cats.

Anonymous pseudotsuga April 14, 2015 5:49 PM  

Well, that's too bad I won't have Wright's story to read in my Hugo packet. Instead, I'll read this story and see if my analysis of its writing quality indicates that it is up to MY standards for Hugo-worthy. It may not be Hugo-ready, but I still want to judge for myself.
Now that I have some skin in the game, $40 worth of skin, I intend to play to win, instead of sitting on the sidelines badmouthing the referees.

Anonymous Strange Aeons April 14, 2015 5:53 PM  

Freestater -
It looks like PCmag has learned nothing from the very recent EW libel incident, but don't you find just a little humor in that the writer unironically described this culture war as a "rabbit hole"?

Anonymous Nemo Maximus April 14, 2015 5:59 PM  

I have to agree that Yes Virginia is a problematic story--not that I did not enjoy reading it. Towards the end of reading it, I suffered some severe side effects, however. It caused a severe allergic reaction in my eyes, and also caused my eyeglasses to be covered with white flecks which I later determined to be composed mainly of NaCl. It should carry one of those black box warnings.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 14, 2015 6:00 PM  

Reported Glen Hauman for abuse.
I mean, come on ilk:
Surely we are not to sit idle while a vile ideologue and totalitarian who wants to control the very WAY anyone else thinks, tries to smear the good name and good works of a pious and unfailingly gentlemanly man like Mr. Wright.

Surely we are not the types to stand idly by while an innocent gentleman is attacked by a mob of ranting jackbooted thugs?
Maybe if enough sane men and women complain about such vile behaviour Amazon may rethink about having Hauman on their site.
After all, haven't we been told there is to be no tolerance for intolerant? Let Mr. Hauman live by his "principles" then.


Anonymous spic April 14, 2015 6:03 PM  

10 years ago, back when "Bush = Hitler" ... the mere suggestion of "crushing dissent" was marked by screams of MCCARTHYISM!!! and "how dare you put a chill on free speech!"

Amazingly, ever since we elected a gay socials black guy, suddenly "free speech" isn't that big of deal.

If we have a Pres. Rubio or Pres. Cruz or Pres. Walker -- expect the shrieking to begin anew. But this time WE WILL KNOW LEFT WINGERS ARE PURE BULLSHIT.

Blogger Russell April 14, 2015 6:05 PM  

Lift Up Thine Eyes

Blogger bob k. mando April 14, 2015 6:05 PM  

kfg April 14, 2015 5:13 PM
As was implied in the previous thread, the implication is that she borrowed a hard copy.



eh, it says right there at the top of the review that it's for "The Book of Feasts & Seasons (Kindle Edition)".

more telling is that she subsequently claims to have NOT read the Kindle edition:
"b) Reading comprehension, please; I did not read the thing on my Kindle. "

which is prima facie evidence that she filed a fake review.

i suppose her 'friend' could have downloaded a copy from CH?

of course, she also 'just happened' to go to the only story that got pulled from the nomination list and read ONLY that.

otoh, Centreville? huh, i lived there for several years. that's right on the edge of the DC ex-urb, next to the Bull Run battlefield. close enough to get all of those wonderful DC traffic jams, far enough away that the countryside is only minutes away from your door.

Anonymous Donn April 14, 2015 6:08 PM  

So they're burning it down rather than share their little world. Good luck with that SJW rabbits.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 14, 2015 6:11 PM  

Hauman is under the impression that he is clever becuase he didn't explicitly call for his...I dunno...is fans the right word?

But the implication is clear enough. Is there any key word Amazon looks for? "Manipulation"? Something like that?

Anonymous Jeanne April 14, 2015 6:20 PM  

AMEN Giuseppe!

I pretty much adore, Mr. Wright. We've never met, never spoken, although I did comment on his blog once and did kindly reply to it--but I read most everything he writes, be it blog posts, books, or short stories, and I have grown affectionately fond of him.

I've reported them for abuse, marked "No" on whether these reviews were helpful, and written Amazon to complain about both. Anything else I can do, let me know.

These dishonorable, dishonest hacks have just crossed the Rubicon in going after Mr. Wright.

Anonymous Mark Citadel April 14, 2015 6:22 PM  

I'm sure I'm not the only one getting thoroughly p**** off with this crap. The loser squad are venting their rage at Wright when it should be internally aimed at their own impotence and progressive narrative. This is in such poor taste, it's hard to know where to begin, and no Carrie has not read the book. I doubt she's even read a weather report in her miserable life.

Wright should file complaint to get it removed immediately. Bogus reviews from SJW bogus.

Anonymous indpndnt April 14, 2015 6:24 PM  

If you're going to call 'heresy', at least have the decency to elevate yourself to the level of the inquisition and state clearly what the heretical material is and why.

Blogger SirHamster April 14, 2015 6:41 PM  

more telling is that she subsequently claims to have NOT read the Kindle edition:

"b) Reading comprehension, please; I did not read the thing on my Kindle. "


One could read the Kindle edition ebook on some non-Kindle device ... but it would still be electronic and not very burn-able.

She also trips over herself, because at one point she claims she only read the one story, but her original comment says she selected the story Virginia as one example; implying she read enough of the book to have multiple examples.

Unfortunately, the comments have just been deleted, so can't quote for accuracy.

Blogger wrf3 April 14, 2015 6:42 PM  

Oh, come on, people. The story is online at JCW's blog. That's why it was disqualified from this years Hugo awards.

Anonymous MendoScot April 14, 2015 6:44 PM  

You are being attacked by PCMAG.

Watching Correia and Martin spar civilly and try to have a painful, necessary conversation over their differing perceptions of science fiction fandom is agonizing, because the winner in the whole Hugo Awards controversy isn't Correia or Martin—it's Day, who took Correia's pain, weaponized it and mixed it with anthrax.

That´s it. It´s over. Vox has deployed the ultimate WMD.

WEAPONIZED MONSTER HUNTER TEARS MIXED WITH ANTHRAX.

Every time I think these people are beyond parody, they ratchet it up one more.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 14, 2015 6:50 PM  

How is it the people of hope and change love GM nihilistic hopeless pap? Maybe Larry can ask his friend GM if he has any ideas why.

As for the latest cat lady Mr Wright wrote a wonderful cat character in his "One Bright Star" book, loved it

Anonymous Aeoli Pera April 14, 2015 6:52 PM  

BIG QUOTE coming:

""""
I have a theory that most seriously-religious modern (twentieth century) Westerners who embrace Eastern religions - such as Hinduism or Buddhism - often do so in order to be religious but also 'take advantage' of the modern sexual revolution, in a way that would not be possible for a similarly-devout Christian or Jew (Salinger's Father was Jewish).

From the Western perspective, Eastern religion offers a meaningful, aesthetic mysticism that downplays or altogether leaves-out the Jewish-Christian requirement for sexual virtue (i.e. sex only in the context of a monogamous and permanent marriage).

Furthermore, from a Christian perspective, the Eastern religions leave-out sin; which sounds-like a liberation but actually is not; because they also leave-out repentance, and the possibility of being 'washed clean' from sin.

So the Western convert to Eastern religion (apparently) feels no need to confess his sins or feel limited by conventional (traditional) morality - a situation which he presumably likes.

But neither can he repent his wrong-doings and make a fresh start - which makes change difficult (and futile); and potentially leads the seriously religious person to a helpless conviction of accumulating 'bad Karma', or passively being punished for the wickedness of previous existences.

The Christian sin of Pride tends to be amplified - since pride becomes the primary motivation, the one thing that keeps an otherwise despairing person/ artist/ writer active and purposeful. And pride often leads to hatred, resentment, a sense of superiority and despising of others as inferior - and the rest of it.

-Bruce Charlton
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2015/04/jd-salinger-genius-that-was-sadly.html
"""

Speculation follows:

To extend the idea to SJWs, we see that because rabbits have no mental categories for sin and repentance, they have no escape from their inner turmoil except to project it outward.

This has interesting strategic implications. If cultural Marxism were not religious, it would not be competing with Christianity for the same place in a person's heart (math and grammar, for instance, do not compete with Christianity), therefore SJWs must be understood as following a perverted religious instinct. Perverted by what? They are characterized by delusion due to fear of reality, so that's my first guess.

Fear may also drive them to repentance, if repentance were presented to them as a way out after they lose the energy for delusion and it gives way to despair. This despair will probably manifest as dropping out of the SJW movement in disgust.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 14, 2015 6:56 PM  

You are being attacked by PCMAG.

I wonder if they are going to delete my comments

Blogger Blume April 14, 2015 7:00 PM  

Just so you know I will buy one of you make it. Probably 2.

Anonymous kfg April 14, 2015 7:07 PM  

"The story is online at JCW's blog."

Exactly. The lying liars have been lying again, and lying lies they had no need to lie to "build the narrative."

All you need do to hang them is to hand them enough rope.

Anonymous The Name's Ward....Noah Ward April 14, 2015 7:09 PM  

I like my Hugo's shaken, not stirred.

And no fucking umbrellas. I hate parasols.

Blogger grendel April 14, 2015 7:10 PM  

Speaking of people who talk shit about things they haven't read, I was suspicious when Tyrion said he thought Opera Vita Aeterna was the worst thing nominated last year. But maybe he did read it and he's just too far gone.

Blogger SirHamster April 14, 2015 7:12 PM  

How is it the people of hope and change love GM nihilistic hopeless pap?

If we apply SJWs always lie .... it's because they hate hope and love death; Hope and Change was just a cover.

Anonymous Lana April 14, 2015 7:18 PM  

Congratulations, Carrie. I just purchased the book so that I could read everything in it. Since I am also a voting member, I will be judging all the other works in this category based on the political nature of John C. Wright's work being disqualified. Needless to say, "If You Were Weightless, My Love" will be getting No Award.

Anonymous Lana April 14, 2015 7:23 PM  

Congratulations, Carrie. I just purchased the book so that I could read everything in it. Since I am also a voting member, I will be judging all the other works in this category based on the political nature of John C. Wright's work being disqualified. Needless to say, "If You Were Weightless, My Love" will be getting No Award.

Anonymous kh123 April 14, 2015 7:26 PM  

From his author's page:

" Glenn Hauman says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway.]"


Anonymous ryan April 14, 2015 7:28 PM  

Just bought the book. Thanks Carrie!

Anonymous Steve April 14, 2015 7:29 PM  

MendoScot - please.

The Dark Lord wouldn't do anything do gauche as use anthrax. What is this - nineteen canteen? Anthrax isn't even contagious, and that would hardly serve the purposes of the Feynman of Fear.

If he were to use biological weapons - and I'm not saying Project Chimera exists, mind you - it would be an agent so elegant, subtle, and yet mind-meltingly terrifying that it would make the Umbrella Corporation's efforts look like a children's pox party.

Thankfully all those German-accented men in white coats deep within the fortified bunker complex under Castello Malevoxo are... milkmen. Who got... lost. Did I say fortified bunker complex? I meant wine cellar. That's what the industrial sized vats are for. Wine.

And the muscular men in quasi-futuristic paramilitary uniforms are carrying MP5 submachine guns because they're... concerned.. for the... safety of those poor milkmen. One can never be too careful.

So let's have no more silly nonsense and wild speculation about bioweapons, captured Old Ones summoned from the Dimension of Pain and bent to Vox's infernal will, or ancient religious artifacts that are reputed make the army that bears them invincible in battle.

Anonymous jack April 14, 2015 7:36 PM  

Not to defend this lopsided girl, but, I think she was trying to say she wished there was a hard copy she could burn. Course, she managed to mangle the Queen's English in the attempt.
It would be fascinating to observe her IQ scores. If she was able to turn the first page of the exam, that is.

Anonymous Sevron April 14, 2015 7:39 PM  

What technology is needed is next is some way of making physical hardcovers or paperbacks on demand. I hate ebooks, I want a physical book.

Anonymous Varenius April 14, 2015 7:42 PM  

I wasn't planning to buy Feasts & Seasons, but after reading this, I just did.

Anonymous Alexander April 14, 2015 7:47 PM  

Jack,

How often do you read a book that you read on someone else's kindle. Not loaned, but on their physical kindle.

Next question, what you put the odds at that said friend just happened to have one of the books that was called out by Glenn to trash?

Right. Indefensible.

Blogger bob k. mando April 14, 2015 7:53 PM  

well, it's certainly not SF.

and i don't see how it should be Fantasy.

although ... an atheist would have to categorize it such?

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 14, 2015 7:56 PM  

"Carrie Shutrick April 14, 2015 3:36:24 PDT
Saint Nicholas says that the three children died to redeem the innkeeper. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of Christianity that Jesus already took care of that? Now, I am no theologian, and there's quite possibly some commentary in the background that I'm missing. But that statement, lacking context or commentary, strikes me as...let's go with "misguided", since it seems stronger words are displeasing."

She attacks Mr. Wright for his theology...when anyone with half a brain and an ounce of Christian upbringing of any stripe is aware of the observation oft repeated, recently by Pope Francis: “The Church grows thanks to the blood of the martyrs."

Only someone intending to be so dense would ever see the idea that Jesus sends one of his saints to die a certain way so that certain others would have their eyes opened, shortened to - he died so that others would also be saved - would be an implication of salvific work done by someone other than Jesus.

They cannot ever stop lying; the lies are their reality. She could have said - this story is preachy; this story is a vehicle for conversion; this story subordinates storytelling to its evangelistic message; this story has no appeal for a non-Christian - and we could just say she's a crank who hates everything, but that's her opinion. Instead, to pretend she was attacking from the right, she wants to burn Mr. Wright as a heretic and brand him a blasphemer.

I don't think there's a review on Amazon that's made me want to spend money before like this one.

Blogger Krul April 14, 2015 7:56 PM  

wrf3 - The story is online at JCW's blog.

Thanks for the link, I just finished reading it.

Beautiful. Tears. Oh, and I caught that Tennyson quote! I'm all, like, erudite and stuff.

Needless to say, it's far superior to "Upsy Daisy" or whatever it's called.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield April 14, 2015 7:58 PM  

To paraphrase the sainted Ayn...

"Laugh at John C. Wright and hold John Scalzi as a great science fiction writer. You’ve destroyed science fiction. Build Rachel Swirsky and you’ve destroyed fantasy. Hail the Toad of Tor and you’ve destroyed book editing. Glorify John C. Hines and you’ve destroyed masculinity. Don’t set out to raze all shrines – you’ll frighten men, Enshrine mediocrity - and the shrines are razed.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield April 14, 2015 8:00 PM  

Uh, make that JIM C. Hines

Damn my palsied hands!

Anonymous kfg April 14, 2015 8:02 PM  

There is nothing particularly mangled about her English, nor is her meaning unclear. She couldn't burn it because it was somebody else's property.

The unnecessary lie did have a functional component - to defend herself from being cannibalized by her own warren for having supported the author by purchasing the book.

"See? Look, I borrowed it."

It is a conventional reflex of their narrative, which, in this case, tripped her on the mere technicality of it being impossible. Not they are prone to allow the impossibility of claims to interrupt their narrative in any case.

Blogger Kull April 14, 2015 8:02 PM  

I don't know how much more I can take. I`'ve lurked for a while, enjoyed the blog, chimed in once or twice, generally had a good time. We all come from different backgrounds and as I don't have the opportunity to swim in any right wing circles I chocked some of the anger or commentary here as a bit of hyperbole. Venice has canals, Portland has hipsters, and Vox`s blog has a lot of piss and vinegar. All part of the grand pageant of our beloved internet. I can't see things the same way after all this hugo shit. It's so goddam infuriating. They could have just taken the knock and begun working to get their numbers up for next year. They own the media. They own the publishers. If they had conducted themselves honorably then it would have taken the wind right out of the puppy sails, removing the apparent need for any campaign, at least in the eyes of fence sitters. But no. Shrieking fits. Character assassination. Blatant lying. Membership buying. And now tampering with Amazon reviews. No sense of decency, honor, or even a sense of proportion. It's a fucking book award. In the past men have been able to shake hands or trade salutes and then kill each other. That's not the ethos on display here. These people make me sick. They are bringing me down. I am not naive. A lot of shit gets on my nerves and I don't live with my head in the sand but frankly this response has taken me by surprise. Last year they brought me down by slagging Opera and being their bitchy selves. This year it is just off the fucking charts. Is this how people are? Is this how they want to act? Maybe I am too sensitive. Not sensitive enough to like their shit mfa workshop fiction though. Damn.

Blogger Danby April 14, 2015 8:04 PM  

@MrGreenMan
I too assumed from her original review that she was an atheist, but as near as I can tell from her online presence, she is actually a Catholic. A fairly typical Labor Democrat Ethnic Cafeteria Catholic, but a Catholic. A lot like my sister actually, if my sister were an SCA member, with an interest in languages. And woefully taught, but that's probably not her fault.

Her one contribution to humanity seems to be her online guide to adjusting the tension on a sewing machine, which if you have ever had to do it, is absurdly difficult to do right.

So give the girl her due.

Anonymous Steve April 14, 2015 8:05 PM  

Alexander - and what are the odds that both Glen Haumann and Carrie Schutrick aka "Neon Fox" are readers of "Making Light"?

Neon Fox

Glenn Hauman

It's a small internet after all.

I'd like to thank Mr. Beale for reminding us that the Hugo Award nomination ballot isn't the only thing that can be gamed. So can Amazon customer ratings.

It would be ironic if an organized slate decided to vote down Mr. Beale's books. And as David Gerrold has pointed out, science fiction fans are certainly creative.

Anonymous Alexander April 14, 2015 8:08 PM  

And yet, the great fat fuck from beyond the wall will continue to insist that there is no campaign, no steady long march led by whispers, no conspiracy among the trufans.

Anonymous kfg April 14, 2015 8:09 PM  

"Is this how they want to act?"

Yes. That's how we came to this pass in the first place.

Blogger Kull April 14, 2015 8:15 PM  

I never thought ill of the ilk. But it's confirmed now. the rage is justified, these people are this shitty.

Blogger Nate April 14, 2015 8:21 PM  

"I never thought ill of the ilk. But it's confirmed now. the rage is justified, these people are this shitty. "

Kull... they never learned Rumsfeld's lesson. You have to Kill Ilk faster than you create them.

They aren't doing much killing... and they are doing an awful lot of creating.

Anonymous SJW = marketing wizards! April 14, 2015 8:31 PM  

wonder how many books Carrie sold today? Mr. Wright should send her a Christmas card.

Blogger Krul April 14, 2015 8:39 PM  

Kull,

When you get down to it, the thing that drives these people crazy, the thing that they absolutely cannot stand, is the mere fact that we exist. We right thinking people. Our existence is a constant source of stress for them.

Now, they could abide when they were able to pretend that we were insignificant. That the distant voices they were hearing were some tiny, irrational fringe. But their delusions have been shattered by SP. SP, its offshoots, and related reactions like Gamergate leave the SJWs no recourse. They can no longer pretend that we don't exist or that we are some insignificant minority or that we're just a motley band of unlettered hicks. Not only do we exist, but we are stronger, smarter, more numerous, richer, and better looking than they are. And we reproduce. We are the future. They are a bad joke fading into the past, like a fart on the wind, and they can't help but feel it when they see or hear or even think of us.

Hence their reaction.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 14, 2015 8:41 PM  

At least Carrie is getting thoroughly pummeled over there. I can't even see most of her comments to her review, because they've all been deemed "unhelpful." The review is, what 3 out of 100 or so helpful?

Blogger bob k. mando April 14, 2015 8:42 PM  

"Carrie Shutrick April 14, 2015 3:36:24 PDT
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of Christianity that Jesus already took care of that?


yes, He did.

but the death of the children, per se, was NOT what redeemed the innkeeper.

it was the forcing of the innkeeper to repentance before the cross that accomplished his salvation and allowed him to be redeemed.

more importantly though, John was just playing off of some of the miracles that Saint Nicholas is said to have performed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas#Legends_and_folklore

so we now have two separate instances where she has demonstrated historical buffoonery and ignorance.


Kull April 14, 2015 8:02 PM
We all come from different backgrounds and as I don't have the opportunity to swim in any right wing circles I chocked some of the anger or commentary here as a bit of hyperbole. Venice has canals, Portland has hipsters, and Vox`s blog has a lot of piss and vinegar.
...
I can't see things the same way after all this hugo shit. It's so goddam infuriating.
...
Is this how people are? Is this how they want to act?



remember how in the last thread i pointed out that THEIR answers are OUR recruiting tools amongst the fence sitters and squishy middle?

well come, brother.

your eyes hurt because you've never used them.

Blogger grendel April 14, 2015 8:46 PM  

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Blogger Nate April 14, 2015 8:51 PM  

"your eyes hurt because you've never used them."

now now Bob... he's obviously used them... we cannot deny the veracity of his piss and vinegar observation...

Blogger bob k. mando April 14, 2015 8:55 PM  

metaphors, Nate, meh-ta-fours.

Blogger Maryland Bear April 14, 2015 8:56 PM  

"As before, I reported it for abuse and inappropriate content."

How politically correct of,you.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee April 14, 2015 9:02 PM  

Just bought a copy of Feast & Seasons. I read One Bright Star a few weeks back. If I heard an author described as a conservative, Catholic fantasist, I'd probably say, "not my cup of tea." But I read it and I was amazed at how that story spoke directly to my lost ideals. I'm a typical bitter, old cynic, and if you can reach my shriveled up heart, you are truly a master of your craft Mr. Wright. Thank you.

Anonymous Godfrey April 14, 2015 9:06 PM  

I'll have to make it a point to trash their books too. There have been several that were so bad I couldn't even finish them. I never bothered to write a review, but now I will.

OpenID cailcorishev April 14, 2015 9:12 PM  

How politically correct of you.

In the words of Lazlo Hollyfeld, "They set up the rules." Not only that, but they managed to set themselves up as judge, jury, and arbiter of the rules. It's not our fault that, with all those advantages, they're still too stupid to be able to keep their rules from being used against them.

Blogger Nate April 14, 2015 9:15 PM  

"metaphors, Nate, meh-ta-fours."

asher says what?

Blogger The Deuce April 14, 2015 9:35 PM  

Amazon at least needs to create an option for authors to make it so that only Verified reviews are allowed on their books.

Blogger Jason April 14, 2015 9:37 PM  

"They're so sneaky, aren't they, just happening to show up and post the first and only one-star reviews the very day that someone told them to do so"

Sorry, where was this announced? Did I miss it?

Anonymous clk April 14, 2015 9:49 PM  

I cant say whether she read the whole book but it is certainly clear that she did read "Yes Virginia ..." she makes the same observation that I have always made about JW and one she couldn't have without seeing his work .. The man knows how to construct a sentence... regardless of what they might think of the story --- the sentence structure, the punctuation and his complex sentences indicates a well educated, well read man.

The rest of her review ... she really doesn't know enough catholic/christian history to appreciate it ... and yes ... some of it could seem blasphemous to those used to a nice, sunny, modern christian religion taught to children on a Saturday morning... but what JW wrote is old school, traditionalist in flavor where there was no spoon full of sugar mixed with the salvation to make the medicine go down easier...

I cried...

Anonymous Soga April 14, 2015 9:53 PM  

Well said, clk. That rings true, that bit about no spoon full of sugar.

Blogger M. Bibliophile April 14, 2015 10:30 PM  

If she read it, then she is that unbeliever described by St. Nicholas in the story, to whom "...no answer is an answer, since it merely leads to more doubt, more perplexity..." JCW has a talent most writers can only dream of, and they deride him because he sees them for what they are and will not pretend with them. They think us so blinkered that we cannot see his disqualification for what it is. Deep down, they fear that of which this story is merely a taste.

Old school Christianity indeed.

The only kind I ever wanted.


Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 14, 2015 10:31 PM  

Attention, amazon will not ignore this.

Blogger John Wright April 14, 2015 10:32 PM  

@bob k. mando

Does the fake reviewer live in Centerville? Or were you talking about me? Maybe she read it while she was visiting my house. I live in Centreville, as you say, right down the street from the battlefield.

Blogger Noah B April 14, 2015 10:33 PM  

I LOL'ed at PC magazine: "One thing's clear: we probably need stricter moderation. Societies simply can't exist without law enforcement, because they devolve into Hobbesian hells where those who are strong and angry take whatever they want from those who are weaker and less passionate."

They're scared shitless that people can't be forced to follow along with whatever narrative they're fed by the media anymore. Well, lefties: you have only begun to feel the pain.

Anonymous x April 14, 2015 10:35 PM  

"One thing's clear: we probably need stricter moderation"

SJWs: shutupshutupshutup

Me: please go on...

Blogger John Wright April 14, 2015 10:36 PM  

@wtf3
Actually, no: the file to which you linked is timestamped Published on: Apr 8, 2015 @ 15:17
The original and unedited draft was published eight days before 2014, and then removed from the internet when I sold the story, as is the standard.
She did not read it on my website.

Anonymous kh123 April 14, 2015 10:46 PM  

"...we probably need stricter moderation."

Translation: They'r... I mean, We're too free! Back into the cage, quick! And make it bigger, with smaller compartments.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 14, 2015 10:49 PM  

Kull: "Is this how people are? Is this how they want to act?"

These are social justice warriors. They are the same kind of people that go door to door looking for a florist, a cake shop, a photographer or a pizzeria that wouldn't cater a homosexual wedding, so that they can subject the private dissident to a mass media two minutes' hate, sue them in court, and have them put out of work. Social justice warriors are aggressive, petty, cruel and dishonest.

Blogger Danby April 14, 2015 10:52 PM  

So far as I am willing to pursue the matter, she lives in Pennsylvania.

Blogger John Wright April 14, 2015 10:56 PM  

@ SJW = marketing wizards!

asks, "Wonder how many books Carrie sold today? Mr. Wright should send her a Christmas card."

By my count, five readers of this blog bought a copy of the book thanks to that false and libelous review. How many more bought who left no comment here can only be left open to speculation.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 14, 2015 10:58 PM  

Stricter mods?

THEIR LIAR, SJW ACCOUNTS ARE ABOUT TO BE CLOSED at AMAZON.

I'M FEELING THE McScaRaRa's inspiration to communicate in all caps today!

If there was a Hilter video made for this, translations would point on the map, slowly remove the glasses, Hilter would say, "all these morons had to do was operate in the dark, its like a Johnny Cash song, they screwed up working against your fellow man. This aint gonna fly, we gave the antiVoxers EVERYTHING they needed to remain in bunny ears. Now look at us, fools before the Hugo's!"

Insert; The women begin to weep, she says, "dont worry you can still buy things someplace other than amazon."

Anonymous MendoScot April 14, 2015 10:59 PM  

"One thing's clear: we probably need stricter moderation. Societies simply can't exist without law enforcement, because they devolve into Hobbesian hells where those who are strong and angry take whatever they want from those who are weaker and less passionate."

Oooh. An opportunity...

Excuse me, Mr. SJW, are you referring to African Americans?

Blogger John Wright April 14, 2015 11:03 PM  

@ Culture War Draftee

"I'm a typical bitter, old cynic, and if you can reach my shriveled up heart, you are truly a master of your craft Mr. Wright. Thank you."

Not my craft. An angelic muse inspired that story, and I did not want to write it. I am almost glad it is off the ballot. It is too good for the Morlocks of Worldcon to read.

I am surprised that the one job involving no physical danger at all, being a writer, actually this one time required courage from me. I had to obey the angel who brought the story without interjecting anything of myself in it. I had to step entirely aside.

I am so glad I did. The angel is touching people and making them ponder, or making them cry. I do not have that power.

As one bitter old cynic to another, we are the ones that God is hunting for. The tired, the broken, the ones whose dreams are dead. If there is no God, then there is no way to revive dreams from death, because if there is no God, there is no resurrection, and every Christian is a fool.

If there is a God, and if the strange tales we have heard of his dying and overcoming death are true, then dreams cannot stay dead, and greater things that we ever dared to dream are ours, and joy is inevitable, inescapable, infinite, and every cynic is a fool.

So which is it to be? A hopeless fool or a hopeful fool? No matter what we do, the choice is stark.

Blogger John Wright April 14, 2015 11:06 PM  

@ clk and M Bibliophile

If you ever become a writer, you will get on your knees and pray, dear heavens please send me some reader who will read my work and get it. After going through draft after draft, after sweating ink and weeping in frustration, and finding just the right word, the right phrase, the right way to carry the scene, the right quote from a musty old book, the right story from an ancient legend -- please send me someone who gets what the story is about.

And sometimes, and no one can say when nor why, heaven will answer you abundantly, and send dozens of readers who eyes are opened and whose hearts are unclouded.

Thank you.

Blogger bob k. mando April 14, 2015 11:10 PM  

John Wright April 14, 2015 10:32 PM
Or were you talking about me?


you. i got to wandering around Amazon and happened on that.

i used to live in Bent Tree and commuted ( oi! getting started on 66 ten minutes late in the morning could cost me an extra 45 minutes getting to work ) to the old Bell Atlantic building at 50 and the Beltway.

i had been under the impression you were down 95, someplace like Woodbridge.

if you've not visited them, the Teddy Roosevelt and Titanic memorials are good. the GW Masonic temple is ... odd. but they're Masons so whatteryagonnado?

oh yes! you MUST visit Bilbo Baggins in Alexandria. velly good. killer Monte Cristo. also beer, if you imbibe. and steak.

El Chalan in DC is lower price ( for DC ) but good as well. i'm partial to the Steak du jour.



John Wright April 14, 2015 10:36 PM
Actually, no: the file to which you linked is timestamped Published on: Apr 8, 2015 @ 15:17


and still has typos in it.

which is really bizarre, given that she said the lack of typos and editing was it's singular good point.

i hate to say it, but i'm not sure how that story is SF/F. were i on a jury, i'd have to rule against eligibility on content grounds.

i liked it, a lot, but i'd call it something like 'Apologetics Fiction'.

fortunately, for $40 we can nominate anything we dang well please!

Blogger Russell April 14, 2015 11:26 PM  

Mr. Wright, your story made me want to hug my kids when I got home from work. Thank you.

Anonymous cent April 14, 2015 11:44 PM  

To JCW. Thank you for that piece. I've shared it with my family and had a nice long discussion about the story with my teen age boys. It brought tear to this old guys eyes reading about it and made a fan out of me



Blogger Josh April 15, 2015 12:04 AM  

Mr Wright, that is a powerful story. Thank you for writing it.

Anonymous Noah B April 15, 2015 12:33 AM  

It blows my mind that someone could claim his works are not worthy of Hugo nominations.

OpenID malcolmthecynic April 15, 2015 12:36 AM  

I was the first guy to catch her. Pretty easy to find you when you threaten to ethically burn an e-book.

Anonymous FP April 15, 2015 1:16 AM  

The quality of "trolling" by these so called stalwarts of sjw is just sad.

Anonymous kh123 April 15, 2015 1:26 AM  

...Actually, my bad. Mr. Hauman hasn't censored anything over at Amazon. My mistake for not noticing between Amazon.co and Amazon.co.uk, which has a separate discussion thread.

Anonymous rho April 15, 2015 1:45 AM  

I would agree with bob k. mando, YES VIRGINIA isn't really a SF/F story. It has fantastical elements, but that's a pretty low bar.

I don't know, but I suspect, that this is the Rabid Puppies' version of IF YOU WERE A DINOSAUR. It's apt, because it's not strictly SF/F, and because it's clearly better written and a better story.

YES VIRGINIA reminds me that it was Catholics that built cathedrals, and maybe we Protestants can learn that, sometimes, truth and beauty often walk alongside each other. Or at least follow each other on Twitter.

Blogger Danby April 15, 2015 2:05 AM  

Actually, the RP version of If You Were A Dinosaur My Love would be John Wright's Queen Of The Tyrant Lizards.

Blogger Brad Andrews April 15, 2015 2:05 AM  

I almost finally bought that book today due to that review.

I then realized I needed to read the 4th Count to a Trillion book and decided to wait a bit longer. I think it is the only one of your recent books I do not have though.

Blogger JCclimber April 15, 2015 2:15 AM  

I see lots of cats in her future.
Her Amazon wishlist for fiction is entirely Romance Fantasy by female authors.

Anonymous Ain April 15, 2015 2:42 AM  

theforgottenpaths: Funny... I noticed many of the 5 star reviews also being downvoted a lot. Seems these SJWs can't even stand the fact that many others have greatly enjoyed Mr. Wright's book.

It's a gesture that's very easily returned to them, and I expect them to loudly complain about how down voting their fake reviews is unfairly gaming the system.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 15, 2015 3:18 AM  

Amen, its how my art worked out;

"And sometimes, and no one can say when nor why, heaven will answer you abundantly, and send dozens of readers who eyes are opened and whose hearts are unclouded."

About 10 years ago or so I let the land of corporate stupid go, let it go, tuned into my era, our present day, my Lordships and from there the art pours out.

Today, well Tuesday, a lady at the gym was making a point of my not working. I said, "yeah, I'm not well, I do the best I can and do my art. I dont need your worker bee status." She has her money. I dont want it, I just opt for the transient place of contentment and joy.

Those who choose, well, the current situation here is not brought on by Larry, Vox, Wright, its brought on very unhappy people. there is no real need to be frustrated in your work but an sjw or a liar on amazon has to henhouzze.

Larry, Vox and Wright have that inner security, inner joy so to speak and others dont.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 15, 2015 3:21 AM  

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Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 15, 2015 3:22 AM  

Yeah, the jealousy for Wrights work is growing and only shall too CH propser. Self employment and doing ones own deal scares some people. And he is one of a many listed above with excellent futures ahead of the them.

Ok, my limit has exceeded my 4 ounces and a late dinner, its bedtime.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 15, 2015 3:23 AM  

For our kind SJWinmcjizzlers, I am referring to your unhappy lives when I stated, "Larry, Vox and Wright have that inner security, inner joy so to speak and others dont."

Anonymous Fp April 15, 2015 4:01 AM  

"YES VIRGINIA reminds me that it was Catholics that built cathedrals, and maybe we Protestants can learn that, sometimes, truth and beauty often walk alongside each other. Or at least follow each other on Twitter."

Baroque architecture was made in competition with Protestants and its still working!

Anonymous rho April 15, 2015 4:12 AM  

Baroque architecture was made in competition with Protestants and its still working!

Me, I wouldn't pick a fight between Protestant and Catholic architecture. But to each their own.

Anonymous Laz April 15, 2015 7:13 AM  

bob k. mando: "i had been under the impression you were down 95, someplace like Woodbridge."

I used to live in Woodbridge. From talking to some friends who still live there I found out the unofficial name is now "Hoodridge".

OpenID arhyalon April 15, 2015 7:51 AM  

bob k. mando

We have eaten at the Bilbo Baggins. Delightful restaurant.

Mrs. John C. Wright

Blogger James Dixon April 15, 2015 8:20 AM  

My email to the PC Mag author:

"Subject: Civility?

> While we have some regular commenters I rarely agree with (hi, Jeffrey and Cecil), we've always managed to do so on a very civil basis.

Well, that went out the window completely when you called someone racist and misogynist with no evidence provided.

But I guess we're just supposed to take your word for the matter. I knew PC Magazine had slipped over the years, but I didn't realize they'd slipped all the way to tabloid status."

His email is sascha_segan@pcmag.com.

Blogger borderwalker April 15, 2015 9:33 AM  

"I foresee cats in her future. Lots and lots of cats."

What gave her away? All writing advice books and knitting stuff she reviewed? :-)

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2015 10:30 AM  

@ Bob K Mando

I don't imbibe, but I have been to Bilbo Baggins. Also, there is now a branch of the NASA Museum just down the street from me, where I can bring my kids and point with pride at the Wright Flyer and tell them what their ancestors built.

"i hate to say it, but i'm not sure how that story is SF/F"

The story is in the same category as SCREWTAPE LETTERS or A CHRISTMAS CAROL or ITS A WONDERFUL LIFE or THE BISHOP'S WIFE any other fantasy containing elements from Christian mythology and lore.

I would call all of those 'fantasy' since the fantastic element, visits by ghosts and travel through time and so on, form the backbone of the story.

Of course, since, technically, Saint Nicholas is a real person, perhaps we can categorize this as an historical fiction, akin to BEN HUR.

Blogger Panzerdude April 15, 2015 10:31 AM  

If most of the Dread Ilk reported these fake reviews as "abuse", it may have enough impact to:

- get Amazon to change their policy about reviews from "non-purchasers"
- get the fake reviewer's account suspended

Take the time. Just click the link and tell Amazon the review violates their own "anti-manipulation" policy.

Blogger JCclimber April 15, 2015 11:50 AM  

SInce they operate off of hate and emotion, I would say that we have a long term advantage over them in these review wars. The ilk just need to keep downvoting fake reviews, deeming them non-helpful, and reporting them consistently to Amazon.

Be in it for the long haul. Don't do their 2 day hate thing, keep at it. Every so often, click over there and check back in on things. Amazon is a business, and has NOT yet been SJW infected.

Blogger bob k. mando April 15, 2015 1:07 PM  

John Wright April 15, 2015 10:30 AM
Of course, since, technically, Saint Nicholas is a real person,



not only is he a real person, in story terms every place that he 'takes' her seems likely to have been a vision ( rather than physical presence, which would have implied FTL ) and everything 'non-vision' that happens ( from a Christian perspective ) is 'real'.

i already noted that an atheist couldn't put the story anywhere else other than Fantasy, simply due to the acknowledgment of God.

otoh, your story is CLEARLY more 'fantastic' ( resurrections of the dead? visitation from ~2000 year old entities? messages from Heaven? ) than "Dinosaur, My Love", which never pretended to be anything other than a girl's daydream as she sat by the ICU bed. Fantasy, what?

by the criteria truFen have established, your SF/F bonafides are unquestionable. but then, by the criteria truFen have established, practically ANYthing fiction would be.

that's a pretty damn low bar.

i'm just musing about what should or should not be SF/F for further down the road. assuming it can be rehabilitated.


John Wright April 15, 2015 10:30 AM
The story is in the same category as SCREWTAPE LETTERS


that's not helpful to your case. Screwtape is considered "Epistolary novel, Christian apologetics, satire".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Screwtape_Letters

Narnia is unquestionably Fantasy. Screwtape is, as i said of "Yes, Virginia", Apologetics Fiction.

which does not in any way make them bad, simply not what i would consider to be Fantasy.

i wouldn't be unhappy to be shouted down on this issue though.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2015 1:28 PM  

For the record, I consider 'Yes Virginia' is not science fiction. Fantasy? If so, it is in what I call 'mainstream fantasy' along with A CHRISTMAS CAROL or IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE.

The reader's interpretation may vary, but the author thought that Virginia was actually traveling to distant places and times. Had it been a vision only, she would have ended up in the store, not in her own home. My wife wanted me to change that ending, and I left it in just for that purpose.

Blogger bob k. mando April 15, 2015 1:32 PM  

John Wright April 15, 2015 1:28 PM
Had it been a vision only, she would have ended up in the store, not in her own home.



good point.

as opposed to "Dinosaur, My Love" which never left the ICU.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2015 1:37 PM  

"by the criteria truFen have established..."

Ah, Mr Bob, by the criteria which awarded 'If You Give a Dinosaur of Cookie' a Nebula, and gave 'Water that Falls on Gay Guys from Nowhere' a Hugo, I would say that the random letters appearing on my computer as a Dacoit assassin throttling me from behind bangs my bleeding skull repeatedly into the keyboard also counts as science fiction.

For that matter, such award winning stories also count as Mystery, as Horror, as Romance, as Postcolonial Railroad Stories, as Hentai Lesbian Samurai Vampire stories, and they also count as Lethargic Antelope Magical Unrealism Banana Glue stories, on the grounds that, in Cloudcuckooland, everything means nothing and nothing means anything.

Putting a toilet in an art museum was meant to be a joke when it was first done in 1912. The art world took it seriously, and put nothing but crap into modern art museums from that day to this.

We don't need such jokes in science fiction.

Anonymous Alexander April 15, 2015 1:52 PM  

I first read that as "A Detroit assassin".

I laughed.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man April 15, 2015 3:09 PM  

How ironic that TNH suggests that the SP/RP supporters should go off and create their own award...and then the other side does just that instead.

I give you...The Mulligans.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2015 4:27 PM  

@Alexander

Ironically, in this case, it was a Dacoit from Detroit. The Si Fan are everywhere.

Blogger Cuca Culpa April 16, 2015 1:59 AM  

>PCMAG
>toxic

Starting to hate that word as much as problematic lately. Guess I'm immune to 'toxic shock syndrome.'

Oh well. Better to burn a Kindle than curse the content.

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