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Friday, April 10, 2015

Perspective


One thing I thought particularly worthy of note is what a small proportion of #GamerGate tweets are in response to the Hugo Awards. And notice that they didn't move up until several days after the initial #SadPuppies spike.

That's what I find so amusing about the SJW panic about those they call "thugs" in their midst. Not even a tenth of #GamerGate is paying any attention at all to the Hugo Awards yet, and that's already enough to send them shrieking and running. This is still a period of calm as far as GG is concerned.

But if the SJWs want to be sure to grab #GamerGate's attention, I suppose a coordinated media blitz full of ludicrous lies about people are an effective way to do it. It certainly isn't anything we haven't seen before.

I do have to give one SJW some credit, however. In addition to urging sanity on the more violence-prone SJWs, Mary Robinette Kowal also has a sense of humor. In response to Patrick Nielsen Hayden learns about the 2015 Hugo Awards, she wrote:

I never thought I'd say this, but you've made me laugh at something you intended to be funny. So, thanks for the chuckle. This was hilariously over the top.




The American Spectator covered the developing story:
The controversy over the Hugo Awards contains elements of a good dystopian science fiction story. Unfortunately, the media brat-fit over the successful effort to rescue escapist fantasy literature from its political pursuers comes not from the pages of Brave New World but from Slate, Salon, and Entertainment Weekly.

Like sports, video games, and cake baking, science fiction strangely finds itself in the crosshairs of ideological killjoys. Perhaps it was only a matter of time and space before the genre obsessed with time and space became a culture-war battlefield.

“To many of the people involved in this industry, politics and message trump entertainment or quality,” Larry Correia, a New York Times-bestselling bard of monster stories, tells The American Spectator. “But most people buy entertainment because they want to be entertained. Many longtime readers fell away because they were tired of being preached at or having their values insulted.”
It's pretty good. It even contains a quote from yours truly. “We believe that the Best Novel award should actually go to the best novels,” Vox Day says of his modest aim. “The best works should be awarded, not only works by the best-connected.”

Who but a lunatic could possibly object to that? And, as I've noted, we can make a powerful objective case that the works awarded this year will be better, by every objective standard, than in recent years.

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85 Comments:

Anonymous RS April 10, 2015 12:06 PM  

Not much of a SF/F fan past Tolkien. And at first, I used to skip through Vox's posts about SF pretty quickly until about 2 years ago.

Glad I started reading them. This has been really, really fun from a pure spectator's POV.

Anonymous Hoppes #9 April 10, 2015 12:12 PM  

I'm with you, RS. This is good stuff for the tactical manual in the culture wars.

Blogger Owen April 10, 2015 12:22 PM  

It's like deviled eggs. I could eat the entire platter and the last one tastes as good as the first one. After, I still want more.

Blogger IM2L844 April 10, 2015 12:25 PM  

Hugo Award 2016

Blogger Karl April 10, 2015 12:25 PM  

Kameron Hurley who won a Hugo last year for a feminist blog post wrote a whole bunch of crap at The Atlantic.

"... it’s no coincidence that many of the people block voting these awards are the same ones sending death threats to women and people of color, sending SWAT teams to the addresses of critics, and hijacking accounts and identities to try and silence those creating more inclusive stories."

Anonymous Brother Thomas April 10, 2015 12:37 PM  

“We believe that the Best Novel award should actually go to the best novels,” Vox Day


That's hate speech! You're so doubly bad evil bad!

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother April 10, 2015 12:46 PM  

Kameron Hurley is defending this writing more inclusive stories. Precious! Kameron should ask herself if anyone really wants to read these stories!

Anonymous Anonymous April 10, 2015 12:46 PM  

woah there vox

grrm has publicly stated "[sad puppies] started this whole thing by saying the Hugo Awards were rigged to exclude them. That is completely untrue, as I believe I demonstrated conclusively in my last post"

see he says he conclusively proved that the hugos were never "rigged" to exclude you. so case closed.

lets totally forget that its not that it was rigged per se but rather that a cohort with power used that power to exclude others. lets not acknowledge that there is a difference between a flaw in the system and a flaw with the people operating the system.

-AmicusC

Anonymous Nathan April 10, 2015 12:52 PM  

Re: Hurley

Really? All we have to do is wave Requires Hate in their faces. That said, the instant someone sends a SWAT team against anyone in fandom is the instant I start religiously voting and nominating No Award in all categories. Because when that happens, it's time to take away the toy.

OpenID okrahead April 10, 2015 12:55 PM  

Vox,
I am aware that the illustrious John C. Wright is currently associated with Castalia House, but last I checked he is still publishing through Tor as well; in point of fact Mr. Wright has a novel coming out in about a month through Tor. Meanwhile, Mr. Wright has garnered a record SIX nominations for the Hugo... yet Tor, or more specifically the Hayden Hydra which has infiltrated Tor as a "glorious parasite" currently seeks to prevent Mr. Wright from reaping the Hugo awards he so richly deserves.
That being the case, at what point is Tor in violation of its contractual obligations to Mr. Wright? Specifically, the Hayden Hydra is attempting to damage Mr. Wright while he is still publishing through their house. How is this not a breach of the fiduciary obligations that Tor has to its authors? And why isn't Tor trumpeting loud and long that one of their writers has a record number on nods?

Anonymous Patrick April 10, 2015 1:06 PM  

"Who but a lunatic could possibly object to that?"
Apparently a whole bin of lunatics could and did object to just that.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 10, 2015 1:08 PM  

I am in the process of Fisking an Amanda Marcotte story on Sad Puppies for my own blog. And I am not sure I can bring myself to finish it.

I am honestly starting to feel like the school yard bully making fun of the mongoloid kid in the safety helmet, that just waddled off the short bus.

I feel dirty here. There is no other way to describe it.

Anonymous Harsh April 10, 2015 1:13 PM  

"... it’s no coincidence that many of the people block voting these awards are the same ones sending death threats to women and people of color, sending SWAT teams to the addresses of critics, and hijacking accounts and identities to try and silence those creating more inclusive stories."

She forgot to mention that we're just a bunch of hating hatey haters who hate.

Anonymous Viidad April 10, 2015 1:15 PM  

I basically quit reading fiction - except for the classics I'd read before - until Castalia House showed up and gave me something good to read again. I've probably read more sci-fi/fantasy in the last year than I have in the last decade. From A Man Disrupted to Awake in the Night Land to Big Boys Don't Cry, I've had plenty more fun that I should be having in this otherwise dark age of literature.

Anonymous Viidad April 10, 2015 1:17 PM  

"I am honestly starting to feel like the school yard bully making fun of the mongoloid kid in the safety helmet, that just waddled off the short bus."

Just remember: that mongoloid kid has also f#$%^$ this culture up beyond all recognition. Queers and cakes, the financial system, the endless wars, the hordes coming over the border, the divorce courts, etc.

That kid needs to be put down.

Release your anger.

Blogger Salt April 10, 2015 1:23 PM  

And why isn't Tor trumpeting loud and long that one of their writers has a record number on nods?

These idiots are proving everything SP/RP says about them.

Anonymous Tom April 10, 2015 1:27 PM  

Viidad,

I second you on the whole reboot of my reading life with Castalia House. It is so nice to be able to read a book knowing it isn't going to be crap. Of course, the style, genre, etc. or Castalia have really meshed well with my own tastes, so that's a big part of it as well.

Blogger Alexander April 10, 2015 1:29 PM  

Don't worry guys. They have their counterattack ready to be launched in two years. What chumps

The embarrassing thing here is to think how much ground we gave way to this parade of parasites.

Anonymous Scintan April 10, 2015 1:45 PM  

And, as I've noted, we can make a powerful objective case that the works awarded this year will be better, by every objective standard, than in recent years.

Not surprisingly, Mr. Martin seems to disagree with you:

"This ballot is the worst I have ever seen, admittedly, and there are stories and writers on it who are not fit to polish a Hugo, much less win one."

Incidentally, he's also fine with "othering" a few as a lesson to the rest:

"But let's not give in to our worst impulses. I do not want to disenfranchise anyone. (Well, okay, maybe a few, rabies is dangerous). "

In the end, people almost all revert to type.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis April 10, 2015 1:48 PM  

You guys gotta read Larry Correia if love the CH stuff. Vox thinks some of his stuff is too "vanilla" but that usually means its perfect for normal people. I just finished all the Monster Hunter books (so far) and I loved them.

Anonymous Trimegistus April 10, 2015 2:03 PM  

I've also wondered about the spectacle of an employee of a publishing company urging people to vote against an author published by that company for an award. Surely that would be grounds for a suit. It's lucky for Patrick et al that John C. Wright is a writer and not a lawyer or something.

Anonymous Dr. J April 10, 2015 2:13 PM  

You guys gotta read Larry Correia if love the CH stuff.

True. Vox previously featured Correia's Hard Magic on his site, which is also quite good.

Mention should go to Jonathan Moeller. Guy is prolific. The Frostborn series is worth a run-through.

As always, John C. Wright has been a revelation, and it's been fun to watch Castalia broadening their author corps so extensively over the past weeks and months.

Anonymous Nathan April 10, 2015 2:16 PM  

Employees. Much of the cry and furor is coming from people connected to Tor. I'm half tempted to buy Wright's Tor books and Sanderson's used and mail them both checks for the cover price directly. I'd rather pay the authors direct than pay for Tor. And yes, I know that will mess up sales figures. It isn't a perfect world or system, but it's hard not to start baying "Tor delenda est..."

Anonymous Dan April 10, 2015 2:22 PM  

Major media needs to be called out repeatedly, again and again, over specific libels and made to issue retractions.Slate and The Atlantic are two recent offenders.

Libel is publishing falsehood in an effort to defame. Libel is illegal.

Of course it is libel to print that there are only white males represented.

But It is also libel to say this is an effort to keep the award away from women and minorities when that is manifestly false, as evidenced by the slates themselves.

That is against the law also.

Attack them for illegally publishing provable falsehoods, thereby committing libel. Do this repeatedly. It forced a retraction from Entertainment Weekly, but this direct and specific charge needs to go against multiple other media outlets making this claim.

Defamation and libel are specific legal terms for something that is against the law, and those terms need to be invoked specifically with support, repeatedly.

Blogger doofus April 10, 2015 2:30 PM  

And why isn't Tor trumpeting loud and long that one of their writers has a record number on nods?

With all respect to Mr. Wright, you can make the case that since all his works nominated were through other venues that this relieves them, somewhat, of their responsibility to maximize the brand. No, the question I have is WTF are these idiots doing trashing The Dark Between the Stars and Kevin J Anderson, which is one of their books, published by them, up for a Best Novel!

Think on that for a few moments. Here you have a senior editor of a publishing house badmouthing (or, at the least, seeming to acquiesce to bad-mouthing) a novel published by his company that is up for "the most prestigious award in science-fiction."

It is absolutely mind-boggling.

Anonymous Nathan April 10, 2015 2:34 PM  

I expect there will be a few sudden quiet vacancies at Tor when this is all said and done like in January.

Blogger Vox April 10, 2015 2:38 PM  

In the words of someone who definitely knows, Tor is not a monolith. We cannot hold all of Tor responsible for the actions of even a Senior Editor, much less a woman who does not even appear to be connected at Tor anymore.

We are not at war with Tor. We are at war with SJWs, some of whom happen to be employed or associated with Tor.

Anonymous Nathan April 10, 2015 2:47 PM  

Understood.

Anonymous Scintan April 10, 2015 2:49 PM  

In the words of someone who definitely knows, Tor is not a monolith. We cannot hold all of Tor responsible for the actions of even a Senior Editor, much less a woman who does not even appear to be connected at Tor anymore.

We are not at war with Tor. We are at war with SJWs, some of whom happen to be employed or associated with Tor.


Tor needs to crack out the broom and sweep out some of the human debris it's currently employing. Sauce for the goose, and all that. It's the only way that people on the left are ever going to understand.

Blogger Student in Blue April 10, 2015 2:54 PM  

And, as I've noted, we can make a powerful objective case that the works awarded this year will be better, by every objective standard, than in recent years.

Unfortunately, I've made this case to someone already (offsite) and they just handwaved it off as 2014 and 2015 "just being a better year for scifi and fantasy than 2010".

Blogger Danby April 10, 2015 2:56 PM  

"And why isn't Tor trumpeting loud and long that one of their writers has a record number on nods?"

Because the stories up for award were all refused for publication by Tor. Because they all touch on religious themes, or are explicitly Christian, they were deemed unsuitable for a modern publishing house.

And that is why Castalia House will win a great many authors to it's stable. They don't seem to be rejecting work because it might offend some Marxist with a women's studies degree. Soon enough, thanks to an intelligent approach to internet sales, you have enough authors in your stable, authors who are BTW paid a greater percentage of their sales, immediately and without creative accounting. That means you are making more net money than your competitors. And publishing better stories.
Eventually you dominate your foes and, as the saying goes in the corporate world, eating their lunch. Unless they adapt and counter. What are the odds of that?

Blogger Lovekraft April 10, 2015 2:58 PM  

"What has fueled concerns is that the domain registrar, a Canadian-based company called Vox Populi, is charging $2,500 for the website names -- far more than a typical website registration of $10 to $25 -- before the names are opened to the public on June 1."

http://news.yahoo.com/sucks-domain-stirs-storm-over-free-speech-103534808.html

Off topic, but shareable. Apparently it's a site using the .sucks appendage.

OpenID okrahead April 10, 2015 3:00 PM  

Tor may not be a monolith, but the corporation is responsible for the conduct of its employees in this matter, especially when the conduct of said employees is detrimental to other employees and the corporation as a whole. If you have a manager in any company who is publicly trying to burn down the careers of other employees and acting in a manner contrary to the corporation's contractual obligations to those employees, then the corporation must either remove that manager or share in the consequences of his actions.

Blogger Mark Citadel April 10, 2015 3:07 PM  

Congratulations on conquering the leviathan

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 10, 2015 3:12 PM  

Does anyone really want any more political correctness? I don't and I voted with my wallet and am glad for it

Blogger Lovekraft April 10, 2015 3:15 PM  

follow-up: that .sucks company is vox popUli, not vox popoli, like this one. Still, worth noting.

Blogger Student in Blue April 10, 2015 3:40 PM  

"If You Were A Dinosaur My Love" was pretty much all the evidence I needed to know the Hugos were broken.

Anonymous Porky April 10, 2015 3:42 PM  

Because the stories up for award were all refused for publication by Tor. Because they all touch on religious themes, or are explicitly Christian, they were deemed unsuitable for a modern publishing house.

Is this true??

Anonymous Just Mark April 10, 2015 3:56 PM  

Objective: Piss off the SJWs and cause them to waste valuable time and effort defending a position I don't give a damn about.

Tactic: Trolling the SJWs with the SJW tactic of righting past wrongs. Correctly identify who should have won various Hugos if the deck hadn't been stacked and publish.

It was just an idea that floated through my head. If it's a bad idea please let me know why because I really would like to be better at 4GW

Blogger John Wright April 10, 2015 4:09 PM  

"Because the stories up for award were all refused for publication by Tor. Because they all touch on religious themes, or are explicitly Christian, they were deemed unsuitable for a modern publishing house."

Uh. No. I floated the idea of selling an anthology to Tor, and they said my sales numbers were insufficient. When Vox Day contacted me out of the blue, it was his suggestion to put out some of my anthologies.

No one ever said 'boo' to me about explicit Christian themes one way or the other.

Sarah Hoyt and other authors have encountered outrageous anti-conservative and anti-christian bigotry, but I have never seen it, and I would not see it even if I did. I don't pay attention to things like that. I write stories.

Blogger John Wright April 10, 2015 4:16 PM  

@ Nathan

"I'm half tempted to buy Wright's Tor books and Sanderson's used and mail them both checks for the cover price directly. "

If there is anything I can say to make you give into that temptation, I shall.

I asked my Tor editor to publicly side with me, and he would not. He is not against me, but he is not for me. I do not mind, and I understand his stance.

But neither do I any more owe Tor any loyalty above and beyond what I an contractually agreed. He did not go to bat for me when he had the chance.

Hence, I do not mind if Tor is cut out of the process.

If you do not need the physical book, I could email you the manuscript directly, and you could pay me through paypal. I will give you a discount.

Blogger John Wright April 10, 2015 4:20 PM  

"That being the case, at what point is Tor in violation of its contractual obligations to Mr. Wright?"

There is no clause in my contract with Tor requiring they control the private conduct or opinions of their employees when they are off the clock.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream April 10, 2015 4:29 PM  

"If you do not need the physical book, I could email you the manuscript directly, and you could pay me through paypal. I will give you a discount. "

John,
check your contract very, very carefully. I would be very surprised if this weren't a violation. If nothing else, the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing arguably prevents you from publicly advertising to your fans that you'd rather they find some other way of buying your fiction than through your publisher. Dunno for sure. I'm not an IP lawyer and I haven't read your contract either. Just saying to be very cautious, cuz I see some red flags.
But at the end of the day, if you're confident in your position, I'd be happy to buy an emailed version from you direct. I'd also agree, and you should insist that I agree, that I won't start sending copies to others or posting it online.

Anonymous Scintan April 10, 2015 5:04 PM  

I asked my Tor editor to publicly side with me, and he would not. He is not against me, but he is not for me. I do not mind, and I understand his stance.

I say this as someone who doesn't know the intimate details of your current contracts, so there could certainly be something blocking a change, but it sounds like it's at least time to get a new editor.

Anonymous Leonidas April 10, 2015 5:24 PM  

I say this as someone who doesn't know the intimate details of your current contracts, so there could certainly be something blocking a change, but it sounds like it's at least time to get a new editor.

He did. The new editor is named "Vox Day."

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus April 10, 2015 5:29 PM  

@ JW

This may be hopelessly naive, Mr Wright, but does your editor have managers that oversee his professional behavior?

Some chain of command that you could climb to express your dissatisfaction?

Is there some level in existence at Tor where commercial and professional concerns actually carry the day?!?

Then again, the fact that PNH and his Slaad Consort are/were longtime employees would strongly suggest otehrwise.

Blogger ray April 10, 2015 5:32 PM  

"Just remember: that mongoloid kid has also f#$%^$ this culture up beyond all recognition....That kid needs to be put down."


Huh? God died and put you in charge? What makes you think God values Your Wonderful Self above the mongoloid kid?

What needs putting down is the matriarchal culture that encourages and funds the career-feminism and late-childbearing (and often fatherless-childbearing) that's normalized and rationalized by that culture. What doesn't need 'putting down' are the products (and often victims) of that godless, degraded culture.

Blogger Blume April 10, 2015 5:35 PM  

You sure because it sure feels like they are at war with me and Jim bean's legacy there.

Anonymous Nathan April 10, 2015 5:39 PM  

@Mr. Wright,

I am quite not yet ready to leap off the precipice, but I am leaning over that edge by a lot. May I contact you directly if and when I take you up on your offer?

Anonymous Lana April 10, 2015 5:39 PM  

I have seen quite a few comments speculating on how the Puppies won and they keep saying 250 Rabid Puppy fans. Anyone know how they are coming up with this number?

Blogger Vox April 10, 2015 6:07 PM  

I have seen quite a few comments speculating on how the Puppies won and they keep saying 250 Rabid Puppy fans. Anyone know how they are coming up with this number?

The number of reported votes in various categories. It's pretty close to my estimate, actually.

Blogger Mark Citadel April 10, 2015 6:11 PM  

The worst thing to do right now would be to rest on laurels. The left never rests, neither should we. This attack on their stolen ground should continue on all fronts. Vox, your galvanization of the #Gamergate scifi fan contacts that were made last year was flawless. They never saw this coming.

I cannot wait until the next front is opened up. As Conservatives lose abysmally on every front they have with the left, Reactionaries are kicking Liberal fat ass all over the map. Why? Because we take no prisoners!

Blogger bub April 10, 2015 6:20 PM  

SJW rabbits reveal their secret weapon

Blogger Rantor April 10, 2015 6:29 PM  

If there is a Rabid Puppies 2, I nominate "Rabid Puppies the Reconquista" for the title. I am enjoying this too much.

Recommend all Dread Ilk who can, join the fun... Even if you just aren't into Science Fiction. Victory is the only option.

Anonymous Viidad April 10, 2015 6:30 PM  

ray: "What needs putting down is the matriarchal culture that encourages and funds the career-feminism and late-childbearing (and often fatherless-childbearing) that's normalized and rationalized by that culture."

You missed the context. Keep up. We're not actually talking about euthanizing the disabled - Cataline previously wrote:

"I am in the process of Fisking an Amanda Marcotte story on Sad Puppies for my own blog. And I am not sure I can bring myself to finish it.

I am honestly starting to feel like the school yard bully making fun of the mongoloid kid in the safety helmet, that just waddled off the short bus.

I feel dirty here. There is no other way to describe it."

I'm on the pro-life side. Dealing with the lies of the feminists is exactly what I was encouraging my fellow poster to do, not murder disabled children.

Similes, allegories, metaphors... these things are complex.

Blogger James Dixon April 10, 2015 6:57 PM  

A picture can be worth a thousand words. It's possible even some of the math illiterate SJW's will see this and begin to understand where their current path leads. But I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Blogger Markku April 10, 2015 7:52 PM  

But neither do I any more owe Tor any loyalty above and beyond what I an contractually agreed. He did not go to bat for me when he had the chance.

Whither this will go, I do not know.

Somewhither.

Anonymous Anonymous April 10, 2015 8:01 PM  

ray April 10, 2015 5:32 PM

Huh? God died and put you in charge? What makes you think God values Your Wonderful Self above the mongoloid kid?


Sarcasm not your strongest suit, eh?
{harry12}

Blogger ray April 10, 2015 8:10 PM  

'The worst thing to do right now would be to rest on laurels. The left never rests, neither should we.'


Absolutely. Few/none of these punks have been in an actual fight, and wouldn't know what to do if they were. All they have known is Winning via group thuggery and cultural terrorism, with across-the- board institutional backing.

They still consider themselves and their ideo-gulag essentially untouchable and unassailable. Let's see if they are.

Blogger John Cunningham April 10, 2015 8:13 PM  

It would be wise to spread the word that one can still buy a supporting membership to Sasquan, get the e-book packet of nominees, and vote for one's choices. the SJWs are no doubt recruiting, we should also.

and, if Theresa Nielsen Hayden is the Toad of Tor, is Patrick NH the Choad of Tor? inquiring minds want to know!!

Blogger John Wright April 10, 2015 8:26 PM  

@ Nathan

Contact me. If you go to this page and scroll down, my email is at the bottom:
http://www.scifiwright.com/

Blogger John Wright April 10, 2015 8:48 PM  

@ Darth Toolpodicus
Q: Mr Wright, but does your editor have managers that oversee his professional behavior?
A: No. Tor Books has a decentralized structure, and the owner manager Doherty has been ill of late, and unable to oversee operations. Mr Hayden does not have a superior to whom I might complain.

Q: Some chain of command that you could climb to express your dissatisfaction?
A: No. However, Mr Kevin J. Anderson has considerable more influence than I, and he might be able to draw the attention of other editors and managers at Tor to this counterproductive and unprofessional behavior.

Q: Is there some level in existence at Tor where commercial and professional concerns actually carry the day?!?
A: No. Tor was bought a few years back by a German concern. They have no interest in nor understanding of the science fiction field.

I used to be a greater fan of capitalism than I am now. The problem with capitalism is that men are not capitalists. They are motivated by spiritual and not material concerns.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 10, 2015 8:53 PM  

And, as I've noted, we can make a powerful objective case that the works awarded this year will be better, by every objective standard, than in recent years

Please answer the question, Mr Day... is A Man Disrupted (4.5) on par with 1984 (4.4) in your opinion?

And please, unlike some comments, no cherry-picking about high school students being the wrong kind of voters.

Anonymous zen0 April 10, 2015 8:54 PM  

@ Cataline Sergius

I am honestly starting to feel like the school yard bully making fun of the mongoloid kid in the safety helmet, that just waddled off the short bus.

Don't wimp out. The worst thing you can do to mongoloids is pander to their disability. Think of the Helen Keller story. You don't want them to wallow in their own filth, do you.


They can learn like anyone else. I use to work in a facility that gave them meaningful employment. I know whereof I speak.

Anonymous zen0 April 10, 2015 8:56 PM  

sending SWAT teams to the addresses of critics,

Wait. You can do that?

I have a list.

Blogger Markku April 10, 2015 8:58 PM  

I used to be a greater fan of capitalism than I am now. The problem with capitalism is that men are not capitalists. They are motivated by spiritual and not material concerns.

Nevertheless, we took the field through capitalism. Granted, it happened later than one might have hoped for. But it is precisely capitalism that allows us to pay bigger percentual royalties than such entities as Tor. We are efficient, they are inefficient.

Granted, loyalty plays a huge part in the process. It is the natural advantage of our side. Put capital brings home the bacon.

Anonymous Scintan April 10, 2015 9:01 PM  

Please answer the question, Mr Day... is A Man Disrupted (4.5) on par with 1984 (4.4) in your opinion?


You seem unable, or unwilling, to grasp the difference between the meaning of "objective" and the meaning of "flawless".

Anonymous Giuseppe April 10, 2015 9:09 PM  

Cataline Sergius,
Soldier through it man. A bit of dirt never killed anyone. Not right away anyway.

Anonymous zen0 April 10, 2015 9:10 PM  

@ Viidad

Similes, allegories, metaphors... these things are complex.

See? that is how one deals with mongoloids. Everything can be a teaching moment.

(even though WE know similies, allegories and metaphors are not THAT complex...)

Figures of Speech however... the Greeks and Romans named hundreds.(so it is said)

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 10, 2015 9:16 PM  

You seem unable, or unwilling, to grasp the difference between the meaning of "objective" and the meaning of "flawless".

You are unable or unwilling to apply your standard beyond the cherry-picking of a goal.

Granted, I expect that Vox won't shy away. And will kindly answer my question before telling me why he thinks I'm completely wrong.

Anonymous DavidKathome April 10, 2015 9:31 PM  

is A Man Disrupted (4.5) on par with 1984 (4.4) in your opinion?

IMO, they are not. 1984 has thousands of reviews and that carries far more weight than the much smaller number of reviews for A Man Disrupted. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.

The Hugo awards are for new novels and other works, which allows a much more level playing field for comparison.

Anonymous zen0 April 10, 2015 9:43 PM  

@ Northern Hamlet

Please answer the question, Mr Day... is A Man Disrupted (4.5) on par with 1984 (4.4) in your opinion?

You tend to agonize over things alot. Are you Danish?

At this time of day/night, Vox is probably backing up his files on an external hard-drive.

Let ME say this about that. 1984 is highly overrated. Originally, it was to be called 1948, but the editor thought it better to make it speculative, rather than descriptive.

The boot in the face has become a fuzzy pink slipper, and the rats merely burnt toast, and the incessant nagging remains however.

Big Sister.

Blogger Danby April 10, 2015 9:47 PM  

is A Man Disrupted (4.5) on par with 1984 (4.4) in your opinion?

Asked a member of Miniluv.

Blogger buwaya puti April 10, 2015 10:35 PM  

Its useful to look at the negative reviews. The Amazon rating for 1984 is heavily skewed by complaints about the Kindle edition, which seems to be abridged and there was apparently some problem with the typesetting.
I find this is typical with Amazon ratings of classics, its often about the format, or even the condition of the used copy. Ratings of new, modern works, mainly in digital form, would be on a more even basis.

Blogger buwaya puti April 10, 2015 10:41 PM  

Ratings for popular or genre works aren't truly comparable to classics for other reasons as well. There is the ubiquitous class of review by schoolchildren, made to read things unwillingly and rated downward in a fit of pique. Etc.
Again, comparisons between similar works in a genre are more valid.

Anonymous FP April 10, 2015 10:57 PM  

500 comment thread on the KiA boards.

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/32493j/george_rr_martin_on_sjws_trying_to_rig_the_hugos/

Good job rabbits.

Anonymous zen0 April 10, 2015 11:03 PM  

@ Northern Hamlet

Please answer the question, Mr Day... is A Man Disrupted (4.5) on par with 1984 (4.4) in your opinion?


The metric in question was graphed starting in 2010.
1984 was published in 1949

It is outside of the comparison parameters.

Duh?

One of the signs of Eristic argument is the universalizing of the particular.

Eristic argument is not dialectic, but rhetorical.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 10, 2015 11:17 PM  

You tend to agonize over things alot. Are you Danish?

Eh, no. I would ask everyone to pardon my rudeness. I've been drinking.

I don't really have a dog in the fight either way.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 10, 2015 11:25 PM  

VD,

If you do decide to respond, I would especially ask that you excuse my rudeness. I'll rein it in now.

You're someone I much respect, and I prefer not to suggest anything otherwise.

Blogger IM2L844 April 11, 2015 12:48 AM  

Me: "Hey, Google, what time is it in Italy?"

Google: "6:44 AM, Saturday, April 11, 2015 (GMT+2) Time in Italy"

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 11, 2015 4:49 AM  

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Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 11, 2015 4:53 AM  

Claire Rosseau huge awards 2015 nom slates, voting no award via her youtube channel. She said Vox is not an editor...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpPU0X7_RZE#t=51

Blogger bob k. mando April 11, 2015 9:20 AM  

LP 999/Eliza April 11, 2015 4:53 AM
Claire Rosseau huge awards 2015 nom slates, voting no award via her youtube channel. She said Vox is not an editor.



*shrugs*

she said lots of stupid shit. she equated voter registration drives to gerrymandering.

you want to debate her, just go back to my sampling size analysis from a couple of threads back.

Hugo noms and ballots are at all time highs and number ~1500 to 2100.

even if we grossly underestimate the number of people who purchase SF/F at 500,000 people the Hugo voting pool amounts to a miserable 4/10s of a percent sample size.

in a voting pool that is both self selected and heavily skewed to industry insiders and pros.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 11, 2015 9:30 AM  

Thank you Bob, edit; huge was meant Hugo. Wasn't drinking, up late on the ps3.

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