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Sunday, April 19, 2015

Population replacement

It's interesting to see how alarm bells are ringing in liberal Minnesotan circles even though Somali immigration has helped the numbers to remain stable:
Casey Sperzel is Minnesotan through and through. She grew up in Maple Grove, went to college at the University of Minnesota, and lived in both St. Paul and Minneapolis. But when the 27-year-old met with a job recruiter last year, she was set on the Pacific Northwest.

“I don’t think I’ll be back,” said Sperzel, now with a Seattle ad agency.

States are scrambling for young professionals like Sperzel to help offset the wave of baby boomer retirements. Minnesota is falling behind in that competition. The state has lost residents every year since 2002, with young adults most eager to leave. About 9,300 18- to 24-year-olds move out annually, according to the Minnesota State Demographic Center.

That — combined with a declining birthrate and an aging population — has demographers and civic leaders sounding alarms.

“It’s a lapel-grabbing moment,” said Peter Frosch, a vice president at Greater MSP, a St. Paul nonprofit focused on economic development in the Twin Cities metro.

Over the next 15 years, more Minnesotans will retire than in the past six decades combined, resulting in a labor shortage that is unprecedented since the end of World War II. By 2020, the state is forecast to have a shortage of more than 100,000 workers.... Each year, 113,000 people leave Minnesota and go to another state, while about 101,000 move here from another state. Were it not for strong international migration, Minnesota’s overall population would be falling.
I left Minnesota in my twenties after founding a Billboard-charting band, a music company, and my first computer game company.  But don't worry, thanks to "strong international migration", I'm sure there is an Somali gentleman with an 85 IQ who is doing an admirable job of taking my place there. I have no doubt that he will continue to do so as long as he doesn't wind up joining Al Shabaab and blowing himself up at the Megamall or somewhere in Africa.

After all, everyone is equal, and if they're not, they are inevitably transformed by the magic of geographical translocation. That's why the 20th century America was exactly like 15th century America that was inhabited only by my Native American ancestors.

I'm glad I grew up in then-Minnesota. It was a wonderful place for a child despite the cold winters. But despite the certain improvements that have taken place by virtue of the many blessings of Diversity and Vibrancy, I have no desire to live in now-Minnesota.

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Blogger FALPhil April 19, 2015 8:45 AM  

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Blogger Chris Mallory April 19, 2015 8:58 AM  

"despite the cold winters."

People who live in places that are habitable call those months "August through June" .

Anonymous NateM April 19, 2015 9:11 AM  

Over the next 15 years, more Minnesotans will retire than in the past six decades combined, resulting in a labor shortage that is unprecedented since the end of World War II. By 2020"

Yes, i'm sure Boomer Managed companies wouldn't still find a way to disqualify those 20 somethings from those positions if they stayed, claiming they lacked the experience.

Anonymous Ecthelion April 19, 2015 9:19 AM  

Minnesota was a wonderful place to grow up. The environment in which I grew up is no longer there; if I moved my family back, my kids would walk the same sidewalks, would play in the same parks, and swim in the same lakes, yet only the names would be the same. Visiting in the summer gives them a glimpse of what it was, what it was like growing up as child then, running around under a twilight that seemingly lasts forever, but no more. I only want to briefly stay when I visit. It's become too claustrophobic, the fresh air of yesteryear replaced by a weighted atmosphere that is smothering the joys of the past.

It is not those who have come that bear the blame for this; they were invited to the promise of a better life. It is those who made the invitations, those who thought they knew best how to guide Minnesota into a new time, who have wrought this. Too bad too many of them are the ones retiring and moving to warmer climes.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey April 19, 2015 9:28 AM  

The whole country is becoming like this.

Let those who remain suffer from the effects of Diversity.

This is going to be fun.

Blogger Shimshon April 19, 2015 9:36 AM  

Being of a similar age, and having grown up in California in the 1970s and 1980s (and moved to Israel in the early 1990s), I totally concur. It was a great place then, with far better weather! Most people are incredulous when I tell them, but CA was a fairly conservative state, having gone Republican in 6 out of 7 presidential elections prior to Clinton 92. Not that I put my stock in Republicans, but it was a good indicator of a far saner place. Absolutely no interest in living there now, and other than my father (who is still there), not even an interest in visiting.

OpenID simplytimothy April 19, 2015 9:36 AM  

Over the next 15 years, more Minnesotans will retire than in the past six decades combined, resulting in a labor shortage that is unprecedented since the end of World War II.

Why is the focus always on 'work' and 'employment' and 'labor' and 'companies' and never (rarely) on civilization, community, quality of life. The underlying assumption is that we exist to staff a company or an office.

We do not.



Anonymous Laz April 19, 2015 9:37 AM  

"The whole country is becoming like this."

Truth.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey April 19, 2015 9:44 AM  

I think the rot set in in earnest around 1988-1990.

Blogger cavalier973 April 19, 2015 9:47 AM  

I have said for some time that I wouldn mind moving back to Memphis, TN--if it were the same place that it was when I grew up there. I don't know if the city has the same immigration situation As Minnesota, but a lot of the same mentality permeates the city government. They dissolved the city school board and turned the administration of the public schools over to the state due to the extreme corruption and poor performance.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey April 19, 2015 10:00 AM  

California in the 1970s and 1980s

California--particularly Southern California--in the 1970s and 1980s was awesome.

*surfing at the Wedge, HB, and Bolsa Chica,

*body surfing Little Corona

*beach parties

*skateboarding down Spyglass Hill chased by the cops

*catching snakes and lizards and collecting old cattle bones in the San Joaquin hills

*seemingly endless pool parties with the neighbors

*hanging out at Mother's Beach and 2nd Street in Belmont Shore

*cute tanned girls with long blonde hair

*punk and New Wave

*OP shorts

*long hair

*blonde people everywhere...


Of course, the old-timers will tell you that Southern California in the 1950s and 1960s was the true Golden Age.

Anonymous Axe Head April 19, 2015 10:01 AM  

Shimson: I remember the election of 1986 (I think) when we recalled not one, not two, but three California Supreme Court judges for being soft on criminals.

Anonymous H2 April 19, 2015 10:03 AM  

@Shimshon

You may find this Disney Sing-Along video from 1990 about Disneyland nostalgic. I doubt the kids at Disneyland look the same now.

Anonymous Dr. J April 19, 2015 10:06 AM  

Vox - were there warning signs around the time of "Minnesota-then?" I mean, apart from being the only state to vote for Mondale.

Living here, my theory has been that some sort of Scandanavian brain disease results in suicidally idiotic liberalism as its primary manifestation. One can see it in its unmutated form in modern Sweden.

Blogger Shimshon April 19, 2015 10:12 AM  

Laguna Beach Fogey, I didn't say the 70s and 80s were the "Golden Age," but they were definitely still pretty sweet.

Axe Head, I do remember that election. What I also remember is state budget surpluses, and even tax rebates.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 19, 2015 10:13 AM  

In Tibet they call "population replacement" genocide. And by the 1948 UN Convention on Genocide one of the clauses invoked is if a group is not allowed a group defense, sound familiar?

If you cut thru the propaganda by first realizing it is nothing but then you can begin to work on the Moral level of War, but if the other side spews its rhetoric and you tag along trying to intellectualize and legitimize the rhetoric, well you will never ever come close to the Moral level of war.

Anonymous PA April 19, 2015 10:13 AM  

Not sure if the importation of Somalians is a function of the character of Minnesotans as such. The federal government works with local church or nonprofit front groups all over the country to settle Africans in various parts of the United States. Africans are dumped in many other states -- Maine, Wyoming, and so on.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey April 19, 2015 10:15 AM  

Laguna Beach Fogey, I didn't say the 70s and 80s were the "Golden Age,"

I didn't say you did, jewboy.

Anonymous anonymous coward April 19, 2015 10:20 AM  

In Tibet they call "population replacement" genocide.
Who's "they"?

Blogger john black April 19, 2015 10:23 AM  

"In Tibet they call "population replacement" genocide.
Who's "they"?"

The Dalai Lama for one.

Anonymous Fp April 19, 2015 10:30 AM  

"California--particularly Southern California--in the 1970s and 1980s was awesome."

Second that. Good times.

Anonymous Homesteader April 19, 2015 10:32 AM  

Symptoms of a declining empire, notable for the speed and comprehensiveness of that decline. Gibbon would be fascinated.

Blogger bob k. mando April 19, 2015 10:49 AM  

and while we're busy trying to throw 'racists' out of the WorldCon, i think it useful to note that none other than Will Shetterly has been accused BY A PERSON OF COLOR of racist speech
http://fanlore.org/wiki/RaceFail_%2709#More_derails:_Will_Shetterly_and_Coffeeandink

Anonymous omar's running shoes April 19, 2015 10:56 AM  

I thought that automation and robotics would replace all the old jobs and that the immigrants who do the jobs Americans don't want would take care of the rest. What then is the problem?

From the article-

“People who are migrating away to other states are moving to something, not away.”

Far out man, like an atom, in my hand, is like an entire universe with other hands filled with other tiny atoms, man.

The lack of any thought- not even logic, just thought, period is overwhelming. The guy says- in the same sentence- "people who are migrating away" are "not going away" because they are going to. It's like, all in your perception, man.

OpenID simplytimothy April 19, 2015 10:57 AM  

How the heck to Somalis survive the winter in Minnesota? I am from Florida and the freaking Mason-Dixon line might just as well be the artic-freaking-circle to my southern bones.

Anonymous Brian April 19, 2015 11:06 AM  

I don't know where they got the idea that Boomers will be retiring. They won't. Not a chance in hell. I work with at least half a dozen who plan on collecting SS and working as many hours as they possibly can. They don't have a clue how to fill their empty lives except to go to work to buy meaningless shit. The phrase they use is "it gets me out of the house." It's going to get a lot tougher for teens to find part-time jobs in the next 10-15 years: all the Boomers will be occupying them. Immigrants and teenagers may work cheaper, but they don't come with an age discrimination lawsuit.

Anonymous Anonymous April 19, 2015 11:18 AM  

"How the heck to Somalis survive the winter in Minnesota?"

Mostly in taxpayer funded high rises down by the river.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 19, 2015 11:48 AM  

My first live Somali sighting was a women working at a Holiday Express in Lexington, Nebraska courtesy of the meat packing industry. A lovely bit of 19th century labor utilization in desperate need of modernization, but won't because of the Left/Right political industrial corruption industry.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 19, 2015 12:07 PM  

I'm sure there is an Somali gentleman with an 85 IQ who is doing an admirable job of taking my place there.

That's unfair Vox. A +3 or 4 StdDev Somali would have an IQ closer to 105. Why, he'd almost be smart enough to keep a sewage treatment plant running, assuming someone else had already built it

Anonymous GunShowTrash April 19, 2015 12:09 PM  

You're all missing it. A big part of the problem is called Peter Frosch. His job is "economic development." He accomplishes this thru "lapel grabbing moments." These "moments" are "non-profit." I suspect Mr Frosch is paid a salary for this work.

How all that entices youth to stay and pursue productive work is not explained.

Also: Once had a Somali supervisor on the factory floor at a window hardware manufacturer. Every. Somali. Is. Crazy.

Anonymous Soviet of Washington April 19, 2015 12:27 PM  

Mrs. Soviet and I went to one of the Malls in Ms. Sperzel's adopted hometown last night (Northgate for any locals). While she was shopping a smaller store, I went out and sat in the mall and watched the diversity go by. I'd estimate equal numbers white and muslim (many Somali-type), about 20% each. No wonder the Mrs. makes me walk 3-4 steps behind her after several friends had purses picked there. Ms. Sperzel may have just jumped to another frying pan.

Anonymous Anubis April 19, 2015 12:32 PM  

"I'm sure there is an Somali gentleman with an 85 IQ who is doing an admirable job of taking my place there."

According to the global bell curve and IQ & the wealth of nations US blacks have an average IQ of 85, Somalia has had Doctors Without Borders flee its borders and several African nations have average IQs in the 50s-60s. That 85IQ Somali is an Einstein among his people

"Mostly in taxpayer funded high rises down by the river. "

Another reason for O-Holes war on coal is that blacks are not smart or reliable enough to live in a house heated with coal.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 19, 2015 12:35 PM  

Yep, California was a great place thirty years ago, and it was a farily conservative state. Hard to be perfectly sure what happened, but I think it was something along these lines:

-Propserity made people fat and happy. There was so much wealth, growth and opportunity that it was easier to tolerate a growing government sector than to fight it. Pay a little money and make the unpleasant, screaming liberals go away? Sure, we had money, and time spent fighting them was time not spent at the beach or the lake. Well, that's the problem with paying the Danegeld, eh?

-The political parties were captured by utter hacks earlier than in most of the rest of the country. The CA GOP became a bunch of timeserver Chamber of Commerce type parasites, and the Democrats were out and out corruptikrats. Gray Davis is probably the epitome of politician incapable of anything but graft.

-Immigration from the east coast. An astonishing number of northeast liberals moved to southern California.

-Immigration from Mexico. They took over a lot of the jobs that young not-yet-skilled white guys would've done as teenagers and in their early twenties. The sort of jobs that teach a kid responsibility and build work habits. The immigrants had kids who were then citizens and thirty years later were voting. The GOP mishandled the immigration fight with Prop 187 and ended up looking both ineffective and racists. They haven't done well since.

California is a microcosm of the country, and was simply able to kick the can faster down the road than the country as a whole. Minnesota's turn now, everybody soon.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 19, 2015 12:44 PM  

Of course, the old-timers will tell you that Southern California in the 1950s and 1960s was the true Golden Age.

I was in southern California in the 80's and 90's, and it felt like a beautiful but fading dream. I could sense what used to be, and as nice as it was, it was a remnant of what it had been. Tolkien's elvish kingdoms in LoTR. But no ships are waiting for us at the Grey Havens.

Anonymous Will Best April 19, 2015 12:45 PM  

The phrase they use is "it gets me out of the house." It's going to get a lot tougher for teens to find part-time jobs in the next 10-15 years: all the Boomers will be occupying them. Immigrants and teenagers may work cheaper, but they don't come with an age discrimination lawsuit.

The median household over 65 has very little assets outside their primary residence and social security check. They can't afford to retire. My boomer neighbor is targeting 72. Meanwhile, I am on pace for 57-58 on the conservative side, and 51-52 on the aggressive side. Not that I particularly plan on retiring that early, just that I plan on having that option. Plus if something horrible happens my family will be able to weather it whereas most families will get wiped out.

Anonymous Rolf April 19, 2015 12:52 PM  

When a government officials and taxpayer funded "non-profits" talks about "labor shortage," what they really mean is that their policies are driving people willing to work hard and pay taxes away, and attracting to many parasites. If they stop with the social engineering attempts, and let failure punish itself, then it would all work itself out just fine.

Blogger olaf lee April 19, 2015 12:57 PM  

Tim,
If there is no production then the quality of life drops like a rock. Labor equates to taxable income. If the companies cannot find talent they leave and then you left will lower paying service industry jobs. It all falls apart from there.

Anonymous The other robot April 19, 2015 1:09 PM  

Even blacks are not too happy when population replacement is practiced by other blacks.

Blogger Corvinus April 19, 2015 1:27 PM  

Also: Once had a Somali supervisor on the factory floor at a window hardware manufacturer. Every. Somali. Is. Crazy.

Muslim men are assholes. Minnesota also has some Ethiopians, but they seem to cause far less trouble.

Not sure if the importation of Somalians is a function of the character of Minnesotans as such. The federal government works with local church or nonprofit front groups all over the country to settle Africans in various parts of the United States. Africans are dumped in many other states -- Maine, Wyoming, and so on.

A lot of these "refugees" are serviced by LIARS (Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service). Not sure of the exact relationship between LIARS and Minnesota, but MN does have a lot of Lutherans.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 19, 2015 1:29 PM  

You may find this Disney Sing-Along video from 1990 about Disneyland nostalgic. I doubt the kids at Disneyland look the same now.

I just got back from Disneyland. The kids look a lot different. In particular:

-More Mexicans and Indians(dot, not feather).
-More fat girls.
-Fewer boys.
-Fewer kids in general. Lots and lots of tatooed manatees in their late teens and early twenties, generally wearing clothes that emphasize the worst aspects of their tattooed manateeness.
-People walking around with their nose burried in their cell phone. Seriously, you paid $100 to get into a park designed by skilled artists to be visually appealing, and you're looking at your damn phone? While walking through a crowd and getting in people's way.
-Parents shoving thier spawn around in oversized strollers. The astonishing amount of selfishness displayed by these people bringing doublewide, extra long strollers into a crowded public space - a perfect example of the tragedy of the commons. Fucking idiots who can't be bothered to self-govern their behavior and expect everyone else to accomodate them.


We still had a great time, and my kids (thin, tall, blonde, non-tattooed) thought it was awesome. But many of our fellow guests weren't so awesome.

One other thing that struck me was the number of fat people in motorized scooters, including one fucker who went flying through the hotel lobby full of little kids at about 20mph. Some of them were elderly, but many weren't. It really hit home when I say another guy, looked like mid 50's, missing one leg. He was using crutches and had a smile on his face.

Anonymous Cash April 19, 2015 1:40 PM  

Damn this is kind if depressing.

Where to go then? I like the civilised finer things in life in a non giant city. Where to go then?

To quite Gran Torino "you would think the cold would keep all the idiots out."

Anonymous Difster April 19, 2015 2:01 PM  

I too left Minnesota in my 20's and I'm about a year older than VD. If I recall correctly, I left on July 2nd, 1990.

I still have friends there but no family. I haven't been back there in almost 14 years. I certainly can't imagine moving back there and I don't mean because of the cold.

For now, I'll stick to the southern end of I-35

Anonymous joe doakes April 19, 2015 2:03 PM  

Somali immigrants aren't like previous bunches.

French-speaking Quebecois fur trappers paddling down the Mississippi to sell hides had to unload canoes at St. Anthony Falls and ox-cart them overland to Pigs Eye Landing where the tanners were. The Nice People of St. Paul banished the Frog-talkers to the suburb of Frogtown, where they settled in to become Americans no less than those other foreigners in Swede Hollow.

Blacks moved to free state Minnesota during and after The Late Unpleasantness, rented crappy houses in Frogtown as the descendants of immigrants moved to nicer neighborhoods, didn't accomplish much beyond menial jobs and welfare checks.

Vietnamese boat people arrived after that fiasco, bought the Frogtown shacks to live 20 to a room, opened restaurants and groceries among the car lots and muffler shops on University Avenue, transformed the neighborhood into "Little Mekong" which is going strong.

Somali men are taxi drivers and women are Wal-Mart clerks but live in their own neighborhoods in Minneapolis. They didn't come here to become Americans, they came here to be Somalis without getting shot at. They insist on traditional clothing, forced the Y to change swimming hours for Women Only, fought the taxi commission over taking blind passengers . . . it's not assimilation, it's conquest.

Anonymous Supernaut April 19, 2015 2:03 PM  

Same story out here in the 50th State Inc in the middle of the Pacific. Except, instead of a Somali invasion, we have Micronesians being immigrated into our islands at a similar ratio.

Many folks don't notice because we already have had almost a century head start over the USA with mass immigrant miscegenation, so the blend of white, yellow and brown is already overly-vibrant...but if you talk to the right people - Law Enforcement and health care public health officials - these third world newcomers are certainly having an impact.

More specifically, the Micronesians are nearly all on welfare housing and food stamp roles, get "free" medical care, and have brought a literal plague of diseases that were supposed to be "eradicated" from first world vaccination regiments.

I caught Whooping Cough 5 years ago (and yes, I was vaccinated according to the CDC schedule as a kid), and we have Tuberculosis, Measles and here's a new one - Rat Lung Worm disease. The news recently reported a "rat lung worm" outbreak with sources "unknown," but if you go to the Hawaii news websites comment boxes, everyone knows all these diseases are being imported by the "Micros."

The cops I know all HATE these new immigrants and their criminal gang activities engaged in petty crimes, robberies and thievery in the tourist districts of Waikiki, and the public health workers lament the rise in incest and pedophilia (it's endemic to their culture).

Our media is now doing a full court blitz of progressive vibrancy programming and "anti-racism" public service announcements, lamenting the the poor Micronesians suffering discrimination and racism in Hawaiian society.

Funny, isn't it? In every corner of nearly all "first world" countries, we have the same thing happening - the importations of "culturally diverse," disease ridden, criminal-prone, 85 IQ - mean and sanitation-challenged populations. Somalis in Minnesota, Camel Jockeys in Dearborn, Mestizos in the South West and a wave of Micronesians in Hawaii.

It's almost like it's a conspiracy or something...

Oh sweet vibrancy!

Blogger kurt9 April 19, 2015 2:06 PM  

Laguna Beach Fogey,

I moved to SoCal in 1985 and experienced the tail-end of what you're describing. Yes, the 80's was glorious and I loved the place. And you're not kidding about the hot women, especially the long-haired blondes.

However, the place was already undergoing change even then. The beach party scene depicted in late 70's and early 80's movies (as well as Fast Times at Ridgemont High) was already being replaced by a more well-healed yuppish social scene that revolved more around the nightclubs and restaurants. The housing prices were going through the roof at this time as well, making it less affordable to families. I would say that the late 80's ('88 and '89) was sort of the last hurrah of what you described.

I visited there in '99 for a couple of months and travelled there often in the '06 to '07 period for work. The place is totally different today.

OpenID simplytimothy April 19, 2015 2:11 PM  

If there is no production then the quality of life drops like a rock.

On word: Amish.

Note: I am not arguing against building 'stuff'. I like stuff. I want more of it--an airplane or two or three, a tractor, a 4-wd diesel pickup Most of the product line from FNH USA, a 3-Axis CNC machine, multiple power sources, pole-barn, etc...

You don't get that 'stuff' by selling out your people for a quick buck on the margin. You get that stuff with huge up-front investments in the child and then the man--you 'build' quality people first and you will get quality stuff later (if you want it)

No I cannot prove this and no, I do not have an econometric model showing it is so. I can only point to the history of these several states, where sound money in the 1800's led to the greatest expansion of human well being in history (and, more importantly) we created excellent humans along the way.

'We' know how to produce 'stuff' in abundance and the QOL is not correlating.


Blogger kurt9 April 19, 2015 2:13 PM  

sanitation-challenged populations

Great one, that!

I'll remember this phrase.

Blogger RobertT April 19, 2015 2:16 PM  

Sounds like Now Colorado.

Blogger Corvinus April 19, 2015 2:18 PM  

@Supernaut

Micronesians, huh? At least there aren't more than a couple hundred thousand of them. The supply of Somalis available to soil up Nordic areas is pretty much endless due to their astronomically high birth rates and typical Muslim inability to build a functioning country above the inbred tribal level.

And you're not kidding about the hot women, especially the long-haired blondes.

@kurt9 @Fogey
From what I gather about hot California blondes, there are still some in SoCal in the Orange County-San Diego belt. (Northern California whites by contrast seem to be heavily hippies.) Otherwise, a lot seem to have been flushed out into Arizona and Nevada (read: Las Vegas).

Anonymous Aeoli April 19, 2015 2:35 PM  

I'm moving out of Minnesota tomorrow, now that you mention it. Shame, it's a beautiful state, but the suicide cult is getting out of hand. Worth reconquering and resettling later though.

Moving to Indiana. Ugly flatland, but less Scanditarded Lutherans.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 19, 2015 3:03 PM  

They didn't come here to become Americans, they came here to be Somalis without getting shot at.

Do you suppose if it ever occurs to them that the reasons they get shot at have more to do with living as and with Somalis than with living in Somalia? No, probably not. I think it's occuring to a few other folks however.

Anonymous Sheila April 19, 2015 3:16 PM  

I doubt there is an American alive over the age of 35 who doesn't recall his childhood through somewhat halcyon-tinted lenses. While I recall the good and the bad, there's no question but that it was a distinctly different country. An entirely different environment peopled with a different race and a dramatically different culture. One that I mourn daily.

Steve Sailer had a post last week about an immigrant's review of Masha Gessen's (repulsive Jewish lesbian) book about Boston bomber Tsarnaev. In the course of the comments (Sailer's now resembles a Jewish circle jerk), an immigrant chimed in to lament the fate of the poor immigrant, cut off from his home and history (see comment #28, by Merema). This occasioned quite a few heartfelt American responses, in similar language - to wit, Kylie, comment #120:

"America was a wonderful country.

Still I cannot explain the sadness and disorientation CITIZENS BORN HERE IN AMERICA feel at the loss of their past, their identity when they realize that their own government has allowed unchecked immigration to turn the country of their youth into a very different country. It is a sadness and disorientation that many of us did not expect when we grew up here. The calamity of unchecked immigration made the country we grew up in into an alien world, and our childhoods, our lives seems like a distant fading dream. The one thing that makes you truly give up hope is the knowledge that your country, acting as a host country, favors the immigrants it lets in over its own citizens and is overtly hostile to who you are."

Blogger Matt April 19, 2015 3:21 PM  

Are the giant mosquitoe reports blown out of proportion?

Blogger kurt9 April 19, 2015 3:38 PM  

Corvinus,

I don't know about now. But I can tell you the beach scene in LA county, all the way to Zuma beach, had become a lot more Hispanic and Asian by 2007. Malibu beach (which was hottie north in the 80's) was mostly Asian families in 2007. Same for Zuma beach, which was always more family oriented than Malibu and other beaches.

The southern end, Huntington and south in OC, has become more "Persian", especially Newport beach (which was hottie south in the 80's). There are still lots of hot white women on the beaches of southern OC and on down. However, there are fewer of them and the scene is long gone.

I think a big part of the decline is due to the disappearance of manufacturing industry from SoCal. Even as late as the 1980's there was a considerable manufacturing industry in SoCal. Most of it was pushed out due to excessive taxation and regulation.

One thing that has improved is the air quality. There is much less smog in SoCal today than there was in the 1980's.

Blogger Cecil Henry April 19, 2015 4:01 PM  

Our culture has been watered down and sold out for profit, envy and anti-white hatred.

Really what is there to be proud of? We are not supposed to have a culture anymore. Everyday the news media brainwashes us that we have “multiculturalism”: Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White countries for EVERYONE! — all at the expense of this civilization. Refugees, ‘single mothers’, the drug addicted all wander the streets collecting welfare, ESL, ODSP and whatever other free socialist services they can avail–its a growth industry!. Others are in subsidized apartments collecting benefits, ‘child care’, ‘free’ health care or going out and working on the side.

I would sooner one go to Northern Ontario than bring them to Toronto or Vancouver. It is a ugly cesspool and there is nothing Canadian about such places. The sad part is that it is spreading like a disease all across the Country. Even cities in the interior are starting to turn into non Canadian zones. If we don’t stop this soon the entire Country will be gone. When I see people wearing a Canada hat or t-shirt, waving a Canadian flag or cheering for the Canadian hockey team, honestly I cringe and look the other way. I think what a bunch of delusional idiots. What are they celebrating? The destruction of this beautiful nation our European ancestors built? They are being cheated.

Now it has turned into some multi-ethnic communistic dumping ground. First 5% ‘diversity’ becomes 10%, then 20%, then 50% then 100% ‘diversity’!!! Diversity means chasing down the last white person. Nobody’s flooding Africa with Non-Africans and giving them free health care, affirmative action and special privileges. Only White Countries are doing it, only White children are affected, and only White politicians are allowing it. This IS White Genocide. It’s a crime.

Blogger olaf lee April 19, 2015 4:19 PM  

Tim,
If there is no production then the quality of life drops like a rock. Labor equates to taxable income. If the companies cannot find talent they leave and then you left will lower paying service industry jobs. It all falls apart from there.

Anonymous TroperA April 19, 2015 4:24 PM  

Not sure if the importation of Somalians is a function of the character of Minnesotans as such. The federal government works with local church or nonprofit front groups all over the country to settle Africans in various parts of the United States. Africans are dumped in many other states -- Maine, Wyoming, and so on.

In MN at least, religious organizations are hauling Somalians in by the truckload in exchange for huge amounts of federal dollars. Those in charge of the religious charities get six-figure salaries. The taxpayers get to foot the bill and deal with the social and economic fallout.

I can't see how it is all that charitable to import sub-Saharan people with no experience living in a First World country to the middle of the frozen tundra. If SHTF and the electricity goes out in wintertime, these folks will probably be at the bottom of the starvation/disease body pile....

Blogger Werekoala1066 April 19, 2015 4:44 PM  

Everyone nationally is focused on the south-of -the-border incursion, without noticing the multi-national aspect of immigration and the effect it is having across the country. I lived in Utah from '04 - '09 and then (and now) the majority of the violent crime and welfare drain comes from Tongan immigrants and their gang-like behavior. It's not just an Hispanic problem, we're being balkanized even in the most remote and "conservative" states by newcomers from across the globe...

OpenID cailcorishev April 19, 2015 4:55 PM  

Yeah, "labor shortage" means "We're not sure who's gonna fund all these programs we keep creating." It also means, "Next time Wal-Mart opens a new store here, the line of applicants for jobs may be only a block long instead of a mile, and they might even have to pay a competitive wage."

Never mind that the two goals implied by those concerns are contradictory.

Blogger Corvinus April 19, 2015 5:18 PM  

In MN at least, religious organizations are hauling Somalians in by the truckload in exchange for huge amounts of federal dollars.

Yeah, I've heard about the refugee industry and how it's subsidized by Fedgov. This refugee industry needs to be destroyed.

Blogger bob k. mando April 19, 2015 5:30 PM  

Matt April 19, 2015 3:21 PM
Are the giant mosquitoe reports blown out of proportion?


they won't fly away with your dog, but they are pretty damn big and aggressive.

Blogger Ben April 19, 2015 5:49 PM  

Vox, it's worth noting, that the immigrant situation is largely confined to the twin cities, and especially in Minneapolis. Where I am, in Saint Paul, there is a greater concentration of Hmong. That's s a similar problematic immigrant situation, though at this stage they seem a bit more receptive to assimilation, and to the ideals of America. Time will tell I suppose. I don't intend to stay here and find out.

I wouldn't mind staying in the state, providing one gets as far away from the cities as possible before it's too late. I don't mind the cold. I love the woods. But once the money for subsidized heating bills runs out, there's going to be one large, cold, pissed off mob, and idiot liberals who stay here will suddenly find themselves in Little Mogadishu with no guns and no gas to escape in their hybrid vehicles...

Blogger rumpole5 April 19, 2015 6:38 PM  

"They don't have a clue how to fill their empty lives"

@ Brian:

This Boomer has been retired for some years and it's GREAT! Now go out and earn some money to pay my SS when I get around to claiming it at age 70. And by the way, produce some crumbcrunchers to take your place when we Boomers have sucked YOU dry - VD will explain how to do that properly on his Alpha Game blog if you are still in Mom's basement.

Blogger Corvinus April 19, 2015 6:47 PM  

Where I am, in Saint Paul, there is a greater concentration of Hmong. That's s a similar problematic immigrant situation, though at this stage they seem a bit more receptive to assimilation, and to the ideals of America. Time will tell I suppose.

The Hmong may be Southeast Asian hillbillies, but they aren't Muslim, so I'm far more optimistic about them than the Somalis.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 19, 2015 6:49 PM  

I've said it before, the USA needs an immigration holiday. About 20 years worth.

Blogger Robert What? April 19, 2015 7:00 PM  

The real reason the State commissars are concerned is because they are worried about who is going to pay their lavish pensions 10-15 years down the road. They've done everything they can to make the tax paying productive class feel unwelcome. Now they may be realizing that they are ultimately screwing themselves.

OpenID cailcorishev April 19, 2015 7:29 PM  

I think an immigration holiday would be an easy sell, especially in the battleground states, if there were a major politician or party who wanted to sell it. All the nice Midwestern whites I know balk if you criticize immigration in general; they've entirely absorbed the Ellis Island myth. But they're also pro-assimilation, and they have no problem understanding that assimilation takes time and separation from the old country. They can understand and get behind the idea that an immigration holiday would help the ones already here to assimilate, not to mention give the economy time to produce a few jobs before trying to fill them with new people.

It might not be an entirely honest argument, but it could be a winning one.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 19, 2015 9:36 PM  

I don't think these stupid fuckers have thought this through. They need us, but they're just parasites and dead weight. There is little or no real carrying capacity in the urban jungle. All the calories come in on trucks. Collapse the economy and these diversities have no idea where the food comes from or where to go. A week of riots and they starve. Complete demographic reversal to 90% White could happen in six or seven days just by having the convenience stores stay empty!

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 19, 2015 9:39 PM  

"It's almost like it's a conspiracy or something"...~ Have you heard about the UN Refugee Resentment program
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/04/18/obamas-diabolical-propaganda-campaign-to-force-communities-to-welcome-migrant-seedlings-unveiled-yesterday-in-washington/

"California is a microcosm of the country, and was simply able to kick the can faster down the road than the country as a whole. Minnesota's turn now, everybody soon. "

Lets not forget that the illegal aliens counted by the census give CA more extra false electoral votes that can override the entire NW redoubt. With non citizens counting towards extra seats its actually the reverse of Rotten Burroughs that leftists cry about..

"Living here, my theory has been that some sort of Scandanavian brain disease results in suicidally idiotic liberalism as its primary manifestation."

The problem is until you actually encounter die verse city you believe what you have been told in school. I grew up in a town so white people would leave their cars running when they went into convenience stores. I left the town believing in equalism & that my grandparents were wrong about blacks. The fact that kids are in school 8 hours a day for 180days a year means they can be told lots of fairy tales and only harsh contact with reality can change it. That said Somoli Moslems are being flown into the US on the taxpayers expense & being put on 40+ taxpayer paid benefits . https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/refugee-resettlement-fact-sheets/

Anonymous Oswald Spengler April 19, 2015 9:51 PM  

After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers' Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

Blogger pdwalker April 19, 2015 10:18 PM  

Cecil Henry,

I left Canada almost 3 decades ago. Every few years, I fly back to visit remaining family and that often takes me through Toronto.

I do not recognize the place anymore. When I left, it was mostly white. Now? When I go through the airport, I look for the white people. They are scarce on the ground. The number of non whites is staggering. It is no longer a Canadian city.

East Asians are smarter. They do not allow such immigration and their cities have not changed that much.

If Minnesotan is like Toronto, then they shall reap what they sow.

Blogger Ragin' Dave April 19, 2015 11:00 PM  

One of my troops was born and raised in Minnesota. Loved it. Left it because the apartment complex across from him became little Somalia, and his wife and daughters weren't safe anymore.

Blogger Cuca Culpa April 20, 2015 12:23 AM  

pdwalker:

I got out of Toronto a few years ago and have never been happier. Fortunately by the grace if God I have the means to live in a small Maritime town where unemployment is around 20% even using the jacked figures, (reality is more like 40%) but the population only stopped decreasing recently due to layoffs in the Alberta oil patch.

Collapse doesn't concern me since there are plenty of fish and moose, warm enough summers to grow vegetables, and the Wabanaki and Acadians have worked together on self-defense and survival for going on 300 or so years now.

The only thing that sucks is having to occasionaly go to Boston.

Anonymous Laz April 20, 2015 7:46 AM  

Just popped up this morning- Feds arrest at least six in terrorist plot, say there's been a growing terror network in the Minnesota Somali community:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/several-men-arrested-minnesota-california-alleged-isis-plot-n344596

Who woulda thunk it?

Anonymous joe doakes April 20, 2015 9:10 AM  

Minnesota Somalis live outstate, too. In a factory making freezers in St. Cloud, the line shuts down because Somalis simply walk away to the bathrooms to wash their feet before praying. Somali women were convicted in Rochester of funding terrorist groups back home. They're not immigrants, they're on an extended vacation.

Blogger Ben April 20, 2015 11:16 AM  

Agreed, joe, Saint Cloud is among the worst. Rochester may go that way too. But my point still stands, the problem of immigrants in Minnesota is divided sharply along urban vs rural lines. And cities as we have them now will be unsustainable when government subsidies dry up.

Out in the boondocks of MN, or WI or MI or any of the northern states, there is no need for halal markets or taxi drivers, and as such are generally homogenous Norwegians and Germans. 'cept for the indians, but they stay on the res and get drunk on casino money.

Blogger Michael Maier April 20, 2015 10:32 PM  

Aeoli April 19, 2015 2:35 PM
Moving to Indiana. Ugly flatland, but less Scanditarded Lutherans.


Plenty of tards here, too. Trust me.

But it's not that ugly. Flat and boring, but not ugly. Especially down in the southern part of the state. Lots of pretty hills.

Anonymous Discard April 20, 2015 11:26 PM  

Jack Amok and others: It wasn't just the Mexicans who metastasized into California in the late '70s and '80s. We got hordes of Central Americans, Iranians, Russian Jews, and Vietnamese as well. Since then the Chinese, sundry Arabs, Armenians, Russians, Hindus, Israelis, and who knows what all have occupied the place. They all love it, a land of milk and honey where then can reap what others have sown and rest under trees their forefathers did not plant.
I do sometimes wonder how the various groups would sort themselves out in the event of an apocalypse of one sort or another. Mississippi or Iowa Whites would help one another, but what would happen in a land of tribal rivalry? Chinese help Armenians or Hindus help Mexicans?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 21, 2015 6:01 AM  

On average, conflict, disengagement and lack of community, and lack of willingness to contribute to public goods are strongly associated with diversity. On any given day it may be possible to quibble with specific results, but in the long run the trends are inexorable.

Anonymous N5 April 21, 2015 1:50 PM  

In the 70s and 70s, the Twin Cities were a great place to be- I know about a dozen guys- including my dad and uncle- who moved their families up there for the lovely landscape and good tech jobs (Control Data, Northern Telecom, honeywell, 3M, to name a few). Except for my one lesbian cousin who owns a dog walking business in the Nordeast, they are all gone. Taxes, and the Mondale/Franken cult, made the decision for them. A daughter of mine had a great deal at the U; wouldn't let her go because of the multiple highrises of Somalis across the street from campus. A damned shame. I never saw as many good looking blonde gals as on the quad at the U , until I visited Oslo some years ago.

Blogger epobirs April 25, 2015 9:21 AM  

Several years ago, at a Networld Interop trade show in Las Vegas, I was in the company of a well known computer magazine columnist. He spotted an old friend from past industry events who mentioned his company was moving his office to Minneapolis. In his irascible manner, the columnist asked "Do you realize you're going to be surrounded by people whose ancestors were too stupid to realize the place is uninhabitable?"

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