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Monday, April 20, 2015

Puppies on NPR

KW listened in and heard NPR doing their usual bang-up job on Sad Puppies. For me, the most intriguing aspect of the media coverage has been the near-complete lack of interest in actually talking to anyone involved in the actual news-making activity. I mean, I am about as cynical a media skeptic as it is possible to be, and yet somehow, these journalistic incompetents haven't even managed to rise to my very, very low level of expectations.
Weekend NPR show "On the Media" spent 15 minutes on the Hugo awards controversy, starting at about the half-way mark (30 minutes)

Arthur Wu was the expert interviewed.  He did some amateur psychoanalysis of the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies groups.

This was tied to GamerGate, and shortly after mentioning death threats and harrassment, Vox Day was re-mentioned as active in both controversies.  One might conclude, if one was a sloppy thinker, that Vox Day has made death threats.  They non-judgmentally mentioned your blog is among the most often blocked by workplace filters for hate.

Larry Correia was interviewed, or a clip reused, and John C Wright was brought up and invalidated as a right wing has-been whose prose now includes Randian divergences into poltical polemics.

They must have read PopSci, because they almost quoted their line:

"...Vox Day is ... on the record as supporting the Taliban’s attempt to assassinate Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousifazi, finding it “scientifically justifiable.”"

"Disco Demolition Night" was also brought up.  Apparantly, Disco hate, Sad Puppies, and GamerGate are about fear of castration.

NPR "All Things Considered" teased that they were going to cover Sad/Rapid Puppies as well, but the website does not help out yet.
I don't really object to their futile attempt to pile on. What this tells us is that the SJWs are uncommonly concerned about losing control of the narrative. And in their point-and-shriek frenzy - and that is all this is - they are bound to overreach themselves and their exaggerations will reach ludicrous proportions as they essentially play a high-tech version of the telephone game.

I won't be surprised if I'm accused of being a self-admitted member of the Taliban by the time this feeding frenzy reaches its peak. The other thing this tells us is that they are afraid of me. It was remarkable how Damien Walters, who normally likes to work VOX DAY and LARRY CORREIA into everything, didn't even mention either of us in his initial Hugo column. The media only likes to expose unsophisticated and unsympathetic enemies to the masses, but I am entirely comfortable with the media and not inclined to fall into their patently obvious traps.

That means they are left talking about me, without going to the source, and relying upon dishonest people to give them the straight story. And while they'll convince the SJW choir, as well as mostly indifferent people who can't bother to pay attention, at least 9 out of 10 people who discover me as a result are going to immediately notice that I am not even close to what they say I am.

So, I expect this to be not only a net positive, but a significant net positive. I grew up watching Ronald Reagan, after all, and the man not only survived, but thrived on absorbing everything the media could possibly throw at him.

One thing that will be useful, though, is to dig into the identity of each hit piece author. We've already tied several of them to Tor Books; the original Guardian hit piece author is published by Tor Books and was in contact with John Scalzi. And we know about both Heer and the PopSci guy as well.

Once we have the complete dossier, we'll be able to draw a clear picture of how their media operation works and then go about exposing it. Remember, wu wei is all about the art of bending with the wind. Right now it is time to let the wind blow. But that's all it is, is wind.





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Blogger Nate April 20, 2015 8:07 AM  

It is rather amusing isn't it? The Two Slates created a giant controversy! Lets go talk to someone totally unrelated to those slates! Because journalism!

you know there are some old school journalism types reading this stuff and thinking "if this is how the kids these days do it we should just burn it all."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 20, 2015 8:16 AM  

Reagan had personal political skills, knowing full well he should speak to the neutrals and not debate with the media. Today's connedservatives sit on the edge of their chairs and debate the media like naughty children in the principal's office. This gives the media an unearned air of authority, but does little to sway the neutrals.

Anonymous Wojciech Majda April 20, 2015 8:17 AM  

"I won't be surprised if I'm accused of being a self-admitted member of the Taliban by the time this feeding frenzy reaches its peak. "

Vox Day is self admitted member of Taliban. There are even rumors, that he was train and guided by Osama Bin Landen to set up Christian branch of Al-Ka'ida.

:D

Anonymous JRL April 20, 2015 8:19 AM  

Forget breaking news, now they're just breaking wind.

Anonymous Alexander April 20, 2015 8:30 AM  

Dear Editor,

I was a staunch supporter of Vox Day for some time, but I finally feel the need to tell the world of what I saw and ask the world for forgiveness as I rehabilitate myself into humanity. I suppose for me, the breaking point was at our most recent annual meeting, where after burning an effigy of Barack Obama and Abraham Lincoln, the Ilk proceeded to drink the blood of Muslim schoolgirls and transgender black babies from a chalice inscribed with the writings of John C. Wright...

I wouldn't bet against that making the it through to the airwaves.

Anonymous RL April 20, 2015 8:34 AM  

"They non-judgmentally mentioned your blog is among the most often blocked by workplace filters for hate."

The company I work for has nanny filters in place, but Vox Popoli is not blocked by them. Athol Kay's site is blocked, sites selling pocket knives and firearms are some times blocked, but not Vox. Perhaps NPR is exaggerating, as ususal.

Blogger Foster April 20, 2015 8:38 AM  

On a tangentially related matter, one Righty Freep says this regarding Wright's recent work "Yes, Virginia..." being invalidated for a Hugo:

"But I want to raise another matter. There is an exception to the “publication” rule in the WFSF constitution as follows:

Section 3.4: Extended Eligibility. In the event that a potential Hugo Award nominee receives extremely limited distribution in the year of its first publication or presentation, its eligibility may be extended for an additional year by a three fourths (3/4) vote of the intervening Business Meeting of WSFS.

http://www.lonestarcon3.org/wsfs/constitution.pdf

When I read this provision, it seems clear to me that the disqualification of Yes, Virginia, violates the spirit of the WFSF constitution, if not the actual letter. If Yes, Virginia rises to the level of being a “publication” for purposes of the nomination process, self-publication for the last 8 days of the previous year on a writer’s blog is most certainly “extremely limited distribution.”

I don’t know what practicalities are involved here, but I suggest that the Sasquan Hugo Administrators be invited to reconsider their decision."

Is there anything to this?

Anonymous LeeS April 20, 2015 8:39 AM  

I heard a story on NPR last week about the poor African's struggling to cross the Mediterranean to reach Italy.
Unsurprisingly,they failed to mention the throwing of Christian's overboard or the mess Hillary made in Libya.

Blogger Shimshon April 20, 2015 8:43 AM  

Vox is the Teflon Blogger.

Blogger Salt April 20, 2015 8:44 AM  

The link says the expert was Arthur Chu, another rabid rabbit.

Anonymous Crude April 20, 2015 8:44 AM  

So many on the right think they've lost ground in the culture war due to not emphasizing this or that line of intellectual argument in public debates and articles, and how they'd do a lot better if they instead emphasized this or that logical argument. And while I appreciate argument, reason, dialectic and all that - my view has been that whatever war has been lost, has largely been lost due to conservatives pretty well abandoning the actual culture, particularly entertainment. The people who are crazy about same-sex marriage aren't crazy about it because they've been convinced by a particular view of Lockean social contract. It's the more emotional punch from the media, from the culture, from books and comics and TV shows.

And all this seems to be at least supporting evidence. Give a new bold argument against something the SJWs dislike and they yawn. Intrude even partially into the realm of media and culture and they lose their collective shit dramatically.

Blogger Shimshon April 20, 2015 8:47 AM  

I had some respect for the masterful way Chu gamed Jeopardy (he even got a boatload of whiny criticism for playing the "wrong" way - you'd think he'd make the connection), but he is a total tool in every other way.

Blogger Shimshon April 20, 2015 8:50 AM  

"The people who are crazy about same-sex marriage..."

I suspect the vast majority of perversion pushers are themselves quite straight and if you were to suggest they engage in perverted behavior themselves, they would internally cringe in disgust.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2015 8:51 AM  

arthor chu... I think the best thing to come of this... besides the Glorious Butthurt... has been the exposure of the rabbit media pattern. Note how many media outlets are going to Chu... even though the guy literally has nothing to do with science fiction or anything else but Jeopardy.

He is reliably SJW though... so they go to him.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 20, 2015 8:55 AM  

LOL......."The Glorious Butthurt". That's so perfect.

Anonymous mookie April 20, 2015 8:57 AM  

Reporter info here:
www.onthemedia.org/people/brooke-gladstone

Anonymous clk April 20, 2015 8:57 AM  

Wu Wei .. .. pulling the jesuit rabbit out of the taoist hat .. I often wondered why with your background that you dont speak more on eastern thought.., certainly at one time it was a strong interest to you ... was your development as Christian one of the reasons why you seem to have moved from it ? ... while its not contrary to Christianity directly, many Christains seem to have issue with eastern wisdom. It has been suggested that the basis of some of the historical Jesus philosophy was gained during the "missing years" which were spent in India, Tibet etc ... just a theory.

OpenID cailcorishev April 20, 2015 8:57 AM  

I wouldn't bet against that making the it through to the airwaves.

They'll never find it here, since that would imply they came here to find out what Vox actually says. You need to go post it as a comment somewhere like the Guardian, where they can safely pick it up and report it as hard news.

Anonymous MrBultitude April 20, 2015 9:04 AM  

I know the journalism bar is exceptionally low, yet they still manage to hit their head on the bar on the way up. It's really quite impressive at this point.

Anonymous AlteredFate April 20, 2015 9:05 AM  

I listen to NPR rather frequently as I usually need a good laugh before enduring a day at work. As a whole they are a journalistic joke, with some of their most prominent voices, Diane Rehms and Robert Siegel, so eager to tie everything to The Narrative™ that they often catch guests off guard with their questions about how the subject of the discussion affects women, gays, or other "oppressed" group when the subject being discussed has absolutely nothing to do with their agenda. Between NPR and TED Talks, it is possible to learn in advance all of the talking points any up-to-date lefty is going to make in an argument. It is the rhetorical repository that all the rabbits use as their church.

Anonymous Mike M. April 20, 2015 9:14 AM  

"What this tells us is that the SJWs are uncommonly concerned about losing control of the narrative."

Vox, I think they already have lost control of the narrative. The truth is out there. The forces of Civilization are on the offensive. And once people realize how weak the SJWs really are, their whole neo-totalitarian regime will collapse like a house of cards.

Anonymous anon123 April 20, 2015 9:18 AM  

At least they didn't tie you to Alex Jones and the 9/11 Truthers...yet.

Anonymous Geoff April 20, 2015 9:22 AM  

This site is OK at my work, but Alpha Game has been blocked.

Anonymous cheddarman April 20, 2015 9:25 AM  

I don't call it "National Gay Public Radio" for nothing.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 9:32 AM  

What this tells us is that the SJWs are uncommonly concerned about losing control of the narrative.

I'd say this is also evidence that there's a very heavy correlation between rabbitology and SJW. Rabbits live on consensus. (One of) SJW's biggest fear is losing consensus.

Blogger pdwalker April 20, 2015 9:34 AM  

But that's all it is, is wind.

If a documentary is made about it someday, the obvious title should be "Breaking Wind"

Anonymous dh April 20, 2015 9:35 AM  

I am big fan of NPR, this was not up to even common standards. I am not familiar with this exact show. I sent a paper letter to the ombudsman asking why they didn't just interview you or larry or brad. You don't need a 3rd party expert when the people are available and willing to give their side of the story.

Blogger pdwalker April 20, 2015 9:35 AM  

bah, JRL beat me too it.

double bah.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 9:36 AM  

The link says the expert was Arthur Chu, another rabid rabbit.

Good find. Arthur Wu is not the same guy as Chu.

Blogger darkdoc April 20, 2015 9:36 AM  

Seriously desperate to save the current narrative.

Since they own the media, using it as a tool is expected.

Flaccid Rabbits, no erection man-fakes like Chu, that can never be more than male illusions.

But it is just wind, and a bunch of computer electrons.

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 9:37 AM  

I see repeated use of the term "social Justic warrior" and "Rabbit" here. Two terms that are simple substitutes for "liberal". That's all fine and the attempt to humiliate the liberal leaning people with these terms is at least creative. But what's striking is the fact that those who oppose liberals have to have noticed that they are on the butt end of the social issue argumets; their cases fall on deaf ears. It surely has something to do with the quality of the cases they try to make.

As for Vox Day, it is not the case athat you really want the media combing through what he has written in an honest attempt to understand his positions. It will only confirm what the media has said about him.

Women can't be trusted
Educated women are dangerous to a nation
Blacks can't build civilizations
Jews ought to be thrown out of Europe
Sympathy with the murderers of women who want education
A stated willlingness to killl infants if God says so
Constnat refering to a president as "The Magic Negro"
Advocating for stripping women of voting rights
Husbands may take sex from their wives - no argument

But what will most be noticed is that when Vox Day complains about coverage of his views, he is most upset that he is unfairly accused of "campaignng" for these things, rather than simply advocating these these: "I've never CAMPAINGED for stripping all women of their right to vote, damn it. I've only said repeatedly that women are child like, can't be trusted, ruin everything and ought to be sliced out of the body politic where men will look after their needs and interests the way men feel they should be protected."

It's a distinction without a difference.

But here is the real point: The media feels no compelling need to get Vox Day's views perfectly right because those views are so fringe, so thoroughly dismissed, so completely impossible to ever be taken seriously or included in any debate of consequence and so shockingly repugnant to the vast majority of people that it doesn't really matter how they are characterized.

Most notable too is that many who support Vox Day in this his hour of minor exposure is that they fail to understand what is happening. It's not so much coverage of the Hugo Award controversy, but rather a matter of the media briefly taking their readers to the zoo where they can look past the bars on the cage at the animals inside. It's entertainment: "Look friends, we bet you've never seen up close the consequence of closed minded religous stridency....don't get too close, but observe the large teeth, small cranium and wild eyes.


Anonymous Alexander April 20, 2015 9:37 AM  

Cail,

posted a longer version at NPR. Woohoo!

Blogger Kull April 20, 2015 9:38 AM  

NPR. Where to even start?

But something OT! Hie thee to File 770, the 4/19 Puppies post! I witnessed there some incredible black knightery, courtesy of Alexander. Breathtaking. Apologies if mentioned elsewhere.

Anonymous Alexander April 20, 2015 9:38 AM  

Bah, it has to go through moderation. One can hope...

Anonymous Alexander April 20, 2015 9:39 AM  

Kull,

I do my bit.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 9:39 AM  

Arthur Chu's wife is Eliza Blair, who is an aspiring SF author. She's working on a novel and has currently sold one short story.

Blogger James Dixon April 20, 2015 9:42 AM  

> The media feels no compelling need to get Vox Day's views perfectly right because those views are so fringe, so thoroughly dismissed, so completely impossible to ever be taken seriously or included in any debate of consequence and so shockingly repugnant to the vast majority of people that it doesn't really matter how they are characterized.

The same can be said of any strict Constitutionalist, any believing Christian, or any believing Muslim, for starters. Vox is just the canary in the coal mine.

So what does it say when the "the media" feels that way about the views of the vast majority of both the US and the world?

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 9:47 AM  

My mistake.

Per isfdb.org, she has sold three short stories since 2012.

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 9:48 AM  

"Vox is just the canary in the coal mine."

This may be the most fundamental mistake made by the small band of Mr. Day's supporters. He's not the canary in the coal mine. He's the skeleton of the canary in the coal mine.

Anonymous rho April 20, 2015 9:56 AM  

you know there are some old school journalism types reading this stuff and thinking "if this is how the kids these days do it we should just burn it all."

It does make one wonder. Getting an interview with any of the parties involved--VD, Brad, Larry--not only would make it good journalism, it would make the story three times better.

You ALWAYS ask the involved parties for comment. If the follow-up doesn't do that bare minimum of effort, it's going to be a huge joke.

Blogger Shimshon April 20, 2015 10:03 AM  

"I see repeated use of the term "social Justic warrior" and "Rabbit" here. Two terms that are simple substitutes for "liberal"."

Wrong. They are gradations, as has been explained previously on this blog. All SJWs are rabbits, but not all rabbits are SJWs.

Anonymous dh April 20, 2015 10:05 AM  

The Medium..

.. can we please have our own Rabid Puppies are dead meme? Please? Please? It's how you know you've really made it - when the opposition declares you dead.

Anonymous Feh April 20, 2015 10:06 AM  

you know there are some old school journalism types reading this stuff and thinking "if this is how the kids these days do it we should just burn it all."

They'd have to be very old indeed not to remember a time when journalism wasn't based on manufacturing sensationalistic bullshit.

Blogger Markku April 20, 2015 10:07 AM  

dh, if you still have the same Skype account, check it

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 20, 2015 10:07 AM  

For what it's worth, Larry just posted on his site that NPR did at least try to reach out to him. He got a call (which he missed; he was out).

Blogger Nate April 20, 2015 10:14 AM  

"They'd have to be very old indeed not to remember a time when journalism wasn't based on manufacturing sensationalistic bullshit."

its always been based on that. But there are still people who know the rules of how its supposed to be done. Even when you are making up sensationalistic bullshit appearances are supposed to be maintained.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 20, 2015 10:16 AM  

If rabbits had to pay a personal price for spewing the narrative there would be no narrative.

The poster "Medium" all rhetoric no substance, I would like to know about blacks building civilizations. As for Obama being "magic negro" so what, the man is a black racist and he has hired plenty of other racists such as Holder so piss on him and his cult.

There is nothing to the left, nothing.

Blogger Daniel April 20, 2015 10:17 AM  

I'm not taken off guard by the media as pravda, not a bit. What I am surprised by is how the pygmy strategy is so thoroughly primitive. I had taken them for half-savage, half-sophisticated pagan.

Turns out they are all full-savage. Fish in a barrel would be more difficult. They don't even have the numbers, and if they did, their swamp the boats attack is going to leave way more floaters than boarders.

Anonymous Harsh April 20, 2015 10:17 AM  

@The Medium

You write in nice big words but you entirely miss the point. Vox is the tip of the iceberg of a movement that has people like you and the MSM scared to death. Concern troll all you like, it won't make a difference.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2015 10:18 AM  

"I see repeated use of the term "social Justic warrior" and "Rabbit" here. Two terms that are simple substitutes for "liberal". That's all fine and the attempt to humiliate the liberal leaning people with these terms is at least creative. But what's striking is the fact that those who oppose liberals have to have noticed that they are on the butt end of the social issue argumets;'

Remember... the debate is over and the liberals have won convincingly and everyone knows this.

That's why all of those gay marriage bans have had to be over turned the courts after winning in general election after general election... in those crazy red states like California.

Anonymous zen0 April 20, 2015 10:21 AM  

@dh

I am big fan of NPR, this was not up to even common standards. I am not familiar with this exact show. I sent a paper letter to the ombudsman asking why they didn't just interview you or larry or brad. You don't need a 3rd party expert when the people are available and willing to give their side of the story.

Brooke Gladstone did the interview:


NPR host Brooke Gladstone admits that journalists are generally more liberal than regular Americans, but she thinks they overcompensate for their bias by giving too much of a voice to conservatives. For instance, Gladstone believes conservatives do not deserve an equal voice with liberals in the global warming debate.

Fairness bias

Blogger Chiva April 20, 2015 10:21 AM  

"don't get too close, but observe the large teeth, small cranium and wild eyes."

That is very racist of you. Check your privilege.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2015 10:27 AM  

The Medium April 20, 2015 9:48 AM
This may be the most fundamental mistake made by the small band of Mr. Day's supporters. He's not the canary in the coal mine. He's the skeleton of the canary in the coal mine.



you know, i have it on extremely good authority, TOP authority one might say, that history has ended and that all of the future belongs to the progressive, liberal democracies of the west ...

Anonymous joe doakes April 20, 2015 10:29 AM  

Medium: assuming, arguendo, that Vox Day is a WrongThinker on the issues you mention, how does that affect the Hugos?

It matters only if the Hugo is awarded based on politics instead of writing.


By harping on Vox Day's hateful political views rather than the quality of the works on the Rabid Puppies slate - which works, I'll bet a brand new nickel, you haven't read precisely because he nominated them - you emphasize the point Sad Puppies set out to make: the Hugo is explicitly a political award, not a literary award, and further, that it is explicitly a Liberal political award never to be awarded to anyone holding dissenting political beliefs. It does not represent the best SF/F, it represents the best SF/F written by Liberals.

When you condone awarding a literary award based on the author's politics, you pervert the intent and purpose of the Hugo.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2015 10:30 AM  

also, his choice of avatar name is vastly amusing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediumship

Anonymous McOxford April 20, 2015 10:32 AM  

@ The Medium

I think 'The Over Done' would have suited you better.

Anonymous kagi April 20, 2015 10:34 AM  

"It surely has something to do with the quality of the cases they try to make."

No it doesn't. I don't think you quite know what the word "surely" means.

Are you with me, Doctor Wu?
Are you really just a shadow
Of the man that I once knew?
Are you crazy? Are you high?
Or just an ordinary guy?
Have you done all you can do?
Are you with me, doctor?
Can you hear me, doctor?


Blogger MidKnight April 20, 2015 10:36 AM  

@AlteredFate

Heh. TED.

My first exposure was Mike Rowes "war on work" talk. Cool. Great talk.

So I tried a bunch more - and while there are interesting nuggets buried in there, even the more interesting ones tend to be so buried in progressive assumptions that I gave up after another five.

Anonymous zen0 April 20, 2015 10:37 AM  

The interviewee, Arthur Chu is a Gamma nerd, SJW, Jeopardy contestant, and writer for the daily beast.

Arthur Chu is a bi-coastal Chinese-American nerd who's currently settled down in Cleveland, Ohio. An actor, comedian and sometime culture blogger, he somehow captured national attention for becoming an 11-time Jeopardy! champion in March 2014 and is now shamelessly extending his presence in the national spotlight by all available means. He lives with his wife and an indeterminate but alarmingly ever-growing number of cats.

Daily Beast Articles

The most recent article is "Right-Wing Trolls Hijack SciFi Oscars"

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 20, 2015 10:37 AM  

you know, i have it on extremely good authority, TOP authority one might say, that history has ended and that all of the future belongs to the progressive, liberal democracies of the west ...

What authority? Who?

Top. Men.

Blogger YIH April 20, 2015 10:38 AM  

They non-judgmentally mentioned [this] blog is among the most often blocked by workplace filters for hate.
Hmm, I've heard of Steve Sailer (both Blogspot and Unz versions) being blocked as well as the late Lawrence Auster's blog. Also VDARE, and Amren, blocked as one such 'net nanny' software put it ''violence/hate/racism'' but this is the first I've heard mention of this blog being on 'the bad list'.
But at least such 'net nanny' software also targets Fecesbook ;)

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 10:39 AM  

I see repeated use of the term "social Justic warrior" and "Rabbit" here. Two terms that are simple substitutes for "liberal". That's all fine and the attempt to humiliate the liberal leaning people with these terms is at least creative.

If you actually knew what you were talking about and not just guessing, you would realize that "SJW" and "rabbit" are not just codewords for "liberal".

Some people are misusing the terms. People make mistakes, it's something we all do. Don't be the dumbass that only skims the surface and runs with initial perceptions however.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 10:40 AM  

Isn't it racist for Arthur Chu to perpetuate the stereotype of the Asian nerd?

Blogger Markku April 20, 2015 10:40 AM  

Correct. Rabbit correlates, SJW is a subset.

Blogger James Dixon April 20, 2015 10:41 AM  

> He's not the canary in the coal mine. He's the skeleton of the canary in the coal mine.

In your wet dreams, mayhap. In real life, not so much so.

Blogger Markku April 20, 2015 10:48 AM  

If you think all liberals behave like SJW's, you are probably SJW.

Anonymous Alexander April 20, 2015 10:48 AM  

Josh, it worse than that.

With a name like "Arthur", he is guilty of both cultural appropriation AND suppressing his ethnic heritage. He's also over-representing and thus denied JEOPARDY wins to black and hispanic contestants.

Pretty much the worst person ever since Hitler, whichever dago ran the Spanish Inquisition's interrogations, and Vox Day.

Anonymous Viidad April 20, 2015 10:52 AM  

"alarmingly ever-growing number of cats"

There seems to be a direct correlation between cat ownership and idiocy.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 10:53 AM  

@Markku

I hadn't actually thought of SJW being a subset of rabbits. It makes a sort of sense. I'm very heavily tired right now though so I'm not going to rely on my critical thinking at the moment. :)

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 10:54 AM  

There seems to be a direct correlation between cat ownership and idiocy.

Isn't there a parasite in cats that causes brain damage in humans?

Blogger Markku April 20, 2015 10:54 AM  

No, subset of liberals. Conservatives can be rabbits too, for example because they have just unthinkingly absorbed it from their surroundings, like chameleons.

Blogger Markku April 20, 2015 10:55 AM  

However, the liberal ideology is much more in line with rabbitry, hence the correlation.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 10:56 AM  

Conservatives can be rabbits too, for example because they have just unthinkingly absorbed it from their surroundings, like chameleons.

Exhibit A: the reaction to both Ron Paul campaigns.

Blogger rcocean April 20, 2015 10:59 AM  

NPR is rabbit heaven. Their constant focus on racism, Gays, Jews, Israel, Women's issues, and various racial minorities would be funny if it weren't so boring. I wonder how many Straight white males actually work there as producers or on-line talent. I bet its about 10%.

Blogger CarpeOro April 20, 2015 10:59 AM  

On National People's Radio you do not do interview, interview does you.

Blogger El Borak April 20, 2015 11:02 AM  

If you actually knew what you were talking about and not just guessing, you would realize that "SJW" and "rabbit" are not just codewords for "liberal".

As is illustrated by #GamerGate itself, which is made up of mostly liberals who are very tired of SJWs.

Blogger rcocean April 20, 2015 11:02 AM  

A good case in point is Terry Gross. O'Reilly complained NPR never reviewed his best-sellers, so Gross (no doubt kicking and screaming) had a hostile interview with him that resulted in O'Reilly walking off the show to Gross' satisfaction. Of course, all the leftist on her show get softball interviews.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2015 11:02 AM  

Josh April 20, 2015 10:54 AM
Isn't there a parasite in cats that causes brain damage in humans?



my family had cats ( and dogs ) at various times while i was growing up. if this were true, i'd be as terrifying as Vox absent the feline corruption of my young skull full of mush.

but it's not brain 'damage' so much as behavior damage anyways.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis#Rodent_behavior

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 11:03 AM  

I wonder how many Straight white males actually work there as producers or on-line talent. I bet its about 10%.

NPR is very white and very male, and it's very concerned that it's too white and too male.

Most NPR listeners are also very white and very male.

Anonymous LES April 20, 2015 11:04 AM  

The Hugo Award is a great battle in the Culture War. The US Supreme Court will soon begin hearing arguments to take away states' rights to define marriage.

It seems to me this battle is already lost. People are losing their jobs for refusing to approve of homosexuality.

Blogger rcocean April 20, 2015 11:04 AM  

As Vox, he's now getting the Limbaugh treatment. The MSM doesn't quote his stuff, they quote leftists who paraphrase what he wrote/said. Well done Vox - another victory.

Blogger rcocean April 20, 2015 11:06 AM  

"NPR is very white and very male, and it's very concerned that it's too white and too male."

I didn't say White males. I said straight white males. And of course, it depends on what you mean by white. I bet many of the "white males" at NPR would claim that as Jews they aren't "White".

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 11:13 AM  

http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2012/04/10/150367888/black-latino-asian-and-white-diversity-at-npr

87% of NPR listeners are white and 77% of NPR staff are white.

Anonymous Won't Get Fooled Again?? April 20, 2015 11:16 AM  

SJWs Always Lie...

yet a few years ago, many of you were supporters of the "Occupy" movement, and before that, the so-called "anti-war" movement... both SJW misinformation campaigns, through and through.

many #GamerGate supporters are full on supporters of gay marriage, they support freedom of gamers even as they cheer on assaults on Christian wedding cake bakers...

Will you finally learn the lesson?

SJWs Always Lie...

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 11:17 AM  

I didn't say White males. I said straight white males. And of course, it depends on what you mean by white. I bet many of the "white males" at NPR would claim that as Jews they aren't "White".

This probably isn't the thread to rehash the whole "define white" debate. NPR and pretty much all of elite society considers Jews to be white. Which is why the coalition of the fringes is starting to attack the white privilege of Jews in America (see the bds movement and student politics at California universities).

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 11:17 AM  

@Markku

I see I misunderstood what you wrote, but I don't see how what you said necessarily contradicts what I put down.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 20, 2015 11:19 AM  

If you think all liberals behave like SJW's, you are probably SJW.

I suspect that the vast majority of liberals are simply apolitical, don't really care or think much about politics, and therefore haven't questioned any of the assumptions that they've been indoctrinated with.

That said, "outspoken liberal" and SJW are difficult to distinguish. There's a very rare non-SJW outspoken liberal. I certainly accept their existence in theory, but I can't think of a single one off the top of my head.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 11:20 AM  

I certainly accept their existence in theory, but I can't think of a single one off the top of my head.

Glenn Greenwald?

Anonymous Giuseppe April 20, 2015 11:21 AM  

He's the skeleton of the canary in the coal mine.

In that case, the outcome is going to be spectacular! I'm not much into horror, but watching the undead skeleton of a Canary butt-rape SJWs en-masse is worthy of a container full of popcorn.

Anonymous Abum April 20, 2015 11:23 AM  

I heard that bit yesterday first while driving thru SW Iowa and again later in NW SD. WEAK!

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 11:24 AM  

Michelle Goldberg and Jonathan Chait are outspoken liberals who have taken on the SJWs.

The vast majority of media and academic elites are probably not SJWs because they don't have enough victim points to win a privilege battle.

They're probably terrified of the SJW mob, which was very useful when attacking evil white conservative dudes, but will eventually turn on white liberals.

Blogger Rabbi B April 20, 2015 11:27 AM  

"I bet many of the "white males" at NPR would claim that as Jews they aren't "White"."

Actually, truth be told, not "white bread" but rye.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 11:29 AM  

Actually, truth be told, not "white bread" but rye.

So when people in their tearing down of "Patriarchy" start tearing down Jewish stuff, is that them going "a-rye"?

Anonymous Jack Amok April 20, 2015 11:29 AM  

However, the liberal ideology is much more in line with rabbitry, hence the correlation..

Rabbits are simply people who aren't comfortable being responsible for their own decisions. They want the consequences of any bad things to be born by the warren rather than falling on their own heads. That does align better with liberalism, since it's an ideology largely centered around avoiding consequences. But there can be conservatives who want to socialize costs too. They're just less common because to be conservative requires some acceptance that consequences are important feedback that helps steer people to making better choices.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 11:30 AM  

Actually, truth be told, not "white bread" but rye.

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Rye?

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 20, 2015 11:30 AM  

The vast majority of media and academic elites are probably not SJWs because they don't have enough victim points to win a privilege battle.

They're probably terrified of the SJW mob, which was very useful when attacking evil white conservative dudes, but will eventually turn on white liberals.


They are probably terrified of the SJW mob, but if you're a card-carrying water carrier for the SJWs, then you're merely a vulnerable SJW, not a non-SJW. Assuming, of course, that SJW is determined by behavior.

Anonymous Porky April 20, 2015 11:32 AM  

Chu vs. Day. A showdown of strategy experts. Now it's getting good.

Blogger Rabbi B April 20, 2015 11:32 AM  

" . . . is that them going "a-rye"?"

+1

Anonymous Leatherwing April 20, 2015 11:32 AM  

The news media at least allowed Baghdad Bob to tell his side. They must be terrified to let you actually speak and articulate your positions (while simultaneously shredding theirs).

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 20, 2015 11:33 AM  

James Howard Kuntsler is a liberal but no SJW, such a thing is possible but a guy like that won't get past being a blogger because of the rabbit PC purges

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 11:40 AM  

The definitive exploration of white people's love of NPR:

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/31/44-public-radio/

Anonymous Jack Amok April 20, 2015 11:42 AM  

yet a few years ago, many of you were supporters of the "Occupy" movement

Really? Seems I missed that. How many ilk were "supporters" of the Occupy movement? Raise your hands...

Okay, now, how many ilk simply thought it was great to see banksters catching flak?

Of course our concern troll - who is clearly one of our regular trolls - can't tell the difference between cheering on dissention in the enemy's ranks and being fooled.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 11:44 AM  

Really? Seems I missed that. How many ilk were "supporters" of the Occupy movement? Raise your hands...

Both occupy and the tea party had very similar messages before being coopted.

Anonymous Alexander April 20, 2015 11:45 AM  

I was for the wars. It was watching that particular shitstorm evolve that led me out of the big-C conservative camp, and pushed a couple of other ugly truths my way.

As for Occupy... I was in New York when in September, just when the whole thing was getting started. I could see right then that this was gonna be a national shit show.

That some of that shit was slung at a group that wholly deserved it doesn't change that core fact.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2015 11:52 AM  

Porky April 20, 2015 11:32 AM
Chu vs. Day. A showdown of strategy experts.



nothing on Jeopardy rises to the level of 'strategy'.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 11:53 AM  

Chu vs. Day. A showdown of strategy experts.

I know you're being facetious, but...

A strategy expert knows when to keep his yap shut. That doesn't describe Chu in any way.

Blogger Jourdan April 20, 2015 11:55 AM  

Of course, what makes the case of NPR worse is that I am forced to pay for it.

At least my money doesn't support the Carlos Slim bailed-out Mexico and New York Times.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 20, 2015 11:56 AM  

@Josh

Not really. Occupiers were a bunch of commie weasels who wanted goodies for themselves at the expense of the rich.

They were exactly like the Wall Street bankers and other assholes who wanted socialism for the tax payer when their companies failed but goodies for themselves.

Two sides of a very selfish, greedy, and selectively socialist and selectively beneficial coin.

Let Andrew Klaven explain things if my butchered attempt at explaining his points don't reach you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IL6r_Sizs

Blogger Nate April 20, 2015 11:57 AM  

" whichever dago ran the Spanish Inquisition's interrogations,"

Now wait just one damn minute here people! Someone actually used DAGO as a derogative on this blog.. and we're not going any further with this discussion until we acknowledge just how God Damn awesome that is.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 11:57 AM  

Not really. Occupiers were a bunch of commie weasels who wanted goodies for themselves at the expense of the rich.

They were exactly like the Wall Street bankers and other assholes who wanted socialism for the tax payer when their companies failed but goodies for themselves.

Two sides of a very selfish, greedy, and selectively socialist and selectively beneficial coin.


And the tea party rallies with signs like "KEEP YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE?"

Anonymous dh April 20, 2015 11:58 AM  

I didn't support the Occupy movement, but I was sympathetic. I prefer my protests to be the useful and productive variety. Occupy was never going to do anything but enrich a few, and give the media something to do.

The message wasn't wrong, a lot of it was very right. And the rage was justified.

It's really the same with the Ferguson protesters: the police department was a cash generating partnership with the local courts, the police were out of control, and the politicians failed. But it doesn't mean anything that they did was useful or the best thing to do. In fact what they ended up doing was the least useful thing, not the most.

Anonymous Porky April 20, 2015 12:02 PM  

nothing on Jeopardy rises to the level of 'strategy'.

You could not be more wrong. Chu was inside his opponents OODA loop before he was even chosen to be on the show.

Blogger automatthew April 20, 2015 12:02 PM  

The Medium sure sounds like Tad, but he stopped after a couple of comments. Hard to tell.

Anonymous Fran April 20, 2015 12:02 PM  

Josh, are you sure that didn't say "keep your hands of Social Security" ? Because I am of the mind that IS our money.

OpenID genericviews April 20, 2015 12:03 PM  

They non-judgmentally mentioned your blog is among the most often blocked by workplace filters for hate.

For the record, I work at DoD and have never seen this site blocked. And our IT department insists we use obsolete browsers because they can't keep up with cetifying the new ones. I have seen plenty of other sites blocked for "hate" so I think that Hate claim WRT this site is unsupportable.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2015 12:03 PM  

"And the tea party rallies with signs like "KEEP YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE?""

Hey... apsy libertarian retard... drawing a line and saying "no new spending" does not make you a hypocrite.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 20, 2015 12:04 PM  

@Josh

Outliers, obviously. With Occupy Wallstreet, though, those very outliers would have been would have been the common members.

Anonymous Heh April 20, 2015 12:05 PM  

"nothing on Jeopardy rises to the level of 'strategy'."

Other than making sure you know a lot about Shakespeare, the Bible, Opera, and other subjects they always seem to ask about.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 12:05 PM  

Josh, are you sure that didn't say "keep your hands of Social Security" ? Because I am of the mind that IS our money.

Yes, they probably had those signs as well.

It's not your money. There is no social security trust fund. It's gone.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2015 12:05 PM  

"Because I am of the mind that IS our money. "

then you are ignorant. It was a tax... like any other tax. it went into the general fund and they blew all the money.

Its gone.

accept it.

Blogger Noah B April 20, 2015 12:10 PM  

"Its gone."

But they PROMISED!!!

Blogger Iowahine April 20, 2015 12:10 PM  

Most NPR listeners are also very white and very male.

And baby boomers. Ever see the worn-out schlock they feature during fund raiser week?

Blogger Iowahine April 20, 2015 12:10 PM  

Most NPR listeners are also very white and very male.

And baby boomers. Ever see the worn-out schlock they feature during fund raiser week?

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 12:11 PM  

Hey... apsy libertarian retard... drawing a line and saying "no new spending" does not make you a hypocrite.

That sign is an excellent illustration of Two sides of a very selfish, greedy, and selectively socialist and selectively beneficial coin.

Remember, the rant that created the tea party movement was about a relatively small program to modify underwater mortgages. Not TARP. Not the Fed's trillions in secret loans.

Anonymous Porky April 20, 2015 12:11 PM  

Other than making sure you know a lot about Shakespeare, the Bible, Opera, and other subjects they always seem to ask about.

Which is exactly NOT the startegy that Chu went with.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2015 12:18 PM  

"Remember, the rant that created the tea party movement was about a relatively small program to modify underwater mortgages. "

That's a very selective way to describe that rant.

its like saying a rant inspired by the straw that broke the camel's back is in fact about one straw.

It wasn't.

It was about the broken back.

Anonymous Nathan April 20, 2015 12:19 PM  

Why wasn't Chu destroyed when he admitted to not reporting rape?

Anonymous FP April 20, 2015 12:19 PM  

"This may be the most fundamental mistake made by the small band of Mr. Day's supporters. He's not the canary in the coal mine. He's the skeleton of the canary in the coal mine."

Say Medium, how well are those blue-dog democrats doing these days? Sweeping elections?

The canary in the coal mine for me is stereotypical working class whites often taking views on issues that 10-15 years ago would have them labeled right wing.

Anonymous Fran April 20, 2015 12:30 PM  

I will not just accept that that what was promised to be returned to us was just a tax the whole time. I will hold them to what they owe. Not like that will do a whole lot anyways but it's more than just another broken promise from the Gov., though.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2015 12:40 PM  

I will not just accept that that what was promised to be returned to us was just a tax the whole time. I will hold them to what they owe.

That's cute.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 12:44 PM  

Why wasn't Chu destroyed when he admitted to not reporting rape?

In-group vs out-group.

Principles don't matter, being part of the group does.

Anonymous Long Time Lurker April 20, 2015 12:45 PM  

The Medium: "Constnat refering to a president as "The Magic Negro"

While you're on your high horse, I suggest you research the term "The Magic Negro" and it's origin of use as applied to Obama. Hint: It was coined by a liberal and most famously used by the bigot Al Sharpton against Barack Obama. In other words you've been lied to and fed the lie hook, line and sinker. Of course, as everyone knows most liberals are liars so no harm intended, I suppose.

Blogger Mark April 20, 2015 1:05 PM  

"The Magic Negro" directly referred to Barack Obama in an LA Times article. It was quoted by Rush Limbaugh, and turned into a parody song for his show. The article was actually a pretty good analysis of self-hating whites voting for Obama.

Blogger Marissa April 20, 2015 1:13 PM  

It appears that NPR did contact Larry Correia, but he was busy the day they called and emailed him.

Anonymous Bz April 20, 2015 1:15 PM  

".. can we please have our own Rabid Puppies are dead meme?"

But they just keep coming no matter what the SJWs do! Are they ... Rabid Zombie Puppies?

Anonymous patrick kelly April 20, 2015 1:19 PM  

"There seems to be a direct correlation between cat ownership and idiocy.

Isn't there a parasite in cats that causes brain damage in humans?"

Hmmmm..... my red-pill consciousness does seem to have grown stronger the few years since our last cat died... coincidence?

Anonymous Long Time Lurker April 20, 2015 1:28 PM  

Thanks Mark. I stand corrected it was David Ehrenstein, a flaming liberal working for the LA Times who coined the term about Obama. Misread the part about Sharpton, however, point still stands. Indeed, white liberals project their racism onto every one because they are racists. Just like when Joe Biden mentioned that Barack Obama was "clean and articulate."

Anonymous Alexander April 20, 2015 1:30 PM  

The problem next year will be nominating a slate of people who will accept the nominations without being clued in: if you elect a bunch of SJWs, they'll either refuse up front and crow about it, or pull a Scalzi, accept, and say they are beating us by accepting.

No, what we need is a slate that cannot be No Awarded, but with low-information nominees who won't have any idea what is going on, and will go rabid ape-shit if they think someone is trying to take an award away from them.

Next year, I believe I will be nominating five black romance novels, probably involving a preacher and a sistuh, for 2015 best works.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2015 1:31 PM  

Porky April 20, 2015 12:02 PM
You could not be more wrong. Chu was inside his opponents OODA loop before he was even chosen to be on the show.



you are hilarious. i would ask if you were trolling me, but you've been so insistent on stupid shit so many times before.

here's a hint:
OODA loop was originally developed as a paradigm to analyze combat between individual fighter planes.

what is 'strategic' about the Red Baron shooting down Snoopy?




Heh April 20, 2015 12:05 PM
Other than making sure you know a lot about Shakespeare, the Bible, Opera, and other subjects they always seem to ask about.



a - study of trivia is now 'strategy'?
b - as if no other contestant on Jeopardy does this?

Porky was talking about how Chu was conducting himself during the game. and while i didn't watch, it seems the closest thing to a 'strategy' was his use of the "Forrest Bounce".

which in reality, was simply an alternative TACTIC to the normal choice of starting with the least valuable question and proceeding to the bottom of the category. as most people do.

being different from the TACTIC that everyone else uses gives you ... "Tactical Suprise". it in no way elevates your level of play to "Strategic".

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 20, 2015 1:32 PM  

Not like that will do a whole lot anyways but it's more than just another broken promise from the Gov., though.

No it isn't. It's just another broken promise from the government. It wasn't ever anything else.

Anonymous Scintan April 20, 2015 1:34 PM  

If you read through John ONeill's posts on the matter he's not withdrawing because he hates SP/RP or loves SJWs. He's mad because SP/RP overturned the apple cart and exposed the rotten apples on the bottom.

O'Neill has pretty conclusively shown that he's part of the problem.

Anonymous Scintan April 20, 2015 1:35 PM  

My 1:34 post was put into the wrong thread. My apologies.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 20, 2015 1:40 PM  

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Anonymous Long Time Lurker April 20, 2015 1:48 PM  

Thanks Mark. I stand corrected, the term was coined by that flaming liberal David Ehrenstein who works for the LA Times. I misread the part about Sharpton, however, point still stands.

Anonymous Porky April 20, 2015 2:11 PM  

what is 'strategic' about the Red Baron shooting down Snoopy?

Chu openly admitted that he was not the most well read or the most knowledgeable contestant. So he strategized to overcome his weakness by using chaos to his advantage.

So really it was more like Snoopy shooting down the Red Baron.

being different from the TACTIC that everyone else uses gives you ... "Tactical Suprise". it in no way elevates your level of play to "Strategic".

If it was simply a tactic without a strategy it would not have been successful.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2015 2:17 PM  

Porky April 20, 2015 2:11 PM
If it was simply a tactic without a strategy it would not have been successful.



soooo, the losing side of EVERY conflict has 'no strategy'?

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/88/ee/27/88ee27ad8e91bb618ebcaa4f0a330c56.jpg

truly, your dumbassitude knows no bounds.

superior strategy is defeated by tactical surprise regularly. see: chess, especially the gambit openings.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 2:19 PM  

If it was simply a tactic without a strategy it would not have been successful.

A tactic without a strategy can certainly be successful in many areas. Think about what you're saying.

Jeopardy is not a game that *requires* a strategy to be successful with.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2015 2:24 PM  

Student in Blue April 20, 2015 2:19 PM
Jeopardy is not a game that *requires* a strategy to be successful with.



fast thumb clicking and extensive trivia knowledge, now defined as 'strategy' in the brave new world of Common Core curricula.

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I April 20, 2015 2:26 PM  

@Nate @Alexander

" whichever dago ran the Spanish Inquisition's interrogations,"

Now wait just one damn minute here people! Someone actually used DAGO as a derogative on this blog.. and we're not going any further with this discussion until we acknowledge just how God Damn awesome that is.


Torquemada was Spanish not Italian; therefor the correct epithet is spic.

The Spanish Inquisition
Expected by no one since 1970

Blogger john black April 20, 2015 2:27 PM  

"I will not just accept that that what was promised to be returned to us was just a tax the whole time. I will hold them to what they owe. Not like that will do a whole lot anyways but it's more than just another broken promise from the Gov., though."

You must be a boomer.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 20, 2015 2:33 PM  

"I won't be surprised if I'm accused of being a self-admitted member of the Taliban by the time this feeding frenzy reaches its peak. "

Vox day says "I'm ...a self-admitted member of the Taliban"

"Cry cry whine, I see repeated use of the term "social Justic warrior" and "Rabbit" here."
~ check out the pink rabbit I found, I would give you a trigger warning but you are probably triggered by everything on the site.. http://whiterabbitradio.net/down-with-pink-rabbits

"The people who are crazy about same-sex marriage..."

Someone needs to do a documentary on surgeons who have been divorced and done wrong by asset splitting and Alimony. Everyone thinks they will be laying about smoking pot on their ex husbands expense, never the one paying for it.

"they often catch guests off guard with their questions about how the subject of the discussion affects women, gays,"

How does moslem immigration affect W G? Women get raped and gays lose their heads.

"over turned the courts after winning in general election after general election... in those crazy red states like California."

Don't forget that conservative place San Fran has worse disparate impact of blacks being arrested than Ferguson.

OpenID cailcorishev April 20, 2015 2:33 PM  

There seems to be a direct correlation between cat ownership and idiocy.

I think the actual correlation is with litter box ownership. If there's a correlation with barn cats which live outdoors and fend for themselves, it'd have to be negative.

You can't be completely right in the head and let an animal crap inside your house.

Blogger kh123 April 20, 2015 2:35 PM  

"...so fringe, so thoroughly dismissed, so completely impossible to ever be taken seriously or included in any debate of consequence and so shockingly repugnant to the vast majority of people..."

You forgot: So completely glazed with a delicious caramelized onion puree, served on rye with red wine.

Anonymous Porky April 20, 2015 2:38 PM  

soooo, the losing side of EVERY conflict has 'no strategy'?

No. If a weaker opponent does not employ strategy he cannot win consistently on tactics alone. He will simply create chaos, and unless he has some strategy in mind as to what to DO with that chaos... he won't last very long.

A tactic without a strategy can certainly be successful in many areas. Think about what you're saying.

If you possess superior strength, yes. You can utilize the tactic of hammering the crap out of your opponent without much thought to an overall strategy. But a weaker opponent typically must strategize to win. This is what Chu did. He knew he'd never study enough to put himself in the game, so he took his opponents out of the game. Brilliant strategy.

OpenID cailcorishev April 20, 2015 2:39 PM  

Someone actually used DAGO as a derogative on this blog

Heh. Growing up in the 1980s Midwest, I'd never heard that word, until one year in school we had to go visit with old people in a nursing home every week. There was this one old guy who talked about how the "dagos" were out to get him. One time he'd fallen in the hallway, and he told us the dagos knocked him down with 'lectricity. He was awesome; we all wanted to sit with him. I didn't know until years later what the heck he was talking about.

Blogger Cee April 20, 2015 2:48 PM  

Hmmmm..... my red-pill consciousness does seem to have grown stronger the few years since our last cat died... coincidence?
Coincidence. If you've got T. gondii, you're stuck with the brain damage for life.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2015 2:52 PM  

Porky April 20, 2015 2:38 PM
If you possess superior strength, yes.



gambits are specifically designed to exchange material ( giving you weaker relative strength ) in order to achieve tactical surprise in the opening, which MUST be exploited in a fairly quick attack on the King or other recouping material exchange.

otherwise you get crushed in the strategic endgame. many times you won't even get out of the middle game.


Porky April 20, 2015 2:38 PM
But a weaker opponent typically must strategize to win.


listen, i am WELL AWARE that the great unwashed improperly use terms like tactics/strategy all the time.

nevertheless, repeatedly asserting it does not make it so.



Porky April 20, 2015 2:38 PM
and unless he has some strategy in mind



click button MOAR FASTER.

OODA is a paradigm. it can be applied to any aspect of the battlespace, but is usually most relevant to the tactical.

misusing .mil jargon ( go on, try enfilade ) and claiming it makes your point isn't fooling anybody.

Blogger Jim April 20, 2015 3:03 PM  

t. gondii can cause brain damage in extreme cases, but it's not common.

http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/toxoplasmosis/gen_info/faqs.html

Anonymous Porky April 20, 2015 3:03 PM  

superior strategy is defeated by tactical surprise regularly. see: chess, especially the gambit openings.

So when Viswanathan uses the King's Gambit you think he doesn't have some overall strategy in mind?

Blogger Jim April 20, 2015 3:04 PM  

Clarification "it's not common"
Meaning that the brain damage from extreme cases isn't common. Becoming infected with t. gondii is quite common

Anonymous DeepThought April 20, 2015 3:05 PM  

@The Medium

Do you actually think your views are new? Notice how you espouse tolerance by being intolerant. In your case, it is obvious we are dealing with a mid-wit with little understanding of logic.

I would recommend discussing your topic with my 12 year old daughter. You will have much better chance of persuading a child than anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

Notice how few friends you have. Maybe, just maybe, your arrogance is covering such insecurities that it over whelms all other aspects of your personality.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 20, 2015 3:08 PM  

We climbed and we climbed,
Oh, how we climbed.
My---yyyyy, how we climbed.
Over the stars,
To [the top of] Tiger Mountain,
Forcing the lines
Thru the snow.

-- Brian Eno, "Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy", after the Peking opera..

Now be quiet.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2015 3:08 PM  

Porky April 20, 2015 3:03 PM
So when Viswanathan uses the King's Gambit you think he doesn't have some overall strategy in mind?




do *i* think that a Grand Master does NOT use strategy? do *i* think that anyone ranked over 1900 does NOT use strategy when playing chess?

i'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.

the use of strategy does not exclude the use of tactics.

the use of tactics does not exclude the use of strategy.

the fact that you can't differentiate between the two is not my problem.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 20, 2015 3:10 PM  

Nate and the Pope,
Exactly. Dago is no spic.
And I referred to myself as a Dago many weeks or moons ago, so i can lay claim to that awesomeness too.

Anonymous Porky April 20, 2015 3:13 PM  

click button MOAR FASTER.

Now you're being disingenuous. This was never Chu's strategy.

Please admit you just made this up.

Anonymous Porky April 20, 2015 3:16 PM  

i'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.

Well, it was you who said superior strategy was "defeated regularly" by tactics.

If you meant something else you should have said so.

Anonymous GreyS April 20, 2015 3:43 PM  

...at least 9 out of 10 people who discover me as a result are going to immediately notice that I am not even close to what they say I am.

So, I expect this to be not only a net positive, but a significant net positive.


These people are geniuses-- they keep opening up rent-free recruiting centers for the Ilk Army in enemy territory.

Blogger Mark Citadel April 20, 2015 3:52 PM  

Any publicity is good publicity

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 4:06 PM  

"If you actually knew what you were talking about and not just guessing, you would realize that "SJW" and "rabbit" are not just codewords for "liberal"."

Of course that's what these term are a proxy for.

Still, the primary point is only that Mr. day's continued whining about the "unfair" coverage he gets is more evidence of his far fringe views. The guy thinks that demeaning blacks , women, Jews and homosexuals ought not disqualify him from getting a fair hearing. And his Ilk appear not only to believe the same but believe they represent the tip of the iceberg. To the normal people this is hysterical lunacy.

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I April 20, 2015 4:19 PM  

@Medium

What exactly do you know about normal? The vast majority of "normal people" don't know and don't care but a good many of them would look at the useless tripe that you peddle and call you an idiot. The fact that Vox and other "far fringe" folks do not get media coverage is largely due to the fact that the media is run by people who espouse the rubbish you wish to foist on the rest of us.

Repeating a lie does not make it the truth.
Shouting the same lie does not mean it will be heard.

Blogger kh123 April 20, 2015 4:22 PM  

It's pronounced "pwoxeh," Tad. The lingua franca from the Beltway Masters of the Universe to the rabbits is vital - and essential - for a properly working constitution in the morning.

Anonymous George OTH April 20, 2015 4:29 PM  

It's pronounced "pwoxeh," Tad.

In Tad's case isn't it "prokthy"?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 20, 2015 4:31 PM  

I don't know why you would bring up PBS. The Dinosaur media is dead air already. PBS has even fewer viewers than that. At this point I don't believe that even members of their immediate family watch these clowns burning electricity to fill the ether.
PBS is so dead they can cover the same story and say the same thing for years and no one who isn't in therapy or a mental institution for substance abuse problems and anger management issues will even know anything about it. I think I know more about the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot than anything on PBS.

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 4:38 PM  

"What exactly do you know about normal?"

I know this much...the following beliefs are held by a fringe of the fringe:

Women can't be trusted
Educated women are dangerous to a nation
Blacks can't build civilizations
Jews ought to be thrown out of Europe
Sympathy with the murderers of women who want education
A stated willingness to kill infants if God says so
Constantly referring to a president as "The Magic Negro"
Advocating for stripping women of voting rights
Husbands may take sex from their wives - no argument

Even Mr. Day knows this is far fringe stuff. He knows where he sits on the spectrum. The fact that you can't admit to this only tells me that you've been blinded by something different than truth.


Blogger luagha April 20, 2015 4:40 PM  

As a child, my Italian-American friend's favorite joke was, "Italian tires are the best in the world! Dago here, dago there, dago everywhere! But when dago flat, dago wop wop wop!"

Reminds me of when the original "Porky's" movie came out and I had to explain to all my little friends what 'kike' was all about. I'd only learned about it from reading old MAD magazines from the 1950's.

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 4:43 PM  

"I don't know why you would bring up PBS. The Dinosaur media is dead air already. PBS has even fewer viewers than that."

PBS' prime time audience is larger than HBO. it's also ranked as the most trustworthy source of news.

One of the problems with unthinking Koolaid drinkers like you is you assume your opinions and beliefs must be true, rather than simply opinions and belief. What I wonder is if realizing that what you think isn't true is one of the things that pushes weak personalities over to the fringe.

Anonymous GreyS April 20, 2015 4:48 PM  

I see repeated use of the term "social Justic warrior" and "Rabbit" here. Two terms that are simple substitutes for "liberal". That's all fine and the attempt to humiliate the liberal leaning people with these terms is at least creative.

You are merely pretending to not understand the differences and definitions in order to disguise the fact that the terms 'SJW' and 'Rabbit' cause you pain. And you do so because you want to attempt to make your kind into a bigger, more 'normal', more powerful group than it actually is. Which is what you are attempting in this next bit:


But what's striking is the fact that those who oppose liberals have to have noticed that they are on the butt end of the social issue argumets; their cases fall on deaf ears. It surely has something to do with the quality of the cases they try to make.

Not sure what "butt end of the social issue arguments" means. What I do know is that it is completely and utterly obvious that non-liberal opinions on various issues DO NOT fall on deaf ears whatsoever. It's pretty clear that more and more people listen and read and discuss these views all the time. VD's number have grown dramatically and the squealing from various quarters proves there certainly aren't deaf ears there either.

Heck-- VD virtually personally decides on what the daily content will be on half the SFF blogs and sites. There is no question that VD definitely can personally decide what Scalzi posts about any given week. Every single one of his SFF enemies reads this blog daily if not hourly. And here you come playing "We just like to see the spectacle of a dying breed" --all while being an obvious longtime reader.

Blogger Marissa April 20, 2015 4:57 PM  

PBS' prime time audience is larger than HBO. it's also ranked as the most trustworthy source of news.

Back up these two assertions or retract them.

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 5:06 PM  

"You are merely pretending to not understand the differences and definitions in order to disguise the fact that the terms 'SJW' and 'Rabbit' cause you pain."

When my little boy pulls on my chest hair, that causes me pain...Not when you babble on about differences without distinctions.

"It's pretty clear that more and more people listen and read and discuss these views all the time"

You mean these issues:
Women can't be trusted
Educated women are dangerous to a nation
Blacks can't build civilizations
Jews ought to be thrown out of Europe
Sympathy with the murderers of women who want education
A stated willingness to kill infants if God says so
Constantly referring to a president as "The Magic Negro"
Advocating for stripping women of voting rights
Husbands may take sex from their wives - no argument


The fringe of the fringe discusses these issues. And to the extent that everyone else discusses them depends on whether or not they are in the mood to laugh.

"VD's number have grown dramatically and the squealing from various quarters proves there certainly aren't deaf ears there either."

One wonders if those squeals can be heard over the yelps and yaps of Mr. Day in response to "not being treated fairly" (an ironic yap it is too).

Anonymous GreyS April 20, 2015 5:20 PM  

When my little boy pulls on my chest hair, that causes me pain...Not when you babble on about differences without distinctions.

Nah. You are an obvious longtime reader and are play-acting as if you are ignorant of the terms. There is a reason for your play-acting. Just the fact that you are purposely avoiding it shows that it bothers you.


You mean these issues:
Women can't be trusted
Educated women are dangerous to a nation
Blacks can't build civilizations
Jews ought to be thrown out of Europe
Sympathy with the murderers of women who want education
A stated willingness to kill infants if God says so
Constantly referring to a president as "The Magic Negro"
Advocating for stripping women of voting rights
Husbands may take sex from their wives - no argument.


Yes, those are some of the issues. (Ignoring your framing for a moment). There are many other issues. Now-- YOU personally don't discuss these issues-- YOU avoid actually discussing them. But many other people actually discuss them. That you don't like that is largely immaterial.

One wonders if those squeals can be heard over the yelps and yaps of Mr. Day in response to "not being treated fairly" (an ironic yap it is too).

Yawn.

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 5:22 PM  

HA HA HA HA! DISREGARD THAT! I SUCK COCKS!

Anonymous Zippy April 20, 2015 5:30 PM  

Medium, you are correct that "blacks can't build civilizations" is currently outside the Overton window. It's not a statement that one can make in polite company, nor is it one that any mainstream politician or even a conventional conservative will embrace.

However, one thing about Overton windows is they move. They move in part because some people just don't care about respectable opinion. Vox is one such.

The statement "blacks can't build a civilization" has at least one virtue: it's true. Blacks have had their own countries, and they've never managed to build anything close to a civilization. When they take over a polity with an existing civilization (as in Detroit), they destroy it.

This does not mean that individual blacks aren't capable of functioning within a civilization, and even contributing to it. There are more than 30 million blacks in the United States. Even with a bell curve a standard deviation below the white bell curve, there are blacks who are quite intelligent and capable.

But built a civilization? Or even maintain a preexisting one? What evidence do you have that they can?

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 5:43 PM  

"YOU personally don't discuss these issues-- YOU avoid actually discussing them. But many other people actually discuss them."

Discussion of these issues does occur. You are correct. Just not very much, not in polite or normal company and and when they are discussed it's usually because some fringe dweller popped up in the main stream media and a bit of mocking ensues.


"Medium, you are correct that "blacks can't build civilizations" is currently outside the Overton window. It's not a statement that one can make in polite company, nor is it one that any mainstream politician or even a conventional conservative will embrace"

Of course I'm correct. You don't need to dwell too long on any of these views to recognize their absurdity and rank ideological origin. They have the character of being both wrong and offensive—two qualities that don't often gather too many adherents.

Blogger Danby April 20, 2015 5:50 PM  

@Medium,
You remind me of a line in You're a Good Man Charlie Brown

"With a heart of gold, you believe what you're told, every single solitary word."

You're indoctrinated, and unable to even begin to question your indoctrination, or even see that you are indoctrinated.

You think that the only important measure is what other people think, and since every GOOD person agrees with you, we are not just wrong we are BAD. In fact, you define good and bad fairly strictly in terms of what position a person holds.

The problem with that point of view (Dilbert asks, "since when has ignorance been a point of view?"), is that reality doesn't care what people think.

But maybe, if you annoy us enough, teacher will give you another little gold star on your paper!

Anonymous GreyS April 20, 2015 5:53 PM  

Discussion of these issues does occur. You are correct. Just not very much, not in polite or normal company and and when they are discussed it's usually because some fringe dweller popped up in the main stream media and a bit of mocking ensues.

Of course there are issues that virtually no one else touches. That's beside the point. All you are doing is attempting to put VD and all the SP/RP etc issues into a box, seal it up, label it all using the more controversial issues, shove it into a corner and say "Not worth talking about."

It's a lame approach. Especially when it is obvious you are a longtime reader.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 20, 2015 5:57 PM  

Ach.

Anonymous scooby dooby doo April 20, 2015 6:03 PM  

I'm reminded of a thing Steve Sailer once said;

"I don't care whether or not the statement is 'racist,' I care whether or not it's TRUE."

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 6:43 PM  

"Of course there are issues that virtually no one else touches. That's beside the point."

It's not beside the point. The reason there are issues that virtually no one touches is because those issues have largely been put to bed and don't require debate. It's much like the fact that few if any people debate the proper way to dance in order to create rain. We don't have this discussion any more because proponents of rain dances have lost most of their adherents. In the same way, people don't discuss whether women should vote, whether men should be able to take sex from their wives against their will or whether toddlers ought to be killed if God says so. These issues were put to bed a long time ago.

Granted, some folks still think dancing and rain are connected and some folks still believe women shouldn't vote. But when they get vocal about these ideas or the ideas are showcased outside the confines of the dwellers beneath the bridge, you tend to get the kind of reaction that Mr. Day has received.

Blogger John Wright April 20, 2015 6:45 PM  

"Discussion of these issues does occur. You are correct. Just not very much, not in polite or normal company..."

Just out of curiosity, when did the Stalinist, profanity-laced, shrieking and venom-filled harpy cages of the perverts, ne'er'-do-wells, grifters, panhandlers, absinthe-drinkers, malcontents, shabby psuedo-intellectuals and pathological liars of the far left suddenly somehow become normal and polite?

When has the Left ever used the word normal as a term of praise?

When has the Left ever elevated all the filth of the world, from sodomy to kiddie porn to mere bad language upward to a more refined and civil plane of discourse rather than full speed ahead the other way, into the deepest cesspools of degradation, pedal to the metal and nitrous oxide injected into the engine, and afterburners roaring?

When, praytell?

Anonymous The Medium April 20, 2015 6:57 PM  

"Just out of curiosity, when did the Stalinist, profanity-laced, shrieking and venom-filled harpy cages of the perverts, ne'er'-do-wells, grifters, panhandlers, absinthe-drinkers, malcontents, shabby psuedo-intellectuals and pathological liars of the far left suddenly somehow become normal and polite?"

Right about the time your father stopped beating your mother.

Anonymous Tad is a fag nigger April 20, 2015 7:29 PM  

fuck off, Tad.

Anonymous Harsh April 20, 2015 7:50 PM  

Right about the time your father stopped beating your mother.

Free tip, son. Your mistake is thinking that this is clever.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2015 8:08 PM  

Right about the time your father stopped beating your mother.

So... you're saying the far left becoming normal and polite has never happened in the first place?

I see.

Anonymous Tyrion April 20, 2015 8:08 PM  

Hahaha, the Popehat guys are beating Vox Day like a rented mule:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Popehat/status/590290136442605569

Anonymous Nathan April 20, 2015 8:16 PM  

@Tyrion,

Meh, weak snark. No meat, no wit. And a known and identified cyberstalker that preyed on women yapping around the thread. Please, try harder.

Anonymous Tyrion April 20, 2015 8:46 PM  

Nathan: OK. This beat down of John C. Wright is even more devastating...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Popehat/status/589200642603819009

You wanna keep playing?

Anonymous Harsh April 20, 2015 8:49 PM  

You wanna keep playing?

Son, we've barely started playing yet. These are opening moves. You don't even know where the battlefield is.

Anonymous Nathan April 20, 2015 8:53 PM  

And? Once again, weak snark and in-group posturing you can hear at any high school lunch room. Devastating? No. Boring? Yes.

Anonymous OnceDroppedChalupa April 20, 2015 8:55 PM  

Popehat? The blog with the gay-marriage-loving bigot who polices his comments like an Einsatzgruppen SS trooper to hide or alter comments that deflate his arguments (namely, Kenny)? Or the doubletalking pinko-libertarian hybrid who takes whatever position will generate the most attention (Clark)?

That Popehat?

Just as a broken analog clock is right twice per day, Ken does some good work for 1st Amendment issues. But his ingrained biases undercut the strength of his arguments.

And it is telling that he tosses out accusations and runs away like a gamma rabbit.

Anonymous Harsh April 20, 2015 9:02 PM  

Hahaha, the Popehat guys are beating Vox Day like a rented mule:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Popehat/status/590290136442605569


It's pretty funny when our intellectual inferiors come here and say so-and-so "owned" Vox and then the example they post proves the exact opposite. But then I guess if they didn't do that, they wouldn't be inferior.

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