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Thursday, April 09, 2015

Sun Tzu and the SJWs

In the podcast interview last night, I made a comment about how SJWs have been able to apply one element of Sun Tzu's strategic recommendations to great success throughout the culture. And, when I thought a bit more about it, I realized there is also a second element that their deceitful nature allows them to successfully implement reliably without even being aware of it.

The first is this:

It has been said aforetime that he who knows both sides has nothing to fear in a hundred fights; he who is ignorant of the enemy, and fixes his eyes only on his own side, conquers, and the next time is defeated; he who not only is ignorant of the enemy, but also of his own resources, is invariably defeated.

The second is this:

War is a thing of pretence: therefore, when capable of action, we pretend disability; when near to the enemy, we pretend to be far; when far away, we pretend to be near. Allure the enemy by giving him a small advantage. Confuse and capture him. If there be defects, give an appearance of perfection, and awe the enemy. Pretend to be strong, and so cause the enemy to avoid you. Make him angry, and confuse his plans. Pretend to be inferior, and cause him to despise you. If he have superabundance of strength, tire him out; if united, make divisions in his camp. Attack weak points, and appear in unexpected places.

Remember, SJWs ALWAYS LIE. Deceit is not second nature to them, it is their first and most reliable instinct. They will lie when they do not have to. They will lie when there is no reason to. They will lie when their lies are easily detected. They will lie when their lies are bound to be exposed. They will lie and and dissemble and exaggerate and spin with such shameless abandon that the average individual will find it almost impossible to believe they are doing so.


And because war is a thing of pretence, their deceitful nature makes them very successful in conflict as long as their enemy does not realize how deceitful they are, anticipate their inevitable pretenses, and take advantage of them.

Sun Tzu says: "victory is to the side that excels in the foregoing matters." That means that if you do not anticipate SJW deceit, if you are not proactively prepared to penetrate, expose, and defend against their lies, you will lose to them.

But defeat is not inevitable, it's not even likely, given the first element. Due to their deceitful and self-deceptive natures, SJWs neither know themselves nor their enemy. I'll have a post later today demonstrating this: their descriptions of me and my motivations are risibly far off the mark. Because they are emotional and for the most part limited to the rhetorical level, no amount of information is capable of changing their minds, so SJW failure tends to reinforce itself rather than be corrected. (That's why they always double-down right up until they give up.)

This ignorant self-delusion is significantly to our advantage. The problem conservatives have is that while they know themselves, they fix their eyes only on their own side and remain ignorant of the enemy. Thus the conservative "conquers, and the next time is defeated". The conservative knows himself and mistakenly assumes that his enemy is just like him.

Because they know neither themselves nor us, the SJWs will be "invariably defeated" so long as we identify them and see them for what they are: liars and self-deceivers. We have the ability to win every conflict with them, and yet we will inevitably lose everywhere we refuse to see them for what they are or refuse to take the field.

And, by the by, this is why reading books like A HISTORY OF STRATEGY is so often useful. One simply never knows how the intellectual seeds planted by the author will sprout in one's mind.

UPDATE: Case in point:
神乃木荘龍 ‏@SoryuKaminogi
.@voxday You're abysmally stupid and yet somehow disturbingly malign. Like a crocodile or a cancerous hangnail. 
Notice how their rhetoric is incoherent. They have to cling to the idea that their enemy is stupid - to do otherwise would risk harming their fragile self-esteem - but somehow this "abysmally stupid" opponent is a dangerous risk. This can only be explained by attributing the danger to evil that goes well beyond the pedestrian variety, and reaches the level of disturbing malignity.

So, they choose to believe in a very stupid, very malignant enemy rather than an intelligent opposition. Needless to say, this violates the first principle mentioned above, which is to know your enemy. They simply don't know themselves well enough to permit them to do that.

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68 Comments:

OpenID simplytimothy April 09, 2015 5:51 AM  

It is a relief to go on offense and jump into the fray instead of just watching events unfold. I very much appreciate your work.

This is fun, thanks.

Anonymous Strange Aeons April 09, 2015 6:04 AM  

From the Ministry of SocJus:
"Using Sun Tzu against us is Oriental cultural appropriation."

Blogger Lovekraft April 09, 2015 6:07 AM  

The men's movement for lack of a better term is slowly coming to this conclusion and developing an overarching set of principles - namely a resolute demand that our innate desires, balanced with wisdom and compassion, be respected.

Once these principles are laid out, then it will be very easy to detect phonies and ward off dilution. So out go the bloodthirsty flag-wavers, the limp-wristed pajamaboys, the navel-gazing intellectuals. Baby boomers are drifting off, left-wing media can be spotted a mile away, and urban hipster douches don't have the breeding to sustain their numbers.

Know thyself, men. What makes you want to get up in the morning, as opposed to what forces you to get up.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 09, 2015 6:39 AM  

They lose the support of the neutrals once they are exposed and the best exposure comes out of their own mouths. Once their rhetorical attack is blunted, broken up they're pretty much easy pickings, then they go off into individual spectacle.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 09, 2015 6:51 AM  

Another aspect to consider, and you indirectly mentioned the kernel of it last night, is forms of lying aren't necessarily easy. Telling a stupid lie puts one at a strategic disadvantage. Many people can pick up on lying, or at least have a gut instinct.

Disinformation and illusion are powerful tools, even lying to your enemy is. If you can do it well and without detection.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 09, 2015 7:00 AM  

Didn't Marx say it plainly that truth is a bourgeoise concept? Its fine, they can lie to me, but their lying to a larger audience must not stand unopposed. This includes all of them from street level SJW weasel to the top weasels who sit in corporate media propaganda departments, they can lie to me I expect it but what they do to their audiences is criminal and unjust.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 09, 2015 7:30 AM  

Realize this though, the conservative intellectuals have propped these scum bags up by granting them unfounded respect by leaping into intellectual debate without pointing out to the audience that the SJW marxies are liars.

Take atheism, it is nothing but political rhetoric, nothing more and it serves the political system, but that was never pointed out in a simple truth bearing statement consistently delivered to the audience.

Of course you doubt me so then ask an atheist to denounce allah publically, atheism is a complete fraud as is "racism."

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A April 09, 2015 7:31 AM  

"Mr.MantraMan April 09, 2015 7:00 AM

Didn't Marx say it plainly that truth is a bourgeoise concept? Its fine, they can lie to me, but their lying to a larger audience must not stand unopposed. This includes all of them from street level SJW weasel to the top weasels who sit in corporate media propaganda departments, they can lie to me I expect it but what they do to their audiences is criminal and unjust."

All the more reason to fight them. Engage with the goal of convincing those who observe you, not your interlocutor. You have a better chance of changing the mind of an observer, or giving them the strength to engage these tyrants themselves, than you do of shifting the stance of an SWJ.

Anonymous Feh April 09, 2015 7:41 AM  

There is really no excuse for conservatives to be ignorant of the enemy. The enemy has been in their face for decades.

"The conservative knows himself and mistakenly assumes that his enemy is just like him."

It is more of a problem that conservatives think their so-called allies ("moderates") are just like him. They're not. If you form an alliance with someone you mistakenly think is like you, you will inevitably be defeated when they betray you. And yet this has happened time and time again for decades (you can point to examples of this going back to the 1940s at least).

Anonymous Peter Garstig April 09, 2015 7:44 AM  

Due to their deceitful and self-deceptive natures, SJWs neither know themselves nor their enemy.

That's why I mentioned the lying as their weakness in the other thread. As you said, they double-down, even when exposed. But what might play even a bigger role is that an SJW simply can't trust even their allies/other SJWs; as they lie as well. That's why the SJW runs around headless, has total breakdowns and is always looking for validation by other SJWs - he wants to see his lies validated.

And he will be validated just as long as he's useful to the warren. He (and we) knows what happens when he's no longer usefull.

We're not facing an army, we're facing individuals.

Anonymous Randall April 09, 2015 7:52 AM  

The conservative knows himself and mistakenly assumes that his enemy is just like him.

I learned this lesson many years ago when dealing with a conflict in an SJW-infected workplace. I spent considerable time anticipating what their next move might be, worrying needlessly about what might happen given the scenarios I came up with. An older, wiser friend of mine told me that there was no way they were thinking this far ahead or were even thinking about it in the same manner. I doubted him at first, but he turned out to be correct.

My expectation that other people were motivated by more rational thought processes has led me to be in such a state of bewilderment over the years that my own social development suffered. I even wasted a college degree studying psychology in hopes that I could better understand people. It turns out that I have overcomplicated things to my own detriment. The fact is that MPAI.

Anonymous Salt April 09, 2015 7:53 AM  

an SJW simply can't trust even their allies/other SJWs; as they lie as well

Quite true, so fostering internal distrust within their ranks should be in our playbook.

Anonymous Bobo April 09, 2015 8:06 AM  

"We're not facing an army, we're facing individuals."

Do a search for "The Hive" by Joe Sobran
Very informative about this point and Leftism in general.

Anonymous Espantoon April 09, 2015 8:10 AM  

“. . . they are emotional and for the most part limited to the rhetorical level, no amount of information is capable of changing their minds . . .” This.

During years of (futilely) opposing the Gaystapo in a mainline church setting, it became obvious that arguments from the Bible, reason, morality, biology and psychology, etc., had zero effect on them. They are all about their own feelings and the emotional manipulation of others. Rage, sadness, sob stories aimed at plucking the heartstrings of sentimentalists, appeals to fairness and justice. All pure rhetoric. And it works. No one wants to risk hurting little Jon’s or Jane’s feelings or provoking their wrath when they “come out,” and no one wants to be labelled a “homophobe” or “hater,” so most folks take the path of least resistance and either fall silent or choose to accept behavior which they know in their hearts is a sin in the eyes of God.

“. . . the SJWs will be ‘invariably defeated’ so long as we identify them and see them for what they are: liars and self-deceivers. We have the ability to win every conflict with them. . .” I can identify them and see them for what they are, but can someone here explain how to engage them in a way that will break through the shell of their narcissism? If dialectic (or moral suasion, rational arguments, Biblical exegesis, etc.) fail, do we double down on the rhetoric, or what?

Anonymous Dikaios_Rik April 09, 2015 8:13 AM  

"From the Ministry of SocJus:
"Using Sun Tzu against us is Oriental cultural appropriation.""

To take a leaf out of the SJW book: as a half-Greek, quarter-Chinese and quarter-Japanese man, I grant VD unlimited permission to appropriate Sun Tzu all he wants.

Blogger Nate April 09, 2015 8:17 AM  

First time they had someone want to call in... nice. it'll be interesting to see what kind of traffic boost the 405 got from the interview.

Blogger Jassi April 09, 2015 8:41 AM  

"ask an atheist to denounce allah publically"

Is this supposed to be taken seriously? Atheists in Australia just had a huge anti-Islam rally. The whole draw Mohamhead thing was atheist inspired, and I vaguely remember a number of other atheist against Islam "happenings" in other parts of the world.

A real test would be to ask them to denounce Judaism. The taboo of criticizing Islam is long dead.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 09, 2015 8:44 AM  

"From the Ministry of SocJus:
"Using Sun Tzu against us is Oriental cultural appropriation."


So is using Jazz Hands instead of clapping. As someone whose ancestors came from Africa. I'm quite offended.(admittedly my ancestors left 70,000 years ago but still...quite offended),

Anonymous That Would Be Telling April 09, 2015 8:44 AM  

I can identify [SJWs] and see them for what they are, but can someone here explain how to engage them in a way that will break through the shell of their narcissism? If dialectic (or moral suasion, rational arguments, Biblical exegesis, etc.) fail, do we double down on the rhetoric, or what?

Is there the slightest bit of evidence they can be reformed? Or should we write them off, and focus on removing them from the public square?

Blogger JDC April 09, 2015 8:44 AM  

During years of (futilely) opposing the Gaystapo in a mainline church setting, it became obvious that arguments from the Bible, reason, morality, biology and psychology, etc., had zero effect on them.

Amen. In 2005 I was a seminary student, and attended a pastor's conference in Minneapolis for the purpose of discussing the ELCA's proposals to ordain homosexual clergy and permit same sex blessings.

There were about 300 pastors and vicars in attendance. We broke up into small groups of 20 to discuss prepared questions, and then shared with the larger group. Eighty percent of the room was in support of the changes. While some stood and shared that this was clearly against God's written word and the tradition of the church, they were basically shouted down.

What we heard was story after story of how sad / intolerant / non-loving the 20% were. One guy stood up, tears in his eyes, stating that he couldn't attend a church that wouldn't ordain his gay son (even though his gay son had no desire to become a pastor). One woman stood and (again, tears), stated that she wants to be part of a church that would marry her gay nephew.

Sad story after story came forth. When, in my small group I challenged them (from scripture), their faux-tears quickly turned into anger. One woman even threatened to contact my candidacy committee (which at the time was in NC - an overall conservative voice in the ELCA).

IMO, conservatives / Christians suffer from a delusional understanding of love and tolerance, thinking that we must endure all types of nonsense for the purposes of peace. Paul wrote that, "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. (Rom 12:18)." Paul lists two conditions for peace. First - "if possible" (implying that it may not always be), and secondly (as far as it depends on you), implying that the other side may not be so dependable.

Contrast this with his tone in Galatians. What did he have to say to the two agitators who were trying to add to the simple Gospel proclamation that faith in Christ is what saves? "As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! (Gal 5:12)."

Anonymous Stephen J. April 09, 2015 8:46 AM  

I'll indulge in my usual hair-splitting with our host's permission, and suggest that rather than lying the best term is bulls**ting.

To lie is to state what one consciously knows not to be true. To bulls**t is to state what one believes will put one at best advantage in that moment, regardless of whatever its actual truth content may be -- it's not so much that the bulls**tter knows he's wrong as that he doesn't care whether he's right or wrong so long as people listen to him right there and then.

The real trouble is when lying and bulls**tting are used together, because then it becomes virtually impossible to disentangle, and the first person to accuse an opponent of dishonesty is always at a rhetorical disadvantage with the audience, especially if that audience is already disinclined to accept his statements.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 09, 2015 8:55 AM  

I'm up against my commenting limit, but yes, make an atheist denounce Islam in public or be seen as nothing more than a low rent political operative. I don't know Australian politics but here in Murka that is the political coalition. Make them fight let them fight encourage them to fight. The left should fight one another not just the "common enemy" (us).

Anonymous p-dawg April 09, 2015 9:00 AM  

"so most folks take the path of least resistance and either fall silent or choose to accept behavior which they know in their hearts is a sin in the eyes of God."

You mean like men and women having sex before marriage? Like eating pork and shellfish at church dinners? Like destroying the concept of the Sabbath by "changing" it to Apollo worship on Sunday instead of Creator worship on the Sabbath day that He laid out? Stuff like that? Or do you only object to the gay sins?

Blogger dude April 09, 2015 9:05 AM  

@stephen j

See below quote from the rawness:
At the end of the day, this is what matters if you are a truthseeker and are arguing with an advocate: Your goal is to not try to win the argument on the strength of the truth of your points, because over time thanks to world-creation the advocate will eventually reduce you into an advocate as well. Your goal is to reveal that your opponent is an advocate who is only pretending to be a truthseeker, and doesn’t really even care about the truth. Even if you are using facts, objectivity, and fair play, you are using them with the intent to expose the advocate as being an advocate, not with the intent of converting your opponent into a cooperator, a fellow truthseeker.

More links:
http://therawness.com/advocates-truthseekers-and-world-creation/

http://therawness.com/raw-concepts-advocates-truthseekers/

http://therawness.com/raw-concepts-bullshitting-lying/

Blogger Rabbi B April 09, 2015 9:10 AM  

"Deceit is not second nature to them, it is their first and most reliable instinct."

Too true of too many. They have spirits that are constantly scheming and nothing which is founded upon objective truth ever passes their lips. They are only interested in what is expedient for the execution of their schemes upon which they are constantly brooding and ruminating, and their minds are only brooding evil all the time. Glib speech is their weapon of choice, since "deceit is their first and most reliable instinct."

The great thing is that it is only a matter of time before they are destroyed under the weight of their scheming and plotting. It is a simple principle from which there is no escape. Their methods can't help but bring about their own destruction. It does not matter how many times you plant an apple seed in the ground, oranges will never be the result. The same is true with seeds of lies and deceit, for that which a man sows, that man will reap.

Anonymous Friend of Bill April 09, 2015 9:29 AM  

"Pretend to be strong, and so cause the enemy to avoid you."

This tactic literally saved Western civilization from the Ottomans, at the siege of Malta. The lesser fort, faced with a charging Turkish force, did the old western-movie trick of putting hats and helmets on sticks and stationing them at the wall, to make it seem like there were far more soldiers in the fort than there really were. They also began firing at the Turks well before they were in range, to make it seem like they had so much powder and shot that they could afford to waste it on a mere scare tactic. Miraculously, it worked, and the Turks retreated, and Malta, which was to be the platform for the invasion of Italy, was saved. (Well of course the lion's share of the credit goes to the remarkable leadership of Jean de Vallette, but still.) Go figure.

Anonymous Ain April 09, 2015 9:30 AM  

Salt: "Quite true, so fostering internal distrust within their ranks should be in our playbook."

That's the likely outcome if they decide to go the smoking crater rout and vote for this Noah Ward fellow.

Anonymous Feh April 09, 2015 9:33 AM  

Due to their deceitful and self-deceptive natures, SJWs neither know themselves nor their enemy.

That's why I mentioned the lying as their weakness in the other thread.


Is it a weakness if they don't get called on it or held accountable for past lies? If they have a highly organized and effective machine for propagating lies and ignoring truth - i.e., the media - then this weakness is very tough to exploit. We have seen this in miniature in SP. The media produced a great cloud of lying bullshit about SP and the people involved in it. Most outsiders are going to see those lies. Few will seek out the truth.

We're not facing an army, we're facing individuals.

An individual drone dies or is discarded, but the swarm lives on, stinging and stinging.

Blogger James Dixon April 09, 2015 9:37 AM  

> "Deceit is not second nature to them, it is their first and most reliable instinct."

See Bill Clinton and Barack Obama for two stellar examples.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 09, 2015 9:38 AM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius April 09, 2015 9:39 AM  

Last night Vox said something that I've been saying for a while.

It's very hard to parody the SJWs. No matter what you come up with they will come up something more insane

Satire is completely dead. You simply can't push the needle far enough.

Anonymous 10900209 April 09, 2015 9:40 AM  

They abide not in truth, for there is no truth in them, and when they speaketh a lie, they speaketh of their own. They are of their father, the devil, the father of lies, and the lusts of their father they will do.

Anonymous Viidad April 09, 2015 9:41 AM  

p-dawg: "You mean like men and women having sex before marriage? Like eating pork and shellfish at church dinners? Like destroying the concept of the Sabbath by "changing" it to Apollo worship on Sunday instead of Creator worship on the Sabbath day that He laid out? Stuff like that? Or do you only object to the gay sins?"

Go read Paul.

Anonymous Friend of Bill April 09, 2015 9:44 AM  

"Due to their deceitful and self-deceptive natures, SJWs neither know themselves nor their enemy."

I'll buy that for a dollar, but in certain instances I think I'd put self-deception over broad deceit. Lying implies that one knows the truth and is deliberately concealing it. I'm inclined to think that, due to their myopic and always-outraged nature, their rigid (and received, not arrived at) dogmatism, their poor understanding of the nature of justice, and their narrow range of experience and thought, many SJWs are incapable of perceiving the truth and then lying about it; I'd say it's more likely in those instances that self-deception is what motivates them -- that, and sheer blinding hatred. It's like that cartoon where the guy is arguing with the SJW, making one coherent argument after another, and the only reply is, "I don't care. Obama is awesome."

Anonymous Ain April 09, 2015 9:45 AM  

Feh: "Is it a weakness if they don't get called on it or held accountable for past lies? If they have a highly organized and effective machine for propagating lies and ignoring truth - i.e., the media - then this weakness is very tough to exploit. We have seen this in miniature in SP. The media produced a great cloud of lying bullshit about SP and the people involved in it. Most outsiders are going to see those lies. Few will seek out the truth. "

This is why I hope EW pays for what it did. Our side lets opponents off too easily.

Anonymous Salt April 09, 2015 9:45 AM  

If they have a highly organized and effective machine for propagating lies and ignoring truth - i.e., the media - then this weakness is very tough to exploit.

Not so sure about that. How's SFWA's membership roll doing? Is it increasing? Are SFF writers flocking to their message? Problem the media has is that one can only get away with lying for so long. Look at Gawker and what #gamergate did to them. When it comes to SFF and media, the numbers just haven't arrived, yet.

Blogger JDC April 09, 2015 9:46 AM  

P-dawg, you may choose to enslave yourself to the law, but I'll pass.

But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! (Galatians 4: 9-10)

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. (Colossians 2:16)

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 09, 2015 9:57 AM  

Reminds me of my little spat with one on Twitter a couple of days ago:

http://swiftfoxmark2.blogspot.com/2015/04/delusional-or-just-plain-idiotic.html

Blogger Josh April 09, 2015 10:00 AM  

You mean like men and women having sex before marriage? Like eating pork and shellfish at church dinners? Like destroying the concept of the Sabbath by "changing" it to Apollo worship on Sunday instead of Creator worship on the Sabbath day that He laid out? Stuff like that? Or do you only object to the gay sins?

Please give us an example of a church that opposes gay sex but condones premarital sex.

As for the rest of your off topic list...

Shut up retard.

Anonymous Peter Garstig April 09, 2015 10:02 AM  

An individual drone dies or is discarded, but the swarm lives on, stinging and stinging.

That's probably where the bee/wasp analogy ends and the ant analogy starts. When ants see/smell a couple of dead ants on their path, the path will be avoided in the future.

Taking down a couple of SJW's is enough to stop many others. They are not organized and disciplined like an army. They are individuals mainly concerned with themselves.

(Hive != Warren)

OpenID cailcorishev April 09, 2015 10:27 AM  

Or do you only object to the gay sins?

Yes, you got us, we only object to the gay sins. Happy? Now shut up, adults are talking.

Anonymous Athor Pel April 09, 2015 10:49 AM  

" Friend of Bill April 09, 2015 9:44 AM
...
I'd say it's more likely in those instances that self-deception is what motivates them -- that, and sheer blinding hatred.
..."



There may be hatred but the real motivator is fear.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 09, 2015 10:54 AM  

" can someone here explain how to engage them in a way that will break through the shell of their narcissism?""The conservative knows himself and mistakenly assumes that his enemy is just like him."

Don't try to break them, your audience is the neutrals, by defeating them with things that ring true you will immunize others. Catching them in lies works well. They think the right will stoop to the same low tricks as they will even if its not logically possible. To argue voter ID saying that their side must think non Asian minorities are too stupid and lazy to get ID despite welfare needing ID(which Asians & whites are under represented in), to convince the true believer tell him that voter ID would keep both sides from cheating and that because of equality STR8 White Church Going Men are as likely as crack hoes to stuff the ballots with millions of extra votes. The truth has strength on its own when I was in college I was giving a speech on Allen Turing & I thought instead of cut/paste the fairy tail I would dig up the original story to beat like a dead horse. The real story ran more true than the fairy tale. The thing to remember is that on the left there are a lot of people whose full time jobs is to be cheerleaders for Soros, where they would lose their easy paychecks if they changed sides.

"cause him to despise you. If he have superabundance of strength, tire him out; "

They certainly do a good job at that.

"During years of (futilely) opposing the Gaystapo in a mainline church setting"

Why don't you just tell them to go to the MCC for brunch with signing or to the Temple of the Bacon Eating Gay GRINDR Rabbi(actually exists)?

"This is why I hope EW pays for what it did. Our side lets opponents off too easily."

This is a big part. The answer to all of the conservative targeting should not be a few low level IRS agents get a paid vacation but that a "fair share" of leftist organizations get the same targeting to balance it out. When OKeefe/Breitbart took down Battle Ground TX for voter fraud, the democrats still got to keep all of the data they illegally gained about voters(which they pretend is better organization), republican registrations that got thrown out will think they are registered, & the peons that got felonies will still be able to get jobs in other leftist orgs.

"Quite true, so fostering internal distrust within their ranks should be in our playbook."

They have separate messages and narratives for each of their pets. Obama's speech to black clergy against Gay Marriage a week before the 2012 election should have been covered by every gay media, but even comments about it in other stories got deleted. On many gay forums you can't advocate for gays defending themselves or posting info on crimes against gays that don't fit the narrative without being deleted. I was actually surprised to see a comment deleted that only said " Are there really that many cheap tacky gays out there that would serve pizza and mad dog 20/20 at their weddings, and if there are why not just lie and say its a party? We could take advantage of that false stereotype that gays dress nicely."

Anonymous ck April 09, 2015 11:13 AM  

"We have the ability to win every conflict with them, and yet we will inevitably lose everywhere we refuse to see them for what they are or refuse to take the field."

Michael Weinreb understands this in his recent Rolling Stone hit piece against Duke point guard Grayson Allen concluding:

"The Grayson Allens of the world will always win."

Because:

"He graduated cum laude (of course he did) from something called the Providence School, a place that defines itself on its own website as not just Christian, but "boldly Christian," in case you enjoy your Bible study with a side of audaciousness.

"Grayson Allen is only a freshman, but I imagine Duke's 68-63 NCAA championship victory over Wisconsin on Monday night won't be the last time he annoys the hell out of a national audience, because with a name and a biography like Grayson Allen's, how can he be anything but the latest in a long line of Duke guards who appear to have been genetically engineered to get under America's skin?

"I already dislike Grayson Allen (a bit player for the Blue Devils all season who put up 16 points last night), and as I write this, I've known who he is for about an hour. I already want to see him fail in some publicly humiliating fashion, merely because of the uniform he is wearing. He is every over-entitled, Izod-clad jerk I've ever come across in a bar, and I want him to spill his celebratory sparking cider."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/duke-wins-one-for-the-man-20150407

These shitlibs are really scared of the rest of us Christians in flyover country. Therefore, they will lie, cheat, slander and steal to keep us at bay.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 09, 2015 11:23 AM  

"I already dislike Grayson Allen (a bit player for the Blue Devils all season who put up 16 points last night), and as I write this"

Its because he is a white guy beating blacks at the on thing blacks are good at. With the NCAA champs being Wisconsin vs. Duke being the whitest teams in basketball I couldn't help but spread rumors that the 2 teams use drug testing to keep out black players.

OpenID everybodyhatesscott April 09, 2015 11:39 AM  

You mean like men and women having sex before marriage? Like eating pork and shellfish at church dinners? Like destroying the concept of the Sabbath by "changing" it to Apollo worship on Sunday instead of Creator worship on the Sabbath day that He laid out? Stuff like that? Or do you only object to the gay sins?

Old testament laws about shellfish and pork don't apply to Christians. Christians aren't Jews (I know we have a few Jews here but I always see this argument applied to Christians). You think you could at least get the basics right.

Anonymous patrick kelly April 09, 2015 11:43 AM  

" but can someone here explain how to engage them in a way that will break through the shell of their narcissism?"

Quit trying to save them, just work on defeating and destroying them...otherwise disengage and support those who run into the front lines of the battle.

OpenID cailcorishev April 09, 2015 11:50 AM  

Its because he is a white guy beating blacks at the on thing blacks are good at.

Yeah, it was easy to hate some of the past white Duke players like Laettner because they really were kinda jerks. Even his teammates from that time, all these years later, say he wasn't that easy to deal with. But this Grayson kid has done nothing to earn anyone's hate except A) be white, B) have a good game, and C) have a name like Grayson instead of D'Shawan.

I can understand hating the whole team and the university, but when someone picks out this kid in particular, it's obvious that he just wants to hate the white kid because that's safe.

Anonymous Chad April 09, 2015 11:52 AM  

The SJW mindset is an extreme form of self-deception. They have to keep themselves well insulated from reality lest their worldview crumble. It's like the old cartoon gimmick where they won't fall so long as they don't look down and see they aren't standing on anything. So they are prone to accept supporting statements at face value, particularly if it is insulting to their opponents. If they perceived/acknowledged us as a legitimate opponent they would have to engage, face reality, and crumble. So long as they can deceive themselves that we are some combination of evil or stupid they feel free to dismiss and ridicule us.

What I find most galling is their duplicity when it comes to their handling of incidents. If their opponents commit a infraction, it's a slipping of the veil exposing the vast evil hidden beneath. In contrast, if individuals or groups of SJW commit infractions of their 'principles' or outright crimes, it would be unfair to taint the reputation of the many based on the actions of a few and they were probably justified anyway.

Anonymous impervious April 09, 2015 12:18 PM  

"Its because he is a white guy beating blacks at the on thing blacks are good at."

It's far, far simpler than that. It's because the writer has a name like Michael Weinreb, and all that that entails.

Blogger Josh April 09, 2015 12:19 PM  

With the NCAA champs being Wisconsin vs. Duke being the whitest teams in basketball

Duke's not a very white team this year...

Blogger Josh April 09, 2015 12:21 PM  

It's far, far simpler than that. It's because the writer has a name like Michael Weinreb, and all that that entails.

It's actually even simpler than that. Weinreb's a Penn state alum.

Also, duke's had several white Jewish starters, most recently John Sheyer.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 09, 2015 12:22 PM  

Is it a weakness if they don't get called on it or held accountable for past lies?

Yes, it's still a weakness even if it isn't exploited, because it's still there. HMS Hood had weak armor covering her magazine even before Bismark blew her up.

But it is up to us to put shells on target.

Don't try to break them, your audience is the neutrals, by defeating them with things that ring true you will immunize others

...

Quit trying to save them, just work on defeating and destroying them


Exactly. Note how Vox deals with the bolder SWJs who charge in from time to time. He doesn't try to save them or convert them. He humiliates them. Now, I think humiliation can be risky (turn off the neutrals), but only if the person being humiliated is a sympathetic individual. SJWs are pretty damn obnoxious if you give them even half a chance. So let them puff themselves up first, let them beclown themselves, then pummel 'em.

Anonymous impervious April 09, 2015 12:26 PM  

"What I find most galling is their duplicity when it comes to their handling of incidents"

Case in point: this horrible police shooting in NC. All you can read is, "white cop shoots unarmed black man." According to their alleged race-neutral standard when reporting crime, the headline should be "officer shoots suspect under questionable circumstances; criminal charges and investigation expected." When black thug home invaders rape and kill a white woman with obvious racial animus, it's "youths kill woman in robbery gone wrong." It appears the cop in question was a loose cannon with a checkered history, who knows what he was capable of doing, to anybody? But no, all we get is, White cop shoots black man.

It's not that there's no getting through to these people. It's that they're evil, they hate you and want to destroy you, they have the megaphone, and they intend to use it.

Anonymous Harsh April 09, 2015 12:28 PM  

Or do you only object to the gay sins?

Well, they are the most revolting sins possible so if you're going to discriminate, might as well go for the really big sins.

Anonymous ck April 09, 2015 12:36 PM  

Get out the popcorn for this SJW idiocy:

"The White House now features a gender-neutral restroom so staff and guests can 'use restrooms consistent with their gender identity.'"

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/white-house-now-features-gender-neutral-restroom

Blogger J Thomas April 09, 2015 12:45 PM  

Their own terrible childhood abuse that they suffered (which they have blocked out), was so malignant and terrifying, that they have been forced into a situation where they must project their "dark side" onto the rest of the world, or else suicide. It has come down to that.

They are extremely dangerous and malignant no doubt, and indeed must be stopped, but fundamentally it's not their fault. Anyone who suffers like they did in childhood will be driven to such madness.

“But now, you are not allowed to ask any questions about the childhood of gay people anymore. It’s called ‘homophobic’. The entire psychology establishment has shut itself down, politically...and also, Freud was kicked out by early feminism in the late 60s and early 70s. So all the sophistication of analysis, in being able to analyze the family background (is) all gone. That entire discourse is gone. Everything is political now. It’s really sick. It’s a sick and stupid way of looking at human psychology.We are in a period now of psychological stupidity.”
-Camille Paglia

Anonymous Martin April 09, 2015 12:59 PM  

"So, they choose to believe in a very stupid, very malignant enemy .."
I've noticed this, especially with feminists. They simultaneously believe that men are useless, pathetic morons who are also evil geniuses who control the world through the shadowy 'patriarchy'.

Blogger Josh April 09, 2015 1:02 PM  

I've noticed this, especially with feminists. They simultaneously believe that men are useless, pathetic morons who are also evil geniuses who control the world through the shadowy 'patriarchy'.

Conservatives also do this.

Blogger Student in Blue April 09, 2015 1:10 PM  

Conspiracy Theorists of all stripes and political lean do this.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 09, 2015 1:26 PM  

IMO, conservatives / Christians suffer from a delusional understanding of love and tolerance, thinking that we must endure all types of nonsense for the purposes of peace. Paul wrote that, "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. (Rom 12:18)." Paul lists two conditions for peace. First - "if possible" (implying that it may not always be), and secondly (as far as it depends on you), implying that the other side may not be so dependable.

There's a difference between inviting the sinner to go to church with you so he can have a chance at redemption and accepting the sinner's demands because: Christianity and love, or some BS like that. This kind of malignant nonsense really needs to be corrected in the minds of the apolitical and gullible who fall for a likable bumper sticker as a campaign premise.

Which, and maybe I'm being hopelessly naive, I still think make up the majority of Democrat voters.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan April 09, 2015 2:00 PM  

When lefty boys & girls picked a fight,
With some war gamer men from the right,
Dawn's first light revealed -
Pools of blood, quite congealed,
And not a live rabbit in sight.

Anonymous daddy day April 09, 2015 2:05 PM  

What does Sun Tzu say about taxes?

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 09, 2015 2:40 PM  

What does Sun Tzu say about taxes?

That unless your name is Al Sharpton, you better pay them or suffer the wrath of the most vindictive, petty, tyrannical bureaucracy in the government?

Anonymous Feh April 09, 2015 2:41 PM  

You have to understand the... nuclearness of that nuclear option. The Hugo Award's prestige comes from the fact that they have been a democratically chosen award ever since 1955. That option essentialy destroys the award.

So? The SJW hate democracy if it doesn't give them what they want. And they will assume, probably correctly, that a book published by a Hugo winner under the new system won't have an asterisk next to "Hugo Award Winner" on the cover and an explanation of how this is the inferior new Hugo not the old, good Hugo. It will just say "Hugo Award Winner" and the author will get the prestige that confers.

Obama won two sham elections against fake opponents. Essentially he was appointed by an insider clique. But he doesn't care that those elections, and his own actions, have destroyed the prestige of the presidency. He'll take the win and the approval of the warren.

Anonymous Anubis April 09, 2015 5:18 PM  

"April 09, 2015 2:40 PM What does Sun Tzu say about taxes?"

Don't buy "Rangar's guide to the underground economy" with a credit card. If audited have the audit in a hotel conference room not your house.

"Or do you only object to the gay sins?"

Gay Steve and his boyfriend probably don't leech off the taxpayers, taxpayers paying for trannies to get sex change surgery in prison makes up for it, but none of that is a long term problem. Muslims & illegal aliens are the problems that are hard to abide. The left in the US doesn't have enough kids for demographics to be on their side without them. Prager University has a video about the professional diversity victims who have to create hoaxes to justify their jobs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g60ON91ClLA

"Duke's not a very white team this year"

I usually don't watch pro/college sports but I caught the game just because so many people seemed to be bothered by the teams. At least most of both teams can spell basketball.

"You mean like men and women having sex before marriage? Like eating pork and shellfish at church dinners? Like destroying the concept of the Sabbath by "changing" it to Apollo worship on Sunday instead of Creator worship on the Sabbath day that He laid out? "

You are really stretching it, but why didn't you include circumcision. All of those things changed with the new testament although some of those are good ideas. In desert areas pigs compete with people for food in other areas they eat things people can not eat creating more net food, red tide shellfish can make you sick. You also forgot the part about avoiding women that are on the rag which is also wise.

"These shitlibs are really scared of the rest of us Christians in flyover country. Therefore, they will lie, cheat, slander and steal to keep us at bay."

I think the internet has robbed people of the opportunity to be punched in the face which forces people to acknowledge reality is not equal.
http://takimag.com/article/never_trust_anyone_who_hasnt_been_punched_in_the_face/print#axzz3WqftXcHn

Anonymous Chad April 09, 2015 7:06 PM  

Fighting an SJW

To me the only real difficulty in fighting an SJW is gaining any satisfaction out of it. Their devotion to the unreality principle enables them to convince themselves that their losses are victories.

Anonymous TroperA April 09, 2015 11:19 PM  

During years of (futilely) opposing the Gaystapo in a mainline church setting, it became obvious that arguments from the Bible, reason, morality, biology and psychology, etc., had zero effect on them. They are all about their own feelings and the emotional manipulation of others......"

It occurs to me that an effective way of countering this is to try to get the Church to establish rules about gay sexual behavior (in the hypothetical event that gays were allowed to join.) . Will they force a marriage between homosexuals to be monogamous (in the same way a marriage between heterosexuals is monogamous?) Will the ban on pre-marital sex extend to gay people? Find some gay publications or some government data on gay sexual practices. Recite to the audience statistics about the sheer AMOUNT of sex that homosexuals are having, what the data says about homosexual marriage in practice (how often gay couples divorce or engage in domestic violence) and then ask how the Church would confront and end these clearly immoral practices. Ask how the church would deal with members who are openly promiscuous. (And how it would deal with those who recklessly spread STDs or engaged in unsafe practices.) Chances are Joe and Jane Churchgoer have no idea what sort of practices homosexuals privately engage in, because all they know about gay people they learned by watching "Will and Grace."

Black Knight the hell out of this thing. If homosexuals think that joining a church will destroy their Happy Fun Sexy Time, chances are they'll abandon the drive to do so. (Any homosexual who promises to comply with all of the self discipline and sexual control is probably one that wasn't going to subvert or cause trouble in the first place.)

Part of the duties of a church is to get its members to control and direct their own sexuality. To forgo their own selfish pleasures and build families and communities. Any church that doesn't have that as its top priority isn't one worth remaining in and should just be left to wither and die.

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