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Saturday, April 04, 2015

The Gates of Hell shall not prevail

Christians need to stop their cowardly cowering before the world and start actively following the fearless lead of the apostles and martyrs and crusaders and inquisitors who preceded them:
I spent a long time on the phone last night with a law professor at one of the country’s elite law schools. This professor is a practicing Christian, deeply closeted in the workplace; he is convinced that if his colleagues in academia knew of his faith, they would make it very hard for him. We made contact initially by e-mail — he is a reader of this blog — and last night, by phone. He agreed to speak with me about the Indiana situation on condition that I not identify him by name or by institution. I do know his identity, and when he tells me that he is “well-informed about the academy and the Supreme Court,” I assure you that from where he sits, and teaches, and from his CV, he is telling the truth.

I will call him Prof. Kingsfield, after the law professor in The Paper Chase.

What prompted his reaching out to me? “I’m very worried,” he said, of events of the last week. “The constituency for religious liberty just isn’t there anymore.”

Like me, what unnerved Prof. Kingsfield is not so much the details of the Indiana law, but the way the overculture treated the law. “When a perfectly decent, pro-gay marriage religious liberty scholar like Doug Laycock, who is one of the best in the country — when what he says is distorted, you know how crazy it is.”

“Alasdair Macintyre is right,” he said. “It’s like a nuclear bomb went off, but in slow motion.” What he meant by this is that our culture has lost the ability to reason together, because too many of us want and believe radically incompatible things.

But only one side has the power.... A college professor who is already tenured is probably safe. Those who aren’t tenured, are in danger. Those who are believed to be religious, or at least religious in ways the legal overculture believes constitutes bigotry, will likely never be hired. For example, the professor said, he was privy to the debate within a faculty hiring meeting in which the candidacy of a liberal Christian was discussed. Though the candidate appeared in every sense to be quite liberal in her views, the fact that she was an open Christian prompted discussion as to whether or not the university would be hiring a “fundamentalist.”

The result could be that religious schools have to start policing orthodoxy in terms of all their hires — a situation imposing standards far more strict than many schools may wish to live by, but which may be necessary to protect the school’s legal interests.

Kingsfield said homeschooling, and homeschooling-ish things (e.g., co-ops), are going to become increasingly important to orthodox Christians, especially as they see established religious schools folding on this issue.

Businesses, however, are going to have a very hard time resisting what’s coming. Not that they would try. “The big companies have already gone over,” said Kingsfield.

“Most anti-discrimination laws have a certain cut off – they don’t apply if you have 15 employees or less,” he said. “You could have an independent, loosely affiliated network of artisans, working together. If you can refer people to others within the network, that could work. You won’t be able to scale up, but that’s not such a bad thing.”

Kingsfield said religious colleges and universities are going to have to think hard about their identities.

“Colleges that don’t receive federal funding – Hillsdale and Grove City are two I can think of – are going to be in better position, because federal regulations force a lot of crazy stuff on you,” he said. “I think it would be really wise for small religious institutions to think hard if they can cut the cord of federal funding and can find wealthy donors to step in.”

Kingsfield said we are going to have to watch closely the way the law breaks regarding gender identity and transgenderism. If the courts accept the theory that gender is a social construct — and there is a long line of legal theory and jurisprudence that says that it is — then the field of antidiscrimination law is bound to be expanded to cover, for example, people with penises who consider themselves women. The law, in other words, will compel citizens to live as if this were true — and religious liberty will, in general, be no fallback. This may well happen.

What about the big issue that is on the minds of many Christians who pay attention to this fight: the tax-exempt status of churches and religious organizations? Will they be Bob Jones’d over gay rights?

Kingsfield said that this is too deeply embedded in American thought and law to be at serious risk right now, but gay rights proponents will probably push to tie the tax exemption on charities with how closely integrated they are within churches. The closer schools and charities are tied to churches, especially in their hiring, the greater protection they will enjoy.

The accreditation issue is going to be a much stickier wicket. Accreditation is tied to things like the acceptance of financial aid, and the ability to get into graduate schools.

“There was a professor at Penn last year who wrote an article in the Chronicle of Higher Education calling for the end of accrediting religious colleges and universities,” Kingsfield said. “It was a Richard Dawkins kind of thing, just crazy. The fact that someone taking a position this hostile felt very comfortable putting this in the Chronicle tells me that there’s a non-trivial number of professors willing to believe this.”

Gordon College has faced pressure from a regional accrediting authority over its adherence to traditional Christian sexual morals re: gay rights.

“Accreditation is critical to being admitted to law schools and medical schools,” Kingsfield said. “College accreditation will matter for some purposes of sports, federal aid, and for the ability to be admitted by top graduate schools. Ghettoization for Christians could be the result.”

“In California right now, judges can’t belong to the Boy Scouts now. Who knows if in the future, lawyers won’t be able to belong to churches that are considered hate groups?” he said. “It’s certainly true that a lot of law firms will not now hire people who worked on cases defending those on the traditional marriage side. It’s going to close some professional doors. I certainly wouldn’t write about this stuff in my work, not if I wanted to have a chance at tenure. There’s a question among Christian law professors right now: do you write about these issues and risk tenure? This really does distort your scholarship. Christianity could make a distinct contribution to legal discussions, but it’s simply too risky to say what you really think.”

The emerging climate on campus of microaggressions, trigger warnings, and the construal of discourse as a form of violence is driving Christian professors further into the closet, the professor said.

“If I said something that was construed as attacking a gay student, I could have my life made miserable with a year or two of litigation — and if I didn’t have tenure, there could be a chance that my career would be ruined,” he said. “Even if you have tenure, a few people who make allegations of someone being hateful can make a tenured professor’s life miserable.”

“What happened to Brendan Eich” — the tech giant who was driven out of Mozilla for having made a small donation years earlier to the Prop 8 campaign — “is going to start happening to a lot of people, and Christians had better be ready for it. The question I keep thinking about is, why would we want to do that to people? But that’s where we are now.”

I pointed out that the mob hysteria that descended on Memories Pizza, the mom & pop pizza shop in small-town Indiana that had to close its doors (temporarily, one hopes) after its owners answered a reporter’s question truthfully, is highly instructive to the rest of us.

“You’re right,” he said. “Memories Pizza teaches us all a lesson. What is the line between prudently closing our mouths and closeting ourselves, and compromising our faith? Christians have to start thinking about that seriously.”

“We have to fall back to defensive lines and figure out where those lines are. It’s not going to be persecution like the older Romans, or even communist Russia,” he added. “But what’s coming is going cause a lot of people to fall away from the faith, and we are going to have to be careful about how we define and clarify what Christianity is.... The most important question for Christians parents to ask themselves is, do we have a vibrant church?,” he said. “Sadly, only a small number of places have them. My family is in one. Our kids are growing up with good examples that they can look up to, and good older kids who hang on because they can stand together.”

Some people taking the Benedict Option will head for the hills, Kingsfield said, but that will be a trivial number, and that won’t be an answer for most of us.

“We need to study more the experience of Orthodox Jews and Amish,” he said. “None of us are going to be living within an eruv or practicing shunning. What we should focus on is endogamy.”

Endogamy means marriage only within a certain clan or in-group.

“Intermarriage is death,” Kingsfield said. “Not something like Catholic-Orthodox, but Christian-Jew, or high church-low church. I just don’t think Christians are focused on that, but the Orthodox Jews get it. They know how much this matters in creating a culture in which transmitting the faith happens. For us Christians, this is going to mean matchmaking and youth camps and other things like that. It probably means embracing a higher fertility rate, and celebrating bigger families.”
It's time for the church leaders and the heads of Christian families to start learning from #GamerGate, to start learning from Sad Puppies, and start leading. Start banding together and stop accommodating the secular world in any way. Don't hire those who hate you. Don't buy from those who wish to destroy you. Don't work with those who denigrate your faith, your traditions, your morals, and your God. Don't tolerate or respect what passes for their morals and values.

Religious liberty in America is dead. Well and good. That was a fatal mistake by the other side, because now that they don't respect our religious liberty, we have no reason or responsibility to respect theirs. Now it's just a raw power struggle and we have the numbers, we have the indomitable will of the martyrs, and we have the certain knowledge of God on our side.

They have nothing but the carnal desires to which they are enslaved and the Prince of this fallen world, who has already been defeated by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Their world is post-Christian, post-rational, post-modern, post-morality, and post-law. It is absolutely doomed to failure of every kind, beginning with demographics.

So stop cowering. Stop hiding in the closet. Stop trying to play by outdated rules that are no longer in effect. They imposed the new rules on us, now let's prove that we can play much better by them. What they don't realize is that those rules were in place for THEIR protection, not for ours. It's time to teach them the value and importance of religious liberty again.

We are not given a spirit of fear. We are the sons and daughters of the Crusades and of the Inquisitions, institutions so terrible that they strike terror in human hearts nearly one thousand years later. We are the heirs of Christendom. They cannot defeat us and they cannot defeat our Lord. Augustus and the pagan emperors of Rome failed. The Ottoman emperors failed. The French Revolutionaries failed. The Communist killers of Spain, the Soviet Union, and China failed. The post-Christian seculars of the latter-day USA will fail too.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

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Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 04, 2015 6:10 AM  

I knight you "Sir Vox Day Martel".

Blogger Josh April 04, 2015 6:19 AM  

This might be the best post you've written all year. Masterful.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 04, 2015 6:33 AM  

They must be shunned. One way I can recommend is that young men who put up with the dating scene if you want to call it that should be explicit in their shunning of "politicals", and not budge an inch.

The SJWs are womanish, this is a tantrum by infantilized white so called adults, we cant send the little bitches to their rooms but we can shun them with barely disguised malice.

As for demographics, the colored folk if you will tolerate them they do not love the SJW, at all.

Anonymous Strange Aeons April 04, 2015 6:36 AM  

Seems like no amount of cultural assault on Christianity motivates Christians into realizing that trying to play nice with the enemy isn't working, and into drawing a line in the sand, or pushing back. I agree with the stand tall attitude but what's it going to take to get the faithful in the west to see this, use their numbers and push back? Will the house need to be demolished in order to be built anew, or can it be saved?

Blogger Josh April 04, 2015 6:52 AM  

Seems like no amount of cultural assault on Christianity motivates Christians into realizing that trying to play nice with the enemy isn't working, and into drawing a line in the sand, or pushing back.

Gay marriage has become that line in the sand.

Chick Fil A, Duck Dynasty, and Memories Pizza.

What's really important is this: the issue does not matter. The SJW do not care about this particular issue. What matters is that someone finally said "no."

It could have been anything, really. It happened to be this.

Now what the moderates in our side will do is say things like "if we only cared about abortion/poverty/war/dead puppies/etc as much as we care about not letting gays get married..."

Ignore them. The particular issue doesn't matter. What matters is that our side finally woke up and said "no."

OpenID cailcorishev April 04, 2015 7:00 AM  

In traditional Christian teaching, "religious liberty" always meant the freedom to practice the true religion. It meant that people should be free to worship Jesus Christ and free to proselytize about Him, but that they shouldn't be forced to.

It wasn't until around Vatican II that it began to take on the modern meaning of being equally free to practice false religions. There's a big difference between telling a Muslim or a Jew, "I will not force you to convert, but I will tell you why you should," and, "Your religion is just fine as it is; let's have an interfaith prayer breakfast together."

It looks like Christians are going to need to rediscover the original, correct meaning of religious freedom. If we continue to treat all religions as equal and defend the right to practice false ones, we'll only continue to lose the right to practice our own. If you won't even claim that your religion is the True one, why should anyone treat it as more than an idiosyncratic hobby, which can be taken away from you for the good of society if it becomes inconvenient?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 04, 2015 7:01 AM  

Do you know why evil is growing and they show a lot of intolerance? It is because God in the beginning put enmity between Good and Evil. Good is no longer in Authority.

It has been a long process and this paper shows the where it came from and the why it is growing:
Normalizing Homosexuality.

All things must reach their perfection.

Anonymous Strange Aeons April 04, 2015 7:12 AM  

That's good insight Josh, and I'll admit that up to a couple/few years ago, I too was the kind of believer who tried hard to be circumspect and civil so that the godless would give me that worthless kudo... but now I would take their approval as a warning sign.
It's good to see flower shops, bakeries, pizzerias, Robertsons, etc taking a stand, I think I'm just impatient for more momentum against the social justice cult.

Blogger Rantor April 04, 2015 7:19 AM  

The Memories Pizza story is outrageous, fortunately someone started a GoFundMe for them and by yesterday afternoon (with some help from Rush touting the site on his show) they had 750K. This morning they are at $840K. There are still many more of us than them, but we don't show up en masse and picket their stupidity...

Blogger postmodern redneck April 04, 2015 7:24 AM  

Years ago, before we even had Internet where we lived, I wrote to James Dobson suggesting that First Amendment advocates should cooperate with Second Amendment backers, because they faced the same opponents (and had a sizable overlap in their constituencies, in much of the country). Never saw any sign the advice was taken.

One other thing in our favor is that the SJWs have a talent for poisoning their own well and reducing their own support. Here's something I found yesterday: http://moelane.com/2015/04/02/quote-of-the-day-somebody-made-a-mistake-here/#more-88817 As Tolkien had Gandalf say, "Oft evil will shall evil mar."

Anonymous Old Man in a Villa April 04, 2015 7:31 AM  

I went through a media driven auto de fe years ago over my writings and opinions. At the time we had standing in the commu ity, a very long and solid history in the region that went back to the 17th century, position in the church, a stable and profitable business, extended networks of friends and family. The media firestorm was about one week in duration, very angry and histrionic- as well as false for the most part- but unrelenting in its denunciation.

The shake out was that we left our church, I sold my business, we altered our lifestyle dramatically and now are very happy, very successful (again, at something that can't be targeted by consumers) and completely open about who and what we are and believe.

The takeaway from that experience is this-

Until it happens to you you cannot imagine how frightening and stressful a campaign like that can be. You lose sleep, it affects your marriage, your children even relationships with your parents change because the media is powerful in a way that is at least 50% sublimated in each of us. Everyone cares what people think of them no matter how strong and no matter what kind of iconoclastic bubble you may live in. For every friend and aquaintance that stepped up to defend us and stand by our side, and there were many who did, five times that number wnet out of there way to pile on or turn their backs regardless of history with us. This included our church, the very one my family donated the land for and built over a hundred years earlier. There were death threats (not Sarkeesian type, the real kind) and drive-bys, and a long term alienation that set in giving us the impetus to turn our lives around.

The upshot is that most people will cave. Not everyone is financially set enough to weather this kind of thing, not everyone has a stable enough marriage to get through it, not everyone has the courage to keep getting up everyday after it happens and going right back to whatever it is that you were doing before and keep a brave face on. Most people want the approval of their neighbors, their church family, the folks at the coffee shop, etc.

The shining light at the end of the tunnel is that, as Vox has pointed out repeatedly, after that, what more can they do? What we lost was, for the most part, things we didn't need anyway- fairweather friends, a corrupted and bogus church that didn't actually believe what they were preaching, a lifestyle that was every bit as shallow and empty as the culture that condemned us. We emerged at the other end as better people, more sure than ever of who we are, more devoted to each other, aware of our true friends, and driven to discover the truth about a host of other things that we never would have thought to imagine beforehand. Today our life is authentic rather than a kabuki theater played to get us safely through another day without causing a ripple and for that we are profoundly grateful.

It would be nice if free thinking people had a better system for supporting each other than at present, and the Memories Pizza gofundme phenomenon indicates that something organic is taking place that didn't exist before. It is exceedingly difficult to go through one of those media driven burn downs of your life, but nothing is sweeter than having come out the other end.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 04, 2015 7:38 AM  

There is no such thing as "free-thinking" people. Christ called us Sheep. Aristotle called us Herd animals. Why?

Because our basic mentality is a herd mentality. Only the Super Intelligent people can escape those boundaries. Nobody has taken that into account, you've all bought into the lies of the Enlightenment. Societies are organisms. Human societies operate on that. Once you bought into tolerance and diversity for evil, it grows like a cancer. The elite WASPs have bought into Masonry and Cultural Marxism, our media is owned by Jews who ensure Liberals as journalists and editors. You've lost control of the direction of the society.

We have to return to Throne And Altar that is the ONLY antidote to Liberalism, not more ideologies.

Anonymous Strange Aeons April 04, 2015 7:38 AM  

@ Rantor & postmodern redneck
RE Memories Pizza link
Didn't miss this little gem in the comments. ..
http://twitchy.com/2015/04/02/these-lib-threats-to-man-who-launched-gofundme-for-memories-pizza-will-make-your-blood-boil-screenshots/

Just when you think SJWs can't get any lower...

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 04, 2015 7:41 AM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius April 04, 2015 7:42 AM  

They aren't really pretending at this point. They are just indulging themselves in ethno-masochistic hypocrisy.

Steven Crowder just went to various Muslim bakeries asking them if they would cater a Gay Wedding.

Guess what they all said.

You will have to guess because there is now way the prog press will cover that. There is no question at this point.

The definition of Tolerance; is christian pogrom.

Blogger Salt April 04, 2015 7:53 AM  

The particular issue doesn't matter. What matters is that our side finally woke up and said "no."

That's right. The SJWs would demand celebration of the moneychangers in the Temple. "Doesn't that feel better than hating them?" they ask.

Jesus threw them out.

Blogger JDC April 04, 2015 7:55 AM  

Until it happens to you you cannot imagine how frightening and stressful a campaign like that can be. You lose sleep, it affects your marriage, your children even relationships with your parents

In 2008 a handful of pastor's and myself took a stand against the ELCA's decision to ordain homosexual pastors and bless same sex marriages. There were about 95 churches in our region, and out of the 95 only 5 stepped up in protest. It was a hot mess. Although the congregation I served was 90% conservative (they have since left the ELCA for another Lutheran denomination), the 10% made things difficult. Our organist quit, the president of our council quit, and wrote a rather nasty editorial in the local newspaper.

A group of three families (two of which never attended church in the 5 years I was there), began a campaign to have me removed which failed. One woman had her 9 year old daughter write me a letter asking me why I hated gay people. My bishop threatened to un-roster me, and told be point blank that I would never get a call with another ELCA church. Pastor's gatherings were a nightmare - even had one guy stand up in a room of 300 people and declare that any pastor that stood against this was anti-christ (he looked at me when he said it).

Thankfully things worked out - I colloquized to the LCMS, and the good lord has taken care of us. It took a toll on my physically. Just recently had an endoscopy. The Dr. informed me that I had the body of a twenty year old (I’m 45), and the stomach of a 60 y/o. I had so much dried blood in my stomach that he couldn’t assess the damage. I don't drink anymore, have almost eliminated my chew habit (I must when I fish and hunt however), and eat a healthy diet - so stress is the culprit.

The Christian community needs leaders – men like Old Man, Vox and much of the ilk who are unafraid to stand up for what they believe is right. It strengthens the faithful – whether we are ‘separated brethren’ or not – we still proclaim that Jesus is Lord. It helps when people stick their necks out. They of course become targets, but they also become paragons.

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 04, 2015 8:21 AM  

We think there will be these grand moments where you will be brought before the inquisitor and challenged and, at that day, asked to recant Jesus Christ. The Devil knows that we are prepared for that. Instead, it will be a thousand cuts - just like this law professor who is afraid to speak up at a faculty meeting. The crazy leftists advance their cause with every single thing they do - it is not a mistake they say "the political is the personal and the personal is the political" - that's a creed.

You can often make a small choice to purchase from a believer instead of a non-believer. The leftists already have tools that they use against believers every day. Rather than this idea that we should weigh and measure every word to ensure we aren't offending and stay circumspect, we should weigh every opportunity to advance the lot of God's people today. Small example:

Somebody at my office needed a new car battery. He was going to go to Sears by default to get a Die Hard. Nothing against Sears, but the Interstate Battery boys make outstanding batteries, and they spend their money on things like their Christmas God's love ad. So, I strongly encouraged him to buy an Interstate. It greatly helped convince him to say - I buy them and absolutely no problem - walk the walk

Blogger JartStar April 04, 2015 8:27 AM  

The % of secularists in the US will actually be less than today in 2050 due to low fertility rates.

Blogger Nate April 04, 2015 8:31 AM  

"It's time for the church leaders and the heads of Christian families to start learning from #GamerGate, to start learning from Sad Puppies, and start leading. Start banding together and stop accommodating the secular world in any way"

John Wesley's example is an excellent one. He taught his methodists in Great Britain to always look to other methodists first when it came to business matters. He taught them to look to hire other methodists first as well. He brought them together in small groups that met in houses and held each other accountable.

And what came of it?

Well... I suppose all they did was save Great Britain.

Blogger Nate April 04, 2015 8:36 AM  

"Ignore them. The particular issue doesn't matter. What matters is that our side finally woke up and said "no." "

Amen.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 04, 2015 8:37 AM  

Where do you think these folks came from though? Secularists grow by converting the religious. They may not replace themselves through having children but they're in no danger of shrinking in numbers.

Anonymous Salt April 04, 2015 8:44 AM  

OT

Don't forget, today is Puppies day. 12 noon, PST.

Blogger Nate April 04, 2015 8:44 AM  

"They may not replace themselves through having children but they're in no danger of shrinking in numbers."

Not when Christians are feeding their own children into the Secular Individual Construction Device known as Public School.

Anonymous Vic April 04, 2015 8:48 AM  

I have already started soft warfare myself, sharing all miley cyrus, elton john, and any other of these blowhards trashy songs I happen to have, uploading on torrent sites, walmart, ge, and any others I find out about get the treatment until they realize playing patsy with folks who don`t grace their establishments anyway may not be the best way to keep a customer base. Two can play these hit `em in the pocketbook games, and I will do all in my power to turn this back on their head. It is a good thing I finally found a browser that I feel wasn`t written and run by totalitarian fascist that will run well on my Linux system. At least the fascist gates ain`t gettin any of my money. Said by by to time warner`s commies too!

If I have to scratch out a living with the chickens, so be it.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 04, 2015 8:57 AM  

Derrick Bonsell: "Where do you think these folks came from though?"

From Jewish control of education, the entertainment mass media, the news mass media, the major political parties (mostly via funding) and the laws (including the law schools), with three spots on the Supreme Court to illustrate their disproportionate power.

Judeo-Christianity cannot and does not object to that. So: crosses down, menorahs up.

I'm not mocking Christians over this. Anyone who believes in a moral society is going down.

Anonymous bub April 04, 2015 9:05 AM  

the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I heard a sermon many years ago concerning this. The pastor noted that while most Christians believe this is a defensive assurance, the verse does not say "spears", but rather "gates". It is an offensive assurance, meaning that the defensive gates of hell will be unable to keep us from overrunning their positions. Apropos.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 04, 2015 9:08 AM  

Concern yourself less with the next perfectly constructed essay but the rhetorical swords you need for your media lead flailing, it frees the mind

Blogger Lovekraft April 04, 2015 9:25 AM  

jartstart: "The % of secularists in the US will actually be less than today in 2050 due to low fertility rates."

true, however because of their grip on the education system, they corrupt young souls into their perversion. Take Ontario's Premier Lesbian who instead of assuring the populace that she is steering the economy in the right direction, chose to impose the LGBT curriculum on the elementary schools.

Anonymous RS April 04, 2015 9:36 AM  

Vox, does that mean you'll be moving your family back to the U.S. to live, work, build communities, and fight for religious freedom here?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 04, 2015 9:38 AM  

Lovekraft: "true, however because of their grip on the education system, they corrupt young souls into their perversion."

And they will keep importing hordes that will vote the way they want.

Blogger Al Cibiades April 04, 2015 9:46 AM  

I propose a familial suffrage amendment while we have the numbers. One woman and one man = one vote. If single people are interested in "change" let them have a stake in how it directly affects the future. More or less I believe it would return some of the balance before women's suffrage unleashed these ills upon us.

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 9:59 AM  

Vox, does that mean you'll be moving your family back to the U.S. to live, work, build communities, and fight for religious freedom here?

Absolutely not. This is a global phenomenon. We're dealing with the same stuff here. And we're seeing the same thing, young pastors being emboldened to take on the corrupt church organizations and so forth.

There are fewer Christians here, but they are harder.

Blogger JartStar April 04, 2015 10:00 AM  

Christians won't be defeated so long as they continue to hold to an orthodox Christian faith. In countries where the progressives have won, the majority of Christians gave up on orthodoxy decades or even centuries before.

If the SJWs get too aggressive too quickly they will lose the morale high ground as grandmas spend time in prison and the moderates turn go against them. If they want to play for the long win they need to continue to go after the Christian laity with subtle cultural pressure and books and TV shows that play on their emotions. They've already got a super majority Catholic laity on their side, a majority of the Mainline Protestants, but the white Evangelical Protestant laity is the last great battle. If they go, then the war is over in the US.

OpenID cailcorishev April 04, 2015 10:03 AM  

It is an offensive assurance, meaning that the defensive gates of hell will be unable to keep us from overrunning their positions.

Right. It doesn't mean, "Oh, no worries, no need to risk action, Jesus will save us." But that seems to be the attitude when most people recite it these days.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum April 04, 2015 10:07 AM  

I have a lot more in common with Evangelical Protestants than with many of my fellow Catholics, sad to say.

Far too many Catholics today are Catholic because they were just born that way (I'd have no problem kicking them all out to the mercy of the wolves myself.). That's the wrong way things are supposed to be. As Tertullian said in his Apologeticus pro Christianis: "Christians aren't born, they're made."

One should have a very "bushido" (Way of the Warrior Servant) view towards Jesus. Christians should throw themselves at their Lord and Savior. "Death to self" should be the goal.

Your ego, your wants, and your desires should be Obliterated in place of Jesus. Your flawed will should be conformed to Jesus' Holy Will. 100% One should "Think with the Church." Because the Church is the Body of Christ.

An outsider shouldn't be able to tell where that First Century Jewish Carpenter who was executed as a traitor to the state ends, and you begin.

If your Lord and Savior ends up being publicly tortured to death, the ONLY choice you have is to be in line right behind him.

Where He Leads, I Will Follow.

Anything less than 100% loyalty is 100% failure.

That being said, if one wants to "be serious" about Christianity today, the first choice (and really the only choice) is the Catholic Church. I used to be a Protestant. But once I gave the Church a chance, I ended up having no choice by to join Her.

Anonymous Lost in GA April 04, 2015 10:08 AM  

Can someone give a useful definition of "religious liberty"?

Anonymous Tom April 04, 2015 10:09 AM  

Ya'll need to have more Christian children. My homeschooled Christian horde of 7 need spouses who also believe in homeschooling and large families so they can each have their own horde of little homeschooled Christians. If each of them manage just 5 kids each, that's 35 Christian grandkids. Compared to maybe 4 (if they're lucky) grandkids for the more typical American couple.

By the way, my eldest, a 12 year old, is the only one who even knows that homosexuals exist. That is really only because it came up in a couple sermons at church and she asked questions.

Blogger Nate April 04, 2015 10:15 AM  

"From Jewish control of education, the entertainment mass media, the news mass media, the major political parties (mostly via funding) and the laws (including the law schools), with three spots on the Supreme Court to illustrate their disproportionate power.

Judeo-Christianity cannot and does not object to that. So: crosses down, menorahs up."

Shut your defeatist mouth.

Anonymous Refero est semper nullis April 04, 2015 10:22 AM  

Amen Vox

Anonymous Jeanne April 04, 2015 10:24 AM  

Amen. And Amen.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother April 04, 2015 10:30 AM  

More men with chests are needed. More children. More praying. More small churches. Less fear of rejection. The less fear you have of rejection and insults the stronger you are.

Anonymous wEz April 04, 2015 10:33 AM  

Indiana law=Discrimination
The Bible=Discrimination
Hence, Christians discriminate and will not be tolerated.
Vox is right, the time to stand and fight is now. We are a hated lot. There is no compromise with the world.

OpenID cailcorishev April 04, 2015 10:39 AM  

By the way, my eldest, a 12 year old, is the only one who even knows that homosexuals exist.

One interesting thing about homeschooling, especially in light of the "sheltered" accusations, is that the classical curricula that many homeschoolers are rediscovering did not avoid these topics. They just introduced them at an appropriate age and in the right context. For instance, when you read Plutarch on Alcibiades (typically 9th grade in the Kolbe Catholic curriculum), the homosexual stuff is right there -- along with the narcissism and hedonism that are part of it. Kids learn about it as it actually is rather than some smiling TV fantasy version of it. And at that age they have no trouble understanding that people sin, and that great figures often have great flaws.

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 10:42 AM  

Stop responding to Tad/Trent please. The moderators and I spam him as soon as he appears, so all your responses do is make us delete them too.

If you haven't learned to spot him yet, try reading his comment rather than leaping to respond to it. You'll soon recognize him the moment he comments. I seldom have to read more than a single sentence now.

Blogger Al Cibiades April 04, 2015 10:46 AM  

"What he meant by this is that our culture has lost the ability to reason together, because too many of us want and believe radically incompatible things." Western Ukrainian secularism meet Russian orthodoxy.

Blogger Moor April 04, 2015 10:55 AM  

When a professor who spends his life studying these things from the inside says that he's seeing signs, I take it seriously. What Vox does with it, in terms of leaning into Christian Militancy instead of, say, Christian Pacifism, is clearly a result of his own bent toward the former and away from the latter, but it is not unreasonable.

The question I keep coming back to in my own mind is this: what is it going to look like for Christians to engage in the conflict without compromising those Christian fundamentals like "love your neighbor as yourself" and "pray for those who persecute you". I have some ideas about that, but they are in their infancy.

OpenID simplytimothy April 04, 2015 10:58 AM  

I heard a sermon many years ago concerning this. The pastor noted that while most Christians believe this is a defensive assurance, the verse does not say "spears", but rather "gates". It is an offensive assurance, meaning that the defensive gates of hell will be unable to keep us from overrunning their positions. Apropos.

A-freaking-men.



Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey April 04, 2015 11:06 AM  

You and I both know we're heading for civil war.

Anonymous Bobo April 04, 2015 11:07 AM  

Francis Chan was discussing his visit with Chinese Christians, who were telling him laughingly about the cops raiding their meetings, with one girl saying what a good thing it was that she was so skinny, she could slip right through the boards in the back of the building.

When he marveled about them really being persecuted, they looked at him like his head was on fire.
"What Bible are you reading?" they asked him.
"Of course we're persecuted. Aren't you?"

Time to harden up, buttercups.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey April 04, 2015 11:07 AM  

The question I keep coming back to in my own mind is this: what is it going to look like for Christians to engage in the conflict without compromising those Christian fundamentals like "love your neighbor as yourself" and "pray for those who persecute you".

You and people like you are going to have to pull the trigger at some point, unless you have your heart set on martyrdom.

Grow some balls, Christians.

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2015 11:08 AM  

VD -

I comment rarely. But this is the best I have ever read on your site.

Well done, Man!

jb

Anonymous GracieLou April 04, 2015 11:12 AM  

Reporting from ground zero (I live in Indy). The scariest part: business leaders (tyrants) strutting the oligarchy in broad daylight and nobody worrying about it. At. All. Saddest part: the Judases. Not just the "Christian Church" that cancelled a convention, slandered our Lord and sold out the faithful but also the locals. Up until last August I taught at a Christian school, so my Facebook wall has a fair number of folks from there, teachers and parents. The frothy-mouthed moral retardation is astonishing. Somehow, in their minds, the hippy Jesus of their imaginations would TOTALLY cater a gay wedding because "he ate with sinners, he welcomed all, he doesn't judge." He doesn't? Has no one ever read the book of Revelation? And the Lord does seem big on the repentance. I don't remember reading anywhere in any bible, no matter how loose the translation, that he used his carpentry skills to craft a whoring bed for the prostitutes he knew. Nor did I at any point, after he saved the adulterous woman from stoning, read where he told her, "Ok, girl it's cool, go back to riding that baloney pony." The insanity is so, well, insane that when you point this out they call you evil or most dread, a Pharisee. If you tell them Jesus had a problem with the Pharisee because they preferred man-made laws to God's laws ( thus they are acting the Pharisee in this case) their eyes glaze over. No, no it was the small minded rules. Hippy Jesus hates the 10 commandments? His own rules are small minded?... "You're just a b*tch." You know you've won when that's all they've got left.

It's absolutely disgusting to discover that people you respected and liked are in reality, bat sh*t crazy. A giant sifting is taking place. Does anyone else perceive this? Someone is shaking the fence and we will all fall to one side or the other.

I do sincerely thank Vox, the Ilk, AC and John C. Wright for helping me understand Moonbat mentality and how to debate (well, the point is you can't really debate the hive brain but you can distractify them). When you understand the enemy you can save energy, maintain moral and sometimes even embarrass them bad enough that they choose to post another cat video instead of that icky political thing about burning down a pizza shop.

OpenID simplytimothy April 04, 2015 11:14 AM  

Scanning the link, some thoughts.

"heh, Barnhardt was there years ago,welcome to reality, chum; now go read her"
"he is describing the end of the secular project".
"Left unchecked, it will go beyond Rome, it will go beyond Mao or Lenin."
"You are playing defense without throwing a punch; that will change and you will gain confidence. (the update of the signed comment from another professor lends credence to this view)"

In the early days of the Holy Spirit's prompting, I acted, but thought, "what if this is nuts?" Well, the scales are falling from peoples eyes and it is growing clear to all that the war is here.

Well, here we are. It will get better. We will prevail. God teaches us that he puts His people through the forge. We are the swords who will storm the gates of this fresh hell. The Spirit WILL move and His people WILL act. Be one of them.





Anonymous John Regan April 04, 2015 11:17 AM  

Well. A law professor and everything, worried about his tenure.

I can't blame him.

I'm not sure that fighting gay marriage is worthwhile culturally. I'm 100% sure that it's a waste of time to fight it in the 'law' or in the courts. In the legal field the entire gay rights platform was obviously unstoppable when I was in law school almost 30 years ago. In the time since it's just been playing out, but I certainly could have told you that legalized gay marriage was inevitable by the early 1990's.

I am interested in what people are thinking about it, especially where to go from here. I have no firm opinions myself beyond what I know about the legal profession, law schools, courts, etc. In that realm, it's been game over for a long time on these issues and there is nothing to be done there.

OpenID simplytimothy April 04, 2015 11:22 AM  

A giant sifting is taking place. Does anyone else perceive this?

Yes. Many of us. More than you can imagine.

The Holy Spirit has been telling them to prepare and they have been for many years. At my last place of respectable employment in IT the number of people preparing was astounding. These where the hard-core coders, engineers, system admins, artists--rock-solid quality talent that are the bedrock of any organization. They where arming themselves to the teeth and preparing for what they saw coming.

What they saw is now here; you see it too.

You are not alone. (and even if you where, I know that you would not abandon your Savior--its how we roll (:

)

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother April 04, 2015 11:32 AM  

Every person in my company is a Christian. That wasn't an accident.

Blogger William Hughes April 04, 2015 11:33 AM  

Thank you for this articulate explanation. I have tried to explain that the laws establishing religious freedom and tolerance are for their protection. They discard them at their peril.

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 11:36 AM  

It's absolutely disgusting to discover that people you respected and liked are in reality, bat sh*t crazy. A giant sifting is taking place. Does anyone else perceive this? Someone is shaking the fence and we will all fall to one side or the other.

And when they fall on the other side, cut them off as completely and remorselessly as the other side does. That's part of why the fence-sitters lean that way, even against their own instincts, because they are not afraid of those who serve the One who will judge the quick and the dead.

It is not merciful, loving, or kind to permit that to happen. You must make the consequences clear before they fall, and then follow through so that others learn from their example.

Blogger Noah B April 04, 2015 11:53 AM  

Fifteen years ago I was largely ambivalent toward Christianity, seeing it as a historical relic whose time had passed. I now see things very differently, and although my understanding of it does not approach the level of most of those here, I know enough to believe without doubt that Christianity must be defended from the forces that would destroy it. Perhaps the fanatical persecution we are seeing in these days will cause many others to react similarly.

Blogger Danby April 04, 2015 12:01 PM  

@Credo
"I have a lot more in common with Evangelical Protestants than with many of my fellow Catholics, sad to say."

I agree wholeheartedly. That's why it pisses me off so much when people who claim to be on the same side I am turn their fire on people in the foxhole with us. So often on this or other sites I will see some asshat calling him-pwecious-swelf Catholic launch an attack on Protestants. I will defend Catholicism (right Markku?) when called upon, and correct errors when they are bruited about, but I never want to be the guy attacking people ON MY SIDE in the war that's currently underway.
And, frankly, I have known a great many faithful Christians who were Protestants.
Just 2 weeks ago we buried a great lady, a true friend of my wife's family, who was one of the the most faith-filled Christians I have ever known. And yet, to the end she remained a member of the Episcopal Church. The funeral was an embarrassment, with the younger homosexual pastor who could barely disguise his loathing for her and her type, and the older, retired pastor rambling on free-association style for 40 minutes instead of giving a sermon, never daring to mention judgement, heaven or hell. She was a woman with a fiery love of Christ, who lived out her life trying to do His will within her situation. I will not tolerate some assclown telling me she is damned.

Anonymous Grinder April 04, 2015 12:02 PM  

It's all very well but those who despise Christianity will not even slow down. Why not blackknight the present day laws that can hasten our liberation from the shackles Jews have placed on us. Call for upholding laws protecting children from mutilation, male as well as female. Those who would have their sons circumcised without pressing medical grounds is guilty of inflicting a permanent mutilation on a nonconsenting minor. That this practise continues while fgm is actively suppressed is a clear sexist double standard

Blogger CarpeOro April 04, 2015 12:02 PM  

You can't advance the kingdom by retreating while Christians are a majority. Waiting until we are a minority in society is not a sign of wisdom.

Anonymous GracieLou April 04, 2015 12:10 PM  

Simplytimothy thank you. You can't help but doubt yourself in the face of so much crazy. And really, I'm looking at myself (and some of the ragtag still standing) and I grieve for the Lord. How bad times must be if we are the best he can scrounge up. But God can do a lot with very little.

Blogger macengr April 04, 2015 12:15 PM  

Vox,

This was awesome. Thanks for the reminder of hope and perseverance.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber April 04, 2015 12:20 PM  

@LBJ of course we're headed towards civil war. That's been obvious for twenty years. Any student of history knows America is doomed. Gonna be a real sifting between Churchians and Christians. Real Christians will be hunted down with dogs. Churchian appeasers will be spit from the Lord's mouth. This society is swirling in the toilet. Would you have believed how fast outright perversions have spread? Incredible. If you believe in God, then you know that a land has to pay for its wickedness. Bloodguilt is always avenged. You know, Molech and Baal were relatively minor. 50 million and more abortions.....another principle of note.....He has said that wickedness must prosper for a season, and then the reaping. Hell is coming to visit America, isn't it? We aren't the good guys this time. I wonder just how much more wickedness can develop? Sword, pestilence, and famine......

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 04, 2015 12:24 PM  

"The % of secularists in the US will actually be less than today in 2050 due to low fertility rates."
That is why they are importing the 3rd world. In Israel the religious jews are the only ones breeding but they are smart enough not to let the secular jews have their kids in school.

Its really telling that Christian professors have to be in the closet but the Gay VP of Harrisburg area community college has parties at his house for the gay students that are not old enough to go to the bars. He provides a "safe space" for sex. I doubt that a str8 professor could have under 21 sex parties with his students and get away with it. He also gives them letters of reference, but doesn't list how they got it.

Anonymous Curtis April 04, 2015 12:31 PM  

To many people have fallen into the "who are you to judge" trap. It never dawned on them that they themselves were being judged by the very people warning them not to judge. Group hug everyone.

Blogger darkdoc April 04, 2015 12:35 PM  

"Why not blackknight the present day laws that can hasten our liberation from the shackles Jews have placed on us. Those who would have their sons circumcised without pressing medical grounds is guilty of inflicting a permanent mutilation... "

Let's trade one fascist for a fascist like Grinder.

Bite me.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber April 04, 2015 12:35 PM  

Folks, The Bible makes a big point about those who call bad, good, and call good, bad. It's really getting obvious. As thegood Book says, the error of the land wasn't yet fufilled. So, true christians are going to be in for a real threshing and sifting. The Bible never said otherwise. What God has actually said in many parts of the Bible, is that most people in any situation weren't suitable. Over and over again, it shows how godly men act, and how wicked men act. It plainly states that the wicked rule in this realm, and true christians will be put to the test. Think about it....the Lord has always emphasized that some have more responsibility than others. Christians living today have more information available than at any other time in history. We know more, so our tests will be much more severe. But the rewards offered the faithful......

Anonymous Aeoli April 04, 2015 12:35 PM  

Any articles lying around that address Old Man in a Villa's point? Coping tactics mid witch hunt, and such. I understand the golden rule (don't give an inch), but lots of folks don't have the stomach for that kind of stress sans support network.

Blogger praetorian April 04, 2015 12:38 PM  

What matters is that our side finally woke up and said "no."

Excellent point, Josh.

OpenID cailcorishev April 04, 2015 12:54 PM  

I will defend Catholicism (right Markku?) when called upon, and correct errors when they are bruited about, but I never want to be the guy attacking people ON MY SIDE in the war that's currently underway.

Same here. Besides, our own house needs a whole lot of cleaning before we start pointing out the dust in others'. A majority of self-professed Catholics are members in good standing, receiving Communion every Sunday despite no longer believing (or even knowing) the basic tenets of the faith, and we're going to chastise Protestants? Doesn't work.

Blogger David April 04, 2015 1:05 PM  

This isn't just about Christianity. It is about the collectivist attempt to establish morally-relativistic statism as the only allowable religion in the West.

It is a broad and deep attack on Reason itself.

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2015 1:07 PM  

JartStar

"The % of secularists in the US will actually be less than today in 2050 due to low fertility rates."

They already planned for that with the educational system. Universal daycare is next. Gotta get them when they're young.

Blogger David April 04, 2015 1:11 PM  

Trigger Warning:

As an atheist this line of reasoning leads to my view that me and mine may be compelled, out of self preservation, to join a church. It seems that in Dark Ages, Christianity is a key component of the preservation of Reason.

Go ahead, throw the stones.

Blogger David April 04, 2015 1:17 PM  

Transgender BS is the straw that will like break the proverbial camel's back.

While Herd Man could be cajoled into tolerating homosexuality as a choice, he is far less likely to smile and nod at the social pressure to let his 12 year old daughter shower next to a 14 year old boy after gym.

Herd Man may be nearly incapable of abstract thought, but the obvious consequences of this trans insanity don't require much higher level cognition.

Anonymous Fp April 04, 2015 1:23 PM  

"You can't advance the kingdom by retreating while Christians are a majority. Waiting until we are a minority in society is not a sign of wisdom."

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward:" Exodus 14:15

Anonymous B. Lewis April 04, 2015 1:25 PM  

I. Old Man in a Villa and I share a similar story. I am a professional artist, author, and voice actor/voice-over artist. I have enjoyed modest success in the areas over the past 25 years, and was a regular guest at industry events and a regular invitee to casting calls. We had a gigantic, international network of close friends, many of whom had been part of our lives for more than two decades. It was a good life.

Several years ago, however, an industrywide "marriage equality" craze came along. As I was on Failbook at the time, I took great pleasure in ridiculing the idea. I also mocked the various other types of sexual deviance being advocated today. I furthermore dared admit that different races exist, and that the differences between them are largely biological.

The result was a hate campaign against me and my family the likes of which I had never before experience. My Failbook comboxes were filled with messages of hatred, many authored by people with whom I had been friends for years. As the days went past and I doubled down on criticism, the flood became a tsunami. I had to shut down my Failbook account (no loss; I had been planning to do so anyway. Failbook is the biggest time-waster in the universe). People with whom I had suffered, whom I had lent money, whom I had stood beside through thick and thin, were now saying things to me both on the Internet and in person that would have gotten them a beating had they been said in a bar or on the street. I was pilloried, cursed at, called a hater and a bigot. My wife was made the object of mockery and scorn for having a husband who refused to go along with the "gay marriage" idea. [MORE]

OpenID rustyclaysword April 04, 2015 1:26 PM  

"The question I keep coming back to in my own mind is this: what is it going to look like for Christians to engage in the conflict without compromising those Christian fundamentals like "love your neighbor as yourself" and "pray for those who persecute you".

You and people like you are going to have to pull the trigger at some point, unless you have your heart set on martyrdom.

Grow some balls, Christians."

It is not always a matter of cowardice that believers get tangled up in pacifism/accomodation-of-evil over teachings such as these. Some fail to see Jesus' love for his neighbor being expressed in his castigation and utter repudiation of the Pharisees' false teaching.

And praying for those who persecute did not keep him from driving the money changers from the temple with a whip of cords. When asked about the number of swords needed, he said what they had was sufficient, not that they should get rid of them.

Wrongheaded, it is. But not necessarily cowardice. It's time to get serious about thinking it through and getting off the fence - VD's comment applies.

Anonymous B Lewis April 04, 2015 1:26 PM  

II. Then they went after my business. My critics began a character assassination campaign against me. My lucrative convention guest appearances were the first to go. I was told bluntly and in no uncertain terms by convention organizer after convention organizer that I was no longer welcome on the lecture circuit, despite my 20-year track record of popularity. Other clients informed me one by one that they refused to do business with a right-wing Christian homophobe. And as for the voice acting biz, come on: it's show business, and everybody knows what that means. The invitations to read for parts ceased. I was informed that no directors would work with me any more. I was, in short, blacklisted -- and all of this by the same loving, tolerant, liberal people whose hatred of McCarthyism and indignation at the treatment of Dalton Trumbo, etc. was second to none.

It went on from there. Hate websites centered on me were created, featuring vituperative rhetoric, Photoshopped images, and the like. I was dragged through the mud on more than one of the popular Internet humor sites.

My response: another public double-down.

Anonymous B Lewis April 04, 2015 1:27 PM  

III. The Bad Guys went berserk. They literally could not believe that anyone would dare resist their anger. This is the point where it started to become funny. Some of my closest friend bailed at this point. Our very closest friends, two people whom I had helped in their careers and defended against all critics, called my wife and curtly informed her that we were (paraphrasing) subhuman scum no longer worthy of life, much less friendship and that we were now their enemies.

I must admit that this one thing gt to me. Nothing else in the whole campaign of hate really hurt me, but this did. I loved those guys. I still do.

But Lewis never surrenders, nor do we retreat. We attack, and have continued to do so. To this day, I have never taken back a single thing I have ever said against "gay marriage" or any of the rest of it.

Anonymous Dan in Tx April 04, 2015 1:28 PM  

More or less reiterating points already made: it's time to quit with the defensive posturing. Any defense will eventually fall. It is way past time to go on the offense. Be merciless and unwavering. The enemy has shown time and time again that when they have the upper hand they will annihilate you so do not listen to them when they begin making overtures of, "Hey, let's all be civil and find common ground." As has already been pointed out here; there is a large sifting taking place, now. The social club Churchians will not only fall by the wayside but will side with the enemy and attack you. There is no reason to conflate loving your neighbor when fighting the enemy. The Devil is not your neighbor and these people are the children of the devil. Remember that the Bible tells us that our sword is truth. Their entire control is based on forcing everyone to go along with their constant lies: black is white, right is wrong, marriage can be whatever they say it is. By refusing to go along and simply state the truth of the state of things will send them into a tizzy faster than quoting a thousand lines of scripture. Simply stating the truth such as, no matter what the state may say two dudes will never be married, that is all it will take for them to go instantly go ballistic. We should take pride in how fervently our enemies attack us and how blatantly they lie about us. It means we're striking them and they are noticing. If we are sitting quietly and cozy in our little enclave not being noticed, then we are no threat to the world.

Anonymous B Lewis April 04, 2015 1:29 PM  

IV. And today, all these years later? I am more prosperous and happy than ever before. I found new clients for my art. I have written two books since then and am about to pitch Number 3. I still get called in to do bit parts from time to time (there are two directors who are willing to work with me as long as no one else is in the studio building). I live in a big house on a lake now. I may even be invited to speak at a convention or two this year. The attempt by my enemies to punish me for my Christian beliefs has failed.

The weird thing about the whole failed campaign against me was the identities of the people at its forefront. Aside from one particularly bitter and angry homo man, the ringleaders of the Hate Bruce campaign were all White and heterosexual. My homosexual friends mostly just quietly stopped associating with me. More than one contacted me privately and admitted that they weren't on board with the Hate Bruce thing, but that they dared not say so in public for fear of ruining their own careers and/or lives. The only one of my friends who openly defended me was, oddly enough, a transsexual, a person my wife and I knew and loved prior to the "transformation", and whom we still love today. We don't agree with this person's way of life, and this person knows it, but we are still good friends to this day. Out of all my supposed friends, only this person was willing to risk friendships and career for my sake. Make of this what you will. The rest of our "friends" either joined the attack or stood there holding their books and jumping from foot to foot as the bullies attempted to beat me down.

They failed in that attempt.

Moral: FIGHT THE ENEMY. Never surrender, never retreat. If X makes them angry, give them X squared. Oh, they'll attack you -- and the damage will be real, both financial and emotional -- but you can't let that stop you. You have to have a mindset that says "I'd rather live in a ditch and eat garbage than give you the satisfaction of making me crawl". This attitude used to be quite common among White, Christian people. Today, only a few of us are willing to make a stand, a fact I find disgusting. I have always found weakness and timidity to be nauseating, and to see it so widespread makes me want to vomit.

I regret nothing. And even now, as the forces of Evil tighten their grip on this country, I stand by every word I said on the subject of homosexuality, race, and the rest of it, and I always will. I still believe everything I believed before the Hate Bruce campaign and then some. My life is not ruined. My career is not over. I have taken the Enemy's best shot and I'm still here. They can do nothing to me now.

I win.

Blogger Giraffe April 04, 2015 1:34 PM  

Angie's list is on the "don't do business with if you are a Christian" list.

Anonymous Jordan April 04, 2015 1:36 PM  

I think Christians are outnumbered - even among Christians there are a lot of Christians in name only (false converts).

Blogger dw April 04, 2015 1:41 PM  

We're always outnumbered, but never outgunned. They brought this conflict on themselves, and now they're about to reap their reward for it.

Blogger Vox April 04, 2015 1:50 PM  

I think Christians are outnumbered - even among Christians there are a lot of Christians in name only (false converts).

Once there were 11. And they outlasted the Roman Empire.

Anonymous johnc April 04, 2015 1:52 PM  

The way Gov. Pence and the Indiana legislature sort of backed down and "amended" the RFRA to me indicates the strong influence of the big, billion-dollar corps on these "social" issues now. It wasn't the SJW pink protests that got Pence's attention.

The big corps had been captured by the left quite some time ago, and they exert significant pressure.

Even when I canvas the job market I see that many of these ads are making it abundantly clear that the business is progressive-minded and in some cases plainly admit that they are looking for progressive-minded candidates for employment. Some of it is so brazen as to be bizarre.

In a world where money talks more than anything else, this is an area that needs to be addressed. I do think Christians are going to have to start thinking about work strikes and such, or working through a combination of self-employment and like-minded co-ops, etc.

Blogger Moor April 04, 2015 1:54 PM  

The question I keep coming back to in my own mind is this: what is it going to look like for Christians to engage in the conflict without compromising those Christian fundamentals like "love your neighbor as yourself" and "pray for those who persecute you".

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You and people like you are going to have to pull the trigger at some point, unless you have your heart set on martyrdom.

Grow some balls, Christians.

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Laguna Beach Fogey:

Did Jesus have balls?

Or are you insinuating that not pulling the trigger and dying a martyr is somehow less brave, less bold, and less Christian than "pulling the trigger"?

I have a feeling that you and I are probably largely of the same mind on this. Perhaps not. But don't read my comments as softness. There is nothing soft about my questions, and the proof is in the fact that so many "men" find the difficulty of those passages too much to bear.

Blogger DaveP April 04, 2015 1:58 PM  

Completely agree with your recommendations. Time to separate ourselves and come together.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 04, 2015 2:05 PM  

Let me quote from the 1910 Catholic Encylopaedia and Hermann Gruber's excellent article:

"This "universal religion of Humanity" which gradually removes the accidental divisions of mankind due to particular opinions "or religious", national, and social "prejudices", is to be the bond of union among men in the Masonic society, conceived as the model of human association in general."

See that "social prejudices". That is what is going down.

"Humanity" is the term used to designate the essential principle of Masonry. [30] It occurs in a Masonic address of 1747. [31] Other watchwords are "tolerance", "unsectarian", "cosmopolitan". (Gruber, Hermann. "Masonry (Freemasonry)." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 9. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 3 Apr. 2015.)

Notice that "tolerance"? This was from a document in 1747. This thing has been building for a long time.

"In the text of 1738 particular stress is laid on "freedom of conscience" and the universal, non-Christian character of Masonry is emphasized. The Mason is called a "true Noahida", i.e. an adherent of the pre-Christian and pre-Mosaic system of undivided mankind.

And then a little further on, the real essence of Masonry is exposed:

"...the attempt to oppose this religion of "Humanity" to the Roman Catholic as the only true, genuine, and originally Catholic."

The religion/ideology/movement of Humanity is about taking down the Catholic Church and replacing it. It has been a war since the Renaissance.

Blogger Moor April 04, 2015 2:08 PM  

Moreover, I am fully aware that "love of neighbor" and "praying for persecutors" does not equal "rolling over and letting them take you".

I am aware that Jesus did not come to bring peace but a sword. I am aware of the epic denunciations Jesus both spoke and enacted against the ruling elite, the religious leaders, and by proxy and implication, the government. I am aware that there are well-reasoned and theologically-defensible calls to Christian militancy.

What I question is the form which that militancy should take. I question it for my own life, though for now it is largely a theoretical exercise as I live in a small and culturally conservative village, and I question it for the Church Universal (or, at least, the true Church in the U.S.).

My questioning is not equivocation. My questioning is not excuse-making. My questioning is aimed at satisfying my conscience with respect to what I understand of God's Word, which speaks things that are not easily reconciled with some of the more militant and less-nuanced rhetoric that emerges in conversations like this one.

That said, I'm grateful (very grateful) for the conversation, because I am being sharpened, and if there's a truism in the image that bears spelling out, it is this: the sharpened sword is both safer for the wielder and more deadly to the enemy.

Blogger JartStar April 04, 2015 2:11 PM  

Europe will have 100 million less Christians in 2050 and be 10% Muslim. There will actually be more Christians in the US in 35 years in sheer numbers than now, but a slightly smaller %.

The 10% Muslim number for Europe is debatable since a backlash is growing but unless there's a Christian baby boom in 40 years the Christian numbers will decline.

Overall there will be a slighr decline in secularists but it is possible that most of the world power will controlled by that ~13%.

Anonymous Boise Youngster April 04, 2015 2:31 PM  

“There is no reason to conflate loving your neighbor when fighting the enemy. The Devil is not your neighbor and these people are the children of the devil.”

Indeed, a purge is required of epic proportions. If Churchians voluntarily refuse to leave the pews of OUR congregations, then God has given us the right to put their heads on poles…men, women, and children. We dare not them procreate little Churchians!


“A majority of self-professed Catholics are members in good standing, receiving Communion every Sunday despite no longer believing (or even knowing) the basic tenets of the faith.”



Indeed, because these Catholics are not “true” Catholics, they have perversed Christianity! God has commanded us to brutally strike down these heretics.


No doubt our bankster friend Laguna Beach Fogey will be front and center, with his cognac and beard and glock in tow, ready for the upcoming civil war!

Anonymous Mike M. April 04, 2015 2:34 PM  

Dan in TX is right. Attack!

One wide-open line is the religious bigotry of the atheists. They've been trying to rewicker the First Amendment into Atheism as State Anti-Religion. Call them on it. Sue them over it.

Another line of attack is mounting boycotts and buycotts of our own. A list of enemies and friends.

A third is to heap scorn on the bullying tactics of the Left. Grab the whole arsenal of emotionally charged words they like to hurl...and use them preemptively. Heinlein had a great essay on how to argue with Soviets that described this tactic. Using a word defines it. Our opponents are the Hate Left. The Atheist Bully Brigade. Etc.

And I would never forget that there are many people receptive to the message of Christ who are not regular church-goers. Don't overlook them as part of the alliance.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 04, 2015 2:38 PM  

The enemy is drunk on power or maybe they just have substance abuse problems. Who are their allies? Muslims? LOL! Hispanics? No way gringo! The blacks? What do you mean we White Man?
They have a coalition of the moochers and losers that came along for the ride. When the time comes to fight, I expect most of them will have somewhere else to be...

Anonymous Cash April 04, 2015 2:56 PM  

Great post Vox. I needed to hear someone say this.

Is there a list of businesses that have attacked our side? I am done with Salesforce and I am writing a letter to a smallish business in my town who is carrying blasphemous merchandise. It would be nice if we had a list.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 04, 2015 3:10 PM  

Actually, you might look to recruit among the Mormons. There is a LOT of stuff in their history that can't stand the light of day, and Google is only an inquisitive search away.

http://cesletter.com

is the site of the infamous CES Letter. It's a letter from one of the faithful mormon returned missionary to the Church Educational Service saying 'Wait a minute, what about this, and this and this and ...?'

That letter is as disruptive in mormon culture as Martin Luther's 93 bullet point note. It covers a tremendous amount of church history and problems with the Book of Mormon that are about impossible to hand wave away.

The average mormon believes strongly in God, Jesus and family. There is a tremendous work ethic, and financially successful = 'blessed'.

Meanwhile, there's an underground theme of "The only possible true churches are Mormons or Catholics. Nobody else even claims God's direct authority." If I were looking to recruit, I'd bring that up after pointing out all the problems Joseph Smith had keeping his penis under control.

The field is ripe and ready to harvest. Go reap them, because they're going to go believe somewhere.

Also, after the being driven out of the east stuff, mormons are all about killing their enemies in religious wars. Mormons are heavily over represented in military and law enforcement. John Moses Browning (inventor of pretty much every automatic not by Glock) was mormon. Best to have them on your side.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 04, 2015 3:45 PM  

"They have a coalition of the moochers and losers that came along for the ride. When the time comes to fight, I expect most of them will have somewhere else to be"

Already there.

"The way Gov. Pence and the Indiana legislature sort of backed down and "amended" the RFRA "

14 states already had something similar but it did drown out Cankles can't manage 2 email accounts, & Neville Chamberlin submits to Iran news.

"John Moses Browning (inventor of pretty much every automatic not by Glock) was mormon. Best to have them on your side."

So is Harry Reid. Didn't Browning belong to the branch that let you have 51 wives but didn't allow corruption?

Blogger David April 04, 2015 3:51 PM  

Balkanization of the West is inevitable, and the muddy, tolerated "we are the world" is fragmenting into people who no longer will tolerate each other.

Socionomics in action. Pick a side, and man the ramparts.

Anonymous sawtooth April 04, 2015 4:00 PM  

SJWs have been making sport of poking the caged lion with a stick.

What the lion is coming to realize is that someone left its cage door unlatched.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 04, 2015 4:13 PM  

Evil slimy pedophile that Harry Reid is, you can't deny he's effective. I'd also prefer him on my side in a war, since sooner or later he'll get fragged. Once that happens, his body will turn to ashes next time sunlight hits it.

There many evil mormons, but the vast majority of the members are sterling citizens and a credit to the race. I just wish they'd google "Joseph Smith married other men's wives" and reflect that, at the time marriage without sex was considered an abomination and directly against scripture. Not that I particularly have anything against wife swapping amongst legal adults, mind you. It's just a little strange how it's OK to marry the wife of a guy you've sent off on a mission without a divorce somewhere first, so long as you're running things. Reminds me of King David.

Anonymous GracieLou April 04, 2015 5:29 PM  

Here at ground zero I also notice my gay friends are largely uninvolved. As Kingsfield said, perhaps many of them do respect liberty and sympathize with the injustice of closeting. I wonder too if they realize this whole thing is being driven by much larger forces and they're beginning to suspect they're being set up for the fall once/if the backlash occurs.

Also, not to go all Hal Lindsey but a sticker for businesses got pushed here, a super fuzzy, "We Serve Everyone" logo. I guess the purpose being any business not displaying it is open season for Kristallnacht. But it got me thinking about The Mark of the Beast and the ability to buy and sell. Growing up we all imagined The Mark of the Beast as some kind of evil looking triple 6 or pentagram. But that wouldn't fool anyone would it? Even your lukewarmest pew sitter would recoil at stamping a 666 on their foreheads. But something like a Lurve All tattoo could fool most of the people but not the ones awake and watching, with their oil lamps trimmed and burning.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber April 04, 2015 7:55 PM  

@Gracie Lou - kinda funny to see these things happening, isn't it? I wonder what's next.....what color of horse will he ride?

Anonymous GracieLou April 04, 2015 8:07 PM  

I know. I keep thinking of the, oh gosh what were they, flying wasps with scorpion stingers? And the resemblance to drones. You can almost hear the Omen music.

Anonymous A Visitor April 04, 2015 8:45 PM  

"It's time for the church leaders and the heads of Christian families to start learning from #GamerGate, to start learning from Sad Puppies, and start leading. Start banding together and stop accommodating the secular world in any way. Don't hire those who hate you. Don't buy from those who wish to destroy you. Don't work with those who denigrate your faith, your traditions, your morals, and your God. Don't tolerate or respect what passes for their morals and values."

EXACTLY! I'll give away my location though it should be evident from anyone who has followed my comments long enough. I live in Indiana, in a suburb of Indianapolis, have with the exception of two years in graduate school, a semester in Spain, and 9 months near the NTC, since I the summer I was six (I'm 28 now, btw).

I am needless to say sickened by Pence and Bosma's buckling under the pressure. As a relative said yesterday, "I was really hoping Indiana would just flip the country the bird." Such sentiment echoes mine perfectly. Though I've never been to South Bend (I'm Catholic, as if that were not obvious enough), I may be going up there soon due to religious duties. If that is the case, I'll stop by Memories Pizza on my way back. Hopefully, they'll be open and I'll get a pizza for meal.

Limbaugh stated it perfectly this past week (paraphrasing here)," If we give way on one issue because we don't like how we're treated, it'll be like that on every issue." Those that feel it was a stupid ploy by Pence, Bosma, and the others to even pass this law (i.e. Greg Gutfeld of The Five, a man whose opinion I usually respect) are fools. Gutfeld whined that instead of talking about threats to our foreign policy, or taxes, or other things that Republicans are supposedly strong on, we have to deal with this.

Anonymous A Visitor April 04, 2015 8:45 PM  

Don't you morons get it? THIS. IS. WAR! We are being persecuted, bit by bit. It's a soft persecution. If it ever goes hard, many will be asking, "How did that happen?" Incrementalism is how modern day totalitarianism comes about. I love our republic dearly but face the facts: we are in a transition period towards totalitarianism spearheaded by the Left (which includes the Republican party). I was in Miami from last Thursday to this past Monday for Ultra Music Festival (I'm a huge EDM fan). I commented to a friend that came with me that next concert we go to we have to bring an Indiana flag, as well as a flag of our alma mater (not going to say which one but it should obvious that it is not IU). My friend is a libertarian.

Seeing all the international flags, as well as several American flags (I picked up a discarded American flag towel on the ground, so livid about that), and a few state flags (Colorado and Maryland), we should've represented. As vacation started on Thursday, I did not pay attention to the news. Had I known the bill had been signed into law at that point, what would've happen if our blue flag with 19 stars, a torch, and Indiana appeared in the crowd? Would we have been ridiculed? Harassed? I frankly wouldn't have cared. I am damn proud of my state. My paternal ancestors have lived here, been born, and died here since 1850. Frankly, no other state in the republic would have had the guts to pass such a law. I only wish we would have stayed the course. My theory is two fold: 1) Pence has his eyes on 1600 Pennsylvania (he represented the 5th District for years on Capitol Hill) and 2) Indy (colloquial term for Indianapolis) was afraid of all the negative publicity that it would have affected businesses, its attempts at becoming a world class city, etc. My reaction to #1 is Pence we won't back you now that you went back on your word. My reaction to #2 is if it cost business, fine! We still have plenty of business outside of Marion County (where Indianapolis is located). As Vox said, "Never give them an inch." Pence, Bosma, and the other cowards did just that with the revision.

This law was necessary due to legislation from SCOTUS, federal, and state courts. Had they not legislated from the bench, none of this would have happened. Had homosexuals not disrupted enough APA meetings in the 1970's to successfully get homosexuality removed from the DSM, we may not have ended up here.

Anonymous A Visitor April 04, 2015 8:46 PM  

"We are not given a spirit of fear. We are the sons and daughters of the Crusades and of the Inquisitions, institutions so terrible that they strike terror in human hearts nearly one thousand years later. We are the heirs of Christendom. They cannot defeat us and they cannot defeat our Lord. Augustus and the pagan emperors of Rome failed. The Ottoman emperors failed. The French Revolutionaries failed. The Communist killers of Spain, the Soviet Union, and China failed. The post-Christian seculars of the latter-day USA will fail too."

Boom! Temporal pain may be inflicted on us but eternal glory is ours. My heart goes out to those who wish us dead. They are so wrapped up in their sin that their actions will cause greater sin and they risk ending up in Hell F.O.R.E.V.E.R. Not a day, not a week, not a month, not a decade, not three, for all eternity. That's the core of loving your enemy: wanting them to make it to Heaven too by turning away from their sinful ways because of the horror of rejecting God and freely choosing Satan.

"Gay marriage has become that line in the sand." Some people say, "I'm not in favor of gay marriage but if they want unions that's fine by me." This is an example of ignorance. By saying you approve of unions you tacitly endorse their lifestyle, which is an affront to God.

"Years ago, before we even had Internet where we lived," The beginning of postmodern redneck's comment speaks volumes. If we did not have the Internet, imagine where we'd be as a movement today? Thank God for it! ALLONS!

"If your Lord and Savior ends up being publicly tortured to death, the ONLY choice you have is to be in line right behind him."

Anonymous A Visitor April 04, 2015 8:46 PM  

Right. Surrendering to God's Will, I believe, is the hardest calling a man has in his life. It's a continuous struggle to do so and not to listen to sirens of the world or, worse yet, Satan calling you with all sorts of temporal comfort day in and day out. Surrendering to the Almighty's Will and doing what He asks of you in life is not easy but is worth it, temporally and eternally.

"Can someone give a useful definition of "religious liberty"?" The ability to practice one's religion free from reasonable interference from the state (i.e. if your "religion" asks for child sacrifice, the state can be able and must interject itself; refusal of catering to homosexual events, on the other hand, is in instance where the state should not interject itself; and before anyone start playing devil's advocate, just drop the race theoretical bs. It gets old, fast.).

To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, "We Christians of all denominations must hang together or surely we will hang separately."

"Would you have believed how fast outright perversions have spread? Incredible." It is still surreal how fast things have happened since I was kid in grade school.

"Same here. Besides, our own house needs a whole lot of cleaning before we start pointing out the dust in others'. A majority of self-professed Catholics are members in good standing, receiving Communion every Sunday despite no longer believing (or even knowing) the basic tenets of the faith, and we're going to chastise Protestants? Doesn't work."

Cail brings up a great point which applies to Catholics and our Protestant brothers: KNOW YOUR FAITH! I've learned more in the past four or five years of study in graduate school (my degree was not in theology, btw, these were non graded independent classes offered by the local Catholic church where I went to grad school) and in self study than I have through twelve years of formal Catholic education. Catechisis is horrid even in parochial grade schools. Learn your faith, know it. You, after all, are the one that must explain it to the world, be an apologist when necessary, and for some may be the only interaction with your faith they have. Comport yourself well, always.

"Angie's list is on the "don't do business with if you are a Christian" list." They're asking Indy for a loan because they're underwater. Let'em sink!

"Once there were 11. And they outlasted the Roman Empire." WHOOOOOOOOOOOP! AMEN!!!!!!!

Sincerely,

A Damn proud Hooiser!

Anonymous A Visitor April 04, 2015 8:48 PM  

A Postscript: Here is a mashup Armin did on Sunday. It was beautiful to hear this live!

Anonymous johnc April 04, 2015 10:22 PM  

I read with amusement an announcement by NASCAR (and separately The Speedway) which shared its position decrying the Indiana law. Now let's step back for a moment and examine this with all sobriety. Are we to believe that NASCAR cares a whit about this law either way? This thing does not affect them in any manner. Why would they even get involved?

So we can see with stark clarity what is going on here. Corporate America picked up the phones and said, "As loyal sponsors of your company, we expect to see a statement from you denouncing this law."

Those with ears ought to hear.

Anonymous marty April 04, 2015 10:23 PM  

I told this story at Sailer's a few years ago and noone seemed interested, so I'll offer it here.

In 1991 I was at Boalt Hall, the law school at Berkeley. At that time they had something called the "message center," a little kiosk manned by an undergrad who fielded phone calls for professors, then stuck the messages in their boxes. The guy who took the calls was a gay kid named Patrick, and he posted his various enthusiasms on a corkboard outside the kiosk. One day as I was passing by I noticed an admonition to "take one." On offer were 8 1/2 x 14 sheets of hot pink construction paper titled The Gay Agenda, listing ten points in gold and silver sparkles. Item #10 read, "to turn western civilization inside out!"

This so-called "hate" - in which direction does it run?

Blogger Desiderius April 04, 2015 10:54 PM  

Vox,

"Once there were 11. And they outlasted the Roman Empire."

Amen, brother. Every temporary setback simultaneously destroys what was before an excuse for frivolous schism, re-opening another path to orthodox unity.

Blogger Desiderius April 04, 2015 10:58 PM  

Visitor,

"Right. Surrendering to God's Will, I believe, is the hardest calling a man has in his life. It's a continuous struggle to do so and not to listen to sirens of the world or, worse yet, Satan calling you with all sorts of temporal comfort day in and day out."

I have to disagree. Once a man find's his true place, the yoke is easy and the burden light.

Blogger Cee April 04, 2015 11:08 PM  

EFM,

The problem with throwing that particular truth-bomb in among the Mormon faithful is that it's going to get a lot of them to leave behind the parts of the faith that are commendable--patriarch-oriented family rearing, monogamous fruitful marriage, etc., etc. Following the links out from CES Letter to StayLDS.com and other associated sites quickly gets one into the morass of progressive Christianity, as applied to the peculiar circumstances of the LDS church. Supporting the ordination of women, demanding that homosexuals be allowed to marry their mating partners because they were born that way and it's cruel not to, beating the drum for feminism and equalitarianism, and so on, and so forth.

Speaking as a Mormon myself, my inclination on seeing all that--if I hadn't already been getting a taste of rigorous Christian apologetics from a proper, rather than loony progressive framework (and hadn't already been introduced to the idea that the early Church had Real Problems from no less than Orson Scott Card)--would not be to run to Mother Church but to go screaming out into the night, there to eventually "marry" my lesbian lover. Or something equally stupid and useless.

Anonymous A Visitor April 04, 2015 11:49 PM  

@Desiderius,

My apologies. You are 100% correct on that. I stand corrected. Thanks!

Anonymous Discard April 04, 2015 11:54 PM  

It is a good thing for a state to be boycotted by the corporations. Get off Wall Street's tit. Be honestly productive. Tell the mooches to grab an oar or get out of the boat. Solve your own problems. Face the music sooner rather than later, and laugh at the places that fall apart when the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.

Blogger Cee April 05, 2015 12:15 AM  

Also, deeply impressed by the original post (as well as all the incredible comments). Thank you, Vox.

Anonymous Anonymous April 05, 2015 12:43 AM  

Vox, I apologize for saying that you look like Putin and contrasting you to John Wright. Its the last time I listen to a dare from a russian about finns while deep in my cups. I`m not one to insult people, especially two failed atheists. Just ask my former crew chief the `howling atheist from Willmar`. Your Friend, Atombum

Anonymous Isidore The Farmer April 05, 2015 8:52 AM  

The specific issue doesn't matter, but this specific issue plays to our advantage: LGBT people make up about 2-3%, and it doesn't change. Christian belief can grow wildly in the space of one generation. Not only are the numbers on our side, they will always be on our side. A perpetual Minority is currently working to silence the only traditional group that has afforded them space in the public square. That is a really stupid thing to do, and it is the seed of their own demise. It may take time for the winds to change, but all of this is temporary. In the meantime, the Christianity that emerges won't be so soft as is today.

Anonymous Didas Kalos April 05, 2015 1:14 PM  

The same Bible that says 'judge not' also says 'judge righteous judgment' and 'know ye not that we shall judge angels' (I Cor. 6). The same Bible that says 'turn the other cheek' also says 'he that hath no sword,...let him buy one.' The Bible commands us to pray for 'those in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty,' and 'for we wrestle not with flesh and blood.' There is a balance, and if we are living righteously before God we will know. If our lives are full of hypocrisy, and we are Christian only mentally and politically, and not born of the Spirit, then we will not know the balance. THE BATTLE IS WON IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM FIRST!

Anonymous The Shyster April 05, 2015 8:25 PM  

I have a suggestion for pushback against the machine. The reason the bakers are getting hammered is because they are denying services to a particular group, services that they are allowed to provide.

But what if they are no allowed to provide services to homosexuals? What if the local licensing laws have one license for selling heterosexual wedding cakes and another license for providing homosexual wedding cakes?

Your city or county does not make it illegal to sell cakes to homosexuals, it just requires you to have a homosexual cake license.

So, if you are a Christian baker, you just don't apply for the homosexual cake license and therefore are not permitted to sell cakes to homosexuals.

"It is not a case of discrimination", you say to the potential homosexual customers, "it's just that we don't have a license to sell you cakes."

I'll be you could fly this in under radar as a "progressive" law. Have your local city/county require "homosexual sensitivity training" before they will grant you are homosexual wedding cake license.

What homo wouldn't require "homosexual sensitivity training" for the right to freaking breathe (if they could)? Hell, your town/county could probably hire a rabid homo activist to do the training ... at $500 per licensee! ... and he would LOVE to support the new law ... until he realized that just one baker in his town was bothering to get the homo cakes license! And all the other bakers, like all the Muslim bakers in Dearborn, MI (according to last week's video) could politely decline to sell the homo cakes in perfect legality. No license? No cakes!

You have to think creatively, boys.

Anonymous JAW April 06, 2015 9:06 AM  

Great post!

Anonymous Viking April 06, 2015 11:54 AM  

They also failed in Mexico not even a century ago. The history of the Cristero War is both facinating and sobering. And it is frightening how little of the population knows about this recent history of our southern neighbor. Check out the movie For Greater Glory It is very historical but for a compressed timeline and some composite supporting characters. Oh to have the faith of a boy like Blessed José

But this is why Christians, all Christians need to work together, because our enemies will have no problem hanging right next to each other.

Anonymous Viking April 06, 2015 11:58 AM  

Best line in the movie:
"You must remember, that men will fire bullets but God decides where they will land."

Blogger Viking Gamer April 06, 2015 12:24 PM  

Here is another video talking about the movie and the history behind it.

Blogger nate895 April 08, 2015 2:47 PM  

*Nails flag to the masthead*

These colours won't be struck.

Blogger Mark Citadel April 10, 2015 3:37 PM  

Vox, this is an inspirational piece right here, and a call to cultural arms for all Christians. Either you are a Reactionary Christian or you are a collaborator with diabolical forces. Victories like RabidPuppies are just opening shots. We're here. We're radical right. And we're going to annihilate every last stinking vestige of 'Enlightenment' BS.

I quote the radical Romanian Christian nationalist, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, better known in his homeland simple as 'the Captain'.

“From the depths, the Legionnaire rises victorious with his rock-like soul. Those who think they can defeat him, as well as those who think they can buy him, will soon but too late come to the conclusion… that they were wrong.”

Blogger InnerPartisan April 12, 2015 12:24 PM  

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Blogger InnerPartisan April 12, 2015 12:28 PM  

"...we have the certain knowledge of God on our side."

You're in good company, Teddy.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2015 12:38 PM  

Memories Pizza was awarded money for cherry picking a part of the Bible they believe to be more important than another. If you are a law professor of great intelligence, it should not be hard for you to see why people get upset when you hold up one Bible verse as the unequivocal truth yet disregard another in which most modern Christians are in violation of. Maybe you would not feel the need to closet yourself as a christian if you practiced what Jesus actually taught, love, peace, and compassion. Your ignorance is astounding, I hope you have a long uncut beard as the Bible requires. I hope you do not eat meat on Fridays. I hope you have never eaten shellfish in your life. I hope you put you wife in a tent to be separated while she is on her period. I hope you force her to cover her hair in public because as the man in your religious world it entitles you to control her 100%. Your probably closeted because if people found out how ignorant you actually were then their confidence in you to provide the best education for their students will undoubtedly diminish. How can you be trusted to understand the world if you only believe it to be 6,000 years old. How can you be trusted to understand modern law when you believe religion gives you the right to own another human being. How can you be trusted when it is in your belief system that offering your virgin daughters to be raped by a mob is somehow the right decision. The underlying problem is you and many others of the same belief system only like parts of the Bible, not it in its entirety, but the parts you do believe in are so true that they hold correct even in this day but other rules need no longer apply. If you cannot see why these thought patters are dangerous especially for someones whose job it is to educate. I had Christian professors and went to a Presbyterian University. I assure you, you can both be an intelligent professor and a Christian, maybe it is just hard for you to reconcile your belief system with that of the modern world.

Anonymous Anonymous April 21, 2015 11:22 PM  

Totally bat-shit crazy.

Anonymous rick July 14, 2015 5:40 PM  

We are not given a spirit of fear. We are the sons and daughters of the Crusades and of the Inquisitions, institutions so terrible that they strike terror in human hearts nearly one thousand years later.

Couldn't agree more! Bring back the Inquisition: let's start by jailing all the protestants!

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