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Sunday, April 05, 2015

Their greatest threat

The Hugo announcements appear to have driven a few SJWs well around the bend:
This is a man who goes beyond bigot, whose longterm planning looks more and more like creating a Christian version of ISIS. I don't care about Godwin's Law, he has written his own Mein Kampf. Forget the "War Against Terrorism"; Vox Day's Culture War is the greatest threat to us all.
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:38 PM on April 5 [5 favorites]
My old Uncle Charlie - he once invited me to call him that - appears to be deeply, deeply disappointed with his black sheep of an adopted nephew:
The screaming question I feel the need to ask, is: why Finland? Could there be a connection between the white supremacist Perussuomalaiset (Finns Party), the overtly racist Sweden Democrats, the Dark Enlightenment/neoreactionary movement, and Vox Day's peculiarly toxic sect of Christian Dominionist theology?

Over a period of years, he's built an international coalition, finding common cause with the European neo-nazi fringe. Now they've attempted to turn the Hugo Awards into a battlefield in their (American) culture wars. But this clearly isn't the end game they have in mind: it's only a beginning. (The Hugos, by their very nature, are an award anyone can vote in for a small fee: it is interesting to speculate on how deep Vox Day's pockets are.) But the real burning question is, "what will he attack next?"
And now we know how the imagination that once produced Accelerando now exercises itself. Great stuff! My question is if it is "the screaming question" or "the real burning question" that takes priority? Remember, this is one of the very people who informs us that John C. Wright isn't a Hugo-quality writer, like them. Cuz they be writing real gooder! But at least we now have a proper name for the auxiliary forces of the Evil Legion of Evil, which is the International Coalition of the Willingly Evil.

But I do owe the man for honestly warning me about how speaking my mind freely would pose a serious risk to my career in SF/F. Is Scalzi around? Does that merit a hand job or will a mere "thanks, mate" suffice?

McRapey's friend Sparklepunter was content to settle for a death wish:
Chris Warcraft@chriswarcraft
The only thing that Vox Day deserves to win is a trip to a society that believes what he espouses so a random person can shoot him.
And another of Scalzi's little friends, @SFReviews, managed to get his account suspended.
Account suspended
The profile you are trying to view has been suspended.
These people really have their identity tied up as the One True Science Fiction Fans. The mere threat of not collecting their annual rocket tribute has them reacting like Gollum to someone trying to steal his Precious. For who would contemplate something so purely evil, but Evil Nazi Finnsssssss?

If this keeps up, it will provide Anonymous Conservative with enough material for tome on Rabbitology fatter than A Throne of Bones. And you know, for all that they enjoy citing the fact that my father has been imprisoned for years and babbling about how dangerous I am, it's interesting that they never manage to put the two together. I mean, in the movies, anyhow, people are usually very concerned about those who have direct contacts in the Federal prison system.

UPDATE: James Nicoll digs a deeper hole and swears off Baen Books:
Since Baen's publisher Toni Weisskopf is part of the Puppies slate for the second year running, I will no longer accept new commissions where the only edition is from Baen and while I will finish current projects involving Baen Books, I won't link to the Baen edition. I certainly will not be buying anything from Baen in the future. I urge everyone (particularly people with review sites) to do the same.
Not exactly a problem for Castalia House. None of them were ever going to review our books anyhow. What was that a very smart and astonishingly handsome man once said about denying a man a platform?

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Blogger rcocean April 05, 2015 6:23 PM  

OT - Some guy called Matt Binder is discussing Gamergate over at BHTV. Does anyone who he is? He seems to be a SJW.

Anonymous Alexander April 05, 2015 6:26 PM  

Last month, during a steam sale I managed to pick up EUIV and several of the expansions and extra-art packs, for about $40

Still only managed to rank 2nd in the most entertaining $40 spent this year.

Anonymous Toz April 05, 2015 6:26 PM  

Seems the main strategy for the SJW's to counter-attack at the Hugos is going to be some rule of author disqualification based on "hate speech" or something similar. My guess is that the rule will be general and will empower the organizers of WorldCon or something similar as the authority to ban certain writers/editors from winning any award based on "hate speech". Basically, something sufficiently vague that Tor, et al can continue to gatekeep.

Off topic: When is the sequel to A Throne Of Bones coming out, anyhow?

Anonymous shoeboy April 05, 2015 6:31 PM  

I can't wait for the very special episode of Law and Order about this.

OpenID richard1j April 05, 2015 6:32 PM  

The sweet sound of panic is in the air.

Anonymous kh123 April 05, 2015 6:33 PM  

"Chris Warcraft@chriswarcraft - The only thing that Vox Day deserves to win is a trip to a society that believes what he espouses so a random person can shoot him. "

Why not do it yourself, Chris. I mean, overlooking the fact you can't handle a gun, the type of shooting you're talking about doesn't necessarily require aiming.

Blogger Vox April 05, 2015 6:35 PM  

When is the sequel to A Throne Of Bones coming out, anyhow?

November.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield April 05, 2015 6:36 PM  

I had decided not to attend Sasquan because the dates are too close to a long planned Mediterranean cruise, but with the Puppies triumphant in the Hugo nominations I think I will go, if just to watch SJW heads explode when Vox wins!

I will be happy to accept for any nominee not able to attend and promise to wear my Guns and Gals Hawaiian shirt.

http://www.alohaland.com/misc-novelties/new-gunner-girls-sold-out

Blogger bob k. mando April 05, 2015 6:37 PM  

so ... the penultimate Stross post is ... advocating 'Free Speech' ... through an app that adds swear words to text?

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2015/04/a-major-ebook-announcement.html

an April Fools prank which obviously SOOOOOO much better than Clean Reader ... which Charlie hates.

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2015/03/an-exercise-in-futility.html

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 6:37 PM  

Seems the main strategy for the SJW's to counter-attack at the Hugos is going to be some rule of author disqualification based on "hate speech" or something similar. My guess is that the rule will be general and will empower the organizers of WorldCon or something similar as the authority to ban certain writers/editors from winning any award based on "hate speech".

Harassment and triggers. There's already a con looking at the harassment angle in general. That's an easy angle for the lefties.

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski April 05, 2015 6:39 PM  

Those Finns. I always have suspected them. Who knows what they are up to in their dark, brooding forests?

Blogger dw April 05, 2015 6:41 PM  

The Right has not yet even begun to fight and they're already freaking out. They're panicked, but not nearly panicked enough I'm afraid.

Anonymous Nathan April 05, 2015 6:41 PM  

"Seems the main strategy for the SJW's to counter-attack at the Hugos is going to be some rule of author disqualification based on "hate speech" or something similar."

That will be a double-edged sword that will impale more than a few of them.

Blogger bob k. mando April 05, 2015 6:46 PM  

also, Stross' raving about the 'nebulous' reasons for incorporating in Finland are hilarious.

isn't he the one that 'debunked' a bunch of Truther tropes? if that's the level of his research abilities, it impeaches everything he's done IRL>

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 6:47 PM  

Mr. Stross is getting down in the mud. Here's two separate comments of his from just one post:

The shout-out to "Campbellian" in the Castalia House bumph is telling -- John W. Campbell was an obnoxious racist (consider that Heinlein wrote "Fifth Column" to an outline drafted by Campbell and toned down the racist/eliminationist invective against the Yellow Peril!), as well as a crank and a reactionary who thought teh wimmins' place was in the kitchen. Says it all, really.

I am really really glad I'm not on the shortlist this year, as it means I don't have to rub shoulders with John C. Wright (the best description of whom that I've heard, being: "He's sort of like Gene Wolfe, with an involuntary lobotomy").


Charlie's throwing down the gauntlet

Anonymous Salt April 05, 2015 6:54 PM  

@SFReviews, managed to get his account suspended

That's not surprising. Got into it a little with him yesterday. He's a twit.

OpenID cailcorishev April 05, 2015 6:59 PM  

Vox, I wasn't aware that you'd written your "own Mein Kampf." That sounds like an interesting read; which title is it?

Among the many stories these supposedly literary idiots haven't heard must be "The Boy Who Cried Wolf." Who's going to notice his "screaming question," when they've been screaming every little thought that comes into their tiny heads for years?

Anonymous zen0 April 05, 2015 7:00 PM  

Vox Day's Culture War, coming to a theatre near you!

Dibs on the screen rights.

So only one side is allowed to fight a culture war. Who knew.

Blogger Markku April 05, 2015 7:01 PM  

He didn't even get the name of the party right. The English name is True Finns.

Blogger Krul April 05, 2015 7:01 PM  

Comment by Charlie Stross - I am really really glad I'm not on the shortlist this year, as it means I don't have to rub shoulders with John C. Wright (the best description of whom that I've heard, being: "He's sort of like Gene Wolfe, with an involuntary lobotomy").

Wow. I expected the hate against Vox, but not against John C Wright.

Comment from jeather - As repellant as some of Wright's ideas are, he is actually a Hugo-caliber author

I suppose that depends on how you define Hugo-caliber. There are a lot of dimensions to writing quality -- plot, characters, setting, writing style, politics -- and there's no rule that I have to consider plot and writing style enough to get past things that are not awards-worthy on other levels.

(That said, I haven't read his work, but I can't see why his horrifying ideas alone couldn't disqualify him from being awards-worthy.)


Excluding people for their political ideas and generally putting "message" over story is what got them into this mess in the first place. Will they ever learn?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 05, 2015 7:03 PM  

I want to know which work is equivalent to Mein Kampf. Or are you holding out, Vox?

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2015 7:04 PM  

"Matt Binder . . . Does anyone who he is?"

Oooooooh yeah. That's a name that will live in gamergate infamy. You can get a look at the little bitch here, courtesy of Sargon of Akkad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKlrOBPorUA

Blogger bob k. mando April 05, 2015 7:11 PM  

Krul April 05, 2015 7:01 PM
I expected the hate against Vox, but not against John C Wright.



it's not enough that the estimable John C. Wright is a serious Catholic. he also associates with known Right Wingers ... like Vox and Markku.

Anonymous The Deuce April 05, 2015 7:11 PM  

So, I registered for a supporting membership for the Hugos this morning so I can vote in the finals. Can anyone who's done this before tell me how long I can expect to wait before they email me the literature?

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 05, 2015 7:13 PM  

Anyone who doesn't want to go along with Stross's fevered dreams of a socialist world is a fascist so why not embrace it?

Anonymous Marcus Antonius zen0 April 05, 2015 7:14 PM  

(That said, I haven't read his work, but I can't see why his horrifying ideas alone couldn't disqualify him from being awards-worthy.)

Haven't read his work............ But Charles Stross says his ideas alone should disqualify him, and Stross is an honorable man.....

Anonymous Anon. April 05, 2015 7:16 PM  

@SFReviews is still active.

Anonymous Daniel April 05, 2015 7:17 PM  

Sparklepunter can't cover up a child rape properly. If he can't trust himself around young girls, do you really think he could trust himself with a gun? Better to rely on his old standby: panic at the rush and net 20 on the useless endzone kick.

Anonymous Ain April 05, 2015 7:17 PM  

"I suppose that depends on how you define Hugo-caliber. There are a lot of dimensions to writing quality -- plot, characters, setting, writing style, politics -- and there's no rule that I have to consider plot and writing style enough to get past things that are not awards-worthy on other levels.

(That said, I haven't read his work)



Now that's a blowhard in action. Marvel at the proud display of its ignorance.

Anonymous Jeanne April 05, 2015 7:18 PM  

You know, I expected them to be upset if the nominations didn't proceed according to their special little plans, but I didn't expect them to go full bat shit crazy within 24 hours of the announcement.

I can only laugh, shake my head, and pity them to a small degree.... but not enough to make me not want to utterly CRUSH them.

Blogger Eric April 05, 2015 7:21 PM  

The Right has not yet even begun to fight and they're already freaking out. They're panicked, but not nearly panicked enough I'm afraid.

They're panicking because they've declared victory in the culture war (pending a little mop up in the gaming sector), and this kind of stuff is mortar fire from a neighborhood they thought they were done with. The shrieking question underlying all their emotion is WHY WON'T YOU PEOPLE ACT LIKE WE'VE WON?

Blogger Markku April 05, 2015 7:24 PM  

This Ian S fellow in the thread is actually dangerous. He has figured the entire game out.
----
Thing is, the '1950s set' tend to make themselves look more reasonable than they are ("the EU doesn't work, we should dissociate ourselves if it won't reform"); whilst the 'right-on set' get progressively more extreme ("alternative sexualities are all equally valid and anyone saying different should be jailed"). The result is the middle majority tend to end up siding with the 1950s set - you can only claim "they're all racists" so many times before it loses all meaning.
----
Yes, that is exactly it. That is exactly why we pulled it all off. But, happily, they won't listen. They are too crazy for that.

Anonymous GreatBlatherton April 05, 2015 7:28 PM  

How are winners selected? What are the chances Castalia House picks up an actual Hugo or two?

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 05, 2015 7:28 PM  

Yes, we think the 50s were just great! Korea, Communist infiltration of the US government, the beginnings of the Cold War arms race? Why yes we think the 50s were just swell!

Anonymous kh123 April 05, 2015 7:29 PM  

Finns - the other white... supremacists.

What we're seeing though is some kind of psychic cry from the past, the SJW's political ancestry giving the current crop their Obi Wan moment - and what better place than in SF! Thus, Molotov's encouragement for them to switch off their targeting computer and go full retard.

Anonymous Donn April 05, 2015 7:29 PM  

The greatest threat to us all. Hmm, somewhere behind global warming surely? Or The War on Women? And don't forget homophobia, pollution (who worries about pollution any more no that we import millions of Third Worlders every year)? The war on Gay marriage? Russia? Iran? Even North Koreans have nukes.

Vox Day is worse than the Yellowstone Caldera, massive solar flares and the risk of Near Earth Objects combined.

Anonymous Toz April 05, 2015 7:29 PM  

> That will be a double-edged sword that will impale more than a few of them.

I don't think that deters them at all. They're fine eating their own as long as they win.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 05, 2015 7:30 PM  

The old liberal/leftist view of the 50s as being a static unchanging time of such oppressive traditionalism is utterly hilarious. It was actually a dynamic era with the start of the civil rights movement. The first real shot was Brown vs. Board of Education and that took place all the way in 1954.

OpenID cailcorishev April 05, 2015 7:32 PM  

Will they ever learn?

No. If they were capable of learning, they wouldn't be who they are.

Anonymous VD April 05, 2015 7:33 PM  

Can anyone who's done this before tell me how long I can expect to wait before they email me the literature?

4-6 weeks. They haven't even requested it for the packet yet. We're starting to put it together.

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2015 7:33 PM  

@Derrick Bonsell: The 50's ain't what they used to be.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 05, 2015 7:34 PM  

" Vox Day's Culture War is the greatest threat to us all."

So let it be written, so let it be done. The sooner, the better. *pours a glass of red*

Anonymous Donn April 05, 2015 7:34 PM  

Vox, Markku Did you notice Stross accused you of putting out the military anthology to create voters? How insane is that?

Anonymous Toz April 05, 2015 7:35 PM  

>> When is the sequel to A Throne Of Bones coming out, anyhow?

> November.

Assuming the sequel as good as the original, next years SP4/RP2 has the potential to be the critical battle. Entertaining, at the very least, possibly setting a precedent for the current culture war.

Blogger Vox April 05, 2015 7:35 PM  

How are winners selected? What are the chances Castalia House picks up an actual Hugo or two?

It depends on whether they decide to let it ride or turn the Hugo Awards in the Hugo No Awards. Very good in the case of the former, probably 50-50 if they shoot for the latter. Of course, the most amusing outcome will be if they shoot for the latter and fail.

That will pretty much finish them for next year and beyond. Their whole game relies upon the illusion of inevitability.

Blogger Guitar Man April 05, 2015 7:36 PM  

Wow, these are the finest examples of bitter nerds on display.

Blogger Vox April 05, 2015 7:37 PM  

Vox, Markku Did you notice Stross accused you of putting out the military anthology to create voters? How insane is that?

Well, he's not wrong about how we could use it if we wanted. Never mind that we publish a number of other significant military works that do us no good in that regard.

Anonymous NateM April 05, 2015 7:38 PM  

"the auxiliary forces of the Evil Legion of Evil, which is the International Coalition of the Willingly Evil."

Is that like the Football League Championship to the ELoE's Premiere? I'd like to think so, that way there's always possibility of an Auxiliarist to get Promoted

Blogger Derrick Bonsell April 05, 2015 7:39 PM  

All the progs thought they won when they kicked you out of SFWA. Instead it seems like you'll get the last laugh.

Anonymous Donn April 05, 2015 7:40 PM  

Guitar Man - I love the whole 'run for the hills the Martians are coming!' tone they are setting. The whole 'Finns are all Nazis' thing and trying to link CH to WN political groups is terrifyingly funny.

Anonymous Giuseppe April 05, 2015 7:42 PM  

What. The. Fuck.
Maybe I am a little susceptible because I just put up a new post that is pretty personal, but in a way this seems to me as clear evidence of a real life spiritual battle about to begin on Earth. Though, the fight is not of this world, we most certainly will feel it here too.

My only concern is that many of those on the opposition are there by default and having been lied to, and being brainwashed and deceived from birth.

If we use the analogy of war, it makes no difference, of course. A bullet from a conscientious objector, a friend, or an enemy kills you all the same, and as such, one needs to fire back.

And fire back straight, and true and hard.

I only want to remind any who may be confused that your first bullet should be the unadulterated truth. Maybe your second and third too (I am an impatient man) and those who are better than me might only use that specific type of bullet regardless of the evil-doing of the enemy (due to the spiritual equivalent of the Geneva conventions).

But personally, after it has been established that the bullet of truth has not enlightened the wilfully ignorant, the deceivers and the hypocrites, then it is perfectly legitimate to follow through with frangible rounds dipped in cyanide.

Anonymous Donn April 05, 2015 7:43 PM  

I can just see you and Markku sitting in the ELoE lair rubbing your hands and cackling, "We will create dozens of new voters a year!" (minus those that are already established authors I suppose).

Blogger Markku April 05, 2015 7:46 PM  

Markku Did you notice Stross accused you of putting out the military anthology to create voters? How insane is that?

I'm reading the thread, yes, and enjoy the tales of these supervillains of Castalia House. I only wish I can some day live up to the evil genius of these characters. I'll start practicing an evil laugh, at the very least.

OpenID cailcorishev April 05, 2015 7:46 PM  

Every day at recess, the three smallest, weakest boys in the class attack the biggest, strongest boy, kicking him in the shins, throwing small rocks at him, running up and punching him in the back, etc. He's never fought back, because he's so much bigger and stronger that they can't really do any lasting damage, and he knows he could kill one of them if he lashed out, so he holds back out of compassion. This goes on for days and days. Other small boys see that the big boy won't fight back and begin to join in, and the pinpricks begin to add up.

One day, the big boy makes a small grab at a boy who's kicking him, and they all scream and run away, then go to the teachers and tell how he tried to hurt them out of the blue. They demand that the teachers let them tie the big boy to a post so they can continue their administration of schoolyard fairness.

This they do, but they suck at tying knots, so the big boy gets an arm free and knocks one of them out with a swat. Again, they scream like little girls and run away, denouncing him for his outrageous violence. Nothing short of his expulsion will do now.

Anonymous zen0 April 05, 2015 7:46 PM  

@ Donn

. > Vox Day is worse than the Yellowstone Caldera, massive solar flares and the risk of Near Earth Objects combined.


Please. It's VOX-RA

Anonymous Lulabelle April 05, 2015 7:46 PM  

ICOWE. It needs a logo.

Blogger RBooster Man April 05, 2015 7:47 PM  

Matt Binder is a very effete SJW.

Anonymous The Deuce April 05, 2015 7:47 PM  

Vox:

It depends on whether they decide to let it ride or turn the Hugo Awards in the Hugo No Awards. Very good in the case of the former, probably 50-50 if they shoot for the latter. Of course, the most amusing outcome will be if they shoot for the latter and fail.

In that regard, I suspect they may come to regret blaming this on GamerGate and getting the attention of everyone in it before it was too late for us to register to vote in the finals.

Anonymous Red Comet April 05, 2015 7:49 PM  

I don't get why Stross and these other psychos think Sad/Rabid Puppies is some kind of conspiracy. It's right there out in the open on a number of blogs.

I also like how Stross directly links to one of Vox's blog posts and posts a link to a second post via Do Not Link all within the same sentence.

Blogger RBooster Man April 05, 2015 7:51 PM  

Matt Binder, the effete SJW:

http://xmattx.com/mattbinderresume.html
http://youtu.be/3wlfBIIzjMs

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 05, 2015 7:54 PM  

So much for that notion of gun control being a universal truth. Maybe sparklepunter can further explain that statement of his. And which person or company hosted his crazy violence laden post?

Blogger bob k. mando April 05, 2015 7:55 PM  

Jeanne April 05, 2015 7:18 PM
but not enough to make me not want to utterly CRUSH them.



if you wear high heels to do it, i hear you can make good money posting pics to the interwebs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raRDSxGXZxo

Blogger Vox April 05, 2015 7:56 PM  

In that regard, I suspect they may come to regret blaming this on GamerGate and getting the attention of everyone in it before it was too late for us to register to vote in the finals.

Kind of like the way they're now regretting blaming SP2 on me, if you think about it. But they never learn. I suspect that next year, they'll bitterly regret No Awarding everything too. Hey, it's just agree and amplify.

Anonymous Jeanne April 05, 2015 8:01 PM  

Oh, and a Christian version of ISIS? These willfully stupid cretins!! Yeah, sure, a Christian version of ISIS, bcause we want everyone to be left alone to write whatever they want and to read whatever they want without being subject to some ideological purity test or threatened, blackballed, harassed, etc.

I despise these people. Despise them.

Blogger Krul April 05, 2015 8:02 PM  

I would like to remind everyone that GamerGate and Sad Puppies are dead. They have been defeated and silenced by the unassailable forces of Social Justice. At least, that's what First Things said back in January.

They were a fairly representative and diverse sample, but they all said the same thing: Gamergate is dead, and the truth is irrelevant. Regardless of what gamers did or didn’t do, they were successfully painted as vicious thugs, and now the term “Gamergate” is toxic. A few holdouts remain, but there is no hope of support from a sympathetic public because the PR war was lost, and it was lost decisively.

The lessons of Gamergate are clear: a hostile and aggressive social justice movement is actively looking for vulnerable targets far outside their usual hunting grounds. Sharing a common political outlook is no protection. Once you become a target, the debate will become an exercise in character assassination... Most ominous of all, however, Gamergate was the second time this story played out in 2014. The first happened a few months earlier and centered around the sci-fi community and the annual Hugo Awards. It ended similarly, with victory for the social justice advocates by silencing most of their opponents. Who will be targeted in 2015?


That's just the latest. Gamergate and Sad Puppes "die" more often than Kratos.

Anonymous SumDood April 05, 2015 8:02 PM  

The commenters on that James Nicoll post are throwing around a lot of nasty allegations about Tom Kratman.

Not to his face, naturally.

Anonymous Jeanne April 05, 2015 8:04 PM  

Bob,

LOL! A girl never goes out without her heels.... ;)

Anonymous Alexander April 05, 2015 8:10 PM  

Going around claiming you killed puppies is probably the second most common cause of puppy related sadness.

Anonymous Alexander April 05, 2015 8:11 PM  

Slandering Kratman and Wright. I don't know about you, but when I go around defaming people on the internet, I tend to go after people who are

1. Lawyers
2. Have multiple publishing houses paying for their written words.

This strikes me as an excellent avenue for an SJW attack. You get 'em, tigers!

Blogger ray April 05, 2015 8:12 PM  

Congrats to the sad puppies. Didn't know sad puppies was an International Coalition of Toxic Christians but, well done there too. Hilarious seeing the cultural imperialists finally getting a dose of their own tribal tactics.

However, I suspect Finland will be surprised they are involved in this one.

The Hugos were trustworthy in the sixties and seventies, when I read s.f. Would love to see them restored to their proper esteem, and the imposters booted.

These people sound worried they're going to lose their privilege. And they are going to lose their privilege.

He is risen, and returning. Wait until they get a chance to hate that!

Anonymous Driftwoad April 05, 2015 8:15 PM  

James Worrad reports on Twitter that an emergency panel was convened at EasterCon today on how to defeat the global threat that is Sad/Rabid Puppies.

I shit you not.

Anonymous Jeanne April 05, 2015 8:18 PM  

First Thing sounds defeatist. You know, I'm taking what Vox has said to heart.

1. This is a long term battle.
2. Never quit, never apologize, never back down.
3. Don't engage in fratricide.

Onward and upward, my friends.

Anonymous Donn April 05, 2015 8:19 PM  

They won't even spell Kratman's name. Vox has a voldemort rival. Pretty soon they'll come up with code words for everything lest they conjour their devils.

Anonymous Alexander April 05, 2015 8:22 PM  

Just so we're all clear...

The SJW's deny any group effort regarding the Hugo Awards... while they openly hold a bloody panel to discuss Vox Day and how to defeat him at a convention

Vox, you've outdone yourself.

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 8:23 PM  

James Worrad reports on Twitter that an emergency panel was convened at EasterCon today on how to defeat the global threat that is Sad/Rabid Puppies.

Having read that Twitter stream, I wonder if they get the many ironies involved there.

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2015 8:24 PM  

@Driftwoad: "I shit you not."

Well thanks for that. Sounds rather unpleasant for the both of us.

Blogger Krul April 05, 2015 8:26 PM  

Jeane - First Thing sounds defeatist.

And hilarious in hindsight.

Just a few months ago, GG and SP were dead and done for. You could just see the tears streaming down the First Things article "T-they never had a ch-chance (sniff)!"

Now, low and behold, SP took the Hugos by storm, and the rabbits are visibly cowering before the specter of Gamergate.

(Was Gamergate even involved with Sad/Rabid puppies? I don't think it was, but the Haydens bringing it up as a boogeyman-slash-scapegoat to explain their loss shows the extent of its influence.)

Blogger borderwalker April 05, 2015 8:27 PM  

Well, this is turning out to be the best $40 I've ever spent (and I haven't even gotten the reading material yet).

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 8:36 PM  

Matthew David Surridge apparently declined a nomination he'd won, and he's apparently another who was on at least one of the Puppies slates.

His explanation sucks, but that's on him.

Anonymous B Lewis April 05, 2015 8:38 PM  

I think you guys are celebrating too early. These evil creeps did not come to have a stranglehold upon free thought by being stupid. If you beat them according to the rules, they will change the rules so that it is impossible to beat them, and I guarantee you they are doing just that right this minute.

As I've said before: dissent will not be tolerated. The All-Union Collective of Speculative Fiction and Fantasy Workers will not be mocked by roaders and running dogs of capitalism. Mark my words: the SF Central Committee is going to create a secret police force to investigate the ranks of Hugo nominees for their ideological purity. Should any given nominee be found to be less than completely enthusiastic about Marxist-Leninist-Mao Zedong Thought, his work will be disqualified from competition, while he himself will be set upon by the SF Red Guard, dragged into the digital street, and subjected to a harsh Criticism/Self-Criticism session until he accepts the inevitable triumph of the international Worker-Peasant-Artisan Movement, or his career implodes.

Yes, it's fun to watch the myrmidons of the Left scurry, but kicking over their anthill isn't going to be enough to destroy it. Sooner or later we are going to have to dig deep and deal with the Queens. Fortunately, when that day comes we will have the might of the armed forces of Fascist Finland to aid us in our war on stupidity. Tänään SF, huomenna maailma!

Anonymous tiredofitall April 05, 2015 8:40 PM  

When is the sequel to A Throne Of Bones coming out, anyhow?

"November." - Vox

Oh happy birthday to me!!!

Blogger Vox April 05, 2015 8:41 PM  

I think you guys are celebrating too early. These evil creeps did not come to have a stranglehold upon free thought by being stupid. If you beat them according to the rules, they will change the rules so that it is impossible to beat them, and I guarantee you they are doing just that right this minute.

I don't think you understand us at all. We're celebrating a petty win in a minor battle. We know nothing has ended.

Anonymous SammyBoy April 05, 2015 8:45 PM  

cailcorishev, the whole "little bullies" thing is reminiscent of this entertaining vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isfn4OxCPQs

Blogger wrf3 April 05, 2015 8:46 PM  

We need a brilliant graphic designer to illustrate sad puppies being taken to Room 101 and a filmmaker t show puppies being forced to watch movies depicting brutality and depravity while the soaring music of Beethoven plays in the background. Also, does anyone know at what temperature a puppy burns?

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2015 8:54 PM  

The puppy flashpoint is circa 215C/420F. Don't ask me how I know.

Anonymous kh123 April 05, 2015 8:57 PM  

"...sad puppies being taken to Room 101 and a filmmaker t show puppies being forced to watch movies depicting brutality and depravity while the soaring music of Beethoven plays in the background."

The temptation to end the line with "...Vox sent us."

But the SJW's seem to have already tagged the voters with that. Which says quite a bit about how they see him.

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 8:58 PM  

I think you guys are celebrating too early. These evil creeps did not come to have a stranglehold upon free thought by being stupid. If you beat them according to the rules, they will change the rules so that it is impossible to beat them, and I guarantee you they are doing just that right this minute.

What on Earth do you think we expect them to do? Vox is, obviously, much more deeply involved in this than am I, and I can can read probably something like 10 obvious moves they're likely to look at without even trying to work them out. I'm sure Vox has planned for more than that.

Changing the rules is the most obvious move of them all. It's smarter than conspiring to rig the final vote (They're already doing that, too), and it's easier than having TOR spend even more money rigging the awards.

Get ready for other maneuvers such as picking off the easy members of the slate (2 members already did that themselves), isolating 1 or 2 of the members to be used as the evil face of the 'movement' (Vox is the obvious first on that list), and full press othering (already in progress), just as the start of their response.

Hell, that's 6 response types right there, and I wasn't even planning to go that far.

Blogger wrf3 April 05, 2015 9:01 PM  

kh123 wrote: The temptation to end the line with "...Vox sent us."

Flashback to: "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova. Commander. Daughter of Andre and Sophie Ivanov. I am the right hand of vengeance and the boot that is going to kick your sorry ass all the way back to Earth, sweetheart. I am death incarnate, and the last living thing that you are ever going to see. God sent me."

Blogger Corvinus April 05, 2015 9:07 PM  

"I think you guys are celebrating too early. These evil creeps did not come to have a stranglehold upon free thought by being stupid."

No, but they most certainly did take advantage of normals' trying to play fairly with them.

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 9:08 PM  

There really needs to be a bigot list compiled, listing the names of all the people who admitted that they wouldn't read, or judge, books solely because of author/publisher/puppies slate/etc...

And those on the list need to be shouted down as bigots every time, and everywhere, they post. I think a taste of their own medicine might just be found to be a bit bitter.

Blogger Vox April 05, 2015 9:11 PM  

There really needs to be a bigot list compiled, listing the names of all the people who admitted that they wouldn't read, or judge, books solely because of author/publisher/puppies slate/etc...

So do it. Start at Making Light. Then Twitter. Then email it to me. That's how 4GW works. One important #GamerGate slogan is: I am the Leader of #GamerGate and so can you.

I am the Leader of Rabid Puppies and so can you.

Blogger Vox April 05, 2015 9:11 PM  

Oh, and be sure to include the quote. For proof.

Blogger Krul April 05, 2015 9:12 PM  

Scintan - I think a taste of their own medicine might just be found to be a bit bitter.

The difference being that unlike the people they slandered, they are in fact bigots.

Bigot (n): a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Blogger bob k. mando April 05, 2015 9:18 PM  

wrf3 April 05, 2015 8:46 PM
Also, does anyone know at what temperature a puppy burns?


1,600–1,800 °F, due primarily to the significant water content of the body.

textual or mummified puppies would, of course, burn very close to 451 °F.

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 9:18 PM  

The difference being that unlike the people they slandered, they are in fact bigots.

There are plenty of bigots on both sides. That's why I find the term's power so interesting. This is a rhetorical battle. In a rhetorical battle, he who frames the debate will nearly always win.

Again, and probably not for the last time, I say "Just ask Indiana".

OpenID cailcorishev April 05, 2015 9:20 PM  

I suspect that next year, they'll bitterly regret No Awarding everything too.

I know they're dumb, but are they really dumb enough to score that own goal? Man, that would be awesome.

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 9:21 PM  

So do it. Start at Making Light. Then Twitter. Then email it to me. That's how 4GW works. One important #GamerGate slogan is: I am the Leader of #GamerGate and so can you.

I'll toss you a couple of them. I've already posted a few in your threads, and I'll add a couple more. Since I have essentially no connections, or current interests, in the involved fields, though, others will need to step up and take over the project if it's to have any real value.

Blogger HalibetLector April 05, 2015 9:27 PM  

[One comment deleted; let's not go for the actual Nazi comparisons, even though these guys are terrible.]
posted by LobsterMitten at 1:27 PM on April 4 [2 favorites]


Holy crap in a hat. I always thought MetaFilter had a reputation as being the only long run decent online community site on the internet. The above is a quote from an actual moderator on the hugo awards thread. O_O So much for that reputation.

Anonymous zen0 April 05, 2015 9:29 PM  

@ Scintian

Changing the rules is the most obvious move of them all. It's smarter than conspiring to rig the final vote (They're already doing that, too), and it's easier than having TOR spend even more money rigging the awards.

They will completely co-operate with the de-legitimizing of the Hugos rather than repent. They will simply pretend it has not happened, while the SF public will begin to call them the SJW Awards.

Blogger Cee April 05, 2015 9:33 PM  

(That said, I haven't read his work, but I can't see why his horrifying ideas alone couldn't disqualify him from being awards-worthy.)

This counts for Equoid, right? Can it be disqualified retroactively for being just a bunch of horrifying ideas sandwiched together into a book?

Blogger bob k. mando April 05, 2015 9:34 PM  

you know, Nicoll is from Kitchener, Ontario.

which is also the home of Dave Sim.

yes, i am laughing uproariously.

Blogger dfordoom April 05, 2015 9:36 PM  

Even North Koreans have nukes.

Thank goodness those evil Nazi Finns don't have nukes.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 05, 2015 9:38 PM  

All at once there came a blood-curdling shriek, filled with hatred and despair. Gollum was defeated. He dared go no further. He had lost: lost his prey, and lost, too, the only thing he had ever cared for, his precious. The cry brought Bilbo's heart to his mouth, but still he held on. Now faint as an echo, but menacing, the voice came behind:

"Thief, thief, thief! Baggins! We hates it, we hates it, we hates it for ever!"


The smart thing for them to do is sit out this year and quietly fume, while this small time Finn publishing house sweeps the awards.

In addition, they could try engaging the more reasonable elements of the Sad Puppies, (AKA Brad.) in a reasonable tone of voice. Even, agree with a few of his points.

From there it would be no great leap, make it look like a micro-publishing house had gamed the system to it the system's detriment. Change would be reasonable under those circumstances.

They seemed almost on course to do that yesterday. I was just a bit worried.

Silly old Cataline, they were just in shock. They have dumped a cold bucket of water over themselves, shook their heads and given howling voice to their terror at their loss.

If they win the No Award gambit, it will look like they had to burn their own house down and call that a victory.

If they lose the No Award gambit, they look hopelessly impotent.

No matter how much they move the goal posts, they aren't going to be dancing in aisles like they were last year.

In the mean time I have to decide which maniacal evil laugh is better.

Invader Zim's

Or Yzma's

Also working on a new cocktail recipe:

SJW Tears
2 ounces gin (Because I won't use Vodka)
1/4 ounce maraschino liqueur
1/2 ounce fresh lemon juice (for appropriate sourness
1 ounce of creme de violette (for a 1930s throwback)
2 dashes of angostura bitters (for the bitter aftertaste)

I admit this needs work.



Anonymous Lulabelle April 05, 2015 9:43 PM  

" dfordoom April 05, 2015 9:36 PM

Even North Koreans have nukes.

Thank goodness those evil Nazi Finns don't have nukes."

Sure they do. They're saving them for the Russkies.

Anonymous Donn April 05, 2015 9:44 PM  

It needs a lot of work. Where's the whiskey?

Anonymous Trimegistus April 05, 2015 9:46 PM  

Vox, it must be very refreshing and reassuring for you to learn from Mr. Stross and his pals that you are part of a vast, well-funded, and tightly-organized conspiracy that stretches from the Koch Brothers to European nationalist parties and includes the Military-Industrial Complex, Fox News, and that kid back at University who stole Stross's girlfriend. With such vast powers at your fingertips, I confess I am a little puzzled why you're wasting time with the Hugos instead of seizing control of the oilfields and the banks.

Blogger bob k. mando April 05, 2015 9:53 PM  

Cataline Sergius April 05, 2015 9:38 PM
2 dashes of angostura bitters (for the bitter aftertaste)



but ... their tears are yummy and *sweet*.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbIR51_J_qY


another thing about Nicoll? he's a Heinlein fan.

you know, Heinlein? that sexist, fascist, racist pig?

frankly, i don't see how Nicoll can be accepted as a member of the SJW community with such degenerate preferences.

Blogger Daniel April 05, 2015 9:54 PM  

Sad Puppies Strike SJWS with Crippling Finnphobia

Anonymous Lulabelle April 05, 2015 9:58 PM  

SJW Tears
2 ounces gin (Because I won't use Vodka)
1/4 ounce maraschino liqueur
1/2 ounce fresh lemon juice (for appropriate sourness
1 ounce of creme de violette (for a 1930s throwback)
2 dashes of angostura bitters (for the bitter aftertaste)\

I really think the maraschino should be replaced with Frangelico.

Anonymous zen0 April 05, 2015 10:03 PM  

The Culture War We're In


The left is good at tearing down a culture. But its swath of destruction creates cultural guerrillas who carry their culture with them. Men and women whose values cannot be broken by pop culture and social media mobs. When those men and women form families and communities, they become the counter-culture. And the final phase of this culture war will be between them and the left.

Either they will win. Or the West will die.

Anonymous Bah April 05, 2015 10:06 PM  

Gee did the Finnish SS make a special exception for non-Aryans like Vox and Correia?

Blogger Markku April 05, 2015 10:06 PM  

Was it nefarious plots coming from deep pockets?

Or was it starting a company in the old fashioned way, being zero debt and small expenses, and being able to turn a percentually huge profit, with which to produce products in a previously untapped market segment that was just about to become immensely popular?

I WILL NOT SAY! I would do my evil laugh here, but I haven't practiced it enough yet.

Anonymous Leonidas April 05, 2015 10:07 PM  

One important #GamerGate slogan is: I am the Leader of #GamerGate and so can you.

I am the Leader of Rabid Puppies and so can you.


That is one huge reason I ended up getting into indie publishing this year. I watch these guys and - regardless of earlier comments in this thread about "not getting where they are by being stupid" - they're just rank amateurs. Like, really colossally amateur.

They seriously didn't foresee Correia turning down his Hugo nomination? It's not some strategic genius on Correia's part - it's the obvious move. And yet they've been arguing and arguing for years that this was all about getting him a Hugo, and then wham, they get hit with that... and don't know what to do with it. But it's a bullet they never should have gotten hit with in the first place because it's so obvious.

If these are the SMOFs, I know we can take them. No, they didn't get where they are by being stupid. They got where they are by the rest of us being complacent. All that needs to happen is for that to end.

Anonymous roo_ster April 05, 2015 10:08 PM  

These Stross and Nichols fellows seem a bit unhinged. And, not to go all John C Wright on them, but the tone of their posts do seem rather unmanly in their hysteria.

They would benefit from a pause and some reflection.

Anonymous zen0 April 05, 2015 10:09 PM  

@ Cataline Sergius

(Because I won't use Vodka)

Why on earth not?

Anonymous dh April 05, 2015 10:10 PM  

They did regret the No Award from last year. It's pretty obvious. John Scalzi is eating his words about "bring your own fans".

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 10:12 PM  

These Stross and Nichols fellows seem a bit unhinged.

Clearly bigots

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 10:22 PM  

Gavia Baker-Whitelaw weighs in:

<a href="http://www.dailydot.com/geek/hugo-award-nominees-sad-puppies/>The trackback links are worth reading too</a>

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 10:23 PM  

Sorry about the above post. I screwed up with the link. Let's try again...

Gavia Baker-Whitelaw weighs in:

The trackback links are worth reading too

Anonymous WowJustWow April 05, 2015 10:25 PM  

A comment at James Nicolls site:

"For those of you who care more about whether a book is good or not than whether or not the author of a given work is part of the International Worker-Artist-Peasant Creative Collective, I am happy to accept new commissions whether the only edition is from Baen or not. That's right, gang -- I don't give a hoot in hell if the author of a given book is a Russian, a Rosicrucian, or a Rotarian. It matters not to me if a given publisher is a Nazi, a Brony, or a Trekkie on Welfare. All I care about is the Q Word (that's Quality, kids).

In addition to my open-minded, tolerant, and non-judgmental attitude toward diverse points of view, I am (unlike Mr. Nicoll) an actual published author in both fiction and nonfiction, and as such I have aesthetic standards which are based in my firsthand experience of the Real World of books, rather than on some elaborate political/ideological theory. I am also classically educated (Homer, Plato, etc.) so I have a vast knowledge of the canon of Western literature, which -- along with my many other talents -- I will be happy to place

At Your Service,

[poster's business website]"

Anonymous Steve April 05, 2015 10:30 PM  

Vox - their impotent rage is hilarious. And I absofuckinglutely love this bit of melodrama:

it's only a beginning. [...] But the real burning question is, "what will he attack next?"

While you and your obligatory white Persian cat gloat over an oversized atlas in your high-tech secret lair, I hope you remember to tip your trusty henchmen.

And think of the poor terrified SJW's. They don't even know about your secret WMD stockpiles yet.

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 10:32 PM  

Podcast about the sad puppies from some months back. I found it worth listening to:

It's a bit long3/aisfp-291-anti-sad-puppies-with-paul-weimer/


Paul Weimer struggles to keep his personal bias out, but it shows clear at times, especially when he talks about Vox.

Blogger ChicagoRefugee April 05, 2015 10:33 PM  

Well damn. Normally I'd consider retaliating for the SJW's Baen-phobia by using my brand spanking new Worldcon supporting membership to relentlessly "No Award" each and every Tor nominee, but that would leave me in the uncomfortable and untenable position of No Award-ing John C Wright - and that would never do!

Such a conundrum ....

Blogger Krul April 05, 2015 10:41 PM  

Gavia Baker-Whitelaw - [Referring to Gamergate and Sad Puppies] both movements are motivated by the same emotions: fear and anger about their community becoming more diverse and inclusive.

New drinking game: take a shot whenever you see blatant projection from a rabbit/SJW type.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 05, 2015 10:43 PM  

@ zen0

SJW Tears is a supposed to be a bit of 1930s throwback. Much like the SJWs themseleves. Consequently gin is more appropriate.

@ Lulabelle I'm afraid the same would go for the Frangelico, although it would play rather nicely with it.

Blogger Markku April 05, 2015 10:45 PM  

The anthology idea he proposed for how we might take the Nebulas sounded pretty good, actually. It hadn't occurred to me, and I don't know it it occurred to Vox. But it sounds like it could work.

Blogger Markku April 05, 2015 10:49 PM  

It's sort of nice to get pro bono consulting services from the enemy. Quite sporting of them, really.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 05, 2015 10:49 PM  

"@ Lulabelle I'm afraid the same would go for the Frangelico, although it would play rather nicely with it."

Ah, ok. I was mainly attracted by the idea of the Frangelico bottle representing a monk.....might think on this some more.

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 10:53 PM  



If you choose to do it, do it quickly. They'll find a way to block it, as soon as possible.

Blogger Markku April 05, 2015 10:59 PM  

I don't know if we want to. It would be a big inconvenience to our authors to belong to SFWA, I think. I suspect there would be a daily barrage of SJW stuff. Is it worth their inconvenience to grab such a thorougly pink organization? I don't know. I mean, the thought of moving our authors like pawns of us evil puppet-masters may sound entertaining, but these are actual people with actual lives.

But still I have to admit, there was appeal to his idea.

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 11:01 PM  

Plenty of Bigotry to be found at Scalzi's, but I thought I'd post something he wrote in comments:



Terryweyna:

I’ve never put together a slate, no. What I have done is let people know what I had in any given year that was eligible for awards, and also posted comment threads where people could recommend their own stuff (if they were creators) or stuff they liked (if they were fans).

That this is bruited as an equivalent action to creating a slate suggests either mendacity or disingenuousness, or both.

I recognize that many of these people get irrationally worked up about me. I think it’s very sad for them that they let me live rent free in their brains.

Anonymous Stickwick April 05, 2015 11:04 PM  

Markku: I'm reading the thread, yes, and enjoy the tales of these supervillains of Castalia House. I only wish I can some day live up to the evil genius of these characters. I'll start practicing an evil laugh, at the very least.

You might also go with a posh English accent and a mustache to twirl. And for those times when you're about to throw a nemesis into an elaborate death scenario, practice a cold, but slightly bemused smile to kick off your Evil Monologue.

Anonymous Alexander April 05, 2015 11:04 PM  

I WILL NOT SAY! I would do my evil laugh here, but I haven't practiced it enough yet.

It's nice that you have something with cross-utility to occupy your time with until the Russians do something stupid.

Anonymous zen0 April 05, 2015 11:04 PM  

@ Cataline Sergius

Consequently gin is more appropriate.

Bombay Sapphire, one would hope.

Anonymous Alexander April 05, 2015 11:11 PM  

Scintan, everybody else.

If you do not have the time and the inclination to do the list, then do the following:

1. When you see an example, screencap it.
2. Send the screencap to rabidpuppiez @ the gmail with any additional information you wish to send

I will arrange it in a way that doesn't involve Vox having to scroll through threads and bother with it. And if everybody logs in when they see it, we won't just have 'SJW said X', we'll have 'SJW said X, Y, and Z three times apiece.'

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother April 05, 2015 11:15 PM  

I've heard if you say either Vox Day or Tom Kratman five times in front of a mirror, a red dot will appear on your chest.

Just saying...

Blogger ChicagoRefugee April 05, 2015 11:19 PM  

New drinking game: take a shot whenever you see blatant projection from a rabbit/SJW type.

Good God, man! Are you trying to kill us all with alcohol poisoning?

{narrows eyes suspiciously}

Whose side are you on anywy?

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 11:23 PM  

Ok, so a priceless blog entry for those who love the evil that is the Sad and Rabid puppies:

We've got the non-conspiracy conspiracy already in motion

Beyond the entire concept of the post, there is this gem by the author, which should be of quite a bit of interest:

Deirdre says

April 5, 2015 at 8:50 am

You might be surprised how long small block voting has been going on in Hugo nominations. In fact, I was having a conversation with a former Hugo administrator about it last night.

The thing is, it’s usually only in a category or two, and usually either not enough to add a single nominated work, or just enough to add a single nominated work.

Anonymous Mrs. Wif April 05, 2015 11:29 PM  

Ballots for 2015 Awards: 2122
Ballots for 2014 Awards: 1923
Ballots for 2013 Awards: 1343
Ballots for 2012 Awards: 1101
Ballots for 2011 Awards: 1006
Ballots for 2010 Awards: 1094
Ballots for 2009 Awards: 639
Ballots for 2008 Awards: 483

Prior to 2008 they don't compile nominating ballots, but those totals for nominating ballots are from the Hugo Awards site itself.
Just some context for the portrayal of 2122 nominating ballots as a drop in the bucket, as was the case on that dailydot article.

Feel free to copypasta and re-use as needed as a quick debunker. Dropping stuff like this into the mix is a good way to force SJWs onto different terrain and the lurkers/center/squishy middle can be persuaded this kind of quickie is relevant.

Blogger bob k. mando April 05, 2015 11:31 PM  

OT, Ars Technica shits the bed over the Ellen Pao Noah Ward verdict ... then starts modding all over the comments noting how amateurish the 'reporting' by Megan Guess has been.

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/31kqf0/ars_feminist_journalist_posts_skewed_pao_article/

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/the-only-bad-press-is-no-press-what-ellen-paos-loss-means-for-women/?comments=1&post=28800069

Anonymous Mrs. Wif April 05, 2015 11:32 PM  

Can't edit previous comment, but it looks like it's more that prior to 2008 they didn't consistently provide the nominating ballots totals as a tallied number easily snaggable. It was more random until pretty recently.

Anonymous Scintan April 05, 2015 11:32 PM  

Here's a site with a bigoted author, but I can't quote her for proof, since she's using someone else's quote as her argument:

The person being quoted in the pictures captured is obviously a bigot

Blogger Corvinus April 05, 2015 11:38 PM  

Gee did the Finnish SS make a special exception for non-Aryans like Vox and Correia?

@Bah
Actually, Finns aren't Aryan either. They're Uralics.

And what's more, they are literally experienced in fighting totalitarian commies such as SJWs.

Blogger John Wright April 05, 2015 11:39 PM  

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Blogger IM2L844 April 05, 2015 11:44 PM  

They do understand that the "No Award" strategy is not exclusively available to anti-puppy voters, don't they?

Blogger John Wright April 05, 2015 11:48 PM  

Just for the record, this quote "(That said, I haven't read his work, but I can't see why his horrifying ideas alone couldn't disqualify him from being awards-worthy.)" is not from Mr Stross. It is from a commenter on Metafilter. http://www.metafilter.com/148587/2015-Hugo-Nominees-Announced

Anonymous Boetain April 05, 2015 11:51 PM  

Congrats to Vox, Markku and the gang. Funny that your foes cannot even make up their minds whether you are inconsequential wing-nuts or a fearsome international juggernaut. Funny stuff to watch. I don't even care about sci-fi but I might have to figure out how to vote for this thing just to be a part of the fun and to help continue the beat-down on these libnerd whiners.

Keep up the great work and know that a lot of casual observers are on your side.

Blogger Cee April 05, 2015 11:53 PM  

Normally I'd consider retaliating for the SJW's Baen-phobia by using my brand spanking new Worldcon supporting membership to relentlessly "No Award" each and every Tor nominee, but that would leave me in the uncomfortable and untenable position of No Award-ing John C Wright - and that would never do!
That's all right, Tor's editing team appears to have disowned him.

Anonymous Donn April 05, 2015 11:57 PM  

Greatest Threat Ever. Greater than Count Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, pod people, and zombies combined.

Anonymous Difster April 05, 2015 11:59 PM  

Forget bathing in SJW tears, we're now waxing our boards and getting ready to surf.

Anonymous Scintan April 06, 2015 12:14 AM  

That's all right, Tor's editing team appears to have disowned him.

Mr. Wright might find their recently written words to be of great interest.

Blogger ChicagoRefugee April 06, 2015 12:37 AM  

So, are there any other Tor-ites I should consider not No Awarding? A brief palm card would be handy to avoid collateral damage.

Blogger Rek. April 06, 2015 12:45 AM  

What did I miss? Where does the Hate for Finland come from. I voted for the True Finns party at the last European elections.

Blogger Krul April 06, 2015 12:51 AM  

Where does the Hate for Finland come from.

Envy for those who can grasp the subtleties of Nordic humor.

Anonymous Randy M April 06, 2015 12:55 AM  

Anybody do a "Downfall" parody of this yet?

Blogger Werekoala1066 April 06, 2015 1:20 AM  

I just re-read a favorite of mine this week – “A World Out Of Time” by Larry Niven. Very prescient, very timely, considering how long ago it was written. Jaybee Corbell, rebelling against the all-powerful State, fast-forwarded to a post-apocalyptic time where planets were moved in service to the ultimate War between Boys and Girls. Somewhat stunning, I must say, given the GamerGate/Hugo/SJW/RPG wars we are going through. I shrugged, nodded, and moved on….

To the “City” cycle by Clifford Simak – with the burned out husks of human civilization, served by uncomprehending robots and disbelieving Dogs. I shuddered, sighed, and wonder where to go next.

If you dig deep enough – but not too deep – you find that all of this has been foreseen by the true, and not-so-secret, Masters of Science Fiction.

Anonymous beerme April 06, 2015 1:53 AM  

Where does the Hate for Finland come from.
Successfully resisting Soviet invasion.

Blogger SQT April 06, 2015 2:07 AM  

I just got banned from K. Tempest Bradford's Facebook page for daring to be a white woman who supported SP. And yes, my skin color was a big factor. Apparently in her mind being white means I'm automatically a misogynist. The woman is clearly bat-crap crazy. They're all unhinged to begin with but the SP campaign is really driving them over the edge.

Blogger Cee April 06, 2015 2:22 AM  

Mr. Wright might find their recently written words to be of great interest.

I believe he's taken note of them. I am very interested to see what eventuates next.

Anonymous Stilicho April 06, 2015 2:31 AM  

I don't deal with publishing contracts, so I dont know the answer, but it seems to me that publishers should have a contractual obligation to use their reasonable best efforts to promote their authors works. You just have to love the way Tor is promoting Wright. You can't buy that sort of publicity!

Anonymous rho April 06, 2015 2:43 AM  

Intended or not, this whole Hugo brouhaha has provided a robust list of new authors I'm interested in reading in my downtime, if I ever acquire some downtime.

I like reading subversive fiction, and the Hugos have not been noted for subversive fiction in recent years--until now, as defined by the gatekeepers of the Hugos themselves.

Blogger Danby April 06, 2015 6:42 AM  

Fictionem speculativa est in tres partes dividae.

Does anyone else see the long game Vox is playing here? Julius Caesar would recognize the tactics. They decided to go to war with him, and in the 1st round, where they could choose the battlefield (SFWA) and the terms of victory (expulsion), they beat him soundly. So he regrouped, analyzed the defeat and identified the weaknesses of his position that lead to defeat,

The basic weakness of his position was the same as Hannibal's in Italy, no SF authors were willing to risk the wrath of Patrice and Terrence Nielsen-Hayden and the other gatekeepers in the SF publishing business. Sarah Hoyt talked about the ideological shunning of the gatekeepers and the fear that authors lived in, still live in, in the publishing business.

So he routed around the problem.

1st was to identify allies among the SF writing community, meaning anyone who stood up for him in the face of the villification campaign. Those were the the most trustworthy allies he could hope to find. Second was to identify potential allies, Libertarians, conservative or traditional Christians with a strong intellect, and a strong sense of right and wrong, even Leftists who actually believe in free speech and free artistic expression.

Second was to route around the gatekeepers. That's the real purpose of Castalia house. "Tor won't publish your latest? Let me see it, I bet we could publish it, and give you a bigger portion of the proceeds as well." With CH in place, all the threats of blacklisting lose their sting. The more successful CH is, the less influence the SJWs have over SF authors.When authors figure out they can make MORE MONEY by moving to CH without having to stifle their opinions, Tor is doomed.

Third was the plan for a counter-attack. Larry had already been running SP1 as a demonstration that the Hugos had become an irrelevant popularity contest. He succeeded in that, but Vox came to him and pointed out that by leveraging the combined strength of Larry's fan base and Voxs' blog, they could easily overwhelm the coterie of 40 or 50 people who had been controlling the Hugos for decades.

To win that battle they needed more than just allies, they needed foot soldiery to spend the money and join the fight. They needed an army that the CHORFs couldn't touch in any way, who would get something out of it. they devised a two-prong recruiting effort. One headed by Brad enlisted people who were interested breaking the power of the CHORFs and rewarding really good science fiction. The other, headed by Vox, enlisted people who wanted to see Patrice Nielsen Hayden and his wife Terrence cry.

As John Wright likes to point out, authors work for the readers, not for the publishers. It was easy to forget that until recently, when the publisher stood between the author and the reader. With the dis-intermediation provided by the ebook market, that choke point has been eliminated. Now the readers can make very clear to the writers what they want. (and if you try to stand between me and Somewhither when it comes out, I will personally kill you in the face to get my hands on that book.)

So congrats Rabid Puppies, we are the mercenary troops in Vox's Gallic campaign to take back SF. Paid only in good stories and lulz.

Blogger Markku April 06, 2015 7:17 AM  

Hugos won't bring profits, is what history says.

But this outrage - THIS will bring profits. I can already see it in the visitor stats.

Blogger James Dixon April 06, 2015 7:39 AM  

> Vox wanted to show what his involvement would actually look like.

And now on top of that, the idiots want to say GamerGate is involved. They have no idea what they're asking for. The gamer community dwarfs the SF&F community. If they keep mouthing off, they'll never know what hit them.

Blogger Nate April 06, 2015 8:06 AM  

quite right. they have no idea how many millions of men and boys they have run out of sci fi with their idiotic ways.

Should even a small percentage of those millions notice and start coming back... it will look like Innsmouth.

Blogger epobirs April 06, 2015 8:06 AM  

"The anthology idea he proposed for how we might take the Nebulas sounded pretty good, actually. It hadn't occurred to me, and I don't know it it occurred to Vox. But it sounds like it could work."

Selling lots of books is the best revenge. Gaining a strong bloc within SFWA would be a secondary effect. (I just don't think SFWA has much value for business concerns in today's environment.) I wish I could remember who said it but I always got a laugh out of "The book of my enemy has been remaindered."

OpenID cailcorishev April 06, 2015 8:20 AM  

They have no idea what they're asking for. The gamer community dwarfs the SF&F community.

Not to mention there's a portion of it that's far nastier and less restrained. They make us look like a bunch of grandmas at a quilting bee. But SJWs might be just stupid enough to get them involved, thinking they'll make our side look bad, because they can't stop seeing this as a PR battle.

Blogger sysadmn April 06, 2015 8:29 AM  

Harassment and triggers. There's already a con looking at the harassment angle in general. That's an easy angle for the lefties.

Alinsky's Rules for Radicals: RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” I'll buy a membership to a con just to send the committee a letter demanding a refund because I can't attend due to the hate speech of an SJW. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander... Hmm, hopefully that phrase will piss off both the genderists and vegans.

Blogger Vox April 06, 2015 8:42 AM  

Fictionem speculativa est in tres partes dividae.

I will neither confirm nor deny any of your speculation. However, I will say that I took the false accusations that I had any responsibility for SP2, or tried to game the system in any way, as a personal insult. I am by no means that incompetent.

Anonymous Alexander April 06, 2015 8:55 AM  

You know, at the rate that their tactics continue to blow up in their faces, trying to figure out the mystery that is Finland's involvement in Castalia House is going to end up with the EU placing an embargo on Tor books.

I don't know how that happens, either. But I believe the SJW's have the power to make it happen.

Anonymous Jeanne April 06, 2015 9:00 AM  

Yeah, I though the Haydens going after the pro-Gamer Gate peeps was incredibly foolish. They are struggling immensely right now to fight on one front and they decide to open a broadside on another front against a much larger and highly dedicated force?

They must not grasp the Gamer Gate contingent or are so stupidly insular and arrogant as to think they can beat, or at the very least, hold their own against them.

Idiots.

They truly are their own worst enemy.

Blogger Markku April 06, 2015 9:02 AM  

Yeah, that'll probably happen next. "#GamerGate was involved, and they didn't even take best novel? WE'LL show them #GamerGate...

Anonymous Alexander April 06, 2015 9:18 AM  

So... next year, Halo novels sweep the entire slate of Best Novel?

Blogger Robert What? April 06, 2015 10:45 AM  

@Vox, if "freedom" means the freedom to walk around in a world where one don't hear any ideas that challenge one's own, then yes, you are a great danger to "freedom".

Blogger Danby April 06, 2015 11:12 AM  

@Vox,
"However, I will say that I took the false accusations that I had any responsibility for SP2, or tried to game the system in any way, as a personal insult. I am by no means that incompetent."

Sorry, I did not intend to imply incompetence. As I recall the timing of all the public parts of this, you are right, you got involved in SP only after Larry had used your name and Hugo eligibiity as a sort of plague-infected corpse over the wall of the citadel.

The larger point though, is that there is very obviously a Great Strategy at work. I can see it and I not a great strategic thinker. I think it's hilarious that every time they stir their Hutt-like carcasses to try to respond, you have the tiger trap set, the 2nd Marine division and Spetznatz waiting in ambush in the Warsaw ghetto, the campfires lit at Lake Trasmene. They walk right into it every time, and their tears of unfathomable sorrow are the treat that is actually drawing me into the fight.

I don't normally get involved in anybody's campaign for anything, because fuck you, that's why. But the lulz harvest is so very bountiful this year, and you're bringing me John Wright stories these clowns would never publish.

Anonymous BigGaySteve April 06, 2015 11:23 AM  

"Chris Warcraft@chriswarcraft - The only thing that Vox Day deserves to win is a trip to a society that believes what he espouses so a random person can shoot him. "

When did Vox espouse going to black/hispanic neighborhoods?

"their impotent rage is hilarious. And I absofuckinglutely love this bit of melodrama:it's only a beginning. [...] is, "what will he attack next?"

Don't forget the liberal superhero impotent rage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcXoEd8IF0g

"I've heard if you say either Vox Day ... five times in front of a mirror, a red dot will appear on your chest. "

Feather not dot.

"Among the many stories these supposedly literary idiots haven't heard must be "The Boy Who Cried Wolf." "

The Boy who cried wolf has a trigger warning because of all the liberal boys that cried when they read it.

Blogger Markku April 06, 2015 11:26 AM  

There was indeed a larger strategy, but Rabid Puppies was merely an afterthought to it. A sideshow. Everything else you got more or less right.

Blogger Markku April 06, 2015 11:30 AM  

However, it did not fail to produce lulz, and it even left an achievement unclaimed: Best novel. So, I'm pretty sure Vox is going to try to improve the score next year. Gamers are like that.

Anonymous Eric Ashley April 06, 2015 11:31 AM  

Sjws=Hitler; Gamers=Russia?

Anonymous Concerned Citizen April 06, 2015 11:43 AM  

Hey Vox,

Is this in any way against this individual's agreement with you and law enforcement?

From www.hiddeninabook.net/?p=444

"yamamanama
5 April 2015 at 12:36
And then there’s the things Vox isn’t famous for.

Like stalking a woman I’m friends with and posting her art and videos on his blog in an attempt to humiliate her."

Anonymous hygate April 06, 2015 11:48 AM  

If you see a rant with the word dominionism in it you know that person is as batshit crazy as someone explaining the reptilian/human hybrid overlord conspiracy.

My experience as a Christian has been that simply changing the time for Sunday service is a gut wrenching experience that requires multiple congregational meetings and votes. And that even after you think the matter is resolved there are people politicking behind the scenes trying to get the vote overturned.

Of course Dominionism is really just a way for leftists to lie to themselves. They aren't trying to take away Christian's civil rights. They are fighting against "CHRISTIAN OPPRESION."

Anonymous Leonidas April 06, 2015 11:51 AM  

Does anyone else see the long game Vox is playing here?

One of the things that I've learned in the last few years is that not only are very, very few people capable of playing the long game... not that many more people are capable of even seeing it.

With that said, I very much doubt that Vox/Castalia has ever had winning the Hugos as their ultimate long game goal. More of an interesting and useful play in the much longer game that is ongoing.

Blogger MidKnight April 06, 2015 11:58 AM  

@Eric

They're panicking because they've declared victory in the culture war (pending a little mop up in the gaming sector), and this kind of stuff is mortar fire from a neighborhood they thought they were done with. The shrieking question underlying all their emotion is WHY WON'T YOU PEOPLE ACT LIKE WE'VE WON?

I'd had reason to refresh my memory of this story due to another recent Vox posting, so it's fresh in my mind.

The last line from this is very appropriate:

"The Only Thing We Learn” by Cyril Kornbluth.

http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/0671698265/0671698265___7.htm

"I have been asked to make two announcements. One, a bulletin from General Sleg's force. He reports that the so-called Outland Insurrection is being brought under control and that there is no cause for alarm. Two, the gentlemen who are members of the S.O.T.C. will please report to the armory at 1375 hours—whatever that may mean—for blaster inspection. The class is dismissed."
Petulantly, he swept from the lectern and through the door.

Blogger Danby April 06, 2015 12:10 PM  

@Leonidas
With that said, I very much doubt that Vox/Castalia has ever had winning the Hugos as their ultimate long game goal. More of an interesting and useful play in the much longer game that is ongoing.

Winning a hugo, no. Vox is smart and has read a lot of SF, I'm pretty sure he's aware that he's not really deserving of a "best of" award in SF writing.
Taking away their toys and making them cry, yes. That's the current battle
Breaking their stranglehold on the genre, yes. That's the medium term strategy.
Making them more pariahs than he is yes. That's the long term strategy.
Paying them back for the disrespect, lies, and open hostility, that's the goal, as far as I can tell.

Blogger GK Chesterton April 06, 2015 12:37 PM  

A "Throne of Bones" has good characters but builds too slow. "Opera" on the other hand totally deserved the award. Especially given the competition.

Blogger Vox April 06, 2015 12:59 PM  

I very much doubt that Vox/Castalia has ever had winning the Hugos as their ultimate long game goal.

It's not. Rest assured, it is not. If I told you the long term goal, you'd laugh out loud in disbelief.

Blogger Vox April 06, 2015 1:00 PM  

Is this in any way against this individual's agreement with you and law enforcement?

No, he's free to lie about me elsewhere, at least until he crosses the line into libel.

Blogger bob k. mando April 06, 2015 1:18 PM  

Breaking the chains, winning the games, and saving Western Civilization.

Anonymous hygate April 06, 2015 1:21 PM  

Obviously, Vox's long term goal is the establishment of his particularly odious version of dominionism not only on the United States but "THE WORLD" baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j44nP2J23Jk

Blogger borderwalker April 06, 2015 1:32 PM  

They do understand that the "No Award" strategy is not exclusively available to anti-puppy voters, don't they?

That was my first thought when I saw Ancillary Sword. However, since I paid for it, I'm going to at least try to read it.

Anonymous Daniel April 06, 2015 2:38 PM  

They for one, are not welcoming their new overlords properly. I'm sure it will be forgiven or forgotten eventually...or at least as soon as they repent.

Blogger Cee April 06, 2015 3:44 PM  

So... next year, Halo novels sweep the entire slate of Best Novel?

Oof, no, please.

I think the Eric S. Nylund ones are probably competently written (I have a soft spot for some of Nylund's work, but have not read his Halo novels--I only know he's authored some), but gaming tie-ins tend to be hit and miss in the quality of author they attract.

I'm sure there's some Hugo-worthy ones out there somewhere, but I couldn't tell you for which game.

Blogger Danby April 06, 2015 3:55 PM  

@Vox
My bet would be that the long term goal, the point where Vox says "I win, bitches" would be presidency of SFWA.

Anonymous Leonidas April 06, 2015 4:18 PM  

Rest assured, it is not. If I told you the long term goal, you'd laugh out loud in disbelief.

Tom Kratman's face on the $1 bill?

Anonymous Alexander April 06, 2015 4:40 PM  

Cee,

I'm not asking whether it should be done. I'm saying that if the SJWs insist on poking the GGiant with the pointy stick, that's what is going to happen.

And if it does happen, it will be on such a scale that what you or I think will be totally irrelevant.

Blogger wrf3 April 06, 2015 5:04 PM  

This just hit SlashDot and, as of now, the overwhelming majority of highly moderated comments are pro-Sad Puppies!

Anonymous BoysMom April 06, 2015 7:32 PM  

My personal hope is that the end goal is keeping Col. Kratman's 'Caliphate' from being prophetic.

Anonymous EH April 06, 2015 8:50 PM  

1. I am saddened by Stross' nakedly antisuomic remarks. There is no place in SF for those perpetuating the long history of discrimination against Finns. So what if they basically had no written language until the 19th century? Some of my best friends are feral reindeer herders, but when a privileged crypto-Marxist calls them Nazis, that crosses the line. Doesn't he remember what happened to his Soviet coreligionists when they thought it was a good idea to mess with Finland?

2. Late in the comment thread, Stross comes out as bisexual. This brought images to mind that will take near-Finnish levels of blood alcohol to eradicate.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 07, 2015 1:35 AM  

Funny you should say that, Stg; I was just using the laser to practice trigger control with a mouse gun I just picked up.

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