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Saturday, May 16, 2015

400,000 Comments!

John Scalzi @scalzi
Sometime in the last couple of days, my site reached the 400,000 comment marker. That's, uh, a lot of comments.
400,000 comments is certainly a lot of comments. But then, you all know that since you have left 447,022 Blogger comments... since March 2012.

I keep hearing people claim these metrics don't matter, but the strange thing is that they observably were said to matter quite a bit a few years ago when media publications from Lightspeed to the New York Times were marveling at Scalzi's false claims. Not that I doubt his claims to have reached 400k comments, as based on our relative traffic, I assume his commenters were able to do in 7 years what took the commenters here only three. In fact, it was the observable discrepancy between the number of comments and his traffic claims that was the first hint that Johnny Con had a propensity for lying about the latter.

On a tangential note, since we're speaking of someone with A DEGREE IN THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE ABUSE OF LANGUAGE or whatever it was, this comment from File 770 is an amusing exercise in completely missing the point:
Anna Feruglio Dal Dan on May 15, 2015 at 1:54 am said:
This is the point at which, as somebody who has actually STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT COLLEGE LEVEL, I want to scream and cry.

Don’t get me wrong, Aristotele is a great mind. His contribution to philosophy and the history of human thought has been great, although he did stop science and logic and many other things in their tracks for several centuries – but that was not his fault, as anybody who has read The Name Of The Rose knows (yes, if you are a) Italian and b) a philosophy student, TNOTR is a fun read).

But he did not invent dialectic and what he meant by it is different from what Socrates, and Plato, and Kant, and Fichte, and Hegel, and Marx, and many others, mean by it. Kant in particular is rather scathing towards Aristotelian dialectic, saying, in short (I don’t have my copy of Critique of Pure Reason with me to check the exact quote) that the ancient Greeks thought they were so smart but they couldn’t reason their way out of a paper bag, which makes sense if you have the mind of Kant.

I suppose the most widely use of dialectic that I found is the hegelian sense: there are two opposing principles, which Hegel saw as fundamental principles of reality rather than logical propositions, and history proceeds by “finding out” that there is a third fundamental principle that makes both of them not so much false as superseded (well, history is what happens when the third principle unfolds itself, from what I understand of Hegel’s writings, but you know what I mean). This is all very abstract which is why I am not so fond of Hegel, but Marx’s idea of class struggle is a concrete example: there is a class that holds oppressive power over another, and in their interaction there arises a new state of affairs in which there is only one class that is neither the oppressive nor the oppressed one and everybody is happy.

The scientific method is also an example of dialectic, in a sense: if you want to stretch the definitions somewhat. Say that you contemplate the different models of the solar system, heliocentric and geocentric, and as a matter of fact both are valid explanation of observable facts, until Newton comes along with a better explanation that makes both of the models obsolete. (Yes, I know, gross simplification).

The history of the concept of dialectic is endlessly fascinating and stimulating. But one of the things any kind of dialectic presupposes is the ability to change, to discover the truth, or at least get endlessly closer to it.

The fact that somebody might seize on what we have left of the thoughts of a man who lived and died 2,300 years ago and think that that is the be all and end all of human thinking and call that dialectic just shows… well, a monumental lack of knowledge of the rest of the history of Western thought.
Lei non vuole gridare o piangere, invece lei vorebbe solo mostrare che l'ha una laurea in filosofia. In ogni caso, leggevo Il Nome Della Rosa tante volte, in inglese e ancora in italiano, in fatti, ho discusso quel libro due volte col stesso autore. Inoltre anch'io ho preso diversi corsi di filosofia all'universita'. Non significa nulla.

In any event, for all her very impressive philosophical book-larnin', the signorina has managed to completely miss the point. I am not ignorant of Kant or Hegel or Marx, and I am perfectly aware that what Aristotle meant by dialectic is very, very different than what later definers of the term meant by it. That's precisely why I am always careful to explain my reliance upon the Aristotelian form as opposed to the Marxian one I learned from the Marxian economists from whom I obtained my economics degree or any of the others. Instead of showing "a monumental lack of knowledge of the rest of the history of Western thought" on my part, she has demonstrated an impressive quantity of educated stupidity on her own.

What the signorina is doing is posturing in the modern fashion in which recognition of a thing is expected to pass for genuine knowledge of it. And yet, she doesn't understand Aristotelian dialectic enough to do more than regurgitate some dimly remembered things she was told about it, or recognize that I am not pretending to make any use of Aristotelian dialectic to prove anything. As it happens, I tend to prefer the Thomistic method despite its various shortcomings.

All I am doing is utilizing the Aristotelian distinction between the dialectical and rhetorical populations as a useful heuristic that reliably proves useful in distinguishing between serious critics who merit serious responses and unserious ones who merit nothing more than contemptuous dismissal and a rhetorical kick in the empty head. I leave it to the reader to determine which population Ms Dal Dan most clearly belongs.

I find it reliably amusing to see how they cling to their pose of being intellectually superior and better educated even when they observably don't understand what they're reading.

Meanwhile, Glenn Haumann, the anti-Puppy who publicly called for posting fake reviews on Amazon, suggests a way The Most Despised Man in Science Fiction could rehabilitate himself in the eyes of science fiction fandom:
(Of course, science fiction reserves the right to re-evaluate your standing if you’re ever suspected of being involved in pedophilia.)
Apparently all one needs to do is to rape a few minors, unrepentantly write about it in the most graphic terms, and one can then not unreasonably expect to be named an SFWA Grand Master or win a World Fantasy Award for Lifetime Achievement Award. From Arthur C. Clarke to Tony Alleyne, from Marion Zimmer Bradley to David Asimov,  from Walter Breen to Ed Kramer, the science fiction community is one of the biggest collections of known pedophiles outside the British Parliament.

The widespread sexual aberrancy in the SF community was one of the many reasons I wanted nothing to do with it after my one mercifully brief encounter with Sad Freakville at Minicon. You have not seen true human wreckage until you've been to a science fiction convention. I've seen physically and psychologically healthier people on reservations and in refugee camps; one can hardly blame them for being drawn to escapism.

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129 Comments:

Blogger Krul May 16, 2015 8:24 AM  

"This is the point at which, as somebody who has actually STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT COLLEGE LEVEL, I want to scream and cry."

A most philosophical response.

Blogger VD May 16, 2015 8:30 AM  

Yeah, the Stoics don't appear to have left much of an impression on her.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 16, 2015 8:38 AM  

Hey guys, it's in ALL CAPS. It's VERY IMPORTANT and TRUE.

Blogger Matt May 16, 2015 8:49 AM  

Damn thats OVER 9000

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 16, 2015 8:50 AM  

What I find interesting is that all sorts of words have been redefined by moderns. We actually have no connection to our past. When the definitions change, the culture changes. Even the term 'philosophy' has been redefined. Hegel redefined it.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 16, 2015 8:52 AM  

You know, I like, read those books too, Vox. D'ACCORDO?

One hardly has to wonder how annoying she is at a party.

Anonymous Jeromus (#360) May 16, 2015 9:00 AM  

She had me until "Aristotele".

Blogger Patrikbc #0344 May 16, 2015 9:04 AM  

I bet she still goes to rocky horror picture show every Friday.
My sister in law has a masters in philosophy, and she is a nearly retarded Sjw facebook activist type of the most irrational order. Just shows that philosophy is a thinking mans game, wasted on women "feeling" their way through life.

Anonymous Sensei May 16, 2015 9:04 AM  

She had me until "Aristotele".

Aristotelecom... to get through, you must redialectically.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 16, 2015 9:06 AM  

Jeromus,

She had me until "Aristotele".

She had me AT "Aristotele." All I could think was, what a cute, amusing, bitchy little thing. Why, she could be hours of laughter. Does she have a nice rack?

Blogger Rantor May 16, 2015 9:08 AM  

Perhaps SHE should learn that those of us with advanced degrees in politics and international relations don't like it when DAL DAN and those like her vote. Of course there are plenty that study these things and get it wrong.

In the end Dal Dan suffers from an inability to look at information in the context it is offered. Thus she remains the perpetual sophomore.

Blogger Krul May 16, 2015 9:10 AM  

"STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT COLLEGE LEVEL"

At first I thought she was a philosophy major in college, but looking at this again, I think she just took a philosophy course or two. Her cursory review of the different uses of dialectic certainly doesn't convey any in depth knowledge of the subject beyond the "Intro to Philosophy" level.

If that's the case, I STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL too.

Anonymous d12 May 16, 2015 9:13 AM  

You spend a lot of time wanting nothing to do with it.

Blogger VD May 16, 2015 9:32 AM  

You spend a lot of time wanting nothing to do with it.

How so? Reading and writing science fiction has nothing to do with the science fiction community or their freaky, sad, exercise-free lives.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 16, 2015 9:46 AM  

I think she tried, but if challenged she would most likely fall back into 100% rhetoric, a woman and a SJW after all. She should thank god for white knight conservative intellectuals then, but that is changing

Anonymous JRL May 16, 2015 9:57 AM  

although he did stop science and logic and many other things in their tracks for several centuries

He stopped them in their tracks. This of a man who is arguably the father of biology as a scientific discipline.

Anonymous The other robot May 16, 2015 9:58 AM  

The scientific method is also an example of dialectic, in a sense: if you want to stretch the definitions somewhat. Say that you contemplate the different models of the solar system, heliocentric and geocentric, and as a matter of fact both are valid explanation of observable facts, until Newton comes along with a better explanation that makes both of the models obsolete. (Yes, I know, gross simplification).

So much ignorance packed into one paragraph that it deserves an award.

Blogger Harsh May 16, 2015 10:20 AM  

as somebody who has actually STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT COLLEGE LEVEL

I'm sure that degree has open many a door for her in the exciting industries of retail sales and food service.

Blogger IM2L844 May 16, 2015 10:21 AM  

As somebody who has actually STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT THE SUPRA COLLEGIATE LEVEL, I call bullshit. Now what, biatch?

Anonymous kfg May 16, 2015 10:21 AM  

" . . . as somebody who has actually STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT COLLEGE LEVEL . . ."

. . . you can get in line with the rest of us, sugar britches. Try not to sound so retarded the next time you open your mouth.

"I don’t have my copy of Critique of Pure Reason with me to check the exact quote . . ."

Too late.

It does make me wonder, however, if you're too stupid to realize you have a machine searchable copy ready to hand, or if you're just too stupid to realize that others are smart enough to realize that.

Blogger Nate May 16, 2015 10:23 AM  

Dude... we probably hit 400,000 comments sometime in 2006

Anonymous bill May 16, 2015 10:24 AM  

"I want to scream and cry"

Weird, she wants to cry when she believes someone has misused a word.

Blogger luagha May 16, 2015 10:24 AM  


Personally, I have come around to the idea that the current My Little Pony franchise is a divinely-inspired gift so that these people have something to obsess about that isn't actual human children.

Blogger Joe Keenan May 16, 2015 10:29 AM  

When Glenn Haumann said, "(Of course, science fiction reserves the right to re-evaluate your standing if you’re ever suspected of being involved in pedophilia.), was he being sardonically dismissive of pedophilia and its victims? He seems to imply standing within a community should not be predicated on moral behavior. It appears that argument from ignorance (I'm not sure X was a child abusers, ergo no one is) is being advanced to immunize people and their behavior, from criticism. If things are as ambiguous as some claim I would think a move towards clarity, not obfuscation, is in order.

Anonymous kfg May 16, 2015 10:30 AM  

@Harsh: "I'm sure that degree has open many a door . . ."

Allow to me to translate from stupid bitchese:

"I took a course."

If it had been her major, and had she actually graduated, she would have said, "actually HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE IN PHILOSOPHY."

Blogger IrishFarmer May 16, 2015 10:41 AM  

Vox, somewhat OT but how long until we bring GG to Hollywood and Academia? This is the epic culture war showdown everyone with any sense is really waiting for. The exposure, the weeping and gnashing of teeth. It would be something to behold.

Anonymous kfg May 16, 2015 10:45 AM  

" . . . how long until we bring GG to Hollywood . . ."

Aaron Clarey has fired the shot against Fort La La Land. The game is on.

Blogger Clint May 16, 2015 10:47 AM  

as someone who NOT ONLY STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL, BUT ALSO TEACHES AT THAT LEVEL AND HAS AN OFFICE JUST DOWN THE HALL FROM THE PHILOSOPHY PROFESSORS, I am sure that my opinion on it all is not really relevant.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 16, 2015 10:49 AM  

"One hardly has to wonder how annoying she is at a party."

Smart and educated women are so important and great, don't you know?

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 10:52 AM  

This is the point at which, as somebody who has actually STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT COLLEGE LEVEL, I want to scream and cry.

So did I Sugartits. Starting at 9 years old. I read the Summa in high school. In translation, admittedly. My grasp of Latin isn't really good enough to follow Thomas' often pretty technical reasoning. I recognized Hegel as a self-worshipping dishonest punk before i got halfway through Phenomenology. Marx was a dolt who could barely reason his way out of a paper bag.

Anonymous NateM May 16, 2015 10:52 AM  

And what chinless beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards the internet to be born?

The age if men is at an end, now is the age of the Scalzi

Blogger Nate May 16, 2015 10:53 AM  

"So did I Sugartits."

its times like these when I know my time here has not been a waste...

Anonymous NateM May 16, 2015 10:56 AM  

Dude... we probably hit 400,000 comments sometime in 2006"


True, weren't all the comments before a point lost in the changeover?

Blogger VD May 16, 2015 11:00 AM  

True, weren't all the comments before a point lost in the changeover?

This is the third set. First Haloscan, then CoComment. And there are still more than McRapey's site.

Anonymous JCB May 16, 2015 11:00 AM  

I wonder if the 400k figure includes all of the comments he censors.

Blogger Krul May 16, 2015 11:02 AM  

NateM - "True, weren't all the comments before a point lost in the changeover?"

I think they were lost twice. Once with the switch from Haloscan to CoComment, and again with the switch from CoComment to... whatever this is. RobotSammiches?

Man, after all this time, I still really miss Haloscan.

Anonymous Holmwood May 16, 2015 11:04 AM  

As usual, Vox is being completely unfair to Mr. Scalzi. Mr. Scalzi has had over a million comments on his blog; 400,000 is just the remaining undeleted set that he agrees with.

PS. Fewer than 10% of those comments were left by Scalzi's dog.

Anonymous zen0 May 16, 2015 11:07 AM  

@ AFDD


Kant in particular is rather scathing towards Aristotelian dialectic, saying, in short (I don’t have my copy of Critique of Pure Reason with me to check the exact quote) that the ancient Greeks thought they were so smart but they couldn’t reason their way out of a paper bag, which makes sense if you have the mind of Kant.

She probably never read CoPR. Considering her level of exposition, she would never understand it. Obviously just regurgitating a garbled version fed to her by her SJW teacher.

It makes me want to scream and cry.

Now, from Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

Aristotle’s logic, especially his theory of the syllogism, has had an unparalleled influence on the history of Western thought. It did not always hold this position: in the Hellenistic period, Stoic logic, and in particular the work of Chrysippus, took pride of place. However, in later antiquity, following the work of Aristotelian Commentators, Aristotle’s logic became dominant, and Aristotelian logic was what was transmitted to the Arabic and the Latin medieval traditions, while the works of Chrysippus have not survived.

This unique historical position has not always contributed to the understanding of Aristotle’s logical works. Kant thought that Aristotle had discovered everything there was to know about logic, and the historian of logic Prantl drew the corollary that any logician after Aristotle who said anything new was confused, stupid, or perverse.


Yes, Kant thought Aristotle was a jerk.
Obviously.

Anonymous NateM May 16, 2015 11:17 AM  

@JabberwockySR
@scalzi Is that with or without Malleted comments?


And this from someone who appears to support his views

Anonymous ticticboom May 16, 2015 11:17 AM  

@JCB:

I doubt he'd crack six figures if they didn't.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 16, 2015 11:20 AM  

I leave it to the reader to determine which population Ms Dal Dan most clearly belongs.

If she were a male, I'd say she was a Gamma.

At any rate, this just goes to show, if you want to do philosophy, then you gotta have Game.

Anonymous NateM May 16, 2015 11:22 AM  

@scalzi
Oh, they're in there. I delete the content and leave behind an explanation of why they were Malleted.



Funny how the number of comments is so much lower in an environment where an author deletes and reframes any critical/unwelcome comments.

Anonymous Max May 16, 2015 11:25 AM  

"Aristotele"

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/rmxMk.gif

Anonymous Alexandra Erin May 16, 2015 11:31 AM  

Joe Keenan: If you want to know what Glenn Haumann was doing, I would suggest that the best thing to do would be to go read the comment in full for yourself: http://file770.com/?p=22547&cpage=1#comment-262765

Of course, if you were to do that, you might be in danger of noticing that Vox Day has completely misrepresented what Mr. Haumann said, taking part of a comment that pointed out that pedophiles are more rightly despised than Day is and spinning it to mean the exact opposite. Haumann was not telling Day how he could lose the title of "Most Despised", he was contesting his claim to it, naming both Ed Kramer and Walter Breen as being rightly more despised.

But you can read that for yourself, I suppose. I mean... assuming you don't need permission.

For those who will read the source and see the truth for themselves, I ask you to consider how it is that Day came to point at something saying one thing and claim that it said the other thing.

Is this a case of reading comprehension failure by someone with a poor grasp of both logic and communication, or merely the act of an endemic liar who knows that his faithful herd of dreadful elks will stampede in whatsoever direction he points them so long as it sufficiently plays to their prejudices?

As either explanation adequately fits the known facts, I leave determining which is the case as an exercise to the reader.

His stock excuse, of course, when caught speaking a mistruth is that it is rhetoric, and he's not saying what is true but what is the most effective persuader. That's tactics from the master wargamer, right? Do whatever works! After all, his hated foes the SJWs would do no less, right?

Heh.

Of course, he also claims that he only uses rhetoric when trying to persuade people whose minds are not amenable to reason. That is, he saves it for the fools who are susceptible only to emotion, not logic.

Ilk, who did Day employ this bit of rhetoric on? Was he using it to try to persuade those of us over at File 770 that Glenn Haumann had endorsed pedophilia... or was he using it here to persuade you?

Anonymous FP May 16, 2015 11:37 AM  

"Kant in particular is rather scathing towards Aristotelian dialectic"

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.

Blogger Krul May 16, 2015 11:47 AM  

FP - "Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable."

Nietzsche famously referred to Kant as "this catastrophic spider" for his effect on German philosophy. I rather like the nickname.

Blogger Alexander May 16, 2015 11:47 AM  

Give the little rascal a break! It's really hard to hit 400,000 when you're hovering over your comment page like a fly on shit, flop sweat running down your face as you wait to play whack-a-mole with hurtfeel comments.

Maybe one day he'll hit 451.

Anonymous FP May 16, 2015 11:47 AM  

From the 770 comment thread:

"alexvdl on May 16, 2015 at 5:03 am said:

Happyturtle,

As far as gamergate goes, a large part of that clique is if not evil, complicit in some messed up things. But I think you’re confusing “gaters are evil” with “gamers are evil”. "

Yeah, I'm sure all those articles that started gamergate titled "Gamers are dead" had nothing to do with anything at all. No sirree bub.

Blogger Beefy Levinson May 16, 2015 11:54 AM  

Well madame, I STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT THE GRADUATE LEVEL. Therefore, CHECKMATE.

Anonymous Jabari May 16, 2015 11:54 AM  

if you were to do that, you might be in danger of noticing that Vox Day has completely misrepresented what Mr. Haumann said

Yeah, because nobody _ever_ takes Vox out of context or anything...

Blogger VD May 16, 2015 11:56 AM  

Haumann was not telling Day how he could lose the title of "Most Despised", he was contesting his claim to it, naming both Ed Kramer and Walter Breen as being rightly more despised.

Ed Kramer was defended for years by Ann McCaffrey and numerous others within SFWA. Kramer is still eligible for SFWA and was not even removed from the SFWA online directory for his non-payment of dues until after I pointed out that he was still listed there in 2014. To claim that he is "despised" at all in the science fiction world is totally false.

SFWA does not despise pedophiles. SFWA honors pedophiles. SFWA is still shielding pedophiles. SFWA is still associated with pedophiles. SFWA lists pedophile estates in its directory.

For those who will read the source and see the truth for themselves, I ask you to consider how it is that Day came to point at something saying one thing and claim that it said the other thing. Is this a case of reading comprehension failure by someone with a poor grasp of both logic and communication, or merely the act of an endemic liar who knows that his faithful herd of dreadful elks will stampede in whatsoever direction he points them so long as it sufficiently plays to their prejudices?

It is a joke at the expense of you sexually aberrant train wrecks and your long and sordid history of defending pedophiles. A joke which was observably over your little rainbow-colored head.

Since you claim to be concerned about the truth, Alexandra Erin, answer this question: are you a man or are you a woman?

Blogger IM2L844 May 16, 2015 11:58 AM  

@scalzi
Oh, they're in there. I delete the content and leave behind an explanation of why they were Malleted.


Let this be a lesson to you. If the Scalzis of the world ever get control, they're not coming for your guns. They won't need to. They'll come for your ability to overtly communicate effectively while enhancing their own ability to spin historical revisionism.

Anonymous buzzcut #207 May 16, 2015 12:03 PM  

For me, the best part OF writing things in capital letters for emphasis in an OTHERWISE uncapitalized sentence, IS being able to show OFF how important the words IN all caps are. FOR instance, if I capitalize ONLY some of THE words but not others, THE people trying to read what I write can't get past WHAT I wrote in capital letters because IT sticks in their heads as the main point of the paragraph. LIKE she did with the bit about having slept through a course in philosophy IN college and managed a D out of it, then lied when MOM asked her on the phone how school was going BECAUSE Mom was paying for it and she might cut off the FUNDING then she'd have to GET a job like a commoner (ICK!) and pay for her own school. But it's LIKE what Will said in Good Will HUNTING, "How can you DROP five hundred grand on a fucking education when SOMETHING about THE LIBRARY?" Because Aristotele was a DICK.

Blogger rcocean May 16, 2015 12:04 PM  

We can accurately translate Ms. Dan's remarks as:

"Blah, Blah, Marx, Kant, Hegal, Blah, blah, I'm so superior to Vox "

Blogger rcocean May 16, 2015 12:09 PM  

Honestly, given that almost 30% of Americans have graduated from College and probably took Philosophy 101, bragging about studying "Philosophy" at College is rather weak. As for me, I found Hegal and Marx verbose and full of Bullshit and wished I hadn't wasted my time.

Blogger Nikis-Knight May 16, 2015 12:14 PM  

"Ilk, who did Day employ this bit of rhetoric on? Was he using it to try to persuade those of us over at File 770 that Glenn Haumann had endorsed pedophilia... or was he using it here to persuade you?"

It was dead obvious from the context that whoever that was wasn't saying Vox would be more liked by, say, raping his daughter for years.
Vox was juxtaposing the words with the deeds.

Blogger Salt May 16, 2015 12:14 PM  

It's hysterical. Making a statement answering itself in the process; That is, he saves it for the fools who are susceptible only to emotion, not logic.

Blogger Giuseppe May 16, 2015 12:23 PM  

Non significa nulla.

Nel caso di questa stronzetta, significa che:
1) non ha capito proprio la base della filosofia
2) non ha capito la base della logica, e quindi, insomma:
3) non ha capito un cazzo.

E questo spiega perche e' così frustrata. Non ne prende bene da anni; se non decenni.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother May 16, 2015 12:24 PM  

Is Scalzi saying 400k comments are on his blog, or is that the number of comments he has deleted?

So cornfusing!

Anonymous REG May 16, 2015 12:28 PM  

"but Marx’s idea of class struggle is a concrete example: there is a class that holds oppressive power over another, and in their interaction there arises a new state of affairs in which there is only one class that is neither the oppressive nor the oppressed one and everybody is happy."

I've never read Marx, just a few quote's presented were enough to tell me it would be a waste of time; but, didn't Marx say that we would enter a stage of "The dictatorship of the worker"
How does that compute with "new state of affairs in which there is only one class that is neither the oppressive nor the oppressed one and everybody is happy." If everyone is poor, where does 'happy' come in.

When Glenn 'whatever' oh, sorry that belongs to someone else. Glenn Haumann brought up the pedophilia as grounds for 'most despised, did he mention that the known pedophiles had been deemed unworthy of being a member of SFWA like you were. If they weren't that despised, then you already have the title. The only option they have is to extend the hand of friendship. I don't think that was quite what he had in mind. Not that you would consider taking it either.

Anonymous Tom H May 16, 2015 12:28 PM  

You should see the gal who I assume Alexandra Erin named himself after. Google Erin Alexandra there is no resemblance. One is a pretty hot redhead ant the other is a blue haired something or other.

Blogger VD May 16, 2015 12:34 PM  

E questo spiega perche e' così frustrata.

E sopratutta Lei e' probabilmente una italiana-americana che non sa niente di Italia o italiani, non parle niente italiano, ma reclama un'identita cosi. Che buffa.

Blogger Krul May 16, 2015 12:41 PM  

REG, you can read The Communist Manifesto pretty quickly online. It's a short primer on the Marxist position that you should be able to read through in maybe fifteen minutes or so.

Anonymous horsewithnonick May 16, 2015 12:41 PM  

Ilk, who did Day employ this bit of rhetoric on? Was he using it to try to persuade those of us over at File 770 that Glenn Haumann had endorsed pedophilia... or was he using it here to persuade you?

Neither, you stupid beast - he was laughing at the disconnect between Haumann's words and the behavior, over decades, of the community he is attempting to speak for, a community that has consistently declined to actually exercise this "right to reevaluate" in numerous cases of implied, alleged, and even proven cases of pedopohilia.

We pretty much all got the joke instantly - why didn't you?

Blogger Nate May 16, 2015 12:48 PM  

Alexandra Erin.. the rainbow haired sow that has written parodies projecting her own biases on the puppies.

Well..lets face it... we already knew it didn't have a sense of humor.

Blogger S.G. May 16, 2015 12:48 PM  

Vox, I think you muffed the question: Instead of saying, "Since you claim to be concerned about the truth, Alexandra Erin, answer this question: are you a man or are you a woman?"
You should say, "Of the 73 plus gender types noted in Facebook, which one are you? dryly

Blogger Krul May 16, 2015 12:49 PM  

"We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible. ..

...[I]n most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. "


-The Communist Manifesto, chapter 2

Anonymous Jill May 16, 2015 12:55 PM  

You're really going after low-hanging fruit.

Anonymous Feh May 16, 2015 12:59 PM  

They'll come for your ability to overtly communicate effectively while enhancing their own ability to spin historical revisionism.

So they'll be college professors? Great job if you can get it... but every opening has 300 applicants.

Blogger Giuseppe May 16, 2015 1:01 PM  

It is a joke at the expense of you sexually aberrant train wrecks and your long and sordid history of defending pedophiles. A joke which was observably over your little rainbow-colored head.

Since you claim to be concerned about the truth, Alexandra Erin, answer this question: are you a man or are you a woman?


Also, answer my question, asked at your site but no doubt banned: Why are you so fat?

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 1:01 PM  

Oh look, the biggest loser in the sexual sweepstakes, everybody's least favorite fuck toy, has shown up to vomit his peudo-intellectual sneering all over VP.

Isn't that nice?

Shouldn't you be out trying unsuccessfully, again, to get laid or something? Something up to your intellectual level. Maybe eating mud?

I don't really mind stupid people, I mind prancing sneering, condescending, stupid freakshows who think they're better than me.

Blogger James Dixon May 16, 2015 1:03 PM  

> So much ignorance packed into one paragraph that it deserves an award.

You're not kidding. That's not a gross simplification. It's a gross error. Hon, do us a favor and leave science to the science majors.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 16, 2015 1:04 PM  

I suppose I should thank Alexandra Erin for pointing me at the actual comment, because I was a bit confused. Vox's quote made me think Haumann - despite his contemptible call for fake reviews - was a pretty sly wit who'd just slipped a shiv in the ribs of the SJWs. But the full quote reveals he's just another lying sack of shit who ignores how beloved the pedos are by his crowd.

Of course, he mentioned Breen, but he didn't mention Zimmer Bradley. And he didn't mention the pedo-glorifying works of Delaney or Gerrold.

Blogger Giuseppe May 16, 2015 1:05 PM  

ma reclama un'identita cosi. Che buffa.
Quello che e' chiaro e che di cazzo come si deve (di qualsiasi nazionalità!) non ne ha mai visto. Se no passerebbe piu tempo a succhiare invece che a masturbare la tastiera del suo computer. La frustrazione sessuale e' palpabile.

Blogger VD May 16, 2015 1:05 PM  

You're really going after low-hanging fruit.

I would say that the fruit is going after me. I'm just scraping it off my shoe.

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 1:08 PM  

Communist manifesto was written by Engels. Das Kapital was written by Marx, and it's basically unreadable. I tried in English first. Every damn page he was sneaking some unstated assumption into the chain, or mischaracterizing other writers, history, economics, even simple logic.I thought it might be the translation I was using, so I tried in German, but that was even worse. As a philosopher, Marx is a trainwreck. There's a reason no German-speaking people has ever voluntarily gone Marxist.

Blogger Giuseppe May 16, 2015 1:08 PM  

Alexander,
Maybe one day he'll hit 451.

(golf clap) well done sir, well done. Wasted on some of the more redneck and illiterate of our brethren, but we do not judge. They have other skills. Like in judging correct windage at distance say.

Anonymous MendoScot May 16, 2015 1:10 PM  

the biggest collections of known pedophiles outside the British Parliament.

Objection, your Honour. In this context I believe it would be useful to distinguish between English and Scottish Parliamentarians.

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 1:11 PM  

@Giussepe
lol

Blogger Nate May 16, 2015 1:12 PM  

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible."

see?

Now do my comments about Marx's run-on sentences make more sense?

Anonymous Jack Amok May 16, 2015 1:19 PM  

The fact that somebody might seize on what we have left of the thoughts of a man who lived and died 2,300 years ago...

2,300 years later and we still know his name and debate his thoughts, yet Little Miss I STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT UNI is quick to condemn Vox for what she thought was basing his arguments on Aristotle's works.

Not everything that survives from antiquity is worthy of respect, but the mere fact that an idea survived that long is certainly not a negative.

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 1:21 PM  

@Nate
Part of that is Victorian era German writing style. It was considered great style to make the sentence as hard to follow from one end to the other as possible.

Of course, most of it is Marx's inability to actually form coherent thoughts.

And part of it is an artefact of his philosophical underhandedness. The more convoluted the sentences, the easier it is to slip past the lacunae, sneak in unstated redefinitions of words, and walk whistling past the unstated premises.

Blogger rcocean May 16, 2015 1:24 PM  

Scalzi mallets comments because he's not interested in giving his enemies a platform nor is he interested in a debating society. He wants a comments section for his fans and that helps reinforce his views. He's not interested in a having a jolly good debate with Right-wingers over a bottle of Port. He wants to smash the Right-wingers over the head with a bottle of Port. Figuratively, of course.

Blogger IM2L844 May 16, 2015 1:31 PM  

So they'll be college professors? Great job if you can get it... but every opening has 300 applicants.

Maybe, but the important thing is they will occupy the FCC, DOJ, SCOTUS and the federalized local public protection agencies. Freedom of Speech as long as it doesn't butt hurt the wrong class of people. Dissenters will not be tolerated.

Blogger rycamor May 16, 2015 1:41 PM  

(Reads link on David Asimov):

Last week, the younger Asimov achieved his own unwanted notoriety when Santa Rosa police arrested him after searching his home and discovering what investigators say may be the biggest child pornography collection in Sonoma County history.

"It's just a huge quantity. Believe me, there aren't enough people or enough man-hours to look at it all," said Deputy District Attorney Gary Medvigy.


...

Asimov's attorney, Chris Andrian, said the prosecution's theory of the case was both "presumptive" and probably all wrong. His client, a childless bachelor, "is a 47-year-old nerd," he said. "He's not a predator. He stays home a lot, and he's a pretty reclusive introvert."

...

Isaac Asimov, by all reports a monumentally egotistical, self-absorbed man and a compulsive writer, acknowledged as much in a 1988 interview with the Los Angeles Times.

Writing always came first in his life, he said:

"Everything else is done only occasionally and under protest. Me and my typewriter, that's all there is in the world."


So a self-absorbed narcissistic nerd fathered a son who at 47 is unmarried, has zero accomplishments in life, lives the life of "reclusive nerd", and possesses vast amounts of child porn. Let that be a lesson to fathers.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) May 16, 2015 1:45 PM  

College degree in philosophy? That's just an appeal to authority. My understanding of Kant comes from Oxford grads with advanced degrees: "Immanuel Kant was a real piss ant who was rarely sober..."

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 16, 2015 1:47 PM  

You have not seen true human wreckage until you've been to a science fiction convention.

That's why they cosplay and wear furry costumes.

the biggest collections of known pedophiles outside the British Parliament.

You must be unaware of the US Department of Education http://www.ed.gov/news/media-advisories/us-department-education-host-lgbt-youth-summit-washington-dc Of course I didn't forget Rotherham UK Moslems.

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 1:51 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_WRFJwGsbY

Blogger James Dixon May 16, 2015 1:58 PM  

> Enjoy the rest of the weekend, folks. I won't intrude on your consensus-based alternate reality again.

Promises, promises. We've heard it all before.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 16, 2015 2:09 PM  

At first I thought she was a philosophy major in college, but looking at this again, I think she just took a philosophy course or two.

Yes. While it's true that SJWs always lie, you can learn a lot from watching how they shade their lies to make them technical truths. She wants you to think of her as a philosophy expert, but if challenged, she can't be held to that according to her actual words.

Pure credentialism: I did "college" and I own some books, so I'm an expert and will now talk down to everyone.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 16, 2015 2:10 PM  

I have to give the brony credit for:

* commenting here in the first place
* speaking without profanity or obscenity
* addressing Vox respectfully as "Mr. Day"
* gesturing vaguely at responding to our criticism

This is one we might be able to save. Assuming it breaks its pledge to never come back.

Blogger Giraffe May 16, 2015 2:12 PM  

Enjoy the rest of the weekend, folks. I won't intrude on your consensus-based alternate reality again.

Translation: I know I can't win a debate in a dialectic forum, so I'm going to pretend to have already won and leave before I get my ass handed to me.

Blogger VD May 16, 2015 2:18 PM  

Answer the question, Alexandra Erin. The rules of the blog are very clear. If you do not answer questions, you do not post comments.

You've evaded it once. So, for the second time, are you a man or are you a woman?

Blogger Cail Corishev May 16, 2015 2:19 PM  

Don’t get me wrong, Aristotele is a great mind. [....] I suppose the most widely use of dialectic that I found

I know I'm a grammar pedant, and maybe English isn't her first language, so she has an excuse for typos and misused words. But I have a hard time taking philosophy criticism from someone whose sentences are as disjointed and sloppy as hers. I've only touched on the Poetics, but it was enough to know that Aristotle is hard -- a whole lot harder than English. If you can't form your thoughts into sentences that can be understood without multiple passes to parse out all the parentheticals, should I assume that you have the mental discipline to grok Aristotle?

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 2:21 PM  

* commenting here in the first place
* speaking without profanity or obscenity
* addressing Vox respectfully as "Mr. Day"
* gesturing vaguely at responding to our criticism

This is one we might be able to save. Assuming it breaks its pledge to never come back.

You've obviously not dealt with AE before.
He vomits his malodorous walls-o-text (tm) any place and every place he sees adults having a discussion, serious or otherwise. He is permanently convinced of his own superiority, so he sneers and prances while doing it. He not open to argument, he evades and ignores any attempt at actual argument, He dismisses any counter arguments without even pretending to engage. He is no more honestly attempting to argue than he is honestly female.

TL;DR, Gamma, in it's purest, least adulterated form. Sexual freakshow because he can't even attract the sexual interest of elderly gays, so he keeps the mystery going to get some of that sweet sweet tranny action.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 16, 2015 2:21 PM  

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible."

They seem to be having a little trouble with that last part. Well, that's the problem with run-on sentences, you're audience may fall asleep before the end and miss the important part.

Blogger John Wright May 16, 2015 2:24 PM  

"Aristotele is a great mind...."

And a great speller. Ἀριστοτέλης is traditionally anglicized as Aristotle, without the epsilon between the tau and the lambda. If one were to transliterate it, it would be Aristoteles, not Aristotele.

Blogger John Wright May 16, 2015 2:26 PM  

"although he did stop science and logic and many other things in their tracks for several centuries"

What a bunch of historically illiterate bullshit. I am sorry I took the time to read and respond to the first stupid sentence in this paragraph of blithering idiocy.

What happens in schools these days? Do they put tubes in the heads of the children and suck knowledge out, leaving them stupider than when they entered?

Anonymous Peter Pan May 16, 2015 2:35 PM  

Do they put tubes in the heads of the children and suck knowledge out, leaving them stupider than when they entered?

Not quite. They have to fill the vacuum with something or their skulls will collapse. There is an "in" tube and an "out" tube, and they generally flow at the same rate. The incoming "knowledge" tends to push out the existing facts the student has observed on his or her own.

Blogger P.T. Barnumium May 16, 2015 2:44 PM  

It really is pathetically obvious when SJWs slouch over from Tumblr or Making Light or whatever other bastion of self serving doublespeak they frequent. One needs only observe the percentage of time spent addressing the backwards remnant of a point they claim to be interested versus the percentage of time they spend howling at imagined arguments, seething at predicted rebuttals, wailing at non sequiturs and raging against the demented phantoms inside their own heads.

It would appear that Vox has stumbled upon a hitherto unexpected niche use of the comments section, crowd-sourced therapy for deranged SJWs who obsessively lurk until they can contain their bile no longer.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 16, 2015 2:45 PM  

"He is permanently convinced of his own superiority, so he sneers and prances while doing it."

Soft hearts don't break.

Anonymous rienzi May 16, 2015 2:54 PM  

"Dreadful Elks"? There are Rastafarian members of the BPOE commenting here? Who would've thunk it. To think I've lurked around here all these years, and never noticed. I better get some more edjamakation in filosofee.

Blogger Salt May 16, 2015 2:59 PM  

What happens in schools these days? Do they put tubes in the heads of the children and suck knowledge out, leaving them stupider than when they entered?

Perfect description of the public school system.

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 3:03 PM  

Soft hearts don't break.

yeah, they go "splat". Same with soft heads.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 16, 2015 3:16 PM  

* addressing Vox respectfully as "Mr. Day"

Eh, I read that as a passive-aggressive affectation, one step down from the ones who think it's oh-so clever to say "Mr. Beale." I wish we still lived in a society where people call each other Mister and Madame, but we don't, especially in blog comments, so it doesn't come off as natural at all to me.

Give her a few more comments and we'll see for sure, but I think I know where this one is heading.

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 3:19 PM  

@Cail
It's a Trap!

Don't call it "her"

Anonymous jack May 16, 2015 4:08 PM  

@VD This is the third set. First Haloscan, then CoComment. And there are still more than McRapey's site.

Amazing. This really is a healthy site and interesting and informative. If I spent as much time working on making a fortune as I do here no telling what the bank account would be like.

Blogger Corvinus May 16, 2015 4:24 PM  

"Aristotele is a great mind...."

And a great speller. Ἀριστοτέλης is traditionally anglicized as Aristotle, without the epsilon between the tau and the lambda. If one were to transliterate it, it would be Aristoteles, not Aristotele.


@John Wright
She used the Italian spelling of his name.

Anonymous Rob May 16, 2015 4:26 PM  

Kant in particular is rather scathing towards Aristotelian dialectic, saying, in short (I don’t have my copy of Critique of Pure Reason with me to check the exact quote) that the ancient Greeks thought they were so smart but they couldn’t reason their way out of a paper bag, which makes sense if you have the mind of Kant.


Emphasis mine:

That logic has advanced in this sure course, even from the earliest times, is apparent from the fact that, since Aristotle, it has been unable to advance a step and, thus, to all appearance has reached its completion. ... Now logic is enclosed within limits which admit of perfectly clear definition; it is a science which has for its object nothing but the exposition and proof of the formal laws of all thought, whether it be a priori or empirical, whatever be its origin or its object, and whatever the difficulties—natural or accidental—which it encounters in the human mind. ~ Preface to the Second Edition of the Critique of Pure Reason

Oh, also Kant badly misunderstands Aristotle and had, in fact, barely read him outside the works on logic. Kant actually read very few works of metaphysics, even of his contemporaries, despite presuming to critique "all" of them. Just some stuff I picked up when I STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT COLLEGE LEVEL.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 May 16, 2015 4:27 PM  

"This is the point at which, as somebody who has actually STUDIED PHILOSOPHY AT COLLEGE LEVEL, I want to scream and cry."

A most philosophical response.


Whammo

Is "Alexandria Erin" trying to get the dread ilk to side with some wanker on File 770 vs. The Dark Lord? I know rabbits are into fratricide and all that, but that's not how the evil legion of evil works. Plus the SciFi gatekeepers have been actively courting frootloops for a while now, that's how you end up with gay dinosaur revenge stories winning awards.

Anonymous jack May 16, 2015 4:40 PM  

Re: John C. Wright above.

Thank You, Sir, for your first rate mind. I lament with you that it had to descend into that gutter to refute an obvious candidate for the Darwin award.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 16, 2015 4:40 PM  

Cail: "I read that as a passive-aggressive affectation"

Yes, it was. But why does the transfag think that's a useful tool? I still read this one as being unusually close to honest.

Blogger Danby May 16, 2015 5:03 PM  

But why does the transfag think that's a useful tool?

It works where he's from.
Look, every word he publishes is an effort to make himself feel better. His walls of text are therapy for his self-esteem. Part of that is that he knows one should treat a disputant with respect. but having no actual respect for anything but his self-image, and not being capable of actual argument, he doesn't fake it very well.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 16, 2015 5:19 PM  

Vorrei parmigiano, funghi, peperoni verdi e carne macinata. Inoltre , una confezione da sei di Brio. Grazie.

A friend once told me of her Italian grandmother meeting a fellow named Stu Gates and being confused.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 16, 2015 5:29 PM  


Reading and writing science fiction has nothing to do with the science fiction community or their freaky, sad, exercise-free lives.


While I love reading, I hate crowds. I like cosplayers since it takes work to design and make costumes, not for the chubber factor (there's porn for that). Con people are so utterly unsocialized that they have to post signs now to remind people not to grope.

Then there is Dashcon, the Tumbr gathering where someone pissed in the ball pit.

Blogger Daniel May 16, 2015 6:30 PM  

I didn't know about high hanging fruits. Is that legal again, or only under sharia?

Blogger pbuxton May 16, 2015 7:59 PM  

Alexandra Erin May 16, 2015 11:31 AM

If you want to know what Glenn Haumann was doing, I would suggest that the best thing to do would be to go read the comment in full for yourself

I have. Despicable.

Haumann: Beale: “”probably”? Come on, who else is there?” Living? Ed Kramer. Deceased? Walter Breen.

Why does Mr Haumann mention Breen but not Marion Zimmer Bradley? Per her daughter:

"The first time she molested me, I was three. The last time, I was 12, and able to walk away … She was cruel and violent, as well as completely out of her mind sexually. I am not her only victim, nor were her only victims girls.... Walter [Breen] was a serial rapist with many, many, many victims (I named 22 to the cops) but Marion was far, far worse."

So, why does Mr Haumann mention Breen and not Bradley as "more despised"? Obviously, if Marion Zimmer Bradley is more despicable, she should be more despised.

Unless of course you're p*ssy-washing the female criminal clean of guilt and lumping it all on the head of the male criminal.

Haumann: See? You can’t even be the best at being despised. (Of course, science fiction reserves the right to re-evaluate your standing if you’re ever suspected of being involved in pedophilia.)

My, my. But, MZB is not "suspected" of pedophilia, not "suspected" of being worse than Walter Breen, she is accused of being worse by the star witness of Breen's successful prosecution, by her own daughter. (MZB's own son refuses to discuss the gory details.)

And Haumann chooses not to mention Bradley when talking about "suspicion."

And this is because Haumann, and thousands like him, have whitewashed Bradley and others, like that particular repeatedly-accused masher/rapist politician. Because they were useful so long as they were shielded from the punishments for their crimes. Because they felt better, knowing these awful people are protected from their victims.

Anonymous Heaviside May 16, 2015 8:08 PM  

"Inasmuch as the new true object issues from it, this dialectical movement which consciousness exercises on itself and which affects both its knowledge and its object, is precisely what is called experience [Erfahrung]. In this connection there is a moment in the process just mentioned which must be brought out more clearly, for through it a new light will be thrown on the exposition which follows. Consciousness knows something; this object is the essence or the in-itself; but it is also for consciousness the in-itself. This is where the ambiguity of this truth enters. We see that consciousness now has two objects: one is the first in-itself, the second is the being-for-consciousness of this in-itself The latter appears at first sight to be merely the reflection of consciousness into itself, i.e. what consciousness has in mind is not an object, but only its knowledge of that first object. But, as was shown previously, the first object, in being known, is altered for consciousness; it ceases to be the in-itself, and becomes something that is the in-itself only for consciousness. And this then is the True: the being-for-consciousness of this in-itself. Or, in other words, this is the essence, or the object of consciousness. This new object contains the nothingness of the first, it is what experience has made of it."

The dialectic is not a "conflict between opposites," and it is definitely not "getting endlessly closer to the truth". That is something Hegel explicitly rejected elsewhere.

Anonymous REG May 16, 2015 8:14 PM  

Thank you Krul for the link to the Communist Manifesto (Maybe). From thinking that Communism was merely foolish, though dangerous, I have been forced to the belief that communism is a "Beam me up, Scotty, there is no intelligent life here." ideology. Can anyone over the age of ten believe that drivel. Yeah, I know there are millions of them, which makes me lose faith in humanity.

Blogger Michael Maier May 16, 2015 11:22 PM  

You're an obvious dipshit. Scalzi deletes for disagreeing with ideas. Vox deletes for not following the rules of the forum. And I cannot recall any instance where he didn't bring those rules to the attention of the rule-breaker PRIOR to deleting the comments.

All this twat has to do is answer the questions before resuming posting. Drive-by trollings aren't appreciated here.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 17, 2015 2:09 AM  

Speaking as someone who does have a BA in philosophy from a top 50 college (BC), it's my considered opinion that Anna is unacquainted with Richard and is a stranger to Jack.

Anonymous Statists are so dull May 17, 2015 2:29 AM  

Marxism is systematising the child's perpetual cry of, "It's not fair!" into a political philosophy. A mature person's answer is to say, "So what?" And get on with their own life.

So, for the centralised state to exist, its participants need to be kept mentally immature and wait for mummy to make it fair. This is achieved by state schooling.

Anonymous Porphyry May 17, 2015 2:48 AM  

"but they couldn’t reason their way out of a paper bag" lol apparently not enough philosophy to not misquote a teacher that was making a pointed jest about how Kant understood material extension.

Anonymous Porphyry May 17, 2015 2:51 AM  

This is literally everything that's wrong with philosophy wrapped up in one person. what the fuck she even brought up hegel. I wonder how much it costs to strangle a person with piano wire these days.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 17, 2015 4:31 AM  

"So, for the centralised state to exist, its participants need to be kept mentally immature and wait for mummy to make it fair. This is achieved by state schooling."

Not really; it's sufficient that there be another, presumptively hostile, powerful, centralized state, though any migrating horde of barbarians will do.

Blogger Joe Keenan May 17, 2015 9:20 AM  

It is apparent to me now that the Sci-Fi/Fantasy community is massively disordered and that (surprise) this disorder is centered around sex. Sexually disordered individuals attempt to find solace in the creation of secondary worlds where their perversions are normal. Sci-Fi/Fantasy has become a means by which a disordered soul seeks comfort and normalcy. Things are so bad now, the moral compass so warped, "The Community" rises to defend (mainly via arguments from ignorance) perverts like MZB. The Bradley/Breen scandal is the 800 pound gorilla in the room. The SJW's contention that we don't know what really happened, demands that we find out.

Blogger Giuseppe May 17, 2015 1:38 PM  

Tom K,
re: Richard and Jack.
We have come to exactly identical conclusions sir, and I never even strayed into the philosophy department at any school by mistake. It seems we may, however, understand a little about reality.

Blogger borderwalker May 17, 2015 4:34 PM  

You have not seen true human wreckage until you've been to a science fiction convention.

Sadly, that has been my experience. Plus, all the petty-yet-ferocious bickering and mean-girl politicking you see in any club, small church, or academic department - only my fellow SF/F fans just aren't as good at it.

If you find yourself at a con, find out where the Baen Barflies hang. There will be a few interesting, well-adjusted people there. Occasionally one of the giants will drop by (Larry Niven showed up at the Barfly suite the one time I was there).

Blogger borderwalker May 17, 2015 4:34 PM  

You have not seen true human wreckage until you've been to a science fiction convention.

Sadly, that has been my experience. Plus, all the petty-yet-ferocious bickering and mean-girl politicking you see in any club, small church, or academic department - only my fellow SF/F fans just aren't as good at it.

If you find yourself at a con, find out where the Baen Barflies hang. There will be a few interesting, well-adjusted people there. Occasionally one of the giants will drop by (Larry Niven showed up at the Barfly suite the one time I was there).

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