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Friday, May 01, 2015

A legacy of excuses

What is the point of permitting blacks to govern themselves if whites are going to be held responsible for them anyhow?
IN the wake of the Michael Brown shooting and subsequent unrest in Ferguson, Mo., commentators noted the absence of black representatives among Ferguson’s elected officials and its police leadership. A Department of Justice report highlighted how Ferguson’s mostly white City Council and its courts spurred on explicitly racist policing, in part to harvest fines from black residents.

Then came Baltimore. The death of Freddie Gray, like those of Eric Garner, John Crawford III, Rekia Boyd and so many other unarmed African-Americans, at first seemed to fit the all-too-familiar template — white cops, black suspect, black corpse.

But unlike New York, Chicago and other cities with white leaders, Baltimore has a black mayor, a black police commissioner and a majority-black City Council. Yet the city still has one of the most stained records of police brutality in recent years.... The problem is not black culture. It is policy and politics, the very things that bind together the history of Ferguson and Baltimore and, for that matter, the rest of America.

Specifically, the problem rests on the continued profitability of racism. Freddie Gray’s exposure to lead paint as a child, his suspected participation in the drug trade, and the relative confinement of black unrest to black communities during this week’s riot are all features of a city and a country that still segregate people along racial lines, to the financial enrichment of landlords, corner store merchants and other vendors selling second-rate goods. The problem originates in a political culture that has long bound black bodies to questions of property. Yes, I’m referring to slavery.
So exposure to lead paint is why Baltimore's residents burned down their own neighborhoods? That's dancing dangerously near reality for the New York Times. But there is a kernel of truth to the claim that black culture is not to blame, in that black culture is a consequence, not a cause. Baltimore is merely the most recent result of decades of US policy flying in the face of reality. It should not come as a surprise to anyone that a population that is disproportionately aggressive and possesses shorter time preferences on average will tend to behave in a manner that is different than, for example, a predominantly Chinese population.

The more stubbornly Western public policy refuses to accept the historically observed and scientifically established fact that not all human population sub-groups are entirely equal in every way, the more those policies are guaranteed to catastrophically fail. And the longer people insist on pretending that red herrings like "the legacy of racism" or "the daily violence of poverty" are to blame, the longer those problems will persist and the more serious they will become.

The game of let's pretend doesn't help anyone, least of all those whose tender feelings it is designed to spare. Look at the sheer absurdity of the columnist's recommendations:
By avoiding the language of individual failings and degenerate culture, political leaders, black and otherwise, can help us all see the daily violence of poverty. More, they can better use the power they have to do something about it. By calling a nationwide “state of emergency” on the problem of residential segregation, by devising a fairer tax structure, by investing in public space, community policing, tenants’ rights and a government jobs program, our leaders can find a way forward.
More racial Kabuki and government spending is not going to solve anything. After 50 years of "civil rights" and "war on poverty", that should be abundantly clear by now.

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Blogger Hunsdon May 01, 2015 7:03 AM  

Why am I reminded of President Obama's comments about our Cuba policy? Something about fifty years of something not working . . .

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 01, 2015 7:06 AM  

I'm still waiting for the left to offer proof of the Blank Slate Theory. In Chicago the white and jewish left all but decapitated the black political leadership. Blacks are down to a few old senile fossils, some reverends, gang leaders and a couple of Obama types but if one were to extrapolate this trend set in motion by Daley, then Rahm and his gang they would sometime in the future meet in rough agreement with what you write.

Sailer writes that the Democratic party is the black party, but not in Chicago, there they play second string to the SJW ideologues.

Anonymous Maria Hatchback May 01, 2015 7:08 AM  

At the beginning of the so-called war on poverty we had 14% of the population living in poverty, after more than fifty years and at a cost in the trillions of dollars we have 14% of the population living in poverty.

That would prove beyond any reasonable doubt to anyone with the mind of a third grader that no amount of money funneled into any government program will ever change anything.

But you keep up with the ceaseless agitating because its starting to work in our favor now.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 01, 2015 7:15 AM  

What is the solution? Divide America into 3 or 4 separate countries, with a high wall between each? Send everyone back to "their" country?

Blogger Remo May 01, 2015 7:15 AM  

Does this commentator think about anything he says? What magic is there that hasn't been tried and failed? Why is more money (which we don't have) going to solve anything? I have to wonder if they'll ever be a tipping point will there ever be a moment when these people say "Enough is enough".

Blogger James Dixon May 01, 2015 7:17 AM  

> ...by devising a fairer tax structure,

I.e., anyone white who makes over $50K pays 100%. No black or hispanic pays anything.

> After 50 years of "civil rights" and "war on poverty", that should be abundantly clear by now.

To anyone with eyes to see, yes. Some people are willfully blind.

Blogger James Dixon May 01, 2015 7:21 AM  

> What is the solution?

To which problem? The violence or the poverty?

The violence can only be solved by removing the violent from society. The poverty is best solved with jobs. Good luck with either with the government we have now.

> Divide America into 3 or 4 separate countries

We already effectively have at least three separate populations.

Anonymous p-dawg May 01, 2015 7:23 AM  

On the one hand, the Creator says that there will always be poor people*. On the other hand, progressives say we can eliminate poverty. One of those stances has been historically true, and one not. Pick your side.

*Which doesn't mean "don't help poor people because there will always be poor people". Rather, it means that helping the poor is something we should always do, and we'll always have people to help. But concentrate on widows and orphans.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 01, 2015 7:23 AM  

"Enough is enough" yes when the lib feminine minded have to pay the consequences of their hamster brain's idiocy. As for now conservatives play the fatherly dupe who tries to square their circular logic eg; Jack Kemp's bullsnot of empowerment zones and other dirge.

As Vox wrote the other day, end residential segregation by bussing the SJW to these areas.

Anonymous joe doakes May 01, 2015 7:33 AM  

We should not give government vouchers to finance Special people renting from private landlords; that would reward investment, hard work and entrepreneurship, or, if you prefer the language of Liberals, "greed."

Instead, we should concentrate the Special people in housing built and operated by the government, where we can provide the Special people with free food, housing, medical care, transportation and cell phones, all administered with the same care and devotion to customer service found in other government agencies, such as the DMV.

We could call that housing "The Projects." Or, if you prefer the language from the legacy of slavery, "The Plantation." Yes, it all makes sense, now.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 01, 2015 7:38 AM  


"Why am I reminded of President Obama's comments about our Cuba policy? Something about fifty years of something not working . . ."

Because a fucking cunt who likes to prop up Marxist dictatorships and the US wasn't hard enough on those fuckos.

Blogger Nate May 01, 2015 7:44 AM  

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Blogger Joshua Dyal May 01, 2015 7:50 AM  

I like the call for fairer tax policies, though. Although I actually mean fair, not "fair".

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 01, 2015 7:54 AM  

What is the solution? Divide America into 3 or 4 separate countries, with a high wall between each? Send everyone back to "their" country?

Yes, that would actually go a long way towards salvaging at least some of the nations of the US.

I also like how the article unwittingly takes on the legacy of the Northern slave trade and Northern racism. Bought time some NYT polzniye duraki realizes that that was what ruined black subculture in America, not anything that happened in the South.

Blogger Salt May 01, 2015 7:56 AM  

Residential segregation. Vox is right. Move the crying leftists into Baltimore. Integrate it on a one for one basis; alternate housing. All businesses equally staffed, too. Shove it down the leftists throats, watch how much the blacks appreciate what's being done for them.

Anonymous DJF May 01, 2015 7:56 AM  

"""""to the financial enrichment of landlords, corner store merchants and other vendors selling second-rate goods. """""

I knew it, the whole problem is because those Paki convenience store owners who over charge for Slim Jims!!!!!!!!!. These same shop owner also attack Gentle Giants hands with their necks. And object when Brothers want to send a signal about the lack of opportunity in black neighborhoods by burning their store down.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 01, 2015 7:59 AM  

Specifically, the problem rests on the continued profitability of racism.

Profitability of racism.


Profitability of racism?

Is there some futures market that I am unaware of?

I'm assuming the logic goes something like this. Racisim, bad. Profit, bad. Therefore racism is the result of profits. QED

Anonymous Steve May 01, 2015 8:00 AM  

Seems pretty racist.

The NYT, I mean.

At what point will they accept black people as adult human beings with agency and responsibility for their choices?

Infantilising an entire race of people by refusing to hold them to account for their behaviour in the same way one would whites or asians is more racist than anything people on the Right are saying.

What will it take for the NYT to admit blacks are people, and not meat-puppets controlled by historical events like slavery?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey May 01, 2015 8:06 AM  

Bring back segregation and apartheid.

Blogger Matt May 01, 2015 8:07 AM  

Lead??? Nearly everyone over the age of 50 should be on a rampage.

Anonymous 0007 May 01, 2015 8:09 AM  

short version of typical times racial-screed - "...because white guilt/privilege".

Blogger Michael Maier May 01, 2015 8:12 AM  

BUT LEADED GASOLINE WAS TO BLAME!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blogger CSAFarmer May 01, 2015 8:12 AM  

From "In Defense of Looting" by Willie Osterweil, writing about Baltimore in The New Inquiry

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/in-defense-of-looting/

On a less abstract level there is a practical and tactical benefit to looting. Whenever people worry about looting, there is an implicit sense that the looter must necessarily be acting selfishly, “opportunistically,” and in excess.

But why is it bad to grab an opportunity to improve well-being, to make life better, easier, or more comfortable? Or, as Hannah Black put it on Twitter: (emphasis added by me) “Cops exist so people can’t loot ie have nice things for free so idk why it’s so confusing that people loot when they protest against cops” [sic]

Only if you believe that having nice things for free is amoral, if you believe, in short, that the current (white-supremacist, settler-colonialist) regime of property is just, can you believe that looting is amoral in itself.


So really, the rioting and looting thing is a political act against all those White Supremacists in the 7-11 stores, with the added benefit of getting 'some nice stuff for free'.

By the way, I got to this article from a link in baltimoreuprising.org, which a commenter over at Making Light referred to as "a very useful resource".

The mind, it boggles.

Blogger Matt May 01, 2015 8:12 AM  

What exactly is "time preference "?

Blogger Derrick Bonsell May 01, 2015 8:12 AM  

This nonsense is an end result of the progressive goal to eliminate any step between an individual and the government. This has been most successful amongst blacks.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell May 01, 2015 8:12 AM  

This nonsense is an end result of the progressive goal to eliminate any step between an individual and the government. This has been most successful amongst blacks.

Blogger Salt May 01, 2015 8:19 AM  

(Reuters) - Atlanta police shot and killed a handcuffed black woman on Thursday after she fired on two officers from inside a patrol car, the city's police department said.

The woman had been arrested and was in the back of the vehicle in downtown Atlanta around 5 p.m. local time, Atlanta Police Sergeant Gregory Lyon said in an email.

She then fired on the officers, who were also black, sitting in the front of the car, Lyon said. The officers returned fire. The woman was taken to a local hospital where she later died, he said.


Yeah, this is going to go over well. Handcuffed woman, in the back of a squad car no less. Where'd she get the gun?





OpenID cailcorishev May 01, 2015 8:20 AM  

What magic is there that hasn't been tried and failed?

That's the problem: there is no solution, at least not a pleasant one. There may not even be an unpleasant one. So if they allow themselves to face reality for a few minutes, they'll soon realize that, and then what? Whether you write for the NYT, WSJ, or NRO, you can't go to your editors with an article that says, "Different races can't live together in cities; we need to start moving people in large numbers and building fences." Might as well quit and save yourself the trip into the office. So your momentary trip into reality-land comes to an end, and you go back to writing about legacies and unfairness.

Segregation/repatriation are the only ideas out there that appear they could have any chance of success (at least they haven't been tried and failed, like every other idea), but those feel like admitting that the mythology of "America" is a lie. Better to keep trying to pay for enough bread and circuses than to admit that.

Anonymous Remy Sheppard May 01, 2015 8:23 AM  

"By devising a fairer tax structure" - Not only do most of these people NOT pay taxes, they actively receive the tax money of other people.

They are literally untaxed.

I don't know how much more "fair" it can get, man.

Anonymous WowJustWow May 01, 2015 8:23 AM  

A book for our times

Blogger Desiderius May 01, 2015 8:23 AM  

Steve,

"At what point will they accept black people as adult human beings with agency and responsibility for their choices?"

When they are no longer needed as props in the morality play put on by Times readers to prop up their self-esteem by comparing it to imaginary whites who are not as enlightened as those readers.

If hard equalism can be overthrown, this is not an unrealistic goal.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 01, 2015 8:24 AM  

NYT: "The problem is not black culture."

That sounds reasonable. Wiggers embrace and live the black culture, but they don't go around attacking people or burning down their own neighborhoods when a fellow wigger is killed in the commission of a crime.

The problem is not black culture; the problem is blacks.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo May 01, 2015 8:24 AM  

@Matt: A time preference refers to the willingness to invest time now for the sake of a payoff later. In colloquial terms this is called "patience". But the term itself refers to the value of investments.
People with shorter time-preferences are people who would take $1 today rather than $20 three weeks from now.
Now the same people can have different time preferences under different circumstances: if you are trying to buy a drink, $20 three weeks from now doesn't help you. But Vox is describing a *general* time preference.

Blogger 223366 May 01, 2015 8:25 AM  

Everyone seems to be missing the point. Day is saying you can't fashion and implement solutions to a problem (symptomatically illustrated by the Ferguson and Baltimore riots) until you acknowledge and understand reality.

Is the following statement objectively verifiable? "A population that is disproportionately aggressive and possesses shorter time preferences on average will tend to behave in a manner that is different than, for example, a predominantly Chinese population."

Who knows, when anyone who suggests it will instantly be attacked and smeared as a "racist"? How do you address a problem prohibited from being described, much less discussed?

Blogger David May 01, 2015 8:28 AM  

Damn you, Vox Day, for suggesting the notion that "White Men Can't Jump" is egregiously racist.

Can't someone write a nice novella about a society structured around athleticism where, except for the odd 7 foot Chinese or Swede, all of the elite look like a cross section of the NBA?

But no, people of different races can't possibly have areas where their members are, ON AVERAGE, superior to others.

Anonymous Steve May 01, 2015 8:28 AM  

CSAFarmer - By the way, I got to this article from a link in baltimoreuprising.org, which a commenter over at Making Light referred to as "a very useful resource".

Do you think we could get the 2017 WorldCon to be held in Baltimore?

That would be top quality African-American knighting.

Desiderius - When they are no longer needed as props in the morality play put on by Times readers to prop up their self-esteem by comparing it to imaginary whites who are not as enlightened as those readers.

Ah, yes. The bitter clingers.

Anonymous Clay May 01, 2015 8:30 AM  

Kinda funny. I think I know why Nate's comments were deleted.

In short, you won't see this crap happening in Mississippi. Because, we are well-armed, and not afraid to display such. It doesn't go un-noticed.

Welcome to the Real South, Nate.

Blogger 223366 May 01, 2015 8:31 AM  

Edit: "Some people seem to be missing the point." Sorry.

Anonymous cheddarman May 01, 2015 8:34 AM  

"How do you address a problem prohibited from being described, much less discussed?" - 223366

This problem will be addressed when the U.S. can no longer pay its bills, though not in a way that most people would imagine.

Anonymous cheddarman May 01, 2015 8:37 AM  

What exactly is "time preference "? people with short term time preferences tend to blow their pay checks, dont save money or acquire capital. The focus is on the here and now, not the future. Longer term time preferences involve accumulation of wealth through savings and investment, starting a business, etc.

Anonymous Mike43 May 01, 2015 8:39 AM  

Salt; many police don't have any idea to how to search properly. In Houston, we had a similar situation. Arrested, cuffed (hands in back), and in the back of a squad car. Guy had a 9mm in his rear waist band. Officer didn't find it in his search. Killed the officer, and took off.

I suspect the search was very light, because, you know, sexual assault or something.

Blogger David May 01, 2015 8:39 AM  

High time preference translates to, "I want it, and I want it NOW!" Low time preference translates to, I want it and I'm willing to plan, produce, trade and otherwise work toward getting it in a definable expected future. It is the willingness and ability to plan beyond the nearby or immediate.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 01, 2015 8:48 AM  

Mike43: "I suspect the search was very light, because, you know, sexual assault or something."

Or maybe she weighed 300+ and had the gun in a fold. Or maybe the search was light because she smelled horrible. Or maybe both.

Blogger Salt May 01, 2015 8:57 AM  

Too-Soon-ami and Mike43, the point is... she's dead, unnecessarily, at the hands of cops. Like Baltimore or Ferguson, who bothered waiting for the official determination of cause of death? Does that even matter anymore?

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 01, 2015 9:06 AM  

" 223366 May 01, 2015 8:31 AM

Edit: "Some people seem to be missing the point." Sorry."

Thanks for clarifying. I was beginning to think you were somehow so much more enlightened than the rest of us.

Blogger CSAFarmer May 01, 2015 9:08 AM  

Steve - 2017 WorldCon in Baltimore

Heh! That would be epic; I would attend, but only in a party consisting of Mr. Corriea, lCol Kratman, John Ringo, and a few of their 'little friends'

On another note, you may be aware of the Native situation in Canada. I don't think you can question they got screwed over, and a lot of Reserves have pretty horrible conditions (not all due to to the White Man, there have been cases of Band Chiefs enriching themselves and their friends at the expense of their communities).

This was confirmed to me my a young Native man who came to my farm to hold a sweat lodge ceremony (long story, very interesting event, I think of him as kind of a Christian shaman i.e. the power he called on was Jesus, and I literally saw healing take place).

Anyway, this young man and his family are the quintessential entrepreneurs; they own and operate businesses, they employ Native workers, they are actively involved in Band politics, and in negotiations with the Federal government.

They are fighting back using the political and economic system and are successful doing it; my young shaman friend literally travels the world doing business for his families companies.

Kid's harder to keep up with than the Energizer Bunny, but he's invigorating to be around. We get along because I appreciate his energy and enthusiasm, and he appreciates the 'grey hairs' I have acquired in starting businesses of my own i.e. he will listen to advice from somebody 'been there, done that'.

Contrast this with the 'smash and grab' , blame-everybody-else ideology on display in Baltimore. If this Native family, operating out of an isolated Reserve in northern Ontario, can build something like this, what is their excuse?

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 01, 2015 9:08 AM  

"Too-Soon-ami

Or maybe she weighed 300+ and had the gun in a fold. Or maybe the search was light because she smelled horrible. Or maybe both."

Take it easy, now. I'm only on my third cup of coffee.

Blogger Matt May 01, 2015 9:10 AM  

@whiteknightleo

Thanks

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 01, 2015 9:10 AM  

This why Christendom put Jews in the Ghettoes and the Old South segregated from the Negroes.

The charge of "racism" is only to guilt trip Europeans to bending over and forking even more money out to them. The Negroe is the shock troops for Jewish Messianism. It will continue. What Political Correctness is is marxism instilling Nationalism amongst minorities to tear down the oppresive hierarchical European males.

It is NOT enough to segregate from the negroe but to remove all Jews from our cultural forming institutions!!!! Complain all you want, but until the Jews are removed from our Media, from our Law, and Social Science departments, until every single Institute for Social Research are closed, you are just spinning around in circles. Jews have no business in our government, in our law departments, sitting on our judicial benches or in our media, or in Hollywood.

Who is in control of this country? Ask yourself that question folks!!! Is it the people who built this country---or is it Judiacs hell bent on "fixing this world"?

What is it going to be? Shall you love those that hate the Lord Jesus? That is the question!

If you can't solve the Jewish question---you can't solve the Negroe problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you lie down with dogs, you wake with fleas.

Anonymous ticticboom May 01, 2015 9:16 AM  

"Residential segregation."

Hmm. Here in NYC, they decided that the problem was 'poverty traps' in that people in the projects didn't have exposure to people who behave like civilized human beings. So now, by law, every neighborhood has to have a certain percentage of low income housing. The magic of geographic relocation was supposed to turn them into upstanding, productive members of society.

I'm sure you'll all be absolutely shocked to discover that the only effect was to increase the crime rates in the affected neighborhoods. Learn to work a steady job and to not rob, rape, and murder whenever the impulse hit them? Ha! It just gave them a better class of victim.

Naturally, everybody knows what a disaster it is, but nobody is willing to change the law for fear of being labeled a racist. Instead, the politically connected make sure the low income housing in their neighborhoods are for seniors only. Not too many seventy year olds pulling strong arm heists.

Working class neighborhoods, to the extent they still exist, get the worst of the scum. And if you're so bigoted to resist being robbed you have at least as much to fear from the authorities as from the criminals. Not that you can tell the difference anymore. This is not your father's NYPD.

About the only reason to call the cops is to get a police report for the insurance company. If you do manage to deal with the problem yourself, don't even think of calling, and if anyone asks, deny everything. I know a guy who's brother brother had a junkie pull a knife on him and demand his wallet. He punched the little punk hard enough that he was unconcious before he hit the concrete head first, hard enough to put him in a coma for a few weeks.

He was sentenced to twenty years. The brother, not the mugger, because he was stupid enough to call the cops. 'White man viscously assaults Hispanic youth.'

Self-defense is illegal. Interestingly, while credible death threats are not grounds for a carry permit, transporting large sums of money is. After all, it's the city's money, they're just gracious enough to let you hold it a little while. I'm seriously considering investing in a bar to exploit that little loophole.

Blogger Student in Blue May 01, 2015 9:23 AM  

That sounds reasonable. Wiggers embrace and live the black culture, but they don't go around attacking people or burning down their own neighborhoods when a fellow wigger is killed in the commission of a crime.

The problem is not black culture; the problem is blacks.


I don't know about wiggers, but "juggalos" do things like what you describe.

To be more accurate, the problem is sin. One particular race of people may be more prone to this type of behavior, but there has been no one race that was inculpable.

Blogger Robert What? May 01, 2015 9:33 AM  

Even though the polices have been an unmitigated disaster for the black underclass, they are very profitable for the bureaucracy, for rich white Liberals, and for race hustlers. So expect them to continue despite the human misery they perpetuate.

Anonymous The other robot May 01, 2015 9:41 AM  

I'm seriously considering investing in a bar to exploit that little loophole.

Why don't you just get out of NYC and NY. Once enough of the productive people leave the place has got to collapse.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 01, 2015 9:42 AM  

This thread needs levity so I give you the names Boas, Gould and Diamond

OpenID ymarsakar May 01, 2015 9:46 AM  

The lowest common denominator in the US that ties in failures of civic order is the Democrat party and later the Leftist alliance. When the Southern states were under control of the Democrats, they had every bit the same economic, anger, and vendetta driven problems as the blacks, now under Democrat ownership.

The KKK did a lot more than burn down neighborhoods that refused to obey Democrat policies.

Anonymous The other robot May 01, 2015 9:47 AM  

Yeah, this is going to go over well. Handcuffed woman, in the back of a squad car no less. Where'd she get the gun?

Nah, that's a dog bites man story. Vibrants behaving badly towards other vibrants. No one will be interested at all. Not a ripple in the force will it make.

OpenID ymarsakar May 01, 2015 9:54 AM  

Who is in control of this country? Ask yourself that question folks!!! Is it the people who built this country---or is it Judiacs hell bent on "fixing this world"?

What is it going to be? Shall you love those that hate the Lord Jesus? That is the question!

If you can't solve the Jewish question---you can't solve the Negroe problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Given my intel sources, most of the organizations and people that have your view, actually get most of their funding from George Soros. Those who know his background, will also understand who is really pulling your strings.

Anonymous jack May 01, 2015 9:57 AM  

'Devise a fairer tax structure'
I agree. I nominate 'The Fair Tax' that sales tax based system that excludes quite a few of the critical item of daily purchase such as food, medicines, etc. You get your full pay check, no deductions and if you want to keep more of it do without certain luxury items. Somewhere I've got a book on it by the congress critter that was pushing it years ago. No more IRS. This means it will never, ever be implemented. Too much power taken out of our fraud ridden leadership.

Anonymous dh May 01, 2015 10:03 AM  

more fair tax structure really just means more and more redistribution. The Federal government goes very far out of the way, but large cities like Baltimore are Federal tax sponges. They on net don't pay anything at all and on net "get back" more than they pay.

The only taxes they do pay are sales tax/vice taxes and fines when they break the law.

Blogger Jassi May 01, 2015 10:04 AM  

" Vibrants behaving badly towards other vibrants. No one will be interested at all."

Don't forget vibrants behaving badly toward non-vibrants, the elderly, gays, women, police, paramedics, taxi drivers, pizza delivery drivers, Indian shop owners, Arab shop owners, Walmart greeters, bank tellers, Chinese restaurant cooks, Chuck E Cheese employees and patrons, steak house servers, children, their own kids, their own mommas, last piece of chicken holders, kool aid recipe competitors, they main ho, they side bitch, and they own brotha.

Nobody is interested in these either.

Anonymous dh May 01, 2015 10:04 AM  

jack-- the real reason is that you can't "spend" via the tax code with a fair tax structure. The real power of the IRS is tax-code spending, which is revenue side, and doesn't require an appropriation or much transparency. All of that special favors goes away with no IRS.

Blogger Jassi May 01, 2015 10:08 AM  

"I don't know about wiggers, but "juggalos" do things like what you describe."

No they don't. Juggalos are music fans. People who go to festivals and do drugs. When you find a single neighborhood filled with them, and which is crime ridden, violent and uninhabitable, as pretty much ALL black neighborhoods are, let us know.

Blogger Poor Guy May 01, 2015 10:09 AM  

As long as the "Fair Tax" does not include the ridiculous "prebate" nonsense. The only FairTax plan I have read was still progressive, still made the "rich" pay more and still sent checks to those who didn't make enough to pay anything in. It was also "revenue neutral".

In other words, not much difference than what we have now.

Blogger Jeff Weimer May 01, 2015 10:10 AM  

The poor will always be with us, but especially so when you say 20% of America is poor and define poverty as the lowest income quintile.

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 01, 2015 10:11 AM  

Did anyone else notice that all of this writer's proposed solutions have one thing in common: more power for the central government. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, though, and if anyone proposed solutions involving greater individual freedom he'd be eager to listen.

Blogger Josh May 01, 2015 10:12 AM  

When you find a single neighborhood filled with them, and which is crime ridden, violent and uninhabitable, as pretty much ALL black neighborhoods are, let us know.

Appalachia?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 01, 2015 10:13 AM  

More levity the article Vox links to is but a few degrees different than the theme that runs thru the documentary " Red in the Face " about the Identity movement of the 80s. In short only whites have agency and understand consequences and the shame of immorality. As we have said before the last white supremacists are libtards

Anonymous The other robot May 01, 2015 10:17 AM  

Did anyone else notice that all of this writer's proposed solutions have one thing in common: more power for the central government.

I think that the NYT wants the FedGov to make it the official propaganda arm of the FedGov.

Blogger Jeff Weimer May 01, 2015 10:23 AM  

A "more fair tax structure"? What do they mean? "Fair" is a subjective description - and a moving target. I would say "fair" would be a flat percentage of income, if that's what we're talking about, a sales tax/VAT if we want to look at it from a consumption rather than production standpoint, or tax relief/EITC if we want to ease burdens on the poor.

It can be "fair" when looking at one thing in one way, but "unfair" when you change your perspective. the rich should pay more "because they can and it won't harm them as much" is "unfair" when you see that they already pay 90% of tax receipts, with much of that money as wholesale transfers to the less fortunate.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 01, 2015 10:26 AM  

jack,
A sales tax is still a tax that needs to be collected. As long as there are taxes to be collected, there will be an IRS. They'll start by shoving their hands in the asses of every business, every swap meet vendor, everyone with a yard sale, every lemonade stand, and then they'll tax you for selling your labor to your employer.

Also, and I hate to play the "senior card", but they'll be screwed even harder than they are now. With zero pct interest rates, their savings net zero income. With a sales tax replacing the income tax, they would die. What's that? An exemption for the poor and elderly? Why, whoever would administer that bureaucracy?

Blogger David May 01, 2015 10:27 AM  

Given that well over 100 million Americans (regardless of race) have zero savings, even heading directly into retirement, and a Perfect Storm of low interest rates, excessive trust in too many bonds and a stock market priced like the next 15 years will be a vertical ascent in GDP, a more redistributive tax system is a MONSTER steam roller that will flatten just about everyone below the 0.1%-ers.

All this race stuff is a sideshow. Wait until more than half the population of the country hits Irish Potato Famine levels of poverty, the BMW- and Escalade-buying upper middle class is one tiny step above that, and politicians are scrambling to find (your) wealth to redistribute in order to win the next election.

Anonymous Roundtine May 01, 2015 10:29 AM  

What do they mean?

Pretty much the opposite of whatever the definition means. Bravery= doing something for applause. Fair= tilt the world in my favor. Justice= hurting the people I don't like. Investing= spending money. Community= a place where nobody talks to each other or actively preys on each other. Jobs= getting checks. Leaders= the guy who takes the biggest slice of pie.

Blogger Chiva May 01, 2015 10:31 AM  

"a government jobs program, our leaders can find a way forward."

So to "free" these people the columnist wants them to enslave themselves to a government job?

Blogger Student in Blue May 01, 2015 10:33 AM  

@Jassi
No they don't. Juggalos are music fans. People who go to festivals and do drugs.

It's cute that you think that. There's a portion of them that, that's all they do. There's also a portion of them that are legit gangs. Which portion did you think I was referring to?

When you find a single neighborhood filled with them, and which is crime ridden, violent and uninhabitable, as pretty much ALL black neighborhoods are, let us know.

Way to jump the gun there hoss. You're trying to disprove something I wasn't even trying to argue.

Blogger David May 01, 2015 10:34 AM  

Proudhon stated that liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order. A society steeped in liberty axiomatically values self-control, production and respect of property rights.

A society steeped in political control is the opposite; in a politically dominated system, all property is at risk of crushing taxation, seizure under games like "eminent domain" or civil asset forfeiture, and an ethic of universal criminality suffuses every corner, from the Top Dog to the street corner thug.

Ironically, as a politically-structured society axiomatically creates more chaos, the urge to exercise more political control (e.g., more redistributive taxes and regulations) creates a feedback loop for more chaos. This is why the history of human societies mirrors systems governed by positive feedback....boom-bust-boom-bust.....

Baltimore was a statist's dream, full political control top to bottom. Like all such systems, regardless of the "ism" involved (communism, fascism, corporatism, etc.), the paradox is that improvement cannot come until there's nothing left to redistribute.

Anonymous Sevron May 01, 2015 10:38 AM  

The only fair tax I believe in is the one where we all pay the same amount. Not percentage, amount. I don't get any extra rights and privileges for my tens of thousands of dollars over somebody on welfare, why the fuck do I have to pay more than them?

But if we can't have fair taxes, let us grant extra rights and privileges. At $1000 tax, you get a free jay walking ticket a year. At $10,000, you get to roll through one red light or stop sign, provided no accident occurred. At $50,000, free speeding ticket, same terms and conditions. At $100,000, you get to kill one prostitute of your choice. Sound good?

Blogger Jassi May 01, 2015 10:43 AM  

Student in blue, you replied to a comment which said wiggers don't go around burning their own neighborhoods down. Your response was that juggalos do in fact engage in those exact activities.

Please, let me know which neighborhoods were burned to the ground by juggalos. Thanks.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni May 01, 2015 10:45 AM  

Black woman in the back of a police car ...

All police cars I am familiar with have a steel barrier between the front and rear seats and no door handles in the back. How did she think she was going to get out? Oh, sorry, I used the word "think" in an inappropriate context.

Blogger bob k. mando May 01, 2015 10:51 AM  

Remo May 01, 2015 7:15 AM
I have to wonder if they'll ever be a tipping point will there ever be a moment when these people say "Enough is enough".



no, there is not. because these are NOT people who will moderate their behavior by internal standards. nor do they have any respect for those not of their 'tribe'.

they will continue with these idiotic policies UNTIL those policies can no longer be paid for.

i'm including US Congressmen who increase the budget year after year after year, even though the nation is trillions in debt to foreign powers in this assessment.

Anonymous BGS May 01, 2015 10:54 AM  

Over a dozen drug arrests and he has a "suspicion" of drugs? That's like watching the Gentle Mike beat down an Asian liquor store clerk 10 min before he was shot and lamestream still saying he was doing God's work.

"anyone white who makes over $50K pays 100%." Many 3rd world savages cost most than that for their upkeep in the US. With the HIV travel ban removed we are getting savages that eat up $40k in HIV meds, in the UK gays are complaining blacks are sucking up all the HIV funds. Zero Hedge did the math and said a single mom with 3 illegitimate kids eats up $1million in 10 years. Treating drug resistant TB averages around $500k per patient but its actually $250k-1.5million depending on patient compliance, which normally gets paid by county health departments. We cant afford enough diversity if we are going to try to bring 3rd world IQs up to 1st world living standards.

Profitability of racism? Is there some futures market that I am unaware of? Short sell sneaker sellers. Jewish lightning on liquor stores.

I'm still waiting for the left to offer proof of the Blank Slate Theory. If it existed somewhere in the world there would be a school with Asian girls being stupider & more violent than black males. We cant even find one that has blacks doing better than Hispanics in anything but short distance runs.

What exactly is "time preference "? Capacity for abstract thought. A pc way of saying smart enough to understand the Golden Goose.

Blogger Jassi May 01, 2015 10:57 AM  

Not sure how relevant this thought is, but I wonder what the vibrants, destructive immigrants, and more importantly, their enablers are anticipating from white people in America.

Living in a society of well of and mostly docile whites who are willing to pay a lot of people's bills sounds ideal, but if whites are stripped of more territory, political influence and access to urban infrastructure, you're going to see a surge of the exact kind of traits you really don't want to see in whites.

In think that in their rage, jealousy and shortsightedness, many of these mostly unimportant people from elsewhere forget how brutal whites can be, and how easily we conquered them all before.

Blogger JartStar May 01, 2015 10:57 AM  

Freddie Gray's death ruled homicide. This is going to get interesting.

Blogger Azimus May 01, 2015 11:01 AM  

James Dixon May 01, 2015 7:21 AM
The poverty is best solved with jobs.


Poverty and permanent welfare are the consequences of minimum wage. Some of these folks would probably do just fine at a $5/hr job, and the work would meet their thresh-hold of abilities. But since the minimum wage is what - $7.50 now and looking to go higher, the bar rises and more and more people are no longer have the requisite skills to function. Too bad.

Blogger YIH May 01, 2015 11:02 AM  

Do I think the 'lead paint' claim is valid? Likely it did make him (more) stupid, the effects of prolonged lead exposure are well-known.
But there is a meme; ''the ghetto lottery'' and that's what this seems to be a textbook case of.
Find some evidence of lead in the blood/tissues and a trial lawyer spins it into the cause of every problem the client has or ever had - dating back to the womb. Of course, it works - how do you think the ''law firm of Dewey, Cheatem and Howe'' pays for all that advertising?
But did that lead exposure (however much it was, short of outright lead poisoning) 'cause' his lengthy rap sheet?
I also think it should be pointed out that not all of those are drug charges, yet he wasn't in the clink for even the non-drug charges.
Since we're talking charges dating back to '07 it can't be a matter of ''I don't give a fuck, 'cause I keep bailin''.
I'll put it bluntly, one of the things that distinguish humans from animals is the concept of moral agency.
I know, Whackopedia:
Moral agency is an individual's ability to make moral judgments based on some commonly held notion of right and wrong and to be held accountable for these actions.[1] A moral agent is "a being who is capable of acting with reference to right and wrong."[2]
That's why there's a different legal standard for children (and 'the developmentally disabled', such as Down's syndrome).
The notion that because they can't really comprehend what they are doing they can't have the same rights and responsibilities as those considered adults.
IMHO, the vast majority of 'blacks' are simply like most with Down's Syndrome, regardless of chronological age, they are not functionally 'adults'.
They can't have full 'rights' because they can't have full responsibility for their actions.
Does that mean as one commenter said here recently ''when those institutionalized Down's Syndrome girls have their first menses, they get put on Norplant''.
Because they can't care for themselves, they sure as heck can't care for or raise offspring.
As is plain with the vast majority of 'blacks'.

Anonymous BGS May 01, 2015 11:03 AM  

"There's also a portion of them that are legit gangs. "

White gangs outside of prison are only seen on theater screens & stages.

The poor will always be with us-- George Washington was the richest man of his day yet he got sick on bad water multiple times. One of his prize possessions was an ice cream maker yet he likely ate less ice cream during his lifetime as Laskanka on welfare ate by age 10 enjoying air conditioning & obamaphones. Our welfare recipients are rich by any black nation standards.

Here is some blank slate thinking for you. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lesbian-i-use-math-class-to-teach-young-kids-about-homosexuality-so-i-can-h
One conference attendee asked Gunn what to do about parents who do not support the LGBTQ movement, mentioning how parents once told her not to involve their child in the pro-homosexual ‘Day of Pink.’

Gunn mocked the parents for failing to realize just how extensive are pro-LGBTQ issues in the classroom and curriculum.

“And it’s not one day a year,” she said. “If you don’t want to send your kid to school on the Day of Pink, that’s OK. But they’re going to get it all the days before. They would have got it in September, and they’re going to get it after. So, one day? We’re not about one day.”

Blogger Jassi May 01, 2015 11:04 AM  

"Freddie Gray's death ruled homicide. " By one of the most corrupt metropolitan cabals in US history I'd bet. The nexus of bloods, crips, courts and police is not to be discounted when pondering this case.

Paul Kersey, The City that Bleeds documents B-more corruption well.

Blogger Chiva May 01, 2015 11:05 AM  

"Freddie Gray's death ruled homicide. This is going to get interesting"

Indeed. Even more interesting if found innocent.

Anonymous Stilicho May 01, 2015 11:06 AM  

Sailer writes that the Democratic party is the black party, but not in Chicago, there they play second string to the SJW ideologues.

Anyone who doubts the significance of mean IQ disparities among different races has only to observe how effectively the Democratic Party has convinced a supermajority of blacks to give them unwavering political support in return for living on a political, cultural, and physical plantation and and subsisting on a few comparatively meager handouts.

Blogger Quadko May 01, 2015 11:10 AM  

a city and a country that still segregate people along racial lines
1) Cities and Countries don't and can't do anything, people do things.
2) He apparently wants someone in government to tell people where they can and cannot live and that they must move - so the author believes more in slavery than freedom.

So, let's put this yahoo in charge of an area with the mandate to "fix it", and punishment (death? life in prison?) if he fails. That's facetious, of course, but responsibility is the only cure I know for this disease. But it looks like this author runs around writing such columns and hit the big time (NYT style) with this one, so maybe he's just a wannabe race hustler in waiting for his time as Sharpton.

Blogger guest May 01, 2015 11:11 AM  

In 1995, Patrick Moynihan wrote a study of the Negro American Family, noting that 25% of families were divorced, had illegitimate births and wee headed by females. If we possessed these statistics now, we would think we were dreaming. Only two decades later, and Moynihan would be drummed out of the Democrat party for racism, sexism, and any other ism that could be found to attach to him. He was considered pretty liberal in his day.

Anonymous Roundtine May 01, 2015 11:13 AM  

Proudhon stated that liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order. A society steeped in liberty axiomatically values self-control, production and respect of property rights.

Order is emergent. There's a reason why progressives have to work tirelessly to tear down society, either through violence or long-term destructive social policies. Chaos requires constant intervention because a natural system wants to return towards equilibrium. With no feedback would quickly expend all of its energy; civilization wouldn't exist if chaos was the Natural order. This is why progressives must invent new outrages and causes to fuel their destructive desires. Cthulhu always swims left, but if it ceases to swim, it dies.

Anonymous dh May 01, 2015 11:13 AM  

If anyone gets charged with a serious crime, this trial will be a real shit show. There is virtually no way to prove intent in a case like this.

Blogger Student in Blue May 01, 2015 11:23 AM  

Student in blue, you replied to a comment which said wiggers don't go around burning their own neighborhoods down. Your response was that juggalos do in fact engage in those exact activities.

Bullshit. Don't make up the words I've said - I used them for a reason.

"I don't know about wiggers, but "juggalos" do things like what you describe."

The things that were described: "[wiggers] don't go around attacking people or burning down their own neighborhoods when a fellow wigger is killed in the commission of a crime."

Burning down their neighborhood: http://www.firefightingnews.com/article.cfm?articleID=24963
Attacking people (hell, 'their own'):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yTycyZluil4J:e.standard.net/topics/gangs/2010/10/09/juggalo-killers-new-breed-gang+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Is it in response to one of them being attacked? No. That's why it's not *exact*. And in fact I did not use the word 'exact'.

Arguably it's worse that they do it without being attacked from the outside.

But either way, my intention (as the latter part of that post went on to describe) was to remind others that criminal behavior is not restricted to a race. No more, no less.

OpenID cailcorishev May 01, 2015 11:25 AM  

Nah, that's a dog bites man story. Vibrants behaving badly towards other vibrants. No one will be interested at all. Not a ripple in the force will it make.

Yeah, if I heard correctly, the cops were black. Either they failed to find her gun, or they did a bad shooting and then put a drop gun on her. So: incompetent black cops or corrupt black cops -- not a story anyone's going to want to touch either way.

Which is not to say there won't be some who riot because injustice. But we won't hear about it and the case will go away as quickly as possible.

Anonymous Musashi May 01, 2015 11:26 AM  

No matter what - this will end up being solved with steel.

Blogger JartStar May 01, 2015 11:27 AM  

dh -

Officer Caeser B. Goodson, Jr. was charged with second-degree depraved heart murder, involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, two counts of manslaughter by vehicle and misconduct in office.

Officer William G. Porter was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.

Lt. Brian W. Rice was charged with involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and false imprisonment.

Officer Edward M. Nero charged with two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and false imprisonment.

Officer Garret Miller charged with two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and false imprisonment.

Sgt. Alicia White involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.

Warrants have been issued for the officers involved in the death of Freddie Gray.

Anonymous Porky May 01, 2015 11:28 AM  

What is it going to be? Shall you love those that hate the Lord Jesus? That is the question!

Wheeler! Read yer fuckin' bible.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 01, 2015 11:35 AM  

By avoiding the language of individual failings and degenerate culture, political leaders, black and otherwise, can help us all...

...ensure more individual faiing and degenerate culture.

But it's also more of the same shuck and jive. If the individual running the institution is conservative, it's the individual's fault. If the individual is liberal, it's the institution's fault. If the institution itself was created by liberals, it's society's fault.

Anonymous Roundtine May 01, 2015 11:36 AM  

I suspect the information about the cops, put out by their friends, may not be accurate, but I also suspect the DA in this case may be overcharging, as was done in the Rodney King case.

If the trial isn't in the winter, the odds of riots in several major cities is high.

Anonymous Quartermaster May 01, 2015 11:39 AM  

"At $100,000, you get to kill one prostitute of your choice. Sound good?"

nah it would be better if you are allowed to kill 15 FedGov Senators or 100 FedGov Reps of your choice.

"Given my intel sources, most of the organizations and people that have your view, actually get most of their funding from George Soros. Those who know his background, will also understand who is really pulling your strings."

Liberal Jews, of which George Soros is a paid up member, are some of the worst people we have in our body politic. Anyone telling you about the problems liberal Jews are causing is unlikely in the extreme to have their strings pulled by Soros. More likely to have their strings pulled by Soros is someone saying the above nonsense.

Blogger YIH May 01, 2015 11:40 AM  

We saw something that is very similar to Baltimore, Ferguson, ect. a few years ago:
A man in Ohio who, for whatever reason, had a large number of dangerous wild animals. Then one day he decided to open all of the cages they were in and apply shotgun mouthwash.
YouTube and news article.
After they were seen running loose, the police went to them and shot nearly all of them.
I remember Jack Hanna being asked about it and while he was obviously quite upset, he defended what the cops did. With his experience he knew quite well what those animals were capable of and roaming loose they were a danger to the public.
In places like Baltimore, Ferguson and Detroit there are also large numbers of dangerous wild animals of African origin running loose.
Because they can't take responsibility for themselves, Whites must take responsibility for them.
Because it's inhumane to just shoot them wholesale like in the example above and very difficult to round them up and return them to their natural habitat. Plus releasing them to such a natural habitat would likely be harmful to them anyway due to their life in captivity.
I think the best that can be hoped for is containment to 'artificial habitats' such as Detroit, most of Baltimore, Ferguson, ect. walled-in.
Where they can live a semi-natural existence and cared for by a competent, professional staff.
Such as is done in zoos all over the world.

Blogger thule222 May 01, 2015 11:50 AM  

This is where I just disagree with you. I think family breakdown is a much better explanation. I understand that prior to the Great Society and its welfare programs, American blacks were thriving, developing businesses and rapidly rising. I've also read articles saying that black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean do very well. So much so that American blacks complain about having to listen to their success stories. These people are also family strong.

Broken families with absent fathers match the problem areas perfectly, while race doesn't. We also seen than whites, Asians and Hispanics from areas with a culture of broken families also do poorly. Neighborhoods dominated by single moms and absent dads produce kids who do poorly across the board. Neighborhoods with strong families and engaged fathers produce kids who thrive. And race doesn't seem to be a factor.

Blogger Jassi May 01, 2015 11:54 AM  

Student in Blue, "Don't make up the words I've said - I used them for a reason." Huh? Did I make them up, or did you use them? Can't be both.

These issues we speak of relate to quantity not quality. The egalitarian stance that one white person committing a crime is equal to 10,000 black people committing crimes makes no sense.

The effect of juggalos or wiggers moving into a neighborhood is minimal, unless of course they befriend a lot of blacks. The effect of blacks moving into a neighborhood is Detroit, Baltimore, South Chicago etc etc etc.

Crime is not restricted to race, but it is extremely unevenly distributed amongst different races.

Woopty woop, see you at the gathering.

Blogger Student in Blue May 01, 2015 12:05 PM  

"Don't make up the words I've said - I used them for a reason." Huh? Did I make them up, or did you use them? Can't be both.

I'll break it down for you, Mr. Snark. "Don't make up the words I've said - I used them (the words I've said) for a reason."

And if that's seriously the first thing you try and nitpick...

These issues we speak of relate to quantity not quality. The egalitarian stance that one white person committing a crime is equal to 10,000 black people committing crimes makes no sense.
[...]
Crime is not restricted to race, but it is extremely unevenly distributed amongst different races.


...and? Why are you addressing this at me?

Here, I'll repost the pertinent things from my previous post that you seem to have missed.

"But either way, my intention (as the latter part of that post went on to describe) was to remind others that criminal behavior is not restricted to a race. No more, no less."

also

"Way to jump the gun there hoss. You're trying to disprove something I wasn't even trying to argue."

Anonymous Porky May 01, 2015 12:11 PM  

Please leave the juggalos out of this. They are nice.

Blogger Jassi May 01, 2015 12:12 PM  

Ok Student in Blue, now that I'm thoroughly convinced that you didn't have an original point, and still have no point to make, I'll leave you to your day.

Woop Woop.

Blogger Student in Blue May 01, 2015 12:16 PM  

@Jassi
Ok Student in Blue, now that I'm thoroughly convinced that you didn't have an original point, and still have no point to make, I'll leave you to your day.

You mean since I didn't fall for your disingenuous paraphrasing and scope creep, you had no point to debate.

Still playing word games until the end, I see.

Blogger YIH May 01, 2015 12:20 PM  

James Dixon:
The poverty is best solved with jobs.
Reminds me of the morning after the 'Season's Beatings' riot in Fergidishu. I happened to catch Herman Cain's radio show. After about 20 minutes of general ranting, he blurts out ''What [the rioters] need is job training!''. Hitting the 'off' button I remarked ''Job training?'' For what jobs?!
Who in their right mind would hire them? To do what? For many jobs they literally can't be hired due to legal liability for the employer. It's why most companies have a strict ''no weapons'' policy and if, say, a pizza driver pulls out their gun even in self-defense they get canned ASAP. Because if they didn't, they'd be on the receiving end of a huge lawsuit - that likely their insurance company wouldn't cover.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 01, 2015 12:22 PM  

This is where I just disagree with you. I think family breakdown is a much better explanation. I understand that prior to the Great Society and its welfare programs, American blacks were thriving...

Do you understand what the Great Society was all about? It was about relieving Blacks of the need to conform to oppressive White standards of behavior. Prior to that, if you wanted food you needed a job, and to have a job you had to learn how to show up on time, do the work, and get along with your coworkers. And stay out of prison.

And better paying jobs went to men (White or Black) who were married and lived in a traditional "White" nuclear family.

Prior to the Great Society, Blacks were doing better because they were expected to act like Whites. When we decided that was unfair and they should be able to act however they wanted, the Black Middle Class quickly started acting like tribal barbarians.

Broken families with absent fathers match the problem areas perfectly, while race doesn't...

Except race tracks very well with broken families. You can point to a blond-haried meth-head and Thomas Sowell all you want, but they remain exceptions. Beyond that, you don't see many White politicians, even disreputable crooks, claiming White meth-heads are expressing legitimate political opinions when they rob quick-e-marts. But it's par for the course to have Black politicians make every excuse in the world for thuglife behavior from "their" people.

Left to their own devices, each group will create a very different culture. The incidence of broken homes in each culture are a consequence of the preferences each culture makes, not the driving force creating the culture.

Blogger James Dixon May 01, 2015 12:23 PM  

> Do you think we could get the 2017 WorldCon to be held in Baltimore?

Probably not. It was held there in both 83 and 98.

> Did anyone else notice that all of this writer's proposed solutions have one thing in common: more power for the central government.

Yeah, funny how that works, isn't it? One would almost think they had an ulterior motive, wouldn't one?

> Appalachia?

Now Josh, you know you're welcome to come by and visit our place anytime. It may be a mess, but it's neither crime ridden nor uninhabitable, and any violence is usually well deserved.

> ...and a stock market priced like the next 15 years will be a vertical ascent in GDP

Not really. The S&P 500 is only about 50% over what it was in 2000. That's about a 3% or so gain per year, which is less than inflation over that time. It may be overvalued, but not by as much as you seem to think.

Blogger James Dixon May 01, 2015 12:28 PM  

> After about 20 minutes of general ranting, he blurts out ''What [the rioters] need is job training!''. Hitting the 'off' button I remarked ''Job training?'' For what jobs?!

Notice I didn't say job training. :) What jobs is a whole 'nother discussion, and not appropriate for this thread.

Blogger Student in Blue May 01, 2015 12:37 PM  

Probably not. It was held there in both 83 and 98.

Aha! So we're 2 years overdue now. :)

Yeah, funny how that works, isn't it? One would almost think they had an ulterior motive, wouldn't one?

I'd say, probabilistically speaking, that it's more likely that the politicians and activists have an ulterior motive, and everyone else are useful idiots who repeat what they've been taught in school.

After all, FDR saved the US by creating the New Deal, don'tcha know?

Anonymous Curtis May 01, 2015 12:45 PM  

"...forget how brutal whites can be, and how easily we conquered them all before."

Stop stroking your crotch. But one thing is sure, GOVERNMENT can be brutal.

Anyhow, riots and blacks aside, if only whites had the balls and properly channeled. I mean, for all the libertard talk that flies around. But don't worry, whites, er government, sure can be brutal. The last time whites showed any semblance of balls, was during the second American revolution. The only problem was, the "government" was brutal, the rest were gentlemanly.

Anonymous rubberducky May 01, 2015 1:04 PM  

This is the scene I saw Monday night at a street corner in Baltimore. A group of thugs were in the middle of it building bonfires. A large line of riot police blocking off one of the streets not far away, but they weren't saying anything or doing anything. They were standing mute like a terra cotta army guarding a dead emperor. A group of looters were pouring in and out of a couple stores, wrecking them utterly. Off to the side, a group of ministers were bowing down on a knee, praying. A news crew was trying to interview everybody, but every single person present was essentially incoherent. A white SJW hipster couple was there, but everybody was doing their level best to ignore them, especially the news crew. A man showed up with a large trash can, a broom, and a dustbin, and tried to position himself always in the background of the camera's view, to be seen sweeping up. It was a very loud scene. Bonfire guys were screaming and taunting the cops profanely. Beneath them you could hear the steady and pointedly white voices of the SJW hipsters constantly chanting "racism. classism." over and over in a drone. And below them, you heard the meandering biblical tones of the pastors' prayers.

It was surreal, sad, and very incoherent. Nobody could really explain what they were doing, what they hoped to achieve, and to a man they all thought it wouldn't lead to much good anyway. Still they carried on committed to their various paths of action and inaction.

I can't really respond to any of those who are trying to tell me what it all meant, and whose to blame, etc. The whole affair was just pointless nihilism. Best thing to do is stay away from all of it. Far away.

Blogger Josh May 01, 2015 1:06 PM  

Now Josh, you know you're welcome to come by and visit our place anytime. It may be a mess, but it's neither crime ridden nor uninhabitable, and any violence is usually well deserved.

You have many rural whites in Appalachia that are essentially wards of the state, just like blacks in the r ghetto. Difference is population density and proximity to soft targets.

Blogger thule222 May 01, 2015 1:17 PM  

"Prior to the Great Society, Blacks were doing better because they were expected to act like Whites."

I don't think the whole 'if you want to eat you have to work' thing is acting white. It's in the Bible and seems to be cross cultural. The thing is, before Welfare the blacks were doing fine. They did have their own culture, a little too much emphasis on the arts and not enough on nose to the grindstone for my wasp tastes, but it worked for them. They had strong families, they worked hard and were getting rich. It was the Welfare that killed all of that.

Now they were the first to embrace Welfare, but it was aggressively marketed to them.

Anonymous FP May 01, 2015 1:17 PM  

"By calling a nationwide “state of emergency” on the problem of residential segregation,"

As a nerd, I demand that only hot chicks live around me and that they worship the ground I walk on. Otherwise its #bigotry.

OpenID cailcorishev May 01, 2015 1:26 PM  

Please leave the juggalos out of this.

When I first heard the word "juggalo," I assumed it had something to do with large-breasted women who are available for companionship. Imagine my disappointment.

Anonymous dh May 01, 2015 1:39 PM  

Read the charging documents, in MD there is a depraved indifference 2nd degree murder charge which does not require proving intent. So that's a straightforward case to make.

Blogger Marissa May 01, 2015 1:40 PM  

Now they were the first to embrace Welfare, but it was aggressively marketed to them.

If this is true, why aren't white Europeans in the same state as blacks? They have a much more massive welfare state and have had it for a slightly longer period of time.

Blogger James Dixon May 01, 2015 1:56 PM  

> You have many rural whites in Appalachia that are essentially wards of the state, just like blacks in the r ghetto. Difference is population density and proximity to soft targets.

Many, yes. Most, no. I'd say with the ghettos it's most, wouldn't you? A difference of degree, not kind, I'll admit.

Blogger Josh May 01, 2015 2:01 PM  

Many, yes. Most, no. I'd say with the ghettos it's most, wouldn't you? A difference of degree, not kind, I'll admit.

The way I look at it is that the black community is roughly two generations ahead of the white community. Look at literacy, employment, unwed mothers, etc.

So yes, a greater percentage of the ghetto is a ward of the state. But that doesn't mean that we won't see white behavior start to catch up.

Blogger Josh May 01, 2015 2:03 PM  

If this is true, why aren't white Europeans in the same state as blacks? They have a much more massive welfare state and have had it for a slightly longer period of time.

Look at the employment numbers in Europe.

Blogger thule222 May 01, 2015 2:06 PM  

"If this is true, why aren't white Europeans in the same state as blacks?"

I hadn't thought of that. Hmmm. Not convinced but I'll go think about it. Good point.

Blogger Josh May 01, 2015 2:08 PM  

http://m.phys.org/news161438364.html

Blogger Josh May 01, 2015 2:09 PM  

The percentage of births to unmarried women in the United States has been rising sharply, but it's way behind Northern European countries, a new U.S. report on births shows.

Iceland is the leader with 6 in 10 births occurring among unmarried women. About half of all births in Sweden and Norway are to unwed moms, while in the U.S., it's about 40 percent.
France, Denmark and the United Kingdom also have higher percentages than the United States, according to the report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 01, 2015 2:15 PM  

"The percentage of births to unmarried women in the United States has been rising sharply, but it's way behind Northern European countries, a new U.S. report on births shows."

So it's not the un-wed mother bit that makes the difference, must be something else....hmmm.....wtf could it be?

Maybe it's the percentage of un-wed ***** mothers....if we only knew what ***** could possibly be.......

Blogger YIH May 01, 2015 2:22 PM  

dh:
jack-- the real reason is that you can't "spend" via the tax code with a fair tax structure.
Uh, no. How do I know? I live in FL - which as many know, has no (state) income tax. About 85% of the state budget is paid for with sales tax.
Most counties tack on anywhere from 1-3 added cents above the state-only 4%. It varies from one county to the next. If you've ever been to Disney World you might have noticed that.
If you think that a sales tax (''fair tax'') can't be 'gamed' like the IRS code, keep dreaming. There are quite a few loopholes in what is (and not) covered by the sales tax.
Examples; food for your dog, taxed. food for your ostrich, not taxed. And so on.
Two or three times a year there are 'sales tax holidays' that add another list of what is/not taxed - such as 'disaster supplies' just before hurricane season (batteries, camping gear, ect) or 'back to school' (backpacks, laptops, pens, pencils, paper, ect).

Anonymous ticticboom May 01, 2015 2:24 PM  

Juggalos. There outta be a bounty.

Blogger YIH May 01, 2015 2:39 PM  

Poor Guy:
As long as the "Fair Tax" does not include the ridiculous "prebate" nonsense. The only FairTax plan I have read was still progressive, still made the "rich" pay more and still sent checks to those who didn't make enough to pay anything in.
Yup, the good 'ol Earned Income Tax Credit (an annual welfare check) with a fresh coat of paint.

Blogger SirHamster May 01, 2015 2:48 PM  

Order is emergent. There's a reason why progressives have to work tirelessly to tear down society, either through violence or long-term destructive social policies. Chaos requires constant intervention because a natural system wants to return towards equilibrium. With no feedback would quickly expend all of its energy; civilization wouldn't exist if chaos was the Natural order.

This is backwards. Chaos is the natural state of things, and order is imposed upon it.

Chaos in the forms of progressives is constantly eating away at order, and it takes constant intervention to keep them from succeeding. When chaos has sapped away the legitimacy and the will of an order to maintain itself, it collapses and is replaced by something else.

Take the computer system you're using right now to talk over a communications network. Take away the constant interventions to maintain and improve its (decentralized) order, and it will cease to be very quickly. Order is not free, but chaos is.

Blogger Marissa May 01, 2015 3:00 PM  

Josh, unemployment and unwed mothers and a massive welfare state that dwarfs what American blacks have....and still white Europeans are nowhere near as violent or stupid as American blacks. What gives?

Blogger Marissa May 01, 2015 3:02 PM  

The way I look at it is that the black community is roughly two generations ahead of the white community. Look at literacy, employment, unwed mothers, etc.

So yes, a greater percentage of the ghetto is a ward of the state. But that doesn't mean that we won't see white behavior start to catch up.


Why has Africa always been like this but not Europe? Why are Africans like this in Asian countries but not whites, like the Nigerian population in Japan?

Anonymous patrick kelly May 01, 2015 3:20 PM  

"If you think that a sales tax (''fair tax'') can't be 'gamed' like the IRS code, keep dreaming. "

Yeah but sales taxes don't require me to send in the "tax-return" anal probe every year.

I'd abolish all income and property taxes and use only state and federal sales taxes for that reason alone.

@Vox: FYI: the picture captcha rarely works properly for me . The bottom pictures and submit buttons rarely appear. I have to repeatedly try and wait for a text captcha.

Blogger James Dixon May 01, 2015 3:33 PM  

> But that doesn't mean that we won't see white behavior start to catch up.

Given enough time, yes. Sucking at the government teat is addictive, and few can resist the addiction. However, do you honestly think the system has that much time left?

Anonymous ticticboom May 01, 2015 3:52 PM  

Yeah, the system will collapse LONG before whites get to the level of dependency of blacks, simply because there won't be anyone to pay for it when too many hosts turn into parasites.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 01, 2015 4:16 PM  

Single parent in Northern Europe just means no marriage and as I understand it may not mean "one parent household" It may well be a tax dodge too, allowing the extra income given to single moms while dad is still mainly in the picture

Its still better to have marriage but a Mother and Father parenting together in this fashion seems to be functional for Northern and Western Europeans

As for the Black folks, so long as their is a mother and father at home, they can function to a degree, My neighbors are like this, the family is a mess , both parents have issues, they are poor , CPS has been to their house all that but they do make an effort and are at least somewhat functional and tolerable for neighbors .

Two strong parents can keep Black kids out of trouble however there is a rub we don't have enough evidence of lower income urban American blacks with intact families running their own communities in a non corrupt fashion to judge how well such communities run. Can they? I honestly do not know.

If they can't we have a huge problem on our hands.

Anonymous Curtis May 01, 2015 4:24 PM  

PD release of Van video of Gray beating himself up: https://youtu.be/ZuVesLttlio

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 01, 2015 4:27 PM  

ie: Juggalos, they aren't that bad and given something to do, say a nice tan shirt with a snazzy armband would be productive members of society.

Most of them are of course proof that no matter what race you need a mother and father or better and extended family or even better a clan to be at ones best.

Also re: George Washington and poverty. Yes its true modern poor people are better off than the wealthy in 1776 . That's not the real point, past a certain point poverty is relative to ones society and even having the basics does not preclude a culture of poverty. A certain need for equality is inherent to the human condition.

Its not "envy" unless taken too far nor is it mooching, Being given gifts or pay is a common expectation of loyalty . A gift deserves a gift

For stable societies generosity needs to be a primary virtue , not hoarding. Its not actually good for a community for people to sit on billions and not use them and historically its why early Scandinavian Christians , maybe influenced by Jewish mercantile thinking forbid burying treasure and it became less common to bury expensive grave goods,

However its also required that people do their part and obviously single mothers raising thugs aren't.

However the larger and more complex a society becomes the harder it is too keep running, it becomes more expensive and more brutal and that diversity tax outweighs the benefits by a long margin.

Anonymous dh May 01, 2015 4:37 PM  

YIH--

I also live in Florida, I can see Disneyworld from my office.

The tax system in Florida is amazingly more simple than that Federal tax code exactly because of the inability for "spending" in the tax code. The examples you give are not examples of spending via the tax code, they are simply more taxes being added on under cover of darkness. That's plain vanilla.

The Federal tax code is a disaster because you can do anything with it, and it never counts as spending. Cash for Clunkers, for example, cost $0. It was all done as revenue offsets through the tax code.

With no income tax, no withholding, no refunds all of that ability goes away. The real reason the left doesn't want to get rid of the IRS is because they lose their ability to push the levers of government to influence people using the traditional methods of incentives and disincentives. Everything from marriage, to promoting two-parent working households, to promoting day care over home care, to home ownership over renting are all done via tax code, and at the cost to people who pay taxes in the trillions.

Fair tax/flat tax/etc undoes 50 years of social engineering.

Anonymous daddynichol May 01, 2015 4:39 PM  

Let's begin to help the poor, disenfranchised youth, the depressed, repressed and oppressed by requiring that all recent graduates with sociology and HR degrees must live and work a minimum of 5 years in those communities. Live. In. The. Barrios and Projects. After five years, if they survive, they get 50% of the student loans forgiven. BTW, they cannot accept any government assistance during that period.

OpenID cailcorishev May 01, 2015 5:07 PM  

The idea that blacks were just fine until welfare ruined them may be mostly a myth, beloved of Republicans because it lets them blame Democrats instead of blacks themselves. Certainly things got worse in some ways, like illegitimacy and crime. But if you look at the numbers before 1960, they were already pretty bad, with blacks doing considerably worse than whites on every civilizational metric. Those Who Can See has a lot of data on this. For instance, in 1940 blacks were about 5 times more likely than whites to be in prison. In 2000, they were about 8 times more likely. Worse, but not drastically so. That site quotes sources from the early 1900s that sound very familiar, with authorities worried about urban blight, high crime, family breakdown, etc. among blacks.

So there may have been a civilized middle class among blacks -- as there is now -- but the Great Society at worst exacerbated problems that already existed.

Anonymous Down Home Town May 01, 2015 5:26 PM  

America's biggest sin and biggest mistake? The enslavement of Africans. We're still paying the price for it today. If our so-called politicians had any guts they'd eliminate EBT and welfare programs immediately and end the failed war on drugs. Just leave it up to individual states. That would go a long way to solving a lot of problems.

Anonymous Red Comet May 01, 2015 5:42 PM  

Some people, maybe most (even here), still don't get it no matter how many times Vox himself has said it: equality is a lie.

Blacks are the way they are because they have more low IQ people in their population than do other races. And it is genetic.

No amount of money or magical thinking will make this part of reality just go away.

The only way to truly fix the problem without letting it build to a nasty war is to either ship low IQ groups back to their historic homelands and contain them there or to straight up sterilize the low IQ so they pass their failure onto the future.

Blogger Harold May 01, 2015 6:13 PM  

"Broken families with absent fathers match the problem areas perfectly, while race doesn't. We also seen than whites, Asians and Hispanics from areas with a culture of broken families also do poorly. Neighborhoods dominated by single moms and absent dads produce kids who do poorly across the board. Neighborhoods with strong families and engaged fathers produce kids who thrive. And race doesn't seem to be a factor."

I live in a rural area. Average HS grad class or 80-90. And every year, year after year, the top of the class, amazingly enough, have 2 parents at home, married once, who stayed that way. And every year, year after year, the kids at the bottom of the class are from single mon homes. Of course, no one keeps official statistics on this.

And as far as official statistics go, every graduating class was, as freshmen, 10-20 students larger. And the official dropout rate the HS is zero percent. "Well, they moved somewhere else." is what I'm told when I inquire about this.

Blogger Poor Guy May 01, 2015 7:26 PM  

Sally Kohn is a sad little mentally ill marsupial. She is basically saying that blacks are right to burn their neighborhoods and that Republicans should rebuild them. At least that is what I got from her tweets.

Anonymous Hoss May 01, 2015 7:27 PM  

Read the comments in the linked article. If you can read more than 5 without throwing up in your mouth you're a better man or woman than I am. It's like we live on completely different planets.

Blogger Eric May 01, 2015 7:31 PM  

This article is just loaded with phrases that sound good but don't actually make any sense. What the hell is "the daily violence of poverty"? And what does he mean by the "profitability of racism". There's no way to connect the dots.

They just throw this shit out there without any support whatsoever.

Anonymous Hoss May 01, 2015 7:32 PM  

Oh, and I'd almost be willing to give the lefties some more skim on the marginal tax rates, with one caveat: If any leftist, for the next five years, mentions that tax rates should be higher, someone gets to just walk up behind that person and put a bullet in the back of their head. Done. Seems like a decent trade-off. And just think of how the leftists would be thinned out; because we all know that no amount of your tax money is ever enough for them.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 01, 2015 7:34 PM  

So how is the opening line not patronizing and overtly racist?

"What is the point of permitting blacks to govern themselves..."

Does nobody else find that statement paternalistic?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 01, 2015 7:41 PM  

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Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 01, 2015 7:43 PM  

I guess this statement is what bothers me. And it bothers me deeply.

"...accept the historically observed and scientifically established fact that not all human population sub-groups are entirely equal in every way..."

I'm new here, so perhaps I need to do some further reading to find out just how anybody could make such a claim as that above.

Blogger SirHamster May 01, 2015 7:51 PM  

"...accept the historically observed and scientifically established fact that not all human population sub-groups are entirely equal in every way..."

I'm new here, so perhaps I need to do some further reading to find out just how anybody could make such a claim as that above.


How many Asians do you see in the NFL, compared to other races?

How about in colleges, say in the University of California system?

If a simple summary of observable reality bothers you, the problem is with you. The problem is not with reality, nor is it with those who aim to describe it accurately.

Blogger 223366 May 01, 2015 7:57 PM  

ROUNDTIME SAID: Order is emergent. There's a reason why progressives have to work tirelessly to tear down society, either through violence or long-term destructive social policies. Chaos requires constant intervention because a natural system wants to return towards equilibrium. With no feedback would quickly expend all of its energy; civilization wouldn't exist if chaos was the Natural order.

SIRHAMSTER SAID: This is backwards. Chaos is the natural state of things, and order is imposed upon it.

Roundtime is right. What he's describing is the free interaction of free human beings of a certain type. If you read Toqueville's Democracy in America, you'll see that he and his traveling buddy couldn't believe how the American civilization was naturally emerging. As Karl Hess once said, "That's easy, we got the best people." I.e. people who wouldn't put up with Old World feudalism, statism, and class system bullshit. Special people. Mostly gone now.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 01, 2015 8:00 PM  

@SirHamster

Are we talking big picture ("races are not equal in potential") or are we talking small picture ("races have a diversity of cultural forces")?

Take a census of NFL players now, and use a time machine to grab a random sample from a few decades back. Would the old players be able to make the team in the current day? And if there's a difference, then are the players from the past inferior? Scientifically established to be unequal?

I'm just asking questions, and spurring dialogue, so not sure why you want to jump so quickly to statements like "the problem is with you".

OpenID cailcorishev May 01, 2015 8:04 PM  

Owen, do you think the two sub-groups Japanese and Swedes are equal in height? Do you think Africans and Europeans are equal in their ability to tolerate lactose? Are Irish and Indians equal in their tendency to sunburn?

Just look around and you'll see countless examples. It's only to be expected; when you separate animals into different groups which inbreed over time in different conditions, they develop different traits. Livestock farmers have known that for centuries. The fact that it bothers you to hear it stated just shows how comprehensively the PC campaign to shout down this obvious bit of truth has been.

Blogger SirHamster May 01, 2015 8:07 PM  

Roundtime is right. What he's describing is the free interaction of free human beings of a certain type.

Why'd you limit yourself to human beings "of a certain type"? That's a way for you to sneak in a force for order, while claiming that order is the natural state of things.

Feral youth - why aren't they creating civilization? They were not civilized; so their passions were not channeled into productive pursuits.

Why don't blank slate movements create awesome new civilizations? They shouldn't be handicapped if order is a natural emergent property of humanity.

Humans need to be civilized. Humans need to be taught a connection to their history; to honor their father and mother, and all those before them. They need a law not of themselves.

I.e. people who wouldn't put up with Old World feudalism, statism, and class system bullshit. Special people. Mostly gone now.

You've shot down your own thesis quite well without my help. If Order is an emergent of humanity, it would not need a special type of people to nurture it.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 01, 2015 8:09 PM  

Thanks for responding, but isn't that a bit obvious and oversimplistic? The bell-shaped curve for heights of Japanese will indeed be different than the bell-shaped curve for Swedes. There will be outliers in each group, but yes, overall they will not be equal.

But the measure of a human is not something that you can simplify to the point of such trivial measures. In different packages, but still fully human. The statement bothers me because I see it as taking away humanity. If that's not your intention, then I misunderstood.

Blogger SirHamster May 01, 2015 8:12 PM  

@Owen:

Are we talking big picture ("races are not equal in potential") or are we talking small picture ("races have a diversity of cultural forces")?

Doesn't matter. The statement said "... not equal in every way".

Pointing out just one way in which human beings are not equal is sufficient to demonstrate the plain truth of the statement.

Do you have a problem when people point out that cats are not equal in every way? That some are wild, some are domesticated, some are black, some are white, some are ... ?


I'm just asking questions, and spurring dialogue, so not sure why you want to jump so quickly to statements like "the problem is with you".

You said you were bothered by that simple truth statement. That's a problem because it means you are unequipped to handle reality. Best get started.

Do you get bothered that the sky is blue? Because getting bothered by that would be just as much of a handicap.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 01, 2015 8:16 PM  

@SirHamster

Point made. The article did state "equal in every way". Obviously, if my mustache has even one less hair than another's mustache, we cannot be equal.

So how could my strange mustache provide grounds for a viewpoint that tries to use that difference for a political agenda?

Blogger SirHamster May 01, 2015 8:25 PM  

@Owen
Point made. The article did state "equal in every way". Obviously, if my mustache has even one less hair than another's mustache, we cannot be equal.

So how could my strange mustache provide grounds for a viewpoint that tries to use that difference for a political agenda?


NFL and UC representation are more than a matter of strange mustaches.

I don't know why you would build a political agenda based on a mustache. But if that's your cup of tea ....

OpenID cailcorishev May 01, 2015 8:25 PM  

Owen, yes, you misunderstood. There's a difference between one's physical and mental attributes and one's value as a human being. To put it another way, your productivity does not determine your humanity.

Leftists don't believe that -- hence their desire to abort imperfect babies and put down the elderly and infirm -- but we do. If a particular sub-group of humans is not particularly good at being civilized, that doesn't mean they are less human, it just means they are less civilized. Recognizing that they are fully human doesn't require that we pretend they have the same abilities as everyone else.

I used obvious examples because you said you couldn't believe the statement was true, and those examples make it unassailable, so that's dealt with. If I'd used less "simplistic" examples like IQ differences, you could have claimed the tests are flawed or racism or whatever old canard and we'd have to bat that around for a while. No thanks.

Of course, the mental differences are the ones that really bother people and make it necessary to pretend no differences exist at all. But if two sub-groups live apart long enough under different enough stimuli to develop those obvious physical differences, it stands to reason that they would have developed mental differences as well. But that makes people feel bad because THEY think smarter = better.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 01, 2015 9:11 PM  

It is not just about IQ. It is also the spiritual characteristic of a people. The Greeks and the Romans both had high IQs but they were far different people. The Greeks went out of their way to imitate beauty. The Romans could care less. They were very pragmatic.

The Negroe race as a whole is emotional and with less self-control. On the other hand the Japanese have a lot of self-control. There is more to race than just IQ.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 01, 2015 10:20 PM  

@cailcorishev
I do appreciate the tone of your responses and your willingness to explain. Please don't think I'm attacking you personally when I repeat that I'm really having trouble with this. I honestly find it abhorrent to talk about sub-groups of people that are not civilized.

I'm totally willing to talk to you on a case-by-case basis as to which individual is uncivilized. But as soon as you generalize beyond the individual and speak about a group that is uncivilized, or a group that has a lower IQ, then I'm quite honestly repulsed.

So two possibilities exist: I'm either programmed to think differently, or there is something fundamentally uncivilized about these ideas. Could it be that I'm simply rationalizing a pragmatic way to avoid the horrors of Supremacist ideas? If you're ready to label one group as less civilized than another, then you're also measuring the worth of that group of people, and deciding as to how far you're willing to go in "managing" that group's affairs, and these ideas are very repugnant to me.

I'm not judging you, or bashing you, but I am very disturbed by the ideas.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 02, 2015 12:48 AM  

I don't think the whole 'if you want to eat you have to work' thing is acting white.

But it's the truth none the less, regadless of whether you think it is or not. Though if you'd rather make it "acting not-Black" instead of "White" that's fine.

Regardless, look around at any polity where Blacks hold political power. Can you name one that is prosperous? That has been prosperous within recorded history?

Blogger Harold May 02, 2015 12:50 AM  

'Regardless, look around at any polity where Blacks hold political power. Can you name one that is prosperous? That has been prosperous within recorded history?'

No.

Blogger Wow Justwow May 02, 2015 12:50 AM  

"The late Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. had a dream: a world where men would be judged by content of character rather than by color of skin.

"It was, perhaps, a noble dream. Certainly it inspired the people of the world. And, for a few lovely months back during those days of hope and change, it even seemed like a dream that could come true.

"But reality seldom lives up to any dream. And the reality of today is that the Dream has become a nightmare.

"Once upon a time America was a clean, safe, basically happy place to live and work. Once upon a time in America kids could play outside all day and walk to school and roam the neighborhood on their bikes without fear of harm. Once upon a time in America a family could go to a movie or a concert or a shopping mall without the slightest thought for their safety. Once upon a time in America a person could leave his or her house and car unlocked day and night without a care. Once upon a time in America people could walk the streets of their city day and night without fear of being roughed up, robbed, or raped by a gang of street thugs.

"We can’t do any of those things any more.

"Why?

"The answer is simple...."

Robert S. Oculus III, The White Book

Anonymous Discard May 02, 2015 1:37 AM  

Owen T. Oloren: Google "Black IQ", for start. The races vary in their average mental capacities. Maybe not less human, but Blacks are clearly less smart. Consequences flow from that fact.

Blogger Harold May 02, 2015 1:43 AM  

"I'm totally willing to talk to you on a case-by-case basis as to which individual is uncivilized. But as soon as you generalize beyond the individual and speak about a group that is uncivilized, or a group that has a lower IQ, then I'm quite honestly repulsed."


And therein lies a great problem. You CAN divide people into into different groups based on racial characteristics, and come up with measureable differences. Netherlanders are as caucasian as the rest of Europe, with much the same diet now as the rest of Europe. And scientists are busy trying to figure out why, on average, Netherlanders are taller then other Europeans. The recent articles tell how they used to be shorter. But, a few centuries ago, when the Netherlands had good crops compared to the rest of Europe- they were taller then. Don't know why the recent articles don't point that out...

West Africans dominate sprints. East Africans dominate long distance races. Asians outscore other ethnic groups on IQ tests. Blacks score lower. All facts, that really cannot be disputed. The information is public, out there, and readily available.

The U.S. and the U.S. Constitution are based on INDIVIDUAL rights, not group rights. If you treat every individual as an individual, you're soon going to end up with an imbalance in ethnic groups in any profession. Because of group differences.

And along with differences- there are preferences bases not only on racial groupoing, but national background. Local pizza places are generally run by persons of Italian persuasion. Local Chinese places, by Chinese. And so on. The local restaurant busines is highly fragmented by ethnic background.

The military trains people based on ASVAB scores, And they're pretty good at determining who will succeed in different fields. And some parts of the all volunteeer forces are further all volunteer. The submarine force is all volunteer within the Navy. Blacks are grossly underrepresented compared to their number in the general population in the submarine force. And in nuclear training? Yeah, well, between needing to volunteer, serve extra time, and needing appropriate test scores- um, blacks are really underrepresented. And Asians are underrepresented for the first two reasons, the volunteering part.

You can recognize that there are differences, measureable differences, in all kinds of criteria within groups. And treat individuals as individuals based on their characteristics. At the same time, if you're anything but black- and local black at that- you probably want to avoid walking down Martin Luther King Blvd. in any major city by yourself, especially at night or during any kind of street festival. That's just the way it is, though it is judging an entire group.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 02, 2015 1:55 AM  

I'm totally willing to talk to you on a case-by-case basis as to which individual is uncivilized. But as soon as you generalize beyond the individual and speak about a group that is uncivilized, or a group that has a lower IQ, then I'm quite honestly repulsed.

So two possibilities exist: I'm either programmed to think differently, or there is something fundamentally uncivilized about these ideas....

I'm not judging you, or bashing you, but I am very disturbed by the ideas.


Of course you're judging us. And of course you're disturbed by the ideas. I don't much like these ideas myself. That's not how I would wish the world to be.

But it is how the world is. And ignoring plain facts because we don't like them never makes anything better in the end.

Our current willful myopia about race is causing a great deal of unnecessary suffering, now and in the future. It is cowardly and evil for us to continue to ignore it because it makes us feel bad.

We can't treat people as individuals until we stop judging people based on how we think they're treating groups of people. I can't very well treat employees as individuals if someone from the government is going to come around and yell at me for not hiring enough blacks, can I?

Blogger Cail Corishev May 02, 2015 3:28 AM  

If you're ready to label one group as less civilized than another, then you're also measuring the worth of that group of people,

No I'm not. I specifically SAID I don't equate the two. YOU may be doing that, and if so you should stop. It's un-Christian and intellectually sloppy. You should also stop projecting your muddle-headed thinking onto me.

Blogger Wow Justwow May 02, 2015 3:24 PM  

LITANY AGAINST WHITE GUILT
(With Apologies To George Herbert)

I must not feel white guilt.
White guilt is the mind-killer.
White guilt is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my white guilt.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the white guilt has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

posted by "Idle Spectator"
at Vox Populi [http://voxday.blogspot.com/]
22 May 2012

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit May 03, 2015 3:49 PM  

To paraphrase the original Clinton campaign, "It's the culture, ignoramus"

Not that ignorance is any great fault: popular entertainment and the dinosaur press wallow in so many false assumptions that even people who despise SJW culture as such sometimes absorb them all-unwitting. In this case: Race = culture.

Exhibit A: When you find a single neighborhood filled with them [whites], and which is crime ridden, violent and uninhabitable, as pretty much ALL black neighborhoods are, let us know.

Josh writes: Appalachia?

Give the man a gold star: Here's some background for you: A Connecticut Yankee in Appalachia

See also: Irish American immigrants, 19th Century New York in "Uplifting the Dangerous Classes".

You will also find the same level of dysfunction in chav-dominated Council Estates in England. See the inestimable Dalrymple in Life At the Bottom (Link to the review/description)

If you don't read non-fiction for fun (thought the Dalrymple link is short) let me summarize: The very qualities Vox Day is describing, and has described as endemic to black American inner-city culture, and (to the extent that the specific sub-culture has bought in the lie that race = culture = locked in forever, so tough luck, ya saps!) black culture overall (e.g. short time-preference) are characteristic of these melanin-challenged groups. Go figure, huh?

But Vox is wrong that aggression and short time-preferences are the source (whether you attribute that to genetic racial predisposition or enforced culture poverty) of this social dysfunction. The source is what the Pick Up Artists (PUAs) and social justice bullies have in common: Single mothers. Slatternly women and sluttish men: they go together like a horse and carriage, and breed disaster in their wake. It's not rocket science: have you tried raising a child? They don't call them little savages for nothing.

See The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies. Take the time to read Dalrymple, as well as the articles about Charles Brace and Alice Chapman. You will note that there were no SJWs keeping the Irish from self-improvement via the mechanism of education, cultural adaptation, and adoption of civilized Christian (or Jewish) rules of sexual continence through marriage. And voila! The Irish Americans are now fully among the ranks of the White Privileged, and no doubt at least one or more of their descendants is here claiming "the problem is black people."

The "problem" is everyone who maintains that we can abandon virtue (including prudence, sexual continence, and piety) and still maintain a society of free men and women. Trust me, your skin color and racial makeup--whatever it might be--will not protect you from slavery to your vices, your folly and your ignorance. The entire culture is poisoned by this notion, and I doubt anything short of a miracle will save us.

Anonymous 141 May 03, 2015 8:38 PM  

Someone needs to convince Obama to grant reparations in the form of a new black nation in the southeast.

Or you(white nationalists), could just move to some relatively small european nation and use your numbers to cast out the invaders via democracy.

Anonymous Banjo May 04, 2015 9:37 AM  

I feel compelled to point out that in the actual FairTax plan, everyone gets the "prebate". Said "prebate" is simply the amount of taxes that family would be expected to pay on necessities.

VFM #0131

Anonymous Clayton Bigsby May 04, 2015 5:42 PM  

“Segregation/repatriation are the only ideas out there that appear they could have any chance of success (at least they haven't been tried and failed, like every other idea), but those feel like admitting that the mythology of "America" is a lie. Better to keep trying to pay for enough bread and circuses than to admit that.”

There is segregation in our country. We have our urban ghettoes and our suburban enclaves. We have cities that have clear separation lines. HOWEVER, legislation that forces segregation, aka Jim Crow laws, had a clear history of repeated constitutional violations. Reinstituting Plessy v. Ferguson, as well as forcing the removal of millions of citizens who happen to be black or Hispanic, are pipe dreams. Keep smoking, chief.



“people of different races can't possibly have areas where their members are, ON AVERAGE, superior to others…”

Reasonable people can agree that in SOME cases, some groups of people as a race are “better” at certain things than other groups of people. However, when it comes to IQ and race, environmental factors observably get into the way of making a clear distinction as far as “whites are inherently smarter than blacks”.


“In think that in their rage, jealousy and shortsightedness, many of these mostly unimportant people from elsewhere forget how brutal whites can be, and how easily we conquered them all before.”

How noble and savage.

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