ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2016 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Wednesday, May 27, 2015

America's Ethnic Achilles Heel

By Yuji Aida
Volume 6, Number 2 (Winter 1995-1996)

[The editors of the San Francisco Examiner gave this brief preface to the article which we second This article is indicative of an influential minority viewpoint in Japan which some people may find offensive. We publish it to illustrate what is being said there.]

TOKYO - Americans are proud of their melting-pot heritage. But as blacks, Hispanics and Asians gradually come to outnumber whites, that ideal will fade. Like the Soviet Union today the United States will have to deal with contentious ethnic groups demanding greater autonomy and even political independence. That could prove to be industrial America's undoing.

Many Americans, however, feign ignorance of the problem, partly because of the official ideology. The United States sees itself as a pluralistic, multiethnic society with a single national identity based on the principles of freedom and democracy. In fact, discrimination is rampant, but the illusion of equality is vital to maintain a sense of unity.

Nonetheless, it is only a matter of time before U.S. minority groups espouse self-determination in some form. When that happens, the country may become ungovernable.... Do blacks and Hispanics, for instance, have the skills and knowledge to run an advanced industrial economy? If the answer is yes, America will maintain its vitality through the next century and beyond. But I'm skeptical.
As am I, and I am part-Hispanic. It's because I know my Hispanic Catholic relatives that I am extremely dubious they are capable of serving as an adequate replacement for the Anglo-Saxon Protestants that they will eventually replace as the USA's dominant ethnic group. The ironic thing is that even though we are 20 years deeper into the experiment of ethnic America and Mr. Aida's case looks stronger than ever, his article would probably not be publishable today; it might even be deemed criminal in some places.

But no amount of pretense, thought policing, and determined belief in the magically transformative powers of geographic translocation are going to make any difference in the future. Either the replacement population will be capable of maintaining a First World European-style society or it will not be capable and that society will see its living standards degraded.

And then, of course, there is the entirely separate problem of those non-European groups rejecting the very European, indeed, very Anglo-Saxon concepts such as the Common Law and the Rights of Englishmen. Which happen to include a few minor things such as limited government and so forth. I think a very good case can be made for Continental immigrants never quite grasping these concepts in their entirety. It does not appear subsequent waves of immigrants are doing any better in this regard.

Now, I realize that millions of people very genuinely believe that the ethnic demographics of a society are totally irrelevant. I understand that millions of people genuinely believe that IQ does not measure intelligence and that every human sub-species is equally capable of all things. Of course, I also recognize that most people are idiots.

So here is the question I have for those people who firmly believe that the ethnic composition of a society is not a controlling factor in what that society will be like. Have you ever stopped to consider what is going to happen if you are wrong? Have you ever wondered how future generations are going to regard you and the fate you inflicted upon them with your fervent dedication to diversity, equality, and inclusivity? Aren't you not only betting the house, but Western civilization, on an untested and unproven idea?

What if you are wrong?

Labels:

179 Comments:

Anonymous Sun Xhu May 27, 2015 2:59 PM  

Completely OT, but I just saw this and it's so appropriate to so many discussions on here:

A herd of rabbits gif

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 27, 2015 3:00 PM  

They might finally get a clue to how the first time it really was the War For Southern Independence, when there actually is a a true civil war.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 27, 2015 3:02 PM  

It started with the hordes of Irish and Germans in the 1840s and just got worse with every wave of immigrants. Immigrants have destroyed this nation.

Anonymous Musashi #0350 May 27, 2015 3:02 PM  

Perhaps the demographic destruction of America is simply the just wages of White America embracing abortion 40 years ago?

Maybe White America deserves to be replaced?

Blogger Rabbi B May 27, 2015 3:11 PM  

' . . . their melting-pot heritage."

Yes, it would appear that the pot is indeed melting. Going to be quite messy.

Blogger automatth0x3ew May 27, 2015 3:12 PM  

Some of my best friends are inadequate replacements.

Blogger automatth0x3ew May 27, 2015 3:14 PM  

Perhaps the demographic destruction of America is simply the just wages of White America embracing abortion 40 years ago?

Maybe White America deserves to be replaced?


Who's worse, the user or the pusher?

Blogger FALPhil May 27, 2015 3:14 PM  

Aida is merely rehashing The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life by Richard Herrnstein. My personal belief is that the theory has merit and much evidence to support it. My prediction is that the USA as we know it will split into smaller civil units and the Western European gene pool will coalesce in some region that is easily defensible.

Anonymous Cheddarman, vile faceless minion 0187 May 27, 2015 3:15 PM  

We just need more cultural Marxist indoctrination of the masses to make this great experiment in social engineering work

Blogger David-093 May 27, 2015 3:17 PM  

"It was never about the welfare of the West, but about its destruction." -take a guess

Anonymous patrick kelly May 27, 2015 3:22 PM  

I just hope enough of us mostly white folk migrate to somewhere I can stand to live climate-wise. As a whole we have demonstrated the ability to thrive anywhere, but some places are more tolerable than others........that's assuming we play somewhat nice...if not we just immigrate across open borders anywhere we choose...BWAHAHAHAHH...

Blogger Salt May 27, 2015 3:22 PM  

America's Achille's heel is found in it's belief in fair play; live and let live. The problem is in letting live one gets what one soon lives next to. Same goes for fair play in allowing alternate opinion in education and media. What's been allowed doesn't believe in fair play. They now want it their way and have the increasing numbers to press their claim. Think the Japanese or Chinese would permit such invasion as America is having?

Bye bye, America.

Blogger Profit May 27, 2015 3:23 PM  

"...on an untested and unproven idea? What if you are wrong?"

Wrong!?!? But we are NEVER wrong! They just didn't do communism/socialism/feminism/Q.E./public schools/multiculturalism correctly. We'll do it Right, This Time!

Blogger buwaya May 27, 2015 3:23 PM  

No-one can foretell the future. Some have gotten lucky and now seem like prophets, but they could just as easily have been wrong as a result of just one unforeseen factor.
Trends that seem linear may not be. And then there are other trends one may not be taking into account.
On the matter of US ethnic balkanization, there are counter-trends. Your implications re IQ and genetics are a different argument I think, so what I will mention below may or may not apply.
One is intermarriage, or at least interbreeding. In the case of both Asians and Hispanics, this is proceeding at an intense rate, mainly with whites. The reality on the street is that the US white population is merging with these people very rapidly, and already huge numbers have an ambiguous identity. The US upper-middle class will become very, very Asian. It may eventually end up a class marker to have a bit of an epicanthic fold. Lower down there are lots of mestizo-white people with Spanish names. Jones looks a lot like Martinez.
The second is that foreign languages die out in a generation. Both Hispanics and Asians, even the "pure" ones, rarely are fluent in their native tongues in the second, and rarely at all in the third. I have seen this myself in California, to the extent that its a joke - "pochismo" for example. I have walked into classrooms where only I can speak proper Spanish in a class 80% Mexican or Central-American, or Tagalog among Filipinos.
There is ethnic politics in California, but it dies out rapidly away from first generation centers. A California politician in San Francisco can find a Chinese political machine, but he's out of luck 10 miles away. A Mexican political machine exists in Los Angeles and a few cities in SoCal, but it fails in the suburbs, and its weaker than it has been in years, IMHO. Cultural identities are one thing, but political identities are weak.
Spanish-language US media is on the whole not only unintellectual and unfashionable, but unpolitical. It really only reaches first generation people (see above). There is no real "Asian" media of any consequence.
The melting pot is working. Its had a huge surge of raw material recently that is stacking up on the edge, but the melting is certainly happening, and quickly.
Now, one can wonder about the nature of the American identity these new people are picking up. I certainly don't like much of it. But for the most part this new "American", in tastes and mores, are not things the immigrants bring, they actually contribute nearly nothing to it. We aren't seeing Mexican or Chinese peasant mores taking over. The sources of what they are assimilating to are mainly native to the US, in many cases unfortunately so.

Anonymous pseudotsuga May 27, 2015 3:23 PM  

"hordes of Irish and Germans in the 1840s"
Weren't the large waves of Germans earlier than that, if I recall correctly? Large groups of them came to Pennsylvania in the 1700s to escape the Protest/Catholic religious wars of the German speaking countries. (I have some ancestors in this group).

Blogger Dexter May 27, 2015 3:23 PM  

SJWs are proudly voting NO AWARD in the Best Civilization of the Future category.

Otherwise, the detested White Prole Puppies might win.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 27, 2015 3:28 PM  

>Some of my best friends are inadequate replacements.

Ha!

Speaking as a something-generation Irish-German American, I would not consider myself an adequate replacement. I simply don't grok the rights of Englishmen thing except as Heinlein put it in Starship Troopers. All I have is this vague feeling that I'm wrong about this in a fundamental way (aside from the fact that God says to love my neighbor).

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 27, 2015 3:28 PM  

Southrons went to Brazil. Where to go now, Chile?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 27, 2015 3:29 PM  

We have vast numbers of people capable of producing a 19th century standard of living, no so many a 21st century standard of living (and attempting to have the former exercise political hegemony over the latter seems, well, farfetched.)

This is not to mention that feeding 7 billion people with 19th century tech is very unlikely.

Is it a civil war if Caucasian engineers in small number battle 19th century-capable people in large numbers for control over distribution of the whole? Or is the future characterized by secession of the former?

Blogger Kat May 27, 2015 3:30 PM  

I've been lurking in your comments since the whole Rabidly Sad (or is that Sadly Rabid? *grinz*) Puppies issue, and very much enjoying your comments and tactics. I'm certainly in no way a brilliant person, but even someone of my modest intelligence gains from your example.

On the topic of this post, it occurs to me that as a female WASP with one beloved child (who just entered her last year as a teenager - tempus fugits like crazy!) that your suggestions of research material specific to protecting wealth would be very helpful. Do you have two or three suggestions of books or websites so I can make decisions for myself and to help train my child so that our assets are more likely to be secure in an uncertain, but turning solidly socialistic economy?

Anonymous Huh? May 27, 2015 3:30 PM  

Southrons went to Brazil. Where to go now, Chile?

So, you're gonna run away from the Mestizo take-over... to Latin America?

Blogger Bluntobj Winz May 27, 2015 3:39 PM  

@bwaya,

In regard to the last statement as to what is the new "American" tastes and mores:

I disagree that new immigrants add nothing to existing culture, tastes, and mores. They are not blank slates come fresh to a new country, ready to have WASP code blown in to their receptive minds. They have significant experience in a fixed class structure, corruption, violence (done to them and by them), as well as a complete lack of identification or experience with any sort of western civilization, history, philosophy, or culture. These are not things you can simply pick up in a limited time.

If you consider the commercialism, crime, and government dependency in which the children of new immigrants are exposed to, it becomes apparent that the quality of the new tastes and mores is an order of magnitude or less than what came before. It's certainly affecting whites and blacks that have family histories in the US of 100 years or more as well. It is far easier for native born populations to resist the corrupt excuse for culture the power brokers are pushing because of the inertia of western civilization.

As a bit of an example, one might look at the results of the British Empire relinquishing its African colonies; even after 4 generations of progressing development of infrastructure and education it took only a generation and a half for many countries to decivilize.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 27, 2015 3:40 PM  

The melting pot is working.

That trend has gone about as far as the pendulum can swing. As divisiveness replaces tolerance, people who are clearly mixed risk consignment to the no-man's-land between evolving tribes.

The muddy middle to which no one offered more than lipservice is breaking into smaller, mutually antagonistic positions held with increasing fervor. Eventually, I suspect those smaller keeps will be walled, defenses raised to eventually bristle with spikes (not just metaphorically) and those who don't fit IN will be pushed OUT, after which those wandering back in will get the Christina Eilman (in Chicago) treatment.

"We Are the World" is the Old Narrative.

Anonymous Stilicho 0066 May 27, 2015 3:41 PM  

Large groups of them came to Pennsylvania in the 1700s to escape the Protest/Catholic religious wars of the German speaking countries. (I have some ancestors in this group).

Yep and they eventually assimilated much better (with some obvious exceptions like the Amish) than the later waves of German immigrants who tended to be openly leftist.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 27, 2015 3:42 PM  

>So, you're gonna run away from the Mestizo take-over... to Latin America?

There are a couple of ways this could make sense. You aren't trying hard enough.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 27, 2015 3:45 PM  

buwaya: The second is that foreign languages die out in a generation. Both Hispanics and Asians, even the "pure" ones, rarely are fluent in their native tongues in the second, and rarely at all in the third. I have seen this myself in California, to the extent that its a joke - "pochismo" for example. I have walked into classrooms where only I can speak proper Spanish in a class 80% Mexican or Central-American


It's not because they're learning English. You can't hold a proper Spanish conversation with them in Mexico or Central America, either. "Their" language isn't dying here; they are just too stupid to use it correctly. If "their" language was actually dying, you would never see bilingual product packaging, or ever hear the words "Press Uno Por Espanol" on a customer service phone system.

Anonymous Stilicho 0066 May 27, 2015 3:47 PM  

All we have of freedom, all we use or know--
This our fathers bought for us long and long ago.



Ancient Right unnoticed as the breath we draw--
Leave to live by no man's leave, underneath the Law--

Lance and torch and tumult, steel and grey-goose wing,
Wrenched it, inch and ell and all, slowly from the King.



I simply don't grok the rights of Englishmen thing except as Heinlein put it in Starship Troopers.

That's a damned good place to start. Read (or re-read until grokked) The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. This too may help:

Trumpets of the Vanguard that have sworn no truce with Kings!



All we have of freedom, all we use or know--
This our fathers bought for us long and long ago.



Ancient Right unnoticed as the breath we draw--
Leave to live by no man's leave, underneath the Law--

Lance and torch and tumult, steel and grey-goose wing,
Wrenched it, inch and ell and all, slowly from the King.



Till our fathers 'stablished, after bloody years,
How our King is one with us, first among his peers.

So they bought us freedom--not at little cost--
Wherefore must we watch the King, lest our gain be lost.



Over all things certain, this is sure indeed,
Suffer not the old King: for we know the breed.



Give no ear to bondsmen bidding us endure,
Whining "He is weak and far;" crying "Time shall cure."

(Time himself is witness, till the battle joins,
Deeper strikes the rottenness in the people's loins.)

Give no heed to bondsmen masking war with peace,
Suffer not the old King here or overseas.

They that beg us barter--wait his yielding mood--
Pledge the years we hold in trust--pawn our brother's blood--

Howso' great their clamour, whatso'er their claim,
Suffer not the old King under any name!

He shall mark our goings, question whence we came,
Set his guards about us, as in Freedom's name.

Here is naught unproven--here is naught to learn,
It is written what shall fall if the King return.

He shall take a tribute; toll of all our ware;
He shall change our gold for arms--arms we may not bear.

He shall break his Judges if they cross his word;
He shall rule above the Law calling on the Lord.

He shall peep and mutter; and the night shall bring
Watchers 'neath our windows, lest we mock the King--

Hate and all divisions; hosts of hurrying spies;
Money poured in secret; carrion breeding flies.

Strangers of his counsel, hirelings of his pay,
These shall deal our Justice: sell--deny--delay.

We shall drink dishonour, we shall eat abuse,
For the Land we look to--for the Tongue we use.

We shall take our station, dirt beneath his feet,
while his hired captains jeer us in the street.

Cruel in the shadow, crafty in the sun,
Far beyond his borders shall his teachings run.

Sloven, sullen, savage, secret, uncontrolled,
Laying on a new land evil of the old--

Long-forgotten bondage, dwarfing heart and brain--
All our fathers died to loose he shall bind again.



Here is naught at venture, random or untrue--
Swings the wheel full-circle, brims the cup anew.

Here is naught unproven, here is nothing hid:
Step for step and word for word--so the old Kings did!

Step by step and word by word: who is ruled may read.
Suffer not the old Kings: for we know the breed--

All the right they promise--all the wrong they bring.
Stewards of the Judgment, suffer not this King!

Anonymous BigGayCapslock May 27, 2015 3:48 PM  

EXCITED FOR A MORE CATHOLIC AMERICA!
Top Vatican adviser Jeffrey Sachs says that when Pope Francis visits the United States in September, he will directly challenge the “American idea” of God-given rights embodied in the Declaration of Independence.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3291368/posts

Blogger buwaya May 27, 2015 3:52 PM  

Winz,
I was trying to put it delicately. The source and model of the new "American" identity of these Hispanic immigrants is not WASP, but largely black. Modified by the leftist sheen of the public education system, to the extent they pay attention.
As for what the immigrants bring, I don't see it. I live here, with them, for 30 years. I am an immigrant myself, and married to a second generation Hispanic.
The second and third generation kids I see are English speaking (for a certain value of English), can't speak Spanish, or any other tongue, and would be even more out of place south of the border than I would be. At best they have certain preferences in food, but even then not as much as one would think.
A telling sign - that bike gang shootout in Texas, when the mug shots of those detained gang members (100+ I believe). Whats striking about them is that those criminal gangs had 10-20% visibly Mexican members. That's impressive. Criminal gangs are rarely racially mixed, as things need to be kept "in the family". The Texas bike gangs seem to be open to consider Mexicans "in the family". That's a powerful sign of the melting pot, working in the most tribal of tribes.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 27, 2015 3:53 PM  

I simply don't grok the rights of Englishmen thing except as Heinlein put it in Starship Troopers.

Few do. It was astonishing to see Habeas corpus cast aside so casually, much less mens rea.

Restrictions on arbitrary power that took centuries (and piles of corpses) to obtain, given away in a few short years.

Blogger buwaya May 27, 2015 3:58 PM  

"You can't hold a proper Spanish conversation with them in Mexico or Central America, either."

I can and have.
Mexico has its own dialects (and so does every other Spanish country, and for that matter every region of Spain) and it takes some getting used to, but this is perfectly possible. If you mean that a simple peasant or worker cant speak in some lofty manner, well, he certainly can be eloquent in his own way.

Anonymous Huh? May 27, 2015 4:02 PM  

There are a couple of ways this could make sense. You aren't trying hard enough.

OK, help me out.

You're going to find a white (German-derived or something) well-behaved, productive enclave in Chile.

And you can't do that somewhere in the USA because.... ?

Anonymous Porky May 27, 2015 4:05 PM  

very Anglo-Saxon concepts such as the Common Law and the Rights of Englishmen.

Isn't this really a Norman thing, rather than an Anglo-Saxon thing?

Anonymous patrick kelly May 27, 2015 4:05 PM  

"And you can't do that somewhere in the USA because.... ?"

He's a Yankee?

Anonymous Roundtine May 27, 2015 4:06 PM  

America's Achille's heel is found in it's belief in fair play; live and let live. The problem is in letting live one gets what one soon lives next to. Same goes for fair play in allowing alternate opinion in education and media.

These are not the Achille's heel. The weakness comes from pathological altruism or failure to understand ingroup versus outgroup. Live and let live and fair play are ingroup strategies that have been hijacked by foreigners due to Northern European cultures' high trust. Look at Harvard admissions as an example, the Jews used WASP culture against itself, now behave in a manner that is at best exactly like the WASPs.

If our society pulls through and survives, the past 50-75 years of history are a great wealth of information that will justify permabans on various cultural, ethnic and racial groups in the future.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 27, 2015 4:07 PM  

Ok, didn't look to see who the quote came from....I'm not as quick to give up on Texas....

Blogger Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 4:09 PM  

As far as the melting pot theory goes, anyone who's ever made gravy knows that you have to add the ingredients a little at a time, stirring constantly to incorporate them. If you just dump the flour in all at once, you're going to get a big clump of flour that'll never mix in. If you dump the broth in all at once, you'll have a bunch of runny stuff with flour lumps floating in it. That's what we're getting now: big lumps of immigrants spoiling the broth because they don't mix in.

EXCITED FOR A MORE CATHOLIC AMERICA!
Top Vatican adviser Jeffrey Sachs says that when Pope Francis visits the United States in September, he will directly challenge the “American idea” of God-given rights embodied in the Declaration of Independence.


Well, naturally he's going to challenge that, instead of the aspects of America that clearly go against Christian tradition, like the purely secular state or the fetishization of tolerance. But don't worry, Francis won't try to make America more Catholic. You won't catch him trying to convert anyone; modern popes are too enlightened for that. They don't try to convert voodoo snake worshipers, let alone Episcopalians.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 27, 2015 4:10 PM  

Jorge Ramos' of Ann Coulter, relating to her book "Adios, America"

It is the video at the bottom of the page. She continued answering questions after Ramos' signoff.

http://fusion.net/video/139852/jorge-ramos-ann-coulter-interview/

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 27, 2015 4:14 PM  

This link goes directly to the video:

http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.html#ec=NrdDFidTrwzZkKwdNBCgTX2IguXbD2nE&pbid=6233f5fb56044b649b50dde3c5893e9d&docUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwpcomwidgets.com%2F%3Fwpcom_origin%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ffusiondotnet.wordpress.com

Blogger yuumuraj May 27, 2015 4:21 PM  

UMM WOW JUST WOW. RACIST MUCH, DOUCHENOZZLE?

Anonymous Roundtine May 27, 2015 4:23 PM  

He's a Yankee?

The Yankees maintain one of the whitest enclaves in America.

Anonymous Mexican May 27, 2015 4:25 PM  

Yes yes. We have heard it before. VD thinks non westerners are too Dunb to maintain a Republic like the U.S. When they are a majority.

Fine! What's the solution, VD? Furthermore, what's your solution to America housing all these blacks that you also believe Are incapable of maintaining the U.S,?

Spell it out!

Or go ahead and don't and remain the coward to your convictions.

Blogger buwaya May 27, 2015 4:26 PM  

"That's what we're getting now: big lumps of immigrants spoiling the broth because they don't mix in."

I deny this. Reporting from a core region of this process, I can say that they "mix in" very well. The real problem, or at least the one that has a bearing on "mixing", is the broth they are being mixed into.

They are inside a street culture that was not defined by WASP farmers. They listen to music that didn't come from Nashville. Their teachers tell them things that come from a very white leftist subculture. These are simple people that really do bring little with them and easily adopt things they don't have (yes they do). They aren't blank slates, but they are pretty blank. They don't really bring much of their home-grown institutions (other than criminal gangs), not much of their music, a trivial part of their cuisine, and not a bit of their politics. Even the local Mexican nationalists don't read Mexican political philosophers or have much to do with Mexican politics. They copied the local US left and black nationalists. A very poor copy of a negative thing.

Anonymous DeepThought May 27, 2015 4:27 PM  

Even though I am a Turk, whose parents migrated here in the late 1960's, I agree with nearly 90% of the topics. Naturally you can guess which topics place me opposite of Vox. But more to the point, My brother and I have 7 biological children...

The future belongs to those that show up.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 27, 2015 4:28 PM  

>And you can't do that somewhere in the USA because.... ?

Two reasons come to mind:

1. Collapse. America is headed for civil war and Chile is not. Civil wars are ugly, and unlike hispanics or blacks or Asians the white race has big cracks running through it. If I found myself thinking about killing my dad or my brother, or they were thinking about killing me, I'd take pains to move out of the house first before it came to a head.

2. Ideology. In America, the German gated community of 1,000 will vote to open the gate to 50,000 foreigners, because to do otherwise runs against the zeitgeist. Then, rather than change ideologies after the gated community loses its appeal, American Germans simply move elsewhere, and throw open their gates once again. In Chile, this foolish cycle is much less likely.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 27, 2015 4:31 PM  

(American Germans may prefer to throw open the gates of the next community over, so as to retain both goodfeelz and property values, but you eventually run out of other people's communities, and when put to the question they will prefer goodfeelz and follow the party line.)

OpenID kbswift May 27, 2015 4:32 PM  

That is Pascal's Wager for Western Civilization.

Blogger Marissa May 27, 2015 4:32 PM  

The Yankees maintain one of the whitest enclaves in America.

That's because it's cheap to live in the economic powerhouses of Texas. Even lots of white Yankees and Californians move here because it's more affordable and less bonkers. With cheap land and housing and plentiful jobs, come immigrants (and also a border that the federal government refuses to defend).

Blogger David-093 May 27, 2015 4:33 PM  

"Speaking as a something-generation Irish-German American, I would not consider myself an adequate replacement. I simply don't grok the rights of Englishmen thing except as Heinlein put it in Starship Troopers. All I have is this vague feeling that I'm wrong about this in a fundamental way (aside from the fact that God says to love my neighbor)."

Well at least you're honest about it. If only the rest of the Irish and Germans understood that. But try this: whenever you feel the urge to vote for a (Democrat) politician because he promises to limit certain rights you find disagreeable or unfair, refrain.

Also, for an Irish, German, Scandinavian, Jewish or Italian readers, some helpful tips for understanding America: Unions are bad. High taxes are bad. Democrats universally are bad. Americans do not exist for the sake of foreigners and immigrants. Property rights are not negotiable. Boxing is gay. Yes, you can have too many laws. No, we will not become a monarchy. America is not a "nation of immigrants". English, Scottish, Scots-Irish and the Dutch built this country in the 1600s, not blacks in the 1800s.

Did I miss anything?

Blogger David-093 May 27, 2015 4:35 PM  

"Did I miss anything?"

Oh yeah, I forgot...

Apple pie, guns, football, dead commies, Murica fuck yeah!

Blogger buwaya May 27, 2015 4:37 PM  

On the other end of the social scale, one prediction I can make with some confidence is that the upper class will become extremely Chinese+some other Asian-mestizo, like that of the Philippines or Thailand or Indonesia. Considering the ethnic mix in the pipeline of the American cursus honorum, this is going to go very quickly.

Blogger Jourdan May 27, 2015 4:37 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Jourdan May 27, 2015 4:37 PM  

buwaya - Who cares what you think? You are not European-American and you came here (or your family brought you here) because of what we built here. Do you think you are Californian? Do you think that we will consider you so when we take our nation back? You're just another new-comer, you have no stake. In fact, *your* homeland isn't overrun with immigrants is it? You get to sleep at night knowing that your people are secure.

We want California back, and let me tell you, God help you and your kind if you get in our way.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 27, 2015 4:38 PM  

"Ideology. In America, the German gated community of 1,000 will vote to open the gate to 50,000 foreigners, because to do otherwise runs against the zeitgeist."

There comes a breaking point, as history has shown us.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 27, 2015 4:41 PM  

>This too may help:

That did help a lot, thank you.

First among peers though? That's just silly. But the spirit of the thing came through much more clearly than the ideas.

>That's a damned good place to start. Read (or re-read until grokked) The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.

Have read and grokked. Only applies to frontier conditions or ice age. Given a chance (resource abundance but monopolized by status), people will status whore, gang up, and generally mistreat one another.

Blogger buwaya May 27, 2015 4:42 PM  

Jourdan,

Who cares what Toqueville thought ? He was a interloping Frenchman.
I am an observer in an interesting place and time. I merely report.
I do suggest however, regarding your inclinations, that there are better ways to improve or adapt to this situation.

Blogger Jourdan May 27, 2015 4:54 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Jourdan May 27, 2015 4:54 PM  

@buwaya - I respect an outsiders opinion, it can be quite enlightening, his observations deep, masterful. deToqueville is an excellent example of this, yes.

However, you are no Toqueville, He had a home, and a place, he wasn't seeking to displace me and my family from my home and place, as you and your kind have.

I wish I could share your view that there are better ways to improve or adapt: we shall either be latinoamericanized or not.

No quiero un futuro para mis hijos donde gente tiene que vivir en casas como carceles, con pandillas en las calles, con criminales en poder, como en todo--TODO--latinamerica. Mi idioma, la historia de mi puebla es tan importante, como espanol y la historia mexicana es para los mexicanos.

No estoy en una cuidad en Sonoma con mis hijos, pidiendo para escuelas y otros servicios gobernmentales en mi idioma. Me amo Mexico, yo quiero un mexico para los mexicanos.

Porque ustedes no quieren un Estados Unidos para estadounidenses?

Quizas porque su pais no estan funcionando?

Y porque esto es mi problema, mi responsibilidad?

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo May 27, 2015 4:57 PM  

I think what this proves is that the creation of the welfare system is the greatest error that an industrial society can make, because it all but ensures that the people who cannot run a society's industry will outbreed those who can.
.
As Ayn Rand noted more than once, incompetence, like evil, can survive only with the naïve aid of the competent (and the good)

Anonymous DT May 27, 2015 5:01 PM  

But no amount of pretense, thought policing, and determined belief in the magically transformative powers of geographic translocation are going to make any difference in the future.

Oh come on Vox! Surely if immigrants just click their heels and say "there's no place like America. There's no place like America. There's no place like America!" they will become good little citizens.

Either the replacement population will be capable of maintaining a First World European-style society or it will not be capable and that society will see its living standards degraded.

We already have that answer, and it's not good. But look on the bright side: they're practically giving away houses in Detroit.

Blogger Chiva May 27, 2015 5:01 PM  

Fine! What's the solution, VD? Furthermore, what's your solution to America housing all these blacks that you also believe Are incapable of maintaining the U.S,?

Why does he need to supply a solution? How about you provide one?

Blogger Bard May 27, 2015 5:02 PM  

I think that we will eventually be forced into small enclaves of like minded successful people. One can no longer just be left alone to mind his own affairs. Like Vox organized puppies and GG, we are going to need to organize a community of minions in real life, not just online. Lofty idea I know, and easier said than done, but IMHO, we will have no choice. There are lines that cannot be compromised that will lead to segregation at first and ultimately violence. History is cyclical and we are rounding the corner way too fast.

Anonymous Jonathan May 27, 2015 5:04 PM  

Have there been any immigrant groups whose arrival have been positive?

Also, I'm curious about what the negative impact Germans had on the U.S. I'm familiar with what the Irish, Polish, and Italians did to our cities but have never heard much about the harm German did.

Blogger Bard May 27, 2015 5:05 PM  

Fine! What's the solution, VD? Furthermore, what's your solution to America housing all these blacks that you also believe Are incapable of maintaining the U.S,?

The solution is segregation in government housing. Are you joking? No one, and I mean NO ONE, wants to live anywhere near a black community housing project. When the money runs out, the savages will get to fend for themselves and they won't last long. Look at Katrina.

Blogger Ciaran May 27, 2015 5:08 PM  

I am becoming increasingly convinced that the strengths of the USA were based, not on the strength of universal principles, but on the unique culture and character of the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant male landowners who were its founders. The more we dilute that basis by enfranchising those who are not WASP male landowners, the more we risk disintegration. That goes for blacks, women, and Irishmen like me.

On the other hand, the beauty of America is that it allows an Irishman to act like an Englishman and assimilate all the WASP virtues without feeling like he's betrayed his race or heritage.

Anonymous FP May 27, 2015 5:09 PM  

"The second is that foreign languages die out in a generation."

Indeed, and yet my local Home Depot here in the middle of monocultural, racist "its soo white here" pacific northwest has Coke machines with ads in English and Spanish.

"Y porque esto es mi problema, mi responsibilidad?"

Porque tu eres un yanqui gringo pig dog.

Blogger FALPhil May 27, 2015 5:11 PM  

The Yankees maintain one of the whitest enclaves in America.

And those enclaves are the bastions of psuedo-Puritan leftism.

That's because it's cheap to live in the economic powerhouses of Texas.

He wasn't talking about Texas. He was talking about Westchester County, Conneticut, and Southern New Hampshire. I spend a lot of time in Texas, and have never seen white enclaves beyond tiny gated communities.

Blogger Bard May 27, 2015 5:13 PM  

Indeed, and yet my local Home Depot here in the middle of monocultural, racist "its soo white here" pacific northwest has Coke machines with ads in English and Spanish.

Of course they do. Wal Mart in rural KY has Spanish signs. This was planned long ago. Add 100 million new consumers to the market.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 27, 2015 5:14 PM  

A lot of this depends on how long the left can keep the Cult of Racism going.

It appears to be the only thing holding them together at this point. It's their Ace-In-The-Hole disqualification card.

They don't need to pay any further attention to someone once they are accused of racism. They constantly sniff the wind for the slightest whiff of it at this point. And they are the sole authority on who is and is not a racist.

It used to have some grounding in reality. If you had a black wife and mixed race kids you were accorded some leeway. But that is no longer the case, just ask Brad Torgersen.

I've actually seen the words, "Token Wife" used to describe Mrs Torgersen.

Indicating only. an impressive amount of dedication to the cause of Racism on Brad's part, so far as the SJWs are concerned.

I suppose the bigger question is, will immigrants want to stay here once the dollar crashes and burns?

Historically speaking starving Anglo-Saxons make for very poor neighbors.


Blogger hank.jim May 27, 2015 5:15 PM  

America is pulled apart from a thousand directions from the outside with our misguided foreign policy, which is made even worse with the non-white Obama. So what happens when we are pulled apart from more divisive politics from the inside? We are clearly a more leftist country today than 8 years ago, but this was also instigated from the ruling class. The rich people with connections to corporate cronyism are clearly in charge. They are driving America to be both richer and poorer. The bosses are still white, but this might change to Asian. Funny thing is they are in charge with more docile populations like Asian and Hispanic. Squeezed out is the Blacks. Let's hope the Latino gangsters don't make it over. The unknown is the brewing Muslim population.

Blogger Scott Rassbach May 27, 2015 5:16 PM  

An interesting article on immigration and the growth of Christianity, which echoes a lot of what Vox is saying. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/20/think-christianity-is-dying-no-christianity-is-shifting-dramatically/?postshare=9741432653873000

Blogger SirHamster (#201) May 27, 2015 5:17 PM  

Have there been any immigrant groups whose arrival have been positive?

Ask VD's ancestors.

Blogger Bard May 27, 2015 5:17 PM  

When the dollar crashes, where will they go? Back to Mexico or North to Canada? We are all shit out of luck at that point.

Blogger Marissa May 27, 2015 5:17 PM  

The more we dilute that basis by enfranchising those who are not WASP male landowners, the more we risk disintegration.

Wasn't that Andrew Jackson's fault? Clearly the expansion of the franchise from landowning men (who were almost exclusively Anglo-Saxon Protestant at that time -- I don't get the redundant "white") hastened the decline, but it was done by one of the very same. It would make an interesting alternate history story to explore what might have happened otherwise. Would the Civil War have occurred, or on such a large scale?

Anonymous neal May 27, 2015 5:17 PM  

So, maybe hunt and kill everything that is not what you think is you. Works on mutants, other life forms. Of course, natural laws will prevail, and if you win, that is an engorged tick thinking it has fixed the dog.

Of course, there are others involved, and they are not very happy with this crap. You do not know War. Best to not anger the Heavens.

Being ruthless, and self selecting soaks this place with blood.

You are just using that old instinct to burn down stuff. Old story.

Take what you will, We will make more.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 27, 2015 5:18 PM  

Both Hispanics and Asians, even the "pure" ones, rarely are fluent in their native tongues in the second, and rarely at all in the third

Many illegal aliens don't even speak Spanish a Pitt University professor who had lived in Spain was fired for failing many Hispanic students that should have been born on 3rd base in Spanish class. Google translate wont help because they cant read any language

So, you're gonna run away from the Mestizo take-over... to Latin America?

They won't demand he provide 1st world accommodations and free food to every mestizo when he shows up.

assimilated much better (with some obvious exceptions like the Amish

I will take the amish over Shitavious & Latrina any day. The amish are self sufficient while an HIV+ refugee eats up $2,000-$5000 worth of HIV drugs a month and might make a version of HIV that is drug resistant thanks to stupidity/non-compliance.

DeepThought 4:27 PM Even though I am a Turk, ...., My brother and I have 7 biological children...

Isn't it illegal to have kids via siblings in all 50 states?

Blogger Bard May 27, 2015 5:21 PM  


Isn't it illegal to have kids via siblings in all 50 states?

That was funny!

Blogger Noah B #120 May 27, 2015 5:22 PM  

"The unknown is the brewing Muslim population."

Unknown? It's like tossing a hand grenade into a whorehouse.

Blogger IM2L844 May 27, 2015 5:22 PM  

If it's not illegal, it's at least unseemly...unless your from Appalachia.

Blogger Bard May 27, 2015 5:23 PM  

They don't toss hand grenades into whore houses. They run in with suicide bomber vests.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 27, 2015 5:26 PM  

BigGayCapslock - ????

The problem is we will run out of money trying to support the 3rd world at 1st world standards, since they are not able to contribute. Mexican President Calderon said "where there are Mexicans there is mexico" and he is right as far as litter, crime, corruption, DUIs, acting like the age of consent is 12, and rule by drug dealers.

Eventually the debt will be so high the system will collapse with no food stamp cards working just like what happened in 16 states for 8 hours on 10-12-2013 which was enough to scare some puffs to flee to a Whitopia. The actual cost is hidden when an illegal alien eats up $250,000+ in treatment to cure a single case of drug resistant TB. Here is a story about a single refugee squatmonster in a Swiss town of over 1000 who leeches off 1/3 of the taxes, consuming ~$60,000 in taxpayers money a month.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2758055/Outraged-Swiss-village-1-000-residents-forced-raise-taxes-African-refugee-mother-seven-moves-costs-40-000-month-benefits.html

Blogger Marissa May 27, 2015 5:26 PM  

He wasn't talking about Texas. He was talking about Westchester County, Conneticut, and Southern New Hampshire. I spend a lot of time in Texas, and have never seen white enclaves beyond tiny gated communities.

FALPhil, never in my life would I confuse Yankeedom with Texas. I was explaining why lily-white enclaves in Yankeedom are the way they are -- minorities can't afford to live there. Economically powerful places in the South and Texas are cheaper to live in, and thus suffer the scourge of immigration in much higher numbers (also proximity to the border). Texas is getting pretty non-white. It's only 45% white these days.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 5:28 PM  

I'm curious about what the negative impact Germans had on the U.S.

The problem with Germans isn't their behavior, which is some of the hardest-working and most law-abiding you can find. A German community is a great place to live. (Steve Sailer recently had an article about a mostly-German county in Indiana that's prospering compared to its Anglo neighbors despite seeming to have less resources.)

The problem with Germans is that, being naturally orderly themselves, they're too quick to give more power to authorities, not realizing that others will abuse that power more than they would. Ditto government benefits: they wouldn't abuse welfare themselves, so they're too willing to provide it, not realizing other groups are perfectly happy on the dole.

So from Germans you get more laws and more powerful government -- which isn't necessarily a problem if your citizens are German, but it is if they aren't.

Blogger buwaya May 27, 2015 5:30 PM  

I am no Toqueville, true. I have no talent like his, and I'm much lazier. Still, data is data whatever the source. So I give you my best efforts, poor as they are.
"we shall either be latinoamericanized or not.'
Alternately, you can be Asianized, or partly so.
That is much more likely to affect the future state of society, as they will lead it and impose their vision. There is no stopping that at this point.
For the sake of third parties, I will reply in English regarding Mexicans -

On living in houses like prisons, with criminals in power, and etc. -

Frankly this is up to you. Latinamericans are a malleable people. They will follow the right lead, and if you lead rightly you will probably get a better resolution than you expect. It is the US leadership that is at fault, particularly in terms of culture and education. Give them bad examples and they will follow them. As we see.

You fear losing your language, history, and culture.

Your language is safe. Your history isn't, because its transmission is in the hands of scoundrels, maniacs and fools, and these are nearly all white people. Your culture is in the same state. Mexicans in the US care very little about their language and even less about their history. They certainly don't bother to learn it.
And though they like Mexicans, as far as I can tell most don't care for Mexico. In the later generations Mexico is just a word.

I can't tell if you are or aren't in Sonoma ? As far as I know there are plenty of schools in Sonoma, but like most California schools they are poorly run, for anyone.

As for why they don't stay home, whether their countries function, and why its your responsibility -
They come because you are rich, they are poor, and they hope things will go better for them here, seeing as it has gone so well for you. In nearly all cases they are right.
Do their countries function ? Not as well as yours.
Can they do something about that ? Probably not. They certainly aren't the people that run their countries.
Why is it your problem ? Because you think its a problem. They don't think its a problem. If you want them to go home, telling them so isn't going to work.
If you want to tell them to stop coming you will have to convince a lot of other people to do something about it, like closing the border.

Personally I think you all should do something about the border, and reform education, and fix the teaching of US history, and repair the culture (like get rid of rap). And etc.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 5:39 PM  

My students and I just hit the part of The Republic where Socrates says that democracy always devolves to extreme levels of tolerance until there are no limits on behavior at all, and eventually all the laws and mores break down and the people turn to a tyrant to keep the goodies coming.

So a democracy that maintains limits on individual and government behavior is not something that comes naturally. It's not something you can expect any random group of humans to maintain for long just because it's written down somewhere. If any group can hold off that natural progression for long, it may take a specific combination of mindset, culture, religion, and external circumstances. It's definitely not something that should be taken for granted.

Blogger buwaya May 27, 2015 5:43 PM  

As for signs in Spanish -
This sort of requirement is nearly always imposed by white Americans, not Mexicans or anyone else. In most cases things like bilingual signs and services are required through regulations created by bureaucrats and politicians playing status games with each other, and to impress their (white) leftist constituents. In some cases its a result of ethnic politicians doing symbolic politics, like counting coup.
In some cases its purely practical. Home Depot and other hardware businesses are much patronized by a workforce that is, if not illegal (most is probably), certainly first generation.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 27, 2015 5:45 PM  

Huh?
"So, you're gonna run away from the Mestizo take-over... to Latin America?"

If it was up to me, Texas would be flying the Lone Star already.

As to Chile, it is like Austria and Switzerland, in some places, in South America. If we have to flee because a "reconquista" is successful, Chile (Bolivia? Paraguay? Uruguay?) might be safer, oddly enough.

It was just a question, I guess it was more rhetorical than otherwise.

Anonymous VanDerMerwe May 27, 2015 5:45 PM  

Anybody see this? Apologies for the off topic comment but in some ways it's related, I guess.

http://www.enca.com/life/lobola-offer-obama-daughter

"NAIROBI - A Kenyan lawyer has offered US president Barack Obama 50 cows and other assorted livestock in exchange for his 16-year old daughter Malia's hand in marriage.

Felix Kiprono said he was willing to pay 50 cows, 70 sheep and 30 goats in order to fulfil his dream of marrying the first daughter.

"I got interested in her in 2008," Kiprono said, in an interview with The Nairobian newspaper.

At that time President Obama was running for office for the first time and Malia was a 10-year-old.

"I will teach Malia how to milk a cow, cook ugali (maize porridge) and prepare mursik like any other Kalenjin woman," he said."

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 27, 2015 5:47 PM  

Jourdan, you have some gender issues in your Spanish blog post.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 5:48 PM  

Personally I think you all should do something about the border, and reform education

I always appreciate it when someone says something so utterly stupid and banal that he disqualifies himself from receiving any further attention. "Reform education" is one of those phrases. Saves loads of time.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 27, 2015 5:50 PM  

"It's because I know my Hispanic Catholic relatives that I am extremely dubious they are capable of serving as an adequate replacement for the Anglo-Saxon Protestants that they will eventually replace as the USA's dominant ethnic group."

Are Catholics really that much more lazy than Protestants?

Blogger buwaya May 27, 2015 5:51 PM  

"Reform education"

It doesn't need reform ? It seems like its quite badly done, both from the worms-eye view, and from the point of view of the best available data.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 27, 2015 6:07 PM  

"I'm curious about what the negative impact Germans had on the U.S."

Most Germans were Unionists, IIRC. Not to mention all the socialist Germans that immigrated around 1920.

Blogger Marissa May 27, 2015 6:09 PM  

Are Catholics really that much more lazy than Protestants?

We did have a bunch of non-working feast days the Protestants were happy to be rid of. Fucking Jews.

Anonymous Roundtine May 27, 2015 6:28 PM  

He was talking about Westchester County, Conneticut, and Southern New Hampshir

I was talking about the New England most people don't see unless they live here. The racial attitudes of South Boston are not an outlier.

Blogger Doom May 27, 2015 6:33 PM  

Yeah... most "Southern Catholics" are no more Catholic than the pope. Well, this and the last pope. Can't be a socialist (or anti-colonialist) and be a Christian. So... yeah, not Catholic. Then again, most (at least American) Catholics aren't Catholic either. At this point. Socialists with their hands out, mostly. Church won't give, so they pray in the church and steal from taxpayers, thanking God (for almost nothing, but the pictures of events are great for social media). Bleh.

Blogger Corvinus May 27, 2015 6:34 PM  

Are Catholics really that much more lazy than Protestants?

@Tommy Hass
At least historically, Catholics looked upon making money as a means to enjoy life, whereas Protestants believe in making money for its own sake to justify themselves. Read Max Weber's "The Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" to get some idea on the different mindsets.

Historically, therefore, when comparing ethnic groups, some of whom are Catholic and some Protestant, such as Germans or Flemish/Dutch, the Protestants were more aggressive overall when it came to making money, but with a reputation for being rather austere and un-fun Puritans, whereas Catholics were much more interested in art and high culture, and otherwise making life fun and enjoyable.

Comparing the English and Irish doesn't really work, since the Irish were a poor peripheralized people, but England did manage to hold onto a Catholic minority. English Catholics were likewise more into art and high culture -- English classical composers, artists, authors, poets, and so forth were disproportionately Catholics.

One little-known schism within U.S. Catholics that hardly anyone ever talks about is that between white and nonwhite Catholics. White Catholics are now mostly Republican-leaning, and it's higher among the younger generations, especially as these younger generations diverge more from the stereotypical Irish or Sicilian ethnic roots and become essentially indistinguishable ethnically from white American Protestants due to huge numbers of liberal white Catholics calving off into irreligion and the small number of converts to Catholicism coming mostly from Protestantism.

Blogger Feather Blade May 27, 2015 6:41 PM  

Felix Kiprono said he was willing to pay 50 cows, 70 sheep and 30 goats in order to fulfil his dream of marrying the first daughter.

That's a pretty good dowry. Pretty sure you'd have to have more than 40 acres to accommodate that amount of livestock.

The comments on cheezburger are, of course, "Women aren't objects for purchase and never were!" (despite the print evidence - to which the commenter is objecting - that they are ) and "archaic traditions with no ground in reality" (except apparently in Kenya) and outrage that the guy thinks he "could "barter" The President's lovely daughter for less than a small Colorado ranch." (apparently the only problem is the offered price).

They're desperately trying to be culturally sensitive, in the face of cultural practices that are deeply offensive to them... it's so cute.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 6:44 PM  

Are Catholics really that much more lazy than Protestants?

I wouldn't say "lazy" (German Catholics certainly aren't lazy), but there's a different attitude about how central work in a business/profit sense should be in one's life.

However, there may be ethnic groups which like their leisure time and also happen to have been predominantly Catholic, creating a correlation sans causation.

I guess one test would be: now that Latin America is rapidly turning Protestant, are they becoming more work- and business-oriented?

Blogger RC May 27, 2015 6:44 PM  

"I'm curious about what the negative impact Germans had on the U.S."

They are statists through and through by nature. Kintergarten anyone?

Blogger Chris Mallory May 27, 2015 6:51 PM  

"Weren't the large waves of Germans earlier than that, if I recall correctly?"

Germans made up less than 4% of the population in 1776. The late 1840s brought the Marxist scum fleeing from the revolutions. They were big supporters of Lincoln.

Anonymous fish May 27, 2015 6:54 PM  

Felix Kiprono said he was willing to pay 50 cows, 70 sheep and 30 goats in order to fulfil his dream of marrying the first daughter.

Good to have dreams. Godspeed Mr. Kiprono....if you are successful perhaps we won't need to suffer through yet another idiot spawn of a politician making things worse for society!

Blogger Corvinus May 27, 2015 7:02 PM  

I guess one test would be: now that Latin America is rapidly turning Protestant, are they becoming more work- and business-oriented?

@Cail
The most Protestant part of Latin America also happens to have the highest poverty and murder rates, and is also where all those child migrants are coming from.

Anonymous Roundtine May 27, 2015 7:02 PM  

"I'm curious about what the negative impact Germans had on the U.S."

Hippies

Blogger Guderian May 27, 2015 7:05 PM  

The 21st century seems like it will see a return to 19th-century race awareness as it sees the relative decline of racially-colorblind European states and the rise of painfully race-conscious Asian states.

[b]So from Germans you get more laws and more powerful government -- which isn't necessarily a problem if your citizens are German, but it is if they aren't.[/b]

Some far-sighted mid-century Germans took steps to minimize the "non-Germans in German territory" problem.

I recently read Neal Stephenson's "In the Beginning was the Command Line" where he describes the global judgment-free monoculture we live in. Reading that was like getting struck by a lightning bolt; it was so simple and yet so powerful. "Those who judge others are bad" perfectly encapsulates the inane madness of contemporary society. This ideology has its own pantheon of martyrs (MLK, Ghandi, Harvey Milk, European Jewry, etc) and its own Satan (Hitler, who realistically might deserve a top 10 but not a top 5 ranking in mass-murder after various Communists and Eurasian despots). The rhetorical formula "If you dislike ________, you're one step from herding them into showers and turning on the gas, you dirty Nazi!", usually implicit but often explicit when tensions run high, is the only tool left in the global Leftist toolbox, and it's losing power daily. Personally, I would not want to depend on the goodwill of Germans who no longer fear being called Nazis.

[b]If it was up to me, Texas would be flying the Lone Star already.[/b]

As a fellow Texan I sympathize, but I think Texan independence would actually magnify Texas' problems, at least in the short term. A population only 44% white is worse than the US at large. Additionally, the Texan founding myth depicts the defeat at San Jacinto of the barbarous perpetrators of the Alamo and Goliad, a people group that now constitutes 38% of the population. I have to imagine that causing significant friction between Texan Mestizos and Texan Whites.

Presuming the catastrophic failure of the US necessary for Texas to re-assert independence, I would be extremely hesitant to rely on civic nationalism to assimilate non-whites, particularly non-whites with large populations in contiguous countries (eg. Mestizos, Indios).

Blogger Corvinus May 27, 2015 7:06 PM  

"I'm curious about what the negative impact Germans had on the U.S."

They are statists through and through by nature. Kintergarten anyone?


There's an interesting point. However, Germans are a huge part of the white American population.

But I think the combination of German and Scandinavian, combined with a very low level of British ancestry, is conducive to far-left idiocy, like in the Upper Midwest. Except in New England, British ancestry appears to be somewhat of a palliative against leftism. In places where you have people with mixed German and British ancestry, the leftism isn't as apparent.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 7:16 PM  

On Germans, here's an example. In Iowa, they're dealing with millions of dead chickens and turkeys from avian flu. The feds and state officials want to bury a million of them in a landfill near Des Moines, one of the most populous areas of the state. (Apparently they can't be incinerated, the obvious solution, because EPA and air pollution.) People aren't happy about it, but being Iowans, they're protesting mildly by calling talk radio shows, not by showing up at the landfill with shotguns.

So I'm listening to this being discussed on Jan Mickelson's radio show in Des Moines, and a guy calls up to say he doesn't see why people are objecting, because the state is just trying to do what's right. Everyone should just trust them, because the state and university experts always know best, don't they?

Now this guy was older, and you'd be less likely to get that attitude from a gen-Xer or millenial. But still, it's the quintessential German attitude, which also shows up when you're talking about cops, teachers, doctors, or anyone with a certificate or a badge. Authority is to be trusted, and that's not a decision they've come to based on any evidence, but an innate way of thinking.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 27, 2015 7:25 PM  

Felix Kiprono said he was willing to pay 50 cows, 70 sheep and 30 goats in order to fulfil his dream of marrying the first daughter.

Feather Blade: That's a pretty good dowry.


Hey waitaminute. I thought the girl was supposed to bring the dowry? Just because her mom can do more pushups than her dad, all of a sudden this girl's shit doesn't stink?

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist May 27, 2015 7:25 PM  

“They might finally get a clue to how the first time it really was the War For Southern Independence.”

Southron gonna southron.


“It started with the hordes of Irish and Germans in the 1840s…”

In case you haven’t noticed, these Europeans are white. You know, our allies. Race traitor.


“Going to be quite messy.”

COULD be.


“Think the Japanese or Chinese would permit such invasion as America is having?”

The observable difference is that America was founded by diverse groups. There was no “invasion”, sans Europeans jackbooting Natives.


“That's what we're getting now: big lumps of immigrants spoiling the broth because they don't mix in.”

Initially. But given the right temperature and an experienced cook, they meld in just fine.


“Collapse. America is headed for civil war…”

I’ll wait until the movie comes out.


"Speaking as a something-generation Irish-German American, I would not consider myself an adequate replacement.”

“If only the rest of the Irish and Germans understood that…”

Shame much?


“English, Scottish, Scots-Irish and the Dutch built this country in the 1600s, not blacks in the 1800s.”

Built the country in large part to black labor.


“Also, for an Irish, German, Scandinavian, Jewish or Italian readers, some helpful tips for understanding America…”

Thanks for indoctrinating me.


“The problem with Germans is that, being naturally orderly themselves, they're too quick to give more power to authorities, not realizing that others will abuse that power more than they would.”

That’s a lofty claim that requires evidence. Care to elaborate?


“Fucking Jews.”

Women. Ruin. Everything. Leave it to a woman to talk about her own problems.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 27, 2015 7:42 PM  

"In case you haven’t noticed, these Europeans are white. You know, our allies. Race traitor."

I don't consider either group to be white. Ben Franklin didn't either.


"America was founded by diverse groups."

No, America was founded by British Protestants.

"But given the right temperature and an experienced cook, they meld in just fine."

They haven't yet. Why should we expect them to now?

Blogger njartist May 27, 2015 7:50 PM  

@BigGayCapslock May 27, 2015 3:48 PM
Top Vatican adviser Jeffrey Sachs says that when Pope Francis visits the United States in September, he will directly challenge the “American idea” of God-given rights embodied in the Declaration of Independence.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3291368/posts


With this it is confirmed that papist of any ethnicity are incapable of comprehending or " First World European-style society ;" perhaps they were even incapable of maintaining a republic: early American were adamant in there desire to not have waves of Romanists invade these shores; I guess they were correct.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 8:02 PM  

In case you haven’t noticed, these Europeans are white. You know, our allies.

Do allies have to live together under the same laws and customs? In fact, isn't being separate countries kinda part of the definition of allies?

Rural people have a saying: Good fences make good neighbors. There are plenty of people I wouldn't want to live with, but we'd get along just fine with a fence between us.

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW May 27, 2015 8:20 PM  

I never thought I would see an attorney general use the slippery slope argument:

In a brief filed Friday, the attorney general’s office wrote that current animal-rights laws are sufficient, and to grant chimps additional rights was a slippery slope.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) May 27, 2015 8:30 PM  

When the dollar crashes, where will they go? Back to Mexico or North to Canada? We are all shit out of luck at that point.
There'll still be more goods to steal here then in Central America.

Blogger Azimus May 27, 2015 8:40 PM  

Would the Rights of Englishmen that were cradled in the bosom of English hearts have been brought to this country by the authoritarian theocrat Englishmen who actually came from the Netherlands who settled in Plymouth Colony or would they have been brought by the largely illiterate indentured servant virtual-slaves and mercenary soldiers of fortune who settled in Jamestown Colony? I forget.

Anonymous BGS May 27, 2015 8:43 PM  

There'll still be more goods to steal here then in Central America.

Everyone with something worth stealing past the first 3 months at that point will be well armed. Seeing a grandmother working as a waitress at a restaurant I sometimes go to while turd world refugees eat up more benefits than she earns in a year makes me mad now. When the ball drops no one will think twice about dropping someone with MS-13 tats from long range.

Blogger RL (#0052) May 27, 2015 8:46 PM  

@njartist

Sachs is a utopian progressive. An Ivy League SJW. He is not even catholic. Why would you believe anything he says?

Anonymous JRL May 27, 2015 8:46 PM  

Have you ever stopped to consider what is going to happen if you are wrong? Have you ever wondered how future generations are going to regard you and the fate you inflicted upon them

Progs should understand the reasoning, they use a variant themselves when it comes to global warming:

"We should drastically reduce carbon emissions anyway, because WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG?" ie, what if catastrophic anthropogenic global climate change IS TRUE?

To them, potential catastrophe merits drastic action.

I agree with the Progs' logic...ahhhh, I can feels smarter already.

Anonymous Moldbugger May 27, 2015 8:47 PM  

@BigGayCapslock May 27, 2015 3:48 PM
Top Vatican adviser Jeffrey Sachs says that when Pope Francis visits the United States in September, he will directly challenge the “American idea” of God-given rights embodied in the Declaration of Independence.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3291368/posts

Read John C. Wright....

A Catholic society is not a Libertarian one. One is based on the True Church, the other based on heresy.

Blogger Azimus May 27, 2015 8:50 PM  

Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 7:16 PM
On Germans, here's an example. In Iowa, they're dealing with millions of dead chickens and turkeys from avian flu. The feds and state officials want to bury a million of them in a landfill near Des Moines, one of the most populous areas of the state. (Apparently they can't be incinerated, the obvious solution, because EPA and air pollution.) People aren't happy about it, but being Iowans, they're protesting mildly by calling talk radio shows, not by showing up at the landfill with shotguns.


Germans have a different escalation schedule than other cultures. It takes them a long time and a lot of antagonism to go from supplicant (1) to discontent (2) to disobedient (3), but unlike other cultures, there doesn't seem to be a 4-9 on their dial. It goes from disobedient (3) and skips all intervening steps to full mobilization global war (10) pretty quick. I find that this is also true of the Chinese.

Blogger bw May 27, 2015 9:04 PM  

Bowden knew the deal

Complete with some dark triad Game stuff towards in the end, referencing "attraction" of "far right" vs marxists etal.

Blogger njartist May 27, 2015 9:06 PM  

A Catholic society is not a Libertarian one. One is based on the True Church, the other based on heresy.

Thank you for confirming my suspicions. And for making it clear that to papists Protestants, even the Orthodox, are not part of the "true" church.

@ RL (#0052) May 27, 2015 8:46 PM
Read this carefully: "Top Vatican adviser Jeffrey Sachs..."

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 27, 2015 9:07 PM  

Curious :"I never thought I would see an attorney general use the slippery slope argument:"

In a brief filed Friday, the attorney general’s office wrote that current animal-rights laws are sufficient, and to grant chimps additional rights was a slippery slope.



Seems to me, her slope is upside-down. The correct application would be: "You can't give special rights to chimps; next thing you know, they'll make one President."

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 27, 2015 9:11 PM  

BGS: "When the ball drops no one will think twice about dropping someone with MS-13 tats from long range."

When the ball drops, all their tats will look like MS13.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 27, 2015 9:31 PM  

All of you seem surprised at what has happened. I've been waiting for this my entire life. You just don't have the historical literacy to see the genesis of what has taken place, here and in Europe.
This is Hitler's revenge. The little girls raped in England, the musselmen invading Europe and Mestizo Taco Hell in America is all because some big rat has a monstrous Hitler fixation. See Hitler didn't lose the War, you did.
All of these things have happened because retards never learn. They wanted to stop White power, and now they have all but Guaranteed it. All this is the same old story. Its what made Hitler the Chancellor of Germany.
The black muslim in the White House was supposed to Guarantee that White power would never materialize, but it will. That black boy is doing all he can to block Israeli planes from closing down thousands of centrifuges around Tehran. When the Ayatollah gets the Bomb of his Dreams, those crazy fantasies of ruling the World will be vaporized as quickly as Lower Manhattan.
I can just see the Iranians loading a Big Boy Bomb onto the flatbed of a Toyota 4x4 and driving it straight across the Open Borders. Riding down Route 666 to Lower Manhattan, and BOOM!
Ironic isn't it? Japan was the ally of The Axis of Hitler. Admiral Yamamoto must be turning over in his grave to tell them to KISS HIS ASS.
Climb Mount Ararat, boys. You asked for it, you got it: TOYOTA!

Blogger ICG May 27, 2015 9:41 PM  

Shockingly, the MSM completely avoided mentioned the race of the 3 guys who attacked this South Mississippi cop. Fortunately, his dog saved him. I'm guessing the perpetrators were violent Norwegian exchange students who use razors as a weapon of choice.

http://tinyurl.com/np6wzac

Blogger Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 9:54 PM  

Germans have a different escalation schedule than other cultures.

True. I'm at least half German, and I've only lost my temper a couple times in my life, but they were fairly epic. Thing is, we hate doing that, so if you push us that far, we lose it twice over -- once for whatever it was you did in the first place, and then again for making us lose it.

Anonymous Long Time Lurker May 27, 2015 9:54 PM  

Tonight's Ground Zero program moderated by Clyde Lewis fits in perfectly with this post. Show starts at 10:00 EST, if anyone is interested.

Anonymous zen0 May 27, 2015 10:00 PM  

@ joshua sinistar

>All of you seem surprised at what has happened. I've been waiting for this my entire life.

Ok, that one was entertaining

Blogger Anthony May 27, 2015 10:02 PM  

Buwaya is mostly right. The big problem is that Mexican and Central American immigrants are assimilating into black American culture, not white.

Another big problem is that we're getting Mexico's losers. For the past 20 years or so, Mexico hasn't been a terrible place to live if you were average or above average in intelligence and/or conscientiousness. But if you're not so bright (by Mexican standards), or lazy, being poor in Mexico is way worse than being poor in the U.S. So the people who would at least be usefully productive and have usefully productive children are more likely to stay in Mexico, while the people who are least likely to remain productive and to have children who support themselves emigrate to the U.S.. This is related to why so many Mexicans are assimilating to black America instead of white America.

Blogger Anthony May 27, 2015 10:06 PM  

In the long run, it's a problem to increase the less-bright fraction of the population, but importing a bunch of people who are less bright than average and encouraging them to assimilate to the most dysfunctional cultural standard available makes the long-run problem a much more immediate problem.

Blogger Thucydides May 27, 2015 10:08 PM  

I will challenge this by pointing out that African immigrants tend to do far better than African-Americans. There is nothing genetic or magical about this, but rather cultural. African immigrants have adopted the "American Dream" narrative as their own, while African Americans have largely been cooped into the "Progressive" narrative.

Other groups show similar attitudes; I believe that the real reason that Asians do better in IQ tests and various standardized testing like SAT's has much more to do with being brought up in a culture which values hard work, study and education rather than instant gratification.

Samuel Huntington wrote about this in his last book "Who are we?", which pretty explicitly lays out the foundation of American success was settlement by large numbers of British protestant dissenters in the 1700's, who brought a particular set of values from that time and place, and were able to refine them in the new country. In some alternative history where a different group of Englishmen were to settle America, a radically different country would have emerged.

So in the end, if this is a "culture" rather than a genetic thing, then the Americans have a strong core in the so called "Flyover" states where traditional American values still prevail over the Progressive "narrative", and the immigrant groups which have similar values.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist May 27, 2015 10:22 PM  

"I don't consider either group to be white. Ben Franklin didn't either."

Franklin also worked to abolish slavery. Do you still want to use him as your appeal to authority? Nevertheless, today, from a racial perspective, Europeans, in part which of the Irish and Germans, are white, or Caucasoid. From a social distinction, in our modern society, these two groups are considered white. Immutable truths.


"No, America was founded by British Protestants."

Along with French Huguenots and Catholics, Spanish Conquistadors, Dutch Reformists, and a host of other groups. Had our founding fathers desired only certain groups, there would have made concerted, sustained legislative and social efforts that exclusively focused on those groups to immigrate.


"They haven't yet. Why should we expect them to now?"

Observably false. The Irish and Germans have seamlessly blended into our country. They have intermarried, founded businesses, and became politicians.


“Do allies have to live together under the same laws and customs?”


Do allies have to live apart from one another if they agree to those same laws and customs?


“In fact, isn't being separate countries kinda part of the definition of allies?”


And part of the definition of allies are also citizens of a country whose ancestors came from a different part of the world and throughly embraced the culture of their host.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 27, 2015 10:37 PM  

Growing up in a thouroughly Catholic culture, where I still remember Baptists (of whatever stripe) were a curiosity, and a town nicknamed "La Ciudad Bruja" still had villages where Santeria and African "brujerias" were practiced as quaint cultural heritage, I am of the opinion that Catholicism is incompatible with the government that was birthed by the Anglo-Saxons and Celtic groups in the New World. From my experience, Catholics believe in paternalistic governments, where the social, invarably, leads to liberal policies.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 27, 2015 10:52 PM  

The Irish and Germans have seamlessly blended into our country. They have intermarried, founded businesses, and became politicians.

You seem to think that asserting things makes them true. The first sentence doesn't follow from the second. I live near a German/Irish town, and the Germans and Irish still have separate festivals. They get along okay, but after more than a century, they still aren't "seamlessly blended." The seams are still visible.

Do allies have to live apart from one another if they agree to those same laws and customs?

They don't agree to the same laws and customs, so irrelevant. Sure, Germans and Irish are similar enough that their customs don't rub up against each other too hard. But make German-Americans share a city park with Mexican-Americans and see how much their customs are the same. You sound like someone who's never actually gotten outside his college and met anyone who doesn't think just like himself.


And part of the definition of allies are also citizens of a country whose ancestors came from a different part of the world and throughly embraced the culture of their host.

No it's not; an ally is someone you unite with for a particular purpose, so by definition you can't already be thoroughly united. But now this conversation has gotten so stupid that I'm embarrassed to be involved in it, so I guess you'll get the last word. Congratulations.

Anonymous Imnobody May 27, 2015 10:54 PM  

Anthony is right. As an European living in Central America, I can see USA is receiving Latin American losers, the people with less intelligence, less education, less impulse control. The ones who don't have anything to lose so they leave, even if they become another country's underclass. You also get our biggest sluts. The single moms that nobody here would marry get American husbands (typical beta boys) and move to USA with their thugspawn. I don't know why US guys love to raise other men's kids.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 27, 2015 10:55 PM  

Thucydides: "I will challenge this by pointing out that African immigrants tend to do far better than African-Americans."

I'm sure that is a great consolation to the neighbors of Little Mogadishu, MN.

Even if your Culture argument is true for new immigrants, the next generation they poop out here will have no memory of how awful life was in the Old Continent, and the new sprogs will adopt the default AA progressive they-be-rayciss culture.

Riding an airplane over here won't fix their DNA any better than the slave ships did.

Anonymous zen0 May 27, 2015 11:02 PM  

VanDerMerwe May 27, 2015 5:45 PM

Anybody see this? Apologies for the off topic comment but in some ways it's related, I guess.

http://www.enca.com/life/lobola-offer-obama-daughter

"NAIROBI - A Kenyan lawyer has offered US president Barack Obama 50 cows and other assorted livestock in exchange for his 16-year old daughter Malia's hand in marriage.


Also on the same OT but not so much. When Obama and the leader of Turkey, Erdogan, have private conversations, many of which have been photographed, what language do they speak?
Erdogan does not speak English. Obama does not speak Turkic.
How do they communicate?

Blogger Bobo #117 May 27, 2015 11:10 PM  

"Southrons went to Brazil. Where to go now, Chile?"

Chile has some really nice areas, my friends who have migrated down there seem content, they're accepted and unmolested.
I left farmland, guns, gold & 200 years of family in Louisiana for the merciless beaches of Costa Rica. Most of my friends here are Galt's Gulch libertarian types, gringos own everything, and where Chile is a 13hr flight, I'm direct from Houston in 3.
Y'all enjoy the ruckus up there...I'll handle things here.

Anonymous zen0 May 27, 2015 11:10 PM  

As an X-Muslim, the Grand Caliphate was always the hottest discussion while sitting in the halls of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, even later in mosques in the United States where activists from all over the globe discussed plans on how to revive it. Obama is not simply a socialist or a dummy as many claim and a quick look at his direction of U.S. Foreign Policy on Islamic issues will reveal that he is meticulous and careful ensuring it fits Islam’s historical and eschatological agenda.

And if you are still in doubt, I ask: where were you during the sixties and even the eighties when we were in your learning centers discussing how the Muslim Brotherhood will influence every aspect of your system from government to education, all as a plan for a grand caliphate which is to be supported, infused and initiated right from your backyard and from within your governmental system?

Which of the two was stupid: us, or you? Who underestimated who?

My journey to becoming an ‘Apple Pie’ was not an easy road, for many still suspect, I am still Shish-Kabob.

I tell you the truth, Obama is not as naive as you think in administering his policies. Obama in the White House is exactly where the devil wants to plant his man to prevent the most powerful nation on earth from preventing this Caliphate to rise and consume much flesh as it is attempting to do already.


- Walid Shoebot

Blogger Bobo #117 May 27, 2015 11:21 PM  

“English, Scottish, Scots-Irish and the Dutch built this country in the 1600s, not blacks in the 1800s.”

"Built the country in large part to black labor."

Large part?

"That’s a lofty claim that requires evidence. Care to elaborate?"

Blogger RC May 27, 2015 11:38 PM  

Bobo, why did you leave the gold?

Blogger David-093 May 27, 2015 11:49 PM  

"Yes yes. We have heard it before. VD thinks non westerners are too Dunb to maintain a Republic like the U.S. When they are a majority."

And non-Westerners continue to steadfastly prove him right. Look, it's really just this simple: if they were capable of doing so they would have done so in their own countries. They have not, ergo, they can't.

"Fine! What's the solution, VD? Furthermore, what's your solution to America housing all these blacks that you also believe Are incapable of maintaining the U.S,?"

Deport them. Not speaking for VD here, but that would be my solution for the ones incapable of behaving, which is at least a third.

"Built the country in large part to black labor."

The nation itself and it's culture was conceived, built, and established in the 1600s by the colonization and intermingly of English, Scottish, Scots-Irish, and Dutch who left the Old World for the American colonies. Black slave labor helped in part from the late-1700s to the mid-1800s, at which point the North promptly destroyed the South. So the South had to rebuild practically from scratch. And so, once again, the country was built by English, Scottish, Scots-Irish, and Dutch.

"Thanks for indoctrinating me."

You're weak-minded, so it wasn't hard.

Anonymous Wyrd May 27, 2015 11:56 PM  

Also on the same OT but not so much. When Obama and the leader of Turkey, Erdogan, have private conversations, many of which have been photographed, what language do they speak?
Erdogan does not speak English. Obama does not speak Turkic.
How do they communicate?


The same Reagan and Gorbachev did: Telepathy.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 28, 2015 12:00 AM  

zen0: "Erdogan does not speak English. Obama does not speak Turkic. How do they communicate?"

However one communicates in a Turkish bath house, would be my guess.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist May 28, 2015 12:06 AM  

“You seem to think that asserting things makes them true.’

I wasn’t making an assertion. I was stating facts.


“The first sentence doesn't follow from the second.”

You clearly do not understand the word “blended”. By intermarrying, Germans and the Irish incorporate their customs and/or adopt the dominant cultures customs. By forming businesses, Germans and the Irish gain customers from different ethnic groups. By becoming politicians, they are recognized as leaders from all walks of life. I know, logic is difficult for you to grasp.



“I live near a German/Irish town, and the Germans and Irish still have separate festivals. They get along okay, but after more than a century, they still aren't "seamlessly blended." The seams are still visible.”

Really, that is your conclusion? Because Germans and the Irish have separate festivals, that is definitive proof that they have yet to blend in. Amazing powers of deduction you possess.


“They don't agree to the same laws and customs, so irrelevant.”

Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify.


“But make German-Americans share a city park with Mexican-Americans and see how much their customs are the same.”

During Memorial Day, both groups worked hand in hand honoring those who served their country to enable them to enjoy liberty. During the Fourth of July, both groups will, among other things “American”, sing the national anthem, speak English, grill out, and drink beer. Do you even travel outside your neck of the woods to witness these common events?


“an ally is someone you unite with for a particular purpose, so by definition you can't already be thoroughly united.”

Americans become thoroughly united by their common bond of willingly learning the history of our country and by honoring its laws and traditions. You really have problems defining terms.


“But now this conversation has gotten so stupid that I'm embarrassed to be involved in it, so I guess you'll get the last word. Congratulations.”

A gamma tell on your part. Bizarre.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist May 28, 2015 12:20 AM  

“Deport them. Not speaking for VD here, but that would be my solution for the ones incapable of behaving, which is at least a third.”

How do you propose to put forth that solution given the fact that blacks, as citizens, have certain rights? What metrics are involved when determining “the ones incapable of behaving”? Would not that criteria also fit members from different races? How would you address the inevitable backlash should your wild plan actually be put into place?


“The nation itself and it's culture was conceived, built, and established in the 1600s by the colonization and intermingly of English, Scottish, Scots-Irish, and Dutch who left the Old World for the American colonies.”

You are conveniently forgetting Spanish, French, and Swedish/Finnish settlements.


“Black slave labor helped in part from the late-1700s to the mid-1800s, at which point the North promptly destroyed the South.”

Helped in part? Your ignorance of history astounds me. The driving force of the southern economy was cash crops that required intensive labor. Plantation owners generated enormous profits by not having to pay wages to workers; their workers were considered valuable commodities that could be purchased and sold.


“So the South had to rebuild practically from scratch. And so, once again, the country was built by English, Scottish, Scots-Irish, and Dutch.”

The South after the Civil War was rebuilt by Americans.


“You're weak-minded, so it wasn't hard.”

Obviously, you don’t comprehend sarcasm. Doesn’t surprise me. Aspies like yourself have their own unique set of challenges.

Anonymous The other robot May 28, 2015 12:21 AM  

How much has the elimination of the corrupting influences of the Emperors in China improved the ability of China to build a world-class technology and military?

How much has the introduction of large amounts of black and minority corruption in the US reduced the ability of the US to maintain a world-class technology and military?

When is the cross-over point?

Anonymous Discard May 28, 2015 12:37 AM  

I just got here, but with Yankee Imperialist on the scene, I know the score anyway.
You're full of shit. I'm from Los Angeles. Mexicans do not work hand in hand with Germans. Germans, and other Whites pay high premiums to live in non-Mexican neighborhoods. Money talks truth, and blabbering about diversity doesn't change the facts.
Just last weekend a man I know, who actually uses the word "diversity" as in "I prefer diversity", was saying how he was glad his kid got into the magnet (read: public segregated) high school, because other wise he'd have to pay tuition at a private school. Get that? He would pay tens of thousands of his own hard-earned dollars to keep his kid away from the Armenians and Filipinos and Mexicans in Glendale. He's a good liberal and works in the movie business, and his wallet is more honest than his mouth or your keyboard. He's only one man, but he's typical of his kind, as White property values and the popularity of private schools show. OTOH, Mexicans who learn our history or honor our laws and traditions are not typical of their kind, as barrio property values and the failing public schools show.

Got to go, have a very busy week ahead, so I can't stick around to wipe your butt for you. Bye, Yankee

Anonymous Discard May 28, 2015 1:13 AM  

I used to explain "American" culture to Armenians as smiler to Soviet culture. Completely synthetic and foisted upon the people by a media monopoly. The older Armenians understood immediately. That is the "culture" that the foreigners are assimilating to, and that is why the SJWS are happy with it.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 1:20 AM  

"How do you propose to put forth that solution given the fact that blacks, as citizens, have certain rights?"

The same way that it'll be forth to deal with progressives: force.

"What metrics are involved when determining “the ones incapable of behaving”? Would not that criteria also fit members from different races? How would you address the inevitable backlash should your wild plan actually be put into place?""

I would focus first and foremost on liberals in this grand scheme. Once they're no longer any trouble, blacks won't be either, be it because they identify as Americans and leave peaceably or because we won't have to worry about sending them home. As for what criteria, it really just depends on what kinda mood I'm in at the time. Idiot.

"You are conveniently forgetting Spanish, French, and Swedish/Finnish settlements."

I wasn't forgetting them. I was simply not including them. French involvement in the United States was essential during the American Revolution, but that's about it. Spanish? They were essential in getting out of Florida.

"Helped in part? Your ignorance of history astounds me. The driving force of the southern economy was cash crops that required intensive labor. Plantation owners generated enormous profits by not having to pay wages to workers; their workers were considered valuable commodities that could be purchased and sold."

Listen retard, the South wasn't the only part of the country and blacks weren't the only people working. Mechanized farming was already beginning to replace slave work in the South. Slavery was an incredibly expensive system to maintain that was already on the way out by the time of the Civil War. And the overwhelming majority of Southern citizens, who were a minority of the American population anyway, never owned slaves to begin with.

"The South after the Civil War was rebuilt by Americans."

You really are as slow as I thought, then.

"Obviously, you don’t comprehend sarcasm. Doesn’t surprise me. Aspies like yourself have their own unique set of challenges."

I'm overwhelmed by your eloquence. Truly I'm arguing with an equal here.

Anonymous John D May 28, 2015 1:51 AM  

“That's what we're getting now: big lumps of immigrants spoiling the broth because they don't mix in.”

Initially. But given the right temperature and an experienced cook, they meld in just fine."


Yes, Blacks in America are a tremendous example of how well they meld right in. More of that can only enrich us even more.

Anonymous 11B May 28, 2015 2:12 AM  

For grins, here is Yuji Aida in 1991 writing an opinion in the Chicago Tribune on this subject. What is even funnier is the response a week later by a hispanic activist assuring the public that hispanics were ready for the high-tech work force.

After 24 years is there any doubt who was right?

Blogger kudzu bob May 28, 2015 2:51 AM  

@Thucydides

I will challenge this by pointing out that African immigrants tend to do far better than African-Americans. There is nothing genetic or magical about this, but rather cultural.

You just made a rookie mistake of that sort that people who know nothing about HBD make all the time. What you "believe" about the magical effects of culture is nonsense, just like Lysenko's belief that he could transform winter wheat into spring wheat by altering its environment.

Higher-IQ Africans (I refer to the ones who aren't mere refugees) are more far more likely to have the money to get to America and the ability to deal with immigration-related paperwork than are other Africans.

Or to put it another way, blacks in the US military do pretty well compared to black civilians. This is because the minimum IQ required to enlist is, according to Wikipedia, 85. Unfortunately, that means that roughly half of all American blacks have IQs lower than that.

In both cases we are talking about people who already have a genetic leg up on their cousins.

A bonus example: White American children at the lowest socioeconomic levels still score higher on IQ tests than do black American children who come from the highest socioeconomic levels. This too is utterly inconsistent with your "beliefs," which really should be referred to as your "wishes."

Physics is prior to chemistry, chemistry is prior to biology, and biology is prior to culture.

Anonymous A. Nonymous May 28, 2015 3:54 AM  

Thank you for confirming my suspicions. And for making it clear that to papists Protestants, even the Orthodox, are not part of the "true" church.

Heretics gonna heretic.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 28, 2015 4:01 AM  

Yep and they eventually assimilated much better (with some obvious exceptions like the Amish) than the later waves of German immigrants who tended to be openly leftist.

Pardon me for I've said this before, but it's still relevant to I write it again. There are differences between ethnic groups, and differences within ethnic groups. An aptitude for freedom has a large genetic component: not every human brain is equally intelligent and not every human brain is equally capable of accepting the level of personal responsibility necessary to function as a free man. The English have a higher percentage of "high personal responsibility" (High-PR) people, but all ethnic groups have some members that quality.

In the 16th and 17th Centuries, when America was a wilderness where you could either make your fortune or meet your death depending on your luck and skill, and you would have very little in the way of what today we call "social services", it attracted high-PR types - mostly from England, but the non-english who came back then tended to be more like Englishmen in regards to personal freedom et al. It wasn't the sort of place that attracted rabbits then.

But sometime in the early 19th Century, America was no longer such a risky gamble. It was a civilized place with cities and masses that the less responsible could melt into and loach off of. The sort of immigrants who came after then were different, more prone to socialism and less competent at freedom. Even though some of them came from the same ethnic groups as the first wave, they weren't from the same place on their ethnic group's Bell Curve.

Anonymous Stilicho May 28, 2015 5:39 AM  

The problem with socialist immigration schemes is that you eventually run out of other people's neighborhoods

Anonymous Bitterclinger May 28, 2015 6:22 AM  

Test post to see if this works. Feel free to delete.

Blogger Bobo #117 May 28, 2015 6:31 AM  

@RC
"Bobo, why did you leave the gold?"

Logistics of transport. Left my mom a pile, sold the rest, I now have a good (gringo) gold & silver dealer in San Jose, so I've re-supplied.
Can't get my guns (legally) till residency comes thru.

Anonymous Bitterclinger May 28, 2015 7:00 AM  

Bard - I had an interesting Appalachian experience this past weekend. I'm a Yankee (boo, hiss!) who would love to move south, but stay so my children are raised with family. We have a good chunk of land (by NE standards) at the extreme northern reach of Appalachia and spent the weekend at our camp with friends who are your typical Yankee liberals who believe themselves somewhat conservative. Sunday night we got word from a neighbor that one of the locals was being pursued by deputies throught the forest near our property. This good ole boy has a history of torching the property of people who wronged him. Anyway, my BIL and I loaded our rifles and had them slinged while making dinner and watching the kids play (we had to have the rifles on our shoulder because the liberals' kids are not well behaved). Our liberal friends were polite, but I could tell they thought we were paranoid.

Anyway, good times in Appalachia.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist May 28, 2015 7:02 AM  

“The same way that it'll be forth to deal with progressives: force.”

Internet tough guy alert.


“I would focus first and foremost on liberals in this grand scheme. Once they're no longer any trouble, blacks won't be either, be it because they identify as Americans and leave peaceably or because we won't have to worry about sending them home. As for what criteria, it really just depends on what kinda mood I'm in at the time. Idiot.”

The only idiot here is you by deluding yourself that this plan has any traction.


“I wasn't forgetting them. I was simply not including them.”


A further display of your ignorance of American history.


“Slavery was an incredibly expensive system to maintain that was already on the way out by the time of the Civil War.”

“Mechanized farming was already beginning to replace slave work in the South.”


Refer to the link below which destroys your claims.

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/was-slavery-on-the-way-out/


“An aptitude for freedom has a large genetic component: not every human brain is equally intelligent and not every human brain is equally capable of accepting the level of personal responsibility necessary to function as a free man.”

Now, I imagine you are able to offer citations in support of your thesis, unless you simply put forth scientific bullshit. Because based on this metric, those European groups that engaged in slavery were genetically inferior.

Anonymous Just Some Guy May 28, 2015 8:13 AM  

Jourdan: un Estados Unidos para estadounidenses?

Me: No. un Estados Unidos para estadounidenses euroamericanos ("whites").

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 9:13 AM  


“An aptitude for freedom has a large genetic component: not every human brain is equally intelligent and not every human brain is equally capable of accepting the level of personal responsibility necessary to function as a free man.”

Now, I imagine you are able to offer citations in support of your thesis, unless you simply put forth scientific bullshit. Because based on this metric, those European groups that engaged in slavery were genetically inferior.

Window licking, nature or nurture?

Anonymous The other robot May 28, 2015 10:13 AM  

Whoa, that link be some powerful stuff. Can you smoke it?

Blogger Anthony May 28, 2015 10:18 AM  

Thucydides, kudzu bob is right. It's hard to get to the U.S. from Africa, so even the refugees we get are above average (for Africa). Fortunately, American blacks really don't like Africans, so Africans don't try to assimilate to black American culture. This means that, even though the descendants of the immigrants will revert to their population mean's genetic potential, (a) the genetic potential of Africans is higher than the actual results in Africa, because conditions in Africa fuck people up (one season of near-starvation as a kid can permanently depress your IQ, a lot) (b) adopting white American cultural values works better for society even for people who aren't as productive as white Americans.

Blogger Anthony May 28, 2015 10:26 AM  

Regarding The South: In the 1920s, Mississippi had less than one-fifth the per-capita income as New York. In New York, there was an endless supply of cheap immigrant labor (before 1924) but they were involved in building up industry. In Mississippi, there was a large supply of cheap labor, which were prevented from "rising above their station" by law. But all the elites of Mississippi did with that cheap labor was to raise crops the same way they did when blacks were slaves. And so even the elites were poor by New York standards. Had the elites of Mississippi valued getting rich, or uplifting their poorer white cousins, Mississippi would have been wealthier overall. \

Even with heavily exploited labor, Mississippi didn't actually build anything.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 28, 2015 10:39 AM  

Bobo
"... Costa Rica ... from Houston in 3."

Yep. And that will be an issue if large enough numbers begin to arrive there.

Personally, Costa Rica, the Caribbean side, is definitively more to my liking.

Anonymous Quartermaster May 28, 2015 11:18 AM  

“Also, I'm curious about what the negative impact Germans had on the U.S. I'm familiar with what the Irish, Polish, and Italians did to our cities but have never heard much about the harm German did.”

The early Germans were OK. They were taking advantage of plentiful, cheap land, to make a new life for themselves. The early wave settled the Mohawk Valley of New York and large areas of Pennsylvania.

The later wave came as a result of the failure of the revolution of 1848. A number of its leaders barely got out just before the Kaiser was able to lay hands on them. That would have resulted in the execution of most of them. Many became leaders in the Yankee Army in Lincoln’s War. The north was able to sustain its Army by recruiting in Germany and Ireland. There was, as I recall, one brigade in the Yankee Army that did not speak English.
The later waves were also more given to the German idea of ordnung and gave far too much reverence to government. These people were tailor made for Lincoln’s north, and we still a strong streak of this throughout the north, with special emphasis on New Jersey and States north.

“I always appreciate it when someone says something so utterly stupid and banal that he disqualifies himself from receiving any further attention. "Reform education" is one of those phrases. Saves loads of time.”

Don’t choke on the irony.

“Shockingly, the MSM completely avoided mentioned the race of the 3 guys who attacked this South Mississippi cop. Fortunately, his dog saved him. I'm guessing the perpetrators were violent Norwegian exchange students who use razors as a weapon of choice.”

C’mon. You know they were Lutherans. Why are you trying to hide it?

““Slavery was an incredibly expensive system to maintain that was already on the way out by the time of the Civil War.”

“Mechanized farming was already beginning to replace slave work in the South.”

Refer to the link below which destroys your claims.

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/was-slavery-on-the-way-out/”

What goes unsaid is the large amount of speculation and estimating that is in the studies he cites. The very fact that the price of slaves was increasing was making slavery uneconomic. As it was, better than 80% of the production of slaves was consumed by the slaves themselves.

Unsaid is what happened to slavery in the rest of western civilization within 20 years of Lincoln’s election. Abolition is one of the excuses used for Lincoln’s war, but slavery was on the way out when Lincoln was elected, notwithstanding the so called analysis at the blog above. It would not have lasted another 20 years. The end was the intention of the founders when they included the constitutional prohibition on the import of slaves after 1808. The ending of the transatlantic slave trade by the Royal Navy is what ended it in the rest of the Americas. Slaves were simply too expensive for the system to continue. Economics killed it, just as it did in the north. It certainly wasn’t morality, because most northern slaves were sold south.

One is also forced to ask if slavery was so efficient then why can’t it withstand the spread of free labor as the blog owner purports to show in his essay?

Anonymous Jack Amok May 28, 2015 11:29 AM  

Now, I imagine you are able to offer citations in support of your thesis,

Of course I can, but you wouldn't be capable of understanding any of them, as shown by your next comment.

Because based on this metric, those European groups that engaged in slavery were genetically inferior.

An aptitude for your own freedom is not at all that same as an aptitude for making other people free, but the rabbits of the world who can't tell the difference have made a cargo cult of emancipating others by enslaving themselves.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 28, 2015 5:54 PM  

Hey Yankee Imperialist, I hope you live in the Rotten Apple. I'd love to take a bat and knock your balls out of Park Avenue West, but I don't want you to miss it when the Ayatollah of Stonin' Imams shows you why its bad to bet on black.
What's the appeal of these dark heathens? Is it the ingratitude? The clueless hatred of anything White? It must bring fond memories of your youth in Tel Aviv back to see all of this. However, its not the important part of this story at all. Its when the Weimar Republic crashes and burns from Hyperinflation and Hitler wins the election that is the Climax of this tale as old as Time...

Blogger Bobo #117 May 28, 2015 6:55 PM  

@Jaime
" Personally, Costa Rica, the Caribbean side, is definitively more to my liking."

That side is a little too "vibrant".
Our side has gringo inflation, it prices-out the riff-raff.
Except for me...

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist May 28, 2015 11:10 PM  

“Of course I can, but you wouldn't be capable of understanding any of them, as shown by your next comment.”

Doesn’t work that way, Jack. You made a lofty claim. I am asking for specific links that offer proof of your assertion. Quit stalling like a gamma.


“An aptitude for your own freedom is not at all that same as an aptitude for making other people free.”

Diversionary tactic on your part. Not falling for your SJW technique.

What specific studies have indicated that there “an aptitude for freedom has a large genetic component”? What are the biological metrics as stated in those studies regarding “high personal responsibility”?


"I'd love to take a bat and knock your balls out of Park Avenue West..."

I'll keep that in mind, arm chair warrior.

Anonymous Discard May 28, 2015 11:37 PM  

Yankee Imp is much given to making demands for academic style "proof" of one thing or another, and disqualifying those who won't play the dissertation game. You know that scholars lie, don't you, Imp?

And while we're at it, define "Yankee" and "imperialist". Good unambiguous definitions that everyone can accept, the sort of definitions that you so often demand of others.

Piss off, squirt.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 29, 2015 12:45 AM  

Doesn’t work that way, Jack. You made a lofty claim. I am asking for specific links that offer proof of your assertion. Quit stalling like a gamma.

Links? There's nothing to spoon-feed a drooling midwit. You're going to have to earn it with brainpower and pattern recognition, if you are - which I doubt - even capable of it. To start with, read a book called The Hypomanic Edge. Next, build a table of Bipolar Disorder diagnosis rate by country, and cross-reference that against the ethnic composition of each country so you can get a rough estimate of ethnic propensity for manic-depressive disorder. You'll have to do some guesswork as not every country is equal in their reporting rates. You might want to start with doing it by US state and limiting your initial analysis to the major ethnic groups represented in the US.

Then tell me what you see.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 29, 2015 12:54 AM  

Diversionary tactic on your part. Not falling for your SJW technique.

What specific studies have indicated that there “an aptitude for freedom has a large genetic component”? What are the biological metrics as stated in those studies regarding “high personal responsibility”?


Studies. Yeah, right. I'm no parroting someone else's PhD paper, I'm seeing the world and what's in it.

Last week there was a thread on intelligence and what the difference is between a sub-145 and supra-145 IQ. Well, here is one of the differences. 145+ understand things that someone else hasn't already written a paper about. Midwits don't really understand how that can be, and tend to think those people are just crazy or full of bullshit.

So, Yankee, am I crazy?

Blogger Marissa May 29, 2015 1:06 PM  

The late 1840s brought the Marxist scum fleeing from the revolutions. They were big supporters of Lincoln.

I'd like to read more about that - any good books you can recommend? I've learned only a bit about the European events during the 1840s and it's a pretty tantalizing subject.

Anonymous Discard May 29, 2015 6:05 PM  

Marissa: "1848: Year of Revolution", by Mike Rapport. I've not yet read it, but it looks to be OK, as long as you don't assume even-handedness on the author's part.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist May 29, 2015 6:31 PM  

“145+ understand things that someone else hasn't already written a paper about. Midwits don't really understand how that can be, and tend to think those people are just crazy or full of bullshit.”

See, as a person with a SUPPOSED superior IQ, there would be an obligation on your part to enlighten mid-wits with your knowledge by breaking down your perspective in terms that even they can understand. Rather, you are merely conducting an intellectual wild goose chase. You offer into “evidence” a book that, while interesting, is merely anecdotal in nature from the perspective of a psychologist (!) that describes America’s inventions are the result of bi-polar immigrants, which is entirely irrelevant to your claims.

What specific studies have indicated that “an aptitude for freedom has a large genetic component”? What are the biological metrics as stated in those studies regarding “high personal responsibility”?

Now, the author of the book states that hypomanics can come across as self-important and obnoxious, two criteria you observably meet.


“So, Yankee, am I crazy??

What you are is a scared little gamma rabbit, hopping away from an opportunity to “educate” an apparent “midwit”.

Anonymous Discard May 29, 2015 10:09 PM  

Imp: Here you are, a horse at the water trough, but you won't drink. I've seen you go through your routine here before, and you're about as educable as a ghetto rat. You make ceaseless demands for others to meet some criteria of credibility or other, you always find fault with whatever evidence is presented to you, and yet you refuse to define your own terms or document your own case. So fuck you, you little twat.

There is no obligation on the part of anyone to attempt to teach the unwilling, but I'll give you a chance. Read VD's post from May 18, "The Excluded". Them come back and tell everyone how people who can't get an idea into your thick little skull must not be very smart.

And if you want to learn something about a genetic aptitude for creating free societies, read up on the Hajnal line.

"Scared little gamma rabbit"? Well, same to you and more of it.

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts