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Sunday, May 10, 2015

Child Protection Stasi in action

This abuse of government authority has got to stop, and stop immediately.
Police seized 10 kids from their rural Kentucky home after receiving an anonymous tip to investigate the family's “off the grid” lifestyle.

Joe Naugler happened to be away with eight of his children when the authorities arrived on the scene. Nicole Naugler, who happens to be five months pregnant, took their oldest children with her to drive away, but the authorities stopped her and took took them. She was arrested for “disorderly conduct and resisting arrest,” but she claims she was arrested after not allowing the officers to take her children without a "fight." Officers told her husband he needed to hand over the other children or face felony charges, and he complied.

Pace Ellsworth, a family friend, said he believes the Nauglers were targeted because the government disagrees with their “free” lifestyle of “unschooling,” which focuses on learning through life experience and each child’s individual strengths.

The children have been placed in four different homes in four different counties that CPS chose. On Friday morning, officials inspected the Naugler's home and concluded that they did, in fact, have good living conditions.

The Nauglers are hopeful to get their kids back. The family will find out the specific reason their kids were taken at an upcoming court hearing, but it’s hard to believe how EASY it was for the authorities to take their kids. This was all based on a baseless, anonymous tip.
There is absolutely no excuse or justification for this sort of thing. Every policeman and CPS agent involved should be arrested and tried for kidnapping. Whatever happened to Blackstone's Formulation and the principle "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"?

The Child Protection Stasi aren't protecting children. They are abusing them.

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98 Comments:

Blogger Rabbi B May 10, 2015 1:27 PM  

"Every policeman and CPS agent involved should be arrested and tried for kidnapping."

Don't forget to include the "anonymous" tipper. There is a Torah principle that whoever provides false testimony against someone else, the harm that the false witness intended should be re-directed against them.

Anonymous Ras Al Ghul May 10, 2015 1:29 PM  

There should not be CPS at all. And the government should not be involved in deciding how people raise their children.

The greatest evils are done "for the children"

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 10, 2015 1:29 PM  

Unfortunately, the only reliable way to stop this is violence. All other avenues of resisting this level of totalitarianism have met with abysmal failure.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 10, 2015 1:35 PM  

Anyone have any good book on the French Revolution, because this whole deal, especially the anonymous tip, reminds me of a Bill Whittle video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dwz_Z62e0s

"J'accuse... I accuse you."

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I May 10, 2015 1:35 PM  

Acting Under Color of Law

In Michigan, it's a five year felony and I'm sure that Kentucky has something similar on the books.

I had a run in with the local ordinance nazi - Officer Ring And Run. He thought he could command me to repair a leaky vehicle. He claimed someone called it in, I demanded to know who. He claimed he couldn't tell me as they don't keep records. I went on yo challenge him about the ordinance in question to which he replied, "I don't have time to look it up."

Funny thing is after that call, he never followed up.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2015 1:40 PM  

Those involved with such things should be shunned by neighbors, family & community. This is how a social change occurs (in both directions): what is accepted persists.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 10, 2015 1:41 PM  

Now, I'm not saying this situation isn't possible or even right, but something tells me there may be a bit more to come for this story.

Blogger buwaya puti May 10, 2015 1:41 PM  

He seems to have been arguing with neighbors over wells and water rights. In the old days such arguments would have been conducted with different weapons. This modern weapon is particularly dishonorable.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2015 1:42 PM  

CPS is of course the Social Worker agency, and these are often people too clueless about children for words to describe.

They are also 100% true believers in statism.

Anonymous EH May 10, 2015 1:43 PM  

There is much more to this story. See: Here Are 7 Surprising Things You Need to Know About Joe and Nicole Naugler. The kids look ok, but the housing is very poor, a 3-wall lean-to with all the kids sleeping together on one long platform. Other local homeschooling families, including unschoolers have shunned the parents for being "scary" and untrustworthy. I wouldn't quite call the evidence on that link proof of neglect, but certainly grounds for a an investigation and close to enough for temporary foster care pending investigation.

Anonymous clk May 10, 2015 1:45 PM  

http://kathrynbrightbill.com/post/118481565656/here-are-7-surprising-things-you-need-to-know

Its a very interesting story.... these particular home schoolers might not be the poster parents of good home schooling..

Blogger Josh May 10, 2015 1:46 PM  

Its a very interesting story.... these particular home schoolers might not be the poster parents of good home schooling..

Reminds me of the neck beard idiots who open carry AR15s at Chipotle.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2015 1:48 PM  

Not surprised at the rogue LDS angle

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 10, 2015 1:48 PM  

My social worker ex is as leftist as they come. The kids where probably placed in the worst homes possible because "equality".

Blogger Brad Andrews May 10, 2015 1:49 PM  

Whatever happened to Blackstone's Formulation and the principle "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"?

We have turned it around to say that it is better ten innocent persons are charge lest on guilty one get away.

We harm many children in the process.

This situation can bite you if you adopt children who come from a truly abusive background. The children will likely turn on you at some point and you will go from being an angel to being a demon.

You were the same person, but even those who should trust you will likely not trust you. The system is broke and many children (and parents) will continue to suffer until it is outright rejected for the corruption it is.

Blogger Corvinus May 10, 2015 1:49 PM  

"Every policeman and CPS agent involved should be arrested and tried for kidnapping."

Don't forget to include the "anonymous" tipper.


It was likely some fat older broad, probably childless and liberal Democrat. They're the ones who tend to bitch to CPS.

They're one major reason why I say that older childless women are like barnacles on our civilization, dragging it down into the mud.

Anonymous RJ May 10, 2015 1:57 PM  

They're not your kids.

Blogger JACIII May 10, 2015 2:00 PM  

I would be interested to see the rate of reported abuse within the foster home system.

It would not be surprising to find, as usual, predators hunt where the prey is.

Anonymous allyn71 May 10, 2015 2:02 PM  

This persecution is going to continue for all Christians and freedom loving individuals. The State isn't going to allow you to exist outside their control. People will be forced to choose between living for this world or the next. There will be no peace.

Reports are the CPS was alerted and this family was targeted because of some of their postings on a social media site. You will be monitored and harassed if you try and find a middle ground. They are targeting the more extreme cases now because they are few and easy to pick off because of their isolation but don't think that will be the end of it.

Blogger Robert What? May 10, 2015 2:02 PM  

The parents are lucky they weren't summarily executed on the spot for "resisting arrest". Officer safety, and all.

Blogger RobertT May 10, 2015 2:06 PM  

Nobody wants to tie the hands of police when they're trying to protect you, but this shit has to stop.

I had confrontations with the police that i probably deserved. But here's the experience that formed my impression of the police. Late at night 20 years ago a bike gang of about 50 bikes rumbled past our home which was in a acreage development in the country, and down the long cul de sac to a home down there. The people were gone and a few minutes later we could hear them beating on the house down there. So we called the police. They didn't come. So we called again. Got an excuse. Repeat about three times. Finally way off in the distance we could see about 25 police cars headed our way with their strobe light flashing. The bike gang simply got on their bikes & left by the same way they came in, right past the police cars hurtling our direction. The police didn't stop a single biker or slow down or turn off their strobe lights. They continued hurtling all the way to our house, strobe lights, and raced down the cul de sac where they just drove around it and and right back out. Bingo, bango, bongo. Done deal. But they're great a traffic tickets.

Anonymous allyn71 May 10, 2015 2:10 PM  

So their home isn't the norm. The kids were healthy and happy showing no signs of neglect or abuse.

150 years ago there were many folks living in these conditions or worse. Is it the norm no, is it the business of the state, no.

Blogger Salt May 10, 2015 2:11 PM  

Some of the kids don't even have SSNs. Well, dayam. Bravo, I say. These kids will be more ready and adaptable to what is coming than 99.9%. He's been driving without vehicle registration or proof of insurance. Whoop dee doo! Got them a real criminal there.

There are people living in government housing with more filth than any of that. I notice nothing is said anywhere about diseased ghetto rats.

It's for their own good by do-gooding people who know better.

Anonymous David-093 May 10, 2015 2:15 PM  

No government agency is more evil than th CPS. Out of all of them these are the ones that truly believe in what they do, and no amount appealing to their humanity or reason will ever get you your kids back.

Blogger jay c May 10, 2015 2:18 PM  

I don't care how they live. It's nobody else's freaking business.

Anonymous Difster May 10, 2015 2:20 PM  

As a few others pointed out, there is in fact more to the story. But living in shabby conditions is not a reason to put children in the hands of government.

In Round Rock, TX not too long ago, a child died in foster care who was placed there because the parents were smoking pot. That is merely one example in a long line of them.

In Florida (and likely other states) hundreds of kids in foster care cannot be located. Probably owning to some combination of covering up deaths and selling them to overseas drug traffickers.

In any event, CPS needs to be abolished and every CPS worker should be investigated for crimes.

The existence of CPS is the result of the same type of SJW entryism that we're seeing in other place, it's just far more advanced and harmful.

You cannot vote them out of existence, you cannot persuade them, nor can you reason with them. These institutions must be destroyed from the outside.

But go ahead and vote, see what that gets you.

Anonymous Asatru Heathen May 10, 2015 2:21 PM  

My wife knows these people remotely, and while we wouldn't want to live the way they do, she tells me that they are good people - enough so that we donated some of our scant resources to their legal fund.

This whole thing started off because a neighbors dog was killing their chickens. Dad warned neighbor that if he didn't keep his dog under control he would have to shoot it.

In what is surely a concidence, the CPS & police turned up shortly thereafter.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2015 2:22 PM  

I think this situation is exactly like the blue vs black riots in Ferguson and Baltimore.

Blogger Buddy E. May 10, 2015 2:25 PM  

Fact of the matter is, I know people (and I did myself) that grew up in conditions damn near this in 1980s USA. I turned out just fine, as did most of my friends. I've debated whether or not 'modern' life is worth the tradeoffs myself, to be honest. I'd have running water and septic if I did this, but I've COMPLETELY considered going off grid.

Blogger Lana Jordan May 10, 2015 2:25 PM  

The kids look ok, but the housing is very poor, a 3-wall lean-to with all the kids sleeping together on one long platform.

Then all my grandparents should have had all their children removed for abuse and neglect at one time or another. This is not abuse.

Other local homeschooling families, including unschoolers have shunned the parents for being "scary" and untrustworthy.

Some chicks in the homeschool group thought they were "scary"? This is grounds for the forcible removal of people's children now? All my children should have been removed. My husband is scary to some people.

I wouldn't quite call the evidence on that link proof of neglect, but certainly grounds for a an investigation and close to enough for temporary foster care pending investigation.

No it is not and the investigation part is a fishing expedition by CPS and cops to separate the children and find something incriminating. You do not kidnap people's children from them because something may sound, to you and some people you know, like neglect. The last place any child needs to be is in temporary foster care barring proof of serious abuse.

Anonymous allyn71 May 10, 2015 2:29 PM  

"I think this situation is exactly like the blue vs black riots in Ferguson and Baltimore." - Josh May 10, 2015 2:22 PM

In what way? How are the Nagler's like either the blue or back team in the riots. What harm have the inflicted? Where it the pattern of violence and abuse that characterized both parties involved in Baltimore or Ferguson?

Do you thin CPS should exist? Should they be able to take healthy and happy children from their parents, separating them from each other and placing them into foster care?

Anonymous trev006 May 10, 2015 2:30 PM  

I'm shocked that CPS still exists. Does the government think that Americans, especially the ones who most hate the government, love their children less than Muslims love Mohammad? How long do they expect people to stay quiet?

Anonymous David-093 May 10, 2015 2:30 PM  

"I think this situation is exactly like the blue vs black riots in Ferguson and Baltimore."

/facepalm

Because they're not perfect we completely disown them?

Blogger JACIII May 10, 2015 2:31 PM  

So a judge was caught sending kids to prison for cash in PA IIRC..... Anyone want to bet against CPS scum getting cash for providing little boys and girls to kiddie diddlers and pimps?

Anonymous Supernaut May 10, 2015 2:35 PM  

The system is broke

Au contraire, the system is working exactly how THEY want it to.

First they came for the homeschoolers....

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 May 10, 2015 2:41 PM  

Things like this lead people to push back on initiatives like Jade-Helm.

Blogger natschuster May 10, 2015 2:41 PM  

A few years ago I read about in interesting case. An Orthodox Jewish couple was approached by a 13 year old boy on the street. he told them that his parents were divorcing. the judge said that it was an unstable environment, so he ordered the boy removed and placed in a group home. In the group home, the boy was beaten on a regular basis by the other residents. The staff did nothing about it, so he ran away.The couple tried to assume temporary custody, bu the judge ordered him returned to the group home.

We have neighbor who was going through a messy divorce. The kids have lots of issues. One kids angry because there were no preztels in the house, so he called CPS. They came in the middle of the night accompanied by police. They broke down the door and took all the kids to a group home. The kids couldn't even shower unaccompanied in the group home.

When he was twelve years old, my om had issues with another boy in school. The boy's mother a notorious,ummmm, witch called CPS on us.

Blogger Nobody May 10, 2015 2:43 PM  

Ah yes, The Life and Opinions of Kathryn Elizabeth, Person!

I cannot verify the veracity of the claims, but they certainly present a different narrative than the one presented by the Nauglers.

From what I understand, there are various small lakes on the property. So why threaten the neighbor with a gun for his? I'm betting the neighbor got a case of feel do-gooder. As well as a few in the mommy group.

OpenID jeffwriting May 10, 2015 2:44 PM  

This is the tip of the CPS corruption Iceberg
[This site](http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/is-foster-care-in-the-best-interest-of-the-child/)
is one the regularly points out the CPS corruption, including how they government makes money from this.
All should remember SJW's always lie when reading an account against people who are different, and
the "government" homes the children are placed in regularly commit crimes against the kids, including sexual and physical assualt by the care takers and the other children in their 'protection'
I agree with an earlier commenter, government 'protection' is NEVER better that being with a loving, even if off, parent and siblings.

OpenID jeffwriting May 10, 2015 2:46 PM  

also, stupid HTML link setup, and spelling and grammar errors

Anonymous Jack Amok May 10, 2015 2:47 PM  

Those involved with such things should be shunned by neighbors, family & community.

S-H-U-N-N-E-D is not how you spell "hanged."

Anonymous DissidentRight May 10, 2015 2:48 PM  

Yeah, the CPS is going to be at the top of the list when it comes time to justify the execution of government monsters.

Blogger Cecil Henry May 10, 2015 2:49 PM  

What a TRAUMA for those kids to be yanked away from their family and home.

CPS never think about this--- they think about using their authority to control and dictate.

I am fed up with this --- its everywhere.

Blogger JACIII May 10, 2015 2:50 PM  

Uh-oh. I just noticed the location as Breckenridge County. Some kin own property and I have hunted there. The best man in my wedding hails from there and, unless things have changed in the last 25 years, that county is a bit "gentrified".

I recall a former elected official there sharing stories of the depravity, squalor, depravity, incest, hard drugs, and depravity (Did I stress depravity?) present at the low end of the economic spectrum. I suspect the perception of these folks got thrown into that category based upon their hippy lifestyle choices. Got quite a few dumb cop stories, too.

Lots of good God fearing folk in that county, but as always MPAI.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2015 2:51 PM  

In what way? How are the Nagler's like either the blue or back team in the riots. What harm have the inflicted? Where it the pattern of violence and abuse that characterized both parties involved in Baltimore or Ferguson?

In both cases it's bad vs bad, not good vs bad.

The crazy Mormon hippies are not exactly on the side of civilization. Just like the black ghetto welfare queens.

Do you thin CPS should exist? Should they be able to take healthy and happy children from their parents, separating them from each other and placing them into foster care?

I think that child abuse is horrific and someone needs to defend the weakest among us. I don't think the state is the best institution for doing that.

Blogger Nobody May 10, 2015 2:51 PM  

Speaking of Jade Helm, some possible motives:

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/

http://allnewspipeline.com/

Blogger Lana Jordan May 10, 2015 2:52 PM  

Speaking of corrupt systems, here is an investigative report on Kentucky CPS.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2015 2:52 PM  

/facepalm

Because they're not perfect we completely disown them?


Who is we?

I ain't on team cps or team crazy Mormon hippie.

Anonymous David-093 May 10, 2015 2:53 PM  

"So a judge was caught sending kids to prison for cash in PA IIRC..... Anyone want to bet against CPS scum getting cash for providing little boys and girls to kiddie diddlers and pimps?"

Which government agency isn't a cynically operated money laundering racket?

Blogger Jordan179 May 10, 2015 2:56 PM  

CPS in most, possibly all places, is in a corrupt relationship with Family Court and "child-farmers" -- professional foster parents who take most of the money allocated to support the children in their care for their own amusement and give the children as little as possible. The children are almost always psychologically-abused by the CPS workers and foster parents; in some cases they are also beaten or raped. The system works because it damages the children badly enough that they are unlikely to grow up strong enough to ever come back to the CPS workers or foster parents looking for revenge, legal or otherwise.

It is one of the most invidious and evil things in modern America, and indeed most modern Western socieities.

Anonymous David-093 May 10, 2015 2:58 PM  

"The crazy Mormon hippies are not exactly on the side of civilization. Just like the black ghetto welfare queens."

Neither are the folks in Appalachia, the Bayous, or any other backwater segment of the country. And yet if CPS decided to remove those folks' kids from them it would still be time to burn down their headquarters and hang the agents from lamp-posts. Don't mistake the people for the mission.

As for the blacks in Baltimore and Ferguson, I couldn't give less of a shit about what northern blacks do to liberals if you paid me too. But crazy Mormon hippies are hardly in the same category, for reasons that are abundantly obvious.

Blogger Nobody May 10, 2015 3:00 PM  

I think that child abuse is horrific and someone needs to defend the weakest among us.

I am sure we all do. But spanking a kids butt is not child abuse. (This is local) The father left some "marks". Not welts, not bleeding, some "marks". Off the kid goes with CPS. The cops said that the child will "probably" be returned to the father. You know, right after the CPS is thoroughly mind melding the kids brain.

How in G-ds name did we ever survive centuries of pre-1900?

Anonymous Difster May 10, 2015 3:04 PM  

There is no one more self-deluded, more totalitarian, or more intent on destroying liberty than the person that goes to work for the government in order to fix what's wrong with the world.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2015 3:10 PM  

But crazy Mormon hippies are hardly in the same category, for reasons that are abundantly obvious.

Why not?

Look at the rampant welfare abuse with that crazy Warren Jeff's cult. Or the ultra orthodox Jews in New York.

Anonymous allyn71 May 10, 2015 3:11 PM  

"In both cases it's bad vs bad, not good vs bad.

The crazy Mormon hippies are not exactly on the side of civilization. Just like the black ghetto welfare queens." - Josh May 10, 2015 2:51 PM

Do you support CPS taking the children into custody and separating them from their parents and siblings?

What have the anti-civilization Mormon hippy parents done that is similar to black ghetto welfare queens?

It appears to me that the parents are together and committed to their family. The appear to be taking responsibility for and raising their children. Their behavior seems very different than what is usually associated with black ghetto denizens.

"I think that child abuse is horrific and someone needs to defend the weakest among us. I don't think the state is the best institution for doing that."- Josh May 10, 2015 2:51 PM

Do you believe the Naugler's were abusing their children?

I am glad to hear you don't believe the state is the proper institution to defend the weakest among us.

Blogger Lana Jordan May 10, 2015 3:14 PM  

How in G-ds name did we ever survive centuries of pre-1900?

I read a book once where Laura Ingalls was allowed to swim unsupervised in Plum Creek and not only did her family not have indoor plumbing? They lived in a mud hut. I cannot believe Ma and Pa Ingalls were allowed to keep the children in those deplorable conditions.

Even in this century my grandparents lived with their children in a grain silo during the great depression. Please need to get a dang grip.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2015 3:15 PM  

Do you support CPS taking the children into custody and separating them from their parents and siblings?

No

What have the anti-civilization Mormon hippy parents done that is similar to black ghetto welfare queens?

The patriarch of this family has a criminal record. Passing bad checks is a crime.

Do you believe the Naugler's were abusing their children?

I don't have enough information to form an opinion.

Blogger ScuzzaMan May 10, 2015 3:23 PM  

"The Child Protection Stasi aren't protecting children. They are abusing them."

Certain lines of evidence strongly suggest they're pimping them out to politicians, judges, and other "authority" figures.

Anonymous allyn71 May 10, 2015 3:24 PM  

@ Josh

Thanks for your replies.

I don't agree with you that the anti-civilization Mormon hippies are equivalent to black ghetto welfare queens but do agree that CPS shouldn't be taking the children and state isn't the best agent to protect the weakest among us.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2015 3:26 PM  

don't agree with you that the anti-civilization Mormon hippies are equivalent to black ghetto welfare queens

I never said they were. I said they were both anti civilization, just in different ways.

Anonymous allyn71 May 10, 2015 3:31 PM  

Fair enough, thanks for the correction.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 10, 2015 3:54 PM  

Of all the evils of the left, CPS has to rank near the top. That they're not required to follow due process or produce any more evidence than neighborhood gossip, makes an ugly thing that much worse.

And it's no surprise that they divided up the children. They'll say it's because no single foster home could take that many, but it's really just an extra punishment for the family and a way to start driving them apart. The hope is that, by the time the parents prove themselves innocent and get their kids back, the kids will have been infected by the worldly influences the parents were protecting them from, and that will cause further problems for the family, maybe get the kids to leave on their own or report more "crimes."

From what I've learned about foster homes, while of course there are some good people doing it [/obligatory disclaimer], on the whole they're about as bad as the orphanages they replaced -- which were considered such hellholes they had to be shut down at any cost. Foster care will probably be worse than being with your own parents unless you're suffering from drastic physical or sexual abuse -- and maybe even then. There's no way it's better than living with caring parents in a shack, no matter how simple. As others have pointed out, that's how some of my grandparents grew up, and they were fine.

I've been predicting for awhile that a serious persecution of homeschoolers is coming. I think the left will have to do it (not that they don't want to anyway), because the schools are too essential to their indoctrination. Not only that, but people who keep their kids out of school are better able to keep them from other influences like entertainment. (I knew one family who homeschooled some kids and not others for a while, and it was obvious which kids went to school because they'd mimic things from movies and TV shows that they'd picked up from the other kids even though they didn't watch them at home.) They can afford for a weird couple percent of the population to homeschool, but they can't afford for that percentage to get high enough to seem mainstream. It's reaching the point where too many people know a homeschooling family or two and know that they aren't antisocial creeps after all. That kind of independence can't be allowed to grow too large, so we're going to see a crackdown of some sort or another -- or an attempt, anyway.

Anonymous Quartermaster May 10, 2015 3:55 PM  

CPS is a criminal enterprise and the "Police" that carry out its edicts are part of it.

I had to fight with the Georgia DFACS to get two of my grandkids away from them. I won, but it cost over a quarter million in cashed out retirement savings and lost salary. IN the process we caught the case worker in perjury and the only thing DFACS did was fire her. There were no criminal charges.

DFACS is responsible for the deaths of 200 kids in their charge over a period of less than 20 years. One had been killed by the kid's grandmother and the mother from whom the kid had been kidnapped tried to get DFACS to stop it. They ignored her and the grandmother beat the kid to death. The case worker was criminally negligent and all that happened is DFACS fired her. No criminal charges.

The state's minions rarely get brought to book for their abuses. A few are going to have to decorate lamp posts before the rest get the message.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 10, 2015 4:07 PM  

The only time something like CPS and seizure of children makes sense is when they have parents that try to turn their children gay or "transgender".

Anonymous mistaben May 10, 2015 4:12 PM  

Josh, don't go all moderate on us, man. For a while you sounded like you were DISQUALIFYING the Nauglers due to their stupidities and religion.

I sorta know Pace Ellsworth, and he and my brother know this family. Tar and feathers would only be the start of a fully appropriate response to this abusive action against this family.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 10, 2015 4:20 PM  

Next Josh will be calling for CPS to visit the homes of men who stay home while their wives work, playing video games with their sons when not drinking or shooting from motorcycles.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 10, 2015 4:22 PM  

That was rhetoric, see? Don't try to respond to it dialectically.

Blogger Guitar Man May 10, 2015 4:26 PM  

Is it possible that the anonymous tipster was the disgruntled neighbor? If so, why would he wait until the dad pissed him off to destroy their family?

Blogger Corvinus May 10, 2015 4:44 PM  

The only time something like CPS and seizure of children makes sense is when they have parents that try to turn their children gay or "transgender".

Unfortunately, CPS never persecutes fags and trannies, AFAIK.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 10, 2015 4:55 PM  

.Mormon hippies are equivalent to black ghetto welfare queens... I said they were both anti civilization, just in different ways.

These hippies neither pick my pocket or call for groids to break my arm. They have no negative affect on civilization compared to LaTrina's 21 illegitimate crack babies. I would probably prefer them as neighbors than affirmative action token blacks or moslems. Zero hedge showed that a single mom with 3 illegitimate kids leeches over $1million from taxpayers over 10 years.

He's been driving without vehicle registration or proof of insurance If there skin was the color of feces SJWs would call being arrested for that Racial Profiling.

Anyone want to bet against CPS scum getting cash for providing little boys and girls to kiddie diddlers and pimps?

SJWs want to be able to give vulnerable kids to gays. One was pestering me for a while to be a mentor despite that I said "I cant I am gay" at the start.

."I think this situation is exactly like the blue vs black riots in Ferguson and Baltimore.".

I don't see any heroin dealers, big screen TVs, Liquor stores aflame, bloodied whites, or dead bodies?

."Certain lines of evidence strongly suggest they're pimping them out to politicians, judges, and other "authority" figures.".

Those 14yo boys ,that people at the DNC snort cocaine off the penises of, have to come from somewhere.

Blogger Matt May 10, 2015 4:58 PM  

Im not from a small rural town, but I imagine there are other, more effective ways to deal with the whackjob family down the road.

Blogger James Dixon May 10, 2015 5:08 PM  

It when I read stories like this that I'm glad we never had any children. :(

And it things like this that convinced me to never even consider being a foster parent. There's no reason to make the government abuse easier.

Blogger Guitar Man May 10, 2015 5:10 PM  

Is it possible that the anonymous tipster was the disgruntled neighbor? If so, why would he wait until the dad pissed him off to destroy their family?

Anonymous Gebhardt May 10, 2015 5:19 PM  

This sort of thing happens all the time, on various scales, remember a few years ago when an anonymous tip from a repeat phone hoaxer, led to that LDS splinter faction's compound being raided, only that time unlike say, with the Branch Davidian situation, no kids were killed in the course of saving them from nonexistent abuse, hundreds of kids were taken away from their fundie Mormon families to save them from nonexistent abuse, for a year or so before the government admitted they'd screwed up.

They were all placed in foster care, where XX% percent of them were undoubtedly and for real abused, so right on, public sector.

And...as with various overhyped FOR THE CHILDREN escapades where the government comes down with full force, one way or another and ruins lives or ends them and no one is held accountable, like the McMartin Preschool inquisition or the Waco raid and etc. etc., a lot of people believe that crap with the "child brides" and whatever a few years back really happened. Nope, there weren't any child brides, as it turned out, no kids getting beaten or molested or anything else. All B.S. so we're kind of sorry. Anyways, here's your kids back, only slightly abused by employees of the State. Yes, you're welcome.

Anonymous takin' a look May 10, 2015 6:14 PM  

"McMartin Preschool inquisition"

You were doing so well until you threw that in, for whatever reason.

Ralph Underwager one of the False Memory Foundation members who influenced that case. Peter J. Freyd and his wife were co-founders after his daughter accused him of raping her as a child. Several other "expert" witnesses for the defense later turned out to be pedophiles, pedophile pornographers or at best, clueless useful idiots.

You can get a decent summary Here Dave McGowan does a great job wrapping it all up. Hundreds of children were violently raped, many of them had sexually transmitted diseases such as chlamydia and gonorrhea. genital and anal scarring, they had intimate, detailed knowledge of human viscera and perverse sexual practices. Many witnesses ended up conveniently dead.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2015 7:29 PM  

"Im not from a small rural town, but I imagine there are other, more effective ways to deal with the whackjob family down the road."

The fact that you think the whackjob family down the road needs to be dealt with is how we know you're not from a small rural town.

All families are whackjob families to someone.

Only idiot city folks think they need to be "dealt with".

Blogger Nate May 10, 2015 7:31 PM  

"The patriarch of this family has a criminal record. Passing bad checks is a crime."

congratulations. You just made 99.99% of the adult population with checking accounts a criminal.

Blogger haus frau May 10, 2015 7:41 PM  

I'm surprised no one here has mentioned the Stanley family in Arkansas. If you want a banner example for homeschool persecution they are it. Their minor children are all still in DHS custody even though they are back home for the time being. The judge forced them to accept a psychologist in their home 20 hours a week to "create harmony" as well as ordering the oldest two into public school. The police interrogated the families midwife into a detailed interview concerning Mrs. Stanley's health and birthing practices and the midwife has declined to attend the birth of their next child on the advice of her lawyer. From what I gather, CPS involvement was a plan by the older two minors and an adult brother not living at home just so they could go to public school. All of this supposedly for the use of a mineral supplement not approved by the FDA. I'm wondering if the local government saw a family with a lot of adoptable minor children and decided they would make easy targets.
http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/04/15/warrant-issuing-judge-in-stanley-children-kidnapping-case-forces-sheriff-deputy-to-reveal-documents/

Blogger Cail Corishev May 10, 2015 7:43 PM  

The fact that you think the whackjob family down the road needs to be dealt with is how we know you're not from a small rural town.

Exactly. One of the best things about living in the country is that people leave each other alone, and there's enough space to do so. If there are people you don't care for, you stay away from them and they return the favor. That doesn't mean you can't be friends with your neighbors, but you respect each other's privacy, and good fences make good neighbors.

Besides, if there's a whackjob on my road, it's probably me.

Anonymous David-093 May 10, 2015 7:50 PM  

""Im not from a small rural town, but I imagine there are other, more effective ways to deal with the whackjob family down the road.""

Yeah, it's called "being a good neighbor". You deal with them by being friendly, waving at them if you see them, and generally keeping to yourself.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 10, 2015 8:45 PM  

"congratulations. You just made 99.99% of the adult population with checking accounts a criminal."

When people talk about writing a "bad check" they usually mean writing a check on a bank account that has been closed or does not exist. Not the same as writing a "hot check" which is not a typically criminal offense if it is done unintentionally.

Anonymous gwood May 10, 2015 8:58 PM  

In Harold Covington's Northwest novels, the revolution starts over a similar situation.

Anonymous clk May 10, 2015 9:19 PM  

"I think that child abuse is horrific and someone needs to defend the weakest among us. I don't think the state is the best institution for doing that."

I think that if there is one job that falls squarely on the government as the representative of civil society is the protection of children ... starting with the fetus.... who could be more weak and deserving of protection than an unborn child. Who else could fill this role ? This is one of the main God given responsibilities of the US government ..and one that they are doing a piss poor job at.

I don't think the family here was abusing their children .. maybe they are a little odd (and I have a hard time calling them "odd" -- there are probably a 4 billion plus people on this planet who live with less) .. but I will watch and hold judgement until I know more...

Blogger Noah B #120 May 10, 2015 10:30 PM  

Just a couple of generations ago in the US there were shantytowns that made this homestead look like a suite at the Hilton. I don't see anything here that looks like valid justification for taking away these kids.

Anonymous Porkstar May 10, 2015 11:42 PM  

I said they were both anti civilization

Subsistence farming and home schooling are anti-civilization?

What do they have to do, Josh? Register their fucking chickens with the Chamber of Commerce?

Anonymous rho May 11, 2015 3:57 AM  

Subsistence farming and home schooling are anti-civilization?

What do they have to do, Josh? Register their fucking chickens with the Chamber of Commerce?


It's 2015, not 1815--you do not have to live in a hovel, nor raise 10 children in one to work 80 acres of farmland. BTW, they have a chest freezer and generator, likely built in China. I'm not so sure how "off the grid" they are. They're clearly within walking distance of a Sam's Club.

(Assuming they humped the freezer and generator overland on a human-powered sledge. Which they didn't. Dad got busted on driving without a license.)

CPS can be evil for purely prosaic reasons. There's no need to find bizarre edge cases to prove your point. If you need weird examples like these fruitcakes to be right, you're probably in the wrong.

Blogger James Dixon May 11, 2015 5:17 AM  

> It's 2015, not 1815-

Rho, there are places in the US that didn't have indoor plumbing and indoor running water int he 1960's.

Blogger rho May 11, 2015 5:36 AM  

Rho, there are places in the US that didn't have indoor plumbing and indoor running water int he 1960's.

Yes. So?

Anonymous Laz May 11, 2015 6:04 AM  

CPS preys on poor people because they can't pay for legal representation. Which makes their job easier and keeps those federal dollars coming in.

The one time a CPS worker came to my door with the constable, I asked for her warrant and when she said she didn't have one I slammed the door in their faces. I haven't heard from CPS since. I don't know how it is in KY but, here in TX they have to have a warrant to enter your property. I've made sure all my friends know this.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 11, 2015 7:03 AM  

Yes. So?

If you need it spelled out: "civilization" is not indoor plumbing. It's things like the sanctity of the family, private property rights, due process, and charity for one's neighbors.

Anonymous Porky May 11, 2015 7:33 AM  

It's 2015, not 1815--you do not have to live in a hovel, nor raise 10 children in one to work 80 acres of farmland.

What if you like living in a hovel? What if you like to have ten children? What if your kids are happy on a big farm?

In the family portrait they posted, everyone seems to be smiling, clean, and well behaved including the dogs. And they refer to themselves as "blessed". Who the hell are you to tell them they "don't have to live that way"?

Anonymous Joseph Dooley May 11, 2015 8:01 AM  

This happened in Arkansas a few months ago with a large family like the Nauglers. The ostensible reason was the father had a water purifying substance that was supposedly dangerous but nonetheless govt-approved. The children were back in the parents' custody within 3 months.

Since children are now the product of govt-incentivized technocracy as much as natural biological heterosexual fertility, the status of parents will increasingly be licensed by the state.

Blogger Akulkis May 11, 2015 11:12 AM  

"It was likely some fat older broad, probably childless and liberal Democrat. They're the ones who tend to bitch to CPS.


They're one major reason why I say that older childless women are like barnacles on our civilization, dragging it down into the mud."


This is probably why witches in fairy tales are ALWAYS childless older women. They tend to hate civilization, and especially children and those who have children.

Blogger Marissa May 11, 2015 11:53 AM  

This is probably why witches in fairy tales are ALWAYS childless older women. They tend to hate civilization, and especially children and those who have children.

This might be one of the causes of the supposed "witch hunts" in medieval times -- old, childless women cooking up abortifacients for willing and unwilling pregnant women. I wish I could find more information about it, but most historians covering this period are sympathetic to the witches.

Blogger Owen May 11, 2015 12:10 PM  

CPS preys on poor people because they can't pay for legal representation.

This.

This is the result of more powerful government.

If you have no resources, they will control you.
If you have resources to fight, they will drain them.
If you have resources to win, they leave you alone.

Blogger haus frau May 11, 2015 2:12 PM  

This happened in Arkansas a few months ago with a large family like the Nauglers. The ostensible reason was the father had a water purifying substance that was supposedly dangerous but nonetheless govt-approved. The children were back in the parents' custody within 3 months.


This is the Stanley family. CPS still retains custody of those children and continues to harass the family to a ridiculous extent. See my post above. If there were not so much internet attention on this case the kids would likely still be in foster homes.

Blogger ChicagoRefugee May 11, 2015 7:05 PM  

I think we're all missing something here: CPS is probably under considerable pressure to avoid "disparate impact" in child snatching. Therefore, they need more pasty-skinned kids in the system to avoid being tagged as raaacist. After all, all groups are equal at all things, right?

Blogger James Dixon May 11, 2015 8:32 PM  

> Yes. So?

So living in what you consider a "hovel" is neither a crime nor child abuse. I've seen worse in my lifetime.

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