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Friday, May 15, 2015

Christianity: the predictive model

It's somewhat remarkable that so many people refuse to grant the Bible any credence when it is observably the single greatest long-term predictive document ever known to Man:
 A proposed new law in Denmark could be the first step towards an economic revolution that sees physical currencies and normal bank accounts abolished and gives governments futuristic new tools to fight the cycle of “boom and bust”.

The Danish proposal sounds innocuous enough on the surface – it would simply allow shops to refuse payments in cash and insist that customers use contactless debit cards or some other means of electronic payment.

Officially, the aim is to ease “administrative and financial burdens”, such as the cost of hiring a security service to send cash to the bank, and is part of a programme of reforms aimed at boosting growth – there is evidence that high cash usage in an economy acts as a drag.

But the move could be a key moment in the advent of “cashless societies”. And once all money exists only in bank accounts – monitored, or even directly controlled by the government – the authorities will be able to encourage us to spend more when the economy slows, or spend less when it is overheating.
The idea that "high cash usage" in an economy acts as a drag is absolutely and utterly absurd when examined from the perspective of several economic schools. Even the Keynesian school, which will be in favor of banning cash in favor of more easily manufactured nonexistent numbers, teaches that Savings = Investment. Is getting rid of savings, and therefore investment, really going to strengthen the economy?

What this is really designed to do is to address the problem seen in the chart from yesterday's post that shows the massive decline in debt growth from 1985 to 2015. As the production of credit money declines with the inability of consumers and corporations to take on more debt, other less productive sources are being tapped to keep the government beast alive. Hence their pursuit of even the coins under granny's couch.

The real nightmare isn't the economic abomination of the authorities playing a disastrous push-pull with the entirety of the money supply, though, it is the establishment of the infrastructure for the long-predicted Mark of the Beast. And it would be very interesting to hear a disbeliever explain how such an unlikely creation could have been envisioned so clearly nearly two thousand years ago.

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Blogger The Observer May 15, 2015 12:14 PM  

When I've heard this brought up, the answer from unbelievers is either a) that everything from ATMs to credit cards have been predicted to be the Mark of the Beast and it still hasn't happened, b) that Christians are merely taking current events and retrofitting events from the Bible to fit them, or c) the Bible is so vague that anything could be taken as the Mark, "it didn't say 'little cards of stiff material that people swipe to pay for goods', so you're wrong."

Not sure how well those arguments hold up, I've never really thought about it, but that's what I've come across.

Blogger Student in Blue May 15, 2015 12:14 PM  

'Cashless societies are great! There's no way it can go wrong!'

A determined hacker can make it go wrong.

This is like an unintentional shift of power from people who don't understand technology to those who do... by those who don't understand technology.

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma May 15, 2015 12:15 PM  

Revelation 13:16-18: "It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666."

Anonymous David-093 May 15, 2015 12:20 PM  

"When I've heard this brought up, the answer from unbelievers is either a) that everything from ATMs to credit cards have been predicted to be the Mark of the Beast and it still hasn't happened, b) that Christians are merely taking current events and retrofitting events from the Bible to fit them, or c) the Bible is so vague that anything could be taken as the Mark, "it didn't say 'little cards of stiff material that people swipe to pay for goods', so you're wrong.""

So when the Mark of the Beast actually does happen, what will they say then? "Well you didn't say it was going to be THIS!" Personally, it won't be the Mark of the Beast that convinces me we're in the end times, but the ocean's turning completely to blood. That'd prove it just fine, but to each to their own I guess.

Anonymous Beastie May 15, 2015 12:22 PM  

Shit, Milo is the beast?

@nero

Blogger natschuster May 15, 2015 12:30 PM  

Don't computer that store all the money and credit information requires lots of highly paid computer security experts? Are they cheaper than armored car driver and guards who don't get a whole lot more than minimum wage?

Anonymous Godless May 15, 2015 12:30 PM  

"And it would be very interesting to hear a disbeliever explain how such an unlikely creation could have been envisioned so clearly nearly two thousand years ago."

I don't accept the premise. That's how.

Anonymous liljoe May 15, 2015 12:31 PM  

Such an approach would be a far more effective way to damp an overheated economy than today’s blunt tool of a rise in the central bank’s official interest rate.

what a moronic statement...so a faceless government'authority' adjusting the interest in a person's sole source of money at their pleasure is less blunt? is it me or is it him? it's him isn't it?

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 May 15, 2015 12:31 PM  

And once all money exists only in bank accounts – monitored, or even directly controlled by the government – the authorities will be able to encourage us to spend more when the economy slows, or spend less when it is overheating.

I'm not sure I see how this will be any different than the current paradigm.
How, beyond mind control, will the government's encouragement to spend more be any different with a biometric device linked to a bank account than with a wad of cash folded up in one's pocket?

Anonymous Sensei May 15, 2015 12:31 PM  

Ah, this actually makes sense, unlike the barcode thing years ago. Cashless society is one step towards fulfillment, now I wonder what tech could equally go on the hand or forehead to allow for transactions. Facial recognition technology suggests the mark is not for identity verification purposes because that would be redundant by whatever point it occurs; those fictional conceptions that have it as a verification of loyalty to a particular future regime headed by the antichrist may not be so far off the mark...

Anonymous Michael Maier May 15, 2015 12:32 PM  

Funny... I was watching Bill Burr's 2014 special free on YouTube last night and he goes all off about how stupid Christianity is. I don't care about the bashing, really. I get it and expect that. But it just comes off as the shallow stupid ramblings of a bitter prick. Much like George Carlin's religious verbal diarrhea.

I wonder what the black market replacement for cash will be in the countries that try this first? Simple foreign currencies?

Blogger James Dixon May 15, 2015 12:37 PM  

Anyone want to bet against the coming universal government provided debit card having an 18 digit identifier, 3 sets of 6 digits?

Blogger YIH May 15, 2015 12:38 PM  

I was wondering when you were going to notice this.
The first I'd heard of it was the 'trial balloon' of Israel doing away with cash.
The one even more insidious is 'the ban on cash' (even in safe deposit boxes!) by Chitibank.
Already many have little or no physical cash on hand, doing even routine transactions via debit/credit card.
I don't think there will be a confiscation of cash in the way gold was confiscated in the 30's.
It will simply be phased out, much the same way many other consumer items such as music CD's, landline phones, over-the-air TV.
Enforced, naturally, with increasingly smaller amounts of cash subject to 'asset forfeiture' to the point where possessing cash above, say $50 total could be an arrestable offense.

Anonymous Roundtine May 15, 2015 12:39 PM  

Force everyone into a cashless system. Declare the system cannot be used to buy gold, donate to intolerant churches, etc. Think of the power.

Anonymous Godless May 15, 2015 12:42 PM  

"Anyone want to bet against the coming universal government provided debit card having an 18 digit identifier, 3 sets of 6 digits?L"

Yes. I'll bet against that. What's the time frame and how much can I wager?

Anonymous Anubis May 15, 2015 12:45 PM  

How, beyond mind control, will the government's encouragement to spend more be any different with a biometric device linked to a bank account than with a wad of cash folded up in one's pocket?

Did we all forget about the Cyprus account grab? http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/03/cyprus-banking-crisis-for-dummies.html
"European country Cyprus is threatening to grab between 3 and 13% of bank depositors’ funds in return for a bailout of the country by the European Union.Zero Hedge reports that Germany’s Finance Minister and the IMF originally demanded that 40% of bank deposits be looted."

Blogger James Dixon May 15, 2015 12:49 PM  

Hmm... From the link on the Chase policies:

> The new policy restricts borrowers from using cash to make payments on credit cards, mortgages, equity lines, and auto loans.

That's going to be fun. I'd think that any good lawyer would ensure that your loan was written off free and clear when they refused your cash payment. The line "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE" isn't there just for fun. It has a legal basis (from my understanding, it was to disallow the requirement that debts be paid in gold).

Blogger murphaticlaw May 15, 2015 12:53 PM  

Bitcoin? And the underground market?

Blogger YIH May 15, 2015 12:53 PM  

Sensei:
I wonder what tech could equally go on the hand or forehead to allow for transactions.
I don't have to wonder about that.

Blogger James Dixon May 15, 2015 12:55 PM  

> What's the time frame and how much can I wager?

The time frame is uncertain. It could be as little as 50 years or as much as another 1000 or more. In either case, I'm unlike to be here to pay you.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones May 15, 2015 12:55 PM  

The Mark of the Beast in Revelation is merely the opposite of the Mark of God mentioned in Deuteronomy 6:8. That means almost every Christian in the past 2000 years has had the Mark.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat May 15, 2015 12:56 PM  

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Anonymous totenhenchen May 15, 2015 1:00 PM  

If Hillary can manage a server full of highly sensitive information, anyone can.

Anonymous Goodnight May 15, 2015 1:01 PM  

I wonder what the black market replacement for cash will be in the countries that try this first? Simple foreign currencies?

I've been giving that a lot of thought since I first heard this. I read an article last year about people using laundry detergent as a form of currency in some ghetto areas, and another about people in Appalachia using Pepsi (bought with food stamps).

Any suggestions? I think liquor wouldn't be a bad choice.

Blogger RL (#0052) May 15, 2015 1:01 PM  

The insanity, it keeps growing and growing.

Blogger Nobody May 15, 2015 1:05 PM  

I don't have to wonder about that.

That is so, yesterday.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat May 15, 2015 1:06 PM  

That's going to be fun. I'd think that any good lawyer would ensure that your loan was written off free and clear when they refused your cash payment.

For the moment, this is just Chase saying "If you're not the account owner, we want traceable funds". A lender isn't required by law to accept payments from a third party, so they can't get in trouble for it.

Most of it comes from the ability of the government to steal cash by charging it (not you or the bank) with money laundering, at which point you don't have due process. It's evil, and its wrong, but it's legal.

Why should we be surprised? Samuel told the Israelites that a king would steal their lands and wealth, waste their boys in war, and take their girls as serving wenches. Saul didn't wait a decade to start, and even David and Solomon couldn't resist temptations. No king of Israel was ever righteous in that regard.

Why should we be at all surprised that this government has spiraled into the same evil. God said "No king but me", and we didn't listen yet again. Now, we have 550 kings and uncounted princes and courtiers staking out their little baronies.

Blogger Giraffe May 15, 2015 1:06 PM  

It would be backdoor gun control. They're already trying now with operation chokepoint. But it would be impossible to operate a business that the govt doesn't want operated. They could control every transaction.

Blogger tridekka May 15, 2015 1:09 PM  

Each step closer to completely digital assets is one step closer to the finale of Fight Club.

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2015 1:09 PM  

Anybody that doesn't see the trend toward prophetic convergence must be blind or wilfully ignorant. I'm not sure there is a big difference between the two.

Blogger YIH May 15, 2015 1:18 PM  

Kentucky Packrat:
You missed this part:
Chase even goes as far as to prohibit the storage of cash in its safe deposit boxes . In a letter to its customers dated April 1, 2015 pertaining to its "Updated Safe Deposit Box Lease Agreement," one of the highlighted items reads: "You agree not to store any cash or coins other than those found to have a collectible value."

Blogger Bodichi (0031) May 15, 2015 1:19 PM  

@Anubis

No one should ever forget about Cyprus. When that story is told to people they get this ridiculous look on their face like a fairy tale is being told. "That would never happen here" flashes brightly across their face, like a neon sign at a bar. All the information about locked out ATMs and bank holidays is deflected by news of the NFL draft, or other trivialities.

They were warned. They deserve whatever happens to them.

"Why do most people die in the wilderness? They die of shame."

Blogger wrf3 May 15, 2015 1:19 PM  

Vox wrote: And it would be very interesting to hear [...] how such an unlikely creation could have been envisioned so clearly nearly two thousand years ago.

The preterist view of Revelation is one way. Wikipedia actually has a fairly decent article on it:

Preterist theologians typically support the numerical interpretation that 666 is the equivalent of the name and title, Nero Caesar (Roman Emperor from 54-68). Charagma is well attested to have been an imperial seal of the Roman Empire used on official documents during the 1st and 2nd centuries. In the reign of Emperor Decius (249–251 AD), those who did not possess the certificate of sacrifice (libellus) to Caesar could not pursue trades, a prohibition that conceivably goes back to Nero, reminding one of Revelation 13:17.

History repeats itself.

YMMV.

Blogger Myles May 15, 2015 1:23 PM  

@Godless

"I don't accept the premise. That's how."

"Nuh-uh!" declared the atheist.
"On what grounds?" inquired the theist.
"Stop shifting the burden of proof! I don't have to support my position or have any rationale for my position!!" whined the atheist.

Blogger Antonio From Spain May 15, 2015 1:28 PM  

Yet another example of Donoso Cortés' thermometers realigning.

In January 1849 he said that when the "religious thermometer" goes down in a society, political repression rises. In his day he considered the "religious thermometer" to be already "below zero"...

And observing that the religious thermometer kept falling he predicted that political oppression worldwide would rise to unprecedented heights, helped by the abuse of new technologies.

"The way is prepared for a gigantic, colossal, universal, and immense tyrant; everything is ready for it. Gentlemen, observe that there are no physical or moral resistances anymore—there are no physical resistances anymore because with steamboats and railroads there are no borders any longer; there are no physical resistances anymore because with the electric telegraph there are no distances anymore; and there are no moral resistances because all wills are divided and all patriotisms are dead. Tell me, therefore, if I am right or wrong to be worried about the near future of the world; tell me whether, in dealing with this question, I am not touching upon the real problem."

And he added:

"There is only one thing that can avert the catastrophe—one and only one: we shall not avert it by granting more liberty, more guarantees and new constitutions; we shall avert it if all of us, according to our strength, do our utmost to stimulate a healthy reaction—a religious reaction. Now is this possible, Gentlemen? Yes, it is. But is it likely? I answer in deepest sorrow: I do not think it is likely. I have seen and known many men who returned to their faith after having separated themselves from it; unfortunately, I have never known any nation which returned to the Faith after having lost it."

Blogger Douglas Wardell May 15, 2015 1:35 PM  

And it would be very interesting to hear a disbeliever explain how such an unlikely creation could have been envisioned so clearly nearly two thousand years ago.

I don't find it to be particularly clear since I suspect Christians will widely insist it has been fulfilled if any one of the following come to pass:

* It becomes fashionable to get a "VISA" tattoo.

* A man named Trey Sykes becomes chairman of the fed / founds some new kind of digital currency / etc.

* Credit via fingerprint / brainwave scanner / other biometrics is introduced.

* Trading one type of physical good for another type of physical good is banned.

* It is made illegal to conduct commerce unless you have "666" or a particular man's name which somehow relates to that number branded on your body.


In the last case, it was clearly envisioned. While it may line up to varying extents in the others, it's not reasonable to characterize them the same way.

Blogger jay c May 15, 2015 1:36 PM  

If the Mark of the Beast is a literal thing, credit cards, etc., certainly fit the description (two factor authentication: something you have/right hand & something you know/forehead) but it was always clear that they could only be one piece of the puzzle. The application of the Number, the Technology to enforce the limitation on commerce, and the Will to enforce it are the other major pieces. The Number is anything from the gematria of an actual person's name to...who knows what. It could be anything. The Technology has been around for decades. The will has existed since Nimrod. All that remains is to put the lime in the coconut.

I try to stay away from this kind of speculation--too many years spent in churches obsessed with eschatology--but sometimes things seem so obvious it's hard to avoid them. Maybe it's just a case of history/prophecy repeating itself. Or maybe it's really happening. I dunno.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat May 15, 2015 1:39 PM  

That's going to be fun. I'd think that any good lawyer would ensure that your loan was written off free and clear when they refused your cash payment.

Generally, I agree with the premise, banks are quite willing to join in the War Against Cash. They want deposits in the account so that they can make their cut off of your hard-earned money. However, we have to draw the line between a voice crying in the Wilderness and a Cassandra, and we do that by being right. Chase isn't denying all cash (yet), so we need to be careful that we don't say that they are.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat May 15, 2015 1:46 PM  

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Blogger Kentucky Packrat May 15, 2015 1:49 PM  

Maybe it's just a case of history/prophecy repeating itself. Or maybe it's really happening. I dunno.

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of man, They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."

The enemy knows that the best way to make evil acceptable is to make it commonplace. When the Mark is finally here, IMHO, it will appear to be just another incremental change. The world will be so numb that most people alive will blissfully take the Mark, not aware that it is equivalent to the unpardonable sin (no one with the Mark is saved, even if they cry out to God after it). The world will simply be as it always was and always will be (until, of course, it's not).

So, now, the enemy happily gives us our debit cards and our RealID drivers licenses with 2D barcodes, knowing that the few who are aware will exhaust themselves, and the rest will be lulled into another round of compliance.

Anonymous Mavwreck May 15, 2015 1:53 PM  

@natschuster:

Don't computer that store all the money and credit information requires lots of highly paid computer security experts? Are they cheaper than armored car driver and guards who don't get a whole lot more than minimum wage?

Those computers are centralized, so the security systems scale. Although the individual cost of a computer security engineer is more than that of an armored car guard, centralization means you need fewer engineers. That's a possible answer (not sure it's true).

Also, the cost of security is simply a part of the electronic system's cost. It's not directly visible to the store owner. Heck, odds are the cost of any security failure is largely borne by the credit card provider. So even if computer security is more expensive than physical security (when broken down by store) the shopkeepers might not see it.

Anonymous Geoff May 15, 2015 1:55 PM  

The cell phone will soon be the primary payment mechanism. It has already happened in China.

http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=29322

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes May 15, 2015 1:56 PM  

I'm more inclined to believe that "the beast" refers to the rise of Islam, and its requirement for a headband or armband indicating loyalty to the religion (and the associated prevention of commerce among disbelievers), rather than the more recent western view that the best will come from Europe. Walid Shoebat is a proponent of that interpretation, and I think it has some merit.

Blogger njartist May 15, 2015 2:00 PM  

However, we have to draw the line between a voice crying in the Wilderness and a Cassandra, and we do that by being right.
The allusion to Cassandra is misapplied: Cassandra actually was correct in her prediction; the gods just made sure no one believed her report: sort of like lazy Christians and unbelievers will not believe the bible.

Anonymous Roundtine May 15, 2015 2:09 PM  

Generally, I agree with the premise, banks are quite willing to join in the War Against Cash.

A lot of the anti-cash policy is driven by the government and anti-drug/Patriot act laws. If the interest rate goes negative, sticking cash in your safe deposit is a smart move. If you want a conspiracy, it's to keep people from walking into the bank and taking out all their cash and putting in a safety deposit box. Then you and the bank will be a target of investigation.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli May 15, 2015 2:30 PM  

The USPTO actually catches flak sometimes for issuing patents that are too "666" for some people's tastes. There are actually quite a few of them. Usually either a barcode tattoo or RFID chip implant.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli May 15, 2015 2:34 PM  

"There have been other methods to permanently identify humans. During the holocaust, the Nazis tattooed the arms of Jews with a unique identifying number. On an episode of the "X-FILES," a fictional television program on the FOX television network, a human was abducted by aliens who conducted experiments on the abductee. In order to permanently tag the abductee, the aliens etched a unique bar code onto one of the abductee's teeth. Neither of these methods is practical for marking humans for electronic sale transaction purposes. First, social conscience dictates that any permanent marking of humans not be conspicuous, such as a visible numbering on an arm like the holocaust victims. Second, the bar code must be long enough, large enough, and accessible enough to make the transaction efficient. Thus bar codes on teeth would not be practical because of the limited size of the teeth and the embarrassment caused by sales personnel placing scanning equipment in a customer's mouth."

U.S. Patent No. 5,878,155

Anonymous Athor Pel May 15, 2015 2:35 PM  

For anyone worried about being forced to get the mark, don't be. Don't worry about being tricked into getting it either.

No one will get the mark unless they willfully worship the image of the beast first. All those that do not worship will be killed by the image. Only the worshipers will get the mark.

To say it again, worship first, mark second. Can't get the mark if you're dead.

Now for my opinion, the mark is more than just a mark. It changes those that are marked. Remember after the fifth trumpet, men will seek death but won't find it.

Anonymous Geoff May 15, 2015 2:36 PM  

Roundtime, if interest rates go negative, I'm gonna need meeself a bigger mattress.

Maybe the mattress store will have a NIRP sale.

Anonymous Discard May 15, 2015 2:42 PM  

We already have an underground economy, don't we? It would be less efficient to use barter instead of cash, but it will be done. Am I really going to buy my crack with an ATM card?
Goodnight thinks that liquor would make a good candidate for a new currency. I agree, and I think that we could use .22 cartridges for making change.

Blogger Student in Blue May 15, 2015 2:56 PM  

Whenever the Mark of the Devil/666 ever comes up in conversation, I'm reminded of an explanation or teaching on that number. I can't remember when I heard it and what it's from, but it went something like this.

The number 7 is holy, 3 from the Trinity, and 4 from all directions. I think. It's been a long while. So 777 is the number of God, being holiness in trinity. And so the number 666 represents Satan, as he fashioned himself to be God yet falls obviously short.

...If anyone knows the theory/dogma I'm remembering, could they let me know what it's called? I hate going off of half-remembered concepts.

Blogger John Wright May 15, 2015 3:05 PM  

Another interpretation of the Mark of the Beast is the “battle marks” received while waging Jihad or the “prayer mark" on the foreheads of many devout Muslims, Jihadists typically wear the “Bismallah” on the forehead and on the right arm.

And in many Muslim countries ever more laws decree Christians and Jews cannot buy and sell, own property, own weapons, join the police or military, and so on.

Instead of being a European superstate with microchips, the Whore of Babylon might be (fancy that!) from Babylon.

This is not the theory I hold, but I thought I would pass it along. I heard it from a man named Shoebatt, and ex-Jihadi converted to Christ.

Anonymous rienzi May 15, 2015 3:06 PM  

I have heard that during the hyperinflation in Germany after WW1, sealed, unopened, bottles of cognac and whisky functioned as the equivalent of hundred dollar bills. I have no idea what they used for change. It being Germany, beer maybe?

Blogger Owen May 15, 2015 3:11 PM  

I thought "666" had a tie in to some alpha numeric depiction of Emperor Nero. However, that's just something that's rattled in the back of the head, not something I studied and learned. I haven't really done an in depth study of Revelation.

Blogger Danby May 15, 2015 3:16 PM  

Something will be used for money, even when money is unavailable.It's just too much work and uncertainty to try to barter otherwise.
So we see form the examples here; liquor, soda, cigarettes (in prison and POW camps) nylon stockings (in war zones of WWII).
The requirements are
1) ready availability, but at a cost.
2) verifiability (soda cans, sealed liquor bottles, gold or silver coin)
3) divisibility or change making. This is directly opposed to verifiability in many cases. Some items (soda, cigarettes) come in small enough units that it's easy
4) transportability and transferability. Buying your crack or meth or vicodin with soda cases is easy. Buying a car or a house a bit more difficult.

Silver coin is still tops in my book, but who knows what crazy laws they will come up with to destroy it?

Anonymous Vic May 15, 2015 3:17 PM  

More hints are available in a through a search through the old testament for this number 666.

Notice that Nebuchadnezzar's golden image, 66 cubits high and 6 cubits wide, set up as a rebellion against the image of his dream, signifying his kingdom of gold doesn't end, in defiance of God's revelation that indeed, three more kingdoms are coming.

Also notice Solomon's throne, with 6 steps up, and 6 lions on each side.

I believe this signifies that whatever the realization of this prophesy, it will involve worship, as ole Neb's image did, and kingship, as Solomon's throne, and commerce as the 666 talents of gold brought on the ships of Tarshish to Solomon.

Another prophesy in the Revelation to note is the killing of the two witnesses. How does the whole earth look upon these dead bodies for three days? Could this have happened in 70AD?

Anonymous LES May 15, 2015 3:18 PM  

Exodus 22:25

25 “If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.

Deuteronomy 23:20

20 To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess.

Deuteronomy 15:6

6 For the LORD your God will bless you just as He promised you; you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow; you shall reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over you.

Proverbs 22:7

7 The rich rules over the poor,
And the borrower is servant to the lender.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 15, 2015 3:23 PM  

More scientific minded types feel the mark refers to tattoos which are forbidden to under Judaism . You don't need high tech to force people to bow down in a ceremony, renounce their God and blaspheme their body . Put in on the hand or face and its clearly visible and must be shown before trade, Evil iron age style and just as foul.

Many non Christians who do believe feel this is more like tail wagging dog kind of self fulfilling prophesy stuff and there has never been a bad idea that the elite won't try to implement. These psychos see 1984 as an instruction manual.

Amusingly many in the New Age hate and fear the "Beast" as much as Christians do. They have quite similar teachings on the matter, I've even seen New Age cartoons on the the Mark from back in the 1980's even.

That said,

1st stores in the US may already refuse cash already. This is nothing new though the level of psychotic malevolence these monetary policy parasites are displaying is breathtaking and futile. No effort they can make will remotely be able to make their policies work. Its also hackable and huge security risk. The US can't keep people out of the White House databases or from cracking credit card processors . The more electronic the society becomes the more vulnerable it is to a total crash . Even if one doesn't believe in Revelations at all,. the existential risk of such systems should be clear

2nd Used outside of person to person transactions cash is nearly as traceable. The technology already exists for an economic control grid, no actual mark required . Networked cameras with various recognition software are the greatest threat humanity faces and as mass storage and automation increases, the ability to control urban and even rural areas increases.

Ian Welsh has written much on this topic http://www.ianwelsh.net/ and with a little searching you'll see several articles. For a Leftist he at least understands the issue, its a people problem.

Welsh notes ; When the revolution comes, if it comes, the first job is going to have to be to destroy all of this stuff, and to inculcate a visceral understanding that this and all types of constant surveillance are, simply, the hallmarks of evil regimes.
Of course, in time, the descendants of the revolution will forget.  The hallmark of evil regimes for our forefathers was torture, after all.

Philosophically I am kind of a What Would Vlad Tepes do kind of guy with this level of Evil but YMMV of course.

3rd I'd enjoin Christians to consider fighting in groups when the time comes , The"I am going to resist." spirit is a good thing but "We are going to resist." is much better and may stave off the wickedness and as such save many souls. I also recommend that those New Agers and even Leftists that hate the evil they aren't many and they may even be damned but they no more want the Evil than we do be treated as allies for the duration. Covert those you can, Let God sort them in the fullness of time and save your efforts for the saving people from the wickedness and deal with the wicked.

4th I suspect Athol Pel is correct theologically. It requires conscious choice to be so marked.

Last after all this gloom, There are also several RPG's dealing with the topic, the best I think being Armageddon by Eden Studios in which the Beast is basically a Great Old One (a Mad God in game parlance) and the Mark works much as Athol Pel suggests. Its a good game and a great rules system for those who like tabletop RPG's. Heck the game even calls out the de-Christianization of Europe which is shocking erudite for a game.

Blogger kh123 May 15, 2015 3:30 PM  

Devil's advocate:

Would figure one take from the skeptics would be that since the concept of coinage was about the same age then as Plymouth Rock is to us now, and that a moneyless society was as fantastic a notion as space travel was a hundred years ago, this is exactly why it was used as a literary device in Revelations. To a). awe the reader into the magnitude and scope of the anti-Christ, and b). push the prediction far off into an unimaginable and unforeseeable future. Besides the imagery of Armageddon, locusts with faces, cosmic signs, etc, this was the one of those sprinklings of the meat-and potatoes world that the reader would be intimately familiar with, while also tipping the mental scales into one of those "That's not a moon, that's a space station" moments.

Of course, the built-in feature is that it's a fairly unmistakable sign, undercutting the fudge factor aspect above. It also separates the Stephans from the Thomases.

Could also see the idea forwarded that someone like Xenophon wrote it on a lark while taking a break from Ways and Means or whatever. But even then, it'd be a hell of an economic/cultural prediction.

Anonymous Poli_Mis May 15, 2015 3:35 PM  

@StudentInBlue

I have always wondered about that concept as well. These lyrics are from The Pixie's, "Monkey Gone to Heaven"

If Man is five, if Man is five, if Man is five
Then the Devil is six, then the Devil is six
The Devil is six, the Devil is six and if the Devil is six
Then God is seven , then God is seven

Who came up with number thing? Steve Vai? And his stupid monkey grip Ibanez, the Jem 777?

Blogger wrf3 May 15, 2015 3:40 PM  

John Wright wrote: Another interpretation of the Mark of the Beast is the “battle marks” received while waging Jihad or the “prayer mark" on the foreheads of many devout Muslims, Jihadists typically wear the “Bismallah” on the forehead and on the right arm.

Compare to the Jewish tefillin, described in Exodus 13:9 & 16; Deuteronomy 6:18, 11:18.

Revelation, like the Islamists, are just borrowing the symbolism that what a person worships is to be a guide to his eyes and hands.

Anonymous Godless May 15, 2015 3:43 PM  

"@Godless

"I don't accept the premise. That's how."

"Nuh-uh!" declared the atheist.
"On what grounds?" inquired the theist.

Atheist: Well here's the premise: an unlikely creation (abolishement of real currency) was envisioned so clearly nearly two thousand years ago and recorded in the Bible."

1. The abolition of currency is not predicted in the bible
2. Given the trend toward electronic transaction that has been with us for more than 3 decades, it isn't an unlikely idea

It's on these grounds an atheist or clear thinker would respond with "nuh uh"!!

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 15, 2015 4:07 PM  

We already have an underground economy, don't we? http://www.amazon.com/Ragnars-Guide-The-Underground-Economy/dp/1581600119

Instead of being a European superstate with microchips, the Whore of Babylon might be (fancy that!) from Babylon.

What if Herman Cain's 999 plan is the mark of the beast adjusted for inflation? Or prophesized upside-down/dyslexic

What Would Vlad Tepes do kind of guy with this level of Evil but YMMV of course.

Vlad Tepes was a good guy he kept Europe free from Moslems for a long time.

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/top-post-collapse-barter-items-and-trade-skills_06102011
http://survivalcache.com/top-100-items-to-dissappear-first/

Anonymous Athor Pel May 15, 2015 4:09 PM  

"John Wright May 15, 2015 3:05 PM
...
Instead of being a European superstate with microchips, the Whore of Babylon might be (fancy that!) from Babylon. "



Remember, all of the other world empires were considered world empires because they held the bulk of the population of the planet at the time and provided stability for the areas outside, like the limbs of a tree provides shade. It was not because they held direct control of the whole planet and all of its people.

We know the dream of the globalists is to control the whole planet but it doesn't need to be that exactly. Another world war could very easily depopulate large parts of the planet to the point that previously hegemonic nations would cease to be as powerful, if not cease to be. Whatever region(s) is/are left would by default become the next world empire.

Anonymous Vic May 15, 2015 4:13 PM  

@StudentInBlue,

This comes from the speculation that 6 is the number of man since he was created on the sixth day. Three of them signifies the deity of man, as in secular Humanism, the unspoken religion striving for dominance in world affairs.

@John Wright,

I think Mr. Shoebatt is partly right, in that I see Islam as the harlot of Babylon who attempts to control kings through terror. She is drunk on the blood of the saints. All nations will drink the wine of her wrath.

But the beast will one day destroy the harlot (burn her with fire), with a coalition of like minded heads of state. This beast must be Jewish, as how else is he going to convince the world that he is the messiah? This devil is said to sit in the temple of God claiming to be God.

The question remains, is this a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem or is it the church, which the New Testament claims is the new Temple of God?

Anonymous Stryker4570 May 15, 2015 4:24 PM  

The Mark of the Beast in the Revelation to John has been historically associated with the custom of emperor worship. Citizens were required to burn a pinch of incense in a small fire and invoke Caesar as Lord. The Roman official in charge of the rite would then wipe a smudge of ash from the fire on the persons right hand and forehead as proof of your civic duty, then you would receive the written certificate attesting to your sacrifice. Christians refused to do this. Without those ashes on your hand and forehead and that certificate you could not engage in any kind of business or trade. This does not discount a reprise of something similar in our future, and the fact that the dollar is a de facto world currency. The whole idea of a cashless society is evil and a totalitarian's wet dream.

Blogger RobertT May 15, 2015 4:28 PM  

"4th I suspect Athol Pel is correct theologically. It requires conscious choice to be so marked.

This is good to know. Because I gave up cash & checks years ago. I simply find digital money much more convenient. I find it a pain in the neck when I find myself behind a check writing customer in a checkout line. Plus, if you ever have a controversy about whether or something got paid, digital is much easier to prove.

Blogger MycroftJones May 15, 2015 4:37 PM  

@Vic Adam was created on day 3. Eve was created on day 6. 666 is the number of King Solomon. Adam was led astray by Eve, his 6. Solomon was led astray by his many wives, his many 6's. (666). Also, 666 talents of gold was Solomon's yearly income. (1 Kings 10:14, http://loveandtruth.net/adam-third-day.html)

Anonymous Discard May 15, 2015 4:57 PM  

I have read that, since the Hebrews lacked Arabic numerals, they used letters to designate numbers, just like the Romans. So, does 666 spell something or might it be the initials of something?

Blogger MycroftJones May 15, 2015 5:10 PM  

@Discard the Hebrews didn't use letters for numbers until later in history. In the Bible, all the numbers are spelled out word for word. Gematria was a later invention adopted from the Greeks, who probably got it from the Babylonians.

Anonymous Vic May 15, 2015 5:17 PM  

@MycroftJones,

My bad, it must be my evil NIV translation. It shows man created in verse 26-27 of Genesis, which is on the 6th day.

Anonymous Vic May 15, 2015 5:33 PM  

@Discard,

The book of Revelation was originally written in Greek. Some of the Latin manuscripts have the number as 616.

Blogger Ginny Carlisle May 15, 2015 5:43 PM  

There are no "white" people in the Bible.

Just sayin'.

;)

Anonymous Stephen J. May 15, 2015 5:57 PM  

"The real nightmare . . . is the establishment of the infrastructure for the long-predicted Mark of the Beast."

It seems to me there are two possibilities here, interpreting the prophecy of Revelation:

1) The "Beast" is a human government that exercises a tyranny of unprecedented scope upon an unprecedented quantity of people, and its "Mark" is whatever separates those who are agents or favoured citizens of this tyranny from the oppressed subjects. This is problematic for those who assume Revelation will be literally fulfilled in a single series of events at the end of the world, because any given government of sufficient size and power combined with any sufficiently widespread communications/information technology will look like the Beast and its Mark to those who fear it. However, if Revelation is taken not as a prophetic warning of a literal apocalyptic event but as a theological warning of a given set of cultural conditions, then the "Mark of the Beast" is a warning about the perpetual recurrence of tyranny and control in human society, a warning any Christian in any time and place must keep in mind.

2) The "Beast" is explicitly and literally as described in Revelation a supernaturally-backed and -empowered tyrant whose coming presages the end of the world, both socially and physically, as we have known it. As someone who believes that Christ Himself will have a literal Second Coming at some point in human history, I do not discount this possibility, but it has to be kept balanced with the standard cautions of all forms of doomcrying. Yes, at some point some generation of humans will be the last ever born, and yes, the last generation will probably not think it is the last any more than we do, but those who bet on it are still playing imprudent odds. We cannot draw Leviathan out with a hook.

It is also possible, of course, that both #1 and #2 will be true, and that #1 will recur several times as foreshadowing for #2, but the problem with using the Bible as a predictive rather than a metaphorical lens of understanding is the temptation to excessive literalism. Scripture exists to tell us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens will go.

Anonymous Stephen J. May 15, 2015 5:59 PM  

As for the possibility of a cashless society, I think it's unlikely simply because I know of no government which doesn't want its own way to move funds in an untrackable format. Corruption and privacy interests seem likely to be very well lobbied for.

Blogger Daniel May 15, 2015 6:08 PM  

It is very near an inconceivable idea today. Completely foreign on Patmos in 70 AD. Even as an island of exile, cash was the way of the world.

Blogger Marissa May 15, 2015 6:15 PM  

Now for my opinion, the mark is more than just a mark. It changes those that are marked. Remember after the fifth trumpet, men will seek death but won't find it.

Because they uploaded their consciousnesses into the Matrix? You could fit transhumanism into this.

Blogger MycroftJones May 15, 2015 6:19 PM  

@Vic the problem isn't in your NIV translation. Genesis 1 and 2 are parallel accounts that line up point for point in the same order, with no contradictions, and no details out of order. By putting the two side by side, you see that Adam was created on day three. Look in the underlying Hebrew; Man was "completed" on day 6.

Anonymous cooler heads prevailing May 15, 2015 6:45 PM  

"Excessive literalism"...

Isn't that what the liberal faction of "Christianity" accuse the Bible Thumpers of employing?

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 May 15, 2015 6:51 PM  

Welcome to the world of the bizarre, where crappy little fiat paper notes represent too much freedom for the people. Here's to the return of the gold standard.

Blogger MrNiceguy May 15, 2015 7:04 PM  

"I'm more inclined to believe that "the beast" refers to the rise of Islam..."

I've suspected this for quite some time myself. Revelation refers to those beheaded for their faith, and the islamists seem to be big fans of that particular method of execution. I can certainly see the Antichrist presenting himself in a manner that would be accepted as the 12th Imam of Muslim eschatology. And there is just a certain narrative balance to a final showdown between the two sons of Abraham.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 15, 2015 7:11 PM  

The book of Revelation was originally written in Greek. Some of the Latin manuscripts have the number as 616.

Which makes it interesting that Nero's name can be transnumerated as 666 or 616, depending on the language used.

Blogger deadman May 15, 2015 7:19 PM  

Why Is the Pope Provoking War in Israel?

http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/12623.2.0.0/why-is-the-pope-provoking-war-in-israel

'Yesterday the Vatican revealed that it had formally recognized the “state of Palestine” in a newly finalized treaty with the Palestinians'


Zechariah 12:3
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.


Israel is losing friends all over. More predictive 'life imitating art'.

Anonymous Vic May 15, 2015 7:21 PM  

"Which makes it interesting that Nero's name can be transnumerated as 666 or 616, depending on the language used."

So can the title of the pope.

Anonymous Stephen J. May 15, 2015 7:24 PM  

"Isn't that what the liberal faction of "Christianity" accuse the Bible Thumpers of employing?"

As a Catholic I believe, as the Magisterium teaches, that parts of the Bible are most usefully and meaningfully understood in a metaphorical rather than literal sense, but that doesn't mean I can't agree with an opinion even if I disagree about the reasoning behind it.

Whether the Mark of the Beast is a visible physical mark or a literal one, and whether the Beast is a metaphorical term for a phenomenon or a literal term for a singular entity, the fact that the Bible warns in both senses against the tyranny of unrightful omniscience is no coincidence, I think.

Anonymous DT May 15, 2015 7:35 PM  

As for the possibility of a cashless society, I think it's unlikely simply because I know of no government which doesn't want its own way to move funds in an untrackable format. Corruption and privacy interests seem likely to be very well lobbied for.

If you wrote and controlled the software managing the money database, could you not create, move, and delete money without being traced?

Anonymous DT May 15, 2015 7:41 PM  

For another way the mark of the Beast (i.e. a method of totalitarian economic control) could be pushed upon the people of Earth, Google "britain carbon ration card" and start reading.

It's for the Earth guys...and the children...you're not deniers, are you? Because only deniers who hate the Earth...and children...refuse the mark.

Anonymous Vic May 15, 2015 7:53 PM  

Just curious, Do you see the man of sin, spoken of in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 as the same person as the Beast of Revelation 13? Should both be allegoried into the past, or just one of them?

I personally know of no interpretation of the events spoken of in these places without some kind of problem reconciling all of them. If we shove them into the past, Who were the two witnesses? Surely men who tormented the earth would have been spoken of in the historical record somewhere since 90 AD, the date many theologians give for the writing of the book of Revelation.

OpenID joshtheaspie May 15, 2015 7:56 PM  

While the history channel doesn't get everything right, the series "Rome: The Rise and fall of an Empire" does a decent job of introduction. You can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mUQVm9FU64&list=PLx5B22t2Ksu2jerdLdWvZ1JuYizKsnnzr

"The Mark of the Beast" could arguably be the mark that all citizens of rome had to take on, showing that they had paid their taxes and made offerings to the roman gods, in order to legally sell or purchase goods.

One of the major schools of thought regarding Revelations is that it has already occurred. This is called Preterism.

Anonymous JRL May 15, 2015 8:01 PM  

I suspect prophecy can be speaking to more than one situation in history. God's perspective is not limited.

Like a rock touching the water as it skips across a stream, the prophecy itself may echo through time, seeing fulfillment at several points in history.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein May 15, 2015 8:08 PM  

Which makes it interesting that Nero's name can be transnumerated as 666 or 616, depending on the language used.

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Anonymous farmer Tom May 15, 2015 8:42 PM  

They are already trying to outlaw cash in Louisiana.

no cash sale of secondhand goods

Anonymous JRL May 15, 2015 8:57 PM  

Wow fT.

It's of a feather with the new gun law in Washington, you can't loan your buddy a gun without filling out paperwork.

Blogger James Dixon May 15, 2015 9:02 PM  

> As for the possibility of a cashless society, I think it's unlikely simply because I know of no government which doesn't want its own way to move funds in an untrackable format.

What makes you think the government will be bound by the laws it passes for its subjects?

Blogger MrNiceguy May 15, 2015 9:48 PM  

"I'm more inclined to believe that "the beast" refers to the rise of Islam..."

I've suspected this for quite some time myself. Revelation refers to those beheaded for their faith, and the islamists seem to be big fans of that particular method of execution. I can certainly see the Antichrist presenting himself in a manner that would be accepted as the 12th Imam of Muslim eschatology. And there is just a certain narrative balance to a final showdown between the two sons of Abraham.

Anonymous Stephen J. May 15, 2015 10:04 PM  

"What makes you think the government will be bound by the laws it passes for its subjects?"

It might well not be, but it would always have an interest in appearing to be so bound unless it is an open and explicit tyranny, and it's easier to fake not being that when you can hide your payments in an off-the-record physical medium like cash. Besides, who would do business with a government which could erase any payments it might make after it had made them?

But to some extent that's an orthogonal question to the basic point of government corruption; if your government is now habitually and openly disobeying its own laws (yeah, I know, I know: "If?!"), you have bigger problems than cash vs. cashless, whatever your economic state.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) May 15, 2015 10:06 PM  

Having flash backs to the 1980s...and I'm pretty sure it was this www.
There was massive inflation in Israel.
The workers would immediately cash their pay checks into American Dollars and only convert them back into Israel dollars at the stores at the time of purchase. Then of course the day came when the Bankers just cut a zero off the Israels dollars and bank accounts.
I'm also flashing on inflation in Mexico.
The Peso went from 3 to a Dollar,to 3500 Pesos to a Dollar,until the Bankers came out with the New Peso which went back to trading at 3 to a Dollar. Of course the Mexican government and Bankers had converted all their old Pesos into American Dollars long before any of this happened.
Good Times...Good Times.
DannyR

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 15, 2015 10:11 PM  

I wonder what the black market replacement for cash will be in the countries that try this first? Simple foreign currencies?

RMB most likely. I noticed that CAD switched to plastic bills a few years ago... which probably biodegrade to prevent hoarding.

A chicken, goat etc. maybe? Salmon? Live currency isn't ideal.

One reason I haven't embraced Bitcoin very much is because it's susceptible to the same thing computer-based cards are: EMP. Hard to download a blockchain through 1200 bps packet radio.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 15, 2015 10:26 PM  

Am I really going to buy my crack with an ATM card?

No, you buy a 'meal' with the ATM card at a diner, the cashier gives you a chit, which you exchange for the crack in the alley. Think beer tent at a festival.

Blogger Robert What? May 15, 2015 10:32 PM  

Christianity is the most evidence-based religion in the world. Far more evidence-based than today's new religions: "Global Warming" and "Rape Culture".

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 15, 2015 10:33 PM  

Welsh notes ; When the revolution comes, if it comes, the first job is going to have to be to destroy all of this stuff, and to inculcate a visceral understanding that this and all types of constant surveillance are, simply, the hallmarks of evil regimes.

Butlerian jihad when?

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 15, 2015 10:46 PM  

The Roman official in charge of the rite would then wipe a smudge of ash from the fire on the persons right hand and forehead as proof of your civic duty

Remember man that you are dust, and into dust you shall return.

Any other Catholics just a little concerned about this?

Blogger pyrrhus May 15, 2015 10:46 PM  

The actual idea here is to be able to track everyone's transactions so they can be taxed, and force them to keep bank accounts, which may later be seized....as in Cyprus.

Blogger Danby May 15, 2015 10:58 PM  

"One reason I haven't embraced Bitcoin very much is because it's susceptible to the same thing computer-based cards are: EMP. Hard to download a blockchain through 1200 bps packet radio."

bitcoin carries within the blockchain a record of literally every wallet that has held that bitcoint. With the Feds in the bitcoin market, they can acquire enough data that it becomes trivially easy to trace any transactions back to the beginning of time. All they have to do is connect you to the wallet and they know every transaction made with bitcoin. They've already prosecuted people this way.

Do people really think that bitcoin is secure?

Anonymous Mark Plus May 15, 2015 11:02 PM  

Uh, Vox. People get ideas from books all the time without claiming that the books contain revelations from god which prophesy the future. How do you know that the Mark advocates didn't get the idea from the bible, just like the many examples where people ideas for new inventions from science fiction?

Anonymous Mark Plus May 15, 2015 11:10 PM  

And what if we get something like the Mark, but it makes life better and none of the other specific things in Revelation happen, even after many generations?

Blogger Danby May 15, 2015 11:18 PM  

yep, life will sure be better once you starve out the annoying Christians.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) May 15, 2015 11:41 PM  

When I was assigned to the 101st airborne division in Vietnam,we got Ration tickets for 2 items;
beer and laundry detergent.
Laundry detergent had very high value in the local black market.
DannyR

Anonymous Ain May 16, 2015 1:16 AM  

A.B. Prosper: There are also several RPG's dealing with the topic, the best I think being Armageddon by Eden Studios in which the Beast is basically a Great Old One (a Mad God in game parlance)

Are you referring to the Mad God in Bard's Tale? Or something else? I started playing it this week after almost 25 years and read that the creator of BT and BT2 is a devout Christian (though that's trivia).

What is a Great Old One?

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) May 16, 2015 1:25 AM  

M P C
Military Payment Certificate
In the war they paid us M P C.
Looked liked Monopoly money,had pictures of Queens and Ships on it.Was hard to take as real money.
You were only allowed to convert $250 M P C into a money order once a month if you wanted to send it back to the real world.Anything more than $250 M P C and you had to have a written statement from your C O were you got the money from.A great way to control black marking and gambling.
Every 5 or 6 months they would lock down the base,no one in no one out,everyone had to trade in their old blue M P C for a new red M P C,once again if you wanted to change more than $250 old Blue M P C you had to have a statement from your C O where the money came from.At the end of the day all the old blue M P C was whorthless.Screwin' not only gamblers and black markers but also the local black market which ran on M P C.
I can remember an exchange rate of 160 M P C for a 100 Dollar American Greenback.

DannyR

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 16, 2015 1:28 AM  

Ain, The great Old Ones are a product of Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos_deities

The Mad Gods of Armageddon are essentially "anti universe" Gods that taint and corrupt our universe on entry. In the titular RPG, a particular one has taken over much of the world, created an Anti-Christ church HQ's in Europe and wants to enslave everyone and taint their souls beyond damnation

The only reason it hasn't is that it expended much of its power making sure nukes no longer work and that various factions, pretty much every decent n being is allied to fight this thing including creatures of myth, fae . pagan deities, angels and even demons who while still after human souls, don't want their realm eaten either.

Its not a terribly Christian game but its well written and the Church the thing creates is chilling. Cthulhu Nazis is a glib way to describe it but the COR (Church of Revelation) bad guys are very much like I imagine the beasts church would be

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 16, 2015 1:37 AM  

Cuca Culpa. hard to say.

Any revolutionary state will have to do this though along with limiting technology in ways that prevent mass unemployment and tyranny . It won't be simple since the Wests real religion is Neo-Liberalism and its as flawed as Communism . A future economy will probably have to resemble a feudal economy more than anything and it won't produce nearly as much wealth but it will allow people to earn a living. It will also have a lot of difficulty controlling the tech but failure to do so is basically a doomsday scenario.



of course at the rate of burn, we may well reach catabloic collapse before long and as such, the issue will be moot. Without cheap oil , cheap electricity and plentiful resources , complex modern societies fall apart amazingly fast . we also might low fertility modern civilization into oblivion, 1.5 forever will not leave much of a society in the long run.

As an aside, this actually occurred to the Japanese who I've read have theorized the idea of simply deindustrializing nearly completely and returning to an agrarian society with a much smaller but stable population. There would still be cities but most people would be farmers. I don't know if it would work but if any nation can do it, japan can.

Anonymous Ain May 16, 2015 1:57 AM  

@A. B. Prosper

Ah, ok. Thanks.

Blogger Joe Keenan May 16, 2015 8:09 AM  

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

Purpose of the book

From this cursory perusal of the book, it is evident that the Seer was influenced by the prophecies of Daniel more than by any other book. Daniel was written with the object of comforting the Jews under the cruel persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes. The Seer in the Apocalypse had a similar purpose. The Christians were fiercely persecuted in the reign of Domitian. The danger of apostasy was great. False prophets went about, trying to seduce the people to conform to the heathen practices and to take part in the Caesar-worship. The Seer urges his Christians to remain true to their faith and to bear their troubles with fortitude. He encourages them with the promise of an ample and speedy reward. He assures them that Christ's triumphant coming is at hand. Both in the beginning and at the end of his book the Seer is most emphatic in telling his people that the hour of victory is nigh. He begins, saying: "Blessed is he that . . . keepeth those things which are written in it; for the time is at hand" (1:3). He closes his visions with the pathetic words: "He that giveth testimony of these things saith, Surely I come quickly: Amen. Come, Lord Jesus". With the coming of Christ the woes of the Christians will be avenged. Their oppressors will be given up to the judgment and the everlasting torments. The martyrs that have fallen will be raised to life, that they may share the pleasures of Christ's kingdom, the millennium. Yet this is but a prelude to the everlasting beatitude which follows after the general resurrection. It is an article of faith that Christ will return at the end of time to judge the living and the dead. But the time of His second advent is unknown. "But of that day and hour no one knoweth, no, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone" (Matthew 24:36). It would appear, and is so held by many that the Christians of the Apostolic age expected that Christ would return during their own lifetime or generation. This seems to be the more obvious meaning of several passages both in the Epistles and Gospels (cf. John 21:21-23, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). The Christians of Asia Minor and the Seer with them, appear to have shared this fallacious expectation. Their mistaken hope, however, did not affect the soundness of their belief in the essential part of the dogma. Their views of a millennial period of corporal happiness were equally erroneous. The Church has wholly cast aside the doctrine of a millennium previous to the resurrection. St. Augustine has perhaps more than any one else helped to free the Church from all crude fancies as regards its pleasures. He explained the millennium allegorically and applied it to the Church of Christ on earth. With the foundation of the Church the millennium began. The first resurrection is the spiritual resurrection of the soul from sin (City of God XX). Thus the number 1,000 is to be taken indefinitely.

http://newadvent.com/cathen/01594b.htm

Blogger James Dixon May 16, 2015 10:50 AM  

> if your government is now habitually and openly disobeying its own laws (yeah, I know, I know: "If?!"), you have bigger problems than cash vs. cashless,

Well, yeah. The enforced removal of cash is only a symptom of the larger problem. But cataloging the symptoms of a disease isn't exactly a useless endeavor.

Anonymous Fp May 16, 2015 12:29 PM  

"It is very near an inconceivable idea today. Completely foreign on Patmos in 70 AD. Even as an island of exile, cash was the way of the world."

Also they didn't have computers and databases back then to keep track of all the transactions(and people) at the same time. The bible is true and leftards are in denial and on their way to hell.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 16, 2015 6:24 PM  

All they have to do is connect you to the wallet

Because DPR had crappy OPSEC. They didn't trace anything, they found the keys in his laptop.

Also, there are Bitcoin mixers. Not ideal, but not as traceable or insecure as you think,

Blogger Joe Keenan May 17, 2015 10:14 AM  

It's all really very simple, when you embrace the social and moral order of Logos you behave a certain way. You believe certain things. Those beliefs constrain and direct your actions. Conversely, when you reject Logos you reject the social and moral order of Logos, you will likewise, behave in a certain way (anti-Logos). You will believe certain things, those beliefs will blind you to Truth. A society organized against Logos (reason/order) cannot survive as there is no progress outside the moral order.

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(1) If you want your ex back.
(2) if you always have bad dreams.
(3) You want to be promoted in your office.
(4) You want women/men to run after you.
(5) If you want a child.
(6) You want to be rich.
(7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be yours forever.
(8) If you need financial assistance.
(9) Herbal care.

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