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Thursday, May 28, 2015

George Martin really really likes rape

Like the worm, the SJW always turns on his own:
Rape acts in Game of Thrones the TV series (to date): 50
Rape victims in Game of Thrones (to date): 29

Rape acts in ASOIAF the book series (to date): 214
Rape victims in ASOIAF (to date): 117

The books contain over 4 times as much rape as the show (and probably even more; the method of analysis likely underestimates the rape in the books - see below).

Before the barrage of anon hate mail floods in: that’s not to say the show’s not problematic. It’s to say that the books are problematic. ETA: Please see A Song of Ice and Fire Has a Rape Problem for a detailed discussion on why the rapes in the books aren’t any better than those in the show. Spoiler: the only women who get vengeance on their rapists are villains.
Those 214 rape acts are particularly astonishing if you compare them to the number of times a married couple has sex. Which, if my memory serves correctly, happens about twice in five books.

Nor are the various defenses of Martin that have been offered valid. As Tafkar notes: "the only thing that protects a woman from rape is being one of Martin’s POV characters." 

More damning is this conclusion: "The stories of rapists are important to George R. R. Martin. Those are the stories he tells. Our point of view characters are the rapists, not the victims." 

George R.R. Martin well merits his fate. 

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100 Comments:

Blogger DaveofSpades May 28, 2015 11:39 AM  

"Spoiler: the only women who get vengeance on their rapists are villains."

I didn't know that there was ANY character in those books that WASN'T a villain.

Blogger JartStar May 28, 2015 11:39 AM  

The night of long rabbit incisors approaches.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 11:43 AM  

The chances of GRRM not having a deviant rape fetish are significantly low. It's not that writing about something means a person endorse it, it's that when the entire series is all about it, constantly, with examples by the hundreds, that you begin to wonder.

Blogger Ingemar May 28, 2015 11:44 AM  

People complain that LoTR doesn't have enough females.

I guess more females means more rape.

Blogger Laughingdog May 28, 2015 11:46 AM  

Is there anything that SJWs *don't* find problematic at this point?

Blogger JartStar May 28, 2015 11:48 AM  

I bet that if someone did an analysis of the top 10, modern, gritty (nihilistic), fantasy series they are filled with rape.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 11:48 AM  

"George R.R. Martin well merits his fate. "

Yes he does.

Anonymous Pax Romana May 28, 2015 11:49 AM  

"I didn't know that there was ANY character in those books that WASN'T a villain."

Well, I think I recall Sam Tarly wasn't "technically" a villain, but more a fat, whiny coward (Martin's accidental Mary Sue?).

Blogger Chester Lyman May 28, 2015 11:50 AM  

Its a shame that a potentially useful word like "problematic," has been "literally" ruined.

Anonymous DavidKathome May 28, 2015 11:51 AM  

Some "rapes" this person is counting are husbands having sex with their wives. I haven't watched the TV series, just read the books up through Crows, why would Drogo taking Daenerys be rape?

Anonymous Gecko May 28, 2015 11:51 AM  

This makes the shrieking about rape in the TV series more ridiculous. The banshees obviously haven't read the books.

It's also funny that George's response seems to imply that they shouldn't criticize him because the books totally aren't as bad as the show.

Blogger Youngblood May 28, 2015 11:52 AM  

I said this (belatedly) in a prior thread, but I think it bears repeating.

Former Minnesota Viking and current sci-fi author and Twitter-celebrity SJW Chris Kluwe has admitted to knowing about a statutory rape that took place in the team locker room, but doesn't seem to have provided information to authorities about it. Former Jeopardy! champion and current SJW hashtag activist Arthur Chu has admitted that he has known rapists (note plural) but didn't say anything because rape is (supposedly) normal. Samuel R. Delany wrote of a former lover who would break into the homes of old women and rape them and there's no indication that he ever said anything to the authorities about this.

Writing stories set in a savage and pitiless fantasy world is a far cry from remaining silent about rape. Martin is not in the same category. However, Martin's novels and the TV show based on them use rape to titillate.

I can't help but wonder if the Left's belief in a pervasive rape culture has less to do with the culture at large and more to do with what's going on in their own heads and social circles.

Blogger Chester Lyman May 28, 2015 11:52 AM  

They need to consult Whoopi Goldberg to distinguish between "rape" and "rape rape."

Anonymous Sun Xhu May 28, 2015 11:55 AM  

Blazing Saddles... memories. :)

"Where all the white women at?" Classic.

Blogger automatth0x3ew May 28, 2015 11:56 AM  

"I can't help but wonder if the Left's belief in a pervasive rape culture has less to do with the culture at large and more to do with what's going on in their own heads and social circles."

Leftists always project.

Anonymous Gecko May 28, 2015 11:56 AM  

why would Drogo taking Daenerys be rape?

When using reductio ad absurdum, one must assume the premises of the opponent.

Blogger bob k. mando May 28, 2015 11:57 AM  

Laughingdog May 28, 2015 11:46 AM
Is there anything that SJWs *don't* find problematic at this point?



of course not. but then, the point is not whether or not something is qualitatively 'problematic', it's whether or not an SJW can figure out a reason to throw a temper tantrum.

this is not to say that they don't sometimes have a point.

i warned germ that this was happening. his reply was that, as a public figure, he needed to have thick skin.

*rolleyes*

otoh, he is correct that brazening it out is the only option he's got. it's not as if he can recall all the books and abridge the rape scenes at this point.

perhaps if he were to establish a foundation for poor, young, black lesbian victims of rape?

Anonymous Donn #0114 May 28, 2015 11:59 AM  

Ingemar - Eowyn gets the best lines in the series. And the best deeds.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 12:00 PM  

The chances of GRRM not having a deviant rape fetish are significantly low. It's not that writing about something means a person endorse it, it's that when the entire series is all about it, constantly, with examples by the hundreds, that you begin to wonder.

weiner!

Blogger Krul May 28, 2015 12:00 PM  

Strange how they didn't notice before. They were fine with a "dark", "adult" franchise right up until Sansa was the victim. Then, after five books and forty-six episodes, suddenly it became "problematic".

Incidentally, I hate the misuse of that word. The fact that GRRM produces vile, crass entertainment does not in fact constitute a problem for anyone.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 28, 2015 12:01 PM  

SJWs do have a remarkable tendency to eat each other, don't they? That's because they have no principles; they simply do what makes them feel good in the moment.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 12:02 PM  


perhaps if he were to establish a foundation for poor, young, black lesbian victims of rape?


The accepted means of redress is to have his fans make unfulfilled pledges to such a foundation every time someone criticizes him...

Blogger Noah B #120 May 28, 2015 12:06 PM  

GRRM still has options. This is easily fixable by a high six figure cash contribution to the Clinton Foundation.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 12:06 PM  

"Strange how they didn't notice before. They were fine with a "dark", "adult" franchise right up until Sansa was the victim. Then, after five books and forty-six episodes, suddenly it became "problematic""

Yeah, you'd think the fuglies would've been okay with her getting raped. She is after all attractive. I figured they would've done their revolting (heh) if Brienne the proto-feminist had gotten the GRRM treatment.

Blogger Giraffe May 28, 2015 12:07 PM  

Oh well, he wasn't going to finish the series anyway.

Anonymous Quartermaster May 28, 2015 12:10 PM  

"I can't help but wonder if the Left's belief in a pervasive rape culture has less to do with the culture at large and more to do with what's going on in their own heads and social circles. "

Most probably. Thieves think everyone else is a thief because that's his sick worldview. Same with SJWs.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo May 28, 2015 12:14 PM  

@Obvious
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I thought Vox warned you about trolling here.
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Secondly you really ought to know better. The Puppies encompass a wide demographic. The Evil Legion, by contrast, generally endorse married sex and prefer to burn rapists at the stake.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 28, 2015 12:18 PM  

GRRM being buysexual sees rape as a way to save money.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 12:20 PM  

"Same with SJWs."

SJWs think women can be soldiers because male SJWs are so weak and pathetic that women look strong compared to them. Therefore, all men must secretly be weak!

Everything gets run through the SJW filter in their brains before churning out some hackeneyed thought not based in any way on reality.

Blogger VD May 28, 2015 12:22 PM  

This is the second time in two days you've been cyberstalking here, Obvious. That's seven attempts to harass in two days. You really need to stop it.

Blogger rcocean May 28, 2015 12:23 PM  

I defense of Martin those 214 rapes are spread out over 5000 pages, so its one rape per 24 pages of prose. And he has to keep the readers awake and you can only kill/torture so many men.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 28, 2015 12:23 PM  

Well folks, I think we found the real "rape culture."

Blogger rcocean May 28, 2015 12:25 PM  

What's the body count up to in the TV series? It has to be well over 214, as is the number of nude bodies and sex acts.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 12:26 PM  

"I defense of Martin those 214 rapes are spread out over 5000 pages, so its one rape per 24 pages of prose. And he has to keep the readers awake and you can only kill/torture so many men."

So that's like a rape every other chapter then. Given how much it happens there's no way anybody could know who even their grandparents were with any degree of certainty.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 28, 2015 12:27 PM  

They need to consult Whoopi Goldberg to distinguish between "rape" and "rape rape."

On her scale, "rape rape" is of a higher magnitude than drugging a 13 year old girl and sodomizing her.

I think GRRM qualifies in this case given that some of rapes include forced bestiality.

Blogger Dexter May 28, 2015 12:31 PM  

Frankly I was more offended by the acts of pig-riding than the acts of rape.

Blogger Dexter May 28, 2015 12:34 PM  

Well folks, I think we found the real "rape culture."

Wait, are we talking about female schoolteachers now?

Blogger Josh May 28, 2015 12:37 PM  

that's a lot of rape

Blogger bob k. mando May 28, 2015 12:40 PM  

Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 12:02 PM
The accepted means of redress is to have his fans make unfulfilled pledges to such a foundation every time someone criticizes him...



no, you're failing to grasp the fundamental difference between a rabbit-in-good-standing ( writes essays about 'Life on the easiest setting' and 'If I were a Republican my love, I'd rape you' ) and a rabbit in the process of being ejected from the Warren.

in the former case, it was all just signalling back and forth between the author and his fanbois, no actual contribution required.

germ is probably going to be required to kneel at the feet of Non-Asian Minority Feminism
http://www.ywca.org/site/c.cuIRJ7NTKrLaG/b.7515807/k.2737/YWCA__Eliminating_Racism_Empowering_Women.htm
and make a significant contribution out of all that filthy tv money he's gotten.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 12:48 PM  

"that's a lot of rape"

He likes rape.

Blogger Daniel May 28, 2015 12:50 PM  

This is not a problem. HBO can always option Scott Bakker.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 12:51 PM  

no, you're failing to grasp the fundamental difference between a rabbit-in-good-standing ( writes essays about 'Life on the easiest setting' and 'If I were a Republican my love, I'd rape you' ) and a rabbit in the process of being ejected from the Warren.

Mea culpa.

germ is probably going to be required to kneel at the feet of Non-Asian Minority Feminism

Doesn't he pay good money to do that very thing already?

Blogger Harsh May 28, 2015 12:54 PM  

What about all the lustful glances and inappropriate touching? Micro-rape. That counts, too.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 28, 2015 12:57 PM  

culture at large and more to do with what's going on in their own heads and social circles. "Most probably. Thieves think everyone else is a thief because that's his sick worldview. Same with SJWs.

I have had bridges burned because people thought I snitched on a guy in his 30s that had drug sex parties for the underage He was a friend of an ex.. I denied it as there was a easy explanation. He had a rough trade sex criminal on probation living with him. When the probation people came to do an unannounced check on his apartment they would have noticed the black plastic trash bags over all the windows, the pot posters, & the High Times magazines probably tipped them off. If it didn't the smells that one encountered there was incense, cat litter box, or Bob Marley's a-hole. Ryan tried to argue that they couldn't search "his" bedroom because Mike supposedly stayed in a small bedroom with a mattress on the floor, but I guess it didn't work out when there are more than 5 guys waking up in a 1 1/2 bedroom apartment.

Also when I stopped a grandpa Mosses from taking advantage of a friend he roofied, I was banned from the gay bar for bringing the cops in against one of their "best customers". But did I push their buttons when they banned me, what where they going to do call the same cops?

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 1:03 PM  

Compare GRRM to Stephen R. Donaldson. Covenant rapes Lena; Angus and Nick rape Morn; I don't think the girl in the Mordant's Need books gets raped, but the threat is definitely there; and while Ginny doesn't get raped in the Man Who books, the loss of her hand is a similar blow. I think it's fair to see it's a theme he uses.

But I've never gotten the impression Donaldson likes it or gets off on throwing it at his readers. Just the opposite: he sees violence against women as the worst of crimes, so he uses it either to establish a character as pure evil or to show him as fully broken so his redemption will be that much greater.

With GRRM, it increasingly seemed like he just thought writing about it was fun.

Anonymous Steve May 28, 2015 1:09 PM  

George R R Martin prefers the term "surprise sex".

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 1:09 PM  

Incidentally, I hate the misuse of that word.

That's because if they had a faith, they would use "heretical," but they don't (in fact they brag about having no religion) so they have to use "problematic" instead.

Blogger Josh May 28, 2015 1:11 PM  

He likes rape.

And wieners.

Anonymous Steve May 28, 2015 1:15 PM  

The "R R" in George R R Martin stands for "Rape Rape".

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 28, 2015 1:16 PM  

The timing of Martin's ejection from the hutch just weeks after his laughable tussle with the Puppies almost makes it seem planned.

Or... maybe it was! We shouldn't be underestimating the strategic genius of the Puppymasters. Certainly not in public where rabbits might be reading, anyway.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 1:21 PM  

"And wieners."

Guy's a dick.

Anonymous Nathan May 28, 2015 1:21 PM  

"Or... maybe it was! We shouldn't be underestimating the strategic genius of the Puppymasters. Certainly not in public where rabbits might be reading, anyway."

All is as Wendell has foreseen...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 28, 2015 1:24 PM  

I wonder if the show's producers will shy away from "rape" as plot device? As for that Sansa sex bit no more than a boring publicity gag

Anonymous BGS May 28, 2015 1:26 PM  

The timing of Martin's ejection from the hutch just weeks after his laughable tussle with the Puppies almost makes it seem planned.

Wouldn't the Calvinists here say that it was preordained that after he fled from a debate with Vox the rabbits would no longer see him as a leader? Given the way the story is turning, us pointing out that the dwarf who pays for sex would marry the dragon lady seems to be working out.

Anonymous Minion #0172 May 28, 2015 1:27 PM  

"I can't help but wonder if the Left's belief in a pervasive rape culture has less to do with the culture at large and more to do with what's going on in their own heads and social circles."

Absolutely! Obsession with a particular violent or sexual act springs from the secret desire to experience it.

I always thought McCreepy's obsession with rape is the outward expression of the inner longing of his reptilian hindbrain.

For him and GRRM, writing about rape must be a form of catharsis.

Blogger bob k. mando May 28, 2015 1:31 PM  

Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 1:03 PM
But I've never gotten the impression Donaldson likes it or gets off on throwing it at his readers.



let me know when Donaldson gets too triple digit rape acts.


Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 12:51 PM
Doesn't he pay good money to do that very thing already?



probably.

but in the Warren, purchase of past indulgences is no proof against punishment for future sins ...

Anonymous Miserman May 28, 2015 1:47 PM  

Martin is towing the line. In a man's world, there is rape. In a woman's world (i.e. feminist-governed) there is marriage and children.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 28, 2015 1:49 PM  

The funny thing about Sansa's...disturbance, is that the producers really toned it down from the book.

I suppose Reek, "preparing" her was a little much even for HBO.

OpenID dalrock May 28, 2015 1:58 PM  

@Sun Xhu
Blazing Saddles... memories. :)

"Where all the white women at?" Classic.


Much more fitting from the same movie:

Hedley Lamarr: Qualifications?

Applicant: Rape, murder, arson, and rape.

Hedley Lamarr: You said rape twice.

Applicant: I like rape.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bigZ1fmwD-Q

Anonymous Stephen J. May 28, 2015 2:14 PM  

You have to think like an SJ advocate. In that context, any act of sex the woman is not 100% free to refuse without any consequences, pressure or obligation whatsoever constitutes rape. And in the culture of Westeros pretty much *nothing* meets that standard -- marriages are all chosen for political weight and men have too much power to punish reluctant bed partners, and everybody knows it. So non-rape sex is simply not possible in Westeros at all, with perhaps the lone exception of Melisandre the fire priestess.

Clearly the only option is to stop reading and watching the story altogether, which has the side benefit that we don't have to listen to the complaints any more.

Blogger SirThermite May 28, 2015 2:16 PM  

"For [McCreepy] and GRRM, writing about rape must be a form of catharsis."

I wonder what *hearing* about rape does to them then? Before he was an internationally-known cross-dresser, Hines once told me in person that he answered calls on a crisis/rape hotline. I remember it seemed a little strange, but had no inkling of the level of white-knighting he'd eventually reach. Incidentally, back then his hair was longer than that of probably half his female callers.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 28, 2015 2:19 PM  

For some reason this reminds me of a TV show from the 80's called Hunter. About a cop, a detective, named Hunter, and his partner, who was a woman. In two different episodes the female partner was raped, and then, for some reason, the writers decided that they needed another episode where the partner got raped. At which point the actress playing the female partner got so upset that she quit the show.

Cause back in the 80s we thought that was a lot of rape.

Blogger SirThermite May 28, 2015 2:20 PM  

By the way, Hines is an IT guy and a fantasy author, so "McCreepy" is McRedundant

Blogger Dexter May 28, 2015 2:23 PM  

Before he was an internationally-known cross-dresser, Hines once told me in person that he answered calls on a crisis/rape hotline.

For him that was waaaaay less expensive than paying for phone sex.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 28, 2015 2:26 PM  

There must be a way to find a role for Bill Cosby next season.

Blogger Giraffe May 28, 2015 2:31 PM  

There must be a way to find a role for Bill Cosby next season.

Good idea. That mattress carrying chick needs a part too.

Anonymous Will Waite May 28, 2015 2:34 PM  

It might be a weird fetish for Martin. Or just a way to use more shock value to hold onto viewers and readers.

Blogger Daniel May 28, 2015 2:44 PM  

This is not a problem. HBO can always option Scott Bakker.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 28, 2015 2:45 PM  

"Good idea. That mattress carrying chick needs a part too."

I still don't understand how making a rapist more comfortable is a protest against rape. But whatever. I'm sure there's a place for her in that assassin's cult that Arya has hooked up with.

Anonymous KC9ZNR May 28, 2015 2:48 PM  

I recently read GRRM's novelette "Sandkings" and came away thinking the author had some serious issues. Decent writing, but from a sick imagination.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 28, 2015 2:49 PM  

Martin is drastically over rated as an author. He is decidedly not a peer of Umberto Eco, no matter what the brainless Amanda Marcotte seems to believe.

His real money maker until about 2000 was Showtime's iteration of The Outer Limits. A show that attempted to combine Campbellian science fiction with Cinemax After Dark.

There is a taste of what was to come in Game of Thrones to be found in the Outer Limits.

Before that his specialty was science fiction horror. Which I will grant he was pretty good at. He could manage that British science fiction trick, evoking the vastness of time. John C. Wright can manage that but most American SF writers can't. Two hundred years in the future is about as far as we go.

I will also grant I'm rather curious about how Nightflyers became a movie. It wasn't a good movie but it was a movie and that was apparently enough. It remember it...sort of. It starred the first Robin of Sherwood and the Night of the Comet girl. It had to do with a hologram captain and his unhealthy (possibly sexual) relationship with his clone mother. And ten little indians who are getting picked off as they look for an ancient space going race.

Bottomline here, it was just a short story of Martin's and hardly his best but somehow he parlayed that story into a B-Movie, which lead to the Outer Limits. Which lead in turn to that most desirable of late 1990s book contracts, the one for the gigantic fantasy book.



Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 3:09 PM  


His real money maker until about 2000 was Showtime's iteration of The Outer Limits.

I always thought it was Beauty and the Beast

Blogger Nate May 28, 2015 3:25 PM  

From the article:

"George R.R. Martin says that there was no concept of marital rape in the Medieval era, therefore it doesn’t make sense to have it here. However, the reason there was no concept of marital rape was due to the teachings of the Christian church, in which a woman’s body was the property of her husband."

That is spectacularly stupid.

Blogger Josh May 28, 2015 3:43 PM  

I liked this part of the i09 story about this:

Warning: If you click on the link, you will see a whole lot of triggering descriptions of brutal acts from both the TV show and the Song of Ice and Fire books. I came away from this needing to bleach my brain.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 4:00 PM  

So whats the agenda here? Why now are the SJWs going after Martin?

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 4:04 PM  

a whole lot of triggering descriptions

Ha! Now that's funny: a bunch of SJW hothouse flowers being fans of a nihilistic TV show until being triggered by a scene where a wife has unpleasant sex with her new husband, then reading about the books and seeing all the much worse stuff there. Given how obsessed they are with punishing even second-hand connections to bad-thinkers, a discovery like that has to be scary for them: "Oh crap, my Facebook page says I Like this series, and I've written three blog posts gushing about it! What if I'm accused of supporting rape?!"

I suspect we'll see a lot of preemptive "I had no idea; I just like the costumes!" in coming days until this blows over.

Blogger bob k. mando May 28, 2015 4:05 PM  

because the feminists, who hadn't been reading Old White Male fiction, have started to take note of all the degenerate behavior in the television show ... and are now reading the books.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 4:10 PM  

Why now are the SJWs going after Martin?

He's a white man.

Do you think they need another reason? Well, he failed pretty spectacularly in taking down the Puppies, but I don't know how much the wider TV-monitoring SJW forces are aware of that.

Anonymous Musashi #0350 May 28, 2015 4:12 PM  

SJWs say "problematic" a lot.

It must be part of their "Oppression Studies" degree program.

Blogger Dexter May 28, 2015 4:15 PM  

SJWs say "problematic" a lot.

It's one of the words they love because they think using it makes them sound intelligent.

"Conflate" is another one.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 28, 2015 4:20 PM  

Beauty and the Beast was definitely his baby but it wasn't on long enough to be worth much.

In those days the only real TV money was in syndication.

Anonymous Strange Aeons May 28, 2015 4:25 PM  

Does this make GRRM "McRapey Sr" now?

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 28, 2015 4:38 PM  

>"Conflate" is another one.

That's a shame, "conflate" is a good word.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 4:39 PM  

They love "intersectionality" as well. It's like their buzzword for trying to sound intelligent.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 4:40 PM  

SJWs say "problematic" a lot.

It's from Firefly: River is trying to eat a dessert that's like a ball of ice cream hanging from a string that's attached to a stick, and it keeps moving away when she tries to eat it. It's a pretty funny line, because she says it completely deadpan: "My food is problematic." But they've been pounding the word into the ground for a long time now.

I suppose for an SJW, it seems like a safe way to say "this is wrong," for people who claim nothing can be objectively wrong.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 28, 2015 4:43 PM  

>They love "intersectionality" as well. It's like their buzzword for trying to sound intelligent.

They can keep that one, no complaints from me.

Blogger Daniel May 28, 2015 5:09 PM  

Intersectionality is where the brain bleach meets the squee in the nuanced ways of cisgenderism but can be problematic for those who have not yet achieved awareness or had het's consciousness raised.

Thus, the concept is best expressed thusly:

Wow. Just...wow.

Anonymous Fran May 28, 2015 5:23 PM  

Thank God they don't use the word "Ascertain" too much...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrJYpActs7g

Blogger Cee May 28, 2015 5:24 PM  

This is not a problem. HBO can always option Scott Bakker.
HehehHEHHHehehehehehehheheh.

I think they ought to do this. This is a good idea.

Anonymous MendoScot May 28, 2015 6:42 PM  

Theodore Dalrymple has identified a new health problem, pre-traumatic stress disorder. Related back to the 3BP and the cultural revolution:

In her book, Yang Jiang hints only obliquely at her suffering. For example, she describes how her son-in-law, also a university teacher, committed suicide rather than provide a list of “unreliable elements” to the Workers’ Propaganda Team that were preparing to “struggle” him.

Blogger Giuseppe May 28, 2015 6:46 PM  

Makes sense. Once you see what that fat, oleaginous dwarf looks like, it stands to reason that the only way he can see himself getting some without paying heavily for it is through rape.

Anonymous Rolf May 28, 2015 7:27 PM  

Compare the freakout to how Fifty Shades of Gray is received, where the whole thing is, in effect, about a man psychologically breaking a woman down in order to torture and rape her... and yet that is seen as "empowerment."

Very, very strange and inconsistent principles they have.

Blogger Harsh May 28, 2015 9:21 PM  

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Blogger Harsh May 28, 2015 9:22 PM  

They love "intersectionality" as well. It's like their buzzword for trying to sound intelligent.

Huh, I thought that meant the ability to negotiate the right of way at a four-way stop.

Blogger Jack Ward May 28, 2015 10:59 PM  

So, the SJW crowd is going after Martin? Around here having the SJW dogging you is a mark of high honor. I mean, its not like the Ilk are unarmed in these arenas. Let them do their worse; its how you can sharpen what ever needs sharpening.

As for Obvious and the stalking. I see it as instructional. Let the troll go for it; for a time, at least. Maybe we can learn something. I think.

Blogger automatthew May 29, 2015 12:08 AM  

"As for Obvious and the stalking. I see it as instructional. Let the troll go for it; for a time, at least. Maybe we can learn something. I think."

That time has passed. The big hand is now pointing at LAMENTATION OF THEIR FLESHLIGHTS.

Blogger automatthew May 29, 2015 12:11 AM  

Original Gamma

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 29, 2015 1:34 AM  

It is good to see people coming to agree with my long held and publically stated opinion that Westeros's chief usage is as HVWIOS *high velocity wall impact systems.

Blogger Steven Johnson May 29, 2015 8:25 AM  

I abandoned Martin's WILD CARDS shared-universe series, despite a wonderful first volume, because of all the rape and sexual degredation. It didn't start with Game of Thrones -- he's had this issue for decades.

Blogger Marissa May 29, 2015 12:05 PM  

The funny thing about Sansa's...disturbance, is that the producers really toned it down from the book.

I suppose Reek, "preparing" her was a little much even for HBO.


Huh? I don't think that's Sansa in the books. Sansa is still a widowed virgin the books.

Also, regarding Donaldson, I almost think the "mind control device" things were worse than the rape. Maybe the rape was meant to be a foil to Morn and Angus's total helplessness. In which case the violence serves a purpose beyond mere titillation, unlike Martin's work.

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