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Friday, May 22, 2015

Just a reminder

Kicking Puppies is not nice. Glenn Hauman issued a second call for anti-Puppy Amazon reviews, this time on File 770:
Glenn Hauman on April 15, 2015
You can game Amazon ratings as well. Here’s a list of all of Mr. Beale’s nominees, complete with handy links to Amazon. It might be a good idea to take a look at the reviews and see which ones are helpful. If you’ve read the works, you should add your own review. Oh, and to answer the title question: what do you do to rabid puppies? You put them down.

Glenn Hauman on May 20, 2015 at 10:51 pm said:
Just a reminder to all Hugo voters: After you’ve read items in the Hugo packet, you don’t have to confine any reviews of them to your own blogs and social media. Feel free to add them to Amazon as well.
And once again, SJWs have obediently responded to his call. Mr. Hauman's actions strike me as a very good way to encourage publishers to stop participating in future Hugo Packets. I mean, why should we do so if it's only going to provide the SJWs in science fiction with another means of attack? Mr. Hauman has demonstrated how the Hugo Packet can be destroyed in a single year; what publisher is going to even be willing to include excerpts when inclusion in the Packet means several hundred one-star reviews on Amazon within weeks?
BIG BOYS DON'T CRY

Not recommended

This is not a very good story. To be honest, it is not my kind of SF and the only reason I read it was because of the Hugo nomination.
Published 3 hours ago by Hampus Eckerman

Lame Whiny Book.
(Disclaimer: I didn't buy the book here; got it as part of the Hugo ballot packet.) David Weber can write cartoon villains and cowardly REMFs and it's fun to read, even...
Published 10 hours ago by Bill Stewart

What a Waste of Time
This must have been a rough year for novellas if this is one of the front-runners for a major award. Did he pay his friends to nominate him?
Published 11 hours ago by Janelle Wilbanks

Dated and amateurish MilSF
Another 2015 Hugo nominee from the Puppies.
Magnolia, a.k.a. Maggie, is a Ratha, an armored war machine in the military forces of a starfaring and aggressive Earth... Read more
Published 21 hours ago by Elisabeth Carey
These reviews averaged 1.5 stars, whereas the 142 other reviews averaged 4.3 stars. Elisabeth Carey is also attacking John C. Wright, giving ONE BRIGHT STAR TO GUIDE THEM its only two-star rating in 80 reviews which otherwise average 4.5 stars. No doubt this is merely a matter of differing tastes combined with some coincidental timing. Again.

Of course, BIG BOYS DON'T CRY and ONE BRIGHT STAR TO GUIDE THEM are not the only Hugo nominees included in the Hugo Packet. ANCILLARY SWORD presently has 204 reviews and a 4.1 rating. THE GOBLIN EMPEROR has 232 reviews and a 4.4 rating. To quote Mr. Hauman: "Just a reminder to all Hugo voters: After you’ve read items in the Hugo packet, you don’t have to confine any reviews of them to your own blogs and social media. Feel free to add them to Amazon as well."

Feel free, the man says. Feel free. On a tangential note, while Chuck D brought us the concept of the one-man riot, Lori Coulson has invented the one-woman blacklist. She's going to continue to not read books by authors she had never read before:
Lori Coulson on May 21, 2015 at 8:38 pm said:
The one thing the Hugo packet has demonstrated to me? That there are a bunch of authors out there I never want to read again, and not only will I not read anything more by them, I definitely won’t be reading anything the “Evil League of Evil” writes, edits or publishes. After being wowed by “The Crucible” in High School and taking the lesson within to heart, I find I’m starting my own personal blacklist. And it makes me very unhappy that it’s necessary to do so.
And here we were told blacklists were bad. Anyhow, this sounds rather like MSNBC's audience threatening to never watch Fox News again.

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148 Comments:

Anonymous TUSigmsIan #0028 May 22, 2015 8:05 AM  

Looks like it is time to head to Amazon and down vote some BS reviews.

Anonymous Ba ba Lori Coulson, circa 2005 May 22, 2015 8:19 AM  

MCCARTHYISM!!!

Blogger t.c. May 22, 2015 8:31 AM  

So fucking childish. Seriously. Why can't you disagree with someone's personal ideology/politics/theology without resorting to these tactics? Even if you think the Puppies gamed the system to begin with (I'm not saying they did), then why not try to be "better" than that? Going back to the post you had last night about what the three options for SJWs were, option 1 really should have been their response. By reacting the way they did initially, it allowed this whole thing to blow up. Sigh...

Blogger Nate May 22, 2015 8:36 AM  

same as it ever was. "good" is defined by what they like. I mean honestly what kind of adult equates poor quality with "not my kind of X"?

Their like children ranting that broccoli must be unhealthy because it isn't what they normal choose to eat.

Blogger James Dixon May 22, 2015 8:38 AM  

> So fucking childish.

The does seem to be the common factor in everything they do, yes.

Anonymous Rob May 22, 2015 8:43 AM  

After being wowed by “The Crucible” in High School and taking the lesson within to heart, I find I’m starting my own personal blacklist. And it makes me very unhappy that it’s necessary to do so.

A few points, presented in a disconnected fashion.

By "taking the lesson within to heart," Ms. Coulson means "ignoring the lesson the moment it becomes inconvenient to me."

If this decision to ignore the lesson of a cherished work of literature truly makes you "very unhappy," why would you trumpet it on a public forum?

One wonders, what precisely makes this decision necessary? I don't consider it necessary to avoid the works of Philip Roth or Jonathan Franzen, for example. I simply don't particularly like them, and thus do not read them.

Anonymous Tom May 22, 2015 8:43 AM  

It makes me worried for the future. If most people are this depth of stupid, who is going to grow the food? WHO IS GOING TO GROW THE FOOD????

I need to get that farm bought...

Blogger VFM 188* May 22, 2015 8:44 AM  

You're still in high school, baby.

For everyone else, remember: SJW's. Always. Lie.

Always. Including in book reviews.

Blogger August May 22, 2015 8:47 AM  

If you kick puppies on Amazon, you tend to do so with your real name.

Anonymous SWW May 22, 2015 8:56 AM  

You can game Amazon ratings as well

So.....

These are the new rules???

Anonymous Jourdan #200 May 22, 2015 8:57 AM  

Imagine what kind of mediocre mind is "wowed" by The Crucible.

Anonymous Jourdan #200 May 22, 2015 8:58 AM  

@ Tom - BRAWDO is going to grow the food. It's got electrolytes and what plants crave. Duh.

Anonymous The Deuce May 22, 2015 8:59 AM  

So apparently she thought the lesson of The Crucible was "try to be the one conducting the witch hunts"?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 22, 2015 9:00 AM  

Sounds like the interns at Tor putting their useless English Lit degrees to use, good for them

Anonymous p-dawg May 22, 2015 9:02 AM  

Hey, you idiot SJWs, all I have to say to you is, "More weight."

Anonymous Alexander May 22, 2015 9:04 AM  

Sounds like the interns at Tor putting their useless English Lit degrees to use, good for them.

I confess, I was secretly hoping they'd at least first try and fetch-us-a-coffee to death.

Remember kids, the narrative is everything. An SJW downgrading Kratman or Wright intrinsically lowers the quality of the book!

What utter tools. Still, Kratman's a lawyer. Wright's a lawyer. They are attacking these two gentlemen's income stream. And Vox's company.

This is going to end well.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 9:09 AM  

Composing Amazon reviews of works of authors you hate while speed-eating Cheetos and desperately trying to gain the affection of cats who secretly despise you is no way to go through life.

On the other hand, they now have our attention... I hope they enjoy it as much as they thought they would.

Blogger Krul May 22, 2015 9:10 AM  

After being wowed by “Animal Farm” in High School and taking the lesson within to heart, I now know that all are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Anonymous Bz May 22, 2015 9:17 AM  

Doesn't Amazon have a policy against gaming reviews? Wait a decent while to let them do their business, collect their names and report them. It's a start.

Blogger Rabbi B May 22, 2015 9:18 AM  

"And it makes me very unhappy that it’s necessary to do so."

Awww . . . so brave. So noble. We are touched. We are moved. We are awed. We tremble.

Is this tripe supposed to elicit some kind of emotional response to some noble, brave, and sacrificial deed? No matter what, it's all about THEM at the end of the day. Yes, I am certain that the feigned unhappiness will be the cause many a sleepless night to come.

Nauseating.

Blogger VD May 22, 2015 9:20 AM  

Doesn't Amazon have a policy against gaming reviews?

Yes, just as authors aren't even supposed to review books in the same genre. They don't enforce anything except the most extreme vulgarity.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 May 22, 2015 9:22 AM  

Let me remind you again that there is no more anti-human force in all the world than secular humanism and its boot-licking slave, liberal politics.

........I didn't write that. I just quoted it as the best thing I've read this week. I wish I had written that. I wish I'd thought it. I grateful someone else did.

Anonymous Legatus May 22, 2015 9:23 AM  

Has Amazon been notified of Mr. Glenn Hauman's actions? He is trying to get others to use Amazon to commit libel, what does Amazon think of that? They probably don't even know about it, so it is time to inform them. Otherwise, this will rapidly escalate and ruin Amazon's rating system, and they don't want that.

Anonymous SWW May 22, 2015 9:23 AM  

How about leaving a comment that says: "Sounds like another review by a sorry SJW upset over loss of control of the Hugo awards."

Anonymous Bz May 22, 2015 9:26 AM  

Libel whispered to the media, you'll never work in this town again, fake reviews on Amazon, change the rules to suit themselves better, entryism to sabotage the other side from within and who knows what else.

I find it quite significant that these people don't even try to beat us by being ... better.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 May 22, 2015 9:29 AM  

It is truly asinine to vow not to read something that you weren't going to read in the first place, and to do so publicly, and to expect to be praised for it. And yet the SJWs love, love, love doing that. I noticed it was a pattern before I even knew what SJWs were.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 9:29 AM  

They don't enforce anything except the most extreme vulgarity.

As abuses continue, I expect they'll eventually have to do something to preserve the usefulness of the system for their customers. Either a two-tier system where the ratings are limited to verified purchasers and the non-verfied may review, but not rate books or simply limit all ratings and reviews to those who have made verified purchases of the works from Amazon.

Anonymous Homesteader May 22, 2015 9:32 AM  

"WHO IS GOING TO GROW THE FOOD???"

C'mon Tom, didn't you see Soylent Green?

SJWs ARE the food...

Anonymous Bz May 22, 2015 9:35 AM  

Perhaps I misremember, but I believe I read that Amazon took action against marketers who sold masses of fake five-star reviews to publishers and authors. Hauman is inciting people to leave fake reviews, which at least seems to be in the same general area of abuse.

By the way, it might even be an interesting student paper for someone to monitor how the Amazon pages of the nominees change before the Hugos this fateful year.

Blogger VD May 22, 2015 9:47 AM  

Either a two-tier system where the ratings are limited to verified purchasers and the non-verfied may review, but not rate books or simply limit all ratings and reviews to those who have made verified purchases of the works from Amazon.

If I were Amazon, I'd limit reviews to those who made verified purchases and shut down the accounts of those found making fake or abusive reviews. I'd also set up an algorithm or three to identify suspected griefers.

They're clearly moving in that direction with the Verified Purchase flag. It's just a matter of time.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 22, 2015 9:53 AM  

I'm still trying to figure out if they truly hate the work or they are so blinded by their destructive ideology that it interferes with their perspectives too much.

Anonymous Alexander May 22, 2015 9:59 AM  

It was nice of Amazon to open it up to the hoi polloi, but there's really no reason to allow non-Amazon buyers to rate and review on Amazon itself. If anything, it's a small incentive to buy the book there, if you feel the need to express your opinion to Amazon's market.

Amazon will catch on. I suspect they never wanted to have it fully open but figured they'd have to fight a PR battle over it. The SJWs are just speeding up the process of handing over the moral ground.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 22, 2015 10:04 AM  

I'm still trying to figure out if they truly hate the work

The works are irrelevant, if they even read them. They aren't making anti-Puppy attacks because they honestly think the works are bad, any more than Soviet commissars killed Ukrainian farmers because their cabbages were too small.

Anonymous Small Girlish Hands May 22, 2015 10:06 AM  

In all fairness, Space Marine Kratman's writing really is terrible. When some fan-fiction dweeb on the internet can completely dismantle your novel and create a far more entertaining read in the process, it doesn't speak too highly of the words coming out of the Djinn's small, girlish hands.

A Desert Called Peace is one of the few books I've ever read that I had to put down part-way through, even at free it's a ripoff.

Anonymous Nathan May 22, 2015 10:09 AM  

Oh, look, Spacebattles.

Would this be Athene, of whom ESR said about her review of BBDC: "Which mostly seems to be her rather childishly projecting her personal issues all over the book. A shame she couldn’t give Kratman any credit for trying to extend his range. The attempt may be clumsy in some ways, but at least he’s making it."?

Blogger Danby May 22, 2015 10:09 AM  

You use that word, "fairness." I think it does not mean what you think it means.

Blogger James Dixon May 22, 2015 10:09 AM  

> By "taking the lesson within to heart," Ms. Coulson means "ignoring the lesson the moment it becomes inconvenient to me."

No, no. That's not the lesson she means. Her lesson is: Lying children can cause endless amounts of trouble for adults.

Blogger Marissa May 22, 2015 10:10 AM  

Stop trolling, squirrel.

Amazon should have two ranks, the rankings of verified purchasers and the rankings of the unwashed. I only buy Castalia House stuff from Castalia so you guys get more money, so I would be part of the unwashed, but I don't care.

Also, it should hearten everyone that for every fake, crappy review that was posted in the last 48 hours, there are 1 or 2 positive ones.

Blogger Double E May 22, 2015 10:12 AM  

this is crazy. they are like somebody in an apartment complex trying to burn down their next door neighbors dwelling, somehow thinking they will be immune from the conflagration.

They have no idea what they are doing

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 10:13 AM  

A Desert Called Peace is one of the few books I've ever read that I had to put down part-way through

Me too. I was laughing too hard at the names of the terrorists to continue for a while. Forget the Hugos, Kratman deserves a Mark Twain Prize. But I wouldn't expect you to understand you bint mejnunah.

Anonymous Nathan May 22, 2015 10:22 AM  

Not that I think our likely drive-by poster is Athene, but the Space Marine crack and the appeal to what is likely her review tips me off to the likely rabbit warren of origin.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 10:26 AM  

the Space Marine crack

Just another indicator that she didn't read it. She read about it.

Blogger Chiva May 22, 2015 10:28 AM  

" When some fan-fiction dweeb on the internet can completely dismantle your novel and create a far more entertaining read in the process"

If you think the writings of a 'dweeb' is entertaining then what are you?

Stupid is as stupid does - Forrest Gump.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 22, 2015 10:44 AM  

Lori Coulson - I find I’m starting my own personal blacklist. And it makes me very unhappy that it’s necessary to do so.

Lori Coulson doesn't like glocks.it makes me very unhappy that it’s necessary that I never eat her out, NATE SHE IS ALL YOURS.


Hey, you idiot SJWs, all I have to say to you is, "More weight." You know how they feel about fat shaming.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 22, 2015 10:59 AM  

Since we are, by definition, evil and therefore not truly human then lying and slander is perfectly acceptable methods to use in order to create the secular utopia that our very existence obstructs.

Its obvious.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 11:04 AM  

Oh, I suppose I could have defused all this if I'd let Athenatos (AKA T. Hana Tospuss y Cabeza de Tarra Farsante) blow me, as a pshrink friend of mine is convinced is S/H/It's goal in life, but...nah...just can't swing that way.

Hey, Stil, you were a jarhead. My take on Cabeza de Tarra Farsante is that no jarhead in history has ever been so integrity challenged, or so rude to age or rank, hence the dick-docked-dissimulatrix could not possibly have been a member of anyone's beloved Corps. Add in the fact that S/H/It has been lying to the world, to include S/H/Itself since shortly after birth about one of the more important things in life, to wit, "What am I?" Then, for a final bit of evidence, D3 claims to have attempted suicide, with a pistol, AND FAILED. Now what kind Marine could all that be true of? I mean, what kind that actually became a Marine and managed to get through boots?

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 22, 2015 11:08 AM  

Funny, I think it was two days ago I was asking if somebody was keeping a naughty list, and now they've gone and made one for us, with their real names and everything. You can't make this shit up.

Blogger Russell (106) May 22, 2015 11:12 AM  

@Bz
I find it quite significant that these people don't even try to beat us by being ... better.

They've given their best shot, and we have weighed, measured and found them wanting.

The vast unholy machines of EloE are just starting, you can hear the wails of the damned as their souls are consumed as offerings to power the eldritch engines, the VFM vanguard has been deployed to gather intel while the bulk amuse themselves until the sounding of the hunt.

The rabbits think that this can be stopped, that the Evil Overlord can be appeased and his fell will turned aside. If they throw enough bad reviews his baleful eye will blink first and he will slink away shamed by the brave rabbits that stood up to him.

The rabbits are wrong.

Blogger Chiva May 22, 2015 11:14 AM  

Now what kind Marine could all that be true of? I mean, what kind that actually became a Marine and managed to get through boots?

My son just graduated from boot at MCRD San Diego. I know the one word he would have for that person.

"Pussy"

Anonymous Daniel #0189 May 22, 2015 11:15 AM  

Amazon busted me and wiped my reviews in genre years ago when they announced the policy.

Haven't enforced it regularly since, although every once and again I get bumped.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 May 22, 2015 11:17 AM  

They can't beat us by being better - which is no shame whatsover, this isn't kindersoccer where everyone gets a medal. What they are completely able to do is to submit to winners. They'll submit like trained seals to losers though.

Honestly, they simply live in the House of Stairs.

Blogger VFM 188* May 22, 2015 11:19 AM  

MCRD San Diego. Feh! "Disneyland"! :--)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 22, 2015 11:21 AM  

Scratch a female SJW and you find an Alpha widow if not consummated in flesh then of spirit

Blogger Kurt May 22, 2015 11:22 AM  

I really liked Wacht am Rhein - one of my favorite in the Posleen series

Blogger Josh May 22, 2015 11:23 AM  

The Tom Kratman Space Marine thing is triggering and othering and problematic.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 11:23 AM  

Tom, you obviously know more about this particular...ah...individual than I do and I am grateful for that! I had no idea he-she-it claimed to be a Marine, nor can I find any basis for challenging your your excellent reasoning re: that extraordinary claim. Leave aside the ridiculous possibility of a Marine failing to hit the target at that range; no Marine would ever ADMIT to missing the target at that range...

Blogger Steve Moss May 22, 2015 11:27 AM  

Marines don't go through "boot" camp. It's Basic Training.

Chiva- Congratulations about your son. I'd be proud. Semper Fi.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 11:27 AM  

That "pussy" is actually funnier than you think, Chiva. T Hana Tospuss y Cabeza de Tarra Farsante once engaged in a personal attack on spacebabies and then left the dare, "let's see if he's too much of a pussy to come and defend himself," or words to that effect. Well, frankly, I don't think failure to show up in an environment composed of subhumans, or, indeed, any website, is actually necessary, or that one is a pussy for failure to do so. However, that was the standard the dick-docked-dissimulatirx set. So I then engaged in a fairly vicious personal attack in Baen's Bar. Interestingly, D3 failed to show up. Thus, by S/H/It's standards, S/H/It was a pussy, even before it admitted that S/H/It desired not just to be one, but to have one. Now _my_ standard of online pussiness is, "Do you hide behind a pseudonym to be an asshole and get away with it scot-free?" I find nothing particularly reprehensible about the pseudonym, and nothing especially wrong with being an asshole; it takes both. Thus, Athenetos is a pussy by both our criteria, and was too fucking stupid even to realize how thoroughly S/H/It set S/H/Itself up for that.

Which is, come to think of it, yet another increment of proof that S/H/It was never a jarhead, too fucking stupid.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 11:28 AM  

Marines don't go through "boot" camp. It's Basic Training.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 22, 2015 11:34 AM  

Marines don't go through "boot" camp. It's Basic Training.

I seem to remember calling it "boot camp." I seem to remember everyone calling it "boot camp" except the DIs who called it Recruit Training. But only when they were speaking to us.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 11:34 AM  

It's officially, "Recruit Training," isn't it, Still, but everyone calls it "boots," anyway?

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 11:36 AM  

Yep. Evey Jarhead, everwhere, refers to it as "boot camp"

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 22, 2015 11:36 AM  

Also...WHO THE SCREAMING BLUE MONKEY FUCK IS ELIZABETH CAREY??!?!?!?!?!

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 11:37 AM  

She is a librarian in Lawrence, Massachusetts. I am sure I could find her if I thought it necessary to prevent her from breeding.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 22, 2015 11:37 AM  

Brave SJW on Amazon giving a one star rating

Blogger Ingemar May 22, 2015 11:38 AM  

Marines are the only branch in the US Military that refer to their basic training as Boot Camp.

Blogger VFM 188* May 22, 2015 11:38 AM  

It was "boot camp." But then it was far closer to the middle of the 20th century than the end of it. And Drill Instructors were Drill Instructors. If you called one a "D.I." he'd accuse you of calling him a "Dumb Idiot" and beat your ass.

Ooooh man. Those days were so much fun....

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 22, 2015 11:40 AM  

Soldiers go through Basic Training (but we call it boot camp too.)

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 11:40 AM  

"The Tom Kratman Space Marine thing is triggering and othering and problematic."

Have you not seen the illustrations? Just goodle 'em; they're great.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 11:40 AM  

WHO THE SCREAMING BLUE MONKEY FUCK IS ELIZABETH CAREY??!?!?!?!?!

You learn something new everyday around this place:

"Screaming Blue Monkey drink recipe made with Banana Liqueur,Blue Curacao,Sweet and Sour mix,Vodka,"

and this

"Urban Dictionary
Blue Monkey is a phrase used when the act of anal sex has occured. ... phrase is best used right after the act has occured, by calling up a friend and screaming..."

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 11:40 AM  

Now that, at Fort Polk, in 1974, would get one an unenviable number of pushups, Ron.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 11:46 AM  

Whew, I'm glad you included Ron's name in that last comment. Otherwise...

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 11:48 AM  

Oh, yeah; one tries to be careful of things like that.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 22, 2015 11:50 AM  

"Urban Dictionary
Blue Monkey is a phrase used when the act of anal sex has occured. ... phrase is best used right after the act has occured, by calling up a friend and screaming..."

It's a good thing we have the internet, or I wouldn't know how to act in these basic social situations.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 22, 2015 11:53 AM  

@Stilicho

Wow, I learned something new as well.

I knew about the first, from my brief time as a bartender. Since I didn't know how a "Screaming Blue Monkey" was made I went with my standard "recipe-for-stupid-chick-drinks.."

Mix a Fuzzy Navel and pour some grenadine in it.

Had no idea about the second.

Blogger Chiva May 22, 2015 12:01 PM  

@VFM 188

"MCRD San Diego. Feh! "Disneyland"! :--)"

The grandmother of my son's girlfriend is a Marine and stated in a very, very sweet voice "I went to Parris Island, only pussies go to San Diego".

Blogger Marissa May 22, 2015 12:01 PM  

unenviable number of pushups

I'm not sure there's an enviable number of pushups.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 22, 2015 12:16 PM  

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Anonymous Duke of URL May 22, 2015 12:17 PM  

Does anyone actually choose what to read according to anonymous reviews? I, for one, have NEVER done so. I search through the bookseller's site according to the topic I'm interested in that day - then I look at the sample (When available - that's one reason Amazon gets the vast majority of my book-buying money - all booksellers would be wise to copy that policy) and see if I like the "tone" of the writing. THAT's what helps my decision.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 22, 2015 12:20 PM  

Yeah sand fleas are much more challenging than a God damn mountain!

And forgive for stating the obvious...but when it comes to Marine Corps bootcamp, the only place girls are allowed is Parris Island.

OpenID malcolmthecynic May 22, 2015 12:26 PM  

Does anyone actually choose what to read according to anonymous reviews?

Sort of kind of. If I read a book and say, "Huh, now that's interesting," I might check on the readings and skim through some of the highest and lowest reviews. It doesn't necessarily give me straight-out quality, but if you read between the lines you can get a solid idea of *why* people think it's good or bad.

For example, if the one star review is "I would have liked it except for the horribly unrealistic and sexist way women were portrayed," then I probably am not going to have any issues with what this reviewer thought was so horrible.

And if the five star review is "Kudos for the author's realistic portrayal of race relations in the deep south!" I'm probably not going to be impressed with another "White people suck" book.

It's all a matter of paying attention.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 12:27 PM  

And forgive for stating the obvious...but when it comes to Marine Corps bootcamp, the only place girls are allowed is Parris Island.

Because there were already plenty of pussies in San Diego...

Anonymous Scintan May 22, 2015 12:32 PM  

Gaming the system by playing within the rules ≠ Gaming the system by breaking the rules


Seems that's too difficult a concept for the SJWs.

Blogger Nate May 22, 2015 12:34 PM  

"Do you hide behind a pseudonym to be an asshole and get away with it scot-free?

I agree completely. The reason I post under my real name and don't hide my info at all is the simple fact that it gives me more credibility than someone using a handle.

i used to get into it with Bane all the time about it because he thought it was crazy to use your real name... OpSec and all... but in my position... I'm largely untouchable. I own my own business. and the idea of walking up to my house and knocking on the door... well... lets just say that isn't really an option. SWATing is certainly an option but like Larry Corriea and others... I'm not stupid. I'm friends with all the local law enforcement and helped get the police chief and sheriff elected. they know me and my family and they know about swatting as a trolling technique.

So if I say "Tom Kratman your writing sucks balls!" well... you at least know I'm a real guy and with a little digging you can probably call me up and ask me to talk to you about it. And I will.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 22, 2015 12:36 PM  

Because there were already plenty of pussies in San Diego...

Yeah, there was no keeping the girls from climbing over the fence to get to us, that was for sure.

Couldn't blame them, of course.

Anonymous VFM.0157 aka Forrest Bishop May 22, 2015 12:44 PM  

Also...WHO THE SCREAMING BLUE MONKEY FUCK IS ELIZABETH CAREY??!?!?!?!?! -Cataline Sergius May 22, 2015 11:36 AM

She is a librarian in Lawrence, Massachusetts. -Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 11:37 AM

Here is an author by that name - http://www.amazon.com/Elisabeth-Carey/e/B003BWX2C2/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0 Looks like romance stories from the '80s, but she's also an editor for this http://www.amazon.com/Homecalling-Other-Stories-Complete-Judith/dp/188677854X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1432312436&sr=1-1

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A review of Homecoming- Merril's exposition is needlessly verbose and burdened with an overly intellectual style, a style that detracts from her stories' impact on the reader. She uses big words when small ones would do as well or better. Her stories are focused on what happens inside the protagonist's mind, rather than what goes on without.

Examples:
A woman has a deformed child.
A mother misplaces her child who is killed.
Men and women form unconventional mating pairs.
Psi adepts meet at last.

Most describe strong women, their thoughts and emotions. Some are moving, some are entertaining, but all are in microcosm.
They're about gender, about relationships, feelings and about women who are as intelligent as Merril considers herself to be. She said she'd never known another woman as intelligent as she---a revealing statement, and one perceptible in her writing.
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Here is an Elizabetth Carey attending Worldcon- http://sasquan.org/member-list

Blogger sysadmn May 22, 2015 12:54 PM  

When some fan-fiction dweeb on the internet can completely dismantle your novel and create a far more entertaining read in the process, it doesn't speak too highly of the words coming out of the Djinn's small, girlish hands.

But when John C. Wright sits down and knocks out the definitive "If You Were A Dinosaur" response, which contains actual Science Fiction (http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/11/the-queen-of-the-tyrant-lizards/), that signifies nothing, right?

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 22, 2015 1:01 PM  

Here is an Elizabetth Carey attending Worldcon- http://sasquan.org/member-list

That's an interesting list. Mostly by virtue of who isn't on it.

Anonymous VFM.0157 aka Forrest Bishop May 22, 2015 1:20 PM  

Here is an Elizabetth Carey attending Worldcon- http://sasquan.org/member-list

Correction- That Elizabeth. Carey is a Supporting Member, not Attending. There are three other supporting Careys as well. Maybe a whole family bought memberships in order to vote?

Good grief, Arthur Chu is a Panelist- http://sasquan.org/program/participants

I keep going back and forth about attending Worldcon. The idea really gives me the creeps. Speaking of which, check out Roche- http://sasquan.org/masquerade/ BGS, can you decode this one?

Some dots swim into view:
Someone above mentions the SCA being a shopping mart for pedos. I'd gotten a creepy feeling about them before too. And at the cons I've been to, there always seem to be a few children dressed in costumes that were a bit too...adult. Not age-appropriate, more like something a groomer would do. Like that 5-yo that got murdered in her own house (in Texas? 10-15 years ago? Monet? Jean-something? Parents look culpable?) Now add the story of Ed Cramer at Dragoncon. Surely the parents knew. Maybe some of them are bringing their goods to market, Hollywood style?

The GoH writer- http://www.gerrold.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/under-the-eye-of-god_excerpts.pdf
It almost reads as a primer on how not to write. Good grief.

Anonymous FP May 22, 2015 1:31 PM  

"Urban Dictionary
Blue Monkey is a phrase used when the act of anal sex has occured. ... phrase is best used right after the act has occured, by calling up a friend and screaming..."

Ya learn something new everyday from UD. Yesterday it was Rush Limbaugh reading the Urban Dictionary definitions for "big bad mama jama" as someone in Iowa called Hilldog that.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 22, 2015 1:38 PM  

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Blogger Nate May 22, 2015 1:42 PM  

"Nate you didn't take the bait about that woman not liking glocks from my previous post?"

My experience is... women are the only ones that do like Glocks. Like I say.... my wife carries a Glock 36.

Anonymous VFM.0157 aka Forrest Bishop May 22, 2015 1:43 PM  

A couple more dots swim into view, perchance to be connected...

Dot A. The Worldcon GoH puts his example Best Writing up on his website. http://www.gerrold.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/under-the-eye-of-god_excerpts.pdf
"A naked young man- no, only a boy-
just a little too young and a little too pretty, came running out the door carrying his clothes in his hands.
He looked terrified. He came flying, skidding, tripping down the stairs.
He slipped and skidded the last few steps.
Sawyer’s eyes widened in surprise at the sight of the voluptuous boy, but he let him pass.
“That's not Murdock,” he decided.
Apparently, this establishment kept a wider variety of erotic
talents available for the entertainment of its guests than he had previously assumed."

Dot B. http://sasquan.org/masquerade/rules/ David Gerrold Special Award – a costume based on the books or stories by Guest of Honor David Gerrold as declared by the entrant. This category overlaps the above three categories. For a list of David’s works, please see www.gerrold.com.

Anonymous Laz May 22, 2015 1:55 PM  

Talk about one dimensional. Glenn Hauman has basically only written short stories for Star Trek.

Blogger Danby May 22, 2015 2:03 PM  

Like that 5-yo that got murdered in her own house (in Texas? 10-15 years ago? Monet? Jean-something? Parents look culpable?)

Jon-Benet Ramsay.
Colorado, I believe.

Personally, I'd take the the parents and the creepy uncle and the even creepier neighbor out and shoot them all, were it my call. The world wouldn't miss any of them.

My brother was a SMOF back in the '80s and '90s, actually serving as a managing director for a couple of largish cons, so I was peripheral to the con scene at that time. I never got that vibe, at least from the few I attended. Full of losers and sexual freakshows, yes. Shopping mall for pedos, no.

And my son is very involved in the management of an Anime con, and I know they go to very great lengths to protect children there.

But large crowds are incredibly annoying, and con crowds are worse. Why anyone would want to spend a weekend with people like the SJWs on File770 is completely beyond me.

One ironic thing was that my brother was and is a serious conservative, member of College Republicans, Reagan/Bush voter. How he kept that hidden for so many years is a bit of a mystery. Of course, the SJWs were not nearly so powerful back then.

Blogger aut0x3ematthew May 22, 2015 2:04 PM  

BigGaySteve, we can delete the comment, but not edit it.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 22, 2015 2:05 PM  

VFM- I should point out that blonds and Asians can be in their high 20s and still look under 18 if they Nair all their body hair off as a significant number of gays(but not lesbians) do. I have had to check the IDs of pretty boys that I meet in bars before.

Blogger Tim May 22, 2015 2:08 PM  

I remember in Airborne School back in the '70s, one of my fellow victims replied "YES, DRILL INSTRUCTOR!" instead of "YES SERGEANT, AIRBORNE!" followed by "Oh Shit!" but he got off scott free because the Sergeant was laughing too hard over the Oh Shit part.

Blogger Daniel May 22, 2015 2:57 PM  

Why anyone would want to spend a weekend with people like the SJWs on File770 is completely beyond me.

Hrm. We are not locked in here with them.

They are locked in here with us.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 22, 2015 3:29 PM  

BigGaySteve, we can delete the comment, but not edit it. aut0x3ematthew or Vox please delete the 1:38 & 1:40 posts, the SJWs hate apostates.

i used to get into it with Bane all the time about it because he thought it was crazy to use your real name... OpSec and all

Obviously not an option here, Patriot Nurse almost got fired over her video that only suggested looking at risk vs. benefit for vaccines and delaying them. Two days after Dr Ben Carson said illegals bring measles a nurse got fired for posting what he said. I did warn my workplace that I have crazy ex boyfriends.

I have stood up at nursing conventions and defended merit and the 2nd amendment in ways that seem mild here but that had pearls being clutched. A presentation about how we need to get more Hispanics in healthcare I started with "I have had several Hispanic ex boyfriends so I have a unique perspective on this", then softly explained affirmative action recruiters for higher paying(no work token) jobs snatch up those (few)who could pass the merit based boards. Despite the soft pitch the presenter almost needed a fainting couch.

Nate you didn't take the bait about that woman not liking glocks from my previous post?

Hrm. We are not locked in here with them.They are locked in here with us. But we can smell them and vanilla extract under the nose wont cut it.

Blogger Krul May 22, 2015 3:33 PM  

@Daniel

Hrrm

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 22, 2015 4:37 PM  

Thanks for deleting that given the recent SJW CHORF scrutiny it was probably a bad time to put the only positively identifying bit of current info out. Hospitals with 400+ beds can have more than one gay Steve on staff. It would be funny if one of the chorfs looked up old posts and saw I worked at a hospital that a nurse got raped in the employee parking area by a "person of color" and thought it only happened at their local city hospital to call up HR, when it has even happened at multiple hospitals in one city.

Blogger aut0x3ematthew May 22, 2015 4:44 PM  

Persons of color do not rape. They merely impart temporally-distributed justice.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 22, 2015 4:53 PM  

Persons of color do not rape. They merely impart temporally-distributed justice.

John's Hopkins, Bon Secours, and hospitals in NYC, Atlanta, Chicago, Philly, New Orleans, TX, CA, NC & FL would love to know that, they might be able to hire women willing to work for less money if that is not a consideration.

Blogger Danby May 22, 2015 4:57 PM  

@BGS,
it's their duty to get raped, as partial reparations for slavery and Jim Crow and just generally being White. Even if they're Black.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 22, 2015 5:12 PM  

childish

Watch this Alex Jones video* when they confront a group of SJWs. Most revealing part starts around 5'25" when the retards start speaking. Awful, broken children abusing the trust and opportunities society has provided them. I feel anger tinged with a bit of pity but it would not stay my hand.

* I'm not a fan of the great Texas seed salesman but this video captures the essence of the pathetic nihilists we are facing

Blogger Jack Ward May 22, 2015 5:12 PM  

@Chiva: The grandmother of my son's girlfriend is a Marine and stated in a very, very sweet voice "I went to Parris Island, only pussies go to San Diego".

Just so. I went to PI and we called San Diego Marines 'Hollywood' Marines. There were reasons; they seemed to like a lot of pink. And, leather.

Anonymous BGS May 22, 2015 5:13 PM  

Usually if a female brings up men making more I only bring up that men are more willing to work agency or travel jobs. Working for a travel agency its possible to be better off working 3 *13 week assignments and take 13 weeks off, than work 4 *13 week assignments in the same area/zone due to tax home issues.

Blogger Steve Moss May 22, 2015 6:18 PM  

Stilicho- Yes, I kind of do know what I'm talking about, having been a Marine (Parris Island, 84-88).

It is NOT boot camp. It is basic training, though recruit training is technically correct.

Much like it is NOT a fox hole, it is a fighting hole.

Much like it is NOT a drill sergeant, it is a drill instructor. And that does not mean DI.

I could go on.

So no, every "Jarhead" everywhere does not refer to it as "boot camp". If they did, their drill instructors would like to have a word because something obviously failed to take.

I don't know if you are a poseur or a fuck up, but get the language straight.

Blogger Cee May 22, 2015 6:32 PM  

Space Marine Kratman is the best. It helps that he really does look like an Astartes to begin with.

Blogger larnold May 22, 2015 6:40 PM  

Review? Hell. I just bought a few for my kindle. Thanks for the links

Blogger Duke of Earl May 22, 2015 7:44 PM  

But when John C. Wright sits down and knocks out the definitive "If You Were A Dinosaur" response, which contains actual Science Fiction (The Queen of the Tyrant Lizards), that signifies nothing, right?

That was really good.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 22, 2015 8:21 PM  

@Steve Moss,

Lighten up Francis...

Lots of people, and Marines, refer to Basic Training as "Boot Camp"...particularly in casual conversation amongst other service members regardless of Branch.

So yes, Every Marine Everywhere doesn't always use the term "Boot Camp" but virtually everyone has at some point.

Well...at least those who own one or two pairs of civvies do.

Blogger Steve Moss May 22, 2015 8:23 PM  

You are correct.

I'm getting more contrary the older I get.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 22, 2015 8:38 PM  

@Steve Moss,

Not trying to horn in on the intra- Family Dispute™ you three guys have going on...

Just saying thay you're in good company with contrary oldsters.

Anonymous BGS May 22, 2015 8:42 PM  

How about calling it booty camp for the
Marines- http://articles.latimes.com/2001/aug/23/news/mn-37388
Army- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642939/Drill-sergeant-Angel-Sanchez-accused-sexually-assaulting-12-female-soldiers-Fort-Leonard-Wood.html
Air Force-http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/first-of-12-accused-air-force-instructors-convicted-of-raping-trainees/
Navy- This is awkward there doesn't seem to be any rapes reported there. Must be like Churchill's navy

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 22, 2015 8:52 PM  

"Churchills Navy" ???

Rum, the Lash, and Sodomy?

Blogger Cee May 22, 2015 9:00 PM  

Also, left a positive review of my own as a verified purchaser. I am so glad I downloaded it on a whim; it is absolutely amazing.

Copy-editing could've been better, but I have a midwit's obsession with grammatical clarity.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 9:04 PM  

The only problem there, Cee, is that I'm not a Marine. Infantry? Check. Ranger? Check. CIB? Check. Scary eyes? I guess. Marine? No.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 22, 2015 9:48 PM  

>Scary eyes? I guess.

Whaddya mean, you guess? Maybe you've never seen yourself. Here's a picture.

Anonymous Peter #0231 May 22, 2015 10:19 PM  

SSG: You! Take a couple of men and take that hill!
PFC: There's an MG up there! Are you crazy?
SSG: Well, I guess I'll have to tell The Krat that you refused.
PFC: The Krat? You mean that light colonel with those eyes?
SSG: Nevermind, son, I'll get somebody else...
PFC: Fuck. Gimme all your grenades, Sarge.

Anonymous Wanderer May 22, 2015 10:26 PM  

The most interesting comment over at Fille770?

Get over it. We’re not that into JCW.* What we care about is someone gaming the Hugos for commercial gain and/or spite.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 10:27 PM  

Well, AP, there is this problem in that I don't have a reflection in the mirror, so....

Blogger Henry Smith May 22, 2015 10:31 PM  

Those. Are. Scary. Fuckin'. EYES.

Blogger Joe A. May 22, 2015 10:45 PM  

I have difficulty understanding that I am witnessing adults behave this way. This one-star review shit is beyond juvenile. Utterly lacking in shame, honesty, or honor...

Anonymous psuedonomius zen0 May 22, 2015 11:05 PM  

@ Nate

i used to get into it with Bane all the time about it because he thought it was crazy to use your real name... OpSec and all... but in my position... I'm largely untouchable.

I am convinced I could have tracked Bane down from the tidbits of information in his blog.

But I had not the motivation to pursue it, not wanting to get gunned down and all.
I believe I know where Vox resides, within 5-10 miles, and a road he travels on, all just from the bits of information.

I would, however, never discuss it with anybody. And I mean ANYBODY. Ever.
Well, maybe if tortured. Nobody likes the hot lead enema.

But seriously, professionals should have no problem, pseudonym or not.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 22, 2015 11:13 PM  

Joe:

Sometimes I wonder if, in fact, the stupidity is an conscious or unconscious defense mechanism, employed - indeed, overemployed and amplified - by midwits, halfwits, and lackwits, to sicken and drive off those who are brighter than they are.

Of course, of integrity or honor they are bereft. They don't even understand the words, let alone the value.

Blogger kh123 May 22, 2015 11:15 PM  

Always ask for the interrogator's ear near the end. Real close now, let me whisper it to you so that no one else can hear...

You have a powerful namesake to keep pace with, after all.

Blogger kh123 May 22, 2015 11:16 PM  

...Pseudonomius.

Blogger kh123 May 22, 2015 11:20 PM  

...And yup, saw the Amazon reviews.

"He used "MAN" to describe everyone. EVERYONE. Sexissss.

Oh, and the book was terrible."

And they wonder why we think the fish rots in their reviews. The stink may not be at the head of it, but they sure as hell don't take much care to conceal either the timing or the surprise. They make the Nazi use of a retarded Dutch patsy look the height of sophistication.

Blogger aut0x3ematthew May 22, 2015 11:30 PM  

Cee: "Copy-editing could've been better, but I have a midwit's obsession with grammatical clarity."

Volunteer to help Castalia House.

Anonymous zen0 May 22, 2015 11:32 PM  

@ Tom Kratman

Of course, of integrity or honor they are bereft. They don't even understand the words, let alone the value.

This makes me Sad, but not sad enough to not be Rabid. It sucks to have no respect at all for one's enemy, ( I can even garner up some sympathy for rats I must exterminate) but a price must be paid, and collection is due.

My old man was is WWII, and there was some professional respect involved between the individuals on the enemy sides.Maybe especially with the airmen.
There is none of that in this conflict.

Blogger Daniel May 23, 2015 1:44 AM  

That is because the SJW is a problem fundamentally not because he wants different things than normal people (he does) but because he is at heart a coward and a liar and lacks the sanity to be ashamed of this.

So yeah, an enemy without honor. On the bright side, it makes fleeting and uncomfortable spasms of pity for the SJW highly improbable.

Anonymous rho May 23, 2015 2:46 AM  

VXDY uses the cumulative Amazon ranking for dialectic effect, but I love the 1-5 ranking (with comments). Read the best, read the worst, and you'll figure out whether the Thingummy 2.0 is a piece of shit or not.

(Slots 2-4 are for people whose opinion isn't relevant, but who have something wishy-washy to say.)

Well, AP, there is this problem in that I don't have a reflection in the mirror, so...

Kratman is kind of a zealot, but lest we forget, he's also witty as hell. On that basis alone, he should have a Hugo, and maybe an ambassadorship to Fiji.

Blogger Cee May 23, 2015 3:37 AM  

Volunteer to help Castalia House.
Oh, they're taking volunteers for this?

Because I'd absolutely love to help with the copy-editing. That is something I can do.

Blogger Cee May 23, 2015 3:59 AM  

The only problem there, Cee, is that I'm not a Marine. Infantry? Check. Ranger? Check. CIB? Check. Scary eyes? I guess. Marine? No.
There is that.

IGs are cool too, though. Arguably cooler than the Astartes on the grounds of simply being Regular Dudes Who Get Shit Done.

Blogger VD May 23, 2015 6:06 AM  

Because I'd absolutely love to help with the copy-editing. That is something I can do.

Shoot me an email. We have two books coming out soon that could use it.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 23, 2015 10:03 AM  

Funny you should say that, because I _was_ an IG for several years.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 23, 2015 10:07 AM  

Zealot? No, not really. In the funniest online post about me I ever saw someone called me a "true believer." Why was it so funny? Because, rather than being a "true believer," I am a true _dis_believer. Other than God and myself, I don't really believe in much, and certainly nothing that would arise to the level of an ideology.

On the other hand, I can be provoked...

Blogger VFM 188* May 23, 2015 10:56 AM  

Aha! You refute yourself, Col. Kratman! :--)

The reason you can be "provoked" is because you believe in something. And transgressing whatever that something is...provokes you. So...what is it? That something that you believe in?

Blogger Tom Kratman May 23, 2015 11:09 AM  

Not so much; the things that provoke me tend to be about me. In most other cases, I might patiently lecture on why X and such are idiots, or why Z and W philosophies are scams and frauds, but that's still generally a case of disbelief. The stupidity doesn't provoke me, if honest, though the frauds and scams certainly can.

I do believe in truth, integrity, courage, both moral and physical (and the former is frighteningly rare), of course, along with other traditional virtues. I don't believe one can do much to increase any of them in the run of the populace. But ideologies? Both Heaven and Hell are absolute dictatorships; the only difference is who is in charge. Albania and early America are both examples of libertarianism in action. Anything can be true, at some given time and place, nothing is true everywhere and little is true at any given time and place.

Blogger VFM 188* May 23, 2015 11:23 AM  

Forgive me for being contrary and harassing you, Col. Kratman, but....

The reason you say you "believe in truth, integrity, courage, both moral and physical...along with other traditional virtues" is because those values are "true everywhere and...at any given time and place."

Perhaps we need to stipulate that we're talking about human beings (as opposed to aliens or non-human life forms on earth)...but that's the farthest one needs to go: We're talking about humans, and the values you cite do apply "always and everywhere" to human beings...even in the face of the exceptions that the always-clever SJW's always come up with (such as Sophie's Choice).

Blogger Tom Kratman May 23, 2015 12:38 PM  

Ah, semantic issue. I am using true and (impliedly) useful in different ways from you, perhaps. Courage, for example, is or isn't present. It is not, however, true or not true; it's just not that kind of virtue. It may be a mere false front, but in that case it just isn't present. When I say "i believe in___" it really means I believe they're good, not that they're true or false."

Blogger VFM 188* May 23, 2015 1:18 PM  

Point taken, colonel. Whether we call those values "true" or "good," they seem worth upholding. I'll even go out on a limb and add the word "always".

And by the way sir, thank you for your books and writing. More, please! :--)

Blogger Tom Kratman May 23, 2015 2:00 PM  

Yeah, I know, Been difficult for a while now.

Blogger Akulkis May 24, 2015 2:50 AM  

"
What utter tools. Still, Kratman's a lawyer. Wright's a lawyer. They are attacking these two gentlemen's income stream. And Vox's company.

This is going to end well."



Indeed. Tortious Interference with Trade is a well-founded legal concept going all the way back to the 1400's, when some jerk was deliberately scaring ducks away from his neighbor's pond.... a neighbor who made his living selling ducks.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 24, 2015 8:54 AM  

Damages, though, are hard to prove. Moreover, I am by no means convinced that this sort of thing even hurts sales in the long run.

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