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Saturday, May 02, 2015

Mailvox: Sigma's Bane

GJ calls for more of that of which there is not very much to give:
I'm a regular reader of your blog. As I'm not living in the West I'm not participating in Gamergate or conflicts with SJWs so I make the following observations from a distant perspective.

Just as you used not to understand Gammas well, it seems to me that you're overestimating the initiative of the average person who is willing to fight on your side. You've made more than one posts encouraging readers that they too can be leaders in Gamergate. But your sociosexual theory indicates that because most people are followers (ie not Alphas, Betas, or Sigmas but Deltas) they are hardly going to do anything of their own initiative, rather follow an example set by someone they consider as a leader. As an illustration, a Sigma like yourself would hardly care about getting a Minion badge (except maybe for the purpose of demonstration of mass numbers), but many of your readers do, which implies that they still seek a hierarchy within which to operate.

This means that even in the decentralised 4GW nature of the fight firm leadership is still needed. The Hugo nominations were a great way to demonstrate numbers on your side and intimidate the opponent. But if you want the numbers of your supportive readers to be exerted on the Twitter arena, for example, it would appear that regular reminders, along with a more explicit and emphatic instructions (ie. more so than what you've already posted).
And here Rabid Puppies is about as much "leadership" as I can handle without feeling the need to enter a Tibetan monastery and spend the next seven years in mystic contemplation.

That was my favorite thing about the 4GW concept, the way in which it obviated the need for leadership. But GJ is probably right, there is a distinction between a lack of centralization and a lack of leadership. Fortunately, I have reason to know that more of you are taking the initiative in various ways; the Minion badges themselves are an example of this as they weren't my idea or my creation.

Malwyn is still in a foul temper, but she did get another 100 of them out and the outflow is finally exceeding the incoming number of requests. So 130 down, another 180 or so to go.

All that being said, I am very proud of the Dread Ilk and Rabid Puppies. It may be a small-scale action on a tertiary front, but nevertheless, this has been one of the most effective actions against the SJWs in Western culture in decades.

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106 Comments:

Anonymous mistaben May 02, 2015 4:14 PM  

4GW also means that no one knows everything that's going on, which has its benefits. That does not imply that nothing or little is going on. Trust me.

Blogger Corvinus May 02, 2015 4:19 PM  

To put things another way:

One problem with having the entire culture subverted by SJWs is that potential Alphas will tend to be in the mainstream (say, by being Republican businessmen), and therefore be subverted along with the rest of the culture. Therefore, their desire to be group animals neuters them as a threat to the SJWs.

This also means that the only effective high-status-male opposition to the SJWs will come from Sigmas like Vox. Because Sigmas aren't group animals, they see no need to be in the mainstream, but it also means that they can't stand leadership.

Perhaps at some point the anti-SJW coalition will start to attract Alphas, but it would appear we're not really there yet. After all, Gamergate is only about a year old.

(In addition, there are people who are willing to take initiative, but because they lack the knowledge of what exactly to do to go about it, they don't actually do it. Think of a potential entrepreneur who would like to start a business but has absolutely no idea how to go about doing it.)

Blogger Sean May 02, 2015 4:26 PM  

If we marched in lockstep, wouldn't that make us no better than the SjW's?

Blogger bob k. mando May 02, 2015 4:30 PM  

i dunno about that.

but i do know if we march in lockstep across that bridge, we won't have to worry about burning it.

Anonymous Difster May 02, 2015 4:34 PM  

And here I thought we got minion badges because it's amusing that we are very much not minions.

Blogger Vox May 02, 2015 4:34 PM  

If we marched in lockstep, wouldn't that make us no better than the SjW's?

Were you planning on adopting a similarly cavalier attitude towards the truth?

Blogger Bard May 02, 2015 4:37 PM  

That is a pretty decent insight. I agree.

Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 4:38 PM  

"We're Rabid, we're Puppies, and we're in your face." Sound familiar?

Blogger Bard May 02, 2015 4:40 PM  

All we have to do is find more sigmas, piss them off, and make it personal.

Blogger Hunsdon May 02, 2015 4:41 PM  

We few, we happy few, we band of puppies.

Anonymous dw May 02, 2015 4:44 PM  

"We few, we happy few, we band of puppies."

The Few, the Proud, the Canines.

Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 4:52 PM  

The Few, the Proud, the Canines.

Pauci , Superbus , Canines.

Needed to be in Latin.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 02, 2015 4:53 PM  

"All we have to do is find more sigmas, piss them off, and make it personal."

Betas, rather. Betas like organizing things and don't mind not getting credit.

Blogger maniacprovost May 02, 2015 5:13 PM  

Pretty sure he's been following the "find irate Sigmas" plan.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 02, 2015 5:14 PM  

If we marched in lockstep, wouldn't that make us no better than the SjW's?

No, we'd still be better.

One issue is that when you start forming traditional organizations with chains of command and letterheads and so on, which is what Alphas tend to do, those are susceptible to subversion by leftists or (perhaps worse) moderates. Look at the Tea Party, or virtually any other organization that started out opposed to the left. The more organized they are, the weaker they ultimately are.

While GamerGate doesn't have the advantage of organized leadership, it also doesn't have that weakness, so it's virtually impervious to attack. There's no chain of command to insert yourself into, no leader who can be bribed/blackmailed/discredited to shut things down.

That means it's not as obvious when progress is being made, because you can't look at an organizational chart or agenda and see wins being checked off. That doesn't mean it's not happening, though.

Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 5:26 PM  

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Blogger Cail Corishev May 02, 2015 5:36 PM  

Pauci , Superbus , Canines.

[Latin nerd]: Make that pauci superbi canini, since they're all 1st/2nd declension adjectives.

Other than that, you could use "catuli" for "puppies." Also, "superbi" is okay but has some negative connotations other than proud like "snobbish" and "fastidious," so "gloriosi" might be better there. And since it's Latin, you can mix up the word order to get the best flow of syllables: "Pauci, catuli, gloriosi"!

Blogger JACIII May 02, 2015 5:36 PM  

without feeling the need to enter a Tibetan monastery and spend the next seven years in mystic contemplation.

This. A thousand times this.

Tangentially, It is amazing to me many of the Dread Ilk have submitted requests for identical badges and an assigned number. Dread Ilk and Puppies visibility is a viable and useful tool in the war against the SJW and the Minion's badge is clearly an ass-kicker's totem but the association is just a bit too cozy.

I fear this is a precursor to the Difster finally gaining a sinister entryism toehold for his diabolically monolithic Home Owners Association.

Anonymous Gary May 02, 2015 5:36 PM  

I want a "minion badge" for no other reason to walk into SJW "safe areas" and watch heads explode. Just like I enjoy wearing a Ronald Reagan shirt into Starbucks. I hate Starbucks coffee but enjoy the looks I get from the nitwits. Pure entertainment.

Blogger traderdoc May 02, 2015 5:38 PM  

make the following observations from a distant perspective.

Let me make an observation.

I don't care.

Anonymous AlteredFate May 02, 2015 5:43 PM  

The groups represented here are part of a massive "Disorganization." If you have questions, know that everything is provided on a need to know basis. If that doesn't answer your question, then you are not a member.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 02, 2015 5:45 PM  

I second GJ's commentary but I think Vox's plate is full at the moment. No war can be conducted without leadership. One may have a "spiritual" leader and then a "practical" leader. There are ideological gurus and then interested activists that will rise to met the needs of the spiritual but there is always leadership of some sort. Guidance, prodding, influence, inspiration, all these are forms of leadership. Moving things, organizing, getting others to do is the practical side of leadership. There are many forms of leadership.

The same types of leadership that form the backbone of Social Justice movements. Instinct is another form of inner leadership that forms motivation and action. Much behind the Social Justice movement is Instinct--albeit an evil instinct that they work on.

Blogger JACIII May 02, 2015 5:52 PM  

Ronald Reagan shirt into Starbucks. I hate Starbucks coffee but enjoy the looks I get from the nitwits. Pure entertainment.

One need not soil oneself with actual starbucks entry, Gary. Merely parking your Excursion/Suburban/F250 at the curb outside the front windows has the same affect.

Anonymous Discard May 02, 2015 5:55 PM  

W.LindsayWheeler: Like Ghandi and Nehru, the spiritual and political leaders of an independent India.

Blogger Daniel May 02, 2015 6:02 PM  

Us vs. Them is often used to show both sides are just the same. This ignores instances where it is also Smart vs. Stupid or Truth vs. Lies or Good vs. Evil.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 6:08 PM  

Uninformed speculation!

The thing about 4GW is it takes the ratio of opportunistic initiative vs. central planning to a new level. Organization is weakness. In 3GW, low-level officers were given information about operational objectives and encouraged to take initiative at the tactical level. Instead of "charge that hill!" or "surround that hill!" we have "I don't care how you do it, but take that hill".

In 4GW, we just have a bunch of loosely associated people who agree the hill needs to be taken. It doesn't have to be today, or even this century, but maybe one day a guard goes missing, another day somebody notices the supply line is being neglected...

Blogger Corvinus May 02, 2015 6:24 PM  

Betas, rather. Betas like organizing things and don't mind not getting credit.

@automatthew
I'm sure many Dread Ilk are Betas who choose to follow Vox rather than go off on their own.

Pretty sure he's been following the "find irate Sigmas" plan.

@maniacprovost
Either finding them, or making them (passively, of course, via inspiration and as a role model). It would be interesting to know how many rank jumpers there are in the readership here and on Alpha Game, whether Delta>Beta, Delta>Sigma, Gamma>Delta, Omega>Delta, or even Omega>Delta>Sigma (which would take a few years).

@Aeoli Pera
That is true, but I think in 4GW a certain number of leaders are still needed. I'm not sure that Gamergate and Puppies would have become nearly as much of a headache for SJWs without them.

IOW, just enough leaders to be effective, but not so many as to be paralyzed.

Blogger Beefy Levinson May 02, 2015 6:28 PM  

You don't need to actively pursue leadership. Pursue truth above all else, and leadership will be thrust upon you.

Blogger Michael Maier May 02, 2015 6:30 PM  

Wait, hold on... I signed on for a number and maybe buy a shirt to annoy SJWs.

I don't actually have to BE organized, do I?

Blogger Poor Guy May 02, 2015 6:37 PM  

"... which implies that they still seek a hierarchy within which to operate.."

or maybe they just think the patches are funny or cool, it doesn't have to mean they see Vox as a surrogate daddy.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 6:38 PM  

Corvinus,

I agree, but much more cultural leadership than previously. It's like they need to shape the geology of the battlefield by redirecting rivers and such, rather than direct the motions of the armies. Hard for me to explain, too dumb.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 6:39 PM  

Incidentally, Honey Badger Brigade is at $21K.

Anonymous Steve May 02, 2015 6:39 PM  

it doesn't have to mean they see Vox as a surrogate daddy.

Papa...?

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:43 PM  

And here Rabid Puppies is about as much "leadership" as I can handle without feeling the need to enter a Tibetan monastery and spend the next seven years in mystic contemplation.

Nope, not allowed. You're not allowed to go full zen until the war is won, Vox.

To GJ's point -- Just as you used not to understand Gammas well, it seems to me that you're overestimating the initiative of the average person who is willing to fight on your side.

Initiative is a funny thing. Behind a strong leader even Deltas can show a fair amount of initiative, and Vox et al have shown strong leadership in this fight, IMO. At this point of the game I wouldn't count out the ability of almost anyone to take the initiative in new and imaginative ways.

Blogger Blume May 02, 2015 6:47 PM  

Part of the problem is fuck twitter. I ain't using that shitty program.

Blogger Michael Maier May 02, 2015 6:53 PM  

Twitter sucks hog balls. Unless I'm missing something, just trying to view a published conversation is a pain.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 6:59 PM  

Ha! I should have kept up on Heartiste's blog before saying anything.

Anonymous Steve May 02, 2015 7:01 PM  

Michael Maier - Wait, hold on... I signed on for a number and maybe buy a shirt to annoy SJWs.

I don't actually have to BE organized, do I?


The appeal of the Evil Legion of Evil to me is similar to what drew Highlanders to Prince Charlie's banner in 1745.

Belief in the cause - for Lord Vox to rule all mankind and a second Darkness to cover the Earth, yes - but also - and possibly more importantly - a boisterous temperament, much inclined to merrily charge the enemy and gleefully hack him to bits with broadsword or axe.

And, of course, the rapin' and pillagin'. I was led to understand there would be rapin' and pillagin'.

Highlanders were terrific light infantry, fearless and ferocious much like the Zulu or the Apache. But no good at boring stuff like drill or sieges or garrison duty - they'd just slip away to chase women or steal cattle or get drunk on uisge beatha. Probably all three.

Blogger Sean May 02, 2015 7:03 PM  

Vox- you are right about the truth. We should march together in pursuit of the truth. I did not think of that. I was thinking only of avoiding the appearance of blindly following like they do. I guess that's what shows how evil they really are. They take what good men do in following truth and pervert it into something else

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 7:04 PM  

GG and RP are both working in service of plank #2, breaking up oligarchies. That seems to be a good way to build momentum, and it has universal appeal (therefore low friction).

I say perfect the oligarchy busting tactics, and then use it to starve the surveillance state of its funding and volunteers.

Anonymous Viidad (Vile Faceless Minion #0156) May 02, 2015 7:34 PM  

I've never been much of an organization joiner; however, I do like sniping. And seeing SJWs destroyed.

Blogger Matt May 02, 2015 7:59 PM  

Is Malwyn the hot slender model elf you posted?

Anonymous Noah B May 02, 2015 8:08 PM  

I hear Tibet's not what it used to be since the Chicoms took over.

Blogger Daniel May 02, 2015 8:21 PM  

Yeah, Viidad, I hear you. I didn't even read my own name on the RP slate until about a month after the fact, I didn't sign up for the Hugos to nominate, and I was more interested in the havoc created by others than the mundane string of truth grenades I can toss.

Then again, it is good to be the minion.

Blogger Markku May 02, 2015 8:49 PM  

Best to lead.
Failing that, best to follow.
Failing that, best to do nothing.
Failing that, worst to call those who do something naive, and tell them "I told you so" if they fail in their objectives.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee May 02, 2015 8:50 PM  

the badges are a nifty way of letting people know we don't care about the leftist shibboleths that the SJWs use to bludgeon. Few people are that obsessed with them, maybe they don't think about it deeply, or they do, but they don't want to risk disapproval.

Along comes the Evil Legion of Evil. You flash you badge and say you don't care. It shows you are a heretic, risking heaven's wrath.

And when the sky doesn't fall, others get the idea that maybe you can say this stuff aloud. Which is the idea in the culture war, right? It's a prop, so it's the use it's put to that matters. Besides swag is cool.

A big round of applause for Malwyn, too!
(Applause isn't a way to summon hellhounds is it?)

Blogger Corvinus May 02, 2015 8:58 PM  

Corvinus,

I agree, but much more cultural leadership than previously. It's like they need to shape the geology of the battlefield by redirecting rivers and such, rather than direct the motions of the armies. Hard for me to explain, too dumb.


@Aeoli Pera
One way of looking at it is that this out-of-the-box cultural leadership is necessary to prevent falling back into being "conservative" controlled opposition like the Republican Party.

This is why Sigmas are important. They aren't a part of the society, yet have a high sociosexual rank. Alphas, as group animals, prefer to operate within the society, again, typically as Republican business owners or some such, since they are at least able to make money and lead something that way. And after Gamma and Lambda SJWs have hijacked moral control of the society and have become micromanaging dictators, Alphas have almost uniformly gone along with it because being moral arbiters doesn't earn them money and power. Deltas simply want to belong to the society, so they'll be the mass followers within the society.

You may think of the conservative-progressive conflict as being in some ways a war between Alphas and Gammas within the society. But unfortunately, to make things even hairier, there are conservative Gammas as well -- tradcons, Churchians, and so forth. They're the ones who often become Republican politicians, again, because the Alphas prefer to run their own private empires rather than serving the country. These conservative Gammas, while they may resist the progressive thrust of society driven by Gamma and Lambda SJWs, at the same time also insist on being a part of the society and operating within its structures, so much so that they most strongly attack people who reject the society altogether. Being outside of the society is completely foreign to the conservative Gamma mindset and would require a complete rewiring of their brains.

I think we'd be better off if Sigmas were more common.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 02, 2015 9:01 PM  

Corvinus: "I'm sure many Dread Ilk are Betas who choose to follow Vox rather than go off on their own."

Vox is easy to work with, but not interested in leading. He has raised a standard, though (pun intended), and Betas will want to join in the fray. The problem is that we'll need either to find an Alpha we can trust, or we'll have to start doing some leading ourselves.

Let's try the latter.

I hereby appoint myself as Technical Director of the Evil Legion of Evil. I have several projects under way related to Vox Popoli and the Evil Legion of Evil. I've heard numbers as high as six. If you're technically inclined and want to pitch in, I can likely find something interesting for you to play with.

Areas where I could use help:

* Mailman, especially recovering archives
* Linux VPS management
* Python, Ruby, node.js
* use of the above languages on Windows
* Google's HTTP APIs, especially Blogger comments
* XML parsing
* Postgres
* SQL
* parsing and analyzing HTTP server logs
* CoreOS, Docker, Ansible, arguments about.
* epub format, XML generation
* Git
* Rake
* pandoc

You can find my contact email at GitHub.

Anonymous Sigh May 02, 2015 9:19 PM  

If Vox thinks 4GW doesn't require leadership, it is obvious he doesn't understand it.

Blogger Nate May 02, 2015 9:29 PM  

The minion badges are the purest sarcasm. Calling the Dread Ilk minions is laughable. We're not minions. We're fiercely independent pricks that are notorious for ignoring orders and doing our own thing.

Rabid Puppies has only worked because Vox has asked us to do something we already want to do.

But don't think for a second he has control of the leash. He doesn't. The Ilk will do as the Ilk do.

Just as we didn't follow slate down the line... he cannot be sure we won't blow up the awards this year no matter what he says.

Now saying we will. I just know these people... and they like a good curb stomping.. and waiting to curb stomp someone that needs it badly is not a strength of the Dread Ilk. They are quick to curb stomp.

Blogger Nate May 02, 2015 9:30 PM  

"If Vox thinks 4GW doesn't require leadership, it is obvious he doesn't understand it."

there is no doubt it requires leadership. It just doesn't require centralize leadership.

There are many leaders in 4GW... not few central leaders.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 02, 2015 9:38 PM  

>Sigma's Bane
>Bane

No one cared about me until I put on the patch.

Blogger Russell May 02, 2015 9:41 PM  

Rules for radicals teaches to “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

Sigma's, like Vox, are immune to such actions. Most people aren't.

Some of us just need an example. Some way to counterpunch. How to handle certain situations. How to improve strategy, dialectic and rhetoric.

In other words, training for the war of the West.

And Vox has provided exactly that. It won't be his fault if we screw it up.

The badges are mockery of our critics. And way to recognize other members of our tribe. It's not identity of self or have any meaning beyond something amusing.

Gamergate is showing how simple leadership is possible for anyone.

Vox is showing how to take that up a notch.

Leadership will always be needed at some level in some function. For this war, decentralized is proving to be the proper strategy.

automatthew, is this your github account: https://github.com/automatthew

Anonymous Viidad (Vile Faceless Minion #0156) May 02, 2015 9:41 PM  

@ Nate

I do whatever Vox wants me to do... when and if I feel like it.

Anonymous ticticboom May 02, 2015 9:41 PM  

Larry Correia and Brad Torgensen have mentioned that most of their interactions with Vox have been asking him not to burn the Hugos down. What the SJWs don't realize is how downright forgiving and tolerant Vox is compared to what they think of as his followers.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 02, 2015 9:45 PM  

automatthew, is this your github account: https://github.com/automatthew

Yes. The only other "automatthew" on the internets is a San Fransisco gay. I find that amusing.

Blogger Noah B May 02, 2015 9:47 PM  

@JACIII

"Tangentially, It is amazing to me many of the Dread Ilk have submitted requests for identical badges and an assigned number. Dread Ilk and Puppies visibility is a viable and useful tool in the war against the SJW and the Minion's badge is clearly an ass-kicker's totem but the association is just a bit too cozy."

#120 here. The badges will have to do until uniforms are issued.

Anonymous Viidad (Vile Faceless Minion #0156) May 02, 2015 9:50 PM  

"What the SJWs don't realize is how downright forgiving and tolerant Vox is compared to what they think of as his followers."

Agreed. When I see interviews where the left twists Vox's (or another truthteller's) words, calls names and basically spit on those I appreciate for standing up for Western Civilization... I feel blinding rage and a desire to destroy. Vox shrugs and presses onwards.

I don't understand this calm moderation and cannot maintain it.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 02, 2015 9:52 PM  

"A big round of applause for Malwyn, too!"

*raises glass. Nods*

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 9:52 PM  

I appoint myself as Director of Psychologizing about Neanderthals on the Internet. It's a growing field in need of troo leaderz! :-D

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 02, 2015 9:56 PM  

Aeoli,

Your test is if, from my GitHub avatar, you can classify me the same way Koanic did.

Blogger Noah B May 02, 2015 9:59 PM  

This is OT but does anyone here eat at Applebees and actually enjoy it? I ended up with $50 in gift cards and won't eat there, but if there is anyone here who wants them speak up.

Blogger Noah B May 02, 2015 10:01 PM  

I will mail them to you free BTW

Anonymous IsMise May 02, 2015 10:01 PM  

"your sociosexual theory" OMG!! Ponies!!

Blogger Russell May 02, 2015 10:01 PM  

"Node.js. ElasticSearch. VPCs. Redis. Autoscaling. Docker. Micro-services. ES6. Security and Cryptography. HTTP APIs."

I see you are fully buzzword compliant :)

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 02, 2015 10:01 PM  

Have you eaten there lately, NoahB? They've got some new menu items and pub grub you might like.

Blogger Noah B May 02, 2015 10:02 PM  

No, I got really sick there once and won't go back. Want them?

Blogger Russell May 02, 2015 10:09 PM  

Applebee's are big supporters of Glock.

*ducks*

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 02, 2015 10:10 PM  

Aww. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. Thanks for the offer.......I'll pass - my husband is on a special diet, and I am trying to serve the whole family the same meals.....so we are very limited on our ability to go out to restaurants. Thanks so much, though!

Anonymous Nathan May 02, 2015 10:13 PM  

@NoahB,

There are online exchanges out there that let you trade or redeem giftcards. I've not used one, but my brother-in-law swears by them. If you can't find someone who wants them, I'd suggest looking into one.

Anonymous z e n 0 May 02, 2015 10:16 PM  

test

Blogger Noah B May 02, 2015 10:16 PM  

@Nathan

Thanks, I know. Thought I would give them away if someone wanted them.

Anonymous ticticboom May 02, 2015 10:20 PM  

I have low standards, so I'm relunctantly capable of eating at Applebee's. While no natives willingly eat there, occasionally tourists who are (barely) worth the effort of seducing show up.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 10:21 PM  

>Your test is if, from my GitHub avatar, you can classify me the same way Koanic did.

I accept your challenge!

M-back is obvious, the crease on the top of your head displays the elongation. You have periorbital receding sockets, which narrows it down to MT or MM. Your eyes appear to be well-shaded despite the lighting, and your brow ridge is not unusually pronounced (which confuses things), which suggests fairly deep sockets (although a side picture would be preferred).

Final answer: MT.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 10:23 PM  

Er, I meant to say that a pronounced brow ridge can confuse things because it can make a person appear to have deep sockets.

Blogger Corvinus May 02, 2015 10:23 PM  

@automatthew

That is a great idea... I'll have to see what I can do.

Anonymous Difster May 02, 2015 10:27 PM  

I fear this is a precursor to the Difster finally gaining a sinister entryism toehold for his diabolically monolithic Home Owners Association.

My dastardly plan has been discovered.

Anonymous z e n 0 May 02, 2015 10:29 PM  

A young man showed up at the MayDay march in Seattle (SJW anarchist bullshit protest thingy) without a black hoodie or bandana like the other morons wore, with a rifle and ammo vest. The rifle was empty, and he was marching with the morons. They got in his face and he just stood his ground and claimed a constitutional right to be there. He was pleasant, did not scream back, just stood his ground. The newscasters fretted about "what if some one takes his rifle, I don't feel safe.

The constrast was very enlightening. An excellent strategy .

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 02, 2015 10:32 PM  

"The newscasters fretted about "what if some one takes his rifle, I don't feel safe. "

This made me laugh so much.

What a weenie.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 10:33 PM  

Psychology predictions: A highly self-motivated, problem-solving, ideological warrior. MTs tend to have the highest tested IQs because melonback grants the highest general IQ and thal front grants hyperfocus. The extra mass in the frontal lobe doesn't hurt a bit, I'm sure, and it's very common in programmers in contrast with archaic phenotypes with sloped foreheads who tend to be found in the softer sciences (biology, anthropology, archeology etc.). This predicts great talent and fascination for abstract subjects, but this conflicts with the ideological drive so you consciously have to pull yourself away from "interesting" math problems to solve easy, boring "meaningful" problems.

Blogger Corvinus May 02, 2015 10:38 PM  

There are many leaders in 4GW... not few central leaders.

@Nate
Right. "I am the leader of GamerGate and so can you." I forgot to add that another large chunk of Dread Ilk are other Sigmas who see what Vox is doing and think that this is something they like the looks of. A Sigma's mindset will unsurprisingly appeal most strongly to other Sigmas.

Teh Dread Ilk are, I imagine, largely Betas, other Sigmas, and Deltas, but not Alphas. Then there are Gamma rejects who think they're Dread Ilk (hi Porky).

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 10:38 PM  

That's "tested" IQ, mind. I think full melons (like Goethe) have the highest real general IQs and full neanderthals seem to have a sort of "burst" creative IQ that puts the other phenotypes to shame, sometimes simulating general IQs in the high 200s. In extreme situations, neanderthals can get "stuck" in burst creativity mode, which produces such anomalies as William Sidis, but these tend to die of cerebral hemorrhage in middle age.

TMI, I know.

Blogger Hammerli280 May 02, 2015 10:43 PM  

"It may be a small-scale action on a tertiary front..."

That's what people said about the liberation of Grenada at the time. In retrospect, it was the turning point of the Cold War.

Anonymous z e n 0 May 02, 2015 10:44 PM  

> The extra mass in the frontal lobe doesn't hurt a bit, I'm sure, and it's very common in programmers in contrast with archaic phenotypes with sloped foreheads who tend to be found in the softer sciences

Do you know how hard it is to try to see your forehead slope angle in a mirror.
You are a cruel, cruel person.

Blogger 223366 May 02, 2015 10:48 PM  

The power of SJW's derives from the consent of their victims. Laughing in their faces and saying We Don't Care destroys that power. The ELoE was even *named* to laugh in their faces. The Badges are an innovative new way to show contempt for them. Great fun too!

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 10:51 PM  

>Do you know how hard it is to try to see your forehead slope angle in a mirror.
You are a cruel, cruel person.

Smartphone brah. Point it at the mirror and pick a focus point on the adjacent wall.

Forehead only predicts some verbal intelligence IMHO, and is pretty useless past the 130 IQ mark. Nietzsche provides an excellent counterexample: smart dude, zero forehead.

Also, doesn't account very well for racial means. It's generally much less useful for IQ prediction than common phrenology wisdom suggests. Predicts group-oriented moral behavior, but even then you can't say whether it'll come out prosocial or rabid antisocial.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 10:55 PM  

Oh, and IIRC you're Ashkenazi? Edenic face reading doesn't work at all for European Jews, falls outside the function's domain.

Promise: no more phrenology in this thread unless requested or relevant.

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 02, 2015 11:27 PM  

Hammer, that broke the Leftward Crescent Wrench of History. It was decisive, indeed.

OpenID pancakeloach May 02, 2015 11:33 PM  

@Viidad

I think the motto is our Dread Dark Lord's subtle and evil influence meant to curb our rabid frothing rages. "We don't care" is very calming in the face of SJW's endless idiocy.

Kudos to Malwyn for her tireless work, I hope she doesn't develop carpal tunnel from having to ritually flog the minions before handing them their badges.

#0158

Blogger Rabbi B May 02, 2015 11:56 PM  

#0150

Finally!

(Thanks Malwyn)

Blogger Kentucky Packrat May 03, 2015 12:20 AM  

As an illustration, a Sigma like yourself would hardly care about getting a Minion badge (except maybe for the purpose of demonstration of mass numbers), but many of your readers do, which implies that they still seek a hierarchy within which to operate.

GJ, as a few other people have pointed out, you sorely underestimate the ability of Sigmas, Alphas, and Red-Pill Betas to push the joke to 11. As an aspie-leaning Sigma (it's easy to not care when you don't notice), embracing the "evil minion" moniker is all about making full and complete fun of the title. It's absurd, and anyone who knows me in real life or has followed my penname online is going to believe that I'm just part of the Zombie Horde.

The call against Vox's evil minions really is a two-edged sword. If he's an insignificant troll, how can he muster this much support? If he has enough support to actually turn the Hugos on a dime, then either he's more influential than the SJWs or they are failing at their control, and both of these are losses too. The success of RP 1 and SP3 has put the "powers that be" in a no-win scenario where a voluntary loss this year is their best outcome, and SJWs cannot stand to ever lose.

I happen to neither a Sad Puppy nor a Rabid Puppy, since I'm broke. My daughter's iron-melting furnaces have tapped out all spare funds, as most home projects have a tendency to do. That said, I have my evil minion number, just because I'm part of the Legion nonetheless. Because I don't care.

Anonymous Vile Faceless Minion #0066 May 03, 2015 12:32 AM  

Provoke not the Dread Ilk, for they are subtle and quick to curb stomp.

Every member of the Dread Ilk is tempted, from time to time, to spit on his hands, hoist the Raven Banner and go a viking.

Blogger Cee May 03, 2015 12:47 AM  

@Aeoli Pera, where can I read more on the phrenology stuff? I'm intrigued. (Not like I really need more reading material or tab clutter, but I want to know more.)

Blogger Minion777 May 03, 2015 12:59 AM  

Engineering minion 777, reporting for duty. Assign task to: dreadilk777@gmail.com. Minion shall report the assigment and resusts to this board, minion eager to help.

Blogger Fatherless MRA May 03, 2015 1:00 AM  

Progress is measured by the increasing frequency with which people mock their feminist Facebook friends.

Blogger Minion777 May 03, 2015 1:16 AM  

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Blogger JCclimber May 03, 2015 1:28 AM  

One problem finding suitable alphas and/or betas to lead an effort like this is that they are usually already leading other charges and projects. It's kind of inherent to the nature that they build their own initiatives (alphas) or are drafted to lead another person's initiative who is retiring or otherwise unable to lead any longer (betas).

Even if we care about a particular cause and see the need for someone to lead it, there are usually bandwidth limitations on our time.

But putting the call out is an excellent idea, because some potential leaders may just be stretching their wings after long dormancy, may be moving up in the rankings through hard work, or may have just rolled off one project and be open to adding a new one.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 03, 2015 2:14 AM  

Cee,

Talk about rabbit holes. This shit gets weird fast. Well, ask and you shall receive.

"Edenic phrenology" is, in a nutshell, any phrenology informed by both the neanderthal theory of Asperger's syndrome (see rdos) and the "New Anthropology" of Texas Arcane, who writes the Vault-Co blog, which introduces sociopathic "melonheads" or "homo capensis" as "the third hominid", the deprecated and dysgenic remnants of which are over-represented in humanity's natural aristocratic ruling class. The phrenology focus (and weirdo mystic religion stuff) is Koanic's brainchild. About half of his original face reading post is now defunct and misleading, and developments in this basic phrenology template are ever-ongoing at his forum, the Neanderhall.

(Personally, I think "edenism" is a stupid name, but Koanic is the genius behind most of it so he gets to pick the name.)

If I were to assign an introductory reading list, I would probably do like so:

1. Rdos' Neanderthal-Asperger's theory
2. Vault-Co edenism posts, then maybe the rest of Vault-Co for good measure
3. Koanic's original face reading page
4. Polymath's summarized addenda to Koanic's face reading: Glossary, Gallery, Skull Reconstructions

Classical 19th and early 20th century phrenology books can still be found in public library stacks and on archive.org. Much is hogwash, some is useful. I've been making lists of these, but the only genuinely good one I've run into was Varieties of Temperament, which statistically sorts white men into somatotypical modes: ectomorphic, endomorphic, mesomorphic (using different names).

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 03, 2015 2:33 AM  

Caveats I didn’t mention in the original comment: we are talking about a fast moving target here, and not a static field of knowledge. There are contradictions, paradoxes, various dogmas preached by psychotic luminaries, weird offhand mentions of aquatic ape theory, and lots of general hoopla and nonsense.

You’ve been warned.

Blogger Daniel May 03, 2015 2:40 AM  

The other thing that is easy to overlook:

Training.

Vox has successfully and quite often single-handedly taken the fight into enemy territory, and documented it in public. He has had some remarkable victories.

The Dread Ilk, having watched and practiced over time, is now a force multiplier for similar independent actions. It is remarkable to watch the SJWs tie themselves into knots doubling down on embarrassing gaffes, and realize they are doing it because you have held them to their own words.

In pretty much every discourse on the internet, even in those who wield the banhammer with the power of a limp-wristed McRapey, they absolutely don't have any idea what our numbers are, nor why two or three of us pop up for every one who is blocked.

And twitter? It is a damn massacre. We love it when they pile on us, we love it when we single-handedly take on their groups, and we love it when we mob them too. There is just so much fun to be had right now.

I wonder if some days these will be the old days that we get nostalgic about: the days when men remembered how to talk like men again.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 03, 2015 3:06 AM  

I don't feel safe

Is that the new euphemism for 'not so fresh?'

Anonymous Jack Amok May 03, 2015 3:30 AM  

Calling the Dread Ilk minions is laughable. We're not minions. We're fiercely independent pricks that are notorious for ignoring orders and doing our own thing.

Hey, you can't tell me I have to do my own thing. If I want to follow orders, than I'm damn well going to follow orders and I'm not going to have you or anybody who looks like you tell me I can't.

Blogger Cee May 03, 2015 4:12 AM  

Caveats I didn’t mention in the original comment: we are talking about a fast moving target here, and not a static field of knowledge. There are contradictions, paradoxes, various dogmas preached by psychotic luminaries, weird offhand mentions of aquatic ape theory, and lots of general hoopla and nonsense.

You’ve been warned.


Basically my favorite thing to read for funsies and inspiration, then. Thank you so much for the links and the introduction! I'll put them away safely for when I next feel like doing a five-hour research spree.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 03, 2015 4:19 AM  

Talk about rabbit holes. This shit gets weird fast. Well, ask and you shall receive.

Every time I get sucked into that rabbit hole I think there's an awesome alt-history/fantasy book to be written. The Edenic Brow or some such...

Blogger Cee May 03, 2015 5:41 AM  

Every time I get sucked into that rabbit hole I think there's an awesome alt-history/fantasy book to be written. The Edenic Brow or some such...

Yes, this is what's attracting me as well. It seems almost as though it's writing itself, though...

Blogger Kentucky Packrat May 03, 2015 8:00 AM  

It's absurd, and anyone who knows me in real life or has followed my penname online is going to believe that I'm just part of the Zombie Horde.

Let me try this sentence again... *sigh*

No one who knows me in real life or has followed my penname online is going to believe that I'm just part of a Zombie Horde.

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