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Thursday, May 28, 2015

Neocons attack Paul, the sequel

Now the people who brought you failure in Afghanistan, failure in Iraq, a puppet government in Ukraine and the Islamic State are gunning for Rand Paul because he is willing to tell the truth about them and the foreign policy failures of the last Republican president. Roger Simon is running around claiming that Paul has "shown his true colors" and "destroyed himself":
Alas Rand (I had higher hopes for him), like father Ron, has a mega-chauvanistic view of the world.  The USA is so big and strong it causes everything, including, at one point, 9-11, and now ISIS, if you can believe that. Never mind that the Islamic State is just another avatar of Islamic imperialism’s desire for a world caliphate that has been going on for centuries, long before our country was in existence — the Battle of Tours (732), the Siege of Vienna (1683) and on and on. The violence has been there forever, too.  As any literate person knows, it’s in the Koran and the Hadith.  Beheadings were part of Mohammed’s game plan. It’s what he did and what he called for. This was not invented by a cabal of neocons in Chevy Chase, Maryland, in 2003.

And of course ISIS is part of a straight line that goes from the Muslim Brotherhood (founded in Egypt in 1928, long before the current crop of Republicans were even alive) to Al Qaeda via Zawahiri and on into the modern age with ISIS, all working from the same ideological playbook, as are Boko Haram, Hamas, al Shabab, al Nusra, etc., etc.

Rand, again like father Ron, is essentially racist in blaming this on America and not recognizing other cultures have belief systems to which they truly adhere and that those belief systems may be dangerous, even evil.  America did not evolve Islamist ideology anymore than it did Nazism, but the Islamists have the potential to wreak just as much havoc if they are not stopped.

And what did Paul actually say?
The freshman senator from Kentucky said Wednesday that the GOP’s foreign policy hawks “created these people.” . . .  “ISIS exists and grew stronger because of the hawks in our party who gave arms indiscriminately,” Paul said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” He continued: “They created these people. ISIS is all over Libya because these same hawks in my party loved – they loved Hillary Clinton’s war in Libya. They just wanted more of it.”
That's absolutely true. Simon and the other neocons can sing and dance all they like, but the fact is that the US invasion and occupation of Iraq created ISIS. Military experts like William S. Lind even predicted it back in 2003:
The current phase of the war in Iraq is driven by three different elements: chaos, a war of national liberation (which is inflicting most of the casualties) and 4th Generation War. In time, the 4th Generation elements will come to predominate, as they fill the vacuum created by the destruction of the Iraqi state.
He then pointed out how it would proceed in  2004:
An article in the Friday, March 29 Washington Post pointed to the long-expected opening of Phase III of America's war with Iraq. Phase I was the jousting contest, the formal "war" between America's and Iraq's armies that ended with the fall of Baghdad. Phase II was the War of National Liberation waged by the Baath Party and fought guerilla-style. Phase III, which is likely to prove the decisive phase, is true Fourth Generation war, war waged by a wide variety of non-state Iraqi and other Islamic forces for objectives and motives that reach far beyond politics.

    The Post article, "Iraq Attacks Blamed on Islamic Extremists," contains the following revealing paragraph:

    In the intelligence operations room at the 1st Armored Division's headquarters (in Baghdad), wall-mounted charts identifying and linking insurgents depict the changing battlefield. Last fall the organizational chart of Baathist fighters and leaders stretched for 10 feet, while charts listing known Islamic radicals took up a few pieces of paper. Now, the chart of Iraqi religious extremists dominates the room, while the poster depicting Baathist activity has shrunk to half of its previous size.

The article goes on to quote a U.S. intelligence officer as adding, "There is no single organization that's behind all this. It's far more decentralized than that."

Welcome to Phase III. The remaining Ba'athists will of course continue their War of National Liberation, and Fourth Generation elements have been active from the outset. But the situation map in the 1st Armored Division's headquarters reveals the "tipping point": Fourth Generation war is now the dominant form of war against the Americans in Iraq.
The neocons are desperate to avoid responsibility for their failures because they want to keep doing the same stupid shit that caused the current problems. Far from destroying himself, Paul is telling Americans what is necessary just to begin saving what is left of their nation. Ron Paul was right back in 2001. Rand Paul is right now.

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112 Comments:

Blogger Scott May 28, 2015 4:50 PM  

"but the fact is that the US invasion and occupation of Iraq created ISIS"

Try again. Sure, if the US never entered Iraq, one could argue ISIS may not have spawned. But its *occupation* of Iraq did not create ISIS. That is absurd. What did catapult ISIS into existence was the US complete and sudden *departure* from Iraq. Thank the current administration for that.

Blogger grendel May 28, 2015 4:55 PM  

The US invasion of Iraq destroyed the iraqi government. The subsequent bumbling, idiot occupation of Iraq ensured that no new legitimate government could arise, which destroyed Iraq as a state, plunging it back into a state of tribe against tribe warfare. How long would you have left the troops, Scott? How much American blood and money is Iraq worth to you?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 28, 2015 4:58 PM  

Collectivists on the Left, collectivists on the Right.

Common theme: "We had the right idea, we just didn't do it Big Enough."

Leftist version: If Stalin or Mao had just starved a few more millions of the bourgeoisie to death, a Marxist Utopia would have blossomed.
Rightist version: If the USA had simply killed every single Indochinese person, Vietnam would have been a success. If the USA had done to Iraq as a whole what its forces did to Fallujah, Iraq would be a pluralistic society of secular, Western consumers.
Federal Reserve version: If the Fed had only lowered interest rates to a negative 10% and monetized $50 trillion more T-bonds, GDP would be averaging 5% Y-O-Y growth for the next 40 years.

There are NEVER enough corpses piled high enough to satisfy the zealots.

Blogger Daniel May 28, 2015 4:58 PM  

Neocons: SJWs with a cohesive agenda.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 28, 2015 5:01 PM  

I still enjoy articles that trace the DNA of neocons back through Leo Strauss all the way to Trotsky. Those guys are so far Right that they go Full Circle and land to the Left of Hillary.

That's some real statism.

Anonymous JI May 28, 2015 5:12 PM  

I heard Bill Bennett (a self-described neo-con) on his radio show this morning reacting negatively to Paul's comments. He agreed with a caller that Paul did have a point, but added that ISIS wouldn't be a problem if the US had only stayed in Iraq and had strongly supported the rebels in Syria (presumable the "right kind" of rebels). The first thought that crossed my mind was, with what money? Roger Simon says Paul has a chauvinistic view of the US as all-powerful, when the neocon types seem to think America has infinite money to fund these adventures! Sheesh, Simon is annoying.

Blogger Jew613 May 28, 2015 5:13 PM  

The neo-cons basic concept is all people arepretty much the same aand any society can become Western if just given the right nudge. Sen Paul correctly views this as a fantasy. But the majority of elites both of the right and left are heavily invested in the anyone can become Western if they only try.

Furthermore distributing weapons to jihadists even if they are fighting a dictator you don't like is just madness.

Anonymous Leonidas May 28, 2015 5:18 PM  

Paul's also playing his cards. This may not win him the nomination. But there's absolutely no way that he wins the nomination by "playing it safe" or trying to be a carbon copy of other Republicans. This is an actual issue that splits the party, and his chances are much better if he runs with it than if he tries anything else.

Blogger Alexander Thompson May 28, 2015 5:27 PM  

He sounds like a Democrat.

Anonymous DissidentRight May 28, 2015 5:28 PM  

What did catapult ISIS into existence was the US complete and sudden *departure* from Iraq. Thank the current administration for that.

Unless you propose eternal occupation, this was going to happen sooner or later anyway. And eternal occupation is impossible politically and financially impossible, so better sooner.

Anonymous rho May 28, 2015 5:29 PM  

But its *occupation* of Iraq did not create ISIS. That is absurd. What did catapult ISIS into existence was the US complete and sudden *departure* from Iraq. Thank the current administration for that.

Why can't it be both of those things? Why can't we blame both Bush and Obama?

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 28, 2015 5:31 PM  

Scott. Yes, ISIS is a result of the destruction of the Baathist government by these uSA.

The problem with Rand is that he wants to bomb ISIS.

BTW, Scott, the same people who were all gung-ho on Iraq (H or W or WJC, don't matter, take your pick) to get rid of Hussein, were vocal in support of actions to keep the "radical Muslims" in line that are not much different of Hussein's. Go get a pea shooter and get yourself to Iraq to fight.

Anonymous PopehatFan May 28, 2015 5:36 PM  

so Vox, are you voting for Rand?? careful, careful.

OpenID luagha May 28, 2015 5:43 PM  

I thought arming Syrian rebels to make trouble for Assad was the direct trigger that started ISIS. We should know by know that arming Arab terrorists never works out - it didn't for Israel and it doesn't for us. Even weaksauce assistance always unbalances the previous fragile stability and bounces back to bite whoever does it in the ass.

I've been reading through Lind's essays recently and it's very interesting how his short-term prophesies of doom are very occasional in their correctness (they describe events which happened once or twice but not as a general character of the action) but his long-term prophesies converge towards perfection.

It must have something to do with that 'know yourself, know the enemy' thing. Lind knows what whatever idiot in the White House is likely to do, and therefore, the likely response of our enemies.

Blogger Josh May 28, 2015 5:44 PM  

Try again. Sure, if the US never entered Iraq, one could argue ISIS may not have spawned. But its *occupation* of Iraq did not create ISIS. That is absurd. What did catapult ISIS into existence was the US complete and sudden *departure* from Iraq. Thank the current administration for that.

Which administration signed the status of forces agreement?

Blogger Salt May 28, 2015 5:47 PM  

Rand has played too much footsie with both the liberals and neocons. He's not Ron, but he's a Paul so he's toast. He's an enemy of the neocons, because he is a Paul.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 5:47 PM  

No group of people are as incapable of learning from their mistakes as neocons.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 28, 2015 5:48 PM  

Hilarious. Where do I begin?

"Rand, again like father Ron, is essentially racist in blaming this on America and not recognizing other cultures have belief systems to which they truly adhere and that those belief systems may be dangerous, even evil."

He goes off on a tear about the evils of Islam, and THEN has the audacity to label Paul a racist? Delicious.

Strike #1 against the hypocrite!

Perhaps more later.

Blogger hank.jim May 28, 2015 5:51 PM  

I would argue ISIS was created after the US left Iraq. The US interfered with Syria and Libya when it should have stayed out of their politics. If removing Sadam was considered a success with the US invasion and we almost lost it before the surge, why would we get involved in Syria and Libya when we're not there to stabilize the region (as if we can).

Sorry, I put full blame on the hawks in the Obama Administration and this includes Hillary. At this point, there's nothing we can do, but continue to support whatever is left of Iraq like the Kurds and Bagdad. ISIS will just be.

OpenID mattse001 May 28, 2015 5:52 PM  

I think the rise of ISIS is too complex to reduce to any one cause. It was a chain, where every link was important.
I'm getting the feeling that the real problem is that Iraq may be a state, but it's not a nation. Germany and Japan were unified when we occupied them. Korea was partitioned by ideology.
I think that without a dictator to keep things going, there was no way to keep the factions from tearing Iraq apart. For obvious reasons, the US didn't want to establish another dictatorship.
At this point, the best thing may be to subdivide the country.
Rand had points in his criticism, and was right in much of it. But he has given ammo to the enemy by HOW he spoke, and we already know they won't be responsible with it.

It's like saying, "Brianna Wu has a point about misogyny..."
That's just asking for trouble.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 28, 2015 5:52 PM  

Scott, which are you, a moderate or conservative?

“If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist.”
― Joseph Sobran

Blogger Sam May 28, 2015 5:54 PM  

Wasn’t sure if you’d already seen this (from 2012). If legit, seems to confirm the theory that ISIS was developed as a tool by Western/Gulf powers:

“… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…”.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/pgs-287-293-291-jw-v-dod-and-state-14-812-2/

Blogger VFM 188* May 28, 2015 6:02 PM  

FWIW Rand Paul has my vote in the New Hampshire primary. He is also the only Republican I have heard non-ideological Democrats say they will support against Hillary in the general election.

Like I said...FWIW.

Anonymous zen0 May 28, 2015 6:03 PM  

Sure, if the US never entered Iraq, one could argue ISIS may not have spawned. But its *occupation* of Iraq did not create ISIS. That is absurd. What did catapult ISIS into existence was the US complete and sudden *departure* from Iraq

When people want to characterize historical events, they simply choose a favorable point of origin.

The group that became ISIL was founded in 1999 and even has elements active in Southeast Asia. Now, the US may not have planted this weed, but the US has a knack of watering and fertilizing it whenever they get a chance.

Blogger Anthony May 28, 2015 6:06 PM  

ISIS would exist anyway. ISIS is strong because the U.S. handed out weapons pretty indiscriminately in Syria, and that was largely a bipartisan policy. So in that sense, Rand is Right.

In terms of the Republican primaries, Rand Paul should have spun it more as an attack on Obama and Hillary. It's one thing to say that giving arms to a bunch of random Arabs is bad policy - most Republicans can sign on to that. But blaming that on other Republicans will hurt him among Republican primary voters.

Anonymous Leonidas May 28, 2015 6:10 PM  

When people want to characterize historical events, they simply choose a favorable point of origin.

Seriously. One could pretty easily trace the rise of ISIS back to World War I, or beyond that to the Ottoman Empire, or beyond that back to Saladin. At any of various points along the way, had somebody made a different decision, *poof*, no ISIS.

One of those decisions that could have been different would have been to not leave Iraq the way we did. Another would've been to not be there in the first place.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 28, 2015 6:18 PM  

Alexander Thompson: He sounds like a Democrat

Are you referring to his constant, shameless pandering to Negroes, feeling their pain of their "mass incarceration"? He thinks he can fix Detroit and every other black hellhole with Magical Republican Free Market Tax Breaks(tm).

Yesterday he told his Chicago audience that "[crime] is not a racial thing, it is a spiritual problem." To prove his point, he played the Whites Do It Too card, with a story about a white woman who cut a baby out of another white woman's womb.

With friends like him, you'll need another friend to make sure he doesn't stab you in the back.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 28, 2015 6:22 PM  

I always figure that most of what "we" know about conflict zones, who are the players, what are their origins and aims, where they get their support, etc., is all just part of someone's propaganda narrative.

As such, when I see people pound the table with certainty about this and that, I envision them with someone's arm stuck up to elbow or even bicep deep, far enough to work them like sock puppets. Man, that's gotta hurt. Ring of Fire, and all that.

When we can't possibly believe the statistics proffered by the US government and 99% of the economic and social science research and 99.9% of the history published in the USA is clearly suspect, why on Earth would it be that what is printed in the propaganda rags of the regime should be taken as authoritative?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 28, 2015 6:25 PM  

With friends like him, you'll need another friend to make sure he doesn't stab you in the back.

It's not yet time to relinquish the Old Narrative, especially in politics, which is the very last part of society to recognize a New Narrative (because it's the ultimate committee.)

Blogger Chris Mallory May 28, 2015 6:36 PM  

Hmmm Roger Simon. To what tribe does he belong ? French Huguenot? Irish Catlick? Scots Irish? English Cavalier? One of VD's savage red brothers?

Blogger Scott May 28, 2015 6:39 PM  

Scott, which are you, a moderate or conservative?

RACIST! RAPE!!

Blogger automatthew May 28, 2015 6:44 PM  

Hmmm Roger Simon. To what tribe does he belong ? French Huguenot? Irish Catlick? Scots Irish? English Cavalier? One of VD's savage red brothers?

Shhhhhhhh.

Anonymous clk May 28, 2015 6:51 PM  

it was only a matter of time before the iraqs look back and say ,.. wow .. things were much better under saddam...

Blogger Chester Lyman May 28, 2015 6:58 PM  

Roger Simon is obviously a Finn, silly.

Blogger Douglas Wardell May 28, 2015 7:01 PM  

He's got my primary vote, for all the good it's likely to do him or me.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 7:04 PM  

That's quite a strawman Simon has there; he could have a good second career as an Internet troll. Paul never said the US created Islamic extremism; he said the US armed and inflamed this particular Islamic extremist group. Which appears to be exactly true.

And going straight to the "racist" charge, the big guns right out of the gate! He must have them worried.

Anonymous Roundtine May 28, 2015 7:14 PM  

Paul is going to burn the cities down when he empties the prisons and kicks open the border.

Anonymous allyn71 May 28, 2015 7:15 PM  

"And going straight to the "racist" charge, the big guns right out of the gate! He must have them worried." - Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 7:04 PM

We have seen this movie before. In this instance the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree.

I don't think the son is as principled as his daddy. Probably why he is the better politician.

At this point if I bother to vote it will be for most radical liberal I can find. At this rate I will be to old for what is coming. Hurry up and get it over with, rather be me than my kids dealing with it.

Anonymous Roundtine May 28, 2015 7:24 PM  

I don't understand the racist charge. America is not a race.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 28, 2015 7:25 PM  

This kind of thing really puts into perspective why people hate Jews, all around the world. How appallingly dishonest can you get.

Anonymous Geoff May 28, 2015 7:28 PM  

Rand Paul has nice hair.

Blogger David-093 May 28, 2015 7:35 PM  

"This kind of thing really puts into perspective why people hate Jews, all around the world. How appallingly dishonest can you get."

This thread is now complete.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 28, 2015 7:35 PM  

WHO IS TO BLAME? WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE?

Bush and Obama both are to blame, at the least. Bush for plunging the US into the craw of Iraq with a flacid weak long-term strategy. And Obama for pouring gas on the fire and pulling out of Iraq, while simultaneously allowing hawks such as McCain to dump weapons into the filthy hands of infidels.

What should have been done? One of two things.

One. Since we are a weak and indecisive country with the indecisiveness of a pubescent teenager, and since all of our military efforts lead us into Vietnam-styled military situations that bog us down and degrade our morale, then we ought to take the Paul approach and stay the hell out of trouble. Since we cannot get anything right, and since our oligarchy is cannibalizing the nation part by part to feed its obese habits, we as a country should realize that we will only corrupt and destroy anything we touch. Therefore, we should have stayed the hell out of the Middle East.

Two. Since it seems that mankind is in a civilizational struggle for its own soul, and since it is clear that the hordes of Islam want to decapitate everyone you know and love, then it only makes sense to launch a full campaign against it. I fully expect to see St. Peters' and the Sistine Chapel destroyed within my lifetime. When I see bombs tear through the Acropolis apart, London Bridge explode and fall into the river, and the Tower of Pisa fall over due to a C4 detonation--when I see these things, I will not be surprised in the least. The nation of hate and murder is conquering the world. Therefore, a full imperialist war should have been launched into the Islamic lands in order to subdue everything Islamic. This would, of course, involve the destruction of Mecca and the conquering of the Dome of the Rock. Our forces should land, conquer, and settle in such spaces. Conversion of Islamic peoples should have been a priority, and any who would not submit would become second-class citizens. Resistance would be subdued.

Accomplishing option #2 is, of course, impossible for this generation of Westerners. People in Europe and America are too busy buying things and finding new and different ways to cum. So, it's unlikely that these people of ours will ever believe in anything, let alone accept a full imperial assault on our enemies.

Therefore, option #1--the Paul option--would be the most prudent. It is far more possible than option #2.

- - - -

JaimeinTexas: "Scott, which are you, a moderate or conservative?"

Scott: "RACIST! RAPE!!"

How peculiar. Scott's reply reveals nothing more than his own mania. It seemed a sober question.

I am astounded that the warhawks and neo-cons are still around and have learned absolutely NOTHING. It is as if they are trapped in amber in the same positions they got themselves into back in 2003.

Just yesterday, I was listening to the Schmidt show on my way to work, and in a cloud of emotion and ridicule, he tore at callers who called in to his show. I concluded that he is either a paid shill, or he's completely stupid. Today, after observing signs of many other neo-cons having this preposterous knee-jerk reaction to Rand Paul, I am starting to conclude that these people are just stupid. How is it possible for an informed individual to fail to learn from recent history?

They are like impaired children who burn their hand when reaching into an open flame. They don't comprehend what happened to them, so they reach their other hand in.

It's days like this that I take a sick delight in the gradual madness of this country. It's what we deserve.

Anonymous Steve Brown May 28, 2015 7:38 PM  

@Chris Mallory

Ideas matter here. Do you have any? You seem to just want to spew your ethnic or religious hatred. Please tell us what you believe, not what you despise.

Blogger Karl May 28, 2015 7:48 PM  

I think it is pretty clear that Paul is talking about the Final Cause. (http://www.aquinasonline.com/Topics/4causes.html)

all 4 causes of ISIS:

Material Cause : I have to think out how to describe this for human organization. n/a? Ask Ed Feser maybe.

Formal Cause : 4GW groups have a defined modus operandi.

Efficient Cause: Salafist beliefs determine goals

Final Cause: Removing Saddam

Blogger Chris Mallory May 28, 2015 7:53 PM  

"Ideas matter here. Do you have any? You seem to just want to spew your ethnic or religious hatred. Please tell us what you believe, not what you despise."

I believe that the United States has been taken over by an alien culture. I believe that immigration has destroyed our liberties and freedoms.
I believe that Catlicks are pagans serving the Whore of Babylon.
I believe that no man has any authority over another unless the submission is freely given.
I believe that anarchy is better than any form of government.
I believe that people who play the "racist" card are devoid of any thoughts of their own.
Now, run along lil' Stevie.

Anonymous Raw Paw!! May 28, 2015 8:03 PM  

NEOCON LIES!!!

"Are you referring to his constant, shameless pandering to Negroes, feeling their pain of their "mass incarceration"? He thinks he can fix Detroit and every other black hellhole with Magical Republican Free Market Tax Breaks(tm).

Yesterday he told his Chicago audience that "[crime] is not a racial thing, it is a spiritual problem." To prove his point, he played the Whites Do It Too card, with a story about a white woman who cut a baby out of another white woman's womb.

With friends like him, you'll need another friend to make sure he doesn't stab you in the back."

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 8:13 PM  

You seem to just want to spew your ethnic or religious hatred.

Believe it or not, Chris seems pretty rational about everything else. It's just that whenever the word Catholic comes up, he flips the f--- out like Galadriel when Frodo offers her the ring in the movie. Maybe the pope-mobile ran over his dog or something. Don't respond in kind. Just back away slowly and let him recover; he'll be okay.

Anonymous zen0 May 28, 2015 8:21 PM  

@ Laramie Hirsch

Today, after observing signs of many other neo-cons having this preposterous knee-jerk reaction to Rand Paul, I am starting to conclude that these people are just stupid.

Well, most people ARE idiots, so can't argue with that. But they sound like EssJayDubyas sounding off on Vox's ideas. I think there is a comparison to be made.

OpenID RambleAround May 28, 2015 8:23 PM  

It is in the interests of the US, and the rest of the west, for that entire region to remain unstable. It is a matter of fact, and policy.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 28, 2015 8:42 PM  

Leonidas. You are absolutely correct that fixing where to start is critical. But, sometimes a critical point can be identified. Removing the one who kept the disparate groups of chaos under check is the immediate cause of today's mess in Iraq. Arming and supporting different groups in Syria, to remove Assad, is the immediate cause for the mess there.
Why, oh, why, must these uSA engage in Yankee foreign policy?

Blogger Nate May 28, 2015 9:01 PM  

NeoCons are just like Keynesians and Commies. When their methods fail... its never the methodology... is always the fault of some guy that just didn't go far enough.

Blogger Cinco May 28, 2015 9:23 PM  

Vox, just please don't predict Rand wins anything, at this point your political predictions amount to a kiss of death for Republicans.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 28, 2015 9:23 PM  

I have to laugh whenever Race Realists support Rastafarians! Ron Paul had some balls back in the day when his newsletter was revealing some truths about blacks that had the MSM in a tizzy, but now that whole family is on their knees fellating Farrakhan and the Black Panthers.
Did you hear how Dr. Stupid wants to free blacks from Prison or Nigger University because there is a disparate number of blacks in jail? If this Dumbo reduces the black prison population to match the White percentage then America is going to turn into Grand Theft Auto: Black Dysfunction MLK Avenue!
People are going to see crime skyrocket if this race pandering buffoon gets into the White House. Romeny lost because Whites stayed home on Election Day, and Dr' Stupid will make sure they all stay home with the Negro Spirituals he sings on the Campaign Trail. Can't you see this clown with a Copkilla Mumia T-Shirt?

Anonymous zen0 May 28, 2015 9:30 PM  

Cinco May 28, 2015 9:23 PM

Vox, just please don't predict Rand wins anything, at this point your political predictions amount to a kiss of death for Republicans.


Good.

Republicans don't even rise to the level of Sad Puppies. They are just puppies.
Poodle puppies.

Anonymous zen0 May 28, 2015 9:34 PM  

RambleAround May 28, 2015 8:23 PM

It is in the interests of the US, and the rest of the west, for that entire region to remain unstable. It is a matter of fact, and policy.


Well that may be true, it would be like that whether the US was involved or not, so why bother??

(note the double question marks)

Blogger Scott May 28, 2015 9:41 PM  

Why can't it be both of those things? Why can't we blame both Bush and Obama?

We can blame Bush, we can blame Obama, we can blame our military industrial complex, we can blame sun spots. What does it matter? Our nation made a decision to go to war with the primary objective of murdering Saddam and his regime and installing free democracy. Therefore, it was our mission to deliver hell to "insurgency" and spend as many billions of Bernanke bucks as it took to maintain a dominant presence there and to "influence" neighboring regions. Burp. Pulling out in totality was criminal and complete fagotry.

Anonymous Roundtine May 28, 2015 9:47 PM  

Rapid Puppies needs a candidate for the Democratic Primary.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 28, 2015 9:48 PM  

I mean, the fact that ISIS has trucks that came from the US should be proof enough that we helped to create them. Oh and their leader spent five years in an American POW facility.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 May 28, 2015 9:50 PM  

@ Scott

> Pulling out in totality was criminal and complete fagotry.

You need another "g" there, Scott.

Going in to install "free democracy" was just the BS they used to sell people with your mindset to support the idea.

By all means, go in, blow shit up, kill people, AND THEN $*%* OFF. Its not hard to understand for normal people.

I am Hereby awarding you the PURPLE FINGER OF LUNACY. Wear it with pride.

Have a parade. All the perverts get parades, now.

Anonymous DT May 28, 2015 9:59 PM  

And here I thought it was obvious that the power vacuum left by America in Iraq, Libya, and Egypt led to the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS.

Technically we did not "create" these groups. We just gave them the freedom to grow and seize territory.

It's a depressing day when you realize that Muslim Arabs have brutal dictators because Muslim Arabs NEED brutal dictators to keep them from insane levels of violence.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 28, 2015 10:23 PM  

"... and installing free democracy."

I think I sae a cow jumping over the moon. Was, that, nah, can't be, a fork snd spoon running away? I need a drink.

Blogger Josh May 28, 2015 10:24 PM  

Did you hear how Dr. Stupid wants to free blacks from Prison or Nigger University because there is a disparate number of blacks in jail? If this Dumbo reduces the black prison population to match the White percentage then America is going to turn into Grand Theft Auto: Black Dysfunction MLK Avenue!

Rand opposes the war on drugs, police militarization, civil asset forfeiture, no knock raids, mandatory sentencing, etc.

What are your positions on those issues?

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 28, 2015 10:26 PM  

: “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.” Ayn Rand. If only we listened.

OT. Muff diving gold digger goes viral “I need feminism because I intend on marrying rich and I can’t do that if my wife and I are making ,75 cent every dollar a man makes.” http://myfox8.com/2015/05/28/gay-feminist-students-yearbook-quote-goes-viral/
I bet the cunt is planning on divorcing some rich woman so she do nothing on gay alimony.

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/once-father-and-son-now-a-married-couple-120039861077.html


Anonymous Roundtine May 28, 2015 10:39 PM  

What are your positions on those issues?

I oppose all of them, but police often use drug laws to remove violent criminals off the street when they lack direct evidence of a crime (hearsay is not evidence) and that putting those people on the street will result in more violence. Without taking steps to deal with the fallout, a reduction of police power would be 100% positive for me in my town and state, but could be a total disaster for people in places such as Baltimore. The debate is over the heads of the general public and falls into the category of crimethink, so maybe he just isn't talking about it, but if Rand's policies were mainly about reducing police power and reducing the prison population, the end result without an increase in other police powers or a commitment to more NYC-style policing, would likely be a surge in crime and violence. Reporter Jill Leovy: LAPD Should Arrest More Black Male Murderers A rise in crime following easier drug laws would superficially confirm the conservative arguments (you ended the drug war and crime went up) and resulted in a long-term increase in police power, just as the current police powers are the reaction to the liberal policies of the 1960s and 1970s.

Anonymous zen0 May 28, 2015 10:41 PM  

DT May 28, 2015 9:59 PM

And here I thought it was obvious that the power vacuum left by America in Iraq, Libya, and Egypt led to the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS.


Led to the "empowerment" of the Muslim Brotherhood. They were already in place. All by design. What do you think the "Arab Spring" was all about? Democracy? Have you followed the connections between the Muslim Brotherhood and Hildebeast?.

Obama and Erdogen speaking Arab to each other in private conversations.

ISIS is the vanguard of the New Caliphate, useful idiots clearing the way.

The power vacuum is on purpose. It is kind of like the rabbi's version of how God had to withdraw into himself to leave a space for creation to exist.

Begin to grok.

Anonymous Heaviside May 28, 2015 10:59 PM  

>It is kind of like the rabbi's version of how God had to withdraw into himself to leave a space for creation to exist.

Now if I said that God is absent because material objects are all that exist I would be called irreligious, but if a rabbi says it then it must be the height of piety.

Blogger Josh May 28, 2015 11:05 PM  

I oppose all of them, but police often use drug laws to remove violent criminals off the street when they lack direct evidence of a crime (hearsay is not evidence) and that putting those people on the street will result in more violence.

Given that the police are fully corrupt and fraudulent (see the recent csi revelations), I'm not sure we can take their word about the effectiveness of these policies.

Anonymous zen0 May 28, 2015 11:30 PM  

@ Heaviside

Now if I said that God is absent because material objects are all that exist I would be called irreligious, but if a rabbi says it then it must be the height of piety

That was feeble. Not only did they not say that material objects are all that exist, they did not say that God was absent.

How do you get through the day without spilling food on yourself or peeing your pants?

Blogger James Dixon May 29, 2015 12:02 AM  

> What did catapult ISIS into existence was the US complete and sudden *departure* from Iraq. Thank the current administration for that.

Like Disney and copyright, all they ask for is forever minus one day.

> so Vox, are you voting for Rand?? careful, careful.

What part of "Vox lives in Italy now" was over your pay grade?

OpenID countenance May 29, 2015 12:06 AM  

The sad part is that Rand Paul is going to do poorly in Republican primaries because of his race pandering and his immigration squishiness. But the neos will from the moment he drops out of the race start peddling the notion that isolationism loses and that voters really want to invade the world.

Anonymous Don May 29, 2015 12:08 AM  

Roundtine,
The fact that it helps get violent criminals off the streets does not make up for the thousands of lives ruined and children taken away for nonviolent possession. We have police doing no-knock warrants and flash banging just to keep the perps from flushing evidence. We have international cartels and banks making a killing from the black market, and funding some REAL criminals!
We have the whole prison racket.
The War on Drugs is an immense failure if it is about stopping drug use. But it isn't.
Neocons are wrong again, but what else is new.

Blogger automatthew May 29, 2015 12:20 AM  

Big Gay Steve, would you be willing to put yourself on a Three Gay Anecdotes per day limit?

Blogger automatthew May 29, 2015 12:21 AM  

I value the intel, don't get me wrong. But you're starting to bore. Keep your powder dry.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 29, 2015 12:24 AM  

Look I don't think you boys are tall enough for this ride. These boyz in the hoodies are getting a free riot so they can militarize the police and no-knock gun owners at night. Releasing more apes to brutalize people is just what the jackboots want to get their shiny new bulletproof tank to protect them when they come to kill you.
Rand is just a sell-out. Look at the pics of him at some wall in Palestine praying for more death in Mohammed land so more refugees can rape your wimmen here. He's not legit, he's Judas with a penchant for cuckold porn!
All of you had better realise now, you're not going to vote away these problems. But, voting for media shills like this is just helping your enemies. Every time this little bitch cries wacism another White woman gets raped and murdered.

Blogger J Thomas May 29, 2015 12:45 AM  

Islam is a religion of grievance, a sort of proclaimed "antidote" for the religion of Abraham, starting fundamentally with the perceived injustice suffered by Ishmael.

It is true that "neocons" have greatly inflamed/exacerbated the situation (with their incompetence, and foolish wars), but the sons of Ishmael are going to despise the "children of the promise" regardless, and like Cain killed Abel (because of God's seemingly unfair favoritism to Abel), so also the Arab world will always have a hard-on for killing the sons of Abraham, for the apparent injustice (banishment to desert) that they have suffered.

Neocons or not, (and as Vox would probably admit), Civilization vs Islam was coming down the pipe eventually. Did dumb/fake conservatives hasten the cataclysm? Probably. In the grand scheme though, the author is right that " the Islamic State is just another avatar of Islamic imperialism’s desire for a world caliphate that has been going on for centuries, long before our country was in existence".

Blogger J Thomas May 29, 2015 12:48 AM  

At a fundamental level, the desire for the caliphate is a deep unconscious revenge against "the children of the promise", a hatred against everything good, because of how it is perceived that "the good" was stripped from them (arabs) when they were young.

Anonymous rho May 29, 2015 12:56 AM  

Therefore, it was our mission to deliver hell to "insurgency" and spend as many billions of Bernanke bucks as it took to maintain a dominant presence there and to "influence" neighboring regions. Burp. Pulling out in totality was criminal and complete fagotry.

Let me introduce you to the concept of "sunk costs."

I am impressed with your willingness to run balls-first at every obstacle, but we should really do better at learning from our mistakes.

Blogger Josh May 29, 2015 1:02 AM  

Rand is just a sell-out.

Who is he selling out, and to whom?

Blogger Nobody May 29, 2015 1:14 AM  

What did catapult ISIS into existence was the US complete and sudden *departure* from Iraq. Thank the current administration for that.

That is just pure bunk. We destroyed the very infrastructure that kept these crazies in the septic tank. Either directly, or indirectly. Iraq, Libya, Syria. And now beyond. After bombing the crap out of Gaddafi, we should have put up a big fat sign, Free Weapons For The Pickins! Or, The Thomas Jefferson Liberty Arms Bazaar?

I can only assume that our GPS is out of calibration, as we keep accidentally dropping them arms. And weird after we keep training and arming these people, they keep changing sides, aye?

Bush signed in 2008, the: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq. As far as I see it, Obama was just honoring the Bush Treaty. U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009. All U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

WTFU.

And remember, Ukraine has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

Saudi Arabia is now in its, what? 88th beheading this year.

And let's remember something. They are not beheading and doing other nastiness to JUST Christians.

And for those who dare say, "But, but, but, why don't those other Muslims do something!" First of all, many Muslims have protected Christians. And many other Muslims/non-Muslims do fight back but don't have the training or the weaponry. Secondly, why don't YOU sweep up to the eyeball mound of crap off of YOUR porch?

And really, how frikkin hard can it be for the CIA/DoD to find CIA-ISIS training camps? Oops, can't be bombing our NATO members, can we?

You don't have to like ANY Muslim. But don't let your dislike for all 1 Billion of them cloud over your eyes and cranial space. It all goes back to PNAC and The Pentagons New Map. Obama is just carrying on the Cheney/Bush plan.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 29, 2015 1:29 AM  

Hilarious. Where do I begin?

"Rand, again like father Ron, is essentially racist in blaming this on America and not recognizing other cultures have belief systems to which they truly adhere and that those belief systems may be dangerous, even evil."

He goes off on a tear about the evils of Islam, and THEN has the audacity to label Paul a racist? Delicious.

Strike #1 against the hypocrite!

Perhaps more later.

OpenID docrampage May 29, 2015 1:31 AM  

I'd like to point out that what seems to have made Roger Simon upset with Rand is not that he blamed US policy for the rise of ISIS but that he blamed Republicans for it. Several commenters are conflating these two positions but ISIS as arisen during the rule of a Democrat who has no interest whatsoever in Republican input. Blaming Republicans for what Obama did just because Republicans did similar things under Bush is not only unreasonable, it is scoring points for the opposition. The people that Republicans gave weapons to may not have been Washingtonian, but they were nothing like ISIS. And lots of Republicans (even those you call neocons) have been all over Obama for giving weapons to the wrong people. It's not a fair cop.

OpenID docrampage May 29, 2015 1:36 AM  

Kark, I'd also like to point out that the final cause is the teleological cause. It is the purpose for which something happened. For example, the final cause of a plant flowering is to reproduce. Therefore your suggestion amounts to: ISIS exists for the purpose of killing Saddam Hussein. That can't be what you mean.

Blogger IM2L844 May 29, 2015 1:55 AM  

We can't offend Muslims. We don't have a moral leg to stand on because Crusades.

If only some community organizer would come along and introduce leftist ideology into the Middle East, everything would work out just fine. Ha!

I say, turn the whole shebang into a smoking hole in the ground.

Anonymous rho May 29, 2015 2:49 AM  

Who is he selling out, and to whom?

All of those super rich Alex Jones listeners, black criminals in jail, and self-hating Reason.com commenters.

He's gonna smash the 2016 election, jus' you wait.

Anonymous Heaviside May 29, 2015 3:55 AM  

>Not only did they not say that material objects are all that exist, they did not say that God was absent.

Well, lets consider the statement in some detail:

"God had to withdraw into himself to leave a space for creation to exist."

Clearly, if God withdraws from someplace, then he is absent from that place. Where did he withdraw from? He withdrew from the space in which creation exists. God didn't withdraw from that space into another space, but into himself. Now if God can exist in himself, why can't creation exist within him too? Why does God need to withdraw from creation?

The statement says that God withdrew into himself, away from the things which are not God, away from the space where creation is, and away from human beings, who are part of creation. God is absent from the world and from human life.

Existere literally means to stand out or step forth, but this god does the exact opposite of that -- he withdraws.

Anonymous Stilicho May 29, 2015 4:35 AM  

@Sam, exactly.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 29, 2015 7:20 AM  

JThomas. Also, Islam teaches that Ishmael, not Isaac, is the son of promise and heir.

Blogger Nate May 29, 2015 7:42 AM  

The neocon establish has its hands tied. ISIS is a boat ancor to hang around the necks of both hillary and obama... Its a total disaster that is totally their baby.

But the neocons can't criticize them for it. They can't attack them and beat them up with it because the neocons loved it. They were the ones banging the war drum in syria... calling for Assad's head. They supported these idiots arming Isis so they could help take out Assad.

One of the biggest most obvious clusterfucks in american foreign policy history... and the republican establishment is willing to let it slide. Even if it means losing an election. Because dammit... they just love dropping bombs.

Anonymous Leonidas May 29, 2015 8:21 AM  

The other thing about Paul: the man does have a strategy. Conveniently timed to follow up on this controversy comes <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7qy-4CBBZo>this ad</a>.

Anonymous Roundtine May 29, 2015 8:29 AM  

The fact that it helps get violent criminals off the streets does not make up for the thousands of lives ruined and children taken away for nonviolent possession.

I don't deny the abuses, but if the drug laws are reduced without some other way of increasing police or state power, places like my hometown will turn into ghettos due to heroin. You cannot remove these people because the federal government is involved with things like section 8. You need to look at why these specific laws are being abused, there is not purely a story of corrupt police in every case. I do not like the laws and want them removed, but if you don't change other laws, you are going to see nice peaceful communities turned into hellholes within a few years.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 29, 2015 8:53 AM  

The neocon establish has its hands tied. ISIS is a boat ancor to hang around the necks of both hillary and obama... Its a total disaster that is totally their baby.

But the neocons can't criticize them for it. They can't attack them and beat them up with it because the neocons loved it. They were the ones banging the war drum in syria... calling for Assad's head. They supported these idiots arming Isis so they could help take out Assad.

One of the biggest most obvious clusterfucks in american foreign policy history... and the republican establishment is willing to let it slide. Even if it means losing an election. Because dammit... they just love dropping bombs.


See, that's how the message is delivered. Rand Paul should work on his delivery.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 29, 2015 8:58 AM  

if the drug laws are reduced without some other way of increasing police or state power, places like my hometown will turn into ghettos due to heroin.

The offenders taken off the street are quickly replaced, so at best, you're fighting a delaying action without a plan to win. Plus, despite decades of the drug war, you can buy just about any illegal drug you want in any town in America.

I do not like the laws and want them removed, but if you don't change other laws, you are going to see nice peaceful communities turned into hellholes within a few years.

Are the drugs the problem or are certain people the problem? Your reluctant advocacy of the current system of incarcerating drug offenders suggests the latter.

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I May 29, 2015 9:13 AM  

ISIS would exist even if Saddam were still in power. If you don't believe me, you haven't been reading ZeroHedge the last couple of years.

Who created and funded ISIS? The US and their good friends the Saudis, plus some of the other Persian Gulf players.

Why did they create ISIS? ISIS is merely the latest evolution of the Islamic Anti-Russian Proxy Army (IARPA). Remeber the Chechens? They were created by the US and Saudi funded IARPA called Al Queda.

What two middle eastern countries were openly allied with Russia? Iraq and Syria. Iraq is a sectarian cinder pile thanks to the US, their Eurotrash friends and their IARPA's. Syria is heading the same way as Iraq.

Why?

The short answer is it's all about the money. The longer answer is this: if you want to minize Russian influence in the EU, you need to supply Europe with natural gas. The easiest way to do this is by pipeline. In this case a pipeline from the southern Arabian penninsula to Istanbul. A pipeline, coincidentally, that would have to pass through Syria and Iraq. Get rid of Russias' buddies and you can push through a pipeline. You also have to minimize Russias influence in the region as well.

What is unfolding is nothing more than the same WW3 middle east war game that the Pentagon has been playing for decades. Only the players and objectives have changed.

Blogger Josh May 29, 2015 9:41 AM  

Guys, y'all need to watch The greatest political ad in history

Blogger Doom May 29, 2015 9:48 AM  

Oh, you mean the free-market Paul? Wait, you suggest you are against the free-market? Or is he only free-market between the states? Just... checking

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown May 29, 2015 10:26 AM  

Scott sez,
"Our nation made a decision to go to war with the primary objective of murdering Saddam and his regime and installing free democracy."

"Murdering Saddam" is a military objective.
"Installing free democracy" is not.

Blogger Karl May 29, 2015 10:54 AM  

I'd also like to point out that the final cause is the teleological cause. It is the purpose for which something happened. For example, the final cause of a plant flowering is to reproduce. Therefore your suggestion amounts to: ISIS exists for the purpose of killing Saddam Hussein. That can't be what you mean.

Nope, you are right, it wasn't what I meant. The final cause is the establishment of a Caliphate. Removal of Saddam removed a barrier. Like I said, I'd have to read more to see how other people treated social conditions - popular mentality, thinking, religious belief and social order - as material causes.

In a first draft: Different societies are different material. Like a garden in a desert vs a rain forest. There's no ideology of universal, egalitarian, equalitarian gardening. However, there are universal, egalitarian, equalitarian ideologies about humanity. Bombing Japan and occupying it produced a different outcome than bombing Iraq and occupying it because the material of each society is different.

To continue the garden analogy. Removing Saddam (garden fence) and pouring arms (fertilizer) that ended up being abandoned by the Iraqi army are the material cause.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 29, 2015 11:38 AM  

"Two. Since it seems that mankind is in a civilizational struggle for its own soul, and since it is clear that the hordes of Islam want to decapitate everyone you know and love,"

No, just you.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 29, 2015 11:42 AM  

Why do you donut punchers pretend as if conquest is a uniquely muslim hobby? You fuckers did similar things in South America, Finland, against the Saxons.

How are Muzzies different from Christians historically, wrt violence?

Blogger Marissa May 29, 2015 12:18 PM  

Mohammedans esteem a child rapist warlord who spread his filth all over the cradle of civilization. Christians don't. Ideas have consequences.

Blogger Josh May 29, 2015 1:08 PM  

How are Muzzies different from Christians historically, wrt violence?

As evidence, I would like to present this comment:

"Two. Since it seems that mankind is in a civilizational struggle for its own soul, and since it is clear that the hordes of Islam want to decapitate everyone you know and love,"

No, just you.

Blogger Dan in Tx May 29, 2015 1:30 PM  

I honestly could give two shits what Moslems do in their own countries, as long as they stay there. We should leave them the hell alone to live how they want IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES. These neocons go on and on about how we have to bomb the Moslems because they want to create a new caliphate that spans the globe. When you ask them how they stand on stopping ALL immigration....crickets. So their position always boils down to: bomb them over there so we can bring them over here. Brilliant.

Blogger JohnG May 29, 2015 1:31 PM  

Chengu's piece was fairly accurate till about halfway. It starts going to hell when it gets into "war for oil" - despite not a drop coming to us gratis - and the typical Big Defense conspiracy theories. KBR is still working over here, I'm pretty sure a President Rand would have to use them too, there isn't a deck-of-cards worth of corporations that can do the logistics piece like they can.

We did start the insurgency in Iraq, it was due to deBaathification. Everything Chengu said there about the Sunnis is correct and entirely predictable. State and other agencies have always flirted with these bad elements for whatever number of foolish reasons, the common denominator is that they think these guys are really "bought" when we hand them money. It'll eventually bite them in the ass...like it did with those 8 CIA Seniors that got blown up trying to give the Jordanian jihadi Dr. a birthday cake a few years back...but in the meantime a bigger question for Paul would be what does he intend to do when Isis becomes a problem too big to ignore? Because they will become a problem. Iran has sleeper cells here just in case anybody ever gets serious about a regime change (or what they perceive to be any effort facilitated by the west). I'm thinking that after whatever amount of bodies they clean up a glib line like "the statistical chance of getting killed by a terrorist ranks somewhere between a car wreck and getting hit by lightning" isn't going to cut it with the population.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 29, 2015 2:01 PM  

"Two. Since it seems that mankind is in a civilizational struggle for its own soul, and since it is clear that the hordes of Islam want to decapitate everyone you know and love,"

No, just you.


Well Tommy you can certainly admit that you want the hordes of moslems to decapitate everyone I know and lover after we run out of ammo that has bacon grease rubbed on it.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 29, 2015 2:03 PM  

"As evidence, I would like to present this comment:

"Two. Since it seems that mankind is in a civilizational struggle for its own soul, and since it is clear that the hordes of Islam want to decapitate everyone you know and love,"

No, just you."

You're a dumb piece of shit.

1. I am not "historical". In modernity, there is a difference between Christians and Muslims. That's the reason for me asking about history.

2. This guy not only made a preposterously stupid statement, but also suggested a large scale war and destruction against people like me. People like him dying would be justifiable.

3. It was a reference to Stand By Me.

4. By your definition, Christians are violent because Vox once said he would enjoy hunting SJWs once it becomes legal.

You get nothing! You lose! Good day, Sir!

Blogger Tommy Hass May 29, 2015 2:07 PM  

"Well Tommy you can certainly admit that you want the hordes of moslems to decapitate everyone I know and lover after we run out of ammo that has bacon grease rubbed on it."

Why do people think prok is that offensive to Muslims? It's supposed to be inedible, it's not some sort of silver bullet. You could use dog grease and it would be just as offensive.

Also, the "let's use pork to humiliate them" is something that Pol Pot has done.

Seriously, you people need to be gassed. You loathsome roaches.

Here you are, actually pretending to be the good guys. Go die of GRIDS.

Blogger Josh May 29, 2015 3:15 PM  

You're a dumb piece of shit.

I will respond my drawing your attention to a comment made by a Muslim:

Seriously, you people need to be gassed. You loathsome roaches.

So twice in this thread you have made comments about infidels needing to be killed.

Your rhetoric is certainly more violent than the average Christian on this thread.

And historically, look at Vox's math on religion and wars. Muslims are twice as violent as all other regions combined.

Anonymous Roundtine May 29, 2015 5:05 PM  

Are the drugs the problem or are certain people the problem?

Of course it's the people. Nearly all criminals use drugs, so it is a great way to remove the criminal element.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 29, 2015 6:53 PM  

All of you have taken the bait hook, line and sinker. Ayn Rand's love child is just the latest in a LOOONG LINE OF FALSE OPPOSITION. When are you going to realize that the GOP is trying to LOSE? They're the opponent in a Don King fight that falls down the minute the first punch misses them so the owner's Champ looks good.
This Rastafarian mess doesn't care about you. If I hear once more that the Republicans are Lincoln's party and MLK is a great hero I'm gonna PUKE! This guy is business as usual.
How any of you can delude yourselves as to how a rabid Capitalist is not working to help Oil Companies is a mystery to me? Was it a bad day to stop sniffing glue? Put down that modelling glue and grab some coffee, because its time to SMELL THE GODDAMN COFFEE!
Turn off the dog and pony show on C-SPAN and get a load of reality. Dr. Stupid having a filibuster in the Imperial Senate is duller than watching grass grow. These senior citizen politicos haven't done anything since Andrew Jackson was President. They were trying to stop him from closing the First Central Bank of the USA that Ole Hickory called the Den of Thieves.
He might want to audit 'em but I sincerely doubt a Capitalist will close a bank! You're all being played. Invade the World/ Invite the World is not an unintended consequence, they're part of the same plan! Open your eyes. They want you dead, and this clown wants to release black crime so Uncle Sham can give them a Section 8 ticket next door to YOU!

Blogger Tommy Hass May 29, 2015 7:56 PM  

"So twice in this thread you have made comments about infidels needing to be killed.

Your rhetoric is certainly more violent than the average Christian on this thread."

Not true. My rhetoric is the way it is, because there are people in this thread claiming that people like me are to be delenda. I only ocus my ire on individuals. Infidels? Plz. Do you even know my family?

"And historically, look at Vox's math on religion and wars. Muslims are twice as violent as all other regions combined."

Meh. I know that half of interreligious wars involved Muslims. But I'm not sure if that proves your point.

What about sectarian wars between Christians? What about the fact that Muslims border on both Christians and Hindus? Christians were surrounded by water and Christians for the most part. Only a small part involving Muslims. When having contact with nonbelievers, they also conquered, when they could. Correct?

OpenID ymarsakar May 31, 2015 5:15 PM  

Republicans didn't have the power to tell Hussein what to do in Libya or Iraq. So how does the Left's crimes against humanity mean Paul is right about Republicans?

Paul is just the Left's propaganda smokescreen, doing as he was ordered to. Maybe because like Hastert, he has some goods on em.

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