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Monday, May 04, 2015

Never retreat, never apologize

Brad Torgersen
Correia also likes women. We're not sure about Scalzi on that count. If you know what I mean.

John Scalzi ‏@scalzi
Brad Torgersen attempts to insult me by implying I'm gay; I respond. He attempts an apology; I respond to that too.
Does no one listen or learn? Never, EVER apologize to SJWs! Case in point: "The apology was worse than the ini­tial attempted slur — it rein­forced the fact that Torg­ersen thinks calling someone gay is a slur."

I repeat. NEVER APOLOGIZE TO SJWs. They will see it as fear, take the apology, and use it as a club with which to beat you. Never back down to them, never retreat, never apologize.Notice that this was all posted AFTER Torgersen apologized to Scalzi.

    Hur hur, homophobia's a gas when you're a Sad Puppy!
    — John Scalzi (@scalzi) May 4, 2015

    Again: I'm mostly sad for the Sad Puppies. So much insecurity and envy and anger and need. For their own sakes, I wish they were happy.
    — John Scalzi (@scalzi) May 4, 2015

    Note that my pity for the Sad Puppies doesn't preclude me pointing out they are assholes. And that they've made the active choice to be so.
    — John Scalzi (@scalzi) May 4, 2015

    Also, if I DID like men more than women, so what? That would be a perfectly good thing, nor would I be the slightest bit ashamed of it.
    — John Scalzi (@scalzi) May 4, 2015

    If Brad Torgersen wants to insult me, insinuating I'm gay won't work. It's not an insult to be gay. Be an insult to be a Sad Puppy, however.
    — John Scalzi (@scalzi) May 4, 2015

If it's not an insult to be gay, then why is McRapey acting as if it is an insult? And how has Brad Torgersen damaged his potentially promising career by not insulting someone?
mintwitch ‏@mintwitch
Brad is just... so sad. He's completely lost his grip, and unfortunately probably damaged a potentially promising career.

John Scalzi ‏@scalzi
If he has, I suspect he will attribute it to his politics rather than his personal behavior.
So, just a single insult of the wrong individual is sufficient to damage a promising career. That's fascinating, in light of how we have been repeatedly assured that there isn't any cabal or conspiracy or collection of people who will attempt to torpedo your career in science fiction over mere differences of opinion. After all, was it not Orson Scott Card's personal behavior to which the SJWs objected when they attacked the Ender's Game movie?

Was it not my personal behavior to which they objected when they attacked me on the basis of a syndicated op/ed column?

In the meantime, AN EDUCATIONAL DIALOGUE from the Evil Legion of Evil:
John Scalzi: "I’d rather like men than to be a Sad Puppy."

Minion 189: "What do you mean when you say 'like men'? Do you mean in the manner of owing someone a big favor in the Ground Forces?

John Scalzi: "Um, yeah."

Big Gay Steve: "This can be arranged. I know a guy."

John Scalzi: "SQUEEEE!"

The End
I don't know about you, but I find it somewhat surprising that McRapey would publicly express a preference for being sodomized to seeing the likes of Jim Butcher or John C. Wright win a Hugo Award. It's not exactly what you'd call a binary option.

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127 Comments:

Anonymous jaericho (107) May 04, 2015 1:06 PM  

What if we apologize like Capt. Sheridan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8vA0ANTUM0

Blogger Markku May 04, 2015 1:09 PM  

Sometimes I apologize, not because I expect the other person to accept it gracefully, but because I realize I didn't quite represent Jesus well as an ambassador of Christ. I do it for Jesus, not for them.

I kind of suspect it's what might be going on here.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 04, 2015 1:09 PM  

Scalzi isn't gay...he just really enjoys dressing as a woman and writing about guys giving each other blowjobs. #notgayatall

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 04, 2015 1:11 PM  

Isn't he married to some tranny looking thing and likes to offer blowjobs as a way of thanks?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 04, 2015 1:12 PM  

Narcissism and gayness two congruent behaviors, so yep Scalzi blows dudes. But then again, he says he "improves" women.

Yep chicks dig snarky bitches, someone call Roosh or Roissy.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 04, 2015 1:14 PM  

Go with Markku, sometimes you step in it but its best to apologize to the third parties and not your antagonist.

Blogger Danby May 04, 2015 1:16 PM  

I apologize all the time. I'm intemperate in speech. When I speak without thinking, or when what I say is specifically untrue, I apologize. Simple.

I never apologize for stating the truth.

Blogger Markku May 04, 2015 1:18 PM  

Calling someone "gay" is an accusation of committing an abomination to God, to such a degree that they deserve the capital punishment though we don't actually execute it anymore in New Testament times.

When you call your friends gay, everyone understands, or should understand, that it's horseplay. But when you do that to your enemy, I can completely see why Brad would apologize for it.

Anonymous Daniel May 04, 2015 1:20 PM  

Brad didn't make a gay joke in the first place - he suggested that Scalzi hates women. Scalzi then assumed it was a gay joke and went off on that, because attacking Brad for Scalzi's own desires to sexually batter women would have backfired.

I can't remember what it was that Brad wrote, but it was something like "I like women. Larry likes women. Not sure if Scalzi likes women."

I saw it (only when Scalzi broadcast it to the world) and assumed Brad was dinging him for being a rapist, not a gay. I guess it is open to interpretation. In any case, nothing to apologize for.

Blogger Vox May 04, 2015 1:21 PM  

I repeat. You do not EVER apologize to SJWs. Did Jesus Christ apologize to the Pharisees for hurting their feelings?

Anonymous LL #0002 May 04, 2015 1:23 PM  

Scalzi tweets like a shrieking gay man. I can understand the confusion.

Blogger Markku May 04, 2015 1:24 PM  

I think that's an obvious gay joke, though not a particularly malevolent kind. It's the kind of quip you make with your friends. But I've been there before. Soon you start thinking about the fuller religious implications of what you just said. The apology would be not because you have actually caused emotional distress to the target, but because you have said something you should have not said as a representative of Christ.

That kind of stuff happens very easily. And it's why it's a little bit of a risky game to develop a habit of flippancy on serious issues. Very easily, you accidentally step over the border.

Anonymous Daniel May 04, 2015 1:24 PM  

To be clear: Scalzi is lying about being the butt of a homophobic joke, because being the butt of a rape joke would have hit too close to home.

Again, I'm only going off of Scalzi's feed when I saw it last night: the only "joke" that he linked was the mild one suggesting Scalzi has something against women.

Blogger Bobo May 04, 2015 1:24 PM  

Scalzi may not be gay, but by all appearances he's missing a good chance...

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 04, 2015 1:24 PM  

Not sure if Scalzi likes women.

He likes their dresses

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 04, 2015 1:27 PM  

I can't remember what it was that Brad wrote, but it was something like "I like women. Larry likes women. Not sure if Scalzi likes women."

Markku, would you be fine with the statement if it were changed to "I like women. Larry likes women. Scalzi likes to wear their dresses"??

Blogger Markku May 04, 2015 1:27 PM  

Did Jesus Christ apologize to the Pharisees for hurting their feelings?

No, because what Jesus said was true. But as for Scalzi, Brad didn't in reality have reason to believe he might be homosexual. And the situation is actually the exact opposite. Jesus said something true, and hurt their feelings. Brad said something untrue, and didn't hurt his feelings.

I'm not saying he SHOULD have apologized, as I constantly flirt that line myself. I'm just saying that I can see why his conscience would have caused him to apologize, and wouldn't second-guess him for it.

Blogger Markku May 04, 2015 1:28 PM  

Markku, would you be fine with the statement if it were changed to "I like women. Larry likes women. Scalzi likes to wear their dresses"??

Yes, that is just a straightforward and demonstrable truth.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 04, 2015 1:32 PM  

Brad didn't in reality have reason to believe he might be homosexual.

except for the cross dressing, fascination with homosexual sex acts, support for the homosexual agenda, general bitchiness and mincing, nancy-boy attitude...

Blogger Daniel May 04, 2015 1:33 PM  

Scalzi has expressed an affinity for wearing their dresses and raping them.

Maybe Brad should apologize...to gays. "Dear sirs, I'm sorry that I insulted your class of gentlemen by insinuating that the self-proclaimed heterosexual rapist John Scalzi was, in fact, a member in good standing of your league of sodomites."

Blogger Bogey May 04, 2015 1:34 PM  

Next time drop the "If you know what I mean" because we know what you mean.

Anonymous NateM May 04, 2015 1:34 PM  

It's a shame, but Brad Torgersen's failure shows just what we're dealing with. I think Brad is a genuinely decent man, and just wants to repair the divide he sees in SFF, but he doesn't realize that the people who have manufactured that divide will do anything to stop that. Even to the point of rejecting any overtures of civility. Brad may not agree with Vox' methods, but he just can't seem to realize you need a Mongoose to root out a viper.

Blogger The Original Hermit May 04, 2015 1:37 PM  

How about: "If you're gonna be gay, that's fine but you've got to own it. You [scalzi] however, are a miserable excuse for a straight man".

Blogger Daniel May 04, 2015 1:38 PM  

Brad will be okay. He'll come around eventually. The Kumbaya fantasy has a powerful hold, but it is quite obviously being actively picked apart by the Brotherhood of Man right in front of Brad's eyes. Give him time, and don't forget that he's in the process of being pushed off the platform above: he doesn't know he's got his own waiting for him down here below, in Hell, and not only is it custom made, but it has railguns.

Blogger Markku May 04, 2015 1:38 PM  

Well, Brad's conscience is not my conscience, so I'm not in a position to say. But I would say that without qualms, except for the part where I call being gay "fine".

Blogger Salt #0008 May 04, 2015 1:38 PM  

Brad set the soapbox down and Scalzi, not one to pass on a perfectly good opportunity, climbed on. SJWs are the enemy, and this isn't a friendly game being played.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 04, 2015 1:41 PM  

It's not what you'd call a binary option.

AWCA

Anonymous aviendha May 04, 2015 1:41 PM  

#$@! Scalzi.
I mean really. Does this pathetic little douchebag deserve a seconds notice by anyone that isn't his colleague. I don't think I'd spare some piss if he was on fire.

Blogger Bogey May 04, 2015 1:43 PM  

Salt is right, this is not a friendly game being played. Brad's apology just increased the spread for the opposing team.

Blogger YIH May 04, 2015 1:47 PM  

Lets see, there's MR CAPS LOCK'S more than slightly mannish-looking 'wife'.
Then there's that passage from Redshirts.
Then there's all that whining (won't even bother linking the posts).
Gay? The doughboy? Well...

Anonymous Tom May 04, 2015 1:50 PM  

Torgy should have played the ASEXUAL card in return to Scalzi's thinking he was being called gay.

Jeez, Scalzi, why are you dissing all the asexuals out there? They are people too, you hater!

Blogger ScuzzaMan May 04, 2015 1:52 PM  

It is a massive failure of imagination (who'd have guessed?) to assume that intimating he doesn't like women can only mean he likes men.

I'd have said that under-aged penguins would be more likely.

Anonymous AlteredFate #92 May 04, 2015 1:54 PM  

I didn't think Scalzi was gay. I do now.

Blogger Daniel May 04, 2015 1:55 PM  

Five hours ago from Scalzi:

@wilw I'm also honored to be your manwife, with the admission your ladywife is far more skilled at googly eye placement than I'll ever be.

Remind me, what was this "insult" again?

Anonymous Geoff May 04, 2015 2:00 PM  

"not sure if Scalzi likes women"

Perhaps Brad was simply classifying Scalzi as a gamma.

Anonymous Steve May 04, 2015 2:01 PM  

No idea if Scalzi is homosexual or not, but he's definitely a faggot.

Hard to believe that prissy Twitter rant was from a 45 year old father. Bloody hell.

Anonymous FP May 04, 2015 2:02 PM  

Has Scalzi apologized for his allies who called Brad a crypto racist when they found out he was married to a black woman?

Saw this via Larry's twitter feed:

http://mykecole.com/blog/2015/05/an-open-letter-to-chief-warrant-officer-brad-r-torgersen

His bio is amusing. Screams arrogant new yawker.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 May 04, 2015 2:03 PM  

Scalzi isn't gay - gay guys can't be beaten by teenage girls at the bench press. He's more like a floppy little muppet who enjoys the thought of a hand up his rump to the elbow.

Anonymous Menelaus May 04, 2015 2:03 PM  

@ ScuzzaMan

Just to be sure, what *is* the age of consent for penguin(s)?

OpenID malcolmthecynic May 04, 2015 2:03 PM  

Why on EARTH did Brad say anything in the first place?

Let alone apologize.

What good could possibly have come of this?

Blogger Joel (#0164) May 04, 2015 2:03 PM  

What if we apologize like Capt. Sheridan?

Or Mike Adams

Blogger Nate May 04, 2015 2:03 PM  

John Scalzi is a strange hermaphraditical type of creature with neither the sensibility and practicality of a woman, nor the fortitude and strength of man.

Blogger SirThermite May 04, 2015 2:04 PM  

Scalzi sound like those tolerant and open-minded liberals several years back who never missed an opportunity to to insult their newest political opponents as "teabaggers" and using other gay innuendos. Just goes to show how much they care about political correctness...they'll ditch it in a heartbeat if it's not an effective enough bludgeon.

Anonymous RatDog May 04, 2015 2:07 PM  

It's weird-- but you can actually see 'gamma-ness' by looking at a male SJW's face. It doesn't matter if they are being serious, smiling for a photo, or goofing off. It's a similar principle to 'gayface' but there is a distinction in the look.

I can't put my finger on it exactly, but it is a look of weakness. What pisses you off is when they fight back with snark from a distance. It makes you want to punch them all the more.

I guess if I had to really sum it up, the 'gamma face' is a physical manifestation of perverting God's intention of manhood. When you get that twisted mentally, perhaps there is a psychosomatic expression of it.

At work, I see a few of these males in management positions. They are extremely conflict avoidant in face-to-face battles but they're really good at backstabbing by e-mail. They tend to socialize with women much more than men in the department and follow their lead. The most hated enemy of these conflict avoidant males is the most conflict prone man in the office.

Blogger Danby May 04, 2015 2:10 PM  

@Menelaus
Just to be sure, what *is* the age of consent for penguin(s)?

Why do you need to know?

OpenID richard1j May 04, 2015 2:11 PM  

"Isn't he married to some tranny looking thing and likes to offer blowjobs as a way of thanks?" To his tranny looking thing?

Blogger The Original Hermit May 04, 2015 2:13 PM  

'except for the part where I call being gay "fine".'
Not in a literal sense, more of a "so what you want, no son of my back".

Blogger Danby May 04, 2015 2:17 PM  

Seeing what the original remark was, no I would not have apologized for that.
I also would not have flagged it with "if you know what I mean", but that's a style thing.

Blogger Russell (#0106) May 04, 2015 2:17 PM  

Gaaaay!

Anonymous AlteredFate #92 May 04, 2015 2:18 PM  

John Scalzi is a strange hermaphraditical type of creature with neither the sensibility and practicality of a woman, nor the fortitude and strength of man.

He should add this quote to his bio. Couldn't get any more accurate than that.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 04, 2015 2:27 PM  

"I think that's an obvious gay joke, though not a particularly malevolent kind."

Gammas don't like women, while Alphas do. Perhaps not what Torgersen meant, but his questioning would be correct if he had.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 May 04, 2015 2:27 PM  

Meanwhile, another African country says there is no place for teh gayz.

The left has killed more homosexuals that the most conservative American could imagine through demanding social acceptance of gay practices that couldn't be more lethal if they were run through a German design bureau, and ramming social policies down the throats of westerners to the point that non-westerners have decided to solve the issue domestically before they get interventioned.

Blogger CSAFarmer May 04, 2015 2:27 PM  

@ Menelaus - Just to be sure, what *is* the age of consent for penguin(s)?

See, you forgot to add "I'm asking for a friend".

Blogger Salt #0008 May 04, 2015 2:28 PM  

Reading the comments @Whatever.

Here is Swirsky -

Brad is my age. It’s about worldview and politics, not age.

Also, they have a vision of the future and that’s what this is about.


It's way more than about SF/F. It's about remaking reality to their worldview. We're in a war.

Brad may not agree with Vox' methods, but he just can't seem to realize you need a Mongoose to root out a viper.

Blogger Edd Jobs May 04, 2015 2:29 PM  

@SirThermite Google John Scalzi and Teabagger to see multiple instances of the hypocrite using the term.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 04, 2015 2:34 PM  

I suspect Brad felt ashamed as soon as he posted. Correia also likes women. We're not sure about Scalzi on that count. If you know what I mean.

Brad's an old fashioned Libertarian. Which is why he made the mistake of attempting to apologize to a malignant narcissist conman.

Someone like Scalzi views the graceful acceptance of an apology, as a laughable waste of a valuable resource. He's not capable of letting go of an opportunity to declare himself martyred before all mankind.

Even if doing so makes him look like bitchiest little gay bitch from Bitchtown, Bitchania.

The question is, does he honestly think he's pursuing an advantage here?

As for Brad damaging his career. That one is laughable. Sure the post child baring hags who rule Worldcon will have no use for him now. But that doesn't mean much unless your life's ambition is to win the Hugo.

Frankly, I think Torgersen would rather write a good book, than an award winning one.

If anything Sad Puppies has tremendously raised Brad's visibility. Particularly with the alternative right wing media. We may have known who he was but nobody else did. Self marketing means a lot more than it used to. You can't count on front shelf space at the bookstore to raise your brand value anymore.

If Barnes and Noble is still in business at all in ten years, it will be because they got of book selling business.

Anonymous rubberducky May 04, 2015 2:45 PM  

I found one good way to apologize to an SJW, however. Say this: "I microapologize."

Anonymous Anarchopurplism May 04, 2015 2:49 PM  

Scalzi routinely calls people "shitbags."

What about those folks with Crohn's disease or Colitis? Isn't it offensive enough that they need to carry around a bag for their own excrement?

Where are the pitchforks? Where is the outrage? Why hasn't someone been fired?

Anonymous Donn #0114 May 04, 2015 2:53 PM  

The only time anyone owes anyone a sex act is when your wife backs into your truck in the driveway. Maybe a whole weekend worth depending on the damage. Never man to man. Sorry BigGaySteve. Even your gay buddy would have to buy the beer while the two of you fixed the damage.

Anonymous Rabbi B (#0150) May 04, 2015 2:53 PM  

Wouldn't apologizing without consent be apology rape?

Blogger D. Lane May 04, 2015 3:01 PM  

Wouldn't apologizing without consent be apology rape?

Unlikely. That would only be the case of it were forceful.

Apologizing without consent is merely unsolicited attention seeking, a misdemeanor in most jurisdictions.

Blogger luagha May 04, 2015 3:02 PM  

Remember as well that being married with children is no determinant of whether someone is gay or not. Look at our President, for example.

#0199

Blogger Noah B #120 May 04, 2015 3:05 PM  

"Wouldn't apologizing without consent be apology rape?"

Difficult question. While it's absolutely clear that it would be rape of some kind, "apology rape" may not be the preferred nomenclature.

Blogger Markku May 04, 2015 3:06 PM  

"apology rape" may not be the preferred nomenclature

You sound like an apology rape apologist, Noah.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 04, 2015 3:07 PM  

I still have issues I'm struggling with. I admit it.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 04, 2015 3:17 PM  

All the moderates in these fights need to understand that the SJWs and their close allies (feminists, communists, etc.) hate them. They hate them and there is not a goddamn thing you can do to change that. Being a better person in this instance requires that you ignore them at the very least and to utterly destroy them at most.

Brad and others who think like him need to not give a damn about their opinions or ideas because they all stem from their personal hatred of themselves and humanity at large.

The apology only validated Scalzi's hatred of Sad Puppies. Don't validate hate.

Anonymous fish May 04, 2015 3:29 PM  

Lets see, there's MR CAPS LOCK'S more than slightly mannish-looking 'wife'.

Gay or not, I know where that rocket "landed" when those two got home.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 04, 2015 3:30 PM  

Scalzi may not be gay, but by all appearances he's missing a good chance...

He is too old and effeminate to be a catch.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 04, 2015 3:36 PM  

"He is too old and effeminate to be a catch."

Hear that Scalzi? REJECTED.

Blogger IM2L844 May 04, 2015 3:36 PM  

I repeat. You do not EVER apologize to SJWs. Did Jesus Christ apologize to the Pharisees for hurting their feelings?

SJWs certainly have a lot of Pharisaical tendencies.

Markku, I absolutely believe Scalzi might have closeted homosexual desires and there are plenty of valid reasons for thinking so. I see nothing to indicate that "Brad didn't in reality have reason to believe [Scalzi] might be homosexual." Brad's apology was a misguided reaction to perceptions, in my opinion.

Blogger JartStar May 04, 2015 3:39 PM  

Josh Whedon was bullied off from twitter by SJWs.

Blogger Markku May 04, 2015 3:40 PM  

Sure, but the way it is phrased, bisexuality is not enough, it needs to be homosexuality.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 04, 2015 3:46 PM  

Sure, but the way it is phrased, bisexuality is not enough, it needs to be homosexuality.

Meh. You either suck dick or you do not suck dick.

Blogger Corvinus May 04, 2015 3:46 PM  

Markku, I absolutely believe Scalzi might have closeted homosexual desires and there are plenty of valid reasons for thinking so.

Anybody who looks upon giving an award to a Bad Person as worse than gay sex has to swing that way at least to some extent.

That goes double if he cross-dresses.

-Minion #0333

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2015 3:50 PM  

>Gammas don't like women, while Alphas do.

Let x be the strength of feeling after a social interaction, where positive x indicates social acceptance and negative x indicates social rejection.

I speculate the following SSMV theorem: due to simple association through classical conditioning, the general disposition of a man toward the company of women will be proportional of the sum of his past interactions. The strength of these feelings is multiplied by 1) his sex drive D and 2) his impressionability I at the time of the interaction (which tends to be higher in puberty and lower at older, less impressionable ages).

So general disposition G = D*sum(x(i)*I(i), i=1, n).

I suspect this is also attenuated by accumulated general life experience which does not involve women. Hence, experience E is the ratio of female interactions to total interactions:

G = E*D*sum(x(i)*I(i), i=1, n).

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2015 3:51 PM  

Hmm, model breaks at D = 0 or E = 0. Needs work.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 04, 2015 4:01 PM  

Josh Whedon was bullied off from twitter by SJWs.

And he's still a feminist.

If the SJWs ever get power, he'll be the first to the chopping block, that's for sure. Followed by Frank Miller.

Anonymous What are your names, wayfarers? May 04, 2015 4:01 PM  

Me thinks Johnny protests too much. Torgersen's tweet says nothing about Scalzi being gay or liking men in any way.

Blogger Markku May 04, 2015 4:20 PM  

A little genderqueer, he is. That much is a given. That much is uncontroversial.

Blogger rcocean May 04, 2015 4:32 PM  

There was no insult because Scalzi doesn't consider being called Gay - or not liking women an insult. Accordingly, there was no need for Brad to apologize. And Christ doesn't require us to apologize for telling the truth or for not insulting people.

Scalzi's hatred and contempt for decent individuals like Brad is truly astounding. I knew the second Brad apologized Scalzi would throw it back in his face and do a little superiority dance.

And wasn't he just asking for peace and harmony and for all us to just stop all this fussing and fighting a few days ago?

Blogger rcocean May 04, 2015 4:35 PM  

Your typical SJW is full of hate and bitterness and it certainly comes out when they constantly refuse to accept apologies and use the apology as a club to inflict even further abuse.

Anonymous Konrad May 04, 2015 4:55 PM  

Scalzi acts like the guy who has fantasized about sex with men since adolescence but never had the opportunity or daring to act on it.

He's still hoping, however

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 04, 2015 5:02 PM  

He's still hoping, however

Oh, I expect he'll rufie himself in a gay bar someday

Anonymous tiredofitall May 04, 2015 5:14 PM  

"Gay or not, I know where that rocket "landed" when those two got home." - fish


Yep.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) May 04, 2015 5:23 PM  

So general disposition G = D*sum(x(i)*I(i), i=1, n).

Desire is not a constant, and would vary over time/event. It should be inside the sum function.

So sum(D(i) * x(i), i =1, n)

I don't think the E term looks right. Let non female interactions be denoted with y. Intuitively, it too could be integrated. These non-female interactions would be modified by a conversion factor F for how the individual translates non-female interactions into expectations for female interactions. It too would vary with each event. The equation would then look like

G = sum(D(i)*x(i), i=1, n) + sum(F(i)*y(i), i=1, m)

Anonymous Faceless Minion #104 May 04, 2015 5:24 PM  

Be Breitbart: when asked if he'd like to apologize to Shirley Sherrod, he replied, "For what?"

Blogger rcocean May 04, 2015 5:27 PM  

As for Scalzi's gayness. That love of wearing dresses and stuff about men "owing each other blowjobs" came from somewhere.

Blogger the bandit May 04, 2015 5:31 PM  

John Scalzi is a strange hermaphroditical type of creature with neither the sensibility and practicality of a woman, nor the fortitude and strength of man.

I feel like I recognize this as a quote from something, but I neither remember whence nor can I find it on Google!

Blogger the bandit May 04, 2015 5:34 PM  

I'm also remind of my favorite Coffee With Jesus strip.

Blogger JDC May 04, 2015 5:34 PM  

Torgersen's tweet says nothing about Scalzi being gay or liking men in any way.

To automatically assume that hating women = gay is homophobic, sexist, and Q'ist (Q'ist being discrimination against Q's, and the belief that non-Q's are superior to Q's).

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 04, 2015 5:59 PM  

phrased, bisexuality is not enough, it needs to be homosexuality. Don't forget the much more common cough.. GRRM BUYsexual.

Meh. You either suck dick or you do not suck dick. If Kevin DuJan is correct Bath House Barry only rented out his bottom to old white guys so if he didn't suck dick would that make him str8?

Anonymous RS May 04, 2015 6:09 PM  

Also, if I DID like men more than women, so what? That would be a perfectly good thing, nor would I be the slightest bit ashamed of it.
— John Scalzi (@scalzi) May 4, 2015


I think an honestly straight person would have used the term "instead of" rather than "more than".

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 04, 2015 6:13 PM  

From the last blue conversation: John Scalzi: "Um, yeah."
Big Gay Steve: "This can be arranged. I know a guy."
John Scalzi: "SQUEEEE!"

I am pretty sure I didn't post that. Was that an actual conversation? I have been logging in under name/url.

Blogger Eskyman May 04, 2015 6:13 PM  

rubberducky, I'm stealing that excellent quip:

I found one good way to apologize to an SJW, however. Say this: "I microapologize.

Now I just have to work on my "Bwahahahahah."

Annoyingly, it just isn't bloodcurdling enough.

-- EFM #0276

Blogger Salt #0008 May 04, 2015 6:28 PM  

RS, student of Freud.

Blogger luagha May 04, 2015 6:29 PM  

"Also, if I DID like men more than women, so what?"

From The Simpsons:

Marge: "He prefers the company of men!"

Homer: "Who doesn't?"

Blogger Derrick Bonsell May 04, 2015 6:33 PM  

Your blog, your rules, but Scalzi is a worm. I don't see him being so important.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell May 04, 2015 6:34 PM  

More appropriately, "your blog, your content."

Blogger VD May 04, 2015 6:58 PM  

Your blog, your rules, but Scalzi is a worm. I don't see him being so important.

He's not, in and of himself, but he is a primary symbol of SJWdom in SF.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 04, 2015 7:53 PM  

"Scalzi is a worm. I don't see him being so important"

He must have really angered Vox to get so much airtime here. I just finished Redshirts (started yesterday) after reading some criticism about it on this blog. It was a decent read... quite funny. Not sure that trotting him out as the whipping boy on regular basis really keeps things in perspective, though.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 04, 2015 7:56 PM  

When a cat plays with a mouse until long after the mouse has quite moving, is it because the mouse really angered the cat?

Anonymous Jake May 04, 2015 7:58 PM  

People on the left have regularly used "gay" as a slur. I've been called gay or closeted for a generation by leftists, always as an insult. Scalzi does believe if you insult him you need to be destroyed. He's shown that repeatedly, going back years. But he never takes on anyone who he thinks will hurt his book sales. Even among bullies, he's a punk.

Anonymous Jake May 04, 2015 8:03 PM  

There is nothing more valuable to a SJW than to be seen as a victim. Scalzi is a master at doing this. Guy has the whole world handed to him despite being (at best) a bad writer and he spends night and day finding any insult to make himself out of be Anne Frank. He's been doing that for years also and his sycophants eat it up.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 04, 2015 8:05 PM  

Does the cat analogy follow further? Does the cat then leave the mouse, go the garden, and cover its feces in dirt? Following a long, languorous licking of its paws?

Blogger Noah B #120 May 04, 2015 8:09 PM  

"Does the cat analogy follow further? Does the cat then leave the mouse, go the garden, and cover its feces in dirt?"

Close. Instead of the garden, it craps in Scalzi's lawn.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 04, 2015 8:09 PM  

Aeoli, don't conflate "desires" and "likes". Gammas ardently desire women. Often one woman in particular, while lusting after all women in general.

But Gammas do not like women. They don't really enjoy their company. Don't find them amusing and sensual to interact with.

The Gamma who learns to like women for what they is pretty near being an Alpha.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 04, 2015 8:10 PM  

should have been "like women for what they are is pretty near"

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 04, 2015 8:11 PM  

"Does the cat analogy follow further? Does the cat then leave the mouse, go the garden, and cover its feces in dirt? Following a long, languorous licking of its paws?"

Shut up, Gendelf.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 04, 2015 8:11 PM  

@Noah B

Lol @ Scalzi's lawn.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 04, 2015 8:13 PM  

Best place to crap in the Midwest.

Blogger Robert What? May 04, 2015 9:07 PM  

"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Well, someone had to say it.

Blogger Andrew Hill May 04, 2015 9:48 PM  

After the application of Malwyn’s spiked six whip I had a change of heart concerning Scalzi. I had considered our Supreme Dark Lord to be gilding the lily concerning his continued use of Scalzi as he had already demonstrated Johnny Con’s failures as a human being and a man.
However, after reconsideration and a proper education (Thank you, Mistress Malwyn!!), and having seen Scalzi and his cohorts behavior I now have no desire to see our Supreme Dark Lord and Master ever relent from his dark purpose.


All Hail Our Lord and Ruthless Leader, His Supreme Dark Majesty and Master of Shadows. Hail Vox Day!

#0262

Blogger rcocean May 04, 2015 9:58 PM  

Just read Myke Cole's attack on Brad Torgensen. Its takes SJW lying to a new level. Who knew a Jewish Tough guy and NYC cop could be such a left-wing liar.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 04, 2015 10:01 PM  

Looking at the tweets all I can see from Scalzi is disqualify over and over again. There's more than a bit of the mean girl style at work, combined with a little baby Maoism of the "self-crititcism session" type. Plus some not at all subtle threats, of the "Nice SF writer business you got here, be a shame if anything were to happen to it".

Of course the threat is hollow, given the realities of the changes in publishing. Everyone knows it, too.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 04, 2015 10:09 PM  

@rocean

I actually feel badly for Brad, because I do think he went into this with the best of intentions, and the backlash he's received is something he's not earned.

Worse, he's apparently being blamed for "badthink" because of perceived alliance with Vox. Like Larry, there's pressure to disavow Vox, which is not necessary (Brad need only answer for his own behavior).

Honestly, if the problem is Sad Puppies, then the problem is the Hugos themselves.

However, if the problem is Rabid Puppies (and I believe it is), then leave Brad alone and take it up with Vox. (And I'm not just saying that because I'm alone here taking the brunt of ilk for the past few days.)

I've started reading his book "Chaplain's War" today, and I hope to enjoy it, and be a strong supporter of Brad's for years to come.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 May 04, 2015 10:14 PM  

Scalzi is really an example of why it is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo May 04, 2015 11:24 PM  

I know this is late, but I have always found genuine apologies to be a distinctly masculine ideal and a sacred one at that. Those who don't understand their important function and honorable nature are either women, evil, or limp wristed non-men. This of course does not mean small things or children's actions. But real adult matters.

Think about it, I 've apologized sincerely three times in my life as an adult. Each and every time, the people I apologized too took it sincerely and the matter was closed. Two of them even commented later impressed they were to see that in this day. Sincere apologies stop feuds, even wars. Petty stuff that can lead to chaos. It is the mark of civilization that men can parlay over differences BEFORE fighting. And if it cannot be settled, then war commences to settle it.

It is not a game. It is not some ha-ha tool to bludgeon another with. You show your petty, immoral, and ignorant nature when you do not hold someone's sincere apology as sacrosanct. You are scum and the opposite of Christian.

When our side of the internet says these "people" are evil and virtually unfixable, this is exhibit A. They literally cannot see the pillars of society they are breaking down with their ignorance or sheer evil.

Anonymous rho May 05, 2015 12:58 AM  

File770 has become the Instapundit of SF/F.

From f770, I learned that:
To decrypt the plans, you must acquire the cryptographic key based on the distributions of the letters "V, X, D, and Y"* in the first thirty-three comments of each thread.
...snip...
* because not vowels, duh


Therefore, I adjudge that our host has achieved, however inadvertently, a theonym on the order of YHWH--namely, "VXDY".

(If this was intentional, Making Light commenters are really good at making meta jokes.)

Anonymous Daniel #0189 May 05, 2015 12:59 AM  

Hey...I'm minion 0189! Can I get a Hugo for that line? It is pretty funny.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 05, 2015 5:12 AM  

He may not be homosexual, but I'm sure that Scalzi is into pegging.

#328

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 05, 2015 5:27 AM  

Scalzi acts like the guy who has fantasized about sex with men since adolescence but never had the opportunity

Oh, trust me, he's had the opportunity.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 05, 2015 6:11 AM  

>Aeoli, don't conflate "desires" and "likes". Gammas ardently desire women. Often one woman in particular, while lusting after all women in general.

I didn't. "Likes" is G and "lusts after" is D.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 05, 2015 6:20 AM  

>Desire is not a constant, and would vary over time/event. It should be inside the sum function.

Yeah it varies, but if we include it inside the summation we're tacitly assuming it's lust in the moment of acceptance/rejection that matters, rather than sex drive in general. That's not a criticism, I can see how getting blueballed repeatedly could leave a mark. However, I think getting socially humiliated by women over time could be just as bad, even if the undertone of the situation is asexual.

>I don't think the E term looks right. Let non female interactions be denoted with y. Intuitively, it too could be integrated.

My intuition disagrees. I think we experience these things as non-continuous events which only blend when long-term memories are processed into weird, symbolic, mythical narratives.

>These non-female interactions would be modified by a conversion factor F for how the individual translates non-female interactions into expectations for female interactions. It too would vary with each event.

Yeah, I'll buy that. The E term was a very rough approximation.

Anonymous Anonymous May 05, 2015 8:24 AM  

Squeeee!!!

Blogger Mark Citadel May 05, 2015 10:43 AM  

This Scalzi guy is a complete ASSCLOWN. And yes, he probably is a sodomite if that pic of him in drag is anything to go by. Were we under the Reactionary State, he'd be in a dungeon where he belongs.

I notice GRRM is pretty silent now. I guess that second debate challenge knocked it out of him. Damn, his stories got crap fast.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) May 05, 2015 3:50 PM  

Yeah it varies, but if we include it inside the summation we're tacitly assuming it's lust in the moment of acceptance/rejection that matters, rather than sex drive in general. That's not a criticism, I can see how getting blueballed repeatedly could leave a mark. However, I think getting socially humiliated by women over time could be just as bad, even if the undertone of the situation is asexual.

Ah, so you're thinking more using current desire as a modifier for the general deposition, while I was thinking of desire at that point in time as part of the past experience. But my modifier could actually be absorbed into x(i).

Then I'd suggest using a logarithmic scale to measure desire, which will prevent D = 0.


My intuition disagrees. I think we experience these things as non-continuous events which only blend when long-term memories are processed into weird, symbolic, mythical narratives.

Just a first stab at improving the model. We're more than a reaction to our past experiences, after all. Stealing from EE's concept of the PID controller, we could break the general disposition into 3 parts:

Proportional - current perception of woman/women. (they're pretty; they're ugly; etc)
Integral - Sum of past experience of woman/women. (Some were nice; all were mean; etc)
Derivative - Future perception of woman/women. (They're going to be uglier; they'll finally see how awesome I am; etc)

Your sum function captures the I term, but leaves out P and D as factors.

Blogger Man. Cla. May 06, 2015 2:54 AM  

The word "girl" is not an insult, especially when you call a girl a "girl". But if you call a man a "girl", then it most certainly becomes an insult towards that man. Even if Scalzi wants to claim that there's nothing wrong with being gay, and I would not agree with him on that one, there is however something wrong with being gay for a heterosexual.

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