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Sunday, May 31, 2015

Sad Puppies can't be wrong

Not when the very worst writer in science fiction and fantasy opposes us:
Mercedes Lackey says:   
May 15, 2015 at 9:00 PM   

I’ve said it before in your blog and I’ll say it again. The Puppies of both orders picked the perfect name for themselves. Puppies piss and shit all over everything, they never stop whining and yapping, they destroy everything they get their teeth into and plenty of them are too damn dumb not to shit and piss in their own bed. And then lie in it.

And then they are shocked–SHOCKED!–when someone comes along, rubs their noses in it, and smacks them. And they’ll be even more shocked when someone lock them in their crate, or sends them to the pound.

See, one thing Larry (my husband Larry Dixon) and I have learned is that editors don’t appreciate trouble. Trouble doesn’t sell books. In the long run, trouble loses sales, in a business already precarious.

I’m going to predict that someone is going to be crated over this. If they are less lucky…someone’s going to be sent to the pound.
No wonder her hastily scribbled–5.5 per year on average according to Wikipedia–are so appallingly dreadful. The woman makes the logic-challenged Eric Flint look like a genius in comparison. I'd rather read John Scalzi's entire oeuvre twice than another Mercedes Lackey book. She's the anti-Tanith Lee; her works were among the first Pink SF works I noticed corrupting the genre. A year ago, I would have called her an Marion Zimmer Bradley-imitator who can't write, except that would be a bit harsh given the recent revelations of her predecessor's problematic pasttimes. And if I was as determined to unilaterally destroy the Hugos as the SJWs claim, RP's Best Novel category would have been as follows:
  • Closer to Home: Book One of Herald Spy by Mercedes Lackey
  • Bastion: Book Five of the Collegium Chronicles by Mercedes Lackey
  • Children of the Night (Diana Tregarde Investigation #2) by Mercedes Lackey
  • Steadfast (Elemental Masters #8) by Mercedes Lackey
  • Blood Red (Elemental Masters #9) by Mercedes Lackey
As to how shocked–SHOCKED!–we are by the behavior of the SJWs in science fiction, I will simply quote Martin van Creveld in The Changing Face of War.

"As Schlieffen himself had once written, for a great victory (what he called a "Cannae" to take place, it was necessary for the commanders on both sides to cooperate, each in his own way."

Let's just say their behavior shocked me about as much as the discovery that the sun rose again this morning. There are precisely four things that have surprised me about the SJW response to date:
  1. John Scalzi more or less keeping his mouth shut. Now we know why.
  2. Charles Stross attempting to doxx Castalia and his insane Finnish Nazi theories. I genuinely thought he was smarter than that.
  3. The public approval of Mary Kowal openly buying supporting memberships for other people. It's so hard to imagine anyone else making effective use of that tactic in the future.
  4. Popular Science being one of the publications in which they planted their hit stories. I knew from past experience they would plant hit pieces in the media. But that would not have been among the first 250 publications I would have guessed.
On the other hand, it is entirely unsurprising to see that Lackey is stupid enough to not realize that her prediction about Puppy-supporting authors suffering at the hands of their editors is additional testimony in support of our original contentions. And it's not the only testimony in this regard either. I rather enjoyed Brian Z's Stalinistic ritual denunciation under pressure:

"In case this might be misunderstood as an endorsement of that site moderator’s views or tactics, I denounce everything Vox Populi stands for." 

Do you, SJW, renounce the Supreme Dark Lord and all his works? And then there was Influxus's admission of what many SJWs are thinking, but most are sensible enough to deny in public:

Of course VD loves it because it perpetuates his narrative that the Sads are scape-goated by the SJWs of Fandom, when really the only person that most people want to get rid of is him.

Nearly everything the SJWs do tends to support that narrative. And while I may top the list, based on their behavior towards Larry Correia and Brad Torgersen and John C. Wright and Mike Resnick and Barry Malzberg and John Norman, I very much doubt I am the only troublesome individual of whom they wish to be rid. As for the pound, it is obvious that the SJWs of Fandom simply do not understand the relevant dynamic here....

UPDATE: Speaking of the Puppy narrative, further support for it from SJWs.
"I suspect that some of these sad and rabid folk will soon have to start writing under new pen names if they expect their work to survive the editorial sniff-test with most of today’s publishers."
This, of course, is the same thing Charles Stross was telling me 10 years ago. Submit to the SJW gatekeepers or be cast out. As for me and my House, we choose out.

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88 Comments:

Blogger Shimshon May 31, 2015 4:43 AM  

"But that would not have been among the first 250 publications I would have guessed."

That's a list I'd like to see!

Blogger VD May 31, 2015 4:47 AM  

The Guardian was #1.

Blogger Shimshon May 31, 2015 4:52 AM  

Vox, re #2, I'd like to bet you $1 that if you endorse Finland for the 2017 con (and it wins), SJWs will take up Stross' Finland-Castalia theory en banc. "Turn those machines back on!" indeed.

Blogger Markku May 31, 2015 4:58 AM  

Of course VD loves it because it perpetuates his narrative that the Sads are scape-goated by the SJWs of Fandom, when really the only person that most people want to get rid of is him.

See? See? You can be accepted despite your misguided escapade in Puppydom, if you only do this one little thing, if only you denounce Vox Day.

Come ooon... Will it hurt so much? This little, teeny weeny thing? Come oooon. We have cake for you.

Blogger Chad May 31, 2015 5:07 AM  

I'm just sad

Dragon singer was the first SF/F beyond chronicles of Narnia that made me read as a child. Those two and Tolkien were my formation.

Its easy, now, to remember why I withdrew from her writing. She wrote of cats in space, having sex with men (I think), and tried to relate it to dragons.

I just wanted dragons.

The refusal of such led me to crap like shannara series. Which led me to things like sword of truth and wheel of time. Not good or wholesome, but they got me by.

They don't realize their sales were from lack of options. Lackey was our lackey, till we found more. They think they left us behind, while we have shaken the dust from our sandals. They are unworthy to untie the throngs of the sandals of whom has come before them.

The truth is found wanting

Anonymous Stilicho May 31, 2015 5:11 AM  

If SJW doth prosper, none dare call it controversial... How dare those insolent pups challenge her opinions and, in doing so, make HER "controversial" in the eyes of editors.

Anonymous Stilicho May 31, 2015 5:15 AM  

I just wanted dragons

Well said. Worthy of being a puppy battle cry.

Blogger VD May 31, 2015 5:18 AM  

I'm just sad. Dragon singer was the first SF/F beyond chronicles of Narnia that made me read as a child. Those two and Tolkien were my formation.

Don't be sad. That's Anne McCaffrey, not Mercedes Lackey. Unlike Lackey, McCaffrey could actually write.

Anonymous Stilicho May 31, 2015 5:19 AM  

I propose a second rule of SJWs. In addition to SJWs always lie, I propose we add "SJWs always project".

Blogger SciVo May 31, 2015 5:43 AM  

If Mercedes Lackey really understood her own words, then she wouldn't have said them, due to being self-contradictory. I'm now tempted to go around reminding her fans of that gay Herald that was created just to save the nation by suiciding.

@VD: Don't be sad. That's Anne McCaffrey, not Mercedes Lackey. Unlike Lackey, McCaffrey could actually write.

I take it you haven't attempted to read the Acorna series. (To be fair, it was a collaboration.)

@Stilicho: I propose a second rule of SJWs. In addition to SJWs always lie, I propose we add "SJWs always project".

This is true.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 31, 2015 5:49 AM  

I suppose there is some merit to the argument that the Hugos as is represent a kind of quality.

After all Mercedes Lackey has never been nominated.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 31, 2015 5:51 AM  

She often refers to her various parrots as her "feathered children"

Oh my Gawwwd. Not even a cat lady...A Parrot Lady!!

Anonymous First Time For Everything May 31, 2015 6:37 AM  

Mercedes Lackey is probably the least talented writer I've ever read in SF/F. I gave her a chance, suffering through two of the three novels in a trilogy I bought, but by the third book I gave up. I had never done that before with any author or series until I encountered her books.

I do not consider myself a talented writer, but there is absolutely no point in reading an author whose novels are more juvenile than my own middle school writings. Literally.

Blogger Franz Lionheart May 31, 2015 6:49 AM  

Semi OT, this is linked further on below from Brian Z's 770 debasement which Vox linked in turn :

General rule when someone you dont know knocks on your door and says ‘I am not here to sell you anything’ they are here to sell you something. John is being alot more polite than I would be. Stuff like this is just annoying.

Hilarious, I was instantly reminded of Scalzi's own unsolicited letter to PNH back in the day to get his first novel on the publication stack; bypassing the sludge pile process, and how he himself hates people bypassing it, but it isn't even bypassing because of the embarrassing "online column" blather, and so on and so forth. What a spineless creature lacking consistency and integrity.

Anonymous Bz May 31, 2015 6:52 AM  

Lackey: (disturbing rant about actual puppies)

So, more of a cat lady then?

See, one thing Larry (my husband Larry Dixon) and I have learned is that editors don’t appreciate trouble. Trouble doesn’t sell books. In the long run, trouble loses sales, in a business already precarious.

I’m going to predict that someone is going to be crated over this. If they are less lucky…someone’s going to be sent to the pound.


Confirms what was clearly the fevered imaginations of the vile outsiders. Well then. But what about those who don't have publishers and hire their editors themselves?

The first Lackey series I saw was about an outcast young gay riding a unicorn for the queen while being bullied by the jock unicorn riders yet having immense talent discreetly recognized by the top of society, or something to that effect. Utter homo cliché in other words; paint the rainbow by numbers. Perhaps Lackey thus was the modest groundswell of that disappointing Pink Wave. I own a lot of SF but without me really thinking about it, she's never made it into the shelves.

Blogger Nameless Minion #58710 May 31, 2015 6:55 AM  

I propose a second rule of SJWs. In addition to SJWs always lie, I propose we add "SJWs always project".

That makes me think of a comment I read once that said "Liberals project so much that if the liberals said the conservatives were eating people, I'd automatically think OMG, the liberals are cannibals!" could just as easily be changed to SJWs.

Blogger Jack Ward May 31, 2015 7:18 AM  

I enjoyed the Dragonrider series; the seven books. After that, not so much. I wish she had had the Riders meet up with the Federation and saved their bacon in that desperate war they were in; using the Dragons special powers.

Finished Three Body Problem. Its still best novel. With the authors end word I found that there are two more volumes to Three Body. Now to find them.

So, one of my goals is to be sure Rolf gets the Campbell aware for best new writer. Then, with his repub of The Stars Came Back be sure he gets best novel next year at the Hugos [if that book deserves it, of course]

Blogger epobirs May 31, 2015 7:27 AM  

It appears some people just can't wrap their heads around how the world has changed in their lifetimes. Kind of separates the serious SF writers from the writers who just use it as an excuse for magic.

Make trouble and Big Five editors won't want to work with you? So what? It's 2015 and there are self-published and small imprint published authors pulling down six and seven figure annual grosses with nets unheard of for the majority of Big Five published writers. Not everybody can do this but you can be published by the Big five and starve to death if you don't have a regular job.

In other words, that threat has no power anymore. For the major talents it never did.

Blogger SciVo May 31, 2015 7:31 AM  

@Nameless Minion #58710: That makes me think of a comment I read once that said "Liberals project so much that if the liberals said the conservatives were eating people, I'd automatically think OMG, the liberals are cannibals!" could just as easily be changed to SJWs.

They actually use it as a strategy sometimes, to make a false equivalence when they're eventually called out on what they're doing: the projection strategy. But they also do a lot that seems to be unconscious.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 31, 2015 7:35 AM  

It is utterly ridiculous of you to think that publishers are acting as gatekeepers who prevent the publishing of work which has a political viewpoint with which they disagree, but when it happens to you you will totally deserver it.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 31, 2015 7:36 AM  

It is utterly ridiculous of you to think that publishers are acting as gatekeepers who prevent the publishing of work which has a political viewpoint with which they disagree, but when it happens to you you will totally deserver it.

Blogger epobirs May 31, 2015 7:36 AM  

I'll be disappointed if Three Body Problem doesn't get the rocketship. It is the only nominee I've read so far that reminded me of why the genre has loomed so large in my life. I'm nearly finished with the first volume of the series containing Ann Leckie's nominee and well, it's kind of boring. And annoying. If you want to have a genderless language assign some new pronouns. Don't take a set of pronouns from the reader's (likely) native tongue and try to make it mean something else. It isn't clever, it's just obnoxious. Also, if you're going to have a bunch of odd societal bugaboos given a lot of weight in the story, it might make the story more, you know, interesting if there was ever a reason given for how things got that way. That is, after all, a core trait of SF. Without it, you've just made things odd solely for the sake of oddness. It's world building on the cheap, which is fine for a low budget movie but a novel shouldn't suffer such limits.

Anonymous Walter Sobchak May 31, 2015 7:45 AM  

I’m going to predict that someone is going to be crated over this. If they are less lucky…someone’s going to be sent to the pound.

Dear Mr. Dixon

This is what you get, Larry when you $*%* a strange woman in the ass.
This.is.what. you. get.

Blogger JACIII May 31, 2015 7:56 AM  

You'll never work in this town again!

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 31, 2015 8:06 AM  

I mean come on... My dogs have never acted like that. Who are these people?

Even little puppies scare this yapping bitch.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 31, 2015 8:12 AM  

Mercedes Lackey...I realized why that name sounded familiar. You see her books in thrift stores a lot. Usually, they're in pristine condition.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 May 31, 2015 8:23 AM  

> I propose a second rule of SJWs. In addition to SJWs always lie, I propose we add "SJWs always project".

Also, EsJayDubyas don't know when to shut. up.

Anonymous Quartermaster May 31, 2015 8:27 AM  

"I propose a second rule of SJWs. In addition to SJWs always lie, I propose we add "SJWs always project"."

Excellent suggestion. You see it in everything SJWs do, not just SF/F.

Blogger Matt #0083 May 31, 2015 9:01 AM  

>>I suppose there is some merit to the argument that >>the Hugos as is represent a kind of quality

I don't think her lack of nominations reflects a judgment of the actual quality of her works at all - it just reflects two Marxist rules of the elitist literary fiction world that the Pinks aspire to:

1) Large quantity of output produced quickly is automatically presumed to be of lower quality. See the Labor Theory of Value.
2) Making money is eeeeeevil.

Blogger Matt #0083 May 31, 2015 9:05 AM  

She clearly knows nothing about actual puppies. Crate training is effective precisely because they *don't* like to lay where they eliminate.

Moron.

Blogger overcaffeinated May 31, 2015 9:14 AM  

Not to be pedantic, but that last comment you linked has "Here, here," rather than "hear, hear." Not a huge deal, but just one of those things that people who make a big deal about being smarter and better educated than everyone else should probably try to avoid. Reminds me of a SJW article I read on how those stupid, stupid Americans confused a Latin motto with Latin America. The title of the article had the wrong gender for the word for "Latin" in Latin.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 31, 2015 9:21 AM  

"business is precarious" why dat? The Left is a top down organization if you can call it that, someone of some talent writes a script and the rest of the cult cribs it, well someone then has been on vacation, maybe died for all I know.

Blogger VD May 31, 2015 9:23 AM  

Stop cyberstalking, Obvious. You've been repeatedly warned about your long-time harassment of this blog.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 31, 2015 9:32 AM  

Nos iustus volo dracones

Blogger VD May 31, 2015 9:34 AM  

There will be consequences, Obvious. Andrew Marston was striking the same sort of you-can't-touch me posture right up until I spoke to the place he volunteered and he was dragged into the police station.

Blogger Corvinus May 31, 2015 9:49 AM  

As for that puppy with the cold blue eyes, imagine him with a Russian accent for maximum effect.

Blogger John May 31, 2015 9:49 AM  

Bad housebreaking technique, anyway. Puppies have no clue re: rubbing their nose in it, unless done immediately. It just confuses them, and serves no little to no training value. Crate training and positive training (clicker or treat when they 'go' in the correct area) is generally superior.

So, she's ignorant about dogs, and likes parrots. That probably qualifies her as insane. Sadly, therefore, I must now discount everything she says or writes. Que lastima.

Blogger Dexter May 31, 2015 9:53 AM  

I propose a second rule of SJWs. In addition to SJWs always lie, I propose we add "SJWs always project".

Projection is, of course, a form of lying - i.e., falsely attributing a motive to you.

Blogger Harsh May 31, 2015 10:07 AM  

I suppose then the rabbits won't complain when we take over the SF publishing industry and won't let them play. Right? Right?

Blogger Harsh May 31, 2015 10:10 AM  

It is utterly ridiculous of you to think that publishers are acting as gatekeepers who prevent the publishing of work which has a political viewpoint with which they disagree, but when it happens to you you will totally deserver it.

So there's no blacklist but when Vox gets put on the blacklist, he'll deserve it? I guess I'm not following your logic.

And what kind of name is Winkleheimer? Sounds made up.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 31, 2015 10:12 AM  

Nos iustus volo dracones

People called Romanes, they go the house?

I submit "Dracones tantum cupivi." (To change from I to We, make it "cupivimus." And "just" could be translated as "solum" or "modo," but I like "tantum" here because it also has the meaning "so much.")

Blogger Harsh May 31, 2015 10:13 AM  

You can be accepted despite your misguided escapade in Puppydom, if you only do this one little thing, if only you denounce Vox Day.

I denounced Vox to my friends and the next day I broke out in boils. True story.

Blogger slarrow May 31, 2015 10:14 AM  

Harsh, I think "not following your logic" is the point.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 31, 2015 10:34 AM  

People called Romanes, they go the house?

Thanks.

Aside from a few words and notable phrases, my latin begins and ends with googletranslate. Shall I start writing the proper conjugation on the wall 100 times?

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 31, 2015 10:38 AM  

I denounced Vox to my friends and the next day I broke out in boils. True story.

If you type his name 3 times on your blog while wearing your wife's prom dress, he'll appear and expose your blog traffic to the world... best not to mention him by name...

Blogger Russell (106) May 31, 2015 10:53 AM  

Best $40 I've ever spent. The entertainment value just keeps going up. And I haven't finished the packet yet.

Anonymous Heaviside May 31, 2015 10:56 AM  

>insane Finnish Nazi theories

I like where this is going.

https://i.imgur.com/ksQCx2S.gif

Blogger automatthew May 31, 2015 10:56 AM  

"And what kind of name is Winkleheimer? Sounds made up."

Probably Amish. Maybe Eskimaux.

OpenID pancakeloach May 31, 2015 11:47 AM  

I've always considered Mercedes Lackey basically a fantasy-flavored romance writer. Very few of her works don't involve the protagonists' sex lives. (Someday she's going to share the SJW chopping block with Heinlein for being a hetero woman "culturally appropriating" gays for some of those romances.)

Isn't she also the reason "wereseal romance" is a joke? Or does that joke actually predate Home from the Sea?

OpenID mattse001 May 31, 2015 11:54 AM  

4. Popular Science being one of the publications in which they planted their hit stories.

This surprises me. There's been a noticeable SJW presence in these "popular" magazines for a while now. Popular Science, Popular Mechanics, Scientific American, etc...
It's entryism all the way down; which isn't surprising considering they all draw from the same poisoned well that is American higher education.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 31, 2015 12:03 PM  

I'm now tempted to go around reminding her fans of that gay Herald that was created just to save the nation by suiciding.

I recall she made one gay character kill his boyfriend because he was evil.

Dear Mr. Dixon Its not too late you can divorce her and get someone feminine or go the Arsenic and old lace route.

Best $40 I've ever spent. The entertainment value just keeps going up. And I haven't finished the packet yet.

Even without the works it is an all you can eat schadenfreude buffet. The only buffet GRapeRapeMartin avoids.

Blogger Brad Andrews May 31, 2015 12:36 PM  

I missed the fact that "sponsoring" others for voting was now allowed. Did they not consider that some of us have enough spare income to do so? Add that up a few times and it can be quite significant.

My wife may have just decided to vote next year....

Blogger Danby May 31, 2015 12:37 PM  

Wow! just ... wow.

Her idea of an argument is "Editors will reject your books!" Cause Tor totally doesn't run a racket to promote what they want in the Hugos, and there is no social control exercised in SciFi publishing, and there is no bias against people who don't toe the SJW line.

Aside: My wife told me I shouldn't read Vox Popoli, and a week later she was diagnosed with cancer.

Blogger Danby May 31, 2015 12:38 PM  

Is that Tom Kratman's dog?

Anonymous Donn #0114 May 31, 2015 12:45 PM  

While there is nothing wrong with a Siberian Husky (we had one growing up as a boy). Tom Kratman's dog is either a (white) Doberman or something like a Bullmastiff.

Anonymous pseudotsuga* May 31, 2015 1:00 PM  

Lackey was a "filker" first, which is where she gained the popularity that her publishing company banked on.
(For a quick rundown on filk, in case the term is new to you: look it up on Wikipedia--yes, yes, I know it's Leftopedia, but in this case it's actually correct.)
I first learned about filk in the 80s and 90s. Some of it was good quality stuff, with decent music and lyrics.The rest of it was good-think true-fan posturing. Seeing how much 'squeeing' there was about Lackey back in "the day," I knew that her books weren't for me. I've never read any of her books.
Filkers are double the SJW -- Most filk depends heavily upon post-modern style in-group / true-fan references or tropes (because so much of what they do is derivative rather than original--think Redshirts set to music and sung by a guitarist), and snark as commentary.
Filk music is also the child of 60's style leftist "folk" music (socially aware, socialist causes, etc. like Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, and so on). Scratch a filker, and you will most often come up with a leftist (and don't forget to wipe the cat-hairs off...your average filk singer apparently LOVES the kitties.)
Lackey truly is projecting: there is practically no political filk that is not leftist. She would argue that it is because "those" types of filkers are bad people, and their work is bad-think. If she were asked, I predict that she would deny that the gate-keeping is strong in the filk community, the small "industry" and conventions.

Blogger maniacprovost May 31, 2015 1:06 PM  

The public approval of Mary Kowal openly buying supporting memberships for other people. It's so hard to imagine anyone else making effective use of that tactic in the future.

It's a terrible tactic! Why anyone, no matter how vile or faceless, could apply for her scholarship.

Blogger maniacprovost May 31, 2015 1:10 PM  

Lackey's "The Black Gryphon" was all right. However it appears to have been cowritten by her husband.

Anonymous pseudotsuga* May 31, 2015 1:18 PM  

I also mention, for the edification of the Vile Minions, that both Seanan McGuire and Cat Faber are Pegasus Award-winning Filkers. Faber I have seen posting on Brad Torgerson's blog, criticizing Puppies.

Anonymous Ain May 31, 2015 1:24 PM  

"See, one thing Larry (my husband Larry Dixon) and I have learned is that editors don’t appreciate trouble. Trouble doesn’t sell books. In the long run, trouble loses sales, in a business already precarious."

One is hard-pressed to find evidence that they know of this.

Blogger rcocean May 31, 2015 1:38 PM  

What is it with SJW's and shit? They seem positively obsessed with the anus and excrement.

Blogger luagha May 31, 2015 1:54 PM  

I'm an old friend of Mercedes Lackey and so I know her background and where she's coming from. She was a certain kind of liberal at a certain time when a certain kind of liberalism, more the classical liberalism, was useful in preventing abuse of the kind she suffered.

Her books are definitely fantasy romances.

But the pendulum has swung the other way and now the progressives have taken over anything called liberalism and are the abusers and she hasn't figured that out. Or wanted to - I know how smart she is in terms of IQ but as we've discussed here, you can be very smart but still make the wrong emotional choices. As Churchill and many others have said, you're supposed to grow up and use your brain.

This whole thing is doubly funny because back in the day (In around 1992-2000 when I knew her better) one talk that she would give is just how little money it would take to buy the Hugo and how she decided it wasn't worth her time. I mean, this exact topic right here.


Blogger kh123 May 31, 2015 1:57 PM  

...And the evil cackling on this side of the internet continues. These posts, I tell you. My inner Japanese businessman all the while repeating "I rike you. You make ah me raff."

Am almost thinking this is part of a Pavlovian test, as a punishme... response to the previous comment about not being a minion. Though, if posts like these keep up I may have to atone. I do have a number rather than a name, take note. And I do delight in Elder of Zion-type fashion when the blood of fresh SJWs is drawn on the graveyard altar - it is cruel and precise yet anything but libel.


"So, she's ignorant about dogs, and likes parrots. That probably qualifies her as insane."

Anyone who allows an animal to shit freely all over their shoulder, most likely.

Blogger ScuzzaMan May 31, 2015 1:59 PM  

I love that line from Rorschach. The perfect occasion for it.

Keep feeding them rope ...

Blogger luagha May 31, 2015 2:03 PM  

As for the parrots, Mercedes Lackey does professional bird rehabilitiation. She takes in injured falcons, hawks, and so forth (usually those who descend to feed on roadkill and get hit by cars) and returns them to the wild. She also rehabs various pet birds with various pet bird troubles.

I have come to be of the belief that certain people are gifted by God to greater or lesser degrees either with certain animal types or with all animals. Steve Irwin was said to be skilled with all animals in this way (and he knew what would likely happen to him). And seeing Mercedes Lackey work with various birds and seeing how said birds responded to other people and situations is one of the things which cemented this belief.

Blogger Achillea May 31, 2015 2:59 PM  

I'm now tempted to go around reminding her fans of that gay Herald that was created just to save the nation by suiciding.

I recall she made one gay character kill his boyfriend because he was evil.


There's also the fact that the least metrosexual character I ever saw her write was Aberich of Karse, and that's the one she shipped her obvious self-insert with.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) May 31, 2015 3:46 PM  

@ pseudotsuga

There is some pretty decent Filk - Pournelle references some songs in "Fallen Angels" that I still enjoy - especially "Fire in the Sky" (available online)

http://www.prometheus-music.com/eli/virtual.html

On the dogs front - OK. I'm far more dog person that cat, though the one cat I had was FAR more perceptive than me about my nut job Ex (I'm not proud of that). How can anyone, no matter HOW ignorant of dogs, not know that puppies are not like that? What kind of awful person so thoroughly hates dogs to think so little of them, or to consider that others don't find them so awful a burden?

THAT quote tells me far more about her, and paints her far worse, than a comment I heard when Lackey was mentioned in terms of fan interactions, and terms like high-strung, and "over-sensitive" were mentioned.

Blogger VD May 31, 2015 4:27 PM  

And seeing Mercedes Lackey work with various birds and seeing how said birds responded to other people and situations is one of the things which cemented this belief.

That's great. More power to her in that regard. But she does not have a gift for writing or storytelling.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 31, 2015 4:33 PM  

Misty Lackey should know better.

I know she has some Blue D.N.A. in there under her need for Leftist "feel goods" I can see it in her early work of which I was something of a fan back in the day when I could stomach such fare . They were for most part medium mauve more than pink,

The biggest "not getting it" is how she and the others don't understand is that their publishers are not essentially or the only game in town and really they need people like us who read than we need them.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 31, 2015 4:46 PM  

To what Achillea said. I quite like Vaneyel , the gay character.

He wasn't terribly realistic and was essentially a person selected by divine magic for honesty and near pathological altruism like the rest of the Heralds

Another thing that will enrage the SJW's is how non predatory sexually he was, he was an anti-chickenhawk which I found refreshing.

Even her "ideal nation" of Valedmar has a minimalist state that behaves pretty soundly, for example not mass importing hostile groups tot he same lands , not suppressing the local Christian or other local tradition analogs and while it encourages the official imperial "leftist" shibboleth does little about it.

Heck it only requires a grade school education for its citizens knowing full well the resources aren't there to do more.

Despite all that the kingdom is only held together, barely by divine providence and an incorruptible political class and police.

Its weirdly blue for all its pink trappings.

Now Lackey isn't brilliant as a writer but in her genre of Romantic Fantasy she can turn a decent yarn which is all I can ask for. Its too bad she lets the vile-prog bunk go to her head.

Its understandable as just as luagha said she is a product of her era and mal-education but its a bit sad since she has the potential to do much better.

Blogger Achillea May 31, 2015 5:02 PM  

To what Achillea said. I quite like Vaneyel , the gay character.

My main problem with Vanyel was his constant whining. I was tired of Tylendel is deeeeaaaaad! after the third or fourth time he angsted about it. By the third book and the 3,652nd iteration I was ready to beat him to death with the headstone.

Blogger Cee May 31, 2015 6:52 PM  

(Someday she's going to share the SJW chopping block with Heinlein for being a hetero woman "culturally appropriating" gays for some of those romances.)
Or they'll notice that she has a serious case of killing off all her gay characters. At least in the universe she's co-writing with James Mallory, they're all ending up dead sometime shortly after it's revealed they're gay. (Gay couple among the desert people in the Phoenix series? Wander off to die together. Gay elf in the Unicorn Throne series? Goes off to die bravely after writing a note to his lover. Etc.)

Also a not-insignificant number of her villains are depraved bisexuals, which I personally find pretty hilarious. It's okay to be gay but if you play for both teams you are a terrible monster who probably tortures people.

But yeah seconding A.B. Prosper. She's got Blue genes under the Pink social signalling. It's sad she's letting the social signalling overwhelm her storytelling.

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 31, 2015 7:20 PM  

One of her books ends with the hero being Sigma, I'd say. He's the son of a war god, and decides at seventeen to join the USMC. The other more liberal character is 'I won't pray for you, but for yourenemies, for they will surely need it."

And then there was Southern good ol' boy/scary powerful ghost who when the local ghost whisperer was almost panicked, turned from his rage, and said 'well....shooot'. And chilled out.

So, one USMC kid, and one good ol' boy, both heroic.....

Blogger luagha May 31, 2015 7:26 PM  

"That's great. More power to her in that regard. But she does not have a gift for writing or storytelling."

You will note that VFM #199 does not engage with this statement. :)

I haven't read any of her work in a long time.

If I wish to be faithful, I should pick up some of her recentish superhero work. I know she enjoyed it, and that might have inspired her.

Anonymous The other robot May 31, 2015 7:55 PM  

When will there be more stuff from Castalia? I want to support it the best way possible: With my money!

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 May 31, 2015 8:16 PM  

I used to frequent a writing board heavily dominated by prog-tards. The appeal to "watch out for your career" was a pretty common one among the ladies there. To be fair, a few of them HAD careers, but it was ludicrous to see it picked up by people who never managed to finish a story, let alone submitted one, bleating about "what's good for my career!"

There's a deeper connection to the prog-tard pose, they are appeals to conformity. The SJW poses as a rebel while sticking to fairly safe, if obnoxious, platitudes. "Don't say things that might hurt your career" goes hand in hand with "All reasonable people agree that you dudebros are racist and sexist for disliking Obamacare."

Anonymous VFM.0157 aka Forrest Bishop May 31, 2015 9:49 PM  

"There are precisely four things that have surprised me about the SJW response to date:

1. John Scalzi more or less keeping his mouth shut. Now we know why." -VD

Why did he keep his mouth shut? So as not to jinx the Tor deal?

"2. Charles Stross attempting to doxx Castalia and his insane Finnish Nazi theories. I genuinely thought he was smarter than that."

Ok, Stross has clearly gone off the reservation here, and straight over to libel land. I've always smelled that peculiar stench of SJW on him anyways but this behavior is indeed surprising. Forgot his meds that day?

"3. The public approval of Mary Kowal openly buying supporting memberships for other people. It's so hard to imagine anyone else making effective use of that tactic in the future."

It was a stupid move on her part, but why should the stupidity be surprising? Thanks for the ammo, Kowal!

"4. Popular Science being one of the publications in which they planted their hit stories. I knew from past experience they would plant hit pieces in the media. But that would not have been among the first 250 publications I would have guessed."

It should not have been a surprise. PS/PM still have a readership of several million which heavily intersects with SFF readers, I'm guessing. PM did a nasty, lying, 9/11 hit piece authored by Chertoff's cousin- they're not above putting out disinformation. SJW's have long since infected these rags as well, along with the incredible shrinking (not)Scientific (not)American. (On a linear extrapolation, we can expect the latter to be reduced to single-syllable words by 2025 and to duckspeak by 2035.)

Anonymous VFM.0157 aka Forrest Bishop May 31, 2015 9:55 PM  

Correction for reading comprehension-

"3. The public approval of Mary Kowal openly buying supporting memberships for other people. It's so hard to imagine anyone else making effective use of that tactic in the future."-VD

It was a stupid move on her part, but why should the stupidity be surprising? Thanks for the ammo, Kowal!-FB

VD is saying the public approval is what is surprising, not Kowals' gambit per se. But ordinary doublethink can explain that.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 01, 2015 12:31 AM  

Locked in a crate and put down is a distraction.

How embarrassing for amazon during or in what sjw are pulling, sjw antics are very tiresome.

Blogger Markku June 01, 2015 3:37 AM  

Had he only said "Could there be a connection..." it would have been kosher. Smarmy, but kosher.

But then he says: "Over a period of years, he's built an international coalition, finding common cause with the European neo-nazi fringe. Now they've attempted to turn the Hugo Awards into a battlefield in their (American) culture wars." This makes it clear that the question is intended as rhetorical, and that it is indeed taken to be as truth that Castalia House is owned by neo-nazis.

Not kosher.

Blogger Markku June 01, 2015 3:46 AM  

It is especially stupid to make such a statement while living in England, of all places.

Blogger Hank Brown June 01, 2015 7:06 AM  

Didn't have time to read through all the comments, so forgive me if somebody beat me to it, but...

Spoken like a true lackey, Mercedes.

Anonymous Tom June 01, 2015 9:10 AM  

In response to the original post, "Yeeeaaaaay!"

The existence of Castalia House and Amazon are the reasons that I seriously started working on my Fantasy novel that I am almost done with. Only 5 or so more chapters for 30 to write and then a couple of editorial overlooks and spots to rewrite!

Anonymous Brian Z June 01, 2015 9:51 PM  

Since Vox Popoli is not for the lily-livered, I debated whether I should let sleeping minions lie or come and face up to my debasement.

My full comment was:

In case this might be misunderstood as an endorsement of that site moderator’s views or tactics, I denounce everything Vox Populi stands for. With that out of the way, I just read the link Mike gave earlier. In addition to the (expected) gratuitous remarks lobbed at each other, me (good lord) and others, I noticed that the 12 angry pirates, or 300 vile weasels, or whatever they are, are having a discussion about a classic science fiction story, what makes it great and what the message is.

To paraphrase my second-favorite million-dollar author: “Oh Noes!” Maybe we should be careful what we wish for.


So. The moderator here has views and tactics I do not agree with, but I have no wish to cleanse the genre of his brimstone stench. I checked out the link and saw a band of buccaneers having a great conversation about a story. To say that I must get the denouncing part of the way before commending your taste in literature is to complain about how so much as mentioning Vox Day tangentially clouds so many minds. It does not mean I denounce the denizens of this blog. Nor do I believe that fandom Stalinistically requires one to do so. Though, if File 770's JJ read the part here where I was called an SJW, it might have made his head explode.

Reading recent threads here, I enjoyed your ideas and reminiscences about genre fiction - and your filking. Thank you.

Blogger Markku June 02, 2015 4:06 AM  

To say that I must get the denouncing part of the way before commending your taste in literature is to complain about how so much as mentioning Vox Day tangentially clouds so many minds.

Sounds credible. I'm certainly no stranger to this particular impulse.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 02, 2015 9:37 AM  

She's actually a boxer my daughter bought for me. Yes, I am very partial to boxers.

Anonymous Brian Z June 02, 2015 10:52 AM  

The Boxer Uprising

OpenID ymarsakar June 04, 2015 1:31 PM  

It's a mini kratman, until the eyes change colors at least.

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