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Sunday, May 10, 2015

SJW summarizes SJWism

At File 770:
Gully Foyle on May 10, 2015 at 9:52 am said:
Dynamo, just shut it. Tolerance does not demand that one tolerate the intolerant. The open minded need not embrace those that would destroy their society.
Tolerance does not demand toleration. Inclusivity justifies exclusion. Did Orwell have them pegged or what? Black is white. War is peace. We have always been at war with Eastasia. And notice the claim that it is "their society". Not ours. Not the moderates. The SJWs.

CrisisEraDynamo's response was very good:
Now we get to the heart of the matter. Define everything you don’t like as “intolerance” and poof! No silencing, even when boldly declaring there’s no place for dissenters.

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82 Comments:

Blogger Salt May 10, 2015 3:38 PM  

"Tolerance does not demand that one tolerate the intolerant." That's fine if that's how they want to play it. I can play by those rules too. No reason to drag it out either. Now, where's that damn gas can?

Anonymous p-dawg May 10, 2015 3:40 PM  

A guy commenting with the handle Gully Foyle? What, he wants to be like that guy? That's insane. And he's talking about tolerance? While sporting the moniker of a guy whose catchphrase was, "I'll kill you filthy!" I believe the phrase is, "Wow. Just wow."

Anonymous Quartermaster May 10, 2015 3:48 PM  

Intolerance is tolerance. SJWs lie. SJWs always lie.

Blogger Harsh May 10, 2015 3:56 PM  

The open minded need not embrace those that would destroy their society.

(laughs) A true statement but he doesn't realize the irony of his words.

Blogger wrf3 May 10, 2015 3:57 PM  

In another thread, Vox wrote: ... Ellisonian concept of SF being a place where dangerous ideas are welcome again.

In the short story "Eutopia", in the "Dangerous Visions" anthology, Poul Anderson wrote:

We may love as we please, but not hate as we please. So are we more free than [other men]?"

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 10, 2015 3:59 PM  

VD,

Tolerance does not demand toleration.

Let's drop the rhetoric.

Tolerance of many and much as a virtue does not demand tolerance of everything and all, let alone tolerance of those who don't value broad toleration, but broad intolerance, as a virtue.

Blogger SirThermite May 10, 2015 4:05 PM  

Tolerance for me and mine, but not for thee and thine. SJWs are just a beheading away from displaying the same tolerance as ISIS.

Blogger SirThermite May 10, 2015 4:07 PM  

^ Rhetorically speaking, of course

Blogger Harsh May 10, 2015 4:14 PM  

I still think NorthernHamlet is going full Owen on us. Mark my words, he'll be arguing word definitions before long.

Blogger Zimri May 10, 2015 4:14 PM  

It's not his mind that is open; it's his butt, and his mind is firmly implanted therein.

When he extracts his head, he'll figure out that intolerance is inevitable and that a purely open mind is impossible. What matters is what you choose to tolerate in life.

Blogger Sam Hall May 10, 2015 4:15 PM  

Remember, the SJWs have changed the definition of "tolerance" from acceptance to approval.

Anonymous dagenhamblonde May 10, 2015 4:19 PM  

Not just approval, active cheerleading. If you don't think it's just the greatest thing in the world to teach kids that intentionally trying to contract HIV in a gangbang because you identify as Aidskin is as valid a lifestyle choice, nay a superior lifestyle choice to being a heterosexual breeder and having children whose cis white resource consumption will only add to the global warming catastrophe, then you might as well change your name to George Lincoln Rockwell.

Blogger ScuzzaMan May 10, 2015 4:20 PM  

"Define everything you don’t like as “intolerance” and poof! No silencing, even when boldly declaring there’s no place for dissenters."

It's different when WE do it!

Well, no it isn't.

Not in this case, not in any case.

Sadly, SJW's are not the only people who could do with learning this lesson.

Anonymous Difster May 10, 2015 4:26 PM  

Every once in a while, someone will tell me to my face, "You're not very open minded."
And my reply is, "Of course I'm not open minded. Why would I want to be?"

I usually get nothing but stammering after that because they don't expect resistance, they expect supplication.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 10, 2015 4:33 PM  

Difster, I take the opposite tack.

"Yes, I am. You are the one who is provably closed-minded"

Then I proceed to explain the theories of Velikovsky and defend the existence of Sasquatch.

I haven't won any converts yet, but I have loads of fun.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 10, 2015 4:34 PM  

These days, "open-minded" is as much a lying designation as "skeptic" is. Skeptics are those who reliably defend the mainstream explanation for everything.

Anonymous tiredofitall May 10, 2015 4:35 PM  

"Remember, the SJWs have changed the definition of "tolerance" from acceptance to approval." - Sam Hall

Hell it's worse than that, tolerance used to mean you'd put up with the behavior/beliefs of others. Then the PC crowd changed it to mean acceptance, and now the SJWs are pushing it to mean outright acceptance.

Blogger SirThermite May 10, 2015 4:38 PM  

@ NorthernHamlet

It's the SJWs, not us, who have proclaimed tolerance to be the greatest virtue, so why not hoist them on their own petard? And I don't "value broad broad intolerance a virtue," nor to I think many other readers here do. I value the truth. The truth is that political correctness is B.S. and sometimes there are reasons for intolerance, just sometimes there are reasons for war. Mr. Foyle might as well have said "Pacifism does not demand pacifism towards those who aren't pacifists." Well, I've never boasted about being tolerant or about being a pacifist.

How many SJWs would say that BDSM is an acceptable lifestyle, while claiming that a submissive stay-at-home mom is a threat to their vision for society? Show them no mercy.

Anonymous EH May 10, 2015 4:41 PM  

Good stuff, but there are some likely crucial battles going on now that I wish you'd join:
trans-Pacific trade treaty;
moves to outlaw cash (facilitated by negative interest rates);
moves toward war with Russia and related government / bank / energy industry duplicity in Ukraine, Greece, Syria, Iran;
and perhaps this promising young scandal: "CIA Drug money scandal engulfs White House, Congress"

Anonymous Anonymous May 10, 2015 4:45 PM  

Tolerance marks the time period between when something offends you and when you reject the source of the offense. The funny part with SJWs is that they'll argue what they claim to tolerate does not offend them. Shhhhhh, they even lie to themselves. It's the only way.

Blogger kh123 May 10, 2015 4:53 PM  

"Then I proceed to explain the theories of Velikovsky and defend the existence of Sasquatch.

I haven't won any converts yet, but I have loads of fun."


Am sure someone somewhere on the internets has said "Never go full Mulder."

And they'd be wrong.

"Yes, six days of creation. With mankind fully formed, no evolution required, morphologically similar to us in every way... with the possible exception of a tail. Whether it was prehensile or not is up for debate."

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 10, 2015 5:10 PM  

Velikovsky is cool. I have no opinion on Sasquatch.

Anonymous Scintan May 10, 2015 5:10 PM  

Let's drop the rhetoric.

Tolerance of many and much as a virtue does not demand tolerance of everything and all, let alone tolerance of those who don't value broad toleration, but broad intolerance, as a virtue.


Actually, it does, particularly when the things you demand be tolerated are extremes. Anything less is hypocrisy.

That's the inherent flaw in the tolerance argument, NH. One must tolerate those who don't want X just as one must tolerate those who do, or else the entire doctrine of tolerance falls.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 10, 2015 5:14 PM  

dagenhamblonde teach kids that intentionally trying to contract HIV in a gangbang because you identify as Aidskin is as valid a lifestyle choice

Not to split hairs but the correct identity is BugChaser, they get HIV on purpose so they can lay about on social security disability & other benefits. Then they can post online all day like it was their day job. I ended up meeting some of them when I started a weekend option with 5 days off a week at full time pay.

CrisisEraDynamo's response was very good: . Define everything you don’t like as “intolerance” and poof! No silencing,

No they probably think he agrees with them.

Tolerance for me and mine, but not for thee and thine. SJWs are just a beheading away from displaying the same tolerance as ISIS.

Just like "moderate moslems" SJWs are hoping someone else carries out violence on their behalf like swatting & CPS

Blogger Harsh May 10, 2015 5:20 PM  

Not to split hairs but the correct identity is BugChaser, they get HIV on purpose so they can lay about on social security disability & other benefits.

I don't know even how to respond to that.

Blogger Thordaddy May 10, 2015 5:37 PM  

"Tolerance does not demand toleration." -- Vox Day

Correct. Tolerance, i.e., the masochistic EMBRACE of pain, does not "demand." Furthermore, the "intolerant," i.e., those who DO NOT EMBRACE masochistic pain, are coherently not tolerated by those who have received the rescinded invitation of "toleration."

"Hey man, you want to embrace our masochistic pain?"

"No way man, I'm intolerant of all that!"

"Ok man, then I don't embrace your pain, man!"

"Whatjew mean man? I thought you embraced pain?"

"Not your pain, man. Your pain doesn't embrace my pain and so my pain CANNOT embrace YOU.

It makes sense. It really does.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 10, 2015 5:38 PM  

I don't know even how to respond to that. What he talked about exists & has a name. You can search BUGCHASER and see he has a legitimate complaint. AIDSKIN in google gives first aid products.

I don't know if my 770 post will make it past moderation but I will put it here:
I really regret I didn’t put in a short story in before Vox ruined the SJW voting for victimhood over “dangerous visions”. I could have won a Hugo with “Yes Restored Virginity Slut There is a Fraumarket Clause.” In which the evil Voxemort throws a McGuffin through the space diamond window of a Gay Wedding Cake Bakery. Leftists would have voted for it without comprehending the “Broken window fallacy” spelled out. In the happy ending , thanks to Austrian free market capitalism, they end up not being victims and realizing not being victims feels better.

Blogger tihald May 10, 2015 5:41 PM  

I think Chesterton said all that was needed about having an open mind:

“Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”

Blogger Harsh May 10, 2015 5:44 PM  

I don't know even how to respond to that. What he talked about exists & has a name. You can search BUGCHASER and see he has a legitimate complaint. AIDSKIN in google gives first aid products.

I certainly believe you, Steve, that that's a real thing. I'm just speechless that anyone would knowingly contract a fatal disease to collect government benefits. But perhaps I'm being naive.

Anonymous tiredofitall May 10, 2015 5:44 PM  

"You can search BUGCHASER and see he has a legitimate complaint. AIDSKIN in google gives first aid products." - BigGaySteve

It's a nod to a tumblr thing where people "identify" as dragons, animals, inanimate objects and call themselves dragonkin, furkin, pencilkin.

You know, because they're normal functioning members of society.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 10, 2015 5:51 PM  

I‘ve actually heard SJWs say that 'tolerance' isn't good enough, they need 'acceptance' and 'participation.'

Just because I think gay-bashing is horrible, and that marriage as a secular institution is so damaged through divorce, cucking, etc. that I look on SSM as simply a corporate merger, no, a blowjob will not be forthcoming.

Anonymous malcolm May 10, 2015 5:52 PM  

A good place to post Wil Wheaton's unironic comment from several weeks back:
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http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/114516668354/hey-wil-not-sure-if-youve-heard-of-or-but-adam
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Wouldn’t it be great if everyone still went to the show, but nobody attended his talks or asked him to sign things? Wouldn’t it be great if he sat there, alone and ignored, while all the people around him had a great time being inclusive and awesome to each other?

Blogger Harsh May 10, 2015 5:55 PM  

Wouldn’t it be great if he sat there, alone and ignored, while all the people around him had a great time being inclusive and awesome to each other?

Yes, because we all strive to be awesome to each other.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 10, 2015 6:06 PM  

I'm just speechless that anyone would knowingly contract a fatal disease to collect government benefits.

What if it's not fatal?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 10, 2015 6:08 PM  

Out of time to play today, gents. Looks like right in the nick of time too, before weekly "awesome appreciation-of-each-other time" starts again.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 10, 2015 6:10 PM  

I'm just speechless that anyone would knowingly contract a fatal disease to collect government benefits. But perhaps I'm being naive.

They get victimhood status, like their own special club. They get Social security disability and other benefits so they don't have to work. I often see people on benefits that have nicer phones than I have. Its no longer fatal as long as people take the cocktail at around $40k a year at taxpayers expense, at least until low IQ 3rd world savages who are too stupid to take meds correctly creates drug resistant HIV thanks to the HIV travel ban being removed. (a view you don't want to mention at work sans the PC codeword patient COMPLIANCE). They probably shouldn't get such benefits without actually being disabled but its SJWs working in the benefit office.

Here is the story of 3 generations that never worked a day in their lives that have a nicer car than a gay Hispanic RN I know & can afford to go up and down both coasts for months looking for the best sect8 apartment which few working people in the world can do. Even Travel Temp Nurses would have to save up to do what they can. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/housing-vouchers-a-golden-ticket-to-pricey-suburbs/2011/06/23/AGDNc7kH_story.html

Wil Wheaton's ...Wouldn’t it be great if he sat there, alone and ignored, ~ he might BYOB with the last B=Boyfriend.

Blogger Thordaddy May 10, 2015 6:29 PM  

Tolerance + nondiscrimination = all-accepting indiscriminancy...

This ^^^ the PACT where one attains an equality of absolute freedom.

Those that reject this all-accepting indiscriminancy should not lament the imaginary hypocrisy of an illusionary rejection from those that accept all rejects.

Anonymous takin' a look May 10, 2015 6:44 PM  

"Cail Corishev May 10, 2015 6:06 PM

I'm just speechless that anyone would knowingly contract a fatal disease to collect government benefits.

What if it's not fatal?"

Hey! Of course its a fatal, deadly horrific disease! 1 Trillion dollars flushed er......"funded" over 30 years. a rapidly escalating infection rate going from 40 million to 25 million or whatever other number the UN pulls outta it's ass. Just because Gallo's test aren't Gold Standard, doesn't mean we should look into what Montagnier or the dreaded Duesberg has to say about it.

Don't bother Cail, this isn't a rabbit hole the majority of members of this blog give a shit about. After all, it's only the faggots and niggers who are harmed with a few normal whites sacrificed alongside them.

OpenID joshtheaspie May 10, 2015 6:47 PM  

SirThermite May 10, 2015 4:05 PM
Tolerance for me and mine, but not for thee and thine. SJWs are just a beheading away from displaying the same tolerance as ISIS.


Or those involved in the French Revolution, which this group seems to mirror quite well.

Speaking of statists and beheadings.

O'Donald -- http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/03/great-new-idea-from-the-hollywood-left-behead-the-bankers/
Occupy -- http://dailyhaymaker.com/?p=1324

And if we expand this to talk about the lower head...
International Castration Day: http://www.grisham.newsvine.com/_news/2012/06/10/12147695-all-men-should-be-castrated-international-castration-day

Anonymous Susan May 10, 2015 7:04 PM  

I just find it most amusing how shocked liberals are that the other side of the aisle is now playing the game by the rules that THEY set up in the first place. Our side of the aisle is nothing if not polite. While we are smashing their houses down, using their own rules.
Bwahahahahahahaha!

Anonymous jdgalt May 10, 2015 7:05 PM  

I would have turned the enemy's own pronouncement against him. This:

'Tolerance does not demand that one tolerate the intolerant. The open minded need not embrace those that would destroy their society.'

sure sounds like agreement with this:

'I will not "live and let live" with SJWs for the obvious reason that it is not possible for anyone to live and let live with them. You cannot live and let live with anyone whose ideology is totalitarian, who genuinely believe they have a right to tell you what is, and what is not, okay for you to think, write, and say. You cannot compromise with anyone who believes they have a self-appointed right to dictate what others read, what others write, what others review, and what others publish. You cannot be tolerant of those who claim the right to decide what is "problematic" and what is "unacceptable" and what "there is no place for" in science fiction.'

even if "Gully Foyle" didn't intend it that way.

Blogger bob k. mando May 10, 2015 7:06 PM  

I'm just speechless that anyone would knowingly contract a fatal disease to collect government benefits.

Cail Corishev May 10, 2015 6:06 PM
What if it's not fatal?



*Life* is fatal, baby. ain't nobody getting out of here alive.

Blogger Harsh May 10, 2015 7:14 PM  

Out of time to play today, gents. Looks like right in the nick of time too, before weekly "awesome appreciation-of-each-other time" starts again.

Stop being a faggot, NorthernHamlet. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but you went full retard with that one. Maybe you need to take some time off and clear your fucking head.

Blogger rcocean May 10, 2015 7:22 PM  

Its like Liberals and free speech. They're in favor of it 100 percent, except for "Hate Speech". What is "Hate Speech" ? Anything they dislike. What's worse is a lot Dumb Kopf conservatives and Republicans agree.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2015 8:05 PM  

I posted a comment there... but an official Rabid Puppies response can be found at my blog.

http://bloggerblaster.blogspot.com/2015/05/rabid-puppies-update.html

Blogger Retrenched May 10, 2015 8:18 PM  

"Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left." - Herbert Marcuse

Anonymous horsewithnonick May 10, 2015 8:43 PM  

Need. Moar. Popcorn.

http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/staff-editorials/12864/fbi-gamergate-brianna-wu/

Seriously, what are the odds that a full investigation on both sides of the conflict would result in more anti-GG prosecutions than GG? Discounting the possibility of an SJW-led task force, that is.

Anonymous zen0 May 10, 2015 8:49 PM  

@ Retrenched

>"Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left." - Herbert Marcuse


Liberating= Harnessing. Typical switch.

Back in the late sixties, early seventies, Marcuse was virtually worshipped in universities.
One of the most evil Frankfurters.

For Marcuse, the women's liberation movement was important not only for the liberation of women, but also for the liberation of all oppressed people in our society. His hope was that the struggle for the liberation of women would create a new type of performance principle and aid in the cultivation of a new sensibility. In short, certain feminine qualities would replace brutish, violent, masculine qualities. Marcuse actually advocated a form of androgyny.

Sound familiar, oh Vile Faceless Ones?

Anonymous Ain May 10, 2015 8:58 PM  

"Not to split hairs but the correct identity is BugChaser, they get HIV on purpose so they can lay about on social security disability & other benefits. "

Harsh: I don't know even how to respond to that.



It sounds much more likely than catching HIV out of a sense of solidarity.

Blogger GK Chesterton May 10, 2015 9:02 PM  

For fear of drawing the wrath of all, don't the majority here believe of some limitations of tolerance? I don't follow Vox well with the rhetoric bit (but false!!!! why won't you just say true!).

In general private speech should be protected. But those that are infinitely tolerant just end up conquered right? If so it isn't a virtue. It certainly isn't a Christian one.

Blogger Nikis-Knight May 10, 2015 9:31 PM  

"Wouldn’t it be great if he sat there, alone and ignored, while all the people around him had a great time being inclusive and awesome to each other?

Yes, because we all strive to be awesome to each other."

This type of hyperbolic geek speech just comes off as homoerotic to me.

Blogger Bogey May 10, 2015 9:34 PM  

But those that are infinitely tolerant just end up conquered right?

Pretty much, some of those conservative studio heads at Hollywood were celebrated for such things, but now being conservative in Hollywood can get you blacklisted. Tolerance breeds intolerance.

Blogger Feather Blade May 10, 2015 9:39 PM  

Wouldn’t it be great if he sat there, alone and ignored, while all the people around him had a great time being inclusive and awesome to each other?

He keeps using that word....

Remind me again who admonished people on the internet to "Don't be a dick"?

It's probably a good thing that Wheaon doesn't work in TV any more. It might get awkward is he were to work the same project as Baldwin.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 10, 2015 9:46 PM  

What sorts of things get you deleted or banned from file 770?
I just posted that Apollo 13 is sci fi because NASA isn't capable of going to the moon & "Planet of the Apes & 2001 a Space Odyssey where the 2 Dangerous Visions of 1968.If you where a time traveling 68 chevy impala my love that landed in Baltimore last week, we could be ready for HilLIARy to give back $40million in donations from nations that execute gays while being Secretary of State."
I figure that will push a lot of SJW buttons.

"This type of hyperbolic geek speech just comes off as homoerotic to me." To think some people out there don't know Elton John is gay.

Anonymous Varenius May 10, 2015 9:53 PM  

The open minded need not embrace those that would destroy their society.

And thus, Rabid Puppies and GamerGate came to be.

Blogger Ashley Letterman May 10, 2015 9:54 PM  

Tolerance of many and much as a virtue does not demand tolerance of everything and all, let alone tolerance of those who don't value broad toleration, but broad intolerance, as a virtue.

So you're saying that you don't think tolerance of SJWs is necessary? I'd tend to agree.

The thing is, that's actually EXACTLY the time when tolerance is needed most, if you're trying to be a virtuous person (which is allegedly the basis of how SJW's live). Tolerance is a virtue specifically because it's a challenge. Obviously, there's a limit of tolerance, after which it becomes stupid and self-defeating. You wouldn't want to tolerate people who have pledged to kill you and your family, for instance -- but there is a cavernous gulf between that kind of person, and the people you disagree with ideologically and get in snarky arguments with on websites. You clearly know that, so use a modicum of logic here.

I think it's a Chesterton quote that goes 'It seems to me that you only pardon the sins that you don’t really think sinful. You only forgive criminals when they commit what you don’t regard as crimes, but rather as conventions.' Obviously, that's about forgiveness and not tolerance, but the argument is compatible across the board. There is no virtue in tolerating people you have no issues with, just as there is no virtue in respecting people who already respect you. It's easy, and more than that, it's meaningless. As are most of the things coming from that side. Tolerance is a word with no meaning in the mouths of SJWs. I guess that puts it among a vast and storied company.

Blogger maniacprovost May 10, 2015 10:13 PM  

Well, we used to "tolerate" wannabe socialists by employing them, working with them, and ignoring their opinions. But since the Eich event, the gloves are off. Sucks to have the wrong opinion these days.

Anonymous zen0 May 10, 2015 10:27 PM  

Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

Gilbert K. Chesterton

Blogger IM2L844 May 10, 2015 10:35 PM  

*Life* is fatal, baby. ain't nobody getting out of here alive.

Everybody gets out of here alive. The question is: "Then what?"

Anonymous Amok Time May 10, 2015 10:46 PM  

So, the SJ Whinners lie, lie and lie! And when not lying they are Wackos!!

Blogger bob k. mando May 10, 2015 11:22 PM  

IM2L844 May 10, 2015 10:35 PM
Everybody gets out of here alive. The question is: "Then what?"



not true. even Christ died.

only two got out alive ... do you consider yourself the equal of Enoch and Elijah?

yes, i know you're talking about the soul. but many don't accept the existence of the immaterial.

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Blogger Patrikbc #0344 May 10, 2015 11:32 PM  

"Remember, the SJWs have changed the definition of "tolerance" from acceptance to approval." - Sam Hall

True, but that just gets you accepted as a "hang around". To be taken seriously, you not only have to approve, but actively participate. I know a SJW chick, who makes a point of telling everyone all about how her 10 year old daughter is a lesbian. "We've known since she was a baby" she says. Oh the accolades she must receive! Such a devoted, nurturing and model liberal mother she is!

Anonymous Jack Amok May 10, 2015 11:45 PM  

The open minded need not embrace those that would destroy their society.

(laughs) A true statement but he doesn't realize the irony of his words.


It's a curious sort of blindness, isn't it? Wonder if AC has any explanations for how someone's brain can work that way.

Blogger Poor Guy May 10, 2015 11:49 PM  

I just got a great idea for a sci-fi story from this. Does Sci-Phi Journal accept amateur-written message (liberty message) short fiction??

Anonymous The other robot May 11, 2015 12:45 AM  

It must really gall the #SadPuppies to know that their favorite genre was invented by a woman.

I wonder what Genre that was?

Blogger Ashley Letterman May 11, 2015 12:46 AM  

Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

Gilbert K. Chesterton


I was actually going to touch on something like that, but I didn't want to write a novel. Can you link the work/transcript, if one exists, where Chesterton actually said that though? I've been looking for it for awhile. It's one of the most common quotes I've seen with his name, but I have never encountered it in his writing (but I have definitely not read everything he wrote either). The closest I've seen is where he says something like modern tolerance is deafer than intolerance. He also says that a religious society will be tolerant, while a nation without religion will be bigoted. Since he was arguing from a religious standpoint, this seems like it would be a terrible thing to say, if that was his opinion.

But anyway, strictly speaking, tolerance isn't a Christian virtue at all, but rather a civic virtue. Whether these are opposed or compatible isn't really the point. SJWs don't give any value to Christian ideology, but they at least pay lip service to the idea of civic virtue, and the very idea of having a virtue means maintaining it in the face of adversity.

Blogger J Thomas May 11, 2015 2:04 AM  

BREAKING NEWS!

Friedrich Nietzsche just confronted a SJW.

Blogger Thordaddy May 11, 2015 3:32 AM  

Chesterton is wrong... Self-annihilators have a conviction for suffering pain as it then rationalizes their relentless pursuit of pleasure.

Anonymous rho May 11, 2015 3:39 AM  

Gleaned from File770:
Sasquan, the 2015 Worldcon, gained another 494 members between April 23 and May 6 and, continuing a trend, nearly 80% of the newcomers are supporting members.

The con now has a total of 8,510 members, including 3,590 attending and 4,581 supporting.

A $40 supporting membership is the minimum requirement to become eligible as a voter in 2017 site selection or to vote on the winners of the Hugo Awards.

Sasquan has long since shattered LonCon 3’s record number of supporting members, which was 2,882 (according to information distributed at Smofcon 32).


It seems that this year's Worldcon membership is simultaneously record-breaking and discouraging.

(To me, that's as good as an indictment as any. This is the equivalent of Worldcon as WASPy country club when Jews and blacks discover that the rules can't actually prohibit their membership.)

For fun, convert the 8.5K members to 8.5 kilobytes. At 5 characters per word, that's about 1740 words. (No spaces: or if you prefer, "disemspacing".) That's the conceptual equivalent of summing up the "Best of the Best of Science Fiction and Fantasy" in 1.8 Ann Coulter columns.

Anonymous zen0 May 11, 2015 6:12 AM  

Ashley Letterman

> Can you link the work/transcript, if one exists, where Chesterton actually said that though?

Nope, can't find it. If Chesterton doesn't want it I'll take it from now on. While I was looking, I did find this:

“We need to remember that tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty — these are Christian virtues. And obviously, in a diverse community, tolerance is an important working principle. But it’s never an end in itself. In fact, tolerating grave evil within a society is itself a form of serious evil.” – Archbishop Chaput

Anonymous p-dawg May 11, 2015 8:05 AM  

@Ashley Letterman: Tolerance is NOT a virtue. That is why rape, theft, assault and the like are crimes. How is it virtuous to kowtow to that which you know to be evil?

Blogger Nate May 11, 2015 9:09 AM  

patience is a virtue. tolerance is just a word that used to mean something... before the SJW used it as a weapon.

Blogger wrf3 May 11, 2015 9:20 AM  

The other robot asked: I wonder what Genre that was?

Science Fiction? Frankenstein? Mary Shelly?

In any case, who cares? It's the story, not the author. Do they really think we'll reject stories written by beslimed gray aliens with fifteen sexes that are intent on doing unspeakable things to us, if the stories are good? We may not have time to read them right away while trying to avoid those unspeakable things. But a good story is a good story.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 May 11, 2015 10:07 AM  

"It must really gall the #SadPuppies to know that their favorite genre was invented by a woman."

"Science Fiction? Frankenstein? Mary Shelly?"

No. Nor are the #StrawPuppies galled by it. Even our strawmen are made of sterner stuff. (Although they are a bit upset about that mob of SJWs brandishing fire and pitchforks. (Is twink hair particularly flammable?)

Anonymous Eric the Red May 11, 2015 10:15 AM  

SJW's have taken prior restraint to new lows, by basing it on their own subjective definitions, irresponsible feelings, and rancid paranoid projections. Every useful idiot judge who makes rulings accordingly simply ensures that a once free society of true tolerance is now a tyranny.

Blogger rcocean May 11, 2015 10:57 AM  

JS has another post up about the Hugos. In summary, he's advising everyone to vote No Award because the "Assholes" can't be allowed to "Win". You see JS isn't against conservatives, or people who criticize him, he's just against "Assholes". Its amusing the way he constantly writes ambiguously or claims he may *appear* to be doing X but really isn't. For example, if he attacks Conservatives constantly and calls them names constantly, that isn't because he dislikes Conservatives. No, that's because he dislikes "Assholes". Amazing.

Anonymous Chad May 11, 2015 11:03 AM  

I would suspect the SJWs are thoroughly invested in their own powerlessness. This is the essence of their idiotic 'privilege' concept. They consider all of the intolerance and hate they throw at their opponents as trivial because they will insist they have no power; despite the entire organizations they have subverted.

Meanwhile, the most inconsequential opponent they encounter will be swarmed en-mass because apparently bad-think by a 'privileged' individual is capable of destroying society. SJWs will always claim underdog status as they bully any opposition they find weaker than themselves.

Anonymous Dan May 11, 2015 12:18 PM  

I tried to comment at 770, but my comment was deleted. Here it is:

A lot of people dislike the "SJW" term.

I completely disagree. SJW is an important term because much of the behavior of these wreckers goes together:

(1) Terms like racism, racist, sexist, bigot, hater, intolerant -- these are the bread and butter terms of SJWs. They are ad hominem, and they are a way of avoiding addressing the issues, and they are almost aways based on scant evidence, or none at all. Almost nobody dares to be sexist or racist online under their own name unless they rail against whites, men, white men, white heterosexual men, and SJWs do this in abundance.

(2) If you are a progressive in 21st century America, you almost certainly are an SJW. Why? All legal battles in relation to genuine fairness were won long ago. The SJW does not see this, because huge differences and discrepancies remain of course.

Will the SJW ever accept that differences and discrepancies in ability and performance exist along racial and gender lines? That natural outcomes simply will not give proportional outcomes in relation to all groups? SJWs will not accept reality! Never, never! To even think such a thing is racist and sexist. No matter that it happens to be the truth. Even though diversity actually means that there are differences between groups.

Most remaining differences and discrepancies are reflective of real and inescapable differences that cannot be eliminated. The only further way to achieve "progress" in many realms is by bigotry and discrimination against those that perform well. Technology is next up to be harmed in furtherance of SJW goals.

(3) SJWs must be resisted because in extreme 'equalism' they are the inheritors of the worst ideologies humanity has ever known.

All of the most impoverishing and murderous ideologies of the 20th century were in pursuit of equality that could never come.

Everyone knows (or should know) how equalists under Communism in the USSR, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Cuba and in many other places killed a hundred million or more, focusing specifically on the successful.

But what most people including SJWs usually fail to appreciate is that the Shoah was largely the result of hatred of Jews' success. Jews had done comparatively well during the before and during the Depression and were vastly over-represented in the professions and many desirable jobs in Germany, and in proportion of wealth. They were killed ultimately due to resentment, envy and jealousy.

All those SJWs who imagine that by marginalizing groups that are well-represented among the successful in favor of less successful groups, they are 'on the right side of history' -- do not correctly read history.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 11, 2015 5:52 PM  

" They were killed ultimately due to resentment, envy and jealousy."

Lol, are you a Jew?

They were killed because bolshevism was invented by them, because they were behind a lot of tasteless, degenerate culture, because they were rootless transnationals with no interest of the financial wellbeing if their host country etc

I mean, come on.

Anonymous tiredofitall May 11, 2015 9:03 PM  

"Is twink hair particularly flammable?" - Elocutioner0226

Are you kidding? With all that "product" they put in it, they'd go up in flames faster than the Hindenburg.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 12, 2015 8:31 AM  

Jesus, these people are stupid: http://file770.com/?p=22330&cpage=9#comment-260364

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