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Wednesday, May 13, 2015

SJWs always cheat

The Making Light SJWs are upset because Tor isn't collecting its usual Hugo tribute for its predictably mediocre romances in space, sanctimonious PC space lectures, and red-hot necrobestials, so naturally they are lobbying hard to change the rules. WCJ points out what they're up to:
The method that the Making Light cabal used to evaluate these satisfaction formulae was to simulate elections using the different formulae and look at the outcome. They decided in advance which outcomes would be considered “satisfying:” those that closely replicate the 2013 Hugo shortlists given the known data from the 2013 ballot, and those that excluded or reduced the quantity of nominees of a hypothetical collection of Sad Puppy voters added to the simulations. A “satisfaction” function was regarded as good by the Making Light cabal if it answered positively to that criterion.

This isn’t just sinister, it’s diabolical. Because what they’re doing, quite literally, is defining “satisfaction” not to be YOUR satisfaction, but rather THEIR satisfaction. The function that is supposed to model your happiness as a voter was chosen by someone who is not you, based on criteria that were designed entirely for their benefit and not yours, without any reference whatsoever to your opinion.
It's vastly amusing that they are doing exactly what we predicted and are trying to change the rules even though no one has won anything yet. However, speaking as a game designer, I can tell you that there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about stopping intelligent exploits without a process that allows for dynamic responses. For example, let's say they manage to ram through the 4/6 plan, whose author, Chris Gerrib, foolishly believes is somehow magically capable of preventing Rabid Puppies from locking the SJWs out of the awards again in the future.

The answer is entirely obvious. You didn't seriously think there was no shadowy purpose behind the numbering of the minions, did you? Am I not your Supreme Dark Lord? And are you not entertained?

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92 Comments:

Blogger WhiteKnight May 13, 2015 7:58 PM  

You really need more dramatic laughter and blasts of thunder to go along with your Dark Lord theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA

Blogger A Martian Warlord May 13, 2015 8:00 PM  

Interesting development:
I have not received the book package and my pin and password do not seem to work. I wrote to sasquan (spelling? too lazy to look it up) and they sent back two emails, one referring me to someone else, then another saying uh..we're not sure how to help..and after that silence.
Seems they just want to keep my money but not let me vote...

I may have to do something about that...
Giuseppe (old blogger name...too lazy/tired to fix that too right now).

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 13, 2015 8:07 PM  

Now I am wondering just how long the SJW's OODA loop is? Looks like we will be finding out over the next couple of WorldCons.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) May 13, 2015 8:09 PM  

Interesting development:
I have not received the book package and my pin and password do not seem to work.


At least for the book package, the site says
"We are currently preparing the Hugo Packet, and and when it is ready, we will send an email to all eligible voters."

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence May 13, 2015 8:14 PM  

Gerrib? Seriously? I saw that guy running concern troll-ish disagreement on Wright's blog months back. How terribly predictable that it's always the same batch of people and how without fail a concern troll is always, always obvious and never rethinks their allegiance even for a second.

Blogger Harsh May 13, 2015 8:16 PM  

I thought Gerrib was on a ledge somewhere.

Blogger Alexander May 13, 2015 8:18 PM  

These idiots do realize that it was only after their refusal to let things lie that most of us ponied up $40. If they insist on doubling down, then I for one look forward to upgrading and attending the business meeting in 2016.

Blogger Harsh May 13, 2015 8:18 PM  

The problem that the SJWs don't understand is that they've constructed a beautiful intellectual and gaming challenge for us to overcome. I welcome their attempts to restructure the nominating process. We'll just figure out a way to win anyhow.

Blogger Michael Maier May 13, 2015 8:19 PM  

Wait... I'm being USED?

Blogger Russell (106) May 13, 2015 8:19 PM  

My pin and Id are working. I won't start voting until I receive my packet.

Blogger James Dixon May 13, 2015 8:21 PM  

> If they insist on doubling down, then I for one look forward to upgrading and attending the business meeting in 2016.

Already being planned for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8tZO97uhyE

Blogger Bluntobj Winz May 13, 2015 8:27 PM  

Vile minion #0178 shall obey the exquisitely evil commands of the Supreme Dark Lord of Evil!

MuhahahahahahahaHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

Blogger Positive Dennis May 13, 2015 8:31 PM  

Thus sayeth the Lord: do not number Israel.

Blogger George May 13, 2015 8:34 PM  

An interesting fact I noticed about last year's Hugo Voting. There were only about 400 more votes for "No Award" than there were for Vox getting 5th place (1232 to 855).

My guess is that 1200-1300 will likely be upper bounds for "No Award" votes. I really doubt that that many additional people that are going to sign up just to vote "No Award" for the puppies.

So if there are around 500 new pro-puppy voters for the Hugos this year, it will be possible that not only are the Hugos awarded in each of the categories but that Vox might do better than 6th this year.

Anonymous The other robot May 13, 2015 8:42 PM  

From a comment on Wright's blog as printed at File770:

Your arguments for nominating a slate and violating the unwritten code underlying the Hugos were irrational and make no sense outside of the right-wing ‘reality bubble.’

WTF. How were we to know not to do that if it was unwritten?

Are there any more unwritten parts of the code?

Can they simply make it up as they go along?

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 13, 2015 8:42 PM  

Laughed. Out. Loud.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 13, 2015 8:51 PM  

The answer is entirely obvious. You didn't seriously think there was no shadowy purpose behind the numbering of the minions, did you?

Alright, can someone explain this to me? I'm feeling pretty damn dumb here.

Anonymous pseudotsuga May 13, 2015 8:52 PM  

Wasn't the saying attributed to Stalin about the votes not being as important as being able to COUNT the votes? Losers just wanna take their rocket ship participation trophy and go home, yet Puppies want to actually have a meaningful competition.

Blogger Joel #0164 May 13, 2015 9:00 PM  

Alright, can someone explain this to me? I'm feeling pretty damn dumb here.

Vile Minion pride

Blogger SirHamster (#201) May 13, 2015 9:04 PM  

Alright, can someone explain this to me? I'm feeling pretty damn dumb here.

From what I can tell, the 4/6 proposal is that people nominate 4 titles, but the final ballot will take the top 6.

However, this can be gamed by coordinating the votes ... which numbering the EloE makes possible.

Take a desired slate of 6 works, A-F.

#1-100 nominate ABCD
#101-200 nominate ABEF
#201-300 nominate CDEF

Result: ABCDEF get 200 votes apiece.

Anonymous TimP (#316) May 13, 2015 9:05 PM  

Does anyone have a link to describe Chris Gerrib's 4/6 plan? I'd be interested in finding out about it.

Anonymous Morbeus May 13, 2015 9:09 PM  

My pin and Id are working.

Just watch out for those monsters from the id.

Blogger Danby May 13, 2015 9:15 PM  

Well, you can tell they're not gamers.
the ONLY useful responses are to either 1) build their own slate, which would be plural, and would turn the Hugos into a typical popularity contest, or 2) STOP AGGRO-ING THE MID-BOSS.
You've even told them where the aggro trigger is, like an illuminated circle in WoW.
They're like the healer that can't keep track of the screen. She's going to step into that circle if it kills her, and by God, it does! Quelle Suprise! When you try to tell her how the level works, and what she needs to do to get the party through successfully, she's all "You're not the boss of me! I'll do what I want!"

Anonymous ZT May 13, 2015 9:23 PM  

It took me a little while to understand why you keep a reserve and not just commit everything. I have long since learned why. To bad the SJW still think like 6th graders or they might have an inkling of what is going to happen.

Blogger J Thomas May 13, 2015 9:33 PM  

I think SJWs are a "type" or a recurring fulfillment of the idea of the "abomination that causes desolation". They are the great inversion, an intense portrayal of themselves as one thing, while in reality, being the absolute opposite.

They speak in favor of life, but only as a front, because they desire to hurt, and cause death.

Anonymous Michael May 13, 2015 9:44 PM  

@J Thomas The defining attribute is that their hearts of are full of hate. And it shows through in everything they do.

Anonymous jack May 13, 2015 9:55 PM  

Entertained? For sure. Confused? Sometimes. But,its all for the good. After all, we joke about popcorn and bourbon; and, some probably do use this combo. Really, though, where can you find the sheer variety and robust amounts of diversion if not here?

I suspect that the Vox blog should probably be declared illegal and a threat to the common good. The many and loud lamentations would indicate, surely, the danger to the common man. Then, too, the Ilk would say, 'We don't care.'

Anonymous Anonymous May 13, 2015 9:59 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs

Blogger doofus May 13, 2015 10:05 PM  

OK, this is off-topic a bit and probably rage-inducing, but has anyone bothered to keep track of all the inflammatory things that putz David Gerrold has been blathering on about since this all began? I would dearly love to get his sorry ass yanked as the MC for improper favoritism, but I am wondering exactly how bad it has gotten, and was wondering if anyone had actually been documenting it somewhere.

Anonymous jack May 13, 2015 10:05 PM  

@Martian Warlord:

I've had exactly the same problem except no one has returned any of my communications. I cannot get a PIN from that link and site; and no book package as yet. It may be too early for the book package, but someone should have been able to at least confirm my membership. After all, the money was transferred to them from my card as of April 8.
Either they are really backed up [very real possibility that] or, the WorldCon has decided to go full bore fraud full to save the sjw's idea of how an Hugo should be awarded.
As Vox might say; we win no matter what; though, I was so looking forward to voting and getting some decent work the Hugos they deserve.

Blogger Herb Nowell May 13, 2015 10:15 PM  

OK, this is off-topic a bit and probably rage-inducing, but has anyone bothered to keep track of all the inflammatory things that putz David Gerrold has been blathering on about since this all began?

I've mainly wanted to know where all the passion he poured into hating the Puppies has been since 1993 when he supposedly started writing book 5 (of a planned 7) of War Against the Chtorr. I got sick of waiting and lost interest about 10 years ago when his website update on it was the same it was last month when he started spouting his bullshit (I checked to see if he had been, you know, writing since then).

Blogger IM2L844 May 13, 2015 10:19 PM  

After all, we joke about popcorn and bourbon; and...

HEY! Bourbon is nothing to joke about. Are you trying to get Nate fired up?

Anonymous Leeroy Jenkins May 13, 2015 10:26 PM  

> When you try to tell her how the level works, and what she needs to do to get the party through successfully, she's all "You're not the boss of me! I'll do what I want!"

$*%* YAH! My kinda woman!

Blogger IM2L844 May 13, 2015 10:29 PM  

$*%* YAH! My kinda woman!

Damn it, Leeroy...

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 10:30 PM  

"HEY! Bourbon is nothing to joke about. Are you trying to get Nate fired up?"

its ok to joke about bourbon. its just not to ok to advocate for scotch.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 10:30 PM  

"Damn it, Leeroy..."

at least he has chicken

Anonymous not-so-merry-zen0 May 13, 2015 10:31 PM  

Anonymous May 13, 2015 9:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs


No one will click on your shit. Plus Anonymous comments are illegal here. Shutup and $*%* off.

Blogger Rantor May 13, 2015 10:35 PM  

My 18 year old Dalmor is mighty fine...

Anonymous dh May 13, 2015 10:45 PM  

The Making Light folks preferred proposal is something that they are literally trying to brand as we speak.
But, in electioneering terms, it's single transferable vote. You get 1 vote that you can divide among your ranked preferences. So, if you want to nominate 5 books, you can nominate them equally at 1/5 of a vote, or you can nominate them however you want - 80% on one, 5% on the remaining, etc. Votes are totaled numerically and the highest 5 are nominated. It gets a little weird after that, and there a few variations, but after the first round of tabulation, anyone's top preference that “didn’t count”
gets shifted down the ballot. There are other rules involving ties and whatnot.
I am not convinced this measure will pass. For one, it's a somewhat novel voting approach. It's a form of instant run-off voting, which compared to traditional nominating processes or traditional voting is harder to execute. They hand-wave off this burden, but each year's Worldcon is run by a wholly different group from the last years. It's not proven that Worldcon can support the complexity. Certainly any given years committee could, but over the long haul, it's still up in the air. Additionally, it's non-trivial to explain. You almost can't fully explain it without giving examples. In process design, this is almost a sure sign of design failure. Writing out a succinct and accurate explanation that most voters can follow will be non-trivial.
As far as how it will eliminate slates, it's fairly modest at that. In the FAQ at Making Light, they admit that slates will still be able to dominate. The proposed method requires voters to be enthusiastic about a single choice. If non-slate voters nominate 5 works, the change will do absolutely nothing to offset slates. If non-slate voters nominate fewer works, it will amplify those voices. A Tor loyalist who nominates 1 or 2 works must only nominate those 1 or 2 works. If they nominate a full ballot of 5 works, then they have put themselves at par with the slate voters.
This has interesting side-effects. It will virtually guarantee that Tor or Baen or Orbit or Castalia or other publishers can focus their voters to get a single work nominated. 50 voters each voting for 1 work in a single category will have the nominating power of 250 voters. This will make sure there preferred 1 or 2 works get Hugo(TM) nominated every year.
However, there is also an interesting side effect, which for the first time, nominations have an opportunity cost. In the past, people like John Scalzi could ask for a pity nomination - "Award Pimpage" - and a voter who liked his work but did not love his work could give him a pity nod at absolutely no cost so long as he or she wasn't already fully slotted on the nominating ballot. Now, giving that pity nomination will mean decreasing the amplified signal of your pure vote for the work you really want.
In practical terms, I think this means that the major genre publishers will each get a slot that they "own", year over year, because their voters will all be in a mutually-assured destruction stance, afraid to nominate anything but their own preferred work (or maybe two works), and to do using the entirety of their single vote.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 10:48 PM  

yes! yes! we will build a system of rules that will prevent people... who are... adept at learning rules and systems and working within them to win... from... winning.

....


oh dear...

Blogger intuitivereason May 13, 2015 10:50 PM  

6P5, 7P5 if necessary.

Anonymous dh May 13, 2015 10:52 PM  

(continued)

In game terms, it really just means that Rabid Puppies can go one of two ways: it can lock down a slot for themselves, basically in perpetuity, nominating a qualifying work that they like or really any other work they want, to damage the Hugo's or SJW's. With a small number of dedicated voters voting for a single award, you can easily declare 1 slot in every category the Rabid Puppies slot, own it lock stock and barrel. With 300 single-transferable vote voters, you can amass the present day equivalent 1500 current nominations, enough to place easily in every category. The other way you that it could go is to split the votes for 3 works. This will present some interesting problems for the genre publishers. With 500 single-transferable vote voters, split for 3 works, you can produce the present day equivalent of 800 nominations. For categories other than best novel, this may be enough to place all 3 works. The knowledge of this would force the publishers to whip their voters to nominate single works.

If you truly believe that there is no voting conspiracy up to now - where a core group of dedicate voters give each others favorite works a courtesy nomination by a wink and nod - this is fine. But if there was a voting conspiracy no matter how cordial, I can't see how it survives this voting change. By attaching a cost, you will force voters to either dilute their vote to be only as strong as a slate vote, or concentrate it to ensure their favorite work gets a nomination. In the later scenario, what you will see is that genre publishers like Tor will basically first have to choose which of their own works to focus on for nomination. Since you can presume other publishers will concentrate their fire, you have to as well.

This does certainly mean the end of affirmative action authors getting courtesy nominations - like the Seanan McGuire's of the world, who received many nominations but who really had no chance in most categories. Those nomination will have a cost, and the cost will be at the expense of publishing interests. It will also mean a more desperate sounding tone to the people who routinely ask for nominations - instead of "hey, if you liked my book, add me to your nominations", it will have to be, "hey, please nominate as your first and only choice, I need YOUR support".

Reading over the decision making process that these people went through, to come to this consensus has been interesting. Contrary to their FAQ, it was suggested by a close associate of TNH and PNH, who co-runs the blog, and shepherded it through the process. A well known security expert had some input, and rounded some of the corners.

But I give it only 50/50 odds of making it through the business committee intact. The simpler solution that smaller minds like Chris Gerrib and John Scalzi have proposed (nominate 4 on a nomination ballot, for a field of 6) gives just barely worse protection against slate voting. This proposal gives mathematically about 33% more in most normal scenarios. But I suspect that some authors and publishers will realize that by dividing the power of a nomination, it will result in fewer net nominations. Meaning, yes, it's true that Castalia won't be able to get 10 nominations in a year, but it's also true that Tor, Baen, Orbit etc will not be able to get 10 nominations in a year. And it will certainly be harder for any publisher to get more than one.

My personal proposal if this does make through for the 2017 Hugo nominations is for Rabid Puppies and Sad Puppies to slate vote ALL TOR works. Having an entire Hugo ceremony with nothing but Tor works and Tor authors will discredit this new style of voting, discredit further the awards, discredit Tor, and force a lot of holy than thou types to renounce their desperately desired nomination, or face the public charge of hypocrisy.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 13, 2015 10:56 PM  

WTF. How were we to know not to do that if it was unwritten?Are there any more unwritten parts of the code?"

I believe that is the code that women and non-Asian minorities in STEM are supposed to be writing but they are too stupid, I mean being held back because Asian and white men do stuff for free on GITHUB

Blogger Danby May 13, 2015 11:01 PM  

Dammit Leeroy!

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 13, 2015 11:04 PM  

They're like the healer that can't keep track of the screen. She's going to step into that circle if it kills her, and by God, it does

Healers are usually the better players because its they that carry the bad. Former stop caster from WOW vanilla, where you cast a long spell and interrupted it if not needed.

But, in electioneering terms, it's single transferable vote. You get 1 vote that you can divide among your ranked preferences.

I don't think the volunteers are actually smart enough to be able to use that system, so all the more reason to look at who counts the votes.

Blogger maniacprovost May 13, 2015 11:14 PM  

Amongst the reasons I quit WoW vanilla. Nubs harassing me to come be healer, then complaining that I melt faces, then complaining that I let their HP linger around 50% to maximize mana efficiency. Riding the ragged edge of disaster is the best part! If you want to min/max the party, maybe you should focus on timing cooldowns instead of running around in small circles getting hit.

By which I mean to say, the SJW faction is hopelessly outclassed, and their 29 twinks stand no chance against a 25 in random drops.

Anonymous ticticboom May 13, 2015 11:26 PM  

Given the disparity in problem solving ability, what makes them think complicating the process will benefit them and hurt us?

Oh, right, projection...

Blogger Godless Heathen May 13, 2015 11:44 PM  

The only way the SJW's can win with voting rule changes is to cover fraud by complicating the procedure beyond easy recognition.

Anonymous DC (#sqrt(-1)) May 13, 2015 11:47 PM  

@ Nate
"HEY! Bourbon is nothing to joke about. Are you trying to get Nate fired up?"

its ok to joke about bourbon. its just not to ok to advocate for scotch.

Allow me to butt in and advocate for...Irish Whiskey! But seriously, let's take a page from arfcom and take the GET BOTH position:

9mm or 45ACP? GET BOTH!
B cup or C cup? GET BOTH!
John C. Wright or Larry Corriea? GET BOTH!!

You get the idea...

Anonymous Laz May 14, 2015 12:29 AM  

J Thomas: "I think SJWs are a "type" or a recurring fulfillment of the idea of the "abomination that causes desolation". They are the great inversion, an intense portrayal of themselves as one thing, while in reality, being the absolute opposite."

I think of it as a mental disease... which it is.

Anonymous David-093 May 14, 2015 1:24 AM  

"Thus sayeth the Lord: do not number Israel."

Israel? Isra...Israe-ilk...?

....


WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Anonymous Peter Pan May 14, 2015 2:06 AM  

The answer is entirely obvious. You didn't seriously think there was no shadowy purpose behind the numbering of the minions, did you? Am I not your Supreme Dark Lord? And are you not entertained?

Flip. That was obvious, and I didn't see it until now. Any student of war understands how important it is to know the number of soldiers in your army--er, Minions in your Legion of Evil. It makes it so much easier to plan. Frankly, I'm disappointed in myself. I should've seen that one.

Anonymous Peter Pan May 14, 2015 2:07 AM  

It was entertaining, though.

Blogger bob k. mando May 14, 2015 2:09 AM  

ticticboom May 13, 2015 11:26 PM
Given the disparity in problem solving ability, what makes them think complicating the process will benefit them and hurt us?


this reminds me of the PGA trying to 'Tiger proof' courses by ... making them longer?

so, Tiger specializes in +300yd drives that land in the middle of the fairway and you assert that you're going to equalize the field by making EVERYONE try to hit +300yds off of every tee? which they DON'T do as well as Tiger?

how goddamn stupid are you?

or maybe the better question is, "How blatantly are you going to try to set Tiger up to set a record for majors won?"

but, MPAI, so there's no telling just how counterproductive a plan they'll come up with.

and Tiger is gimped now, who knows if he'll ever come back.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion May 14, 2015 2:48 AM  

@Peter Pan

Oh, Peter... You are sooooo close... Even more important than knowing the number of your host is to be able to send portions of them on different assignments, rather than just pointing the mob.

For instance: "All evenly divisible by 5, do nothing yet.
Meanwhile, of those NOT divisible by 5: Even numbers do A, Odd Numbers do C. Remember 5's, you are the reserve. Be ready."

Also remember, Vox is a programmer. He need only set up a database, and he can privately task assign minions as he likes, WITH NOBODY KNOWING ANYONE ELSE'S ORDERS. He can word everyone's orders differently, and see what quotes show up on the SJW websites, for instant mole ID.

The possiblilties abound.

Vox also has a VERY good idea, by reading posts, which minions are with him, and which are against.

There is no rule against any of this, by the way...

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 14, 2015 3:27 AM  

Thanks, SirHamster. A new strategy added.

Blogger eharmonica May 14, 2015 3:28 AM  

As the guy who wrote the post that WJC is ripping upon, I think he's wrong.

Here it is:
viktor says:
May 13, 2015 at 3:52 pm

The proposal is designed to lessen the power of ANY straight slate. SP/RP are simply the slates at hand. The idea is to maximize overall voter satisfaction. There were several threads over there about all this and yes, I followed much of it. There’s nothing nefarious going on.

Anonymous Steve May 14, 2015 5:36 AM  

Minion #XXVI cares not for voting systems, he cares only to hear the sweet symphony of his enemies screaming in terror.

Chris Gerrib can cling tightly to his Japanese body pillow waifu, caressing her stained flanks and whispering "Shhh... Etsuko, Daddy will keep you safe from those naughty puppies".

He can wring his soft, pudgy hands and type up lists of elaborate new rules he hopes will keep the wolves from his door.

But houses made of feeble, twisted words won't stop minions. We'll huff, and we'll puff, and Chris Gerrib will soon have an apple in his mouth.

Minions of the Evil Legion of Evil know that there are no rules.

There is only war, and glory, and little plastic rocketships that we will offer to our Dark Lord as amusing little baubles to decorate his throne of bones.

Blogger VD May 14, 2015 6:37 AM  

There’s nothing nefarious going on.

Sure there isn't. Not when the Making Light SJWs are busily plotting to change the rules exactly as we predicted they would.

Blogger VD May 14, 2015 6:43 AM  

Thanks, SirHamster. A new strategy added.

We can do this all day. This is what we do. For fun.

Blogger Karl May 14, 2015 8:50 AM  

Here's an interesting little read about a municipal election decided by a 1 day write-in campaign. Chevy Chase MD is about the most exclusive town in the DC area. And the anti-train line council member was ousted by about 49 votes, gathered through a one afternoon cell phone campaign. And like the Hugo awards, once the results were out much wailing and gnashing of teeth ensued including the attempt to disqualify.

A reminder that even when your opponent thinks they control the entire process they don't.

Chevy Chase cell phone write-in campaign

Ed Albert sent the email four hours before polls closed May 5 with specific instructions to share it only with “those you feel 100% certain are like minded.”

“Please vote today for John Bickerman and write-in Fred Cecere,” Albert wrote. “Together, we can TAKE BACK OUR TOWN! Between 5-8 [p.m.] is ideal for the element of surprise, but anytime is better than no vote.”

The secretive effort to write in Cecere over choosing Vice Mayor Pat Burda for an open Town Council seat has divided the Town of Chevy Chase, a half-square mile incorporated town of just more than 2,800 residents.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 May 14, 2015 9:00 AM  

Keep your talons sharp fellow minions.... the feast is coming....

Anonymous MendoScot May 14, 2015 9:03 AM  

Nate, Nate, Nate.

Bourbon isn't even any good for bribing megalomaniac dictators, although I do find it useful for cleaning squashed bugs off of windows.

Anonymous Alexander May 14, 2015 9:10 AM  

I am afraid the SJW logic fails me:

SJW #1: Our enemies are clearly very capable min-maxers, and that's feelhurt and unfair!

SJW#2: So true! Not OK.

SJW#1: Proposal. Let's change the rules of the game.

SJW #3: Excellent! If there is one thing min-maxers cannot do, it's adapt to rule changes!

SJW #2: Very well. Do we have a consensus on the matter?

SJW 1&3: jazz hands

Blogger Stephen Ward May 14, 2015 9:32 AM  

what do you have against scotch nate?

Blogger Doulos Minion May 14, 2015 10:00 AM  

#39 grovels and is ready to obey Supreme Lord's command.

Blogger Doulos Minion May 14, 2015 10:01 AM  

BTW Scotch is the only drink that can take the taste of hemp out of your mouth after feeding on stringy SJW flesh.

Blogger Stephen Ward May 14, 2015 10:07 AM  

why all the objections to slate voting anyway?

Blogger luagha May 14, 2015 10:35 AM  

There have been elements of slate voting, list voting, and recommended voting all through the Hugos since the fifties, Stephen Ward. Not to mention purchased votes in secret blocks.

The SJWs are objecting because the Puppies did it well and finally won. They are poor losers and are trying to flip the table any way they can.

Blogger Russell (106) May 14, 2015 10:54 AM  

@Alexander
jazz hands

+1

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 14, 2015 10:56 AM  

Has anyone noticed that predictions for self driving cars are expected to come about when the Leroy Jenkins video turns 16?

Chevy Chase MD is about the most exclusive town in the DC area. And the anti-train line council member was ousted by about 49 votes,
The anti train campaign was to keep black crime out of the area. The people on the list voted to lower their property value. That 100+ blacks attack 3 whites in a krogers parking lot video was brought to you by Trains. The 15yo unarmed black kicking the white woman in the head was caught and his mommy said he is a good boy. http://www.guns.com/2014/09/08/mob-of-teens-randomly-attack-people-in-memphis-kroger-parking-lot-video/

Blogger Marissa May 14, 2015 10:58 AM  

dh, many thanks for your detailed explanation. That new system looks like it will suck for your typical voter who just wants to vote for what's best. Instead of slate voting, it's slot voting.

Blogger Sapper May 14, 2015 11:01 AM  

This reminds me of a bullfight. SJWs can't help but charge the cape and it never ends well for them. They can't iamgine that they won't get the Toreador this time.

Anonymous dh May 14, 2015 11:30 AM  

Marissa, it really is the participation Hugo's from here on out.

Blogger Nate May 14, 2015 11:32 AM  

"what do you have against scotch nate?"

obviously... you're new here.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 14, 2015 12:44 PM  

Alas, finished off my bottle of Makers 46 last night, and I'm back to Canadian R&R...
....not even loyal to Irish Whiskey.......I'm a bad Irishman......actually, part Mexican....a Micksican.....

......and my strange desire to purchase a Glock 9mm has returned......there is a rift in the farce....

Blogger sysadmn May 14, 2015 12:44 PM  

Bourbon isn't even any good for bribing megalomaniac dictators, although I do find it useful for cleaning squashed bugs off of windows.

I've heard that said, by men whose tastebuds were ruined by exposure to Scotch. Perhaps we can change your mind with a Bulleit.

Anonymous Peter Pan May 14, 2015 12:59 PM  

Expendable Faceless Minion May 14, 2015 2:48 AM
@Peter Pan

Oh, Peter... You are sooooo close... Even more important than knowing the number of your host is to be able to send portions of them on different assignments, rather than just pointing the mob.


That often comes with knowing exactly how many expendable vile faceless minions you've got. Group designation is the natural next step, if not inherent in the way the counting was conducted. That obvious part I did see.

And it's no secret we all emailed the Dark Lord to get our numbers.

Also remember, Vox is a programmer. He need only set up a database, and he can privately task assign minions as he likes, WITH NOBODY KNOWING ANYONE ELSE'S ORDERS. He can word everyone's orders differently, and see what quotes show up on the SJW websites, for instant mole ID.

I would be surprised if he didn't already have something like this in the works, if only for purely informational purposes. Although with regard to private marching orders, I wouldn't recommend that tactic. Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies both value transparency in their operations. It's just as easy for Vox to give instruction to a specified range of numbers via blog post as it is to email them. Considering the sort of enemy we're up against, transparency is actually a strength. It's much harder to successfully accuse us of cheating when everything is out in the open. In addition, even when Vox has explicitly stated his plans, the opposition hasn't been able to foil them.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 May 14, 2015 1:17 PM  

Ignoring for a moment in actual strategic plans regarding the Hugos.

Who gives two fucks if the enemy accuses us of cheating. They already have. They already do. They absolutely will. Just like they'll run the misogynistic extremist right-wing cis-male christian bigot racist homophobez... who also outrageously oppose shariah.

Transparency may be a benefit. It may not be. It may not matter. But transparency - or any other objective quality - will have absolutely no effect on the enemy's rhetoric. It's important that everyone understands that. There may be value in objective measurements for bystanders, but anyone thinking that doing X will force the enemy to take it into account how they propagandize is mistaken.

Blogger Stephen Ward May 14, 2015 2:12 PM  

@nate

obviously. 12 years of past posts takes time to read through.

@luagha

so they're just mad they're losing? why not organize a counter-campaign then? it's not as if democratic voting was designed to favor independent voters.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 May 14, 2015 2:41 PM  

I predict entertainment for years to come! This is really going to be fun

Blogger RL (#0052) May 14, 2015 3:00 PM  

Test

Anonymous Gx1080 May 14, 2015 3:17 PM  

@Stephen Ward

Pride of course. Is not about merely winning, is about crushing the peasants for daring to not submit.

Of course, is going to bite them on the ass. GRRM, as lacking of intellectual honesty as he is, at least understood that the best course of action for his side was to try to do the best they can this year and then publish a slate of their own the next year. But, since that isn't good enough for the Nielsen Haydens, there you go.

Anonymous Giuseppe May 14, 2015 3:40 PM  

"yes! yes! we will build a system of rules that will prevent people... who are... adept at learning rules and systems and working within them to win... from... winning."

Uh...exactly...seems to me the dark lord of evil darkness just has to say:
Minions 0-150 vote A
Minions 151-300 vote B
Etc..
And Non registered, secret minions without a number...vote Vox day for long and short form editor

Blogger luagha May 14, 2015 4:39 PM  

@stephen ward

They are doing that to some degree with their calls for No Award.

But, for example, their false accusations of racism peddled to the major geek media sites indicate that they don't want this to be any kind of normal voting-based game. When you look at it, it's standard political negative campaigning.

I'm waiting for them to have a bunch of mulatto children run out crying, "Daddy, Daddy!" when Vox gets off a train.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop May 14, 2015 4:44 PM  

Thanks, SirHamster. A new strategy added. -NorthernHamlet

We can do this all day. This is what we do. For fun. -VD
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HickoryHammer #0211 May 14, 2015 2:41 PM
I predict entertainment for years to come! This is really going to be fun
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There's gotta be new ways to monetize this stuff! Even as a passive spectator this has been the most fun I've had since Al Gore invented the internet.
Maybe a game sort of like Going Postal? Except in this one the SWJs shoot themselves?

Anonymous Beau May 14, 2015 4:49 PM  

And Non registered, secret minions without a number...

The correct terminology is in pectore.

Blogger CarpeOro May 14, 2015 5:43 PM  

I am mildly amused. But having got to the point the cheap tequila they serve up here is driving me away, I am considering bourbon or whiskey of some type as a heavier libation. When I can't get a good Belgian trippel. #105

Blogger Forged@46 May 14, 2015 6:04 PM  

OT but I couldn't let the Bulleit link go without linking to:

Buffalo Trace

Absolutely amazing Bourbon.

Oh, and just try this Scotch. Doesn't taste like an old swamp whatsoever.

Lasanta

By the by Mr. Nate, Just wondering how a southron who's supposed to be in ALA would be giving the Scots who've been living, mining and farming in that great state for hundreds of years such a hard time for their pride in their national beverage?

Forged@46

Anonymous MendoScot May 14, 2015 7:19 PM  

Let them be, Forged@46, with their lego huiskees. Some old bastard in a chop shop remembers that "we used to do it this way" and dials it back to the 18thC.

Place to start people, but come talk to me when you have a whisky that doesn't strip your throat or taste like infant formula.

Blogger Calbeck May 15, 2015 2:17 AM  

"In the FAQ at Making Light, they admit that slates will still be able to dominate."

Then what the hell is the point of making any changes at all?

Anonymous Peter Pan May 15, 2015 3:29 AM  

Alexander, #10 May 14, 2015 1:17 PM
Transparency may be a benefit. It may not be. It may not matter. But transparency - or any other objective quality - will have absolutely no effect on the enemy's rhetoric. It's important that everyone understands that. There may be value in objective measurements for bystanders, but anyone thinking that doing X will force the enemy to take it into account how they propagandize is mistaken.


I don't think anyone is suggesting that the enemy will change their rhetoric. The Puppies' transparency is precisely for those who stand on the fence. Objective observers are, as far as I can tell, mostly taking the side of the Puppies for the very simple reason that we're less hypocritical. I would suggest this is due to the above-board dealings. What you see is what you get, and that quality is appealing to someone looking for something to buy into, especially if the product makes sense. And Vox and his Ilk aren't stupid. The opportunity for recruitment, both for the Legion and new customers for Castalia's products won't go to waste trying to determine who the mole is. When all you're dealings are in the open, moles aren't all that threatening because there's nothing to spy on or expose. The opposition won't change their rhetoric, and that's good for us, because it only adds to the fire that's slowly catching everywhere. We're growing in strength daily for no other reason than because they keep pulling stunts like the Entertainment Weekly article.

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