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Saturday, May 02, 2015

SJWs always lie

"Being a “social justice warrior” means I get to read (and incidentally, vote for on award ballots) what I want, rather than waiting to be told by someone else what I should like and what I shouldn’t."
 - John Scalzi, 1 May 2015

Actually, that's almost exactly the opposite of what it means to be an SJW. That sounds considerably more like a #GamerGate position, which McRapey vehemently opposes.

Translation: Johnny Con knows he's on the losing side and he's trying to run his "make nice" routine. Yep.

"You’ll note I’m addressing Mr. Ringo’s argument here and not Mr. Ringo himself. He and I get on tolerably well as humans. Do likewise, please. Likewise, avoid gratuitous slamming of Baen, please. This all is less about the publisher itself than it is about the publisher being used as a stand-in for a particular worldview, which it (or its individual employees or authors) may or may not endorse."
  - John Scalzi, 1 May 2015

"I think both Toni Weisskopf and Jim Minz are eminently worthy of Hugo Award editor nominations; I regret the presence of the slates makes the argument of their consideration more complicated for so many people."
   - John Scalzi, 1 May 2015

Contrast with this:
When Ms. Weisskopf addresses the Baen true faithful like this (as she does both in the Baen’s Bar and on the site of Ms. Hoyt, a Baen author), aside from anything else she’s doing, she’s engaging in the laudable tactic of binding — or rebinding — her company’s host to her company’s product: Baen fans are the real science fiction fans, and real science fiction fans want real science fiction, which comes from Baen. It’s a nice bit of commercial epistemic closure. So good job, Ms. Weisskopf.

Ms. Weisskopf’s unilateral attempt to establish fans of her publishing house as the One True Church, with Heinlein as its graven image, is flat out wrong. Not only are they not the One True Church, they don’t even get Robert Heinlein to themselves. They have to timeshare him with me and with many other fans who love his work, see him as an influence, and at the same time are happy to welcome anyone who wants to be part of the science fiction and fantasy community into the fold, no matter how they got there. Try to take Robert Heinlein from me, guys. See where that gets you. He’s not yours alone. You can’t gatekeep him from me.

Likewise, Ms. Weisskopf’s handwringing about what should be done about the interlopers and heretics incorrectly arrogates to her little group the ability to make any sort of decision on the matter. They can’t. Baen is not, in fact, the core of science fiction and fantasy; people who identify as Baen fans are not the only “real” science fiction and fantasy fans. 
- John Scalzi, 11 March, 2014
 Yeah, I tend to doubt she's likely to buy it, Johnny Con. And "tolerably well as humans" should be translated as "John Ringo regards me with contempt, but I'm not done trying to suck up to him yet."

And then there is, as usual, this: "Pretty sure that’s not the reason as far as regards Beale. I think his problem is straight-up envy."

Mm-hmmm. Keep telling yourself that, Johnny. Perhaps one day you'll even start to believe it.

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Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 9:08 AM  

Come on, Vox, you know it's straight-up envy of Scalzi's lawn that drives you. Fess up.

Blogger bob k. mando May 02, 2015 9:18 AM  

i thought it was envy of Scalzi's Lawn Allergy. am i getting confuse again?

and how funny is that? Scalzi spends all this time bragging on the internet about how big his yard is, AND HE'S ALLERGIC TO THE DAMN THING.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 02, 2015 9:19 AM  

It's always amusing to find out which way Scalzi is facing on any given day.

Admittedly it helps to have more than one face.

Anonymous Steve May 02, 2015 9:23 AM  

I think his problem is straight-up envy.

Seems implausible. If you're going to envy someone, why would you envy the author of Redshirts? Why not someone who is phenomenally successful, like JK Rowling or even Jim Butcher, or someone who is celebrated for their literary genius, like Cormac McCarthy or Harlan Ellison?

On the other hand, I think it's plausible that Scalzi has penis envy. Everything he says drips of bitchery and snark. It's like listening to the acid tongue of a particularly prissy eunuch.

Blogger Rantor May 02, 2015 9:33 AM  

I can't imagine VD being envious of someone who can't outlift his daughter... I hve a feeling his wife can outlift him.

I would like to know, can he lift his wife? One of my rules of life, never marry a woman you can't carry across the threshold, and if needed, up a flight of stairs.

Anonymous fish May 02, 2015 9:43 AM  

Ms. Weisskopf’s unilateral attempt to establish fans of her publishing house as the One True Church, with Heinlein as its graven image, is flat out wrong. Not only are they not the One True Church, they don’t even get Robert Heinlein to themselves. They have to timeshare him with me and with many other fans who love his work, see him as an influence, and at the same time are happy to welcome anyone who wants to be part of the science fiction and fantasy community into the fold, no matter how they got there. Try to take Robert Heinlein from me, guys. See where that gets you. He’s not yours alone. You can’t gatekeep him from me.


What the hell is this supposed to mean?

Scalzis prose always looks like it's been disgorged from the worlds worst "John Scalzi Generator". A living self parody.


see: http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/

Blogger Russell May 02, 2015 9:46 AM  

Scalzi becomes more of a teenage girl. Hilarity ensues.

Folks, this is what happens when a male lets his t-levels drop. Whatever weaknesses in mind and body he already has are intensified.

Anonymous Giuseppe May 02, 2015 9:47 AM  

Documenting these scum and setting them on fire with the truth of their own hypocritical words is noble work.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 02, 2015 9:49 AM  

For Science can we test the T levels of the gammas?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 02, 2015 9:49 AM  

For Science can we test the T levels of the gammas?

Blogger Zimri May 02, 2015 9:59 AM  

Envy would imply that Vox and Scalzi are playing for the same market. I might see it in terms of blog / political audience - on SCALZI's side. On the side of fiction, their works are too different. It's not like me trying to decide if I want to read Eddings or Feist for my post-Tolkien fix.

Who's VD's competition? Donaldson?

Blogger Jeff Weimer May 02, 2015 9:59 AM  

A textbook case of projection: Toni was proclaiming Henlein as an inspiration, and not trying to deny him to anyone else. Which, incidentally, is EXACTLY what he and his SJW ilk are trying to do with the Hugos by employing "No Award".

Anonymous TUSigmaIan May 02, 2015 10:15 AM  

"Keep telling yourself that, Johnny. Perhaps one day you'll even start to believe it."
Pretty sure he already does.

Anonymous TUSigmaIan May 02, 2015 10:16 AM  

@Mr.MantraMan
I don't think we have technology capable of measuring T levels that re that low.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 10:25 AM  

And hows come their side gets to decide who true fans are and ours doesn't?

Anonymous The other robot May 02, 2015 10:26 AM  

When all they care about is diversity you know they are unable to think:

In Wright's hands Queequeeg remains firmly a noble savage with no depth of characterization at all. One person of color in the story and that's what Wright goes for. That's how the Pathetic puppies increase diversity.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 10:31 AM  

If you keep throwing the written records of what Scalzi's said back in his face, he might nuke his entire blog and try to start over. I wouldn't be surprised if he's legally changed his name by the end, or a religious convert of some kind.

Anonymous Time Traveler May 02, 2015 10:38 AM  

A few points that need clarification:

Recently author Vox Day has been taking a lot of flack from all over the internet. Certainly some of it is deserved - I'm no more a fan of Rabid Puppies 3 than I was of Rabid Puppies 1 and 2 - but a few points worth considering:

1. There were certainly *some* sort of campaigns going on in the past. I was never involved, personally, but I openly admit to 'pimping' my own works here (not the same as a slate, but you can see how things take off!) and others have been a little more forward of pushing themselves and their friends. Even my former associates at Tor were not 100% dirt-free in this regard.

2. But is that bad? I'd say not. My goal - and Mr. Day will certainly concede this, he's quoted me enough on the matter - has been that everyone should bring as many voters to the table, the more the merrier. More voters who enjoy spaceship boom!boom!pew!pew! ? Great! More voters who enjoy paranormal romance with Venetian beauties? Fantastic! Have a book that pushes our societies boundaries that you and you friends want to support? Awesome! While slates aren't *ideal*, anything that increases the fanbase is a "good thing" (TM).

3. At the end of the day we're all in the same boat here. It's SCIENCE FICTION, aka A/V, chess club, academic team, model UN... all sitting at the same table and fighting over which end is the 'cool kids'. Let's all just respect that we have out own preferences but at the end of the day, we're more alike than not. And if one day a year we come together and have a friendly battle over whose 'side' is the 'best' work of the year... well, let's just enjoy it. Tor has great books. Baen has great books. I'm sure I'm going to shock a few "Ilk" that even we Gamma Rabbits have enjoyed a tale or two from Castalia House.

4. Does that mean we agree on everything? No, absolutely not. If we did, we wouldn't be Science Fiction fans in the first place... we're kinda non-conformist by our nature. There are things that Vox Day disagrees with me on. There are many things that I certainly disagree with Vox Day about. But that's not what worldcon, or the Hugo Awards are about: they are about awarding the best under our big tent of fandom. And hey, look at the silver lining. So puppy authors go to the con, maybe they are on a panel. Go hear them, go talk to them. Show them that our side is perfectly reasonable, normal people just like theirs. Bridge the gap. Explain why have a gay character of a female leader or a person of color isn't just SJW window dressing, but can enhance the story. How could Amorr's civil war have been averted if they had integrated their minorities? Mr. Day says he's open to rational discourse, so rational discourse away!

5. As usual, I'll be moderating a thread like this pretty closely. Keep it civil. And if anyone over at Baen, Ace, or Springfield Highschool Creative Writing Club wanders by, my contact information is under the 'about' tab.


~ John Scalzi, May 1, 2017

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 02, 2015 10:44 AM  

The original Star Trek was inspirational dissent now this shit like Scalzis screed above this post is crappy propaganda

Blogger maniacprovost May 02, 2015 10:46 AM  

Sounds like Scalzi, but without the underlying bitterness. Well played.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 10:47 AM  

~ John Scalzi, May 1, 2017

He wrote from the future? That dude is effin' awesome!

Blogger Zimri May 02, 2015 10:47 AM  

"So puppy authors go to the con, maybe they are on a panel. Go hear them, go talk to them."

... until they're canceled out because of a "fire drill":
http://www.reaxxion.com/8310/gamergate-bar-meetup-disrupted-by-bomb-threats

Blogger bob k. mando May 02, 2015 11:11 AM  

The other robot May 02, 2015 10:26 AM
When all they care about is diversity you know they are unable to think:



i like how in the comment thread they think comparing Wright to Frank Miller is supposed to be some sort of insult.

Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 11:34 AM  

[The Hugos are] not yours alone. You can’t gatekeep [them] from [us].

There. Fixed it.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 11:41 AM  

SJW's always lie?

Making absolute statements is always a silly idea. (Yes, always.)

Blogger Daniel May 02, 2015 11:47 AM  

But do you envy his lawn mower?

Blogger Vox May 02, 2015 11:54 AM  

SJW's always lie? Making absolute statements is always a silly idea. (Yes, always.)

It's always cute to see rhetoricals attempt to pass off pseudo-dialectic as the real thing.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 11:56 AM  

@Owen T. Oloren
It is the Second Law of Social Justice - As immutable and constant as anything physical or mathematical

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:01 PM  

But if you state that equality does not exist among humans, and use a simplistic example such as lack of Asian membership among NFL players, then you also cannot espouse beliefs that "SJWs always lie". If I can even find one example of an SJW telling the truth, then your statement falls apart.

Unless I don't understand what an SJW is. What's your definition?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 12:09 PM  

Any definition of SJW would include: "a liar". They are people who lack morals, principles and a belief in subjective reality. Moreover, they believe the ends justify the means and they alone hold the one true way to do anything and everything. If they ever tell the truth is its by accident or oversight.

Blogger Mint May 02, 2015 12:09 PM  

I don't understand. I thought the argument is Baen, not like the other publishers, does not care what politic the authors lean to as long they write awesome entertaining SF STORIES which may or may not have gay, female or what have you characters.

So why is that in the comments they mention Baen authors (Eric Flint, Bujold) as if they prove something?What, now the straw man is 'manly stories'? Strange.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 12:10 PM  

above objective reality not subjective - drat!

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:17 PM  

@Shut Up Rabbit
If you truly believe that there are people like that (who only tell the truth by accident or oversight), then you have been brainwashed. No such people exist.

You're allowing yourself to dehumanize people to further political ideals. Whether you're doing this by design, or whether you're just being led (ie: brainwashed) in this is unclear.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 02, 2015 12:21 PM  

If I can even find one example of an SJW telling the truth, then your statement falls apart.

Quit being a retarded aspie. We don't do the whole "safe space" thing here.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 12:23 PM  

@ Owen T. Oloren
I meet these people on a daily basis. Tell me again how your narrative trumps my experience.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:24 PM  

Not retarded at all. I was told yesterday that human equality doesn't exist because of multiply many examples. SJW's always lie is the "retarded" statement here. Show me an SJW, and I assert that it's possible to get truth from him.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 12:25 PM  

If you truly believe that there are people like that (who only tell the truth by accident or oversight), then you have been brainwashed. No such people exist.

Of course they exist and anyone mildly observant can see them every day. You have no argument.

Blogger Rantor May 02, 2015 12:26 PM  

Saw the GG meetup in DC late Friday evening... would've loved to join if I saw it earlier. SJW bomb threat will be investigated by FBI according to what I read... looking forward to SJW perp walk

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 12:26 PM  

SJW's always lie is the "retarded" statement here.

Then disprove it.

Or shut up.

Anonymous The other robot May 02, 2015 12:27 PM  

But if you state that equality does not exist among humans, and use a simplistic example such as lack of Asian membership among NFL players,

Why is it simplistic? What about Asians among the top sprinters in the world?

Blogger Vox May 02, 2015 12:27 PM  

Not retarded at all. I was told yesterday that human equality doesn't exist because of multiply many examples. SJW's always lie is the "retarded" statement here. Show me an SJW, and I assert that it's possible to get truth from him.

You are retarded. Or you are lying. You're pretending to be unable to distinguish rhetoric from dialectic.

"SJWs always lie" is both rhetoric and a heuristic. If information comes from an SJW, your default position should be to assume that it is false unless proven otherwise.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 12:28 PM  

>If you truly believe that there are people like that (who only tell the truth by accident or oversight), then you have been brainwashed. No such people exist.

See, that's what I keep telling people about schizophrenia. Doesn't exist! That's why I never take my meds.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 12:31 PM  

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Huh, what? Did I nod off again? Must be the bourbon.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 12:37 PM  

Bloody sophists - I preferred it when Vox used to throw them to the sharks. OK, lets do this:

Yes OTO (we get it) a person described as an SJW may sometimes tell the truth in mundane topics such as what they had for dinner or did they wipe their bum bum after a poo poo but, unlike normal people, for them the truth is not something to aspire too.

Where as a normal person will live life and speak based on the reality of the situation and the truth, an SJW will decide what they say based on how it supports their narrative which is not based in reality. They may occasionally tell the truth but it is not intentional it is merely because they have no reasons to lie at that particular moment.

The second Law of Social Justice; SJWs always lie, formalizes the provable fact that one identified as an SJW is always prepared to lie at any instant because the truth is not something they value and it is secondary to their narrative.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 02, 2015 12:38 PM  

Aspie gonna aspie. Troll gonna troll.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 02, 2015 12:39 PM  

I wonder if Owen can prove human equality exists?

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 12:43 PM  

The second Law of Social Justice; SJWs always lie, formalizes the provable fact that one identified as an SJW is always prepared to lie at any instant because the truth is not something they value and it is secondary to their narrative.

Boom. Owned.

I wonder if Owen can prove human equality exists?

He'll probably come up with something like on the sub-atomic level we're all just a bunch of quarks and hence equal. QED.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:45 PM  

So rhetoric allows me to make sweeping generalizations about people that allow groupthinkers to dehumanize them? Because everything is always black-and-white, and the spectrum doesn't exist, so it's us-vs-them, and they have to be wrong. Or lying. Or mentally deficient.

Sorry, Vox, I'm not retarded and I'm not lying. If you're spouting diatribes like that, then you appear to be the one with the agenda.

And your name, Vox Dei, seems to be a pretty big hint, doesn't it?

Blogger Daniel May 02, 2015 12:49 PM  

Yes, dumbass. Nice tells by the way SJoWen.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 12:49 PM  

And your name, Vox Dei,
Goddam, Mr Crowley OTO can't even read! I've wasted all that typing for something that can't even read!

Anonymous Jack Amok May 02, 2015 12:49 PM  

Owen, why is the example of a lack of Asians in the NFL simplistic?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:50 PM  

Human equality doesn't exist if you consider physical attributes. But how could it?

Neither does it exist if you consider the social impact on a person.

But when you step away from the individual and apply your generalizations to a group, then you are selling their humanity short.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:52 PM  

@Shut Up Rabbit

Name-calling? Is that the height of your argument? I'm illiterate? So much for sophistry.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:54 PM  

If referring to Vox Day as "Vox Dei" is a sign that I cannot read, then you're taking issues with two letters. What then will we make of Vox's references to Scalzi as McRapey? Is Vox illiterate, or is name-calling a useful tool in his political arguments?

Anonymous Jack Amok May 02, 2015 12:55 PM  

Answer the question Owen. Why is it a simplistic example?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 12:55 PM  

But when you step away from the individual and apply your generalizations to a group, then you are selling their humanity short.

Not when they have knowingly chosen to join a group that dehumanizes them and reduces them to ciphers - then you are merely observing a fact.

Anonymous Nathan May 02, 2015 12:55 PM  

The name "Vox Day" really does serve as an intelligence test.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:56 PM  

Are there any tells in the name Daniel? Hmm... rearrange to Denial?

Blogger ajw308 May 02, 2015 12:56 PM  

If I can even find one example of an SJW telling the truth, then your statement falls apart.
Telling the truth, once or twice, does not make one honest. I'm sure Scalzi's told the truth, occasionally, or at least a partial truth. It doesn't make him believable to those seeking honesty.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 12:57 PM  

If referring to Vox Day as "Vox Dei" is a sign that I cannot read...
Yes, it absolutely is.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:57 PM  

How did you score Nathan? Supposedly the "Voice of Theo"? Doesn't really work out that well, does it?

This is a better pun, and more faithfully constructed in language. Vocem Canis. Follow that from Latin to English and see if you get the pun.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 12:58 PM  

And your name, Vox Dei, seems to be a pretty big hint, doesn't it?

Owen, you moron. Get on the short bus.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:59 PM  

I did answer the question, Amok. You'd have to be stupid to argue equality based on physical structure of the human body. You don't even need to consider different races, just consider different genders.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:00 PM  

@Harsh.

I thought this was the forum for making rational arguments and not getting emotionally compromised.

Calling me a moron and telling me to get on the short bus doesn't provide any facts that support your stance.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 1:01 PM  

What then will we make of Vox's references to Scalzi as McRapey?
Personally, I see it as calling out McRapey on his claim to be a rapist while recognizing the fact that he isn't (lack of upper body strength for one thing) and making it all a joke with the prefix "Mc". What's your take?

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 1:03 PM  

@Harsh.

I thought this was the forum for making rational arguments and not getting emotionally compromised.

Calling me a moron and telling me to get on the short bus doesn't provide any facts that support your stance.


Stop talking like a little girl.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 1:03 PM  

just consider different genders
You want to discuss linguistics when you can't even read English? You're persistent, I'll give you that.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:07 PM  

@Harsh

I think it's time for you to get backup. You're resorting to insults that I've not heard since third grade.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:08 PM  

@Shut Up Rabbit

Writing "Vox Dei" doesn't mean that I cannot read English. I guess I should switch to VD, as everybody else does. But I thought referring to my host as an STD might be unwise.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 1:10 PM  

insults that I've not heard since third grade.
Being bullied at school seems to be a defining characteristic of SJWs, along with always lying.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 1:10 PM  

Supposedly the "Voice of Theo"? Doesn't really work out that well, does it?

It makes perfect sense if you know the real name of Vox Day.

This is a better pun, and more faithfully constructed in language. Vocem Canis. Follow that from Latin to English and see if you get the pun.

Someone figured out how to use Google. I was wrong, you're not a complete moron.

Anonymous Geoff May 02, 2015 1:11 PM  

The SJW world view isn't based in reality. Therefore, lying is compulsory.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 1:12 PM  

Writing "Vox Dei" doesn't mean that I cannot read English.

Well, when its written Vox Day on the actual page its hard to believe.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:13 PM  

So "always assume an SJW is lying" can change to "SJWs always lie"? Because rhetoric.

And that's not a big lie in itself?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:15 PM  

@Shut Up Rabbit

"Writing "Vox Dei" doesn't mean that I cannot read English."

"Well, when its written Vox Day on the actual page its hard to believe."

The thing about evidence is that, when it's there, you have to believe it. I read English. And if Scalzi = Johnny Con, then Vox Day = Vox Dei.

Blogger Edd Jobs May 02, 2015 1:17 PM  

Owen, who is the most truthful SJW you can think of?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:17 PM  

@Shut Up Rabbit

Being bullied at school? I didn't say I was bullied at school. I said I heard insults like that at school. Sorry I wasn't clear, as I didn't want it to be difficult to read. I chose English when I wrote it, in fact.

So is this bullying happening right now, then? Since Harsh was using the same insults, right?

Blogger Edd Jobs May 02, 2015 1:17 PM  

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Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 1:18 PM  

Owen T. Oloren, you are so lost. Yes, it's the short bus for you.

Anonymous Anonymous May 02, 2015 1:18 PM  

Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:59 PM
... just consider different genders.
[sic]

You need a dictionary, Sweetums.

harry12

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:18 PM  

@Edd

I'm new here, and I don't know of a single SJW. Do you have any names?

Blogger Danby May 02, 2015 1:18 PM  

Owen, you ignorant slut.....

Honest to God, man, keep your pants on. No-one's impressed.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 02, 2015 1:19 PM  

And so we come full-circle: SJWs always lie.

Thank you all for watching this demonstration of the immutable 2nd law of Social Justice.
Goodnight.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 1:19 PM  

@Owen

You're digging yourself deeper in the hole and proving that you're a Gamma retard with no clue, so here's my advice: shut up and stop what you're doing, read the FAQ, then come back, apologize and stop using rhetorical arguments. All will be good and you'll get some respect.

Otherwise you'll keep getting what you deserve.

Anonymous Nathan May 02, 2015 1:21 PM  

So you get the derivation, see the pseudonym on the top of the page, and still insist on a sophistic misspelling. Speaker for Dogs, you do know how to undermine your own argument.

Blogger Danby May 02, 2015 1:22 PM  

C'mon Owen, post some more, this is grea!.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence May 02, 2015 1:22 PM  

"sweeping generalizations about people that allow groupthinkers to dehumanize them"
Luckily no dehumanization is taking place so this really is not an issue.

I don't understand your point.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:22 PM  

A dictionary? Please share your enlightened understanding.

Blogger Vox May 02, 2015 1:26 PM  

So rhetoric allows me to make sweeping generalizations about people that allow groupthinkers to dehumanize them?

Of course. Haven't you read Aristotle's RHETORIC?

Blogger Danby May 02, 2015 1:26 PM  

gender is an attribute of words in declined languages
sex is an attribute of vertebrates

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:27 PM  

I'll read the FAQ as I'd hate to be a (shudders in dread) "gamma retard". Meanwhile, carry on with a properly maudlin discussion and think of some new names to use when I return. I'd hate to think that if name-calling is your thing that you'd run out of good ones too quickly.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:29 PM  

@Danby
Thanks Danby. I've seen gender and sex used interchangeably so frequently that I've picked up the habit.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 1:30 PM  

No Vox, I haven't read Aristotle.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 1:31 PM  

I'd hate to think that if name-calling is your thing that you'd run out of good ones too quickly.

I figured that would be your reaction. But don't let it be said that Harsh never gave a Gamma a chance to up his game. Also, if you understand that arguments here are generally reciprocal in their tone, you'll understand why calling me a name-caller is amusing.

Anonymous Statists are so dull May 02, 2015 1:31 PM  

Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head?
Oh, Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead?
Your life style to me seemed so tragic


cf OTO

Anonymous fish May 02, 2015 1:35 PM  

" Owen T. Oloren" has had a Blogger profile for a day and a half.

You're probably arguing with Andrew again. Shouldn't somebody inform his minder?

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 1:37 PM  

You're probably arguing with Andrew again. Shouldn't somebody inform his minder?

Could be but Owen seems a little more intelligent than Andrew.

Blogger Danby May 02, 2015 1:38 PM  

He hasn't brought up Spacebunny or stalking yet, so it's not likely Yama. It's not obviously gay yet, so it's not likely Tad.

Blogger Poor Guy May 02, 2015 1:39 PM  

SJW's lie. Even when they are telling the truth or trying to sound reasonable (if you ignore everything else they said before) they are lying. To an SJW they will use the truth to disarm their intended victims before going for the kill. If an SJW says we should all just get along and calls for a group hug, you know he/she/it is going to be stabbing someone in the back.

Another hallmark of the SJW (as with all leftists) is that they exempt themselves from the rules they demand of everyone else. There are just far too many examples of that.

Anonymous fish May 02, 2015 1:41 PM  

Could be but Owen seems a little more intelligent than Andrew.

Seems pretty much just as intelligent....which is sad.

OT: The future...not just "Bigger and Blacker" but dumber, fatter, and much louder!

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/01/victory-rally-planned-for-saturday-in-baltimore/


No Juftus.....no Peef!


Blogger Vox May 02, 2015 1:44 PM  

No Vox, I haven't read Aristotle.

Then you're not equipped to discuss the difference between dialectic and rhetoric. I suggest you do so. If you comprehend it, it will answer your questions.

Blogger bob k. mando May 02, 2015 1:47 PM  

you guys have been begging for a better class of troll.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 02, 2015 1:50 PM  

So it is simplistic to notice there are differences between races (and even between men and women!) but it is sophisticated to pretend to ignore them.

Tell me Owen, in your opinion, should Affirmative Action and other so-called anti-discrimination laws exist, or should we repeal them?

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 1:51 PM  

you guys have been begging for a better class of troll.

We need to assign an official Devil's Advocate from the Ilk just so we get some interesting arguments.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 2:01 PM  

OT: Hugo voting opened yesterday for anyone who missed the news.

Blogger Steffen May 02, 2015 2:11 PM  

Owen, on the unlikely chance you are legitimately interested in conversing with the ilk, I would suggest reading through past comment threads before continuing.

Trolls are commonplace, and the things you are attempting to discuss have been hashed out here repeatedly over the years. The namecalling is due to the regulars' pattern recognition and accepted shorthand for concepts used amongst themselves. They easily lose patience with those who are unfamiliar.

Blogger Russell May 02, 2015 2:12 PM  

Dammit, Owen, I gave explicit directions on how to survive around here and you ignored my advice.

Now there's blood, Owen, your blood, in the water and the sharks can sense it!

Ah well. Such is life. Dialectic trumps rhetoric. Some people serve only as an amusing warning for those whose eyes can see.

Blogger Daniel May 02, 2015 2:16 PM  

Owen, you haven't read Aristotle because you can't read Aristotle. Aristotle says so.

Blogger Danby May 02, 2015 2:27 PM  

Damn, he seems to have retreated. Perhaps it's only temporarily.

Anonymous AlteredFate May 02, 2015 2:29 PM  

Here, Owen you'll need this to keep digging...(hands him a new shovel)... Your old one is getting wore out

Anonymous ZT May 02, 2015 2:35 PM  

Slightly OT: #talkpay is going strong on twitter but I have notice they are pretty much all female SJW types...

Blogger bob k. mando May 02, 2015 2:41 PM  

i'm sure many of you think i tend to fly off the handle a bit quickly on some of the fib-libs who show up over here.

otoh, this is a direct quote from Owen in the previous thread:
Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 12:33 PM
Yes, my comments were antagonistic and will likely continue to be. Yes, my reference to Vox was a barb, not an unintentional misspelling. But no, I'm actually not trying to trigger emotions here


so, openly antagonistic and insulting, simultaneously pretends not to be able to understand why anyone should take offense to that.

claims to have substantive problems with positions that Vox takes ( they "repulse" him ) ... but REFUSES to state what those problematic positions are.

you all can make up your own minds.

i had him pegged two posts in.

SJWs always lie.

so, something more edifying, Anna Cherry cosplaying Vivian James:
https://twitter.com/Zanamaru/status/589193992249614336/photo/1

Blogger Danby May 02, 2015 2:49 PM  

@Bob
Also in the previous thread, I asked him to specify what objectionable thing vox had said. His response was "It's unfair!"
Not "it's untrue", which would be pertinent.
Not "it's misleading", which would be pertinent.
"It's unfair! Reality is unfair!"

Blogger Tommy Hass May 02, 2015 2:50 PM  

You guys being a dick to our autistically challenged fellow here.

I am also shocked that I didn't get how Vox Day is actually a great pun instead of a lazy one.

I thought, "yeah Theos = God, but Theodore =/= Theos so what gives?" Then I thoughtTheodore means "voice of God" but it means "gift of God".

I made the mistake of failing to differentiate between Deus and Dei. Deus in Greek is Theos. Dei in Greek is Theo. (or Theou)

I mean I know some Greek words, but can you expect a guy who hasn't studied Ancient Greek to know the fucking declensions? Lol.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 02, 2015 3:22 PM  

i had him pegged two posts in.

Yes you did, well done. I knew by then that he was a 'tarded SJW with an overly high regard for his own cleverness who was going to dodge from one incoherent position to another instead of debating honestly, but It took 4-5 comments before I knew he was pure troll.

Thing is, a stupid leftist who thinks he's going to win the argument can be useful, because he'll actually stand and fight and give you something to work with as you explain reality. You probably won't change his mind, but he'll provide you a canvas on which to teach others. A troll, on the other hand, won't stand still long enough for that, so he provides no value at all except some short-lived entertainment. There's always hope that we're dealing with the former, but it never seems to pan out.

Blogger Danby May 02, 2015 3:33 PM  

I dunno. He seems to value his own opinion of himself quite highly, and pride is one of the few things that can actually break through the SJW armor against ideas, since pride is often at the root of the syndrome. If we can wound his pride enough to get him to think.....
Never mind.

"Being a “social justice warrior” means I get to read (and incidentally, vote for on award ballots) what I want, rather than waiting to be told by someone else what I should like and what I shouldn’t."
- John Scalzi, 1 May 2015


"I get to want what I'm told I should want! I get to like what the warren likes" is probably closer to the truth.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 3:35 PM  

You guys being a dick to our autistically challenged fellow here.

Guilty. What's your point?

Blogger John Wright May 02, 2015 4:09 PM  

"In Wright's hands Queequeeg remains firmly a noble savage with no depth of characterization at all. One person of color in the story and that's what Wright goes for. That's how the Pathetic puppies increase diversity."

These people are batshit crazy. He read my story, and THAT is what he got out of it? Queequeg is awesome, therefore the alleged attempt of the author to fill out a diversity quota fails, because having a black character from a classic novel is not enough.

The idea that I liked the character because I liked him, because he was an awesome character, cannot enter their stegosaurus sized brains. With theses freakish SJW racists, racemongers, and race-baiters it is is just colored people with colored skins. That is all they see. Not humans.

What, no comment about Blackbeard the Pirate? Pirates are an oppressed minority too! And John Kennedy was a Catholic! Aren't Catholics an oppressed minority? And Irish! Don't tell me the Irish were not oppressed!!

Cthulhu, arise soon amid the dark waters of Rlyeh! The madness you bring will seem wholesome compared to this!

Blogger bob k. mando May 02, 2015 4:14 PM  

Tommy Hass May 02, 2015 2:50 PM
You guys being a dick to our autistically challenged fellow here.



he's not autistic, he's narcissistic.

and he's a direct result of the Self Esteem / Special Snowflake method of pedagogy.

he's been raised his entire life to believe that HIS opinions and HIS 'happiness' are paramount and that he need not have any consideration or concern for anyone else.

notice that he keeps asserting variations on 'dissent is not permitted here'.

who here has told him that he is not allowed to hold an opinion?

who here has told him that he's not allowed to feel any way he wants about any issue he wants?

who here has told him that he is not permitted to use his own judgment?

the problem is that the little queen came mincing in here demanding that WE afford him all respect and consideration at the same time that he is openly insulting everyone and impugning their judgment.

what evidence or reasoning does he provide for what he thinks? or for what he feels? or why those purely internal problems of his should trump your reasoning? why should he have too? don't you know he's Thpethial?

Blogger John Wright May 02, 2015 4:16 PM  

"If you truly believe that there are people like that (who only tell the truth by accident or oversight), then you have been brainwashed. No such people exist."

I should send you my email exchange with a man who told me objective reality did not exist and that no one was honesty, including not he himself.

You are naive. Such people not only exist, the philosophical nihilism they represent is the default metaphysics of our society, and it is the overwhelming majority view of academia, the courts of law, the entertainment industry, the press. If you have not seen countless affirmations of these principles, it is because you have not been looking. Everyone who refers to reality as 'a narrative' is in this camp, everyone who promotes 'diversity' on the grounds that no one knows the truths of skin colors other than his own accepts the unspoken premise of polylogism, subjectivism, whim-worship, the idea that reality is plastic and subjective.

Blogger John Wright May 02, 2015 4:20 PM  

"just consider different genders."

He is illiterate. 'Genders' refers to the word endings in declined languages. He means 'Sexes'.

Blogger bob k. mando May 02, 2015 4:21 PM  

John Wright May 02, 2015 4:09 PM
Cthulhu, arise soon amid the dark waters of Rlyeh! The madness you bring will seem wholesome compared to this!



weird. i would never have taken the estimable Mr. John C. Wright as a fan of Tool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGdoqsuiN8

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 4:22 PM  

so, openly antagonistic and insulting, simultaneously pretends not to be able to understand why anyone should take offense to that.

Pretty much nail on the head there, bob. Owen came in here spoiling for a fight but was shocked when we gave him one. Oops.

i'm sure many of you think i tend to fly off the handle a bit quickly on some of the fib-libs who show up over here.

Nah, you're tough but fair.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 02, 2015 4:31 PM  

it is just colored people with colored skins. That is all they see. Not humans.

That is the fact of the matter. They can go on and on about treating people like individuals, but at the end of the day, they're the ones who want to know how many black people you've hired.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 4:31 PM  

There is no Owen T Oloren! They've been giving me schizo meds to keep me from bringing you these truthez!

WAKE UP THE MATRIX IS THE LIMITS OF YOUR IMAGINATION

(No, I haven't actually gone full crazy yet :-P. I'm performing a reductio ad absurdum.)

Blogger bob k. mando May 02, 2015 4:32 PM  

Harsh May 02, 2015 4:22 PM
Nah, you're tough but fair.



damn. i don't even get too 'harsh'?

i'm going to have to start raving about 'Skulls for the Skull Throne' again.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 02, 2015 4:33 PM  

Good God, he is not a "naricssist" or a troll, he's an overly literal minded goon. These things are not alike at all.

Blogger bob k. mando May 02, 2015 4:34 PM  

Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 4:31 PM
WAKE UP THE MATRIX IS THE LIMITS OF YOUR IMAGINATION


you know, i think you may almost be ready to be inducted into next level of gnosis ...

http://timecube.com/

Blogger IM2L844 May 02, 2015 4:34 PM  

These people are batshit crazy.

For whom the Beal tolls.

Blogger Danby May 02, 2015 4:55 PM  

@Tommy
"Good God, he is not a "naricssist" or a troll, he's an overly literal minded goon. These things are not alike at all."

You say that like they are exclusive things.

He's a narcissistic troll whose autistic line of attack is being overly literal.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:00 PM  

@John Wright

Is it really necessary to resort to such polarizations? If I do not speak entirely correctly according to your customs, then I must necessarily be illiterate?

Why must everything be grouped into two categories? Us vs them? We intelligent few versus those undesirable retards.

The only thing is that even here there's a spectrum. If every so-called "SJW" disappeared tomorrow, having been transported off-world by alien intervention, then the Night of the Long Knives would take place, because there's a few regulars here that would suddenly be the new SJWs, being in the moderate range of the spectrum.

But keep thinking that everything fits neatly into two distinct categories, and only two distinct categories. And have the "ilk" continue to argue by using epithets such as 'tard, autistic narcissist, queen, little girl, etc.

Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 5:01 PM  

Owen came in here spoiling for a fight but was shocked when we gave him one. Oops.

When you go to a SJW site, spoiling for a fight, and start trashing them - you get banned.

OpenID luagha May 02, 2015 5:03 PM  

"If every so-called "SJW" disappeared tomorrow, having been transported off-world by alien intervention, then the Night of the Long Knives would take place, because there's a few regulars here that would suddenly be the new SJWs, being in the moderate range of the spectrum."

No. You are wrong. Intelligent people know how to disagree on matters of opinion.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:09 PM  

@luagha
That's what I'm doing here. Disagreeing on matters of opinion. How's it going so far?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:11 PM  

@Salt

Whom among you did I trash? Vox Dei? What derogatory remarks have I made? Fear the voice of dissent, ilk. Hang on to your relics, and repeat the mantras. "SJWs always lie... SJWs always lie..."

OpenID luagha May 02, 2015 5:14 PM  

"How's it going so far?"

Poorly! Try telling us your opinion on the relative merits of the Glock handgun in 9mm (model your choice) versus the 1911 style in .45. Consider it a basic exercise.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 5:15 PM  

Whom among you did I trash? Vox Dei? What derogatory remarks have I made? Fear the voice of dissent, ilk. Hang on to your relics, and repeat the mantras. "SJWs always lie... SJWs always lie..."

Gamma's gotta gamma. Now tell us how the hierarchy is a sham and the only Alpha is the upstanding gentleman like yourself who dares to "keep it real". No, go ahead. We haven't heard that one before.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:25 PM  

@luagha
Sorry, I'm not knowledgeable whatsoever about handguns. I'm here because the thread said "SJWs always lie", and I don't know any person for whom that is accurate (at least in a literal way).

That's the discussion. Is it a valid belief? Or is it a convenient catch-phrase that bolsters loyalty in gang-mentality fashion?

Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 5:27 PM  

@ Owen T. Oloren - Whom among you did I trash? Vox Dei? What derogatory remarks have I made?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trash

I'll let you attempt to understand my usage.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:31 PM  

@Salt

Attempt to understand this one:

If you're not part of the solution, then you are in fact the precipitate. (In this case, Salt)

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 5:34 PM  

It's no wonder guys like Owen get bullied in school. They're incapable of listening.

OpenID luagha May 02, 2015 5:37 PM  

So, you admit that you lack knowledge in a very basic area of self defense that any adult male should have knowledge of. It shouldn't be surprising to you that you lack knowledge in many of the areas discussed here. Claiming that you have knowledge of any kind of discourse or any fact whatsoever is a bad idea if you can't answer the first possible question about firearms.

I suggest you begin with looking up the Four Rules Of Firearms Safety, just for your personal eludication. It'll be faster than waiting for you to read Aristotle's RHETORIC, though you should be able to get a worthwhile summation of that anywhere.


Anonymous pdimov May 02, 2015 5:43 PM  

I'm here because the thread said "SJWs always lie", and I don't know any person for whom that is accurate (at least in a literal way).

Of course it's not true in a literal way. You can deduce the truth from the statements of a person that always lies - you just invert what he says.

- when a person who always tells the truth says X, you can conclude that X
- when a person who always lies says X, you can conclude ~X
- when a SJW says X, you can't conclude anything about X.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 5:44 PM  

Owen,

Speaking as a fellow neurotypically challenged person, I have friendly advice!

1. Understand that you don't understand.
2. Stop trying to win a game you don't understand.
3. Lurk. Watch. Observe. Learn the rules.
4. Start over with a new pseudonym and perspective.
5. Profit!

If it helps, imagine you're on an alien planet, where the aliens' brains are silicon-based and therefore are different in ways you wouldn't expect. After a while, start noticing general patterns and...viola!

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:44 PM  

@luagha

Considering a few others here called me autistic and retarded, and assuming you value their opinions (admittedly maybe a stretch there), I'd have to question your wisdom in encouraging me to investigate firearms.

Certainly, if there was somebody about whom I'm considering that they might be mentally deficient, my first bit of advice wouldn't be "why don't you go do some research on guns".

If I'm too stupid to debate the fact that "SJWs always lie" is a falsehood effectively with you, then do you really want me holding a gun as well?

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 5:46 PM  

Owen, have you ever greeted a woman with the phrase, "Hello, m'lady"?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:46 PM  

@pdimov

OK. Let's try it. I'll play the role of an SJW. (I'm acting... I don't even know an SJW.)

"Hi. I'm an SJW. My name is Owen T. Oloren. Everything I say is an utter lie."

How many falsehoods did the above set of statements contain? Is it true that "SJWs always lie"? (Although I admit that this exercise is flawed because I don't consider myself an SJW, but this was acting, after all.)

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:48 PM  

@Aeoli Pera
Thanks for the advice. I'm hoping that you sense that I'm not a troll, and that I do actually think for myself, and while I may not be the most intelligent person in any group, I am capable of analytical thinking.

Your advice is good, and I'm thankful for your help.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:49 PM  

@Harsh

"Hello m'lady"

That was my first time greeting somebody in that manner. Thanks for the suggestion, m'lady.

Blogger John Wright May 02, 2015 5:50 PM  

"Is it really necessary to resort to such polarizations?"

Yes.

"If I do not speak entirely correctly according to your customs, then I must necessarily be illiterate?"

You lie. It is not a custom, but a law of grammar, and the dictionary definition of the word. You are using a word incorrectly because it is popular to use it incorrectly. The is necessarily an error. It is not technically illiterate: that was an exaggeration on my part.

"Why must everything be grouped into two categories?"

Illogical. No one here is claiming that 'everything' must be grouped into two categories: the claim is that 'gender' is an error when used for 'sex'.

The two categories involved are men, who accept correction gracefully, admit that they are wrong when they are wrong, and little girls, who whine and make excuses, and try to ask stupid rhetorical questions to men smarter than they, in order to cast a disqualifying aspersion on the corrector.

In this case, you are trying to disqualify my correction on the grounds that it is divisive, meanypants and polarizing to correct you. The attempt is transparent, and absurd.

"Us vs them? "

No. The division is between honest men like me and dishonest fools like you, who would rather lie than admit you'd made a minor error in wording.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 5:56 PM  

Some good tips from Aeoli
1) Understand that you don't understand.

Absolutely, and admitted. This group has catch-phrases that I've never encountered. Gamma, SJW, etc. You use them as a badge of your superiority over me, but there was a time when they were new to you. I'll take some time to determine if I agree with those terms, because right now they're coming so quickly that it just appears as "gang slang" that helps socialize members and keep them loyal, with a sense of belonging.

2) Stop trying to win.

I guess I'm competitive, but seriously... do you think I'm trying to win? Against all 14 or more of you? I'm making a statement and trying to back it up, and amidst all the cries of "he refuses to spell out his differences" are repeated comments about "short bus" and "moron" and "idiot".

3) Lurk. Watch. Observe

Good advice, but I will never be sycophantic, and I will continue to challenge some commonly held precepts.

4) Start over with a new pseudonym

Why? Nobody has figured out the pun with this name yet.

5) Profit.

Ok... I'll give you a paypal link. Send cash there.

OpenID luagha May 02, 2015 5:57 PM  

You should absolutely investigate firearms. The discipline of firearms knowledge will inspire you to discipline in other areas. It will encourage your growth out of being a retarded aspie. It will ground your knowledge in something real, something that you can control and that responds only to your actions.

This is why Thomas Jefferson said, "Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."

We don't expect you'll shoot yourself or anyone else.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:01 PM  

@John Wright

Thank you for correcting my word usage. Truly, in all of my interactions, I've never been corrected on it before. I was quite honestly laboring under the misconception that these words were actually interchangeable.

Your exaggeration that my error rendered me illiterate was quite extreme, and intended to keep the two categories alive - those that know (and know well), and those that are deficient (and downright moronic). Nothing illogical about that.

Any division between us on honesty is an illusion. I've not said anything dishonest to you, and was quite clear originally that I understood those terms (gender & sex) to be interchangeable.

OpenID kbswift May 02, 2015 6:02 PM  

Vox's explanation of "SJWs always lie" was utterly concise. Yet it was completely wasted on Owen. But I guess what they say is true: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:04 PM  

@luagha

You've taught me more about your character than you've taught me about guns, because I've had to look up the word "aspie".

I guess that's a good measure of your success today. Well done.

Anonymous Harsh May 02, 2015 6:09 PM  

I am capable of analytical thinking.

Stop lying, Owen.

OpenID luagha May 02, 2015 6:10 PM  

I'm a giver!

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:11 PM  

SJWs always lie. Here's John Wright's version of it.

1) I make a statement about gender.
2) Shut up rabbit catches me on it.
3) Anonymous catches me on it
4) I ask why I need a dictionary.
5) Danby explains the distinction between gender and sex.
6) I respond to Danby as follows:
"@Danby
Thanks Danby. I've seen gender and sex used interchangeably so frequently that I've picked up the habit."
7) John Wright comes late to the game and calls me illiterate. He later claims that this was "correction", and that I lied by refusing to accept correction and calling him meanpants.

So John Wright thinks that an exaggeration of calling me illiterate is correction? And that I am not a man because I didn't accept the correction? So therefore I'm dishonest, and he's honest, and he's just... gosh... so much smarter than me.

John Wright either didn't read the whole thread, or he's the one that's dishonest. Which one is it?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:13 PM  

@Harsh

"I am capable of analytical thinking."

"Stop lying, Owen."

Sorry, m'lady, but it is indeed the truth.

OpenID kbswift May 02, 2015 6:13 PM  

@Owen

Yet you didn't bother looking up differences between a 9mm and a .45.
That's a good measure of what you can be expected to learn from this forum.

Have you even bothered to google Rhetoric yet?

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:15 PM  

Sorry, m'lady, but it is indeed the truth.

You've yet to demonstrate analytic thinking in any form. All I've seen is midwit rhetoric and typical Gamma behavior. Prove me wrong.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:17 PM  

Have you even bothered to google Rhetoric yet?

Doubtful. Owen is doing the typical Gamma thing, waving his rhetoric around convinced he's the smartest guy in the room. Sad.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:17 PM  

Have you even bothered to google Rhetoric yet?

Doubtful. Owen is doing the typical Gamma thing, waving his rhetoric around convinced he's the smartest guy in the room. Sad.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:17 PM  

Sorry, m'lady, but it is indeed the truth.

You've yet to demonstrate analytic thinking in any form. All I've seen is midwit rhetoric and typical Gamma behavior. Prove me wrong.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:17 PM  

@kbswift

I've no interest in handguns whatsoever. It's not needed where I live, as everyone is quite civilized and self-defense is not something adults need to worry about.

You can discuss handguns all day long and I won't intrude on your fora. When you say SJWs always lie, then I question it. I'm still questioning it, and all I've got is that "Vox has made it very concise, and Owen just won't listen".

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 02, 2015 6:18 PM  

>Your advice is good, and I'm thankful for your help.

You're welcome. As you say, I suspect that you will come to understand everything that has happened, given enough time.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:18 PM  

It's not needed where I live, as everyone is quite civilized and self-defense is not something adults need to worry about.

Where's Nate when we need him?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:18 PM  

@Harsh

Calm down and relax. You're double-posting, and there's no need for an elevated pulse.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:19 PM  

Sorry for the double posts. Don't know what that's about.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:19 PM  

You're double-posting, and there's no need for an elevated pulse.

(laughs) Gamma.

Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 6:20 PM  

I even gave him a link to try and understand my trash usage. He couldn't be bothered. Want's it spoon fed?

OpenID luagha May 02, 2015 6:21 PM  

"I've no interest in handguns whatsoever. It's not needed where I live, as everyone is quite civilized and self-defense is not something adults need to worry about."

Wow. Just wow.

Well, now we know you don't live in Baltimore.

OpenID kbswift May 02, 2015 6:23 PM  

@Owen
Yet the question I directed explicitly to you which would answer all of you questions about that statement goes unanswered...

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:23 PM  

@Harsh

"smartest guy in the room"? That would be extremely hard in this group. Some very sharp people here. I just tweaked John Wright's nose, and I truthfully don't think I could hold a candle to him even if he were very groggy after an extended 64 hour period without sleep.

But please notice that some of the "smart" people in this room have resorted to name-calling, casting dispersions with the use of derogatory, but silly, terms.

Isn't that exactly what the idiots do on their forum, only with a lesser vocabulary? Do we really have to get in the mud with the pigs?

(oh... but our mud is imported, and our pigs are the finest breed).

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:24 PM  

You're double-posting, and there's no need for an elevated pulse.

By the way, Owen, that's a Gamma tell. Gammas are afraid to make mistakes so they take every opportunity to jump on the smallest mistake their opponents make. I just signed up for a Blogger ID and obviously I was doing something that made me double post. No big deal. You see, I make mistakes, admit it, and then move on. But you're a Gamma boy and don't understand.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:25 PM  

@kbswift

Googled rhetoric? Of course.

Question asked and answered. Was that helpful?

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:25 PM  

But please notice that some of the "smart" people in this room have resorted to name-calling, casting dispersions with the use of derogatory, but silly, terms.

You came here using rhetoric and were met with rhetoric. It's really that simple. That you continue to try to argue your point shows that you are clueless and beneath contempt. Just apologize and move on.

Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 6:26 PM  

(oh... but our mud is imported, and our pigs are the finest breed)

I actually kinda like that.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:27 PM  

@Harsh
"jump on the smallest mistake their opponents make"

Kind of like "you need a dictionary sweetums" for my gender/sex statement? The one that I thanked Danby for correcting me, and then after John Wright called me illiterate?

Too bad I wasn't signing up for a blogger account when I made that error. It would have been the perfect excuse.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:28 PM  

All right, I'm tired of trying to beat some sense into this idiot. Who's going to tag me out? Where's Alexander?

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:28 PM  

@Salt

I did visit the trash link, but there was nothing profound there. I was really kind of disappointed that you thought I'd see enlightenment there.

Blogger Vox May 02, 2015 6:29 PM  

When you say SJWs always lie, then I question it. I'm still questioning it, and all I've got is that "Vox has made it very concise, and Owen just won't listen".

Why are you still babbling? I already gave you the answer. Go. Read. RHETORIC. That will answer your questions. If you can't bother to do that, you don't really want the answer and you won't be able to understand or accept it anyhow.

Blogger Salt May 02, 2015 6:30 PM  

Well, Owen, you're still being trashed and no one is using derogatory remarks.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:30 PM  

Thanks m'lady for the debate. If you find Alexander, give him my best wishes.

Anonymous pdimov May 02, 2015 6:31 PM  

OK. Let's try it. I'll play the role of an SJW. (I'm acting... I don't even know an SJW.)

"Hi. I'm an SJW. My name is Owen T. Oloren. Everything I say is an utter lie."


"SJWs always lie" is an empirical claim, not a logical claim. You can't disprove it by thought experiments.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 6:33 PM  

Thanks Vox, I'll go read rhetoric. For the sake of expediency, can I read an English translation? I'll be back after I've read it, as I am obviously quite unaware of many things that the group here takes for granted. As has been pointed out, the common understanding of this group is a body of knowledge about which I have very little understanding.

Maybe when I return I'll be a much more agreeable person to the folks here.

OpenID kbswift May 02, 2015 6:36 PM  

@Owen
And what did you learn?
Hint: the right answer is the difference between rhetoric and dialectic

Blogger Cail Corishev May 02, 2015 6:39 PM  

It's too late, "Owen." You're like a guy who gets drunk at the company Christmas party, dances with his pants off while singing Erasure at full volume, and loudly announces that he'll give his boss a blowjob for a raise, then comes to work the next morning trying to look professional and hoping no one remembers.

Not gonna work. Everyone's seen you with your panties on your head.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 02, 2015 6:49 PM  

By the way, people here don't "resort" to name-calling. Sometimes when we realize a person is not interested in or capable of engaging in honest debate, usually due to dishonesty, we switch to name-calling because it's all the person deserves. And because it's fun.

When people debate honestly here, you'll see strong, blunt language, but not schoolyard name-calling.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 6:49 PM  

Thanks m'lady for the debate. If you find Alexander, give him my best wishes.

Nate is the only one allowed to call me "m'lady". But he's too much the southern gentleman to do it most of the time.

Blogger Daniel May 02, 2015 6:50 PM  

Good luck, Owen. Let me know how that works out.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 02, 2015 6:52 PM  

"If every so-called "SJW" disappeared tomorrow, having been transported off-world by alien intervention, then the Night of the Long Knives would take place, because there's a few regulars here that would suddenly be the new SJWs, being in the moderate range of the spectrum."

Even I have long knives & a bayonet for a glock that a boyfriend wanted.

"I've no interest in handguns whatsoever. It's not needed where I live, as everyone is quite civilized and self-defense is not something adults need to worry about." ---------Well, now we know you don't live in Baltimore."

@Owen How far is it to the nearest non-Asian minority neighbor? I fled die verse city to a Whitopia also but still own protection. At least here I wont have to put on a rainbow feather boa & a kilt before the cops show up if I shoot a black breaking into my house. Check out the viral videos from 10-12-13 when the food stamp system went down for 8 hours in 16 states.

Blogger Cee May 02, 2015 6:56 PM  

casting dispersions

[giggling]

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 02, 2015 7:15 PM  

Owen, why is the example of a lack of Asians in the NFL simplistic? Because Asians don't use steroids & PEDS

Show me an SJW, and I assert that it's possible to get truth from him. You have to pull out a tooth to get them to tell the truth.

I thought referring to my host as an STD might be unwise. Real SJWs tell people they are bigots if they don't have sex with guys then know are HIV+.

There are now gay shotgun marriages, only the shotgun is pointed at the clergy & cake bakers.

Blogger rcocean May 02, 2015 7:21 PM  

"For the sake of expediency, can I read an English translation?"

If his previous comments didn't make his trollery obvious to everyone, this one should. Of course, he'll be back and continuing to play dumb and "not understanding" and asking questions.

Blogger rcocean May 02, 2015 7:25 PM  

"For the sake of expediency, can I read an English translation?"

If his previous comments didn't make his trollery obvious to everyone, this one should. Of course, he'll be back and continuing to play dumb and "not understanding" and asking questions.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2015 7:25 PM  

he'll be back and continuing to play dumb

I don't think he's playing.

Anonymous ticticboom May 02, 2015 8:05 PM  

"As has been pointed out, the common understanding of this group is a body of knowledge about which I have very little understanding"

And yet, that hasn't stopped him from showing his ass.

I'm going to make a wild guess and say that Owen has never heard of Epimenides.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 9:30 PM  

@Cee
Thanks for correcting me on "casting aspersions". Another commonly heard misusage that I've picked up.

Blogger Owen T. Oloren May 02, 2015 9:32 PM  

@ticticboom

I guess everybody has priorities, and opportunity cost for trivial information obviously factors in as well. But yes, I don't recall the name, and it's quite likely I'd never heard of Epimenides before you mentioned him.

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