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Tuesday, May 19, 2015

SJWs eat their own

There is a wonderful scene in Garrison Keillor's Wobegon Boy when the protagonist, a true red SJW who runs a public radio station at a private university, returns from a conference where he received an award for excellence in public broadcasting to learn that the women who report to him have turned on him and are accusing him of sexism in order to oust him from his position as the station manager. Led by his secretary, a card-carrying member of Wounded Daughters of Distant Fathers, they plant a story in the local media prior to taking their manufactured complaints about him to the university administration.

The reporter was Sandra Welles, who had called me the day after my dinner with Jean. The story was a real torpedo... It said that I had "a problem" with assertive women, being from the Midwest, and that I tried to "psychologically seduce" women in meetings and charm my way around them. I had paternalized the decision structure and made women afraid to speak up....

My heart sank. These slanders had come from people who knew me. They worked at WSJO and had come to my house and drunk my wine and eaten my Chinese spareribs.... Why would people be so angry and bitter toward me? I had built this station from the ground up and had managed it reasonably well, and what was their beef?

Their beef, of course, was that said protagonist, John Tollefson, was a white man from the Midwest who played white male classical music at the station he built and managed. Ergo, he had to go in order to make way for the station's transformation into a vehicle for social justice and women's issues. After his ouster has been successfully orchestrated and is all but complete, Tollefson reflects on what will happen to the station, but like a good SJW, he completely fails to learn anything from his experience.

I sat in bed, drinking water and gazing out at the snowy backyard and thinking about the radio station and Dean Baird. In a few months, WJSO would change over, from classical music to talk: the Gay-Lesbian Parenting Hour at one P.M. and the Men Dealing with Impotence Hour at one-fifteen, the Hearing Impaired Hour at one-thirty, Wounded Nephews of Distant Uncles at one forty-five, People in Grief for Former Lovers at two, the Herpes Hour at two-fifteen, People in Search of Closure at two-thirty - each with its own smug host and tiny clientele, its own style of vacuity - and should I fight this? No, I did not think so.

This seemed apt in light of the recent SJW declaration of disavowal of George R.R. Martin, who has gone from repeatedly attacking the wintery, chaotic evil of the Rabid Puppies and Vox Day to refusing to talk about the feminist attacks on him and his television show.
I am getting a flood of emails and off-topic comments on this blog about tonight's episode of GAME OF THRONES. It's not unanticipated. The comments... regardless of tone... have been deleted. I have been saying since season one that this is not the place to debate or discuss the TV series. Please respect that....

There has seldom been any TV series as faithful to its source material, by and large (if you doubt that, talk to the Harry Dresden fans, or readers of the Sookie Stackhouse novels, or the fans of the original WALKING DEAD comic books)... but the longer the show goes on, the bigger the butterflies become. And now we have reached the point where the beat of butterfly wings is stirring up storms, like the one presently engulfing my email.

Prose and television have different strengths, different weaknesses, different requirements.

David and Dan and Bryan and HBO are trying to make the best television series that they can.

And over here I am trying to write the best novels that I can.

And yes, more and more, they differ. Two roads diverging in the dark of the woods, I suppose... but all of us are still intending that at the end we will arrive at the same place.

In the meantime, we hope that the readers and viewers both enjoy the journey. Or journeys, as the case may be. Sometimes butterflies grow into dragons.

((I am closing comments on this post. Take your discussions to the other sites I have mentioned....)
They're just doing the best they can, people! Translation: "Please stop hitting me! Also, please go away and leave me alone." What a complete fucking coward! Whatever happened to all that "debate and honest dialogue" for which you were calling, George? I also enjoy his resort to the patented Sam Harris Defense, in which the ex post facto claim of having anticipated a response is considered tantamount to rebutting it.

Keep in mind that Wobegon Boy was published in 1997. SJW women turning on the white men in their midst is nothing new, and yet every Tollefson and Martin and Scalzi and Sanford and Hines believes it can't possibly happen to them because their little SJW hearts are pure.

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Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 May 19, 2015 6:22 AM  

for some reason I was thinking of spinsters with cats who eat them after they can no longer open the cat food tin. In a few months the neighbors notice the rotting corpse stench thus saving the lives of those darling little pets.
...I say this with no disrespect for actual cats. Saw the trailer for "san andreas" today. Fortunately 'the rock' does helicopter.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 19, 2015 6:33 AM  

A show full of murder, deciet, betrayal, vile deeds galore, The Red Wedding... and they complain about rape as a plot device.

The Roman Republic was founded by men avenging a rape. I guess they should boycott history.

Anonymous zen0 May 19, 2015 6:50 AM  

and that I tried to "psychologically seduce" women in meetings and charm my way around them.

Obviously a practitioner of the dark arts. He changed them into newts. I suggest a buoyancy test followed by a burning at the stake.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 19, 2015 6:54 AM  

When will the "Improver of women" get his just rewards from his allies?

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 6:55 AM  

say.... how long does the radio station survive with that can't-miss line up of shows?

Blogger grendel May 19, 2015 7:03 AM  

Until the heat death of the sun causes the fedgov to stop funding it?

Blogger Cail Corishev May 19, 2015 7:10 AM  

I haven't read the book, but if Tollefson was a good SJW, they didn't have to get rid of him; he would have gone alone with their SJW changes and they could have kept the benefit of his experience. But they can't resist. Likewise, GRRM is a good SJW, doing whatever he can for the cause (probably more than any of the harpies attacking him has done), but he's a gross straight white man, so they can't resist attacking him when the opportunity arises. Count on SJWs to kill the golden gander.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 19, 2015 7:18 AM  

3449 comments at that click bait site, I would say them harpies should get on their knees and thank old George and the hapless SJW manlets at HBO. Next I think the womyn of the left should fight the men of color on the left, maybe over slots at the Ivy League, or maybe the lack of womyn of palor and virtue having dominance in relationships over SJW males of color.

Anonymous Marriage_Night May 19, 2015 7:22 AM  

The rape cries and the unwillingness from people to rebut them in public is a testament of our time.

She made the choice to marry him. Can't expect anyone to be a GRRM, I mean Tyrion, I mean good beta and don't complete the "marriage task" which has been promised in front of the gods.

Anonymous cheddarman May 19, 2015 7:30 AM  

Lavrenti Beria smiles from hell...

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 7:34 AM  

"But they can't resist. Likewise, GRRM is a good SJW, doing whatever he can for the cause (probably more than any of the harpies attacking him has done), but he's a gross straight white man, so they can't resist attacking him when the opportunity arises. "

its not just because he's a white man. Its The Organization that they want. They understand organizations and business about the same way an african bushman understands refrigeration.

Take the radio station. They see it and the listeners it has running as a machine... and they imagine that if they can get control of that machine... they will have that same captive audiance and they can get their message out to that audiance.

They are simple and view the world simply. They are like the politician that doesn't understand how his new tax only generated a third of the new revenue it was supposed to have generated. They make decisions based on static projections in a dynamic world.

So over and over again... they take over an organization... and it instantly starts dying... and they are left with nothing... and over and over again... those individuals who "killed it" are blamed. And the SJWs all believe that they are special.. and they will do it "right" and when its their turn... they will make it all work.

And they fail... the exact same way.

Because deep down none of them understands what it takes to actually build a great thing. They are mere parasites.

Blogger Josh May 19, 2015 7:34 AM  

say.... how long does the radio station survive with that can't-miss line up of shows?

They do a lot of fundraising

Blogger Robert What? May 19, 2015 7:38 AM  

The fascinating thing is that burned SJWs never seem to connect the dots no matter how many times or how hard they are betrayed. I guess mentally it is easier to accept that they are a flawed SJW deserving of punishment, rather than to believe that their entire worldview is flawed.

Anonymous Bah May 19, 2015 7:38 AM  

how long does the radio station survive with that can't-miss line up of shows?

Gummint funding.

Anonymous AlteredFate (#92) May 19, 2015 7:43 AM  

They make decisions based on static projections in a dynamic world.

SJWs posses zero ability to observe. Their OODA Loop has a typo.

Anonymous p-dawg May 19, 2015 7:44 AM  

I haven't yet read the book, but if the excerpt represents the conclusion, then I submit that it's possible he DID learn. Why doesn't he feel the need to do anything to save the station from the wimmens? Because he knows he doesn't have to - that station will be stone cold dead in a year. Then he can swoop in and have his station back, and stop hiring SJWs.

Blogger VD May 19, 2015 7:48 AM  

Because he knows he doesn't have to - that station will be stone cold dead in a year. Then he can swoop in and have his station back, and stop hiring SJWs.

No. The station won't be dead. It is PUBLIC RADIO. That means it has never been profitable and cannot die from lack of profits.

Suggestion: don't opine on books you haven't read.

Blogger VD May 19, 2015 7:49 AM  

They are simple and view the world simply. They are like the politician that doesn't understand how his new tax only generated a third of the new revenue it was supposed to have generated. They make decisions based on static projections in a dynamic world.

That's why I call them "cargo cultists".

Anonymous Stephen J. May 19, 2015 7:52 AM  

Eh, I have my criticisms of Mr. Martin, but to call him a "coward" suggests (a) he had some legal authority or could have done something to change Benioff's and Weiss's mind and (b) the only reason he didn't try was fear of the consequences, whatever they might have been. I don't see why people should expect Martin to defend or denounce a decision he almost certainly had nothing to do with and might not even have known about before it happened.

Anonymous Blue Meanie May 19, 2015 7:59 AM  

A hardcore SJW by the name of Tim Wise, who has made himself a tidy sum by flagellating himself over his white privilege, and crying crocodile tears over the sorry state of African-Americans, has himself learned that he's fair game for the woe-is-me crowd. A contingent of his Facebook followers accused him of racism and sexism, and he had a good little privileged meltdown.

People like Wise really think they'll be able to say "I'm on your side, homies!", and be spared. On the contrary, the SJWs will take special delight in devouring them. I say, bon appetit!

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 8:00 AM  

"Gummint funding."

typical.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni May 19, 2015 8:01 AM  

Philip II smirks down knowingly from Heaven

Anonymous Marriage_night May 19, 2015 8:02 AM  

[bold]Eh, I have my criticisms of Mr. Martin, but to call him a "coward" suggests (a) he had some legal authority or could have done something to change Benioff's and Weiss's mind and (b) the only reason he didn't try was fear of the consequences, whatever they might have been. I don't see why people should expect Martin to defend or denounce a decision he almost certainly had nothing to do with and might not even have known about before it happened. [/bold]

What are you talking about. The scene is way worse in the book. It includes beastiality - dogfuckery. It just doesn't happen to precious Sansa but some lowlife peasant instead which the SJWs do not care about.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 8:04 AM  

I'm reminded of Joss Weadon and the viscious reaction to Age of Ultron. I really didn't get what the big deal was until I saw it.

The movie is just dripping testosterone. I mean its just guys doing badass guy stuff from beginning to end. Weadon really nailed the male group dynamics. Particularly with Thor, Stark, and Cap. They like each other a lot. They want to hang out together and they enjoy being together... but they give each other shit all the time.

and ultimately that's the problem the SJWs have with Age of Ultron. its male. Its very very Male.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 8:07 AM  

". I don't see why people should expect Martin to defend or denounce a decision he almost certainly had nothing to do with and might not even have known about before it happened."

/facepalm

Martin is heavily involved in the writing of GoT. And everything about his books says not only was he in favor of this... it wasn't nearly brutal enough for him.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 19, 2015 8:11 AM  

I would propose that SJW culture is the thing in our world that most mimics the chaotic evil society of the Drow Elves. At least as described by fantasy author R. A. Salvatore.

It is also interesting to note that the Drow Elves are a radical Matriarchy.

Blogger Michael Maier May 19, 2015 8:12 AM  

ZhukovG: and full of more backstabbing that you can believe... which makes perfect sense too.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 19, 2015 8:13 AM  

its not just because he's a white man. Its The Organization that they want.

True. And they don't really feel like it's theirs until they've driven out all the white men. Maybe they sense that as long as there are some white men around, they'll be the ones running things and deserving of the credit, no matter who gets the awards. So they're not happy with 90% ownership of the Organization with a few token white guys as the other 10%; they won't be truly satisfied until all the white men are gone and they have 100%.

Blogger Michael Maier May 19, 2015 8:13 AM  

Now that I think of it, the only good from that matriarchal society comes from a father defying society for the sake of his son.

RA is an evil, anti-femnist sunnuvabitch!

Anonymous Stephen J. May 19, 2015 8:13 AM  

"It just doesn't happen to precious Sansa..."

Yes, that's the decision I mean. Benioff and Weiss evidently thought they needed to drive Ramsay's evil home by showing his actions happening to an audience POV character, whereas Martin was content narrating it offstage -- different media, different decisions. Blaming Martin for Benioff's decision just seems to miss the point.

Blogger Salt May 19, 2015 8:14 AM  

and ultimately that's the problem the SJWs have with Age of Ultron. its male. Its very very Male

Haven't seen it. Now I want to.

Blogger VFM 188* May 19, 2015 8:16 AM  

Nate describes above how SJW's "take over an organization... and it instantly starts dying... and they are left with nothing... and over and over again..."

You can substitute a number of words and concepts for "organization" as Nate uses it, and be talking about the entire sweep of human history. E.g. when SJW's take over "a society," or "a culture" or "a country" or "a civilization"...and it "instantly starts dying." Indeed. This is what is occurring before our eyes in America, the crown jewel of Western Civilization. Both are dying.

We fight the decline.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 19, 2015 8:21 AM  

@Michael Maier

Yes, Zak and Drizzt, who defy and humiliate the females who supposedly rule over them.

Now I want to read those books again.

Anonymous dB May 19, 2015 8:22 AM  

The label SJW, do you mean

1) social justice warrior

2) social justice whore

Anonymous ZhukovG May 19, 2015 8:23 AM  

@dB

Same difference, regardless of gender.

Blogger Krul May 19, 2015 8:25 AM  

Salt, here's my favorite scene from Age of Ultron, which also happens to be the scene with the notorious "rape joke". As you can see, Nate's description is spot-on. You can judge based on this whether it's worth your time.

Anonymous Stephen J. May 19, 2015 8:25 AM  

"Martin is heavily involved in the writing of GoT."

"Heavily involved" does not mean "has final authority on what goes on the screen and what doesn't". Nor was Martin the scriptwriter for that episode. To paraphrase James Ellroy, he took the money, didn't he?

"And everything about his books says not only was he in favor of this... it wasn't nearly brutal enough for him."

Eh, one should always be careful inferring from books to author's mindset, as John C. Wright has pointed out to me before. One should be doubly careful inferring from an adaptation of the book to the mindset of the source writer.

Creative control in TV production is nowhere near as simple as a lot of fans seem to think it is. The show is not the book and the book is not the show. Decisions made for the show to depict something that didn't happen (to that character) in the book seem to me to be something you should take up with the show-runners, not the book author; end of point.

Blogger bob k. mando May 19, 2015 8:29 AM  

Vox
This seemed apt in light of the recent SJW declaration of disavowal of George R.R. Martin, who has gone from repeatedly attacking the wintery, chaotic evil of the Rabid Puppies and Vox Day to refusing to talk about the feminist attacks on him and his television show.
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They're just doing the best they can, people! Translation: "Please stop hitting me! Also, please go away and leave me alone." What a complete fucking coward! Whatever happened to all that "debate and honest dialogue" for which you were calling, George?



i would say that now would be a good time to repost my 'the bell tolls for thee' post that i made at GeRMs "not a blog" but, really, what's the point?


he knew before i posted that that there was the open maw beneath his feet. he helped create it.

germ simply believes that he can control the narrative. and so long as he controls that narrative everything will be fine.

given what a raving Lefty SJWhorerior Keillor is, it is somewhat surprising to me that he would so openly lampshade the risk to himself.

i suppose Keillor thinks he's removing the threat by making a joke of it?

Blogger Krul May 19, 2015 8:29 AM  

"In a few months, WJSO would change over, from classical music to talk: the Gay-Lesbian Parenting Hour at one P.M. and the Men Dealing with Impotence Hour at one-fifteen, the Hearing Impaired Hour at one-thirty, Wounded Nephews of Distant Uncles at one forty-five, People in Grief for Former Lovers at two, the Herpes Hour at two-fifteen, People in Search of Closure at two-thirty - each with its own smug host and tiny clientele, its own style of vacuity"

LOL. I should check out this book if the whole thing is this funny and on-the-nose.

Anonymous PA May 19, 2015 8:39 AM  

Remember Bob Packwood? Feminists took him down despite the fact that he was a widely acknowledged liberal Republican with a feminist-friendly voting record.

Blogger Krul May 19, 2015 8:43 AM  

On the subject of GoT, is the new season worth watching? I still haven't seen any of it, being busy with career matters.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 19, 2015 8:44 AM  

The Roman Republic was founded by men avenging a rape.

Other than that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

I guess they should boycott history.

It's symbolic of their struggle against reality.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 8:44 AM  

"On the subject of GoT, is the new season worth watching? I still haven't seen any of it, being busy with career matters."

No.

This season has been a total disaster.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 8:47 AM  

"Eh, one should always be careful inferring from books to author's mindset, as John C. Wright has pointed out to me before. One should be doubly careful inferring from an adaptation of the book to the mindset of the source writer."

Look Chief... its one thing to say that just because a rape scene happens in a book.. the author must kind of like rape scenes.

Its entirely different to look at a massive series of books filled graphic descriptions of extremely violent and out-right revolting sexual deviance including everything from beastiality to twincest.

Blogger AmyJ May 19, 2015 8:51 AM  

As for Age of Ultron, feminists are pissed that Whedon "ruined" Black Widow by portraying her as a deeper character than the usual chick who kicks butt and does it better than the boys. Whedon had the audacity to show her regretting that she's unable to have children.

Because, to reality denying feminists, wanting children when you're barren is completely unbelievable and offensive a female character.

Blogger Sherwood family May 19, 2015 8:54 AM  

"Social Justice" is a religion. It has saints, dogma, and sacraments. It also has backsliders and apostates. As any religion knows, apostates must be dealt with lest they lead the rest of the flock astray. So any expression that shows them to be in any way rejecting the creeds of Social Justice must be met with a inquisitorial zeal. They must be made to recant...not just for the safety of the flock but for the good of their own souls. If they, like the proverbial village in Vietnam, have to be destroyed in order to be saved...well...so be it.

The interesting thing is that positions that were blessed by the SJWs in the past become rapidly outmoded and outdated and thus...incorrect. Evolve too slowly and one is a throwback reactionary who does not believe in progress, despite the fact that one's views may be utterly in harmony with the doctrine of the church of Social Justice from only a few years ago.

SJWs cannot evolve too quickly either. That risks alienating the mass of SJWs who are not yet ready for more advanced views. But they do have a vanguard group who agitates for the more extreme positions, knowing that a slighly less extreme compromise will lead the faithful by the nose to the positions staked out by the vanguard over time.

Four decades ago it was decriminalizing homosexuality and legalizing abortion. Suggesting homosexuals should have the ability to marry and adopt would have been unacceptable except among a small group. And pushing for things like partial birth abortion would not even have been mentioned because it would have been too barbarous to be considered. Today, subscribing to these views is a requirement, a holy crusade for equality. Denying these "rights" today is sin. And the SJW church will require one to immediately confess their sin and be forced to undergo a struggle session to get their mind right.

But the interesting thing to watch is the avant-garde views that are slowly assimilated by the mass and made mainstream. What are the avant-garde views today? Where, in other words, are the SJWs headed?

This seems to me one of the reasons that aging liberals often wake up and begin adopting more moderate and in some cases even conservative views...because they were comfortable with progress up to a point but the movement has gone beyond their arbitrarily chosen boundries and they too suddenly find themselves athwart history yelling stop.

It is also one of the reasons why the "former liberal conversos" are extremely dubious, in my opinion. They often fail to acknowledge that it was their own efforts to promote "progress" in the first place that has landed all of us where we are now.

There is no compromise with progressivism and trying to stop it at some line drawn in the sand is a fool's errand. Trying to hold them at bay cedes momentum to the progressives. Only a concerted campaign to destroy progressives root and branch by forcing the march of history in the other direction will ever have an effect.

Don't want to be forced to support and defend homosexual marriage? Then arguing for a live and let live approach is stupid. Homosexuals certainly aren't content with that.

Only forcing the issue the other direction offers hope.

Don't want to be forced to have your tax money pay for contraception and abortions on demand? Then stop tolerating the existence of abortion which makes that the likeliest outcome over time.

In short, the only solution is to crush the SJWs. Remember...nits make lice. Extirpate them early and often.

Blogger Douglas Wardell May 19, 2015 8:56 AM  

Yet again, the SJWs are completely baffling in their idiocy. Suppose that you are an SJW (sorry, trigger warning) and you believe in marital rape, that 1 in 4 college girls are raped, etc. Along comes your ideological ally GRRM with a show depicting a girl who is forced (arguably) into a marriage with a monster who makes her surrogate brother who murdered her other brothers watch as said monster has sex with her against her will. Do you use that as a starting point to say, "this is what happens to real women and thank goodness for the show depicting the horror of it so we can start a dialogue"? No, apparently you start stoning your ally and complain about being triggered by a show which routinely shows torture and murder.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 8:57 AM  

"Whedon had the audacity to show her regretting that she's unable to have children."

Shhhh... spoilers.

No doubt this is also a huge part of it. Also the bit of backstory with hawkeye is probly a huge issue with them as well.

But again... spoilers.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 8:58 AM  

"Yet again, the SJWs are completely baffling in their idiocy."

Right?

A dude "rapes" his twin sister next to the corpse of their dead son... and that's fine. Its "edgy". But sansa getting laid on her wedding night? OVER THE LINE!

Blogger Krul May 19, 2015 8:58 AM  

Thanks, Nate. I'll continue to focus elsewhere for the time being.

AmyJ - "As for Age of Ultron, feminists are pissed that Whedon "ruined" Black Widow by portraying her as a deeper character than the usual chick who kicks butt and does it better than the boys. Whedon had the audacity to show her regretting that she's unable to have children."

They're especially upset over Black Widow calling herself a "monster" to empathize with Bruce Banner. The knee-jerk reaction is a disgrace: "Joss Whedon thinks infertile women are monsters! Misogynist!"

Come on, people. Just because a character in a work of fiction says something, it doesn't mean the author believes it. Also, when she said that, I honestly thought she was talking about the fact that she had been a ruthless killer, not about the infertility which she brought up only after Banner mentioned that he was infertile. But I could be wrong there; the movie was somewhat awkwardly cut in places, and it wasn't perfectly clear.

Blogger Josh May 19, 2015 9:00 AM  

So why is this rape more problematic than Dany getting raped on her wedding night, all the prostitutes getting raped (especially the ones raped by Joff), and Cersei getting raped last season?

Is it just because Ramsey is creepy?

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 9:03 AM  

"Is it just because Ramsey is creepy?"

Drogo rape is fine... because swarthy.

Blogger Josh May 19, 2015 9:06 AM  

So...the rules for getting away with rape in GoT:

1) be handsome
2) be attractive
3) don't be unattractive

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 19, 2015 9:07 AM  

Blaming Martin for Benioff's decision just seems to miss the point.

Take it up with his fanbois. Around here, Martin is being called a coward for refusing to even discuss the subject.

Anonymous Jourdan #200 May 19, 2015 9:08 AM  

It's instructive that both the novels and the series' punishing depiction of human beings as nothing more than amoral depraved beasts whose actions for good or evil make no difference whatsoever arose no objection.

I suppose we should be grateful we are not Martin. Imagine how bleak his evil little world must be.

Blogger JartStar May 19, 2015 9:11 AM  

Nate is correct as this season has been bad, disaster is a bit of a stretch, but it has been bad and boring. For the first time since the show has started we occasionally look at our electronic devices while watching it.

Blogger Krul May 19, 2015 9:11 AM  

The whole GoT-rape-outrage-inconsistency situation reminds me of something from a while back. Remember this?

"Watching it with my mom. When the Hound got punched in the balls, she goes "ohhh, yeah!" but when Brienne gets kicked in the cunt she goes "oh that's awful""

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 19, 2015 9:12 AM  

It is also one of the reasons why the "former liberal conversos" are extremely dubious, in my opinion.

Exactly. They typically aren't arguing from principles, but rather from a position of "this is as much evil as I'm comfortable with".

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 19, 2015 9:14 AM  

Whedon had the audacity to show her regretting that she's unable to have children.

And from the man who basically invented the stereotype of "men with tits" as a strong female character.

Whedon does not write strong female characters. Take Zoe and Wash on Firefly. What would be different about their relationship if Zoe was a man and they were a gay couple? Nothing.

I'm pretty sure Zoe was the top in that relationship anyway.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 9:16 AM  

"And from the man who basically invented the stereotype of "men with tits" as a strong female character."

its funny that the SJWs used to criticize Ringo for writing women as "men with tits"... and now they are criticizing Whedon for not writing women as "men with tits".

Anonymous Jourdan #200 May 19, 2015 9:17 AM  

@ZhukovG

I'm very surprised to date that Salvatore hasn't been targeted. I mean, hell, the bad guys are both very black *and* matriarchal. Perhaps he is too little known. As much as I love Drizzt and Icewind Dale as a setting (movie?), his other work has been sadly pretty darn weak.

Anonymous Jourdan #200 May 19, 2015 9:19 AM  

While we're talking fantasy series, I strongly recommend Netflix's DAREDEVIL series. Great writing, really the first time I've seen a comic book successfully broght to life.

Blogger bob k. mando May 19, 2015 9:21 AM  

Nate May 19, 2015 8:47 AM
including everything from beastiality



remember kids, *bestiality* is 'best'.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 9:21 AM  

"Nate is correct as this season has been bad, disaster is a bit of a stretch, but it has been bad and boring. For the first time since the show has started we occasionally look at our electronic devices while watching it. "

In a short 3 episodes its gone from being one of the most entertaining shows in television in the last 10 years... to boring.

They've totally wrecked some major plot players... for example.. having a bunch of robed rich boys kill The Most Elite Warriors EVAR!!!! with knives.

That moment right there... was the moment GoT jumped the shark.

Blogger Josh May 19, 2015 9:22 AM  

Clay Travis on the nihilism in GoT:

Moreover, if you create a world where pure evil exists, doesn't it have to be balanced out with someone or something that is purely good? Who is that character? Jon Snow is the closest purely "good" character, but even he is imperfect. There isn't any good to balance out the evil on the show.

Blogger Marissa May 19, 2015 9:22 AM  

Is Keillor's novel semi-autobiographical?

Blogger Krul May 19, 2015 9:24 AM  

Jourdan - "While we're talking fantasy series, I strongly recommend Netflix's DAREDEVIL series. Great writing, really the first time I've seen a comic book successfully broght to life."

Seconded. The jaded noir style of the show is a refreshing counter to the upbeat Marvel films. To me, the show feels more like The Wire than anything. It's also a throwback to a time when superheroes fought crime on occasion, instead of constantly facing bizarre supervillains with apocalyptic schemes.

Blogger deadman May 19, 2015 9:26 AM  

Didn't read all the posts, so if it's been BP'd; well anyway...

This GoT 'scandal' demonstrates one underlying element of female psychology.
Women detest the idea of having sex with an undeserving or undesirable man.
Even when a 'nasty' instance happens to a fictional TV character.

Had Sansa been taken 50 Shades of Grey / romance novel style by a character the SJW retards approve of. There'd be no outcry.

Yet a female, even a fictional female, having to have sex with an undesirable man is clearly too much for them.

Anonymous NateM May 19, 2015 9:26 AM  

On the GoT rape 'controversy', I actually see that as a positive move to tie the disparate plots together. It makes Sansa actually relevant, which she never was in the book. There's actually a chance she could be seen as a character who made a choice to move towards regaining power in the North by dealing with the unpleasantness of Ramsey Bolton. But of course, feminists just want female characters to be called 'tough' and 'brave' without ever demonstrating them actually overcoming anything. I guess in Book 5 they were sort of setting him up for a conflict with Jon Snow, but this really pushes the stories momentum towards some resolution where the villain no one likes doesn't just get away with it (thanks to a corner GRRM wrote himself into)

Blogger Cail Corishev May 19, 2015 9:30 AM  

Douglas, I had the same thought. I seem to remember a time not that long ago when feminists wanted rape scenes in movies, to educate the masses. Back then, they figured the more degrading the better, to show the pain of womanhood or the evils of men or something something. That might even have still been the attitude when Martin wrote the original scene; but in the past few years they've gone fully the other direction, leaving the "gritty realist" out in the cold.

Blogger Krul May 19, 2015 9:34 AM  

deadman - "This GoT 'scandal' demonstrates one underlying element of female psychology.
Women detest the idea of having sex with an undeserving or undesirable man.
Even when a 'nasty' instance happens to a fictional TV character.

Had Sansa been taken 50 Shades of Grey / romance novel style by a character the SJW retards approve of. There'd be no outcry.

Yet a female, even a fictional female, having to have sex with an undesirable man is clearly too much for them."


Your handle brings to mind a relevant example: Al Swearengen from Deadwood. Ian McShane was named one of 2005's Sexiest Men Alive by People magazine for the role of an abusive pimp.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 May 19, 2015 9:35 AM  

Everybody said rape twice.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 9:36 AM  

"Had Sansa been taken 50 Shades of Grey / romance novel style by a character the SJW retards approve of. There'd be no outcry."

Right. That's what we were saying when we pointed out the same thing happened to Danny on her wedding night and no one cared.

Blogger Josh May 19, 2015 9:37 AM  

Everybody said rape twice.

They like rape

Anonymous Jourdan #200 May 19, 2015 9:42 AM  

@Josh - Nice one. One can never be too rich, too thin or too lacking in Blazing Saddles references.

Anonymous HalibetLector May 19, 2015 9:42 AM  

@Krul, @Jourdan Re: Daredevil: I had to stop watching when they made it clear the "big bad" of the series, the kingpin, was basically an effete whiny baby. In fact, the entire series has too much whining for my liking. At least in GoT when somebody whines, they usually get slapped, punched or otherwise assaulted.

Blogger natschuster May 19, 2015 9:42 AM  

I guess SJW's have changed. I remember when the SJW's were falling all over themselves trying to defend Bill Clinton. Now, even fictional rape makes them get all huffy.

Blogger John Wright May 19, 2015 9:48 AM  

@ Sherwood family

""Social Justice" is a religion. It has saints, dogma, and sacraments. It also has backsliders and apostates. As any religion knows, apostates must be dealt with lest they lead the rest of the flock astray. So any expression that shows them to be in any way rejecting the creeds of Social Justice must be met with a inquisitorial zeal. They must be made to recant...not just for the safety of the flock but for the good of their own souls."

Bravo! I would like to quote your whole comment, if I may, as a guest editorial over on my blog, if you will permit it. You have spoken truthfully and spoken well.

Blogger Krul May 19, 2015 9:49 AM  

HalibutLector - "I had to stop watching when they made it clear the "big bad" of the series, the kingpin, was basically an effete whiny baby."

Different strokes, I guess. For me it helps that this particular effete whiny baby has a habit of beating people to death with his bare hands.

Despite the villain, you've got to admit that the show has its strengths. Stick, for example, is awesome.

Blogger VD May 19, 2015 9:50 AM  

Correction, Josh:

1) be handsome
2) be swarthy
3) be related
4) don't be creepy

Anonymous Boomer "bafoon"[sic] "validictorian"[sic] May 19, 2015 9:55 AM  

Krul,

The whole show is strong compared to what passes as TV these days, and is definitely a breath of fresh air among all the other Marvel productions.

Vincent D'Onofrio does an amazing job as the Kingpin, the character has always been melodramatic when thwarted, so not sure what the complaint about him is. Crushing someone's head with a car door is pretty much the opposite of effete to me, but I guess the idea of a somewhat refined villain is displeasing to some.

Blogger John Wright May 19, 2015 9:57 AM  

@Krul, @Jourdan

"While we're talking fantasy series, I strongly recommend Netflix's DAREDEVIL series. Great writing"

I second the seconding of this.

@HalibetLector
" had to stop watching when they made it clear the "big bad" of the series, the kingpin, was basically an effete whiny baby."

Well, to be fair, Kingpin is a whiny baby who chops of the head of a russian mafioso by slamming it over and over again in a car door, and, later, kicks the living snot out of Murdock, so he is pretty damn tough and stone cold for a baby.

Myself, I think it is the best film depiction of a villain I have seen since the days of THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY.

Anonymous MendoScot May 19, 2015 9:59 AM  

This season could be recovered if they insert some dwarf tossing. Tyrion getting punched in the face was a good start, but if they blow the opportunity to have the Unsullied play dragon quidditch with him I'm giving up.

And how do we know that Sansa wasn't down with a little rough sex? Did anyone ask her? Stop denying her agency!

Blogger VD May 19, 2015 10:06 AM  

What bothers me more is the class-based rejection of poor sweet little Myranda. She's obviously Ramsay's true love, but he just can't see that and it makes me cry. I think their love story is really the true romantic heart of the show.

Blogger bob k. mando May 19, 2015 10:11 AM  

another thing to point out about 'SJWs eat their own':
this ties back into the 'Inappropriately Excluded' post.

that is, this is a way to inappropriately exclude those who are more competent than the SJWs.

you create ever more baroque AND CONTRADICTORY social 'norms' and attempt to destroy anyone who doesn't hew exactly to them.

despite it's stupidity, it's a ( short term ) successful strategy because most people are NOT highly intelligent / competent ... therefore you have a large cadre of mediocres who are eager to move interpersonal competition in a direction not tied to actual performance.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 10:13 AM  

"What bothers me more is the class-based rejection of poor sweet little Myranda. "

It says a lot doesn't it that the dear feminists can't see how Sansa putting Myranda in her place is terribly triggering for women in a place where the caste system still exists.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 10:15 AM  

"And how do we know that Sansa wasn't down with a little rough sex? Did anyone ask her? Stop denying her agency!"

well according to the interview the actress playing sansa loved it... so....

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 19, 2015 10:31 AM  

Someone said "what if the faceless men are all women" I replied. "I can believe in fire breathing dragons, stone men, and face changing majik, but not that 2 women could carry an adults body on a stretcher."

"Take the radio station. They see it and the listeners it has running as a machine... and they imagine that if they can get control of that machine... they will have that same captive audiance and they can get their message out to that audiance."

One of the smart elite came up with the idea for regional taxes so that even if Whites flight everyone will have to pay toward the nearest black dysfunction.

"On the subject of GoT, is the new season worth watching? I still haven't seen any of it, being busy with career matters."

If you have access to see naked bodies on the internet here is little reason to watch it.

"Whedon had the audacity to show her regretting that she's unable to have children."

While feminists want to push bestiality on girls, they fear them finding out about fertility dropping like a rock after 35yo.

"SJW's were falling all over themselves trying to defend Bill Clinton. "~ They are still defending him for his recent visit to the private island of underage kids.

1) be handsome 2) be swarthy 3) be related 4) don't be creepy ~ Bonus points for if you are too stupid to spell your name

Blogger hank.jim May 19, 2015 10:31 AM  

Feminists again try to equate marriage with rape. I thought Game of Thrones is a rather amoral and nihilistic series. People who watched it evidently didn't think so until.... now? How can anyone consider marital sex to be rape especially when it was witnessed. An ancient version of the iPhone. Evidence that the marriage was consummated is not witness that the wife was raped.

"They chose to use rape as a plot device. Again." (link).

Nothing new. They just couldn't handle one more.

"Rape here, like in all instances, is not a necessary story-driving device."

Except for female Oscar worthy performances.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 19, 2015 11:06 AM  

Sansa like most other young female characters symbolize hope the total opposite of sterile feminism. IMO even that degenerate creator of that show can kill that, I dare him / them to try

Anonymous Donn #0114 May 19, 2015 11:17 AM  

Did Sansa marry Ramsay in the books? I can't remember but it seems wrong. I thought he married an imposter or something.

Anonymous Donn #0114 May 19, 2015 11:23 AM  

Right. That's what we were saying when we pointed out the same thing happened to Danny on her wedding night and no one cared.

He was Conan the Barbarian no woman is going to complain that he doesn't ask for 'consent' (despite the fact they are married). If it had been another Khal Drogo type the women would have been saying 'best episode ever' and 'Sansa has found her sensual side'.

Anonymous BGS May 19, 2015 11:28 AM  

Buisness insider covers an empowered woman who went from PROGRAMER to hooker
http://www.businessinsider.com/a-high-end-call-girl-answers-questions-2015-5

Blogger JLanceCombs May 19, 2015 11:41 AM  

"The Roman Republic was founded by men avenging a rape. I guess they should boycott history"

Now they will. These harpies know no irony.

Anonymous Steve May 19, 2015 11:49 AM  

I've never read or watched Game of Thrones, from what I gathered it seemed to be a coarser, dirtier version of LotR for a cruder and more cynical age.

I was intrigued by the fuss being made about the show though, so did some reading about the plot.

It's not LotR with sex and cynicism. It's thoroughly vile and disgusting. It's more like The Human Centipede mashed up with Dungeons and Dragons.

Take the treatment of Theon Grayjoy: this is a character who is brutally and continually tortured, humiliated in every conceivable way, has his penis hacked off, and is forced to watch his childhood friend being raped.

Why would anyone write such a story? Why would you use your talents as a writer to communicate that to your readers? What would drive you, as an artist, to put such ugliness into circulation?

I'm not squeamish or easily offended. I enjoy Tom Kratman's books and there is usually a fair amount of sex and brutality in those.

But here's the difference: an author like Kratman writes about good and evil, devilry and heroism, in a fictional universe where morality still exists and good is not ultimately futile.

Martin writes gleefully amoral - arguably immoral - stories set in a universe where there pain and death and cruelty are eternally trimphant.

I think there's a qualitative difference between telling stories where unpleasant things happen - sometimes to good, innocent people - necessitating the hero's quest, and books like Samuel R Delany's "Hogg", which wallow in depravity for the perverse joy of it.

Martin's opus belongs in the latter category. He is a cultural coprophile, revelling in his own effluent.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 19, 2015 12:01 PM  

LOL. I should check out this book if the whole thing is this funny and on-the-nose.

Is Keillor's novel semi-autobiographical?


I've always thought of Keillor as a lefty shill, but based on his humor, I have to give him credit for being an observant one. And he spent a lot of time in Public Radio and around "Public Radio People." I did too, when I was in college. I worked at a college/public radio station, learning how to run the equipment and put together a show. Parlayed that into a brief career as a DJ at commercial stations to help work my way though college. But the "Public Radio People" at the college station were perfect SJWs and in back then in the closed little world they thought they had at the station exhibited all the insane behaviors we've come to expect of them now in public. The probably caused Keillor plenty of headaches and I'm glad he took a little revenge on them.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 19, 2015 12:02 PM  

So...the rules for getting away with rape in GoT:

1) be handsome
2) be attractive
3) don't be unattractive


4) make sure our balls are properly inflated if anyone checks

Anonymous Jourdan, #200 May 19, 2015 12:10 PM  

@Steve -

It's been obvious to me from the time I wasted reading the first five chapters of Martin's first book that it was just a very predictable attempt to make a "transgressive" LotR. Hell, even the ridiculous way Martin spells his name is evidence of that (Note to Martin: You are NOT an Oxford don). It's very, very boring and trite, and of course the Leftist art powerhouse that is HBO picked it up for just that reason.

As you very well pointed out with the character of Theon, it is simply more leftist, ugly thuggery designed to degrade and to convince people that "high art" is meaningless drivel. Of course, they can no more harm Tolkien in any real way than their predecessors did; they just have many millions more per episode in the budget.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 19, 2015 12:11 PM  

Because deep down none of them understands what it takes to actually build a great thing. They are mere parasites.

My theory of the Hunter-Gatherer Mindset. They see the world the way a hunter-gatherer does. If they're hungry and there's a bush with berries on it, they eat them. If there's no bush with berries on it nearby, they go looking for one. But the idea of planting a berry bush and tending it not only never occurs to them, the concept eludes them at a fundamental level.

You can walk them through the steps of planting the bush, but they'll still always conceptualize what they're doing as just a more elaborate way of picking berries off a bush that the universe provided.

Anonymous BGS May 19, 2015 12:22 PM  

"Take the treatment of Theon Grayjoy: this is a character who is brutally and continually tortured, humiliated in every conceivable way, has his penis hacked off, and is forced to watch his childhood friend being raped.'

Perhaps the idea that the dwarf who pays for sex is GRRM's persona character needs to be reconsidered as Theon instead. Well the last episode introduced the plot of selling the dwarf's penis requiring it be cut off.

You can walk them through the steps of planting the bush, but they'll still always conceptualize what they're doing as just a more elaborate way of picking berries off a bush that the universe provided.

Not just that but even Warren Buffet's son gave up trying to teach sub sahara Africans how to rotate crops, something documented during roman times.

Anonymous p-dawg May 19, 2015 12:27 PM  

@VD: Suggestion noted; rejected. Ain't nobody got time to read no books from 1997.

Blogger David-093 May 19, 2015 12:44 PM  

""Eh, one should always be careful inferring from books to author's mindset, as John C. Wright has pointed out to me before. One should be doubly careful inferring from an adaptation of the book to the mindset of the source writer."

Look Chief... its one thing to say that just because a rape scene happens in a book.. the author must kind of like rape scenes.

Its entirely different to look at a massive series of books filled graphic descriptions of extremely violent and out-right revolting sexual deviance including everything from beastiality to twincest. "

I'm writing some futuristic military stories that involve space battles, armored super-soldiers, and aliens being killed by the dozens. Action, warfare, violence for a righteous cause, very good people against very evil people, those are the kinds of things I like seeing in books, games, and movies. I write about I enjoy and though I've never done it I'm pretty certain I'd enjoy killing a shit-ton of aliens on same far-off planet. Martin? He writes about every kind of sexual depravity imaginable, endless amounts of gruesome, nihilistic torture, and senseless violence, yet somehow it's not a reflection on what he himself enjoys.

Blogger Sir Wilshire (#320) May 19, 2015 12:49 PM  

It was interesting watching Daredevil shortly after Vox's gamma series. Kingpin pretty much seemed to be a gamma. Seeing those traits in the villain made it more enjoyable to watch.

Anonymous Tarquin May 19, 2015 12:54 PM  

Don't even get me started on that skanky old ho Lucretia. She rode the carousel then ran wailing to that gamma white knight Brutus.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 19, 2015 1:06 PM  

I strongly recommend Netflix's DAREDEVIL series.

Even better than the movie?

Anonymous FP May 19, 2015 1:18 PM  

Heh, if you've lost senatrix claire mccaskill you're in trouble.

http://twitchy.com/2015/05/19/sen-claire-mccaskill-is-done-with-hbos-game-of-thrones-after-sansas-gratuitous-rape-scene/

I eagerly await the clown show of Mr. Martin testifying before Congress.

Blogger CarpeOro May 19, 2015 1:19 PM  

The station may be interesting in the new format. They are squeezing four Hours into one hour after all.

Anonymous Faceless Minion #104 May 19, 2015 1:21 PM  

So over and over again... they take over an organization... and it instantly starts dying... and they are left with nothing... and over and over again... those individuals who "killed it" are blamed.

"But it's always the fault of the wreckers/jews/kulaks/crackers that are keeping us down! We are never to blame for our own failures!"

Anonymous Will Best May 19, 2015 1:23 PM  

In other news apparently She-Thor is Jane Foster. So just another woman who has been deemed worthy of accomplishment for sleeping with the right guy.

Seriously, why don't these people have to report these things to the FEC as donations in kind.

Anonymous 10900209 May 19, 2015 1:34 PM  

>SJW women turning on the white men in their midst is nothing new, and yet every Tollefson and Martin and Scalzi and Sanford and Hines believes it can't possibly happen to them because their little SJW hearts are pure.

I think it was Roissy who postulated that feminism is really women shit-testing men on the societal level. In their hearts-of-hearts, probably unbeknownst to them, feminists want men to put their foot down and call them on their crap, and the more men fail to do this, the more contemptuous feminists grow of them.

This would explain many things: why feminists seem to loathe their male "allies" and inevitably turn on and devour them, why they fantasize about living in an imaginary "rape culture" and infer hidden rape motives in innocent social interactions, why they're inexplicably reluctant to criticize real patriarchy in Islamic societies, why they grow statistically more miserable the more they emasculate the culture around them, et cetera.

Remember that feminist activist Meg Lanker-Simons (hyphenated last name, ofc), who fabricated a bunch of threats against herself for attention from some imaginary chauvinist Republican, all of which revolved around how "he" thought she was "hot" and wanted to "hatefuck her" and make her into "a good little Republican bitch?" Perhaps this is what feminists truly want: to be hatefucked and made into good little submissive housewives. And the more pudgy, sackless male feminists like GRRM and Joss Whedon and the rest cowtow, the more feminists grow to hate them.

Anonymous Steve May 19, 2015 1:43 PM  

Jourdan - As I get older and see more of life, the more I'm convinced CS Lewis' "That Hideous Strength" was prophetic.

What should they find incredible, since they believed no longer in a rational universe? What should they regard as too obscene, since they held that all morality was a mere subjective by-product of the physical and economic situations of men?

When you complain about violence in fiction you run the risk of being dismissed as being like the slightly daffy moral crusaders who used to complain about The A-Team.

Some of my favourite books and films contain violence, either grittily brutal stuff like Kratman's Carrera series, or hilariously over-the-top satirical stuff like Paul Verhoven's RoboCop, or good old fashioned action and horror flicks like Predator and Dawn of the Dead.

I think there's a line - not always easy to discern but still real - between telling a story that includes violence and nastiness as a plot point or as black humour and celebrating the infliction of pain, suffering and cruelty.

We've seen with the commercial success of films like Hostel (and earlier stuff like Clive Barker's Hellraiser) that there is a market for that sort of thing. But just because someone might pay you for degrading fiction, doesn't mean you have to oblige.

Authors and filmmakers should be free to write whatever they want, but it still makes me wonder why you'd want to be known as the guy who made The Human Centipede. Is he proud of that fact? Does he tuck his children in at night, comfortable with the knowledge that he's profited from making the world a slightly darker place?

GRR Martin, with his pretentions to being Tolkien, reminds me of Phillip Pullman, who wrote His Dark Materials because he hated Narnia. In both cases they've created work that is nastier, uglier and in every sense poorer than the books they were reacting to. They have no Numenor or Aslan to offer us. No faith, love, or hope. Only unremitting bleakness.

It would be forgivable if this was a result of them not measuring up to the talent and originality of their inspirations. But they've done it on purpose.

This is what GRR Martin wanted to share with the world: torture, misery, murder, incest and rape.

He can hardly complain when people judge him based on the things he has created.

Blogger Cee May 19, 2015 2:51 PM  

Buisness insider covers an empowered woman who went from PROGRAMER to hooker
http://www.businessinsider.com/a-high-end-call-girl-answers-questions-2015-5

And here I was raising an eyebrow at this as male wish-fulfillment when a classmate wrote about a programmer-turned-hooker in a fiction workshop last summer. But no: It is female wish-fulfillment. Programmar and Harvard grad and she's still pretty enough men pay her for sex.

That sort of makes it creepier.

Blogger Cee May 19, 2015 2:53 PM  

Not that this lady's a Hahvahd grad, but if I remember the story correctly, the hooker in it went to an Ivy.

Blogger Bogey May 19, 2015 2:58 PM  

That's interesting, I didn't expect that from Garrison Keillor, isn't he a public radio leftist himself?

Kingpin is a big scary emo baby, but I wouldn't mess with him.

Blogger Krul May 19, 2015 3:09 PM  

Bogey - "Kingpin is a big scary emo baby, but I wouldn't mess with him."

Yeah. How many people does Kingpin personally murder in the season? At least four, if memory serves. That's not including all the ones who die on his orders.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 19, 2015 3:12 PM  

isn't he a public radio leftist himself?

Yep. Hence the post title which is also the subject of Keillor's story.
Pardon me while I shed a few crocodile tears.

Anonymous A. Nonymous May 19, 2015 3:54 PM  

They are simple and view the world simply. They are like the politician that doesn't understand how his new tax only generated a third of the new revenue it was supposed to have generated. They make decisions based on static projections in a dynamic world.

This reminds me of the tendency of certain Halo to unflinchingly defend that series' backstory for its armoured, supersoldier protagonists hinging on Catherine Halsey, Bestest Scientist Evah, deciding to embark on her project of kidnapping, murdering and experimenting on children because of a computer model predicting a massive war between the Earth government and the independence movements on outer colony-planets if the latter weren't decisively crushed in short order.

You know, as if massive escalation of the pre-existing hostility was the only way to resolve it...

Blogger CM May 19, 2015 3:55 PM  

There was blowback on the Dany-drogo and Jaimie-Cersei scenes.

They were managed and quashed easily because the corresponding scenes in the source material were clearly consensual (ha ha... i misspelled it but it works).

This had no corresponding written scene... so the hoopla gets to go further without having inner mind thought process to go with it.

I do remember the writers and Cersei's actress needing to justify how it was written/acted at Joffrey's viewing. It was supposed to be a conflicted scene... not a "NO NO NO!" scene.

Its like these feminists don't know what sexual tension is.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 19, 2015 4:04 PM  

@Nate and others:

High school aged family member kids wanted me to go see one of their comic book movies, so I agreed to Ultron. Saw the backstory on Hawkeye coming early in the flick. Didn't expect it to be that well done, though.

On the way out of the googleplex, I made a point to idly mention to the teenaged girls how counter cultural Hawkeye really is.

Keillor: Some years back I just quit listening to Prairie Home Oblivion, it got to be just too twee and shrill for me, that was maybe when Keillor decided to go embrace his roots in Scandanavia for a while. I'm surprised he would have had the wit to write that book nearly 20 years ago. Must find it, mabye it can sit on the same shelf as Bonfire of the Vanities and Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers. Maybe.

Game of Thrones: People raved about it. I tried it. Sorry, low rent porn is not fantasy, and subjecting myself to stuff that is clearly intended to degrade my sensibilities is not something I need to be doing. Maybe no problem for others, but it is not good for me.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 19, 2015 4:12 PM  

Cee
And here I was raising an eyebrow at this as male wish-fulfillment when a classmate wrote about a programmer-turned-hooker in a fiction workshop last summer. But no: It is female wish-fulfillment. Programmar and Harvard grad and she's still pretty enough men pay her for sex.

Not just any men. Rich men. She's obviously alpha chasing, in the expectation of being able to catch one before she gets too old to play that game. It's hardly a new strategy, Theodora managed to catch Justinian I's attention quite well enough to become Empress.

Of course it is a rather high risk strategy, too, the downside fail is pretty bad.

That sort of makes it creepier.

It is good for you that you react this way. Not all women are like you.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 19, 2015 4:20 PM  

I think there's a line - not always easy to discern but still real - between telling a story that includes violence and nastiness as a plot point or as black humour and celebrating the infliction of pain, suffering and cruelty.


A very liberal friend of mine who is now deceased once referred to one of GRRM's books as "violence porn"; the depiction of violence and killing in as graphical a way as possible with the obvious intention of tittilation, not as any actual story telling. I disagreed with that man on almost everything except music and most science fiction, from time to time he did have a point.

Now, the line is fuzzy. My dead friend would surely call Predator violence porn and refust to see it, I find it to be one of the finest action movies ever made, because the gore and blood is part of the story, not just there for necrophiles to roll around in.

GRRM continues to prove how right P.T. Barnum was.

Blogger David-093 May 19, 2015 4:26 PM  

@Paradigm

"On the way out of the googleplex, I made a point to idly mention to the teenaged girls how counter cultural Hawkeye really is. "

They'll remember that. G.K. Chesterton said that the act of defending the cardinal virtues today has all the thrill of a vice.

As an aside, I can't tell you how relieved I was when they revealed Hawkeyes family and he wasn't gay. I keep wondering when Marvel is gonna go retarded on us, but they've been amazingly anti-SJW so far and this latest controversy over Age of Ultron likely will change nothing. It's hard to argue against $1.3 billion at the box office.

Blogger Danby May 19, 2015 4:42 PM  

It's funny. My 2nd daughter absolutely HATES what they've done with BW in Ultron.

And has been to see the movie 5 times.

Blogger Salt May 19, 2015 5:01 PM  

Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero · 22h 22 hours ago

Amazed at the people moaning about Game of Thrones. If there’s a fictional rape to be angry about surely it’s the one in Rolling Stone.


Blogger David-093 May 19, 2015 5:23 PM  

"It's funny. My 2nd daughter absolutely HATES what they've done with BW"

I'm curious, what doesn't she like about her? I thought they made her more interesting instead of the one-dimensional character she's been since iron man 2.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) May 19, 2015 5:27 PM  

In other news apparently She-Thor is Jane Foster. So just another woman who has been deemed worthy of accomplishment for sleeping with the right guy.

What's hilarious is that she says, "And I will not stop being the mighty Thor. Even though it is killing me.”

Curie-Hultgreen Syndrome, anyone?

Blogger David-093 May 19, 2015 5:36 PM  

"Curie-Hultgreen Syndrome, anyone?"

Even in comic book land they still can't escape from it.

Anonymous Steve May 19, 2015 5:56 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents - My dead friend would surely call Predator violence porn and refust to see it, I find it to be one of the finest action movies ever made, because the gore and blood is part of the story, not just there for necrophiles to roll around in.

My grandfather, who saw more violence during WW2 than I (hopefully) ever will during my life, would have hated it. He thought Westerns starring John Wayne or Audie Murphy were as violent as movies should get.

But Predator is one of the classics, like Die Hard, First Blood, or Terminator 2. Strip aside the sci fi elements and Predator tells a timeless story: man fights monster in the woods.

With a few details changed, you could imagine the same story being told around a campfire under a prehistoric sky. The storyteller shaking a flint-tipped spear for emphasis as he describes how Dutch fought the monster. Wide-eyed little boys clutching their mothers' furs as they listen to the scary bits where the monster appears as if out of thin air. Wizened elders smiling at the teller's embellishments to a tale they themselves heard in their childhood.

In 10,000 years time, most of our surviving fiction will likely be incomprehensible to all but scholars of ancient history. What's an Ancillary Justice, and why does nobody in this story know what sex they are? But Predator will still be as compelling as Beowulf or Gilgamesh.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2015 6:10 PM  

"My grandfather, who saw more violence during WW2 than I (hopefully) ever will during my life, would have hated it. He thought Westerns starring John Wayne or Audie Murphy were as violent as movies should get."

I have little use for people of such sensibilities. On the otherhand... I have little use for The So-Called Greated Generation... or their pathetic spoiled progeny... the baby boomers.

Anonymous trev006 May 19, 2015 6:26 PM  

What amuses me to death is how tame the scene on HBO was compared to what happens in the books. There, not only is Reek taunted about Ramsay's new bride, he has to "get her ready" before Ramsay finishes disrobing.

Oh man, if he had to do that for Sansa! If anything, we should use agree and amplify for the lynch mob. Show how much more disgusting and rapey GRRM would have wanted to be with Reek/ Sansa based on the book. Or shame people based on the fact that when Jeyne Poole suffers it's all part of the act, but when one little old Sansa is violated EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS!!

Blogger David-093 May 19, 2015 6:31 PM  

"I have little use for people of such sensibilities. On the otherhand... I have little use for The So-Called Greated Generation... or their pathetic spoiled progeny... the baby boomers."

The Xers and Millennials who fought in OEF/OIF love violent games and movies. This idea that people who fight in wars necessarily must hate violence is absurd. Then again, I know one guy who left the war and became a Buddhist anti-Christian gamma hippie afterwards so I guess it does happen.

Anonymous Steve May 19, 2015 7:00 PM  

Nate - I have little use for people of such sensibilities.

Well, most of them are dead now, anyway.

David - This idea that people who fight in wars necessarily must hate violence is absurd.

Yes. WW2 didn't turn a generation into pacifists. The difference between WW2 vets and veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan is that the former were raised in a culture where graphic sex and violence just weren't shown in films, so as not to offend the women and frighten the children.

When you were raised on a diet of musicals and gentle Ealing comedies, seeing people in movies say "fuck" right before their brains got shot out in a cloud of gore would have seemed shocking.

Anonymous Phil Ossifer May 19, 2015 8:32 PM  

He may have done it in this very book:

"She was a pill, and anyway I hate talk radio. Especially public radio talk shows. I loathe them. Drowsy voices dithering and blithering, obsessive academics whittling their fine points, genteel bohemians with their Bambi worldview, the earnest schoolmarms, the murmury liberals, the ditzy New Agers, the plodding Luddites, the sad-eyed ladies of the lowlands, all of them good and decent and progressive and well-read and deeply concerned. Concerned about children, about justice and equality, about the clouds in the clear blue sky. Everything they say is to demonstrate their Concern, to show their innate goodness"

Blogger Sherwood family May 19, 2015 11:50 PM  

Mr. Wright,

Thanking for noticing my humble contribution. I am flattered you would notice. May I say your own work has given me much to enjoy, to think abou,t and to consider and I have been reading your blog with a great deal of pleasure since discovered it. Bless you, sir, for the work you are doing.

Blogger John Wright May 20, 2015 12:16 AM  

Sherwood,
Here is the link: http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/05/guest-editorial-social-justice-as-a-sacrament/

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 20, 2015 1:05 AM  

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Blogger Cuca Culpa May 20, 2015 1:06 AM  

Wait.. The Mary Sue?

That place publishes pedophilic bestiality enthusiasts, and even denied it when evidence was presented. Does Railroad know that place is just a shit-tier blog?

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 20, 2015 1:19 AM  

The scene is way worse in the book. It includes beastiality - dogfuckery.

Which explains why TMS was upset. Because offending the Politboro is worse.

I stand with Fido.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 20, 2015 1:57 AM  

That's interesting, I didn't expect that from Garrison Keillor, isn't he a public radio leftist himself?

Yes, but his evil twin, Ben Garrison "end racial quota in Minnesota" Keillor sabotaged the galleys.

Blogger CM May 20, 2015 2:09 AM  

Strip aside the sci fi elements and Predator tells a timeless story: man fights monster in the woods.

Isn't it based on an old short story where a wealthy man invites a bunch of peers to his island home for a hunt and then reveals they are the hunted?

I like survival-esque stories. They question what distinguishes us from animals which I always find to be a worthy question to be asked and explored.

Blogger Marissa May 20, 2015 10:32 AM  

Isn't it based on an old short story where a wealthy man invites a bunch of peers to his island home for a hunt and then reveals they are the hunted?

Man is The Most Dangerous Game.

Anonymous tiredofitall May 20, 2015 3:59 PM  

"In 10,000 years time, most of our surviving fiction will likely be incomprehensible to all but scholars of ancient history. What's an Ancillary Justice, and why does nobody in this story know what sex they are? But Predator will still be as compelling as Beowulf or Gilgamesh." - Steve

There's a reason they're called the classics, they stand the test of time and tell a story that resounds with people. They tend not to be the "flavor of the month" in regards to storytelling.

Any message that is in these stories is there for a reason, to teach a lesson or impart knowledge upon the readers. Not to hector people into thinking the "right" way, which may change in a few months anyway.

Blogger Matt@Occidentalism.org May 21, 2015 11:24 AM  

Kind of funny that GRR Martin would try to deflect attacks by saying that the show diverges from source material. While that is true, the scene in the book is much, much worse. Even the GoT TV show wouldn't put that on TV.

Anonymous The artist, also known as Brad May 22, 2015 11:01 AM  

"But Predator will still be as compelling as Beowulf or Gilgamesh."

I've been saying something similar for a few years now. The problem with activism-as-fiction, is that the activism is rooted in a specific time, place, and culture. The piling-on of decades and centuries puts those times, places, and cultures, at further and further remove from the reader. Until the reader loses all touch with the issues -- heated and throbbing, for the activists-as-writers in their moments -- and the story becomes cold. Remote. It will take academics to explain (to a captive audience of students) why the activism-as-fiction had meaning; and even then, the students will yawn.

Man-vs-monster(s)-in-the-forest is the story that can be told ten thousand ways across ten thousand centuries, because it's wired into our being. We know this story in our bones. It never gets old. The details and costuming may change, but the basics don't. It is visceral, it speaks to the heart of what it means to be human -- dare I even say, masculine? -- and it is the kind of story which can survive the passage of time, enthralling new generations anew.

Therefore, activism-as-fiction has a very limited shelf life.

Unfortunately, so many current SF/F writers are obsessed with activism-as-fiction, that the audience (who once numbered in the many millions) has been walking away. Not all at once. But in gradual steps. As more and more of the fiction became less and less fulfilling and satisfying. Because the activists were preaching to their respective choirs. And to themselves as well: a spiral drawing tighter, and tighter, and tighter. With the audience fragmenting and falling away at the edge.

All I can say is, thank goodness for Baen, and for indie. Because these are the only two things actively working to un-wind the spiral, to bring the audience back, and to give that audience what it wants. Versus merely gaining an increasing percentage of a shrinking market.

Anonymous The artist, also known as Brad May 22, 2015 11:08 AM  

On the Keillor passage, I find myself greatly amused, if only because I cut my teeth on community and college radio stations, during my teens and 20s. Back then (1992-2003) it was a heady, somewhat chaotic stew of anything-goes crazy-quilt programming. When I was student program director for KSVR-FM, the job was definitely that of herding cats; and on a shoe-string budget to boot. Plus occasional clashes with the faculty "manager" who was an old-guard campus lefty from the 1970s. It was apparent (even back then) that there were forces working to "purify" the crazy-quilt. I have no idea what the community radio environment is like now. I loved it when it was truly egalitarian and radical: no rules. These days, I imagine there are plenty of rules, all designed by people who are determined to be as offensive as possible, so that they themselves never have to be offended.

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