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Tuesday, May 12, 2015

Testing Brainstorm

UPDATE: We've hit the 100 registrants max, so we won't need anymore volunteers.


This is the test of Brainstorm Alpha After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar.

This is going to be a short test of the system I'm considering. If you want to help out by seeing if it works, register and we'll give it a shot. Please keep in mind that I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing with the software.

In totally unrelated news, a member of the Ilk is looking for a church near Chicago. If you have any suggestions, comment below.

"Hoped I'd found a good church very close to my location (Lemont IL).  Went yesterday, on Mother's Day.  The pastor began by focusing on women.  Fine, a "topical theme", there's no shortage of good topics.

But, you can guess how things went.  Had he pointed out any responsibility of a Christian lady, even one, I'd not be writing you.  Instead, after a few Scriptural verses, he turned gleefully to some book titled "Christ Feminist".  And so on ad nauseum."

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132 Comments:

Anonymous RatDog May 12, 2015 4:15 PM  

Greek Orthodox Church in Chicago - No Feminism Here:

http://www.annunciationcathedralchicago.org/

Anonymous Alexander May 12, 2015 4:18 PM  

Much as I'd love to join y'all, a wee bit last minute.

Still, consider Minion #0010 to be with the seminar in spirit.

Blogger Chad May 12, 2015 4:22 PM  

St johms cantius is a solid latin mass church and that prompted my conversion

Anonymous rationalist scientist May 12, 2015 4:23 PM  

Stunning new data suggest Christianity in America may finally be toast http://slnm.us/iEDlwTI

Anonymous Stingray May 12, 2015 4:23 PM  

I'm looking at the email and it is talking about audio. Is this something that we can simply listen in on without comment? I don't want the noise of my kids interfering with the session . . .

Anonymous Suindara May 12, 2015 4:24 PM  

You need my real name?
I can use it, but would rather not.

Anonymous Porky May 12, 2015 4:25 PM  

In totally unrelated news, a member of the Ilk is looking for a church near Chicago.

There's this guy I've heard of named Rev Wright.

Blogger JartStar May 12, 2015 4:28 PM  

For a more nuanced view of the decline in self identify Christians see here:

Nominals to Nones: 3 Key Takeaways From Pew’s Religious Landscape Survey

tl;dr version: The nominal Christians no longer feel the necessity to pay lip service; the Evangelicals have increased in absolute numbers, but lost a small percentage of total, the Mainlines have and are imploding, the RCC his hemorrhaging but making up for some of it thanks to immigration.

The even shorter version: Those identifying as Christians are very committed, the rest are leaving or left already.

Blogger Student in Blue (#21) May 12, 2015 4:31 PM  

@Suindara
You need my real name?
I can use it, but would rather not.


It asks for first name/last name but doesn't check for it. Feel free to put in a pseudonym imo.

Blogger Russell (106) May 12, 2015 4:35 PM  

The even shorter version: Those identifying as Christians are very committed, the rest are leaving or left already.

As it has always been. Ebb and flow, ebb and flow.

Blogger fisher man May 12, 2015 4:37 PM  

Being that is in the middle of the bed time routine, can you join in after it has started?

Blogger VD May 12, 2015 4:39 PM  

I'm looking at the email and it is talking about audio. Is this something that we can simply listen in on without comment? I don't want the noise of my kids interfering with the session . . .

Yes, you're all muted unless I turn your mike on, if I understand correctly.

You need my real name?

No, make something up.

Stunning new data suggest Christianity in America may finally be toast

Wishful thinking. Look at Russia's recovery from 70 years of atheist rule.

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 4:40 PM  

"The even shorter version: Those identifying as Christians are very committed, the rest are leaving or left already. "

That's the great thing about hurricanes... people see the damage and that's all they see.

Here's the thing about Hurricanes... Hurricanes always take out the trash.

Blogger grendel May 12, 2015 4:40 PM  

Re: Church near Chicago. Contact @RyanGuerra. He's a good guy, whether or not his church is the flavor you're after I bet he can help. http://mercyhillblog.com/leadership/

Blogger Guitar Man May 12, 2015 4:40 PM  

I attend a Calvary Chapel in northern NJ. For the most part, those churches are good. My pastor spoke on Ecclesiastes chapter 2, so while he thanked the moms in attendance for a few minutes, he continued on with his through the Bible study. I looked on Calvary Chapel's website and see that there's a church called Living Streams in Frankfort, which is probably a 30 minute drive from your town.

http://www.lstreams.com/contact/

Not all CC's are the same, but generally they all follow the verse-by-verse preaching, and none of the CC's that I've visited ever got into churchianity or feminism.

Blogger SamuraiJack May 12, 2015 4:42 PM  

Porky... Lol best comment on the thread. I don't think the REV allows any white devils in his "Con-gragation"

Blogger Shimshon May 12, 2015 4:46 PM  

3am my time. A little extreme for me. If it still open next time, I'll try again.

Anonymous RedJack #22 May 12, 2015 4:48 PM  

What my pastor did was rather shocking.

He talked (a bit) about Mother's day, and then focused on how the home needs to be a place like a filling station, and how family members need to understand that. He mentioned, explicitly, a "nagging, covetous, mother", can destroy that.

He also took to task fathers, but what impressed me is the sermon wasn't all "How great Mothers are!" but "You have a duty and a purpose in the home for your family.

Anonymous RedJack #22 May 12, 2015 4:51 PM  

Jarstar,

What I have seen in the LCMS parishes I have attended is a winnowing. The non committed are gone, the ones who honestly have Faith are staying.

The interesting thing is the people that remain are not the ones you expect. There is a tattooed biker who attends the traditional service, because he KNOWS evil and that he needs a Savior.

Blogger Brad Andrews May 12, 2015 4:58 PM  

Guitarman, You may want to listen closely when they get to the key male-female relationship Scriptures. I have found more than a few on the local channel that has many of their shows. Some are at least better than most, but I have heard too much "keep the wife happy" focus, mocking the idea of a husband leader/wife follower approach and even the incorrect "mutual submission" preached. (When does Jesus ever submit to the Church? That is the model we are given.)

I would still prefer them over Bible churches that don't believe all the Bible, but they are not perfect by any means.

Blogger Brad Andrews May 12, 2015 4:59 PM  

There is a tattooed biker who attends the traditional service, because he KNOWS evil and that he needs a Savior.

That is a necessary part to be a solid believer, especially today. You don't have to have participated in it (I did not), but you have to know it is real and not just a social construct or such.

Anonymous cremes May 12, 2015 5:01 PM  

The member of the Ilk may want to check out Good Shepherd in Downers Grove which is a stone's throw from Lemont. It is a member of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod so it might be more to his/her taste. The WELS is a bit more conservative than the ELCA which is what he probably visited in Lemont.

Check out its website at http://www.gsdg.org for more info.

Anonymous Saintart May 12, 2015 5:05 PM  

For the gentleman in need of a spiritual venue in Chicago, I highly recommend The Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago.

Blogger Nobody May 12, 2015 5:09 PM  

Black Regiment Churches, Illinois: http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Resources/BlackRegiment.aspx#st-IL

Anonymous JRL May 12, 2015 5:12 PM  

Don't know how far this gentleman is willing to drive, but I recommend moody church in Chicago.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly May 12, 2015 5:14 PM  

Displaced Hoosier actually working at the refinery in Lemont.

If you can even stomach the thought of joining us loathesome Calvinists, I would highly suggest the Orthodox Presbyterian Church that is currently in Joliet. Currently attending the one down in Momence, but that is a bit of a haul from Lemont. I have attended the church in Joliet a few times though. Good group of about a hundred folks with plenty of young families there. Sermon for the last Lord's Day was on Jesus healing the paralytic, not much of a tie-in with the Christian Feminist stuff.

If you are looking for something a bit different, just reply and I can ask around for you.

Blogger Zach May 12, 2015 5:20 PM  

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/152270/abandon-all-hope - "I'm afraid it was the Mormons. Mormons was the correct answer."

I'm just saying.

Blogger David The Good from FloridaSurvivalGardening.com May 12, 2015 5:21 PM  

Also definitely agree on the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. It's the last denomination I can stand.

Here the one in Chicago:

http://www.opc.org/church.html?church_id=358

Blogger Guitar Man May 12, 2015 5:22 PM  

Brad, I'm sure there are some CC's that are more churchianity than others. I can confidently state that my church isn't one of those, though.

There are rumors that some CC churches are going to be asked to drop the CC moniker because they've gotten off target.

Anonymous Leonidas May 12, 2015 5:27 PM  

Registered but won't be able to join tonight's test. Not enough notice. I'm definitely interested in the long term, though.

Anonymous Jeromus May 12, 2015 5:29 PM  

If you are up for a bit of drive look into these two churches:

Living Water Evangelical Church
1256 Wehrli Rd
Naperville, IL 60565-1703
http://www.lwechurch.com

The Compass Church
1551 Hobson Rd
Naperville, IL 60540-9429
http://www.efcn.org

OpenID lazarusnorth May 12, 2015 5:30 PM  

It's a bit far, but there's a Reformed pastor in Charlotte, MI, who is wise to the evil of egalitarianism, racial and otherwise.

http://ironink.org/2015/05/r-j-rushdoonys-otto-scotts-proto-kinism/

I doubt anyone wants to drive 3 hours to church on Sunday, but it's worth checking out.

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 5:34 PM  

ya know... Brainstorm never sounded ominous to me before... But now it kinda does.

Brain Storm.

Anonymous BGS May 12, 2015 5:39 PM  

There's this guy I've heard of named Rev Wright.

FYI 3 gay guys from his church got killed right before the 2008 election the moms blamed dating Obama as the problem http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/04/04/another-of-obamas-gay-young-men-died-mysteriously/

Here's the thing about Hurricanes... Hurricanes always take out the trash.

Sandy sure didn't do that to NYC. Although I did burn a few bridges when I tried to explain to people that the gay meningitis outbreak tracked back to a bath house that followed wouldn't have been as bad if Nanny Bloomers didn't turn away the national guard & use crony capitalism to scam 100 ambulances & 200 healthcare workers into doing nothing for 5 days for the same payout as if they where doing 16hour shifts burning through supplies.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/how-obamas-fema-criminally-botched-the-hurricane-recovery-effort/

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 12, 2015 5:46 PM  

"Brainstorm never sounded ominous to me before... But now it kinda does."

Title of next Dresden novel?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 12, 2015 5:47 PM  

For this webinar, are we going to have a specific topic to discuss? I haven't had time to finish the first chapter of the book yet. Are we merely meeting up at this point?

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 12, 2015 5:47 PM  

BGS, you're not too gay to use punctuation. Nobody loves a run-on.

Blogger Aercho May 12, 2015 5:48 PM  

OT, but interesting: Moody's just downgraded Chicago to junk bond status (Ba1).

Blogger jaericho (#107) May 12, 2015 5:50 PM  

I'm an LCMSer and I've heard of Bethany Lutheran Church in Napersville. They support the Issues Etc. radio program and Worldview Everlasting. http://issuesetc.org/findachurch My own church supports Issues Etc.

That might be a good starting point.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 12, 2015 5:50 PM  

Northern Hamlet, per the post: "This is going to be a short test of the system I'm considering. If you want to help out by seeing if it works, register and we'll give it a shot."

Anonymous Anonymous May 12, 2015 5:55 PM  

http://news.yahoo.com/study-finds-fewer-christians-more-unaffiliated-us-053705957.html

Wonder why?

Blogger tihald May 12, 2015 5:55 PM  

"St johms cantius is a solid latin mass church and that prompted my conversion"

One of the few things I miss about Chicago.

Anonymous Billy May 12, 2015 6:12 PM  

Eastern Orthodox

Blogger JAU May 12, 2015 6:20 PM  

I LOVE St. John's, beautiful mass, beautiful church.

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 6:30 PM  

" Nobody loves a run-on."

you've obviously never read Marx. trust me... someone... loves a run-on.

Anonymous Moldbugger May 12, 2015 6:30 PM  

Roman Catholic

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 6:32 PM  

"Sandy sure didn't do that to NYC."

Sandy was a moderate thunderstorm. if new yorkers weren't such giant pussies it wouldn't even have been a news story.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 12, 2015 6:42 PM  

"If you have any suggestions, comment below."

Get out while you still can.

Blogger njartist May 12, 2015 6:57 PM  

Christians are not meant to be running from church building to church building: We are to know the voice of our Master. If we don't hear it: leave: we are responsible for whom we support and to whom we listen.
If the visible church has gone apostate, we are to come out of it. Considering someone a Christian only if he attends a church is false: it is judging by the flesh and not the Spirit. We are to come out of Babylon: that includes its "churches."

Blogger Brad Andrews May 12, 2015 6:59 PM  

Guitar Man,

They were fine on other doctrine and do the "preach through the Scriptures" bit. It is just when they hit there that the "mutual submission" and other idiotic things come out.

They may not stop for it on Mothers day, but that doesn't mean they haven't imbibed some of it, quite unfortunately.

I believe that included Chuck Smith at times too, but it has been a while since I listened to his specific comments there, so I could be wrong. (Chuck Smith founded that group, for those who did not know.)

Blogger Brad Andrews May 12, 2015 7:00 PM  

Guitar Man,

They were fine on other doctrine and do the "preach through the Scriptures" bit. It is just when they hit there that the "mutual submission" and other idiotic things come out.

They may not stop for it on Mothers day, but that doesn't mean they haven't imbibed some of it, quite unfortunately.

I believe that included Chuck Smith at times too, but it has been a while since I listened to his specific comments there, so I could be wrong. (Chuck Smith founded that group, for those who did not know.)

Blogger roundeye May 12, 2015 7:03 PM  

He retired. You are looking for Father Pflager at St. Sabina, if you want your liberation theology with a touch of buggery.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 May 12, 2015 7:05 PM  

Ok, this is funny,

I know it's an automated response but getting an email from Vox that starts "Dear Difster," is highly amusing.

Blogger Matamoros May 12, 2015 7:07 PM  

Definitely try St. John Cantius.

OpenID simplytimothy May 12, 2015 7:22 PM  

3am my time. A little extreme for me. If it still open next time, I'll try again.

8 pm my time and that is past my bedtime (:

I hope it goes well for you.



p.s. I just now saw the update at 100 max, so I will unregister after submitting this comment.

Anonymous Moldbugger May 12, 2015 7:47 PM  

"It's a bit far, but there's a Reformed pastor in Charlottpe, MI, "

Good luck getting Mass there. Yikes.

Anonymous Too Personal May 12, 2015 7:53 PM  

Non-denominational, Family Integrated, Homeschooled, Small (~50 to 75 per week), Lots of Children

Christ Fellowship Church
Naperville, Illinois

Was visiting relatives this Mother's Day, but last year we didn't mention it at all in the service. Exegetical preaching, not a single committee in sight, no Sunday School, just Christian teaching and fellowship. A little wacky about homeschooling, but that suits us to a T.

Anonymous Randall May 12, 2015 7:55 PM  

I attend a Great Commission church in West Virginia, and I love it. The Great Commission Churches web site lists one located in West Chicago not far from Lemont. http://www.gccweb.org/about/find-a-church

I also have friends who attend Great Commission churches in other cities, and they are very happy there as well.

Great Commission churches are non-denominational, and each individual church is relatively autonomous. It's an association of churches that follows more of a bottom-up affiliation rather than a top-down hierarchy.

I can't guarantee what you'll find there, but it would be the first placed I checked out if I ever moved to the area.

Anonymous EG May 12, 2015 8:24 PM  

For the Ilk member looking for a church near Lemont, IL, I would recommend All Saints Church in Chicago (the priest is fantastic), if an Orthodox church would appeal to him. For something more Prot-inclined, try All Saints Anglican Parish in Bolingbrook or Good Shepherd Lutheran in Downers Grove.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 12, 2015 8:37 PM  

SamuraiJack: "Lol best comment on the thread. I don't think the REV allows any white devils in his "Con-gragation""

Shoe polish.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 12, 2015 8:52 PM  

I wonder what the over/under is on the NSA wiretapping a video conference of the Evil Legion of Evil.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 12, 2015 9:03 PM  

Yes this could be very interesting. Thanks & good night.

Blogger Harsh May 12, 2015 9:04 PM  

That was great. I think the format has a lot of potential and I'm looking forward to future installments. My only criticism is I expected to see more of Nate's ugly mug.

Blogger Student in Blue (#21) May 12, 2015 9:04 PM  

I think Citrix is doable. If the beeps and boops from other people asking questions goes away, I don't think I have any complaints.

Anonymous Valiant May 12, 2015 9:05 PM  

That was great. I enjoyed the talks. I would definitely do it again. I want to officially reserve a spot for these events.

Blogger Douglas Wardell May 12, 2015 9:07 PM  

That was fun. I'm looking forward to what comes next. I think it's worth finding some way for everyone to chat though, like maybe IRC.

Anonymous Leonidas May 12, 2015 9:07 PM  

General thoughts:

* Came in late, so I missed a bunch. But on the plus side, it let me join in late.
* All I saw the whole time was a browser window that looked like it was just showing your control panel for the webinar. There were a few times when it sounded like people were asking questions about things they saw in your room. Never saw them. I don't know if that's because I'm using Chrome, using Linux, because I came in late, or just some kind of bug. Thought it worth mentioning.
* My schedule is too hectic to participate in something like this every single time, yet I'm very interested. I might be willing to shell out $20 a month or so... but only if there's a way that I could get some sort of record of the ones that I missed. Otherwise, if I'm going to miss half of them it's not worth paying for.

Blogger rycamor May 12, 2015 9:07 PM  

Worked pretty well. The only thing as Nate mentioned, it would be nice to see others' questions.

Then again, if we let the Ilk interact too much, things might get rambunctious.

Anonymous Leonidas May 12, 2015 9:08 PM  

I wonder what the over/under is on the NSA wiretapping a video conference of the Evil Legion of Evil.

At the same time that I was listening to this, my wife is attending an online class hosted by Larry Correia. She literally just said, "I bet the NSA is having a field day with us."

Blogger Patrikbc #0344 May 12, 2015 9:11 PM  

Well figures, I missed the post to sign up. I hope I can catch the next one, I think it's a great idea, is there any Ilk around the Lancaster, Pa area besides me?

Blogger Markku May 12, 2015 9:16 PM  

Yeah, the video thing was weird. I didn't get the video for most of the first part either. Then, Nate's webcam was turned on for a moment, and that made both Nate and Vox appear. Then Vox continued to be on screen for the rest of the time.

Anonymous VoK May 12, 2015 9:16 PM  

Good times. I enjoyed it. Good fielding of random questions.

I wish attendees could see all of the chat messages.

My thoughts on public speaking, at least in this case: remember, you're evil. The evil horrible despicable casted-out dark-side man of the internet. Play with the lighting. Deepen the voice.

My thoughts on Nate: lose the cap. Suit up, slacker.

Anonymous Jeromus May 12, 2015 9:17 PM  

@Leonidas

All I saw the whole time was a browser window that looked like it was just showing your control panel for the webinar. There were a few times when it sounded like people were asking questions about things they saw in your room. Never saw them. I don't know if that's because I'm using Chrome, using Linux, because I came in late, or just some kind of bug. Thought it worth mentioning.

Were you using Chrome OS? I had to switch computers because I had the same issue.

Blogger Underwater Operative May 12, 2015 9:18 PM  

Good meeting. I'm looking forward to the paid membership to get a guaranteed spot on the webinars.

As for chatting, we could use a different channel like a jabber server. I happen to know another Ilk who is running one.

Anonymous Leonidas May 12, 2015 9:19 PM  

Chrome browser on Fedora OS.

Blogger rycamor May 12, 2015 9:23 PM  

Vox--regarding the Brainstorm topics, I would love to get us mixing it up on theology, free will, math, and logic. Consider Gödel, Escher, Bach, Human Action and perhaps... Augustine? Am I reaching here?

Blogger Josh May 12, 2015 9:25 PM  

I would like to see a discussion of distributism, is that too low brow for the brainstorm group?

Blogger Student in Blue (#21) May 12, 2015 9:31 PM  

I'd like to chat about video games. Is that so wrong?

I think it'd be a good discussion to maybe "revisit" the socio-sexual hierarchy. Aka, how well has it worked out, did we learn anything new, other ways to apply it (like in the fiction topics you brought up a couple of times, Vox).

Blogger Douglas Wardell May 12, 2015 9:37 PM  

Regarding video, I didn't see it at first. I had to click the webcam dropdown and select "show all webcams" or something like that to see Vox.

Anonymous Axe Head May 12, 2015 9:41 PM  

Distributism is only happening when society is cut down to human scale. Right now we're in the cancer stage (parasitic "growth").

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 9:43 PM  

"My thoughts on Nate: lose the cap. Suit up, slacker."

blow me.

you have no idea how close you came to actually getting mooned tonight.

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 9:44 PM  

"hey vox... flip me the bird if you can hear this"

We ilk are nothing if not classy.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 12, 2015 9:53 PM  

If we can't get group chat working, then someone other than Vox should own the meeting, so that he doesn't get distracted by trying to answer all the questions. Meeting owner can pitch the good stuff at Vox.

Blogger Tallawampus May 12, 2015 9:53 PM  

Gotowebinar worked well. It was supper time here and I went outside to grill some dead cow while Vox was talking - switched over to the Android version without a hitch or hiccup and listened outside on my phone. It let me run it on PC and Android simultaneously which was handy.

The screen on my phone wasn't any good for seeing Vox or the screen well, but audio worked great.

I'd love to have the option of buying it as a recording to listen to later if you can't attend live. Tonight it was right at 6:00 P.M here in the mountain time zone which is prime distraction time from the wife and kids.


Blogger Markku May 12, 2015 10:01 PM  

So, I have an idea. We just "brand" this series of posts somehow, like "halfbaked ideas" or something. Every post has a clear disclaimer that this is not anything that Vox is not willing to defend at this point, unlike everything else he has said. If someone tries to ignore it and quote things out of context, I'm sure he'll be met with at least dozen minions right away, pointing to the very clear disclaimer and how the person quoting it is clearly knowingly dishonest. Also, the comments in the thread operate in different principles. If you are even slightly annoying, you get the boot. No explanation.

Then, these ideas get developed further in the brainstorms.

Because right now the major problem is, it's really hard to think of anything interesting on the spot. But then we would have the topics already introduced.

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 10:17 PM  

I would love to discuss my pet theory that time is in fact bullshit... and that the math involved only involves measuring rates... and the notion of time travel itself is ludicrous because there is no such thing as a cosmic DVR.

What may appear "mathmatically possible" is irrelevant... because math is the map... not the land.

Anonymous CH May 12, 2015 10:22 PM  

"My thoughts on Nate: lose the cap. Suit up, slacker."

Nate needs to man up and grow a pair.

Anonymous VoK May 12, 2015 10:23 PM  

"blow me.

you have no idea how close you came to actually getting mooned tonight."

I guess I can only imagine how nasty that ass looks. Because close is mouthbreathing.

Suit up, slacker.

I like your words. Pay attention to the other parts of you.

Blogger maniacprovost May 12, 2015 10:30 PM  

Time is an illusion. That's the straightforward interpretation of general relativity. But the interesting thing is, if time does not exist, then free will and omniscience can coexist.

Anonymous Lana May 12, 2015 10:30 PM  

I came in about the halfway point as I misread the time. I had no problems at all, very easy to work in. I agree with all who said reading the questions being responded to would have been nice. I didn't try to ask anything or comment but I'm not sure I would have been able to tell if the comment/question went through.

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 10:30 PM  

"I like your words. Pay attention to the other parts of you."

Look mate I had no intention of even turning on that webcam. I only did it because I needed to test something... and it worked. it told me Vox could see and hear me... but I couldn't hear him.

if I had known... I would've worn my ELOE shirt.

Blogger rycamor May 12, 2015 10:31 PM  

NOW we're getting somewhere...

Anonymous JRL May 12, 2015 10:31 PM  

a discussion of distributism

Seconded. Have Toadpipe add it to the list.

I would love to get us mixing it up on theology, free will, math, and logic. Consider Gödel, Escher, Bach, Human Action and perhaps... Augustine?

The possibilities are nearly endless. Just need a heads up a month or two in advance so those of us on the shady side of the Tower of Intellect can do some pondering.

I am getting tingles up my leg


Blogger Tallawampus May 12, 2015 10:52 PM  

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Blogger Tallawampus May 12, 2015 10:58 PM  

Nate's hat was on straight with a curved brim in the full forward position, that's right and proper around here.

#0198

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 11:05 PM  

"Nate's hat was on straight with a curved brim in the full forward position, that's right and proper around here."

amen.

and it has an Aperture Science logo. What more could ask for?

Blogger Nate May 12, 2015 11:12 PM  

also... I'm going to hell for this... but if you happen to have the news on right now...


The Amtrack train is fine.

I repeat.

The train is fine.

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 12, 2015 11:14 PM  

Polka Rammstein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5xSxGhlHfc

Blogger automatthew 0062 May 12, 2015 11:16 PM  

"also... I'm going to hell for this... but if you happen to have the news on right now..."

I believe that's deeply overdetermined.

Anonymous TroperA May 12, 2015 11:17 PM  

Stunning new data suggest Christianity in America may finally be toast http://slnm.us/iEDlwTI

I find it interesting that the folks in the comment section are blaming "evil, mean, bigoted, cisgender no-hopey-changey evangelical churches" for the decline in attendance instead of churches watering down their messages so they can appeal to the Tumblr Crowd and get a pat on the head from the local Feminist-Progressive Commissariat.

If you're a typical Millenial SJW, why would you bother going to church to get preached at when you can just sit in front of your computer and get bathed in the Righteous Fire of Indignant Crusaderism courtesy of your fellow Tumblrites?

Blogger maniacprovost May 12, 2015 11:24 PM  

In my opinion there's also been an intellectual flight from the churches.. not just among irreligious midwits, but among millenials who have been raised to treat organisation and authority with contempt. Sort of a more-honest "I'm against organised religion" thing.

A lot of them are in smaller churches, "home churches," etc.

Blogger rycamor May 12, 2015 11:47 PM  

@ JRL

You keep your tingles to yourself. We're the Dread Ilk. The only tingles we feel are in our hands, when they haven't held a weapon for awhile.

Anonymous JRL May 13, 2015 12:05 AM  

*TINGLING INTENSIFIES*

Anonymous JRL May 13, 2015 12:24 AM  

...in the hands dammit. Tingling intensifies IN THE HANDS

Anonymous JRL May 13, 2015 12:25 AM  

and I'm onto you captcha - THERE IS NO BURRITO

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 13, 2015 2:42 AM  

The interesting thing is the people that remain are not the ones you expect.

Perfect.

Vivian James was born and raised in Hermann, Missouri. Her mother is from old German stock, her father is of Irish descent, and when not playing vidya, she attends the local LCMS church where she tries to pay attention in the youth group.

Blogger grendel May 13, 2015 3:26 AM  

Every time a puppy or an ilk says "We don't care" I think of the stupid Lorde song.

And everybody's like racist sexist homophobic dipshits
haters posers tranny bashing nitwits
we don't care, we're driving HUMMVS in our dreams
Hugos Campbells lesbians in sandals
Scalzi Pakman dinosaurs and wereseals
we don't care, we're not caught in your gay love affair

and we'll never be rabbits, it's just not in our blood
that kind of life just ain't for us, we'll be runnin' with the pack
and we could have minions, and they could compost worm tea
and grow pumpkins...let me live that fantasy



Anonymous VoK May 13, 2015 5:29 AM  

"if I had known... I would've worn my ELOE shirt."

I can not argue with this. I retract my ball breaking.

Anonymous Difster May 13, 2015 7:43 AM  

The whole thing worked very well. The entry/exit beep needs to go away, that was my only complaint.

OpenID adamalanproverbs May 13, 2015 7:51 AM  

I also could not see any video feeds. Just a cursor on blue and later VDs moving cursor over the control panel. And I had to call in to get audio.

The huge missing thing is a group chat. And the ability to download webinars that were missed is key I think for charging.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus May 13, 2015 9:20 AM  

I think it worked pretty well.

I only saw Vox's webcam, so no worries about Nate mooning. I didn't think that Citrix was missing the attendee chat-pool feature where the attendees and questions were.

Nate, I expected you to sound like the actor Fred Thompson.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodus May 13, 2015 9:22 AM  

"and it has an Aperture Science logo. What more could ask for?"

Damn. Now I'm jealous.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 13, 2015 9:51 AM  

"I would love to discuss my pet theory that time is in fact bullshit... and that the math involved only involves measuring rates... and the notion of time travel itself is ludicrous because there is no such thing as a cosmic DVR."

That's what I think too.

Blogger Markku May 13, 2015 11:05 AM  

Time is a variable of the Schrödinger Equation, and quantum fields are the building block of the universe. Things happen as the fields oscillate. For X to happen, requires Y oscillations.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus May 13, 2015 1:15 PM  

I have heard the theory of that we observe/perceive the Arrow of Time to proceed forwards as a consequence of the chemical and quantum reactions in our brains not necessarily because time objectively always proceeds forwards.

Blogger Sean May 13, 2015 1:19 PM  

I enjoyed to webcast. I think a chat feature would be nice and I would enjoy the opportunity to interact with the other ilk, but it is not necessary in fulfilling the purpose of the webcast and could distract for it. In other words I am good with or without it.

Definitely some issues with the Iphone app, but I'm not sure that matters because I wouldn't normally use it for the webcast.

Would it be possible to sign up for automatically payment every month to get the $20 price or will that only be a lump sum for the year cost. And if we pay for the year, but we are unable to attend, will these be recorded to listen/view later?

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus May 13, 2015 1:19 PM  

Another pet peeve I have are the so-called proofs that super-luminal communications are impossible because they violate relativity.

Every example I have seen always throws time-dilation into the mix to cause the appearance of a violation from the frame of the receiver, but never the original sender. Even Einstein didn't think superluminal communication was necessarily a violation.

Blogger Sean May 13, 2015 1:21 PM  

And in reference to an earlier comment, the beeps and boops we heard on the call were not from people asking questions, but from people coming and going from the call (at least that's what's my experience in these online meetings like citrix and webex has been).

It gets bad with a large number like we had last night and I have no idea if that is something that can be turned off.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) May 13, 2015 5:44 PM  

Every example I have seen always throws time-dilation into the mix to cause the appearance of a violation from the frame of the receiver, but never the original sender. Even Einstein didn't think superluminal communication was necessarily a violation.

I thought it was necessary to establish when things are happening since there is no absolute universe clock. If information gets somewhere superluminally, there would exist a path which allows the information to go back to the sender before it was sent.

Alas, I do not remember any of the math to get to that conclusion.

Blogger Markku May 13, 2015 5:59 PM  

Yes, if there is a spaceship one light year away, it is one year in the past from earth's perspective. Similarly, the earth is one year in the past from its perspective. So, send today's newspaper there at, say, TWICE the speed of light, and have them send it back. Now the contents are received one year before the newspaper is published. Then, change the future by doing something that prevents those things from happening.

Blogger Markku May 13, 2015 6:05 PM  

The thought experiment doesn't, of course, prove it impossible. But our intuition says that weird, Donnie Darko time loops do not actually happen. So, until we know otherwise, it seems safer to assume the universe makes more sense, rather than less sense.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus May 13, 2015 7:26 PM  

No, Markku the spaceships separated by one light year are not one year in the past with respect to each other, it is only that the latest messages received (lightspeed limited) are a year out of date. While one ship is receiving a year old message, the other spaceship is still there transmitting messages that will take another year to arrive. At best we say that the ships appear to be a year out of date to each other only because of message delay.

If we had a super luminal communications device, say something based on a hypothetical quantum entanglement device, which has an estimated propagation velocity of 10000c, the messages would take about 53 minutes to arrive.

Assuming the ships are stationary, or at least not moving at relativistic speeds where time dilation becomes significant, there is no way that the proposed "tachyonic anti telephone" scenario occurs where the original sender gets a reply before they even send a message. Round trip message times would still be 106 minutes. Wiki has an article on "tachyonic antitelephones" where they attempt to demonstrate with ships traveling apart from each other at 0.8c that a scenario occurs where the original sender gets a reply before they send the message. All they demonstrate is a case where it may *appear* to the receiving ship that their reply gets back to the original sender before they think it was sent. Of course, this assumes people that can build and crew relativistic spacecraft are too ignorant to compensate for time dilation on their vessels, for instance by keeping track of ship clocks vs estimated Flat time clocks.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) May 13, 2015 8:26 PM  

Round trip message times would still be 106 minutes. Wiki has an article on "tachyonic antitelephones" where they attempt to demonstrate with ships traveling apart from each other at 0.8c that a scenario occurs where the original sender gets a reply before they send the message.

The 1D case between two points seems to work. But I think once you start trying to synch multiple points in space/time sending superluminal messages to each other, you start tripping over causality. It's not enough to show that this one path seems okay; there exists more than one path, and some of those paths allow the message to get there before it is sent.

When you remove the relative movement from each other; you've created a scenario where the sender/receiver are in the same inertial reference frame. The thing is that we don't live in a universe where everything is in the same inertial reference frame; and IIRC, the math shows that a causality violating path will exist if superluminal messages/travel is possible.

It doesn't mean that superluminal is impossible; just that causality requires non-superluminal.

Blogger Markku May 13, 2015 9:45 PM  

No, Markku the spaceships separated by one light year are not one year in the past with respect to each other, it is only that the latest messages received (lightspeed limited) are a year out of date.

This is false. It is the intuitive model, that assumes a universal "correct" time, so that the message is a year out of date with regards to the reference time. Everyone starts with that assumption. But it doesn't check out. The "now" of an object one light year away is indeed one year in the past, and not our now, but we only know it a year late. That is the only model where the four-dimensional spacetime makes sense.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 13, 2015 11:12 PM  

I disagree. Nor does thinking about it in those terms mandate a Universal "correct" time, or preferred frame of reference for the purposes of this discussion. The "now" of an object one light year away is not one year in our past. It is "now", within a certain precision factor, but one that we will not be able to get information about for one year. The Earth's moon is not 1.25 seconds in our local past. It is there now, only with 1.25s of delay in passing information. Not knowing is not the same thing as not being. We may not be able to ascertain what is occurring elsewhere immediately, but events are occurring elsewhere.

"The 1D case between two points seems to work. But I think once you start trying to synch multiple points in space/time sending superluminal messages to each other, you start tripping over causality."

You have to be careful with separating the appearance of violating causality with actually violating causality. The examples often cited almost always mix relativistic travel with superluminal messaging, where we are dealing with a high Lorentz factor which makes the Lorentz transform results for travel and transit times deviate from the "classical" calculations.

For instance in a One-Way example if you look at the Lorentz transformation for relative velocity V and signal propagation velocity A, the arrival time of the message is T = (1 - AV/c^2) / SQRT(1 - (V^2)/(c^2)). This means that T could be negative, for certain values of A and V you could end up with a negative T. The point being for certain values of A and V, but not *all*.

The same thing applies for two way problems. The math again shows that there are certain values of relative velocity V and signal propagation velocity A ( where A > c) that could produce paradoxical values for T, but again not all. I think it shows that for certain combinations of values, there could appear from certain frames a violation of causality, but I am not sure that it demonstrates for the frame of the original sender that they would ever see a reply before they sent the original.

"When you remove the relative movement from each other; you've created a scenario where the sender/receiver are in the same inertial reference frame. The thing is that we don't live in a universe where everything is in the same inertial reference frame".

Agreed, although I'm not saying you need zero relative velocity between sender/receiver, but simply less than relativistic velocity between the two points. I do this because I think adding the high Lorentz factor / time dilation effects muddies the water. You can have a pretty high velocity before relativistic effects start to dominate. Even at 0.1c relative velocity the Lorentz factor is only 1.009. A much more "realizable" relative velocity of, say 1000km/s has a gamma of only 1.00003.

For example, the relative velocity of a ship orbiting Proxima Centauri 4.3LY away and a ship orbiting the Earth is probably only about 30km/s, which leaves a very very small deviation ( 1 part in 100,000,000 ). I think the math shows that above a certain point for relative velocity and propagation velocity there could certainly be an appearance of a causality violation, from certain points, but that doesn't mean that there really exists one for the sender.

Blogger Markku May 14, 2015 8:45 AM  

The Earth's moon is not 1.25 seconds in our local past. It is there now, only with 1.25s of delay in passing information. Not knowing is not the same thing as not being. We may not be able to ascertain what is occurring elsewhere immediately, but events are occurring elsewhere.

But it IS in the past, and not merely in a "now" that we don't know about. That's the etire point. Light doesn't bring the information to us, it brings reality to us. However, I'm not at home right now. I remember this having been demonstrated in the Modern Physics coursebook to my satisfaction, but it's been over ten years. When I get there, I'll see. But I do remember that different speeds of aging for two different humans in two different reference frames does not make sense at all in a universe that has a singular "now" everywhere, and where light merely provides knowledge of it to other points in the universe.

Blogger Markku May 14, 2015 10:36 AM  

At the time, I also remember thinking about it in design terms. I haven't developed this like of thinking though, so I can't guarantee that these are the reasons.

But, the obvious, immediate question on everyone's mind after first hearing about the full implications of relativity, and reality being transferred in "event bubbles" starting from the event origin to other points in spacetime, where the "now" rides the border of the bubble, is "WHY?!"

Well, as far as I can tell, if the universe was instead designed in the naive fashion - in a three-dimensional expanding ball - then things would only behave in a sensible way in the exact center. Every other point would get absolutely weird red and blue shifts depending on whether they are looking towards the center, or away from it. As those points would be moving, and light would also be moving. The frequency would be the difference between the planet's movement and the light's. Relativity makes every point in the universe behave the same.

Also, when I looked into the mathematics of a photon, it seemed to me that the function implies a photon will just spread out all over the universe, like an egg dropped on the floor, almost instantaneously. So, how come they are these tiny things then, when the formula implies that instead we should just see a porridge of electromagnetic radiation?

Well, I thought, perhaps time dilation exists just for that purpose. So that the entirety of time, from big bang to big crunch or heat death, is just an infinitesimally short moment from the photon's point of view. It doesn't have time to turn into photon porridge.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 14, 2015 12:40 PM  

"But it IS in the past, and not merely in a "now" that we don't know about. That's the entire point. Light doesn't bring the information to us, it brings reality to us."

"and reality being transferred in "event bubbles"

I see your point, Markku, though I will still disagree that what we are seeing transferred is "reality" v.s. "information about reality".

For the Photon, are you talking about the probability distribution/density? I would think that the tails are so small as to be zero for large distances?

In terms of time-dilation, we definitely see that effect on relativistic particles, a relativistic stream of short-lived mu mesons travels farther than we would expect due to time dilation.

I've wondered if the dilation effect is due to items having to traverse space at-velocity, rather space appearing curved to those objects travelling at-velocity.

I have read that for Alcubierre Warp bubble topologies, the ship in the center of the bubble would be at-rest in a patch of flat space-time and would experience no relativistic effect, even though the bubble as a whole could be moving at many times c.

Blogger Markku May 14, 2015 1:17 PM  

For the Photon, are you talking about the probability distribution/density? I would think that the tails are so small as to be zero for large distances?

If I recall correctly, yes; But remember that what the photon fundamentally IS, is the original wave function (which has phase and amplitude), the square of which then gives us the probability density. And I remember that function spreading out shockingly fast with regards to time. I remember thinking, "who the hell gives this formula in a textbook, and then doesn't explain why the photons we ACTUALLY see, appear to be tiny dots when they hit a light-sensitive plate?"

And my guess was extreme time dilation. A photon just has no time to spread out.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 14, 2015 3:05 PM  

So (and I don't know) do they show signs of smearing-out when they are driven through extremely high refractive index materials where the speed of light down to meters per seconds or even stop it?

Then again the methods by which that occurs may be preventing the "smearing out" of the photons.

Blogger Markku May 14, 2015 3:20 PM  

So (and I don't know) do they show signs of smearing-out when they are driven through extremely high refractive index materials where the speed of light down to meters per seconds or even stop it?

Your guess was correct - even though the appearance of light passing through dielectric RESEMBLES light passing through vacuum, they are very different phenomena. A single photon only passes between two adjacent molecules. The next molecule gets charged that way, and emits the next photon. That's why it's so slow. And the greater the concentration of molecules, and therefore the more times this process has to repeat before the surface emits the photons that survive, the slower the ray moves.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 14, 2015 3:38 PM  

Reading about it , yes, I see that the mechanisms are complex, and probably keep the photons collimated ( for want of a better word ) in group.

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