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Friday, May 08, 2015

That's not going to happen

Cail Corishev observes the fundamental difference between the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies this year:
Nice Guys believe that A) SJWs can learn, and B) compromise with them is possible.

When the downtrodden, outnumbered Hero finally gets the upper hand, he's supposed to nobly offer a truce to his Enemy. His Enemy will be so impressed by his fortitude and nobility that he will gain a new respect for the Hero, and they will forge a new, better understanding based on mutual respect. Everyone lives happily ever after. Think of all the fantasy stories and buddy movies that are based on that kind of reversal.

So now that Vox has the SJWs on the ropes, he's supposed to back away and offer them a draw, and they're supposed to be so relieved and impressed that they turn over a new leaf. Then everyone can get along and just focus on good writing.

But as Corwin said to Borel outside the Courts of Chaos, this isn't the Olympic Games. If the Hero offers a truce, his Enemy will only use that to prepare another attack on him -- probably a knife in the back. The Hero has no choice but to carry the battle until it's over and the Enemy is entirely vanquished (sometimes in the stories he learns this after multiple attempts at a truce fail). Nice Guys have a very hard time accepting that.
Apparently Aristotle was not a Nice Guy:

"Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct."

Recall what numerous Gammas have told us is the core of the Gamma male: the relentless ability to lie to himself in order to make himself feel better. This means SJWs cannot learn and they cannot compromise. Any information, any evidence, that is laid before him will be immediately discounted and disqualified if it creates badfeels. Even if he accepts a ceasefire because he has been sufficiently defeated or frightened, he will learn nothing from the experience and will return to the attack as soon as doing so will make him feel better.

Scalzi is instructive in his regard. Hostilities went dormant after the 2005 exchange once I offered to review Old Man's War and gave it a positive review. (Gamma goodfeels.) Then in 2010, when I criticized Scalzi's most popular post ever, the idiotic "Easiest Difficulty Setting" post, (Gamma badfeels) hostilities were immediately revived and led quickly to all the RSHD accusations, the attacks on the readers here, the Guardian plot, and so forth. No learning ever took place. The hostility was there all along, it was merely in the Gamma's interest to conceal it for a while.

Sad Puppies 3 failed in its primary objective because the objective was an impossible one stemming from a failure to apply the first half of Sun Tzu's dictum: know your enemy. Rabid Puppies has succeeded to date, and will continue to succeed, because we apply both halves of the dictum: know your enemy and know yourself.

We do ourselves no favors by dismissing the enemy as idiots. Many are, but some are not. The SJWs will win some battles, they will succeed in discrediting or marginalizing or intimidating some of us. Puppies will burn out and drop out over time. And when we take hits, when we take damage, that is when we will find out who we really are and if we really know ourselves. Now, it's absolutely fine if you're not in this for the long haul. We have a need and a place for short-term shock troops. There is no shame in such status and you will have nothing but the gratitude of those of us who will remain on the field. Should you wish to return to the fight in the future, we will gladly welcome back the well-rested veterans of past battles.

But it's important for each Rabid Puppy, each member of the Dread Ilk, to decide if you're in it for a battle, a campaign, or a war. (The Vile Faceless Minions of the Evil Legion of Evil don't need to decide anything, obviously, their Supreme Dark Lord doesn't not-pay them to think, he not-pays them to rend SJWs limb-from-limb and devour them.) You don't need to do anything or say anything, you just need to know exactly who you are.

As for me, you know who I am. And you know where I'll be.

On a tangential note, M raises a good point about coordinating for Worldcon in August. I'll leave the discussion to those thinking about attending, but feel free to make initial contacts and discuss ideas in the comments.
I live in Vancouver and am considering attending Sasquan to help support the sad/rabid puppies initiative with a physical presence at the event. Even though I'm on the west coast it would still be expensive getting there with accommodations and everything by myself. I'm hoping to connect with others in my area who would be interested in upgrading their membership and splitting travel and accommodation costs. If you know of anywhere that people like me can go to connect with each other and try and  make arrangements please let me know. Otherwise perhaps we should try and put the word out to everyone and direct them to a facebook group or something to organize? I think it's important we have a good amount of supporters at the event.

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Blogger Nate Winchester May 08, 2015 8:14 AM  

Hmmm... tough because Christians are called to have mercy on their enemies, but you're not wrong about utter defeat sometimes being needed. On the other hand, as we learned from 3 days ago and Sofie, sometimes the narrative does happen, enemies become friends.

Anyone have thoughts on how to distinguish between new friends and ever foes? Or is it a "3 strikes" like rule? (we'll show mercy once, but not twice)

Anonymous AlteredFate (#92) May 08, 2015 8:26 AM  

tough because Christians are called to have mercy on their enemies...

That just means you can't torture them too much before finishing them off.

Blogger Danby May 08, 2015 8:27 AM  

@Nate
Repentance.
Not them going quiet. Not them admitting we're winning, but "I was wrong to do XYZ, I'm sorry"
And even then, we have to forgive, but only God forgives and forgets. We aren't required to open ourselves to exploitation or attack.

So when they have surrendered, AND they have apologized, then we stop EXCEPT we don't let them into positions of influence, ever,

Blogger Student in Blue (#21) May 08, 2015 8:27 AM  

I am proud to be a not-paid member of this fine Legion.

Blogger VFM 188 May 08, 2015 8:35 AM  

...and I repeat here what I said before, addressing the same posting by Corishev that Vox talks about above:

@CC: Very insightful analysis of Brad's words and actions. But I like Brad. He's got a kindness and generosity of spirit that makes him likable, yet at the same time it makes him easy meat for the SJW's. He is a Russian Menshevik circa 1916, before the minority Bolsheviks seized power and started exterminating his kind.

But in Russia in 1917 there were no Rabid Puppies, i.e. a revolutionary faction prepared to attack and destroy the Bolsheviks before they could seize power and install the murderous dictatorship they always wanted. So in a sense the Rabid Puppies are protecting the Sad Puppies from an attempted putsch by the Bolsheviks...I mean the SWJ's.

Bottom line: the Sad Puppies are good people, they just don't fully understand the vicious depravity of their SJW enemies. Rabid Puppies do. Oh do we ever....

Signed: A not-paid, for the long haul or as long as the mortal coil lasts.

Blogger VD May 08, 2015 8:36 AM  

Hmmm... tough because Christians are called to have mercy on their enemies, but you're not wrong about utter defeat sometimes being needed.

It's not tough. Danby is right. Repentance, apology, and no influence ever.

Blogger Buddy E. May 08, 2015 8:43 AM  

I can't make sasquan, but I do intend to make MAC in Kansas City. I think this sort of organizing is incredibly important as any rule changes to cut out supporting memberships or give some nebulous body the ability to reject valid ballots for why reason must be stopped.

Blogger AmyJ May 08, 2015 8:43 AM  

One of the hardest things I have learned here is the concept that you aren't required to forgive or embrace the unrepentant and that the Churchian idea of forgiving and accepting everyone without the expectation and requirement of change is unbiblical.

God doesn't forgive the unrepentant; why should we?

Blogger Buddy E. May 08, 2015 8:46 AM  

That should be "any reason". Autocorrect for the fail.

Blogger Buddy E. May 08, 2015 8:46 AM  

I can't make sasquan, but I do intend to make MAC in Kansas City. I think this sort of organizing is incredibly important as any rule changes to cut out supporting memberships or give some nebulous body the ability to reject valid ballots for why reason must be stopped.

Anonymous Cash May 08, 2015 8:49 AM  

Damn, it's been five years since the easiest setting post?

Blogger VFM 188 May 08, 2015 8:53 AM  

Very interesting article with application to the RP war against the attempted SJW dictatorship in fandom (history writ small):

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/05/brandon-smith/when-the-power-elite-wage-war-on-americans/

Blogger bob k. mando May 08, 2015 8:57 AM  

Spokane shooting range:
http://spokanerifleclub.com/

for those who are interested in side travel while going to Spokane, the Okanagan river up to Kelowna BC is very nice, also includes a lot of vineyards and Canada's only desert, 250 miles.

Couer d'Alene Idaho is within 25 miles of pretty much any place in Spokane.

there's not really anything in Enterprise Oregon, but the road to get there ( WA-129 and OR-3 ) is pretty spectacular, especially the Grande Ronde crossing. too much scree on the road to make a serious attempt at a speed run but along the same lines as the Dragon's Tail, 200 miles.

running US-12 from Lewiston to Missoula's back door is also really scenic.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 08, 2015 8:58 AM  

Yep, Danby is right and now I feel silly for missing it the first time since that's what was in Sofie's post as well. Now let us resume crushing our foes and enjoying the lamentations of their women...

http://everythingsaproblem.tumblr.com/post/118361797156/the-black-widow

http://everythingsaproblem.tumblr.com/post/116047473991/jurassic-world-and-joss-whedon

(Yes, that is a parody site, yes I know it's hard to tell because they're that good.)

Blogger SarahsDaughter May 08, 2015 9:03 AM  

A few years ago I saw a stranger in Oklahoma City reading a copy of "The Irrational Atheist" and I thought that was cool. Yesterday, I saw a stranger who appears to have a mutual facebook friend as I do (through a connection not from here), comment on our friend's post with a link to Wednesday's rhetoric post, and the mutual friend "liked" it.

I do not know all of the VFMotELoE that surround me - but I know they're there and it brings me comfort. :)

~VFM #0084

Blogger Crowhill May 08, 2015 9:06 AM  

What you say about Gammas lying to themselves calls to mind something I was thinking about last night while mowing the lawn.

Everybody has times when their principles or beliefs collide with their actions. ISTM this would be an interesting way to evaluate people, i.e., whether, when that happens, they cling to their beliefs and change their actions, or cling to their actions and change their beliefs.

For example, if a person believes that sex outside of marriage is wrong, but then does it himself, will he think, "But I'm a good person and I did it, so it must not be wrong after all," or will he think, "I did a bad thing"?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2015 9:08 AM  

1. Sociopaths are often very intelligent, and the leading lights of the SJW crowd are in most cases sociopaths/narcissists (as are all politicians.)
2. The inability to have a trustworthy, lasting negotiated peace over matters of ideology is the central contributor to the modern era's penchant for Total War and War of Annihilation. When yor enemy's capitulation cannot be counted upon to last, and he or she can resume both the mindset and the actions undermining your non-negotiable paradigms, the simplest solution is extermination, tree, branch and root.

This is why humanity has re-entered the environment where total war is the norm, and this is just the calm before the storm resumes.

Blogger Nate May 08, 2015 9:09 AM  

as the man said...


The Wll Be War.

Blogger ScuzzaMan May 08, 2015 9:10 AM  

"forgiving and accepting"

Forgiveness is obligatory. Acceptance is not any part of the definition. "separate yourselves" is a divine command, for example. nor is forgetting any part of the definition, altho many christians have been fooled into believing it is.

A big part of the problem Christians have is that we were one of the first targets of the entryists, and their evil subversions have long since been so inculcated in general christian culture that they are almost invisible to most christians.

There's no hope for the body of believers if we continue to allow our enemies to define the terms of our arguments with them, before we even start. Only the divine definitions matter.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 May 08, 2015 9:12 AM  

"The Vile Faceless Minions of the Evil Legion of Evil don't need to decide anything, obviously, their Supreme Dark Lord doesn't not-pay them to think, he not-pays them to rend SJWs limb-from-limb and devour them"

Good I hate having to think before a meal... My only thoughts are PURGE THEM WITH FLAME!!! KILL!!! KILL!!! BURRRRN!!!!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 08, 2015 9:13 AM  

The saddies could at least explain why they trust the SJW and offer proof and claim responsibility for the actions of SJW. That should put an end to sad pup silliness

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2015 9:24 AM  

"Hmmm... tough because Christians are called to have mercy on their enemies . . . "

Blessed is He Who trains our hands for war. He trains us and teaches us how to achieve victory against the foe, and when it is time to lower the bow of bronze. Our bravery, with which we are armed, rests upon the moral integrity of our cause. May He lend wings to our feet and help us persist in the high places we have already reached.

We run the race and compete to WIN. We train and we beat our bodies to WIN. Nice guys don't finish last, they just don't finish. This can be done by being as cunning as serpents and yet as innocent as doves.

Blogger Nate May 08, 2015 9:30 AM  

There is no call to make peace with these people. And any man that makes such a call is a fool.

There can be no peace. The enemy will allow no peace. To the enemy... this is the ultimate battle of Good and Evil... and all actions... no matter how vile... are perfectly justified so long as they are for The Cause.

No.

They must not be merely defeated. They must not merely surrender. They must be destroyed utterly. All power and influence taken. They must be stripped naked and exposed as the liars and fools they are.

They respect nothing but a boot on their throat.

So a boot on their throat is precisely what they will get.

Blogger Marissa May 08, 2015 9:37 AM  

I too have encountered another member (probably tertiary) of the ELoE on Facebook - someone I don't know from Adam on my husband's page talking about 4GW. This thing is spreading.

Unfortunately I can't make it to Sasquan but yes to Kansas City. In that case, I can go heckle the Royals since they're big crybabies about that.

Anonymous FrankNorman May 08, 2015 9:38 AM  

Recall what numerous Gammas have told us is the core of the Gamma male: the relentless ability to lie to himself in order to make himself feel better. This means SJWs cannot learn and they cannot compromise. Any information, any evidence, that is laid before him will be immediately discounted and disqualified if it creates badfeels

Could there by a way to work around this? To hack it? Say to make such a person have "badfeels" about fighting, and offer them a "goodfeel" option of agreeing with you?

Blogger Daniel May 08, 2015 9:40 AM  

Now I would gladly die if it meant a dozen sjw heads mounted on Hugos in my name. Alas, my duty is not to die with glory for my Hugos, but to make sure the sjw dies for his. Welcome to Pompeii, ye sjws. Enjoy the light show until it all goes dark.

Anonymous Athor Pel May 08, 2015 9:41 AM  

" AmyJ May 08, 2015 8:43 AM
One of the hardest things I have learned here is the concept that you aren't required to forgive or embrace the unrepentant and that the Churchian idea of forgiving and accepting everyone without the expectation and requirement of change is unbiblical.

God doesn't forgive the unrepentant; why should we?"



Forgiveness is a gift. We are to always have it on offer. We are not to covet our resentments, not even keep them in a bag to take out and look at every so often but otherwise forget. We are to give them up completely. Think about Stephen as he was being stoned. That is what those that are sinned against are called to do. If we hold someone's sins against them then the Lord will hold our sins against us.

Now for the other half, the sinner. To receive forgiveness one must accept it. Remember, it is a gift. To be able to accept the gift one must repent. Until repentance the sinner cannot be a brother. After repentance he becomes a brother through the Spirit.

There can be no true fellowship without the same Spirit in all.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 08, 2015 9:56 AM  

In the great war of the Pacific, the Imperial Japanese made rapid advances from the Asian mainland to atolls scattered across the ocean. It seemed impossible to stop them, or to even slow them down. The loss of the Phillipines was widely expected to lead to an invasion of Australia. The Imperial Japanese seemed to be invincible, and this surely affected the morale of troops expected to fight them.

IN 1942 as part of the landings on Guadalcanal, a small force of Marines was put ashore to capture a seaplane base on the island of Tulagi. Radio Tokyo derided the entire opertation as the usual American feebleness, in which "American forces were too little, and too late". But at Tulagi the Marines swept the island clean of Imperial troops, despite defensive preparations by the Imperial Japanese. American propagandists turned this around on the Imperial propagandists: "Too little? too late? - Tulagi!". It was a small victory, but nevertheless Tulagi showed that the Marines could invade, take, and hold ground against Imperial Japanese troops - that the Empire of Japane could be beaten, one island at a time.

To many people this fight within SFdom is a mere kerfuffle between clumps of nerds. It's a silly conflict, like a squabble in a 1980's videogame parlor. But that is not so. The SJW Bolsheviks have done great damage to social institutions across the West, most critically within the many branches of the Christian faith. But also in government, business, social networks, etc. as we all know.

Gamergate shows the world that it is possible to stand fast against the SJW's and continue to not just exist, but thrive. That it is possible to resist entryism, to keep some small piece of society out of the clutches of the SJW's. But defense, while important, is not enough. Counterattacking is essential. And when ordinary people, who know only what they read in a newspaper or on their tablet, find that Gamergate was not at all what they were told, and furthermore find out that SJW's can be routed and rooted out of an institution, even one as odd as SF cons, then those ordinary people will realize that they too can deal with SJW's in their institutions the same way. That they do not have to hunker down, or hide, when SJW's start their ranting and raving, they can just punch back.

Too little? too late? - Tulagi!

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 08, 2015 9:57 AM  

Well, SJWs can learn - it's just that they learn how to lie to themselves better so as to shut out inconvenient facts.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 08, 2015 10:03 AM  

Could there by a way to work around this? To hack it? Say to make such a person have "badfeels" about fighting, and offer them a "goodfeel" option of agreeing with you?

You may be thinking of an amygdala hijack, which likely lies behind some of the more hysterical SJW rantings regarding the Puppies.

Blogger wrf3 May 08, 2015 10:05 AM  

Nate wrote: all actions... no matter how vile... are perfectly justified so long as they are for The Cause.

"Shall we do evil so that good may come? No, no, a thousand times no!"

"Do not overcome evil with evil, but overcome evil with good."

Why do you hate St. Paul?

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 08, 2015 10:07 AM  

Mildly off topic, but part of the Larger War:

Vile faceless minions spread Gamer Gate to another frontier: Auto journalist and all around good guy Jack Baruth talking about Gamer Gate in the positive as a way to hold press accountable:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/05/project-cars-just-like-many-real-cars-cant-match-media-hype/

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 08, 2015 10:08 AM  

and there are people whom one cannot instruct.

I've thought on this part for many years. It's so foreign to me that I've always had trouble accepting someone could be like that.

Really though, its irrelevant: either they can't learn or they won't. Same outcome.

Blogger Nate May 08, 2015 10:16 AM  

""Shall we do evil so that good may come? No, no, a thousand times no!"

"Do not overcome evil with evil, but overcome evil with good."
.
Why do you hate St. Paul?"

I always forget that Calvinists simply cannot apply context to anything.

That was the mindset of the SJW. Not our mindset.

Anonymous AlteredFate (#92) May 08, 2015 10:17 AM  

This post reminds me of that saying attributed to Churchill about the enemy being either at your feet or at your throat. Very true of SJW types. The problem lies in the fact moderates are still convinced there is a third option when it comes to SJWs, and they are wrong.

Blogger JP May 08, 2015 10:32 AM  

Mercy is a concept only civilized people can understand. SJW's are not civilized (they are actively anti-civilization). They see compromise as a sign that you lack killer instinct, or that you've run out of steam.

The only language they speak is tolerance. The only language they understand is violence.

Blogger Stephen Ward May 08, 2015 10:39 AM  

"Could there by a way to work around this? To hack it? Say to make such a person have "badfeels" about fighting, and offer them a "goodfeel" option of agreeing with you?"

Inspiring terror when they disagree will have the desired effect.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 08, 2015 10:44 AM  

It is worth remembering that this little tempest in the F&SF teapot is still part of a larger conflict. Gamergate showed that SJW entryism could be stood up to, that a group of people could say "Hell, no!" to SJW's and continue to exist. The average person looks at the fight over Hugo's as something like a bunch of nerds shouting at each other behind the videogame machines at the arcade, but when it can be shown that SJW control of an institution, even in a tiny social niche like SF, that will have ripples further out in the culture.

Ordinary people need an example of successful pushback against the SJW's. The Rabid Puppies are in the process of providing that example.

This year, Hugo's. Later on, what? Maybe the HR departments?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 08, 2015 10:48 AM  

Edit:
When it can be shown that SJW control of an institution, even in a tiny social niche like SF, can be rolled back, that will have ripples further out in the culture.

Anonymous Trimegistus May 08, 2015 10:52 AM  

Both sides in this ongoing culture war are discovering the fundamental problem with culture wars: nobody dies. You can "win" any number of times and your enemies are still right there, just as active, just as opposed.

There must be practical effects. We have to find ways to actually reduce their ability to fight back. As Boko Haram demonstrated last year, "winning" a Twitter battle means nothing to the men with guns. Showing that David Gerrold is an idiot changes nothing; his opponents already knew it and his allies share his idiocy.

Just brainstorming here: Can we try to sucker SJWs into saying things that will get their blogs and Twitter accounts banned by the providers? Can we find ways to cause them genuine financial penalties for their foolish and hateful behavior? Any other suggestions?

Blogger VD May 08, 2015 10:56 AM  

Can we find ways to cause them genuine financial penalties for their foolish and hateful behavior?

Give it time....

Blogger Russell (#0106) May 08, 2015 10:58 AM  

Hmmm... tough because Christians are called to have mercy on their enemies

What are you talking about? You're setting this up as "Well, we should show mercy and do nothing, or we must bathe in their tears without remorse."

I pray for my enemies as I bury my sword in them. They ask for no forgiveness, and yet I forgive them as I take their heads.

In this battle, mercy doesn't mean staying your hand, it means knowing how to deliver a quick, clean killing blow.

What type of VFM are you?

Speaking of which, how do the non-payments arrive? In the mail? Entrails of a sacrificed goat? The Dweller on the Threshold stops by?



Blogger James Dixon May 08, 2015 11:03 AM  

> Both sides in this ongoing culture war are discovering the fundamental problem with culture wars: nobody dies. You can "win" any number of times and your enemies are still right there, just as active, just as opposed.

Give it time. The SJW's won't be satisfied with that state of affairs too much longer. That's when things will get interesting.

Blogger James Dixon May 08, 2015 11:07 AM  

> for those who are interested in side travel while going to Spokane, the Okanagan river up to Kelowna BC is very nice, also includes a lot of vineyards and Canada's only desert, 250 miles.

In that regard, it's my understanding that US folks should keep in mind that coming back from Canada now requires a passport.

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 08, 2015 11:10 AM  

ust brainstorming here: Can we try to sucker SJWs into saying things that will get their blogs and Twitter accounts banned by the providers? Can we find ways to cause them genuine financial penalties for their foolish and hateful behavior? Any other suggestions?

That's exactly what happened with GamerGate. It'll grow.

Blogger Daniel May 08, 2015 11:20 AM  

Trufan submarine slammed two lie-pedoes into our side, chief. It was comin' back, from the island of GamerGate to Sasquan, just delivered the bomb.

The Hugo bomb.

Three hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in twelve minutes. Didn't see the first snark for about a half a week before the nominations were announced. SJW. Half-tonner. You know how you know that when you're in the water, chief? You tell by lookin' at the donuts.

What we didn't know... was our bomb mission had been so secret, no distress signal had been sent. Unh-uh. They didn't even list us nominated for a week. Very first making light, chief. The snarks come cruisin'. So we formed ourselves into tight groups. You know it's... kinda like ol' squares in battle like a, you see on a calendar, like the battle of Waterloo. And the idea was, the snark comes to the nearest man and that man, he'd start poundin' and hollerin' and screamin' and sometimes the snark would go away.

Sometimes he wouldn't go away.

Sometimes that snark, he looks right into you. Right into your eyes. You know the thing about a snark, he's got...lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'. Until he bites ya and those black eyes roll over white.

And then, ah then you hear that terrible high pitch screamin' and the ocean turns red and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin' them sjws end up tasting rather delicious.

April the Four, 2015. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus May 08, 2015 11:21 AM  

We Have All The Time In The World

Blogger rcocean May 08, 2015 11:23 AM  

Cries from people for "we need to be merciful" and "we need to turn the other cheek" are just SJW's playing the Alinky's rules. Namely, 'Make the other side live up to their rules". First, I sincerely doubt God cares about the Hugo awards. Second, the bible commands us to hate to sin not the sinner. Three, the whole concept of "mercy" in a battle with SJW over Gammergate and Sad Puppies is absurd. You can't show Christian mercy when you haven't actually hurt or battled anyone.

Blogger rcocean May 08, 2015 11:26 AM  

This kind of nonsense reminds of people quoting scripture to support illegal immigration and their love of cheap labor. As if Jesus came to earth so that every biped could live in the USA if he so chose, and every employer could make a profit off it.

Blogger Elocutioner0226 May 08, 2015 11:36 AM  

@AlteredFate "The problem lies in the fact moderates are still convinced there is a third option when it comes to SJWs"

After Brad's splitting the baby post someone asked 'once the true mother is identified are you going to just let the murderous nanny back in the nursery?' *Silence.* The Saddies still aren't playing to win. Once defeated the SJW's necessarily need to be removed. Scorpions and frogs, history repeating.

Anonymous Banjo May 08, 2015 11:42 AM  

Wait, I could be getting not-payed?

And here I am just getting not-respected like a sucker...

VFM #0131

Anonymous Supernaut May 08, 2015 11:42 AM  

Too little? too late? - Tulagi!

As a descendant of an infantry machine gunner who fought at Guadalcanal, I thank you for that little vignette of history, Paradigm!

Let's give 'em hell, VFMoTELoE! Too little? Toll late? #GAMERGATE!

- #223

Blogger Victor May 08, 2015 11:43 AM  

I am the person who contacted Vox. If anyone from BC or maybe Seattle/Port Angeles is interested in going let's get in touch. I have a vehicle and passport is ready. Would want to make some friends there and stay with or split a hotel/airbnb or whatever. Give me a shout on here or email me at this temp address ygzqkphq@imgof.com with your email and i'll follow up privately.

If more people express interest in wanting to go from different parts of the world perhaps we can set up an 8chan board or something to get things rolling. I appreciate Vox posting this but his blog doesn't have the easiest comment system! Cheers,

Blogger VFM 188 May 08, 2015 11:49 AM  

@ Paradigm: I like it. The SP/RP attack on the Imperial Japs holding the Hugos hostage is our Tulagi.

Blogger Chris May 08, 2015 12:06 PM  

Mercy is for the application of physical violence. We have no plans of violence so we can relentlessly assault the SJW positions without mercy.

VFM #133

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 08, 2015 12:07 PM  

So now that Vox has the SJWs on the ropes, he's supposed to back away and offer them a draw, and they're supposed to be so relieved and impressed that they turn over a new leaf.

LOL. Nuke 'em, Vox. It's the only way to be sure.

Blogger Chiva May 08, 2015 12:20 PM  

Mercy is granted to those who sue for peace. Grace is given to those who are hurt.

Do the SJWs sue for peace? Not really. They make noises about a 'dialogue'.
Do the SJWs hurt? Not yet.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 May 08, 2015 12:32 PM  

Scalzi was the wretch who wrote the "white guy is the easiest difficulty setting" post?! Unbelievable! I remember reading that on Kotaku and thinking, "Man, Kotaku really hates white guys and video games, pretty odd for a video game website." Pardon my French, but has this Scalzi character always been a pussy or what? I think you go too easy on him. He seems like the type of gent who pays hookers to take dumps on his chest while he cries and sucks his thumb.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 08, 2015 12:44 PM  


In this battle, mercy doesn't mean staying your hand, it means knowing how to deliver a quick, clean killing blow.

What type of VFM are you?


Dude, keep reading, clarification was given and I accepted the logic of it.

And I am first a vile faceless minion of the Divine. Anything for Vox et al after that is just during my off hours. ;-P

Blogger Mike Farnsworth May 08, 2015 12:49 PM  

@AmyJ

"One of the hardest things I have learned here is the concept that you aren't required to forgive or embrace the unrepentant and that the Churchian idea of forgiving and accepting everyone without the expectation and requirement of change is unbiblical.

God doesn't forgive the unrepentant; why should we?"

It appears you've conflated two different things here. We expect ourselves to change and improve, and we should hope others do too, and encourage that in whatever way we can. But we are required to forgive all men (indefinitely even, 490 is a proxy for "quit counting"), see Luke 6:13, Matthew 6:14-15, etc. However, we are not required to be suckers for punishment nor to stop defending ourselves and others up to and including by using lethal force if necessary.

Also, please note: God ultimately doesn't forgive the unrepentant if they continue in their obstinance into the next life, but He also has all knowledge and knows what is in their hearts and what mitigating circumstances they have faced. His judgments are thus eternal in nature, and ours clearly are not, us being mere mortals. We are simply not in a position to pick and choose who we forgive, hence the clear requirement for us to forgive if we want to be forgiven.

These ideals are not in conflict:

* Forgive all men their trespasses, even if they are unrepentant (this is for our sake, not theirs)
* Turn the other cheek (don't be vengeful or vindictive)
* Self defense, defense of others, even via lethal force; this also forms the justification for war, when a nation broadly faces the same situation
* Defense of truth, and speaking out on what is right, including calling out sin and evil
* Love the sinner / your neighbor
* Despising sin, and never condoning sinful behavior

There are so many people I know who seem to think that you can't hate the sin and still love the sinner and hope for their repentance and eternal salvation; that you can't turn the other cheek and yet defend yourself and others; that you can't hold to absolute truth and love others who are different than you, even if you know they are wrong. They are either ignorant or try to convince themselves these are incompatible as a way to justify sin.

My life experience teaches me they are completely wrong. It just takes some practice and a conscious effort to do well at all of these things. That said, if someone is wrong or is clearly morally bankrupt, there is no sin in pointing out that what they are doing is wrong. There are appropriate tactful, well-timed ways of doing so, but loving the sinner doesn't mean keeping your mouth shut about the sins (in fact, the opposite is often doing them a big favor).

It is entirely possible and even beneficial to pray for an enemy in battle while preparing to take his life if he forces your hand. It's entirely beneficial to strategize and position yourself to utterly defeat an enemy, and then execute that plan if their actions justify self defense, all the while hoping that they have a change of heart and decide to pick a better path.

E.g. a good christian would not be out of line to have night-vision googles and quick access to a loaded AR-15 or shotgun in their home so as to give them extreme advantage against someone who breaks and enters. Said individual should pray the criminals reform or pick something else, as well as take steps to prevent the situation. But should the day come, when it's go time, they should have no qualms about doing what needs to be done with as many advantages they can get over the enemy as possible. Nor should they have any reservations about preparing for potential situation.

Anonymous Ridip May 08, 2015 12:51 PM  

Nate, Calvinists cannot apply context, because they're operating from a pretext.

Blogger Russell (#0106) May 08, 2015 12:57 PM  

Anyone have thoughts on how to distinguish between new friends and ever foes?

And I am first a vile faceless minion of the Divine. Anything for Vox et al after that is just during my off hours. ;-P


I think you answered your own question. Anyone marching under the banner of Truth, whether they are in lockstep with the VFM or not, whether they understand that under Truth is the Divine or not, that's an ally.

Don't shoot at them.

The foes are always shooting at you. Even with honeyed tongues talking of discourse, they are shooting at you. "Can't we get along!" is an attempt to hide the sound of their guns.

It comes back to know thyself, know thy enemy.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 08, 2015 1:06 PM  

The funny thing about Entryism is that it is not a deliberate strategy. It is usually more of a default. They aren’t planning this. This isn’t a strategy by design it is a strategy by default. Honestly these people aren’t that bright for the most part. In the past year we have learned that male SJWs are self delusional Gammas.* They will construct elaborate fantasies to maintain their paradigm as a Secret King

Example: In 1999 the new editor of Computer Game Wow magazine is faced with a choice, teach a gamer how to write a review or teach a writer how to play games. The choice is obvious if you are not a gamer.

The job interview went like this apparently.

Editor: So you like to play games?

Unemployed Writer: I won a Hugo nomination for best fan writer

Editor: But you like games?

Unemployed Writer: I couldn’t love them more.

The gamma in question doesn't’ know anything about game mechanics, game theory or game design. But he does know story plotting and character development. That is what he writes about. That is what he bases his reviews on. If you have a game with great mechanics but poor voice acting, no cut scenes and only a splash panel as your final reward for victory or defeat, you will get a bad review.

If you have a game that is buggy as all hell, has mediocre mechanics but good cut scenes and a great story line you will get an outstanding review.

Witness Sins of a Solar Empire and Bioshock respectively.

The money and developers now start playing to the reviewer's tastes.

The Gamma reviewer in his delusionment, now believes that he is the Voice of All Gaming and it’s time to him to dictate where gaming is going to go from here. He is now the secret God of Gaming.

Point out to him that he still doesn't know a damn thing about mechanics or theory and he will immediately disqualify your viewpoint. He has to. You are damaging his entire universe. Keep it up and he will attack you personally as a Misogynist Nazi Zombie. The point is not to prove you wrong. The point is to drive you away. You can’t threaten his delusions if you aren’t there.

He now doubles down on where he thinks gaming needs to go from here. Because that doubling down makes you twice as wrong. He has to avoid all dissenting opinion at this point. Good news for him, it’s 2015 and he is now the editor of ComputerGameWow.com Disenting voices are never hired no matter what the qualifications are. He can’t handle it. He just can’t

Entryism is now complete. And it was never planned.

The exception to this rule is John Scalzi, who appears to be that rarest of creatures, the self aware Gamma. I do believe he actually does knows himself. A con-man’s first mark is always himself.



(* The females are fat and sad and I don’t like to think about them. Note to Vox are you ever going to write a female companion piece on the Socio-Sexual Hierarchy? Hot and Not seems kind of slim.*)

Blogger Corvinus May 08, 2015 1:07 PM  

"Kindness is for fools! They want them to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses but they ought to be beaten with fists! In a duel you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can! War is not made with charity, it is a struggle, a duel." --Pope St. Pius X on Modernists (the Catholic Church's version of SJWs)

And this was a canonized saint saying this, mind you.

Anybody who tries to maintain that Christians have to be merrrrciful squishes doesn't know what he's talking about.

Anonymous AlteredFate (#92) May 08, 2015 1:11 PM  

@Nate Winchester

In light of one of your comments yesterday containing the link to that video on YouTube , check out this headline on Fox News today...

critics-balk-at-canadian-plan-to-bury-radioactive-waste-near-Lake-Huron

Not only does an attack seem possible, it seems it will have the support of the U.S. and Canadian governments...and not just through negligence. They are actively inviting a catastrophe.

Anonymous Minion #0172 May 08, 2015 1:15 PM  

I will be at Sasquan, staying at the Davenport Hotel. Fellow minions may join me for drinks and conversation Thursday at 6 pm in the bar.

I will be wearing my Comet Guy "Guns and Gals" Hawaiian shirt.

Please note that this is a Non-Sasquan event and that attractive women will be admired and appreciated.

Blogger John Wright May 08, 2015 1:22 PM  

@ Paradigm

May I quote you? That is a great war story

Blogger Cail Corishev May 08, 2015 1:24 PM  

Anybody who tries to maintain that Christians have to be merrrrciful squishes doesn't know what he's talking about.

He certainly doesn't know any history. As in your example of St. Pius X, we have centuries of masculine Christianity as precedent, yet we get people thinking that Christianity means being nice to everyone all the time. How do they think Christians ran empires, fought off invasions, put down heresies, and survived all these years?

Blogger Mick May 08, 2015 1:25 PM  

I suggest we extract a Mea Colpa.

O my Malevolence I am hearty sorry for offending thy. I detest all deceit and transgressions and debase my self before your Supreme Evil.

Then have them dwell in the land of Nod.

Mick # 291

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 08, 2015 1:40 PM  

Cataline Sergius-The funny thing about Entryism is that it is not a deliberate strategy

I can assure you it is a deliberate strategy. Many gays are paid cheerleaders for Soros. I had gone to gay events/conventions & have meet some of the bigger players. I saw Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter remove cake icing from a lesbian psychologist's but cheek. Don't cite the lemmings lack of knowledge for that which is planned around lines of cocaine.

(Yes, that is a parody site, yes I know it's hard to tell because they're that good.)

Its really hard to tell. I thought the comic http://www.gynostar.com/ was a hilarious parody until the author reacted to my comment.

"Scalzi was the wretch who wrote the "white guy is the easiest difficulty setting" post?! "

Well it is as long as you have meds whitey created. It would be a tough setting in Africa if you didn't know malaria doesn't like alkaloids.
While I wouldn't trade 30 points of average IQ to get sickle cell disease, mother nature did for sub sahara Africa.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 May 08, 2015 1:49 PM  

saw Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter remove cake icing from a lesbian psychologist's but cheek.
horrendous visual

Anonymous BGS May 08, 2015 1:55 PM  

saw Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter remove cake icing from a lesbian psychologist's but cheek. horrendous visual

It was in the 90s so it didn't look as bad as you think now. The one with what passed for a real job was the lipstick.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 08, 2015 1:57 PM  


In light of one of your comments yesterday containing the link to that video on YouTube , check out this headline on Fox News today...

critics-balk-at-canadian-plan-to-bury-radioactive-waste-near-Lake-Huron

Not only does an attack seem possible, it seems it will have the support of the U.S. and Canadian governments...and not just through negligence. They are actively inviting a catastrophe.


I was wondering if anyone saw that. Thanks for... taking away some more sleep. XP lol

Though I've worked in and with government enough to know... no they are not that evil, they are just THAT negligent. At some point you start to wonder if it would be better if the government was just outright evil, then their incompetence might end up looping around to them actually doing good.

Hmm... wasn't that the plot of Blazing Saddles?

Anonymous John Starter May 08, 2015 2:02 PM  

Can someone actually define "social justice warrior"?

Anonymous Amok Time May 08, 2015 2:05 PM  

I have never understood Scalzi's position to irritate and demean likely 70-80 percent of his potential customers for his product. Is it so much better to gain the adoration of just a few and lose the respect of the many?

Just imagine the size of the lawn he could have if he embraced the truth?

Blogger Poor Guy May 08, 2015 2:08 PM  

Can someone actually define "social justice warrior"?

Basically it is the enforcers for left-wing political correctness

Blogger Harsh May 08, 2015 2:11 PM  

Just imagine the size of the lawn he could have if he embraced the truth?

Such a lawn would be known throughout time as the Mother of All Lawns.

Blogger Daniel May 08, 2015 2:16 PM  

Scalzi's Tweet of the Day:

John Scalzi: I LIKE MY COFFEE LIKE I LIKE MY MEN -- wait, I don't like men.

(throws out coffee)

Blogger kh123 May 08, 2015 2:17 PM  

"Entryism is now complete. And it was never planned."

Otherwise known as the fine art of failing upwards.

Blogger Nate May 08, 2015 2:19 PM  

"Nate, Calvinists cannot apply context, because they're operating from a pretext. "

LULZ

Blogger kh123 May 08, 2015 2:21 PM  

"I have never understood Scalzi's position to irritate and demean likely 70-80 percent of his potential customers for his product. Is it so much better to gain the adoration of just a few and lose the respect of the many? "

You may be underestimating the retard factor in those who truly think he deserved his Hugos. Almost always the easiest difficulty settings that kiss his ass, oddly enough.

Blogger Marissa May 08, 2015 2:21 PM  

I will be wearing my Comet Guy "Guns and Gals" Hawaiian shirt.


Where did you buy that? Or...ARE YOU MATT TAYLOR?!

Blogger Daniel May 08, 2015 2:22 PM  

Can someone actually define "social justice warrior"?

One who fights for justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society. In other words, the Robin Hood of Equality. Wherever he sees anyone of any race, anywhere, acting white, wealthy, and masculine, he attempts to make him a poor black woman.

They aren't that great at the details, but they make up for it in enthusiasm.

Anonymous Athor Pel May 08, 2015 2:25 PM  

" Harsh May 08, 2015 2:11 PM
Just imagine the size of the lawn he could have if he embraced the truth?

Such a lawn would be known throughout time as the Mother of All Lawns"



Gargantua, Devourer of Lawn Tractors, Destroyer of Summer Leisure

Blogger Russell (106) May 08, 2015 2:32 PM  

Daniel: Wherever he sees anyone of any race, anywhere, acting white, wealthy, and masculine, he attempts to make him a poor black woman.

You left off 'lesbian' or 'transgendered'

Why do you hate those that are differently beautiful that yourself?

Anonymous Minion #0172 May 08, 2015 2:33 PM  

Marissa, here's a link.

http://www.alohaland.com/misc-novelties/new-gunner-girls

I'm also wearing it at the Hugo Awards!

Anonymous Viidad (Vile Faceless Minion #156) May 08, 2015 2:38 PM  

Ridip "Calvinists cannot apply context, because they're operating from a pretext"

Calvinism is just an inconvenient truth, like Glocks being a great handgun and OSX being a better operating system than any Windows ever.

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 08, 2015 2:44 PM  

Marissa, here's a link.

http://www.alohaland.com/misc-novelties/new-gunner-girls

I'm also wearing it at the Hugo Awards!


Great idea!

Blogger Marissa May 08, 2015 3:02 PM  

Thanks, Minion #0172!

Blogger collisioncat67 May 08, 2015 3:03 PM  

SJWs cannot even be trusted when they propose a compromise. They feign a peaceful end to the fighting via negotiation. That of course is just a ploy; another battle tactic. They have demonstrated time and time again that they cannot abide by any peaceful resolution. You think the war is finally over, turn your back on them and they will attempt to take a knife to your throat.

If some prominent SJWs offers the olive branch, snatch it out of their hand and flog the crap out of them with it before resuming the stomping.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 May 08, 2015 3:31 PM  

John Starter May 08, 2015 2:02 PM
"Can someone actually define "social justice warrior"?"

One who sees the same thing you see and yet denies the truth of what they see. in other words, someone who calls evil good and good evil.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 08, 2015 3:31 PM  

Crowhill: "ISTM this would be an interesting way to evaluate people, i.e., whether, when that happens, they cling to their beliefs and change their actions, or cling to their actions and change their beliefs."

With the possible exception of some addictions, here, where a person genuinely thinks (mentally) that their action is wrong but is disinclined (emotionally or physically) to overcome it.

Blogger VFM 188 May 08, 2015 3:32 PM  

@ collisioncat67: Someone will ask "How do you know that?"

You explain: "SJW's always lie."

Blogger The Original Hermit May 08, 2015 3:35 PM  

"John Starter May 08, 2015 2:02 PM
"Can someone actually define "social justice warrior"?"

One who sees the same thing you see and yet denies the truth of what they see. in other words, someone who calls evil good and good evil."

I would also add that the warrior part suggests that they are incredibly vocal about it, generally to the point where it intrudes on others.

Blogger The Original Hermit May 08, 2015 3:47 PM  

One that fits the first qualifications, but is content to confine their sick worldview to their personal life, their blog, even their own tumblr page is relatively harmless and is merely just a dirty liberal. Once they mobilize and become activists, that's when they turn into an SJW.

Blogger maniacprovost May 08, 2015 4:19 PM  

If I attend, I'll try to wear something tasteful and discrete. Like a black shirt with TANSTAAFL in white lettering, or perhaps a puppy cosplay.

On second thought, maybe a Team Jacob shirt?

Anonymous Amok Time May 08, 2015 4:37 PM  

"Wherever he sees anyone of any race, anywhere, acting white, wealthy, and masculine, he attempts to make him a poor black woman."

OH MY GOSH!! Bruce Jenner is gonna get the deepest, darkest tan possible and give his riches away!!! Oprah will be writhing in her spanx!!

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 08, 2015 5:13 PM  

@John Wright
@ Paradigm

May I quote you? That is a great war story


Told to me by a US Navy officer who served '42-'45, by the way.

Every comment I post here is quotable, so far as I'm concerned.

Blogger A Martian Warlord May 08, 2015 5:32 PM  

For any Non-minions who need a more individual logo, or maybe faceless minions who aspire to not even have the number anymore, I did spend some time designing an alternative Evil Empire of Evil Logo.
Please feel free to use it: www.gfilotto.com

Blogger A Martian Warlord May 08, 2015 5:37 PM  

Also... RE: Christians needing to have mercy on their enemies.

Study your history people. La Vallette, the Grand Master of the Order of St. John (order of Malta today) when resisting the Great siege of 1565, and some of his knights were beheaded after the capture of St. Elmo on the island, ordered the muslim prisoners to be executed, had their heads struck off and then fired the heads at the enemy camp with his cannons.

This was without question a devout catholic by the way, as his whole life pretty much showed.

But if you guys are squeamish about trampling a few SJW feelings, feel free to let me know where to wade in. I am not even baptised...I will happily keep slicing away at SJW feelings of badness and hurt think until they are a blubbering mess.

Blogger Corvinus May 08, 2015 5:39 PM  

@A Martian Warlord

IIRC, the term for "Dark Jedi" is "Sith".

But also, keep in mind that Star Wars, like Game of Thrones, has a rather negative reputation around here, especially lately.

Blogger A Martian Warlord May 08, 2015 5:40 PM  

Corvinus: that is only after the SJWization of the canon of Star Wars I think. But whatever. We don't care for titles being correct. We make our own.

Blogger A Martian Warlord May 08, 2015 5:44 PM  

As for negative reputation...again...reclaim whatever territory you want. Or not. I see some clear parallels (aside from the overtones of EEEEEVVVILLL in the one person of the Emperor) between, an orderly Galaxy and a rag tab, "rebellious" SJW infested one. Can you seriously see any of the Rebels being able to organise anything other than a destructive pseudo-regime that would devolve into chaos?

No, no, you need good, faceless minions ready to aim and fire in unison at the enemy. And Death Stars. Pour Encourager les autres.

Blogger Blume May 08, 2015 5:50 PM  

Mowing is summer liesure

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 08, 2015 6:37 PM  

"La Vallette, the Grand Master of the Order of St. John (order of Malta today) when resisting the Great siege of 1565, and some of his knights were beheaded after the capture of St. Elmo on the island, ordered the muslim prisoners to be executed, had their heads struck off and then fired the heads at the enemy camp with his cannons."

Ann Coulter offered to be executioner for any moslems given the death penalty for gang raping little white girls in the UK. I would also be willing to execute moslems for them, for a moderate fee + expenses, if they cant find any real men within the shores of Once Great Britain .

Blogger GK Chesterton May 08, 2015 6:47 PM  

@bob mando,

I have never been to Eastern Oregon but am working hard to make it there. I'm considering doing it as a road trip with my (youngish) son. I may rope my daughter in as well. However, the wife has been ill so we aren't sure. If my wife is able to make it Ceor d'Alene would be a nice spot to drop them off in from what I've read about it.

Any suggestions by Ilk familiar with the local for things to do with kids would be nice.

Blogger GK Chesterton May 08, 2015 6:50 PM  

Btw,

file770 gave me another reason to fight for the Hugos. Evidently a video called "Fuck Me Ray Bradbury" won a Hugo. The more I know the more willing I become.

Blogger Feather Blade May 08, 2015 7:11 PM  

Any suggestions by Ilk familiar with the local for things to do with kids would be nice.

The Coeur d'Alene Resort has a spa, and golf course with a floating, moveable green, and a marina. There are lake cruises and watersports such as parasailing available too.

The lake might even be warm in August.

A few miles north, there is Silverwood Theme Park.

Spokane has some nice bookstores downtown, and Riverfront Park has such attractions as a gondola over the falls, a carousel, and a large pavilion from the time they hosted a World's Fair. There are ducks in the water that can be fed as well.

Blogger CM May 08, 2015 7:20 PM  

Evidently a video called "Fuck Me Ray Bradbury" won a Hugo. The more I know the more willing I become.

With stuff like that, I cannot see for the life of me how someone could possibly argue the Hugos were awarding outstanding literature/fiction and maintain a straight face.

I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but we don't go looking at scaley, leprous beasts and declaring Helen of Troy. Even a blind man would know better.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza May 08, 2015 9:23 PM  

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Blogger LP 999/Eliza May 08, 2015 9:27 PM  

Mr. S loss of stability and objectivity in need of press chose to let gammatude take him over. Many critics of Vox are gamma, omega and those who do not live in reality. However this reply is not about Mr. S.

Bleeding and the fiery sun that brings us life are luxuries. 'Luxury is easily dispensed with', life minus God allows no values, no standards of behavior, no hope, little joy. Or endless success, attention and a life of luxuries. When society is in decline as it is evident in this post.

The SJWmcjizzlers dont understand or have the capacity for what they are building, a totliatiran henhouse via demagoguism.

OT Fun: skate parks, public parks with swing sets, outside chalk/painting. cold water hoses for the cool down and hopefully naptime. Kiddie yoga, zumba, non-street dance styled are usually safe in backyards and again promote some naptime.

Nein on trampolines..

Further OT: the creditmoneyfraudcard is paid off as of last month,. I missed my mark of March 1st or March 15th. My high of 12/2014 was $5400 at a zero balance. Finally I can sleep, cope and feel better.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza May 08, 2015 9:29 PM  

OT EDIT; presently at zero balance and set to INACTIVE mode.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza May 08, 2015 9:31 PM  

What matters most is that Rabid, Sad Pups, Gamergate, Hugos are all front topics as well as other authors work/blogs.

Anonymous Giuseppe May 08, 2015 9:54 PM  

I live here BGS. And while they don't have the death penalty here, if it was reinstated, I'd be happy to oblige the child rapists myself.

Blogger Michael Maier May 08, 2015 10:05 PM  

Corvinus: that is only after the SJWization of the canon of Star Wars I think. But whatever. We don't care for titles being correct. We make our own.

Not correct. "Sith" is on page 81 of my 1983 novelization of RETURN OF THE JEDI.

Anonymous The other robot May 08, 2015 10:14 PM  

The current membership of Sasquan is 8,510!

There are 1,110 in CA and 1406 in WA.

Mississippi is way down the bottom at 4.

I hope that the CA and WA contingents are not mostly SJWs!

Anonymous The other robot May 08, 2015 10:32 PM  

Someone wrote a make-believe Puppies review of Madeleine:

...
Listen, I’ve studied statistics. The odds that one character will be a female are 50%, no matter what any SJW wants to tell you. Science doesn’t come any harder than numbers. That’s why SJWs hate dealing with them. Numbers are not susceptible to feelings. You cannot “transgenderqueer” a number away just because you don’t like it.

50% is not very high, but high enough that if there’s occasionally a female character somewhere we can allow that it’s still a bit realistic. Take Black Widow in the Avengers movies. There are six main characters, so if you want to say that okay, well, there’s a 50% chance that one of them will be a female, so we can go ahead and make one of them a female to placate the SJWs, that’s fine. ...


The problem is that the author of the piece simply cannot do math and implies that Puppies can't either.

The probability that (only) one of six random individuals is female is a lot lower than 50%. It is the same as the probability that five of the six are male which is 3.125%

Anonymous BGS May 08, 2015 10:47 PM  

Giuseppe So how much worse is London today than the late 90s when I was last there? I keep track of international news, and know a few who have traveled there since but its not the whole or a good picture. There doesn't seem to be very many places worth going to on vacation. How are Ireland, Belfast, & Cardiff now? I have noticed a lot of bad 3rd world nurses are part of the NHS system now how did they get let in?

OpenID douzeper20 May 08, 2015 10:52 PM  

@A Martian Warlord If I recall correctly, Jean Parisot de Valette's (General badass overall I mean, 70 years old, charges through his own breaking lines into a breach wielding a pike with grenade shrapnel in him...) firing of heads into his enemy's camp was inspired by the method of delivery, The asshat ottomans floated the headless knights across on mock crucifixes. In addition, the voluntary self-emasculation auto-inflicted by the church isn't anywhere near as complete as some might think. Yes, the fluffy feel-good crowd interpret turning the other cheek as submitting to bullshyte, but a good number interpret it as not allowing a back handed slap to shame them as colloquialism of the time indicated. A further aside, not all of the Dread Ilk are kristjan, some of us have a MUCH less (which is to say not) forgiving outlook. Requiring forgiveness is oft perceived robbing the wronged of their right to wrath, rage, and ultimately vengeance; not all of us ascribe to such requirements.

Blogger bob k. mando May 08, 2015 11:03 PM  

James Dixon May 08, 2015 11:07 AM
In that regard, it's my understanding that US folks should keep in mind that coming back from Canada now requires a passport.




you haven't been able to use a driver's license to jump the border in EITHER direction for something like +5 years now.

passports are now required for all border crossings AND if you're out somewhere near the national border hunting or something you really ought to be carrying your passport with you.


GK Chesterton May 08, 2015 6:47 PM
I have never been to Eastern Oregon



eastern OREGON? not sure what the point would be. pretty dry ( it's pretty much the northwestern part of the Utah / Boise desert ), not much population. i guess if you were fishing, the rivers are supposed to be good, they're part of the Snake river system.


Gold and Silver bugs should be aware, Washington and Idaho do NOT charge sales tax for precious metals purchases. there's also still silver / gold mining going on in the Rockies, so % over spot is also probably going to be much better than you can get out east. so between the base price being lower and no tax on the purchase you can save +10% over buying in a People's Republic out east.

Montana doesn't have any state sales tax on silver/gold but you can get hung up by a local municipality. i've bought some in Missoula and there was no tax there.


doesn't seem to be any good circle tracks worth talking about anywhere near Spokane.

Blogger bob k. mando May 08, 2015 11:06 PM  

LP 999/Eliza May 08, 2015 9:27 PM
Further OT: the creditmoneyfraudcard is paid off as of last month,. I missed my mark of March 1st or March 15th. My high of 12/2014 was $5400 at a zero balance. Finally I can sleep, cope and feel better.


congratulations, well done.

Blogger Cee May 08, 2015 11:10 PM  

The problem is that the author of the piece simply cannot do math and implies that Puppies can't either.
Oh, I think the author of the piece knows rudimentary math, and they're trying to set it up as Puppies can't do math.

The argument fails because the Puppy objection isn't "it's mathematically implausible to have one of the Avengers be a woman" in the first place. Straw Puppy argument, etc.

Blogger Patrikbc #0344 May 08, 2015 11:18 PM  

Is it wrong to have a "Man crush" on Nate?

Blogger bob k. mando May 08, 2015 11:19 PM  

puppies are "objecting" to the Avengers? or even to a story about twelve girls?

BULLSHIT.

this is a smokescreen to provide cover for the fact that SJWs drove feminist Joss Whedon off of twitter over his portrayal of the Black Widow.

that's the only reason to drag the Avengers movie into that retard 'fake puppy review' mess.

Blogger bob k. mando May 08, 2015 11:21 PM  

Patrikbc #0344 May 08, 2015 11:18 PM
Is it wrong to have a "Man crush" on Nate?



it's perfectly okay to "Man crush" on Nate.

just don't do it while he's wearing his dress. cuz that gets kind of weird.

Anonymous The other robot May 08, 2015 11:26 PM  

The book Madeleine is, of course, a children's book, and it is more appropriate to read to girls than boys. I read it to my girls but not my boys.

I cannot imagine any of the Puppies would review the book in that way because it is clearly not addressed at them.

Can you spell disingenuous? I knew you could.

Blogger Russell (106) May 08, 2015 11:52 PM  

Can you spell disingenuous?

S-J-W

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 09, 2015 7:04 AM  

" Patrikbc #0344 May 08, 2015 11:18 PM

Is it wrong to have a "Man crush" on Nate?"

Bane: 9/22/04 11:53 PM
Gay squared. Super double secret gay, with a side of gay, smothered in gay sauce, with a sprig of gay. And you ride a rice burner? Gay.

Blogger VD May 09, 2015 7:23 AM  

Is it wrong to have a "Man crush" on Nate?

It is wrong to have a "Man crush" period. Unless you're VQPF. Then it's valid.

Blogger Ann Kellett May 09, 2015 9:43 AM  

Frank Norman at 9:38--yes, there are ways to deal with gammas. Michael Trust, at anonymous conservative dot com, has an excellent book called How to Deal with Narcissists that gives practical tips.

Blogger VFM 188 May 09, 2015 11:16 AM  

Narcissism is an indicator of an underlying problem, not the explanation itself. All SJW's by definition have a desire to accumulate and exercise power over other human beings. Political correctness merely provides a scaffolding to justify it in today's world. In Germany in 1935 these people would have been enthusiastic Nazis. In the USSR or Red China in the 1950's they would have been energetic communists. In the 1400's they would have been diligent hunters of heretics for the Catholic church.

It may be that the SJW mindset has been positively selected as a survival trait in the evolutionary process, an unfortunate but inherent characteristic in the majority of human beings. The relatively small minority not subject to this trait are variously known as "libertarians," "conservatives," and "vile faceless minions".

Anonymous JamesB May 09, 2015 11:22 AM  

"Gold and Silver bugs should be aware, Washington and Idaho do NOT charge sales tax for precious metals purchases. "

Neither does Michigan.

Blogger Patrikbc #0344 May 09, 2015 11:36 AM  

That's an '05 HD Lowrider.

Blogger Patrikbc #0344 May 09, 2015 11:40 AM  

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OpenID gregq May 09, 2015 1:33 PM  

What to push for at the business meeting:

There's going to be all sorts of voting plans suggested. Back this one: Double nomination round. First round of nominations, you can nominate anything. Second round, you pick from from the top 15 - 20 (with a min vote cutoff for the top 20).

The SJWs and "insiders" hate this idea, because the don't object to people gaming the system, they just object to other people gaming the system. Double nomination means you can't get on the final ballot with just 40 - 50 people out of 1000 supporting you.

Properly argued, I think DN can split the SJWs and "Hugo gamers" from everyone else, because the only real reason to oppose DN is because you want to preserve your ability to game the nominations.

If you don't want any changes in the voting, DN is your best bet, because the SJWs hate it, and a bunch have sworn to vote against it.

If you want to take away PNH's ability to get himself a Hugo nomination with the help of 40 friends, DN is your best bet, because it's the only proposed voting change I've seen that raises the bar for getting on to the final ballot.

Blogger GK Chesterton May 10, 2015 12:36 AM  

bob,

Thanks for the correction. I have neither been to eastern Oregon nor Washington.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 10, 2015 2:09 AM  

Oh, I'm here for the long haul. Reading here renewed my courage to fight the evils of SJWs (yes, they are evil, and I credit God for helping me with an interesting 4GW strategy to put one in their place; I'm still astonished it worked) and also helped me tackle some personal problems. So thank you, dread ilk, I'll stick around.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 10, 2015 3:15 AM  

It is worth remembering that this little tempest in the F&SF teapot is still part of a larger conflict.

That became clear when journal articles defending SJWism started to appear.

Think about it: a bunch of channers and a Youtube commentator had them so scared about exposing the agenda they reacted. Probably one of the biggest 'holy shit' moments for me, since responding to critics outside the groves of acedeme is almost unheard of.

Blogger Cuca Culpa May 10, 2015 3:43 AM  

Matt Taylor's shirt can be bought here:

http://www.ellyprizeman.com

Those other links are similar, but not the real deal.

Blogger Desiderius May 12, 2015 2:00 AM  

"LM: There is a lot of garden-variety favoritism. But the more pernicious form of favoritism is a stylistic bias. Philip Pearlstein, a figurative painter, tells a terrific story. He was on a panel, and he sat there watching slides with his fellow panelists. At lunch, he was thinking over what he'd seen, and he realized that he hadn't seen one representational work. In fact, he hadn't even seen one work that was a four-sided canvas with paint on it. He remarked on this to some NEA staffers, and they explained that the NEA had asked a few of the panelists to come in the previous day and cull out all of the applicants they felt were not competitive. So he spent some hours going through the works that had been culled out. And he found among the rejects far and away the best artists in the whole lot. Many were painters, and not all of them were representational.

RS: Meaning that, despite all the progressive talk, the kind of art the endowment supports has become more and more restricted?

LM: The NEA when it first started was funding work in every stylistic category one can imagine. And then, even as the budget was getting larger and the number of grants was mushrooming, the kind of art that was being funded became of a narrower and narrower variety. When I looked at what was funded in 1995, almost every single artist was making art that was primarily geared toward social critique. If you're a painter and you go about your task, and your work is about paint, or space, or process, or whatever, but it isn't also driven by a desire to critique society in some manner, don't bother applying to the NEA.

RS: To what extent is the NEA guiding and dictating this? And to what extent is it simply responding to what artists are doing?

LM: There are excellent artists out there who don't do this kind of work and who have not received any of these grants. Perceptual painting, for example, has persisted through the postmodern period, and none of those artists have received any NEA grants. And many of them have applied for many years."

https://sites.google.com/site/raysawhill/home/interviews/lynne-munson

Blogger VFM 188 May 12, 2015 5:10 AM  

Conclusion: The mindset of the gatekeepers in the National Endowment for the Arts is the same as that of the ideological coterie that has controlled the Hugo Awards for years. That is, quality of writing has come to be secondary to the SJW demand that SFF writing must conform with the SJW "desire to critique society in some manner."

Further conclusion: The Sad Puppy and Rabid Puppy efforts are a remedial attack on an entrenched, insular elite that has been dismissive of---if not outright hostile to---good science fiction and fantasy writing that fails to conform to the SJW "social critique" agenda.

In other words, Larry Correia was right, from the beginning. Writers must conform to the SJW agenda, or they will not be looked upon favorably by the SJW gatekeepers.

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