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Wednesday, May 13, 2015

The bitter harvest of feminism

Cadders explains it in the comments at Alpha Game:
Feminism is already a dead woman walking. All feminism has is shaming language and the State (ironically, ultimately other men) to keep men to the feminist line.

But now, increasingly, the shaming doesn't work. And men are disengaging from society in general to avoid entanglements with the state; if you don't get married, you can't be divorced, if you don't co-habit you can't have half your stuff appropriated, if you don't have children, you can't be on the hook for child support, if you don't enter the corporate world you can't be be accused of 'harassment' and if you don't date you drastically reduce your chance of a false rape accusation.

These are genuine threat points for men in the modern world that didn't exist before feminism. It speaks to the feeble minds of feminists that they would think that men will simply carry on as they did when these threats did not exist. For the last 50 years men (mostly) still did. But that's over now.

So men are doing what they have always done: survey their environment, understand it, and behave rationally according to it. Which means, increasingly, living their lives without regard to what women want. This does not mean living without sex, relationships or female company. Just that the investment men make in all these areas is being dramatically reduced.

As feminism reduces the value of women (in men's eyes), so men are reducing the amount of time, effort, attention and money they are willing to spend for the declining benefits modern women now bring to their lives.

But the real news is that the true cost of feminism, first born by men, and then children, is now being passed on to women. Record numbers of women are living alone, record numbers of women are childless, record numbers are on psychiatric medication, record numbers are facing a life-time of wage slavery in grinding jobs that they can never leave. And still feminism spins these outcomes as the conscious choices of these women and as 'empowering'.

And yet, women's self-reported happiness, across all classes, all races, all demographics is lower than ever since records began 50 years ago. Tellingly, for the first time ever, their happiness is also now lower than men's.

But you do not need to read 'The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness' to know this. Just talk to the increasing number of 30 and 40 year old childless spinsters one on one - not in a group - to get the REAL story. The REAL effect of feminism in the REAL world. These women don't give two hoots about feminism, they are just wondering where all the good husbands, hell, ANY decent man, went.

Mostly, disgusted with what feminism has done to women, he walked away.

For the truth is that men don't want to fight women, it goes against the core of what it means to be a man. But feminism thrust men into a fight that they neither started nor wanted. To the point that feminists are reduced to crowing about 'winning' battles that men never turned up for.

And even now, as feminism pushes and pushes and pushes to ever more absurd levels, as ever more restrictions are placed on normal masculine behavior, ever more insane definitions of 'rape', 'assault', and 'aggression' are drafted into law in increasingly desperate attempts to somehow, anyhow, cast women as perpetual victims - even now - men are still refusing to be drawn into a real battle.

That's how deeply men do not want to fight women.

The sound of the final battle between the sexes will not be heard in the streets or legislatures. It will not be televised or reported. There will be no flags hoisted or victory parades. Because it is already in progress. It is happening all around us in plain sight, for those with the eyes to see it.

And men are deploying the most devastating weapon of all - indifference. In this final battle who cares least wins.

The time has come to reap the harvest of feminism, and for women the fruit will be bitterest of all.
It's pretty simple, women. Either abandon feminism or abandon all hope of being wives and mothers. Because men will not abide feminism and you cannot force us to accept it. 70 years of a totalitarian government could not make communism work. And no amount of resorting to State force is going to make a feminist society viable.

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Anonymous Steve May 13, 2015 8:03 AM  

Record numbers of women are living alone

Now's a good time to invest in companies that make kitty litter and antidepressants.

Blogger Iowahine May 13, 2015 8:05 AM  

Cadders, et. al.,

(I posted this question in response to your post at AG.) Your points are well-taken and I'm asking you - and all - from a practical standpoint, when you engage in sex, how do you avoid getting stuck with child support and child from unplanned offspring? Seems very risky to trust women with birth control. Do you sense or preselect for women you perceive would abort rather than deliver? Thanks.

Anonymous Peter Garstig May 13, 2015 8:05 AM  

And men are deploying the most devastating weapon of all - indifference.

Game in one powerful sentence. Indifference is what Women hate most. Use it.

Blogger sykes.1 May 13, 2015 8:11 AM  

The inexorable trend of US court decisions is to legalize all forms of consensual sex. In particular that means the legalization of prostitution, which would greatly reduce the need to deal with non-prostitute women, especially feminists.

Legalization will also be extended to polygamy, and no feminists would join such a marriage.

Free at last, free at last ...

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 May 13, 2015 8:16 AM  

The days of polygamy (mostly polgany) in America draw nigh.

Not only will high value me marry multiple women (because they can afford it, etc), bitter women will group together and call it marriage and seek legal protection from the state.

And pity the poor man that becomes husband to multiple women.

Blogger Markku May 13, 2015 8:17 AM  

I don't think it will be indifference, I think it will be the ISIS solution. New torture devices for women and so forth.

Anonymous KC9ZNR May 13, 2015 8:17 AM  

A Boy and His Dog?

Anonymous #0348 May 13, 2015 8:21 AM  

"And men are deploying the most devastating weapon of all - indifference."

I have read decent arguments that indifference, not hate, is the opposite of love. Cadders' comment strikes me as further corroboration for this.

Anonymous p-dawg May 13, 2015 8:21 AM  

Still, of course, it's women who are the ultimate victims...narrative is everywhere. If record numbers of women are living alone, then are not record numbers of men also living alone? But, of course, the real tragedy is lonely women. It's not a tragedy, ladies. It's a shame. Shame on you for coming up with this junk, and shame on men for tolerating it. And no, I'm not exempting myself. I'm guilty, too. Brainwashing is difficult to correct, even when you know it's there.

Blogger bob k. mando May 13, 2015 8:25 AM  

Iowahine May 13, 2015 8:05 AM
Seems very risky to trust women with birth control.



who trusts women with birth control? hell, who even trusts a woman who accuses a specific man of being a child's father these days?

1 - men are perfectly capable of buying their own condoms
2 - if riding bareback is that important to you, a man can pay for his own vasectomy
3 - if doing a one night stand, why are you even telling her your real/any last name or taking her home?

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 13, 2015 8:25 AM  

@Difster

I heard something like that before.

"In that day seven women will take hold of one man and say, 'We will eat our own food and provide our own clothes; only let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace!'"

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 8:34 AM  

meh. more MGTOW... ***yawn***

It sounds great it really does. Bu the fact is all it is, is yammering on the internet of guys who weren't getting laid anyway.

If you refuse to marry a very good woman.... over these reasons... then I'm simply going to consider you a barbarian of no more use to civilization than a SJW.

Anonymous Minion #0172 May 13, 2015 8:35 AM  

"So men are doing what they have always done: survey their environment, understand it, and behave rationally according to it."

"If women didn't have vaginas there would be a bounty on them."

And when the sexbot is perfected, when you can't tell the difference in the dark, when the vagina is custom formed to your tool and the AI knows what moves, words, turn you on, that is when women will lose what remaining value they have.

I don't know if that will be the end of civilization or the beginning of a better one.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 8:37 AM  

"And pity the poor man that becomes husband to multiple women."

you should think more about that. What do you think divorce will look like if its 1 woman, divorcing a man with 4 other wives?

It won't look like it does today at all.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 8:40 AM  

Nate, it's easier to find a good women in some geographical regions than others. As much as I might deny your judgement of us Northerners as a whole, you Southrons at least have more women that appreciate actual masculine men.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 May 13, 2015 8:41 AM  

Childless menopausal wage slaves. Then they die.

It isn't just the economics, politics, sociology of Monasteries and Convents that's interesting - its their very obliteration from history.

Another Atlantis, condemned to the repetition.

Jesus, methinks, is sending tribulations like a 5 am alarm clock with Klaxon horns and 200 decibel sirens, cheers.

[great piece of writing - it reads like an epitaph for a corpse that hasn't quite stopped breathing]

Blogger CM May 13, 2015 8:43 AM  

1 - men are perfectly capable of buying their own condoms
2 - if riding bareback is that important to you, a man can pay for his own vasectomy
3 - if doing a one night stand, why are you even telling her your real/any last name or taking her home?


Iowahine,

Seriously... why would your auto response be "pre-select" for a woman likely to abort?

Most men (at least around here) are dead set against that culture of death... so why on earth would they pre-select a woman who would KILL their offspring?

Why would a man against that pre-select putting his dick in that death trap?
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Personally, i have no pity for these women. I have pity for the young women who love and respect the men in their lives and have been questioning feminist premises who are still stuck with their older sisters' wreckage.

I have pity for my daughter who will not be taught this abhorrent bull shit who could still end up shouldering the fall out.

Let these older women rot for all I care. They destroyed several generations of women with their ideology from hell.

Anonymous Peter Garstig May 13, 2015 8:43 AM  

Nate, it's easier to find a good women in some geographical regions than others. As much as I might deny your judgement of us Northerners as a whole, you Southrons at least have more women that appreciate actual masculine men.

So what is a man to do? Is this really so hard to understand?

Blogger Bobo #117 May 13, 2015 8:44 AM  

My wife often laments the years that the locust of feminism stole from her. But as promised, God has restored them.
Most women, as we readily observe, are not so blessed.

My advice to young men these days is along these lines:
If Christian, pray and seek for that Pearl of a woman.
If not Christian, pirate away.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 13, 2015 8:49 AM  

And that is why the European is dying out and Europe will become Eurabia. All the Europeans have bought into the Marxist/Utilitarian viewpoint of equalizing women with men. One of the founders of feminism is John Stuart Mill and his Subjection of Women book. We can thank the atheists and the liberals for this.

The European man is dead and dying. It began when he left the Church. It is amazing how many of the errors of today have arisen out of Judeo-Masonic England! All the errors of today have their root in either England or in Italy with the Renaissance.

If the European man is not marrying, the Muslim sure is. What we are seeing the Muslim and Hispanic takeover of the world.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 8:50 AM  

Peter, a man should identify what he's looking for, and then look in places where he has a better chance of finding it. I live in Western MA, I'm recently married to a church-going gal, so church fellowships are a good start, or shooting ranges, or hang out at fucking Tractor Supply.

Being in Western Ma, I also have Mount Holyoke, Amherst, or various other universities, go there for fun (I wouldn't marry a lib chick, but I'd sure fuck 'em), look in the former for a wife.

Blogger Robert What? May 13, 2015 8:52 AM  

The "elites" are starting to notice and panic. This was not the way it was supposed to turn out. Men were supposed to continue being dutiful slaves to the wife and the State. Now that the producers of tomorrow are ... well ... not producing, who are going to pay for those huge entitlements; those lavish government pensions; those high paid make-work jobs for women in HR and non profits?

My question is - what are the "elites" planning? My guess is that they will first try some forceful "man up" legislation. Of course it can't but miserably fail. But what might it look like?

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni May 13, 2015 8:55 AM  

Truly feminine - as opposed to feminist - women have a great advantage in today's world. Their only problem is to convince increasingly wary men that they are truly feminine. So how does a man determine if a woman is feminine? Little things: does she feel more comfortable when you are driving? Does she wait on you, bring you supper? Does she talk eagerly about having children? Maybe some of these things can be faked, but they indicate a truly feminine, or womanly attitude that men are hungry for these days. A man should have a woman, should bewilling to give up some freedom to have a family. But great care must be taken.
Womanly women are out there. Dare to be a fully realized man, a father, an achiever, a good husband.

Anonymous RedJack #22 May 13, 2015 8:55 AM  

Nate, great point.

When you have groups of women divorcing their sister/wives... Well it will be interesting.

On topic, I have a friend from college that went the feminist route. She is now 40, alone, with cats. In her late 30's she found Christ, but by that time her goal of a family was gone.

She is trying to tell the younger women not to follow in her footsteps.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ (30) May 13, 2015 8:57 AM  

There's a hair's breadth difference between tolerance and indifference. Indifference has become the preferred black knighting response to the moral hazard of mandatory tolerance. There is power in decisive indifference, rational ignorance, and refusing to pretend to know things you really don't know. It really does seem to bristle some of the womenfolk though.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 8:57 AM  

"So what is a man to do? Is this really so hard to understand?"

Apparently... according to the weepy vaginas of MGTOW... a man bitches and whines on the internet then takes his ball and goes home.

Forgive me if I feel no pity for the yankees and their yankee problems. It was after all... yankees that created these problems. And if the yankees want to stop breeding... well that's certainly fine with me.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 8:58 AM  

"The "elites" are starting to notice and panic."

what elites are these that are noticing and panicing?

Anonymous dh May 13, 2015 8:59 AM  

My question is - what are the "elites" planning? My guess is that they will first try some forceful "man up" legislation. Of course it can't but miserably fail. But what might it look like?

Right now the State and Feminism are one with each other, but that's only because there are still enough producers to create and distribute wealth. The State and Feminism will have to divorce, or become more coercive, when the money runs out. Immigration legal and otherwise have temporarily back stopped demographic decline, but that's a short-term solution. For one, as more minorities pickup feminism and for two, as immigration pays decreasing and decreasing returns the decline continues.

Short of extraction farms or artificial sperm, there's not much hope. If you aren't Christian, there isn't really any reason to not take young women for a ride and then leave them to their own devices. College is the perfect environment for men to experience whatever they want sexually without consequence. The biggest trick of them all was tricking women into thinking this was fair for them.

Blogger Markku May 13, 2015 9:05 AM  

Hell, THAT was easy.

"*psst!* Christians want you to make babies."

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 9:06 AM  

Nate, I agree, Yankees have done some dumb shit. That said, I look around at the friends and acquaintances I've made after leaving the Army, and I see who has large families, strong values, and firearms.

They may be a minority at the moment, but they're working on that. They probably have more in common with folks you know than the single child liberal couple across the street or next door to them. And they maintain their faith and values in a more hostile environment.

Anonymous Web Slice May 13, 2015 9:09 AM  

Either abandon feminism or abandon all hope of being wives and mothers.

This really doens't hold. Most the wives and mothers I know are feminists. You could make a case that women need to "Either abandon [the worst extremes of] feminism or abandon all hope of being wives and mothers" but that is true of most isms.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 9:10 AM  

"The "elites" are starting to notice and panic."

what elites are these that are noticing and panicing?


There is a very small subset of liberal women who've created an entire literary sub genre about their inability to find a good man.

They're not really "the elites" in the Master of the Universe 0.1% sense. But they do create a lot of articles on the web that drive this conversation.

Anonymous black knight May 13, 2015 9:12 AM  

"All feminism has is shaming language and the State (ironically, ultimately other men) to keep men to the feminist line."

Ayn Rand called it ...sanction of the victim.

The root of ALL forms of Leftism.. and SJWs.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 9:12 AM  

Upper Class Birthrates Increase in NYC

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 13, 2015 9:14 AM  

Aggressive indifference towards SJW not an unheard of tactic

Blogger IM2L844 May 13, 2015 9:20 AM  

Everything liberalism touches turns to shit. Consider what they point to as evidence of success.

Blogger RC May 13, 2015 9:20 AM  

If you're a Christian man with a modicum of masculinity, there is no reason to MGTOW. God always preserves a remnant and today's remnant can be found in abundance within the homeschooling movement: beauty, submission, modesty, virtue, virginity, coming from large families with a love of children, raised in biblical marriage. Find them and you will marry well.

I am surrounded by such young women in my social circle, most with serious mothers and strong dads, the new rebels, genuine Christ-followers. Find a church with a large contingent of homeschoolers and you will find a good wife.

Anonymous SugarPi May 13, 2015 9:24 AM  

I'm watching the feminist mindset play out in Christian women of my daughter's generation who would disavow any hint of this insidious disease. My son-in-law noticed the prevalence of hen-pecked sissy boys in our grandsons' Bible-based homeschool group.
One grandson told us about how the moms flocked out to the field when one of the boys tripped and fell during a football game. They put the kibosh on tackling.
We have left the group after our other middle school age grandson was formally disciplined for referring to Miley Cyrus as a slut in a closed classroom setting with only peers present(that's labeling a woman, you see, and sent the tutor into spasms even though he immediately apologized- I told her that we don't tolerate slang in our home and the biblical term is more appropriate; she didn't get my humor) and for talking about weapons too much.
We learned we are not the only family to depart for the same reason, so I'm thankful some men are doing their job as husband and father.

Anonymous Giuseppe May 13, 2015 9:24 AM  

P-dawg,
Brainwashing is difficult to correct, even when you know it's there.

And even if you are like me, and due to Tarzan-like upbringing, somewhat Aspie inability and disinterest in buying into abstract bullshit, and general contempt for bullshit all-round, you will most likely end up divorced and with your kid abducted.

It really is a sorry state of affairs, and I am reminded that, though I never used their services (even when they were occasionally offered for free) when I worked in close protection, I had more than a few conversations with prostitutes. Invariably they struck me as more honest than non-professionals.
And also generalky more honest than non-whores.

This whole planet is literally going to hell in a handbasket.

Blogger CM May 13, 2015 9:26 AM  

College is the perfect environment for men to experience whatever they want sexually without consequence. The biggest trick of them all was tricking women into thinking this was fair for them.

Ummm... two words: Rape Culture

So much for consequence free sex...

If I could iterate one thing to my son staring in the next 5 years it would be keep it in your pants because these girls will screw you over.

Self preservation. No false rape claims, no child support, no aborted offspring.

And then we can talk about marriagable women.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 9:26 AM  

One grandson told us about how the moms flocked out to the field when one of the boys tripped and fell during a football game. They put the kibosh on tackling.

Women. Ruin. Everything.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 13, 2015 9:30 AM  

Be careful - don't let the southerners know that they aren't reproducing, either. Better disown Texas and try to stake a claim to Indiana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hispanic_whites

Blogger AmyJ May 13, 2015 9:33 AM  

Makes you think arranged marriage and betrothals might be back on the menu very soon for those of us with small children, at least among Christians.

Have already discussed it in mildly joking terms with friends who, like my husband and I, fear what our children's mate selection will look like in 18-20 years or so. As things get worse, the jokes might become more serious.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 9:34 AM  

Be careful - don't let the southerners know that they aren't reproducing, either. Better disown Texas and try to stake a claim to Indiana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hispanic_whites


Your link shows that southern whites have a higher population growth than the national average for whites.

Blogger CM May 13, 2015 9:35 AM  

SugarPi -

Our church is surprisingly different.

We have our male and female feminists on a couple issues, but i will never forget how many women stood up and lambasted a guy for blaming men for an unfaithful wife.

He had clearly been brainwashed... and he wasn't a leader, just a stand in for our young adult bible study. But without fail, every woman pointedly asked if you cheated on her, is it her fault or yours?

I have been given the green light for a fall study on Ephesians 5 by a guy who knows what i believe and is the exact opposite (he has such strange views on the subject).

Yeah. We have problems, but we aren't being silenced in disagreement.

Anonymous Lastrik May 13, 2015 9:37 AM  

Another comment full of wishful, unsubstantiated, no evidence thinking.

" men are disengaging from society in general"
What does this mean, and where's the evidence? Disengaging? Hardly.

"if you don't get married, you can't be divorced"
Brilliant!! But does he really think a declining marriage rate has to do with MEN??

"if you don't co-habit you can't have half your stuff appropriated"
Are they no co-habitating? Evidence anyone?

"if you don't have children, you can't be on the hook for child support"
God forbid men should have to pay for their children.

"if you don't enter the corporate world you can't be be accused of 'harassment'"
Are men not entering the corporate world? And what does "corporate world" mean? We don't know because the commenter doesn't know. And god forbid that a man should be expected not to slap a woman's ass. How terrible!

"if you don't date you drastically reduce your chance of a false rape accusation"
Hilarious....Are men not dating. There's no evidence of this.

This is what passes for commentary? For Analysis? For rational thinking? Just make stuff up and call it true?

Men need to finally get over the idea that the world belongs to them. Men need to understand that the world is for human beings...not male human beings. Men fucked over women for centuries and now there are a few remaining men who think they still how some sort of God given right to continue to fuck them over.

If only, if only these particular men WOULD withdraw from society then the rational, hardworking, contributing men and women would not have to deal with their desire to fuck over society.

Anonymous Heh May 13, 2015 9:38 AM  

My question is - what are the "elites" planning? My guess is that they will first try some forceful "man up" legislation.

Debtors prison for "deadbeat dads" is only the beginning!

Blogger CM May 13, 2015 9:40 AM  

Oh look... a feminist troll.

I have to go grocery shopping, but i look forward to the play by play crucifixion later.

Anonymous Jourdan #200 May 13, 2015 9:41 AM  

I live and work in Washington, D.C., and I have never seen a higher concentration of pretty girls anywhere before in my life. A few observations:

1) The beautiful European-American woman is at the top of the female sexual hierarchy and she knows it. The young women in this town walk around like royal princesses, scowling at any man who notices them, wearing iPhone earbuds to ward off any human speech.

2) Men, even young handsome men, look away or look down.

3) The vast numbers of third-world women don't affect the European-American woman because they simply aren't competition. No other race (that is, non European or European-American women) comes even close in feminine beauty. Heck, most other races don't even have variation of hair or eye color.

It appears to me that women mistake their short-term advantage for long-term reality, as they are deferred to in the street and are special super-smart snowflakes at work. Then when reality sets in, it's simply too late. It's painful to watch.

Anonymous Stingray May 13, 2015 9:43 AM  

f only, if only these particular men WOULD withdraw from society

Men, I'm coming with you, if I may.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 9:44 AM  

Men, I'm coming with you, if I may.

Only if you bring sammiches

Anonymous cheddarman May 13, 2015 9:45 AM  

Heh,

All these social engineering schemes will accelerate the process of the state bankrupting itself socially and financially. When it has no money, it cant enforce its rules and society will eventually revert to traditional norms.

Anonymous Stingray May 13, 2015 9:46 AM  

Only if you bring sammiches

You all provide the meat, I'll provide the sourdough.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 9:47 AM  

Men need to finally get over the idea that the world belongs to them. Men need to understand that the world is for human beings...not male human beings. Men fucked over women for centuries and now there are a few remaining men who think they still how some sort of God given right to continue to fuck them over.

This is what passes for commentary? For Analysis? For rational thinking? Just make stuff up and call it true?

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 9:52 AM  

Yeah Josh, next she'll be telling us that if women ran the world there would be no wars.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 13, 2015 9:53 AM  

@Josh

You cannot claim either that the South is immune nor that the South still retains the classic racial composition of America as super-majority white.

As to keeping pace, the South is beaten in percentage growth by Colorado, Idaho, DC (which I understand is just growth of the federal behemoth, so set it aside), Hawaii and Arizona.

As a percentage of the total population, the South is not where you find the white tribe - Indiana, Iowa, Idaho, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Only claiming Kentucky and Missouri gives the South representation in the 80%+ white camp.

Fred Reed has predicted we're going to see Mississippi or Alabama become the first majority-black state. Feminism is a problem of middle class and upper middle class women ceasing to breed. Yes, sure, of course, the South is immune to the fate of the rest of the nation - whatever lets you sleep at night.

Blogger FALPhil May 13, 2015 9:53 AM  

And when the sexbot is perfected, when you can't tell the difference in the dark, when the vagina is custom formed to your tool and the AI knows what moves, words, turn you on, that is when women will lose what remaining value they have.

Combine that with artificial wombs, and there is a great sci-fi society story there.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 13, 2015 9:54 AM  

And Utah and Nevada for percentage growth, too.

Blogger JartStar May 13, 2015 9:55 AM  

Forget every other metric for economic disaster. A generation not having children let alone not even getting married is economic doom.

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married

Anonymous SugarPi May 13, 2015 9:56 AM  

CM, thumbs up on your Bible study. We've found another homeschool group, but still haven't joined a church in this area. I long ago realized that folks homeschool for various reasons that don't coincide with ours (i.e. Biblical worldview).

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 9:56 AM  

Not only will high value me marry multiple women (because they can afford it, etc)

Perhaps the dumber ones will. There's no need for a marriage certificate to have a harem. Polygamy is already defacto legal. Hell, you can even have a religious ceremony if you so desire.

The only rational reason for obtaining state sanction is the situation pointed out above: protecting your assets and other children from one wife divorcing you. But, if you aren't interested in children, then set up a harem and have fun.

Blogger Viking Gamer May 13, 2015 9:57 AM  

Love is like light. There is no darkness but rather a lack of light. There is also no hate but rather a lack of love. What we call hate is more often envy or wrath or both together. The real opposite of love is the lack of love. Complete disconnection from the other. Turning inward and focusing on the self.

But indifference by itself is not the lack of love. It doesn't convey enough information. Indifference to what? Her opinion? Her accomplishments? Her feelings? So what. Love is willing the good of the other. Lack of love is indifference to the other's well being. So game doesn't have to be lacking in love, properly understood. Game is surgical indifference and focus on what is most effective.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 9:57 AM  

"Be careful - don't let the southerners know that they aren't reproducing, either. Better disown Texas and try to stake a claim to Indiana."

***chuckle***

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 9:57 AM  

And not to go too far OT, but this is why I'm proud of my daughters. I overheard my oldest talking to my wife about feminism, I don't remember exactly what she said, but she, at 15, made more sense than many women twice her age.

I'll raise my daughters to be strong enough to despise those things that pass for men these days, but to respect a man strong in his faith, and not afraid to show it.

Blogger bob k. mando May 13, 2015 9:58 AM  

Josh May 13, 2015 9:47 AM
Just make stuff up and call it true?



be fair, Josh.

that's like 90% of all the argumentation we ever see from SJWs ... appeal to their own authority.

Anonymous Curlytop May 13, 2015 9:58 AM  

Josh: "This is what passes for commentary? For Analysis? For rational thinking? Just make stuff up and call it true?"

Well yeah, remember: it's not the validity of the accusation/argument but how it makes one *feel*. Sheesh!

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 9:59 AM  

"Perhaps the dumber ones will. There's no need for a marriage certificate to have a harem. "

you don't need a certificate to be married. And biblically speaking.. a concubine is a type of wife. The kids don't have inheritance rights... but the man is still committed to caring for her as long as they live.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 13, 2015 9:59 AM  

@Nate

"***chuckle***"

I'm glad you liked it. Josh altogether does not know how a southron should respond to that sort of remark. I thought the southern gentleman's handbook was still taught in the schools down there.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:00 AM  

As a percentage of the total population, the South is not where you find the white tribe - Indiana, Iowa, Idaho, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Only claiming Kentucky and Missouri gives the South representation in the 80%+ white camp.


Dude...most of those states on your list saw negative white population growth.

You're looking at the delta in population percentage to measure fertility when you should be looking at the delta in population.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 10:01 AM  

appeal to their own authority

Ha! Is there any other that can be acknowledged by a mind that has embraced "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"?

Anonymous cheddarman May 13, 2015 10:02 AM  

Lastrik,

you libtard, you bring a plastic butter knife to a gun fight.

Men are withdrawing from society. They are not marring, so as to avoid divorce rape.

If you were capable of using logic, you would observe that white men are not doing the traditional things that men do to build and maintain civilization.

One only needs to look at the collapse in marriage statistics.

You should follow your feelings, and go live in a female dominated society. I would recommend Haiti or the country of your choice in sub Saharan Africa.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 13, 2015 10:02 AM  

@Josh

You must have missed where I offered you either metric - the West outgrew and the Midwest has a higher percentage - and the west is, of course, Yankeedom, too.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 10:02 AM  

"I'll raise my daughters to be strong enough to despise those things that pass for men these days, but to respect a man strong in his faith, and not afraid to show it."

and then... one of these MGTOW shits will meet your daughters and... and she will reject him for the useless savage he is... and he will go on telling everyone how there are no good women in the world and that's why just has to be a savage.

and in the meanwhile... some well bred christian boy will marry your daughters and have lots of happy kids with her.

And the useless MGTOW shit will die bitter and alone... and the world will go one precisely as if he had never existed.

Which is fine with me.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 10:04 AM  

"and the west is, of course, Yankeedom, too."

The West is the west. The people there are neither easterners nor southrons. Culturally they are strange to both... and both are strange to them.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 10:04 AM  

you don't need a certificate to be married

We are reliably informed by the Lavender Mafia that you do.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:06 AM  

You must have missed where I offered you either metric - the West outgrew and the Midwest has a higher percentage - and the west is, of course, Yankeedom, too.

What exactly are you trying to argue?

Anonymous Giuseppe May 13, 2015 10:06 AM  

Lastrik,
Well...you know...one would take time to respond with careful analysis etc etc. But you're a SJW rafem idiot, so I will apply a mildly more wordy version of Nate's penetrating wisdom.

No one cares what you think or want. Especially, no attractive, capable, virile men care in the slightest way at ALL about your entire existence. We will never give a copulation at a bat's rectum whether you live or die, because you are simply, at best, like dog excrement on the pavement, something to not step into. You are utterly irrelevant. And no amount of your whining will EVER make a man actually want to spend any money, sex, intimacy or time with/on you.

Tl; Dr: we don't care.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 10:08 AM  

Exactly that Nate, I'll continue to do what my white christian forebears did, it worked for them. They can enjoy the decline all they like, I'll watch and wait with an exited and anxious expectation.

Blogger Henry Smith May 13, 2015 10:09 AM  

Now this is kind of interesting: A feminist troll, Lastrik, appeared and bleated. Then CM said "uh oh, crucifixion coming...."

And then...nothing. No one bothered with dealing with her. Barely anyone took the time or effort to even dismiss her. It was like a collective...yawn.

Confirmation of indifference? I'm only noticing. You decide.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:09 AM  

And no amount of your whining will EVER make a man actually want to spend any money, sex, intimacy or time with/on you.

Also Tits or GTFO

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 10:10 AM  

As a percentage of the total population, the South is not where you find the white tribe - Indiana, Iowa, Idaho, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Only claiming Kentucky and Missouri gives the South representation in the 80%+ white camp.

Apparently, the best way to keep the vibrant hordes away is to plant corn and soybeans or even wheat. Whatever you do, don't plant tomatoes or cotton.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 13, 2015 10:10 AM  

Post-scarcity societies don't need Western feminism to see the drop in pair-bonding and family formation---look at Japan.

As usual, I care little about the forest as a whole, only the hardwoods (no pun intended.) My sons are well-educated, honorable, kind, well-employed men who sifted the haystack of throwback females to find their wives, all of whom value marriage, partnership, children and (1 for 1, so far) stay-at-home mothering.

None of us changes the environment presented by the masses of Men. We only change where we land on the spectrum of choices offered. Good young men and good young women exist, even if finding each other requires a little more effort than before given the significantly more toxic pop culture in play now.

Feminism, like gambling, alcoholism, pornography, obsessive video-gaming, TV addiction and chronically dysfunctional social relationships is a vice. It is an act undertaken in hope of finding greater happiness, but that ultimately is self-harming. We live in a time when vices beckon in almost every direction, so eschewing them all in favor of what REALLY leads to Happiness Path requires more than the usual amount of discernment.

The rewards of success in this regard have never been sweeter. Every moron can get a driver's license, but surviving a lot of operator hours with a private pilot's license truly separates the wheat from the chaff.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:11 AM  

Apparently, the best way to keep the vibrant hordes away is to plant corn and soybeans or even wheat. Whatever you do, don't plant tomatoes or cotton.

Soybeans and corn racis!

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 13, 2015 10:11 AM  

@Josh

I understand; it's early and you jumped in to defend Nate, who didn't need your defense. Just a reminder, you are defending Nate:

"Forgive me if I feel no pity for the yankees and their yankee problems. It was after all... yankees that created these problems. And if the yankees want to stop breeding... well that's certainly fine with me."

Since middle class and upper middle class in America is basically non-Hispanic white, and feminism is the failure of that segment to reproduce, we go to the chart on where those people are, and where they are growing.

And, the South loses to a portion of Yankeedom on where they are growing (the non-coastal West) and where they are most of the population (the Midwest). Whichever metric you prefer, the South is not a undisputed success or free from the disease.

So, just as the MGTOW whining is really, really annoying, so to is it always predictably boring to hear the rebel yell - die yankee! about time! - when, in fact, the South shows the same signs of collapse.

Anonymous dh May 13, 2015 10:12 AM  

Lastrik--

Others will chime in with their own takes on the data, but for "men entering the corporate" world, it's clear.

Woman make up 47% of the workforce (link), for millennial college graduates, a group that skews female by 10% (link), only 15% prefer to work for a corporation or big business (link). Small business and sole proprietorship formation and ownership continues to accelerate towards men, especially for businesses that do not fail within the first three years (link).

Blogger darkdoc May 13, 2015 10:12 AM  

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Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 10:12 AM  

Also Tits or GTFO

Oh please, if she had a decent pair her dance card would be full and she'd have better things to do than femsplaining her bitterness here.

Anonymous Minion #0172 May 13, 2015 10:13 AM  

"Yeah Josh, next she'll be telling us that if women ran the world there would be no wars."

There might not be any major wars but there certainly would never be peace.

Blogger darkdoc May 13, 2015 10:13 AM  

it's easier to find a good women in some geographical regions than others. As much as I might deny your judgement of us Northerners as a whole, you Southrons at least have more women that appreciate actual masculine men.

Sorry, sciballa, but you have been fooled by masters of deceit.

While certainly more feminine acting, and often quite beautiful, southern women are more deceitful, manipulative, sneaky, self- interested, and self-serving than most groups you can find across the US.

I agree with Nate that it is very possible to find a very good woman, but I would not generally look in the south, for fear that the harpy would appear after the vows were made.

Anonymous Difster May 13, 2015 10:15 AM  

Perhaps the dumber ones will. There's no need for a marriage certificate to have a harem.

Because some people, especially the rich that already feed off the state, still seek state approval.

But there are also laws like in Texas where if you hold yourself out to be married, then, according to the state, you are in fact legally married whether you have sought state blessing or not through a certificate.

Not saying its right, just saying what is.

Blogger SarahsDaughter May 13, 2015 10:15 AM  

Men fucked over women for centuries and now there are a few remaining men who think they still how some sort of God given right to continue to fuck them over.

All those centuries of fucked over women who, as the data has shown, were more happy than the unfucked (heh) hags of today.

In the feminist mind being childless, 50, working in a cubicle, living with cats, obese, lonely, on SSRI's, and unhealthy is winning.

Stingray, I'm coming too! I'm very satisfied being a fucked over loser who respects that it is from the sweat of men's brows we get to live in such a "fucked over state" of advanced civilization and technology.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 10:15 AM  

I harbor no delusions #0172, sometimes it takes a major war to have peace.

Anonymous Peter Garstig May 13, 2015 10:16 AM  

This really doens't hold. Most the wives and mothers I know are feminists.

You didn't understand this post."Feminism is already a dead woman walking.". It's still walking, so it still exists, as you said. But for how long? The choice is either a) Marry, have children or be a wife or b) be a feminist. While a+b is still possible today, it won't be in the future, because men are rational beings.

Blogger D. Lane May 13, 2015 10:17 AM  

Another comment full of wishful, unsubstantiated, no evidence thinking.

I couldn't help but notice that your objection didn't include a single citation.

Anonymous Peter Garstig May 13, 2015 10:17 AM  

"have children or be a wife" should be "have children and be a wife"

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:17 AM  

I understand; it's early and you jumped in to defend Nate, who didn't need your defense. Just a reminder, you are defending Nate:

"Forgive me if I feel no pity for the yankees and their yankee problems. It was after all... yankees that created these problems. And if the yankees want to stop breeding... well that's certainly fine with me."


Wrong.

This is the statement to which I responded:

Be careful - don't let the southerners know that they aren't reproducing, either. Better disown Texas and try to stake a claim to Indiana.


You helpfully included a link to the Wikipedia article that contained population numbers showing that southern whites are reproducing.

Now you can backtrack and hand wave and start talking about population percentages all you like.

Just remember that your original statement didn't mention those at all.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 10:19 AM  

I understand why Nate is not a fan of Yankees, but I also know, while he might not choose to admit it, he appreciates us indirectly. We make a good bogeyman to you Southrons. Raise a glass to us once in a while, it's guys like me ( a machinist/toolmaker living in Westfield, MA) who make some of your favorite toys. We may be a minority, but we remember what made America great.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2015 10:20 AM  

Oh look... a feminist troll.

I have to go grocery shopping, but i look forward to the play by play crucifixion later.


I'm sorry to disappoint you CM, but I'm too indifferent to respond to the troll.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 10:20 AM  

Woman make up 47% of the workforce (link), for millennial college graduates, a group that skews female by 10% (link), only 15% prefer to work for a corporation or big business (link). Small business and sole proprietorship formation and ownership continues to accelerate towards men, especially for businesses that do not fail within the first three years (link).

Things like tech advances, robotics, and the maker movement will only increase that trend among men creating their own businesses and avoiding the corporate world.

Weapons Shop of Isher, anyone?

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 10:23 AM  

But there are also laws like in Texas where if you hold yourself out to be married, then, according to the state, you are in fact legally married whether you have sought state blessing or not through a certificate.

You missed the point: there is little incentive for the rich Alpha to hold himself out as married to multiple women. Rather, it is simpler, easier, and safer to maintain a harem.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 13, 2015 10:25 AM  

@Josh

Sure thing, Josh. Whatever you would like to believe. You missed Nate and skiballa bringing up it's better in the South before I commented.

Now, so you do know, there are whites reproducing in Yankeedom, too, but not as fast other groups, right? I mean, my numbers showed whites reproducing elsewhere, so I can't be saying literally that whites don't reproduce in, say, Iowa, which is a Yankee state. So, of course, you take it literally when you want to, and you let it slide otherwise.

I'm not hand waving. But, anyway, I'll just remember to avoid speaking with you - I mean, the original post was, as interpreted as a chuckle by Nate, at worst gentle ribbing.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:26 AM  

Raise a glass to us once in a while, it's guys like me ( a machinist/toolmaker living in Westfield, MA) who make some of your favorite toys. We may be a minority, but we remember what made America great.

Car Talk, the New Yankee Workshop, and This Old House aren't the kinds of Yankees I dislike.

Then again, I don't think Norm Abrams really cares that much about opposing southron independence.

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia May 13, 2015 10:27 AM  

I work for a major amerikan semiconductor manufacturer (the name withheld to protect the guilty). The straw that broke the camels back for me was their big diversity push and the 8 week baby leave they're giving to everyone. Just for background, I'm a 50 year old white male with a BS and an MS in engineering from very good engineering schools so I'm not a moron.
Since 1983, I've put up with the BS of what was affirmative action which morphed into diversity. I am happily married but we have a much more traditional marriage so this feminist crap is not a part of our household. My wife and I also fall into very traditional roles at home.
I've gone Galt at work by doing the bare minimum and not going beyond. I plan on taking it a step further within the next year or so and completely leaving corporate Amerika to the vibrants. I will then do some type of non-corporate job that give us enough money to meet our needs but minimize feeding the amerikan tax monster. Why in the hell am I feeding the monster that seeks to kill me. I figure if I'm an evil white male, I will relieve the US of the burden of my evil and leave things open to the vibrants.
Right now, we're not sure of location but overseas is absolutely an option. I plan to give these idiots what they ask for. It might not be what they want, but it will be what they ask for. Am I quiting, perhaps. I would gladly come back when the system finally craps out but until then. I'll be on strike!

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2015 10:27 AM  

The West is the west. The people there are neither easterners nor southrons. Culturally they are strange to both... and both are strange to them.

As a West Coast kid, i agree. My family headed west a long time ago, mostly to get away from the both of you. I'll give you Southrons credit though, fewer of you followed us, and the ones that did were mostly of a better sort.

Anonymous RedJack #22 May 13, 2015 10:31 AM  

The West is the west. The people there are neither easterners nor southrons. Culturally they are strange to both... and both are strange to them.

Very true. I grew up in the "farm" West (not the "ranch", which is much like federal welfare). We have some views like the South, some like the North, but both are very odd.

It is also why so many Hispanics from Northern Mexico end up there. The culture and worldview is very similar in places, much closer than say, New York or Atlanta.

Anonymous dh May 13, 2015 10:31 AM  

Lastrik--

Regarding the marriage decline, and why this is happening, it is surely because men do not want to be married, at the expense of women who want to get married.

According to Pew (link):

At least 53% of never married adults want to get married, but 41% of never married adults over 35 say the reason they haven't gotten married is they haven't found the right person yet.

78% of women who haven't married yet say it is very important to find a man who is willing to marry them that has a steady job.

A key take away:

"If today’s young men (those ages 25 to 34 in 2010) follow a similar pattern to the cohorts of young men that have preceded
them, nearly three-in-ten (28%) will still have never been married by 2030, when they are 45 to 54 years old. If this is the case, today’s young adults will experience the lowest marriage rate in modern history"

All the evidence points to the fact that women can't find men to marry to them, that the number one reason is because men aren't willing to provide for women, and that men are working overtime to ensure that they won't ever be married. We are on track for over 25% of men to never marry and form families, and trend is clearly accelerating.

Meanwhile, as women education and wage growth continues, there is the Paradox of Female Unhappiness", which for the same 35 year period from 1975 to 2010, shows that women's unhappiness has objectively tripled.

Subjectively and ancetedotally, the number of older, never married women who complain and whine about not being able to find a man who wants to marry a smarter or more educated women is in the rise. And of course, back to science, we have on going evidence that cat ownership continues to rise, and continues to concentrate on woman. As of 2010, 80% of cats were owned by women, and cats have overtake dogs as the most owned pet link).

Anonymous Stingray May 13, 2015 10:31 AM  

Stingray, I'm coming too! I'm very satisfied being a fucked over loser who respects that it is from the sweat of men's brows we get to live in such a "fucked over state" of advanced civilization and technology.

All of us loser women here could make some pretty mean sammiches to aid the advancement of that technology. It'll be awesome.

**And a bunch of sammiches showed up in the captcha . . . fortuitous.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 10:32 AM  

No Josh, the Yankees you dislike are the same variety that I dislike, but I have to live with them.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 10:33 AM  

We may be a minority, but we remember what made America great.

Move to America. You'd like it here.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:37 AM  

Now, so you do know, there are whites reproducing in Yankeedom, too, but not as fast other groups, right? I mean, my numbers showed whites reproducing elsewhere, so I can't be saying literally that whites don't reproduce in, say, Iowa, which is a Yankee state. So, of course, you take it literally when you want to, and you let it slide otherwise.

You made a simple statement and referenced a Wikipedia article.

I noticed that your simple statement was not backed up by the Wikipedia article.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 10:37 AM  

" We make a good bogeyman to you Southrons. "

We'd be friends if we weren't forced to share a federal government.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 10:38 AM  

Stilicho, having had this conversation in other threads, I'll decline to go into too much depth. My family has lived in New England since 1634, they've weathered every bit of trouble since then, I'll abide here as long as I'm able.

Blogger SirThermite May 13, 2015 10:38 AM  

@Nate

"If you refuse to marry a very good woman.... over these reasons... then I'm simply going to consider you a barbarian of no more use to civilization than a SJW."

"and then... one of these MGTOW shits will meet your daughters and... and she will reject him for the useless savage he is... and he will go on telling everyone how there are no good women in the world and that's why just has to be a savage"


So MGTOW's are refusing to marry good women...except when good women have been taught to despise them for being weak? And a Southron alpha despises them too...his advice is that they Man Up(tm)? Fascinating...

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:39 AM  

But, anyway, I'll just remember to avoid speaking with you

OH NOES! I AM SO DISAPPOINT!

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 10:41 AM  

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I got along quite well with the Southrons I served with in the US Army. You folks still make up the majority of the pointy end, which requires a mindset that I admire.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:42 AM  

And a Southron alpha despises them too...his advice is that they Man Up(tm)? Fascinating...

Man Up does not imply ...And Marry Those Sluts.

Anonymous dh May 13, 2015 10:43 AM  

One last comment. It is clear to me that men who in the past, would have worked hard to form and support families, this is no longer operative. I have a contractor who is by far my most talented regular contractor, who commands $275/hour, easily. This is a very high rate. I would immediately hire him for 40 or 50 or 60 hrs a week. He gives me about 12 hrs a month, no matter how much I ask for. I know he has two other companies, that he gives about the same amount of time to. He takes in, before taxes and expenses, about $10k a month for working less than a whole work week. Typically, he puts his time into projects for me on a single day, sometimes a day and a half.

I've talked to him and told him, "I can easily bill you out for more than you charge me, if you worked for me 160 hrs a month, you could be making $40k a month, and I could be billing you out at 20% profit", he doesn't care. He owns a loft condo free and clear, bikes to work when he has to. He's an only child and his parents are fairly wealthy and in good health. He works 3 or 4 days a month, and vacations in exotic locations 3 or 4 times a year. He carries no debt and has two years income in savings. He spends his free time seeing movies, reading, exercising, growing his own food at a co-op garden, leaning new languages, volunteering. I don't believe he's religious at all. He has girlfriends, none that I know have ever moved in with. Vacation photos have difference faces most of the time.

But how can you argue with his point? Why work harder? He's enjoying the decline. Thirty-something years old, new girlfriend couple of times a year (they seem to be stuck at around 26-28 years old). Savings, comfort, leisure.

The women who I see around him assume he's a closet homosexual, which could be true, but I suspect he's really just figured out the system. I can't really blame him.

Anonymous Grrrrrrrrrrrr May 13, 2015 10:45 AM  

**And a bunch of sammiches showed up in the captcha . . . fortuitous.

I hate those damned picture captchas.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 10:47 AM  

Well, Sir Thermite, if he's a MGTOW then he may as well be a savage, I'd prefer my daughter marry a man going Christ's way. It's more than possible to man up without losing focus on what's important in life.

Anonymous Stingray May 13, 2015 10:47 AM  

Man Up(™)

This has been Incorporated by women and feminized males. When a woman says it, it means nothing of the same as when a Man says it. Don't mistake the two. Iron sharpens Iron.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:50 AM  

This has been Incorporated by women and feminized males. When a woman says it, it means nothing of the same as when a Man says it. Don't mistake the two. Iron sharpens Iron.

I think they're using it as a way to avoid responsibility

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus May 13, 2015 10:50 AM  

The sound of the final battle between the sexes will be *meow!*

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 10:54 AM  

Josh... you're arguing with someone that uses the phrase "white tribe".

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 10:56 AM  

"Well, Sir Thermite, if he's a MGTOW then he may as well be a savage, I'd prefer my daughter marry a man going Christ's way. It's more than possible to man up without losing focus on what's important in life."

fear not.

The Dread Ilk have spread their seed... and it has born great fruit. Her options are plentiful.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 10:56 AM  

Josh... you're arguing with someone that uses the phrase "white tribe".

Good point

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 11:00 AM  

I'll abide here as long as I'm able

Good luck.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 May 13, 2015 11:05 AM  

Note on the idiotic picture captchas: If you can't see the entire frame of pictures, or the submit button, just hit the tab key. Yes, it's still annoying, but it gets you through it.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 11:06 AM  

" And a Southron alpha despises them too...his advice is that they Man Up(tm)? Fascinating..."

Strange.

I don't believe I've given MGTOW any advice. I recall only offering them contempt.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 13, 2015 11:08 AM  

The cruelest laugh I ever had in my life was at the expense of a male feminist, who was doubling down on his feminism even though he had just gone through divorce rape at fifty.

Mind you the man is useless but the funny part is that it was his progressive feminist BS that drove his wife away. She explicitly had gotten tired of it. He wouldn't listen. He still won't.

Anonymous Stingray May 13, 2015 11:08 AM  

I think they're using it as a way to avoid responsibility

Man Up™ means give us what we want and be attractive doing it** (part of which is "you men make yourselves responsible for my misfortune) and Man up from a man means, be a man. A lot of men have never witnessed the difference.

**Women cannot see that this is literally impossible.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 11:09 AM  

People.... if the captcha is just to damn complicated for you... Here is how you solve it:

1) create gmail account.
2) use gmail account to login and comment.
3) done.

And don't give me any of this shit about not liking google. The gmail account can be nothing but a fake link at the end of a long chain of fake links. The point is it will let you login and be remembered and avoid that captcha thing you hate.

Blogger YIH May 13, 2015 11:09 AM  

I was just over at the Chateau, and noticed this in the Twitter list:
Another female teacher-student tryst. msn.com/en-us/news/oth… It's a daily drumbeat of these stories. 10 hours ago
That's right, it's yet another one of those stories that WND likes to obsess about.
But why are 35+ teachers, single women, ect. going for what we semi-jokingly call ''the young stuff''?
The reason is obvious, it's about all that's available to them that breathes and doesn't need batteries. Just like men who pursue 'jailbait', they know if they get caught, suddenly life is going to get quite miserable for them. They just cross their fingers and hope they don't get caught - which is a lousy strategy.
For very many women post-30, the pickings are slim to none, so they go for the male age range that everyone knows is mega-horny... And under 18.
And, for them, publik skools are like a buffet to a glutton. Plenty of possible, er, 'partners'.
Not to mention the fact that if a man tried to troll a skool for jailbait he'd likely get busted or beaten, or both. OTOH, publik skools are a major employer of women. Who seldom go through all the background checks any man would even for legit employment or volunteering (sports coaches for example).

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:09 AM  

Man Up™ means give us what we want and be attractive doing it** (part of which is "you men make yourselves responsible for my misfortune) and Man up from a man means, be a man. A lot of men have never witnessed the difference.

I think they reframe it similar to the way women reframe messages on submission.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:10 AM  

People.... if the captcha is just to damn complicated for you... Here is how you solve it:

1) create gmail account.
2) use gmail account to login and comment.
3) done.


There you go, dispensing advice and telling people to man up...

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 11:13 AM  

Stilicho, I appreciate that, but I do have more than luck on my side.

Nate, I've met many fine young men around here, I have no doubt that she'll find a good one when the time comes.

The mental image of the ilk spreading their seed though.....thanks for that.

Blogger Retrenched May 13, 2015 11:14 AM  

"But, but, MUH CHEAP LABOR!" - Rockefeller

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 11:14 AM  

little MGTOW bitches complaining about being told to Man Up are exactly the same as feminists bitching about Mansplaining.

Blogger Retrenched May 13, 2015 11:17 AM  

"But, but, MUH CHEAP LABOR!" - Rockefeller

Anonymous Stephen J. May 13, 2015 11:18 AM  

Man Up™ means give us what we want and be attractive doing it.... Women cannot see that this is literally impossible.

The logic here being that the very act of providing what a woman wants renders the providing man unattractive to the woman?

I don't dispute that this happens, but it suddenly strikes me to wonder where this reflex comes from; it ultimately seems very counterproductive. What's the survival gain in this response?

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2015 11:19 AM  

Exactly that Nate, he can be a man going his own way, but if he can't maintain his vehicle himself, build something, gut a fish without gagging, and etc., then our definition of "man" probably differs.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:21 AM  

little MGTOW bitches complaining about being told to Man Up are exactly the same as feminists bitching about Mansplaining.

MGTOW/MRA/MHRA are the mirror image of feminists

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:22 AM  

The logic here being that the very act of providing what a woman wants renders the providing man unattractive to the woman?

Only if she knows you're doing it in order to win her over.

Women want you to Just Get It.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2015 11:22 AM  

Any time he hears the phrase "Man Up" a man ought to heartily agree. "Sure, I'll be more masculine. I'll lift more weights, have more fun, take less shit... I'll play harder, work harder, fuck harder... but all that's going to work up an appetite so get busy making the sammiches toots."

Frankly, that would go a long way to solving the problem.

Anonymous Crude May 13, 2015 11:24 AM  

MGTOW/MRA/MHRA are the mirror image of feminists

I admit, when I first heard about MRAs opposing feminism, I was pretty intrigued. I had a different image of what it would be - I guess, at least a large amount of men who wanted to get married and have children, but not get raked over the coals for every supposed failure in modern society.

Instead my first contact was running into guys complaining bitterly that society frowns upon them for wearing dresses and not being allowed to cry.

I'm sure that's not the entire movement, but whenever I look into MRAs they sure seem whiny. Is there more to it than that?

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:25 AM  

Any time he hears the phrase "Man Up" a man ought to heartily agree. "Sure, I'll be more masculine. I'll lift more weights, have more fun, take less shit... I'll play harder, work harder, fuck harder... but all that's going to work up an appetite so get busy making the sammiches toots."

Frankly, that would go a long way to solving the problem.


Except that a gamma isn't going to have that response because of their illusions and lies about reality.

So...when a MGTOW has the same response that a gamma would have...

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 11:25 AM  

"then our definition of "man" probably differs."

preach. if catching a chicken and cutting its throat makes you turn pale... you ain't a man.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:26 AM  

I'm sure that's not the entire movement, but whenever I look into MRAs they sure seem whiny. Is there more to it than that?

Not really. There's a lot of movement on family court reforms, but I'm not sure that's still part of the MRA crowd.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 11:26 AM  

MGTOW/MRA/MHRA are the mirror image of feminists

The defining characteristic of both groups is the butthurt bitterness.

Blogger Kallmunz May 13, 2015 11:27 AM  

I don’t understand the animosity directed toward MGTOWs, of course some of them are whiney to be sure but that is not all of them.
It’s so boring to hear another sermon directed at Christian men ordering them to man up. If Paul walked into a church today and dared to express I COR 7:7-9 he would be thrown out, but then again, he already has been.
For those of you who insist that “real” Christians have to get married, may I suggest some music, Steve Taylor’s “I want to be a clone” played in the background while listening to sermons by Mark Driscoll.

Anonymous dh May 13, 2015 11:29 AM  

Nate, the subgroup is almost all comprised of men who have been treated badly in divorce. Not exclusively, but usually.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2015 11:31 AM  

The logic here being that the very act of providing what a woman wants renders the providing man unattractive to the woman?

Well, partly, in that the less needy she is, the more picky she can be. If the guy outranks her in SMV, she's still going to be attracted to him even if she has her material wants satisfied. But if he's lower SMV than she thinks she is she'll be unhaaaaaapy. (and remember, women tend to over-estimate their SMV because they think every guy willing to have a one-night stand is on the verge of marrying her, and also because they don't like to admit to how fast they decline after their mid-twenties).


Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 13, 2015 11:32 AM  

I don’t understand the animosity directed toward MGTOWs, of course some of them are whiney to be sure but that is not all of them.

They've taken themselves out of the fight. They've decided that self-imposed exile is preferable to making a better world. We can certainly understand their motives in many cases, but we don't respect their choice to go gently into that good night. They are quitters. When the going got tough, they got gone.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 11:32 AM  

"For those of you who insist that “real” Christians have to get married, may I suggest some music, Steve Taylor’s “I want to be a clone” played in the background while listening to sermons by Mark Driscoll."

I don't care if you want to get married or not.

Some folks ain't fit for it. Its quite clearly a biblical concept. But see that's not MTGOW. MTGOW isn't about men who just aren't interested in marriage and kids because of their own nature. MTGOW is about getting back at those mean girls.

And that's where the contempt comes from. its because these are posers. Angry bitter little shits that can't get laid... posing as the rejectors... because they are just so hurt by being rejected.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:32 AM  

For those of you who insist that “real” Christians have to get married, may I suggest some music, Steve Taylor’s “I want to be a clone” played in the background while listening to sermons by Mark Driscoll.

If Paul walked into your living room today and quoted 1 Cor 7:1-2, would he be thrown out?

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2015 11:32 AM  

So...when a MGTOW has the same response that a gamma would have...

Quack, quack, quack.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:33 AM  

I don’t understand the animosity directed toward MGTOWs, of course some of them are whiney to be sure but that is not all of them.

It's probably the same reason alphas and sigmas have so much contempt for gammas.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 11:33 AM  

"They are quitters. When the going got tough, they got gone."

never had the balls to be in the fight anyway.

Anonymous Stingray May 13, 2015 11:34 AM  

I think they reframe it similar to the way women reframe messages on submission.

Agreed. Both are power plays.

Anonymous Lastrik May 13, 2015 11:36 AM  

You little boys need to grow up and reSlize that this weird Idea of God ordained dominance over women is as archaic and useful as the institution of slavery.

We have successfully moved to a point where the sexes are of equal importance, equal talent, equal productivity and are equally responsible for our destiny.

Those of you who try to deny this on any grounds can get out of the way or run over and dismissed.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 11:37 AM  

"Nate, the subgroup is almost all comprised of men who have been treated badly in divorce. Not exclusively, but usually. "

MRA is. I agree. MGTOW tends to be younger and guys who've never married. MRA bores me just as much... more pathetic whining.

Shut up and build something.

Blogger El Borak May 13, 2015 11:38 AM  

...and useful as the institution of slavery.

Someone doesn't know much about history, it seems.

Blogger Markku May 13, 2015 11:39 AM  

God-ordained dominance over women is not optional, it is commanded. However, slavery is not commanded. Paul clearly intended slavery to be phased out. Those who were slaves, were to remain slaves. But new slaves should not be acquired.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 11:39 AM  

"
Those of you who try to deny this on any grounds can get out of the way or run over and dismissed. "

Oh shut the fuck up. Women aren't running over anything. Least of all feminist women.

This is the natural world girl. Tooth and Claw. Blood and Bone. We're bigger stronger and a damn site faster.

Force rules this world.

You shoot your mouth off because we allow it. in your comfy home built by men... on a computer built by men... over the internet... built by men.

Shut the fuck up or we'll get out of the way and give you to the muslims.

Anonymous Giuseppe May 13, 2015 11:41 AM  

MGTOW/MRA/MHRA are the mirror image of feminists
Precisely. Bitter little fags.
Paradoxically, I think if you locked these guys and the radfems up in a huge container, it would eventually result in an uprecedented Dante-ish like mass orgy. One that would melt normal human brains for its Chthullian horror. Yet, the minute you released them, they would revert back to their respective ideological positions. Net time between 180 degree reversals would probably be under a month.

Blogger hank.jim May 13, 2015 11:42 AM  

"Shut up and build something."

Like what? A marriage? The whining continues because there is nothing to build and what was built was torn down.

Anonymous David-093 May 13, 2015 11:42 AM  

"Not really. There's a lot of movement on family court reforms, but I'm not sure that's still part of the MRA crowd."

MRAs are pussies. They timid and fearful. None of them are alphas and none of them will make a difference.

"Women want you to Just Get It."

Somebody has to, cause women sure as hell don't.

"MTGOW isn't about men who just aren't interested in marriage and kids because of their own nature. MTGOW is about getting back at those mean girls."

I think the MGOW's or whatever think Man Up means Marry Sluts, when it has almost nothing to do with women. Growing up it always meant be tough, be brave, don't complain, push on through, do what needs to be done, never quit, and the like. That's what being a man is about. When you're taught these things you're still a kid so girls almost never factor in. Later on, when you've grown up and are, hopefully, not a gamma, you find a decent woman because you've taken those lessons to heart.

Anonymous Stingray May 13, 2015 11:43 AM  

The logic here being that the very act of providing what a woman wants renders the providing man unattractive to the woman?

It's not just the providing, it's the bowing down to her whims. Much like Josh said. What is motivating the man? The woman or what he wants to do? The men woman say they want are impossible because what women find attractive is a man who makes her unsure or even scares her a little bit. He excites her. Yet at the same time, she wants to always be comfortable with him never saying anything, ever to counter her or hurt her precious feelings. These two traits cannot be in one man.

What's the survival gain in this response?

I have no idea. I don't put stake in this evolution (I'm blanking on what it is commonly referred to). I think it comes from Eve. She desired to be like God and then her punishment was to respect and be subordinate to her husband. Both desires are there conflicting with each other. When a woman subverts her desire to rule over her husband and instead submits herself to and respects him instead, he is usually very attractive to her, indeed. She controls her own emotions and doesn't try to control him. He is her Man and she finds him exciting and desirable in this masculinity that she in no way controls. He chooses to control it himself.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:43 AM  

You little boys need to grow up and reSlize that this weird Idea of God ordained dominance over women is as archaic and useful as the institution of slavery.

We have successfully moved to a point where the sexes are of equal importance, equal talent, equal productivity and are equally responsible for our destiny.

Those of you who try to deny this on any grounds can get out of the way or run over and dismissed.


This is what passes for commentary? For Analysis? For rational thinking? Just make stuff up and call it true?

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 11:43 AM  

"Like what? A marriage? The whining continues because there is nothing to build and what was built was torn down."

A house. A car. A table. A fence. A whole farm. Anything. I don't care.

Just stop whining and go do something. Because all your whining does is say "SOMEONE FIX THIS FOR ME!" which is the most unmanly thing you can possibly say.

Blogger Markku May 13, 2015 11:46 AM  

A house. A car. A table. A fence. A whole farm. Anything. I don't care.

That's just your white cishet male privilege talking. The solution is not to actually build something, it's for you to have less privilege. Then it's all fair.

Anonymous dh May 13, 2015 11:46 AM  

Lastrik--

I see that you asked questions, but then just moved past them.

We have successfully moved to a point where the sexes are of equal importance, equal talent, equal productivity and are equally responsible for our destiny.

Feminists disagree. They are every bit as unhappy now as they ever were, perhaps more so. If things were really at the point you argue they are, wouldn't they be done complaining?

Those of you who try to deny this on any grounds can get out of the way or run over and dismissed.

Run over by whom, exactly? The demographic decline brought on by faux-equality is draining the swamp, and the trend accelerates every day. It's the traditionalists, the fundamentalists, and the barbarians who have signed up for the future.

Anonymous RatDog May 13, 2015 11:47 AM  

Read the blog by Anonymous Conservative. This fallout from feminism could be explained in his terms as the transition from an r-selected society to a K-selected society. It won't be smooth and it won't be pretty. Search for the words "amygdala hijack" in his blog if you want some really good tactics for embarrassing feminists publicly. But keep in mind ol' Colonel Boyd's admonitions to make sure you've won at the moral level of war before engaging in destructive tactics.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 May 13, 2015 11:48 AM  

And don't give me any of this shit about not liking google. The gmail account can be nothing but a fake link at the end of a long chain of fake links. The point is it will let you login and be remembered and avoid that captcha thing you hate.

I'll save a seat for you on the FEMA death camp train.

In all seriousness though, if you're going to drop out and fade away make sure you do something worthwhile in your exile.
Tesla could get away with it because he built a Death Ray and an Earthquake Machine.
If you can't at least match that, you're the very definition of a dead end.

Anonymous Minion #0172 May 13, 2015 11:50 AM  

"Combine that with artificial wombs, and there is a great sci-fi society story there."

I began a novel on this theme about ten years ago but didn't finish because I realized that it didn't stand a chance in hell of getting published. Now with the revolution in self-publishing I'm thinking of taking another stab at it.

Though given the premise, the ending is obvious.

Anonymous David-093 May 13, 2015 11:50 AM  

"You shoot your mouth off because we allow it. in your comfy home built by men... on a computer built by men... over the internet... built by men. "

Among the many things my great-grandfather did was home construction. As in, he and his friend built houses over the course of a few months, by themselves. I can't even begin to imagine two women doing something like that without it being a complete and utter disaster.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:53 AM  

I can't even begin to imagine two women doing something like that without it being a complete and utter disaster. load bearing walls are just the patriarchy conspiracy

Anonymous David-093 May 13, 2015 11:54 AM  

"load bearing walls are just the patriarchy conspiracy"

True, they did do that in the 1930s, when women weren't liberated. I'm sure now they can do it, right?

Blogger hank.jim May 13, 2015 11:55 AM  

"Just stop whining and go do something. Because all your whining does is say "SOMEONE FIX THIS FOR ME!" which is the most unmanly thing you can possibly say."

If you don't care, neither do they. I don't think they care about what you consider to be manly. The whining continues as whats good for feminism is good for the opposition. It's mutual destruction.

Whining is cathartic for some people. That alone is what makes it worthwhile. What you might consider whining might not be true for those that just tell their own stories without apology.

Shutting up is not an option.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 13, 2015 11:56 AM  

If record numbers of women are living alone, then are not record numbers of men also living alone?

This is awkward. Some of us went for the fairer sex.

Nate- If you refuse to marry a very good woman.... over these reasons...

I have heard tons of women saying about the supposed lack of good men, but do you know the secret hiding place of good women

Either abandon feminism or abandon all hope of being wives and mothers.

They can always show up at a bar near a military base at last call, and get knocked up by someone to drunk to remember who will have money taken out of their pay for 18years. The military used to warn men about that not sure if they still do.

Debtors prison for "deadbeat dads" is only the beginning!

I cant believe that there are men who pay for kids that they know are not theirs.

"Yeah Josh, next she'll be telling us that if women ran the world there would be no wars."

The next war fought with stones. “Without men, civilization would last until the oil needed changing ... " Fred Reed

Anonymous jack May 13, 2015 11:56 AM  

dh:
That gentleman that you wish would work more hours for you. Is it software development, IT maintenance, or just a damn good engineer. Just curious here, not getting into your company business.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2015 11:56 AM  

And that's where the contempt comes from. its because these are posers. Angry bitter little shits that can't get laid... posing as the rejectors... because they are just so hurt by being rejected.

Yep, there's a difference between a Gamma loudly proclaiming he's going his own way and a Delta who'd rather be part of society but can't figure out how to make it work.

The way to be sure which a guy is, is to offer him advice on how to do better with women (i.e. be more Alpha). Deltas will show varying degrees of enthusiasm (ranging from "Holly Shit! Thank you!" to "I dunno, can I really pull that off?"). Gammas will attack you for pointing out they have the power to solve their own problems, thereby bursting their bubble of victimhood.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 11:57 AM  

I have heard tons of women saying about the supposed lack of good men, but do you know the secret hiding place of good women

Reformed University Fellowship at southern colleges.

Also Camp Desoto and similar camps.

Anonymous Minion #0172 May 13, 2015 11:57 AM  

"Mind you the man is useless but the funny part is that it was his progressive feminist BS that drove his wife away. She explicitly had gotten tired of it. He wouldn't listen. He still won't."

I would bet even money this is Scalzi's future. 5 to 1 if his writing career dies.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 13, 2015 11:58 AM  

A significant minority of white women are going to live in a horrific future a third world future with no protection. And to the girl troll I don't care about you or your problems I am as they totally in different to you or your war on women shtick

Anonymous Giuseppe May 13, 2015 11:58 AM  

Hank.Jim,
Like what? A marriage? The whining continues because there is nothing to build and what was built was torn down.

Dude, seriously. Get a fucking Grip! I'm on my second divirce, my kid has been stolen from me and it wrecks my brain she is being raised by a liar and an egomaniac for now. And yes, a crap load of time, energy and money is used up to get her back (daughter, not wife). And eventually I will and will spend more time energy and money healing whatever damage is done in between (to her, for me...fuck it...it's just scar tissue).

Yet I am still so busy doing shit and pushing and working and building I have to schedule when I take a crap. The point is DO something! Build something, create, hunt, fight, conquer. In short: live!
No need to be a turbo-charged trainwreck in your choice of women like me, but screw it man, be a man! Fuck, fight, marry, work, soldier, protect, build.

That's what Nate means. And he's right. (he may have differung values of "DO something" from me but hey. Good on him for getting his marriage right. I think I gravitate more toward the Gibbs from NCIS model of relationship)

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2015 12:02 PM  

Just stop whining and go do something. Because all your whining does is say "SOMEONE FIX THIS FOR ME!" which is the most unmanly thing you can possibly say.

Preach it!

Blogger Danby May 13, 2015 12:03 PM  

"We have successfully moved (False) to a point where the sexes are of equal importance (False), equal talent (False), equal productivity (Double Extra Plus False) and are equally responsible for our destiny. (False)

That's pretty good. Five lies in one sentence.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 12:03 PM  

"If you don't care, neither do they. I don't think they care about what you consider to be manly."

And yet they are crying for me to save them.

Save yourself. I'm busy.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2015 12:04 PM  

"for me...fuck it...it's just scar tissue"

See that?

That's what a man looks like. If you have some different idea of what a man looks like... or what manly is... You're wrong. And you're a pussy.

Anonymous David-093 May 13, 2015 12:04 PM  

"A significant minority of white women are going to live in a horrific future a third world future with no protection."

They won't, because they won't survive at all. The idea that women can survive without men is hilarious in the extreme, and millions of them have done their best to antagonize men for the flimsiest of reasons. They'll be lucky if the choice is the brothel or the burqa.

Blogger Danby May 13, 2015 12:05 PM  

Feminism is an elaborate conspiracy theory that allows unhappy and often mentally ill women to blame their unhappiness on men. It also allow the feminist to feel good about wallowing in hate, like a pig in heat, wallowing in her mire.

Blogger Chris Ritchie May 13, 2015 12:06 PM  

Saw a colleague at a conference. Hadn't seen her in 3 years. Very first words out of her mouth. "Still single, not looking anymore." while rolling the eyes. She's in her early 50's.

Didn't get to anything work related until after that was out of the way. Yes. Those women have dug their own graves. Pity.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 13, 2015 12:07 PM  

The truth is I can understand the attraction of MGTOW. Not that it was ever an option for me of course. I am far too mind bogglingly sexually attractive to women for that to be even a remote possibility.

But I suppose I get it.

Here is the thing. MGTOW potentials have always been with us. Prior to a hundred and some odd years ago, it didn't matter because we didn't have Assortive Mating. All marriages were pretty much arranged for the upper and middle classes. The lower classes tended towards informal domestic arrangements, temporary if you were a young single female. Permanent if you were a slightly older female with a kid or two and your parents wanted you out of the hovel they living in.

Even fifty years ago it didn't matter because women would help potential MGTOWs get over the social hurdles they were born with. Mostly because women had to have a man, even if they didn't want one.

Today the MGTOW has been cuckholded by the federal government. The women weren't that interested in him to begin with. Now don't need him for resources at all because those resources will be extracted from him by the government. So why make an effort?

It's sad but I understand it.

When the Fall comes women will need men again. This situation is as temporary as it is completely unsupportable.

Blogger natschuster May 13, 2015 12:08 PM  

Father used to teach their sons to respect women. Fathers used to teach their sons that the worse thing a boy can do is hit a girl. Feminists told men to stop doing that. Now, feminists are trying to deal with the consequences, all that violence against women, rape, sexual harassment, etc. without accepting any responsibility for causing it. I think that feminists are just bad, anti-social people, who just want to cause harm. they only reason they are not out committing violent crimes is because they lack any sort of courage. They do tend to be sensitive souls.

I don't understand why feminists don't seem to have a problem with the horrific treatment of women in Muslim countries, or the infanticide of girls in Asia. Unless, it was never about heloing women live better lives, but merely causing maximum harm.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 12:09 PM  

Feminism is an elaborate conspiracy theory that allows unhappy and often mentally ill women to blame their unhappiness on men. It also allow the feminist to feel good about wallowing in hate, like a pig in heat, wallowing in her mire.

Also works like this:

MGTOW is an elaborate conspiracy theory that allows unhappy and often mentally ill men to blame their unhappiness on women. It also allows the MGTOWist to feel good about wallowing in hate, like a pig in heat, wallowing in his mire.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2015 12:09 PM  

Feminism is an elaborate conspiracy theory that allows unhappy and often mentally ill women to blame their unhappiness on men. It also allow the feminist to feel good about wallowing in hate, like a pig in heat, wallowing in her mire.

Also works like this:

MGTOW is an elaborate conspiracy theory that allows unhappy and often mentally ill men to blame their unhappiness on women. It also allows the MGTOWist to feel good about wallowing in hate, like a pig in heat, wallowing in his mire.

Blogger hank.jim May 13, 2015 12:11 PM  

@Giuseppe. "Dude, seriously. Get a fucking Grip! I'm on my second divirce, my kid has been stolen from me and it wrecks my brain she is being raised by a liar and an egomaniac for now."

I read this. Yes, you're whining. I'm tired of your whining. Build something. Okay, feel better?

Blogger Iowahine May 13, 2015 12:12 PM  

CM and Bob,

Thanks for responding. (I'm scrubbing floors and cleaning out fridge, so haven't had time to read in detail and may have missed other responses.)

CM, I was addressing men who are enjoying an uncommitted sex life; that the men here would "preselect" abort-minded women was not my auto-default. I'm truly interested in understanding how men deal with this possibility, and Bob, I get it - men can use condoms and have vasectomies. However, I suspect many are not and are still engaging in risky behavior by not actively taking preventive measures. So far, no one else has addressed my question (again, forgive me if I missed other responses in skimming through). LBF certainly is busy and successful "out there;" I was addressing my question to those men, more or less. And, as mentioned, I have a son. I advised him (when he was more likely to listen to me) to wait until marriage to have sex, but if he did have sex, to ALWAYS take responsibility for the birth control by using a condom. Even that, of course, is not fool proof, so was really asking an earnest question from a practical POV.

Blogger Noah B #120 May 13, 2015 12:13 PM  

The world hasn't been an idyllic place since Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden. Feminism is a blight on the west, but it is no more sustainable than communism was and will eventually collapse under the weight of its own inherent contradictions. This is happening already.

The fact that men are threatened by a totalitarian regime doing feminists' dirty work is no justification for withdrawing from life and not even trying to raise a family. Because doing that is giving the dirty bastards exactly what they want.

Blogger Chiva May 13, 2015 12:14 PM  

"Those of you who try to deny this on any grounds can get out of the way or run over and dismissed."

Oh no.....I may be dismissed?

I. Don't. Care.

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