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Thursday, May 28, 2015

There is no solution

It has largely ceased to be funny to see the demography ostriches burying their heads in the sand about the total failure of Melting Pot America, even as it rapidly disappears like a timer that's been turned over.
YANKEE: VD thinks non westerners are too Dunb to maintain a Republic like the U.S. When they are a majority."

DAVID: And non-Westerners continue to steadfastly prove him right. Look, it's really just this simple: if they were capable of doing so they would have done so in their own countries. They have not, ergo, they can't.

YANKEE: "Fine! What's the solution, VD? Furthermore, what's your solution to America housing all these blacks that you also believe Are incapable of maintaining the U.S,?"
There is no solution. There is no shiny secular science fiction "It's a Small World" societies in the making. There are only the inevitable historical consequences of the demographic destruction of Anglo-Saxon America, which will likely follow one of the usual paths: a) subjection and eventual elimination of minorities, b) subjection and eventual elimination of the majority, c) partition, d) ethnic subsumption. For various reasons, I expect (c) to be the most likely in the USA and (a) to be the most likely in Europe.

Before you stick your head back in the sand, keep in mind that I am a Native American, an American Indian. Some of my relatives live on a small reservation of worthless land their conquerors have permitted them to keep, with a handful of people who know how to speak a language that is now almost entirely extinct. So, don't tell me that the survival of your people, of your traditions, or of your way of life is a given. Because I can assure you, they most certainly are not.

The future belongs to those who show up for it. The future belongs to those who are determined to survive and are willing to defend their culture, their language, their genetics, and their traditions. Those who aren't, won't.

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Blogger Joshua Dyal May 28, 2015 8:11 AM  

There is a solution, although no one will have the political stomach for it. It was even tried half-heartedly just prior to the War of Northern Aggression. Time to dust that plan off again and try it for keeps.

Blogger JACIII May 28, 2015 8:25 AM  

Taking on the melting pot is like taking on the moon landing. Cue baby boomer headspinning in 3,2,1......

Blogger Salt May 28, 2015 8:26 AM  

It's not called Western Civilization for nothing. It's sad how so many incorporate into that term the peoples of sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle-East, Asia, etc. Like we're all one big happy peoples. "We are the World."

No, we're not.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 28, 2015 8:32 AM  

I agree that in the United States 'c' will be the eventual result. However, given the manner in which different cultures and ethnicities are spread through the U.S. there will be significant occurrences of 'a' and 'b' as well.

As a Southerner, I am concerned about the fate of African Americans. Their only real home is the American South; Africa certainly doesn't want them. I just don't know, given the damage the Welfare State has done to them, if they will be able to adapt to the new reality.

An independent South will not be able to support them in the manner to which they have grown too accustomed. European Southerners will have to use option 'a', followed hopefully by option 'd'. I believe it is the African American's only hope.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 28, 2015 8:36 AM  

In some cases I don't think it is a matter of insufficient intelligence. Some minority groups will not maintain a republic because they do not value a republican form of governance.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes May 28, 2015 8:37 AM  

These are not difficult concepts to grasp. It's rather elementary, actually, to observe that some population groups have been and are far, far more successful than others along nearly every measurable datapoint. And to also observe that no amount of outside assistance has helped these societies improve their lot. Giving a third world country iPhones does not make them a modern civilized nation. The west will have much to atone for.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 28, 2015 8:37 AM  

1. The old Narrative (equalitarian, we-are-the-world-ism) is clearly waning. We know this because facts that were completely embargoed as recently as a few years ago are now percolating into debate, e.g., racial disparities in mean IQ and commission rates of violent crime.
2. Social mood peaked in a mania 15 years ago. The EU experiment is demonstrably fraying and with the sole exception of Wall Street and the appetite for new IOU's (bonds), economic data in the USA also reflects decline.
3. Large degree social mood downtrends yield a desire in the herd for participation in violence and warfare. Despite well-documented horrors on the battlefield and having no dog in the fight over slavery (and probably not much consideration of the then Deep State's real issue, tariffs), Illinois' citizens volunteered in large numbers for the Union Army, so great was the urge to rip into others even at great personal risk.

The new Narrative will seize on previously embargoed fact, mix in some majoritarian rage at the last 40 years of closet "reparations" (e.g., affirmative action, racial set-asides, open-border immigration, etc.) and yield a target-rich environment of scapegoats for the economic hardships delivered by the collapse in the value of an ocean of outstanding IOU's.

Imagine how Europe looked to people in 1910, and how different it looked in 1917 to those not starved or blown to bits.

Anonymous Tom May 28, 2015 8:41 AM  

This is one of the scenes in "Victoria" that I absolutely loved. It was when Maine took in the Coptic Christians from Egypt instead of the other group that was trying to be foisted on them.

That's what I wish would happen. A joining of Christians into an explicitly Christian nation with actual Christian standards and expectations.

Vox, I know you published "Victoria," but that doesn't mean that you agree with it. Do you think that Christian groups from different racial and ethnic backgrounds could form cohesive states or areas?

Blogger Chris Mallory May 28, 2015 8:41 AM  

"As a Southerner, I am concerned about the fate of African Americans. Their only real home is the American South;"

For those that moved north, let the Yankees keep them.

The Yankee preaches diversity and equal rights. Let them sleep in the bed they have made. Of course expecting a Yankee to be any thing other than a lying hypocrite is asking the impossible.

Anonymous paradox May 28, 2015 8:42 AM  

You would have to bait them. Print them deflated federal reserve cash, on condition they move to Liberia.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 28, 2015 8:44 AM  

"Do you think that Christian groups from different racial and ethnic backgrounds could form cohesive states or areas?"

It has worked so well in Northern Ireland, if you consider the pagan Whore of Babylon to be "christian".

Blogger Dexter May 28, 2015 8:47 AM  

VD thinks non westerners are too Dunb to maintain a Republic like the U.S. When they are a majority.

The spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors are especially hilarious when one considers that the intent is to assert that "we're not stupid."

We can't even use the language properly - and proper use of language is an essential part of civilization - but we can too maintain a civilization, so there!

/Facepalm

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 28, 2015 8:48 AM  

As a Southerner, I am concerned about the fate of African Americans. Their only real home is the American South; Africa certainly doesn't want them. I just don't know, given the damage the Welfare State has done to them, if they will be able to adapt to the new reality.

They can adapt. Anyone can adapt. They just need sufficient motivation, which while the welfare state exists, they will never have. That said; what is "Africa"? I bet Amero-Liberians wouldn't have a problem with them. They ruled Liberia despite their relatively small numbers until the Second Liberian Civil War about 10-15 years ago. Sure, they'd have to fight to reestablish their political dominance, but that would also be excellent shock therapy to cure them of the damage done to them via the welfare state.

An independent South will not be able to support them in the manner to which they have grown too accustomed. European Southerners will have to use option 'a', followed hopefully by option 'd'. I believe it is the African American's only hope.

I know some excellent black families who have basically adopted option D already and more or less completely abandoning American black culture, with the exception of a handful of superficial cues. I doubt most American blacks will be interested in doing this, but some might. Personally, I'd be hesitantly willing, were I in charge of this whole mess, to allow those who wanted to subsume into Anglo-American cultural norms to have a go at it.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 28, 2015 8:50 AM  

Tom,

With respect, history teaches us that Christians are quite capable of slaughtering one another with great enthusiasm. As a Roman Catholic, I would say that it is best if only one Christian tradition was dominant in a society as they would then have the luxury of being able to view Christians of other traditions charitably.

Given some of the yahoos in my denomination, I would prefer the American South be dominated by my Evangelical Brothers and Sisters.

Blogger VD May 28, 2015 8:51 AM  

Do you think that Christian groups from different racial and ethnic backgrounds could form cohesive states or areas?

No, although I expect they'd be more peaceful than the norm. Even "the Troubles" in Ireland have been exceptionally civilized by world standards.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 8:53 AM  

Standard leftist "debate" tactic: if you don't have a perfect solution to the mess we've created, you aren't allowed to object to it or even point it out.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey May 28, 2015 8:54 AM  

Race war.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey May 28, 2015 8:59 AM  

Will White Christians be strong enough to take the necessary actions against black terrorists and hispanic insurgents who also happen to be Christian?

This is going to be interesting. I suspect there are plenty of traitors in White ranks.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 9:07 AM  

Where did these comments come from? To the earlier post or file770 or...???

Anonymous Homesteader May 28, 2015 9:08 AM  

The Jefferson free state project is waxing in Northern Ca. A harbinger of things to come.

It won't happen anytime soon, but it will happen.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 28, 2015 9:10 AM  

Laguna Beach Fogey,

As a Scot-Irish Southerner, I assure you we are quite capable going 'Iron Age' on someone's ass if required.

After all my distant ancestors use to paint themselves blue and charge Roman Legions butt nekkid. The 'Rebel Yell' is a lingering artifact of those days.

Frankly, we look forward to a good fight.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 28, 2015 9:17 AM  

I always love the predictable pattern:

Leftist: We implemented our plan, but we should have done it harder, faster, longer, bigger.

Critic: Your plan failed and things are more broken.

Leftist: Yeah, so - how are YOU going to fix it? What are you going to do to fix the damage my plan caused?

Critic: Well, I would first stop digging, but I'm not sure how quickly we can fix all your damage.

Leftist: See! See! See! You have no plan! See! See! At least I have a plan! Bigger! Faster! Longer! More Money! Let's Do It Again!

Traditional American Media: Reactionary critics, racists, homophobes, anti-woman bigots all, again produced no plan to address the problems everyone acknowledges the country faces.

Blogger Bro. Longtail May 28, 2015 9:18 AM  

I am 36 years old, white Caucasian male. I am a rather isolated Roman Catholic living amid a society of secular liberal contemporaries. I like a drink as much as the next guy, but what I observe is a generation of libertines and careerists that care nothing for the destruction of civilisation because they don't believe in God. They are content to either party their life away or make as much money as possible. Damn what happens next, because they think that it'll happen after they're worm's meat. And few of them are having children. Ironically, they are susceptible to liberal cause de jours, especially the existential 'threat' from so-called climate change. Because they lack any moral rudder other than what serves their own best interests, they are swift to conform with whatever human rights issue they're told to believe in. It makes them feel like a good person and makes sure their personal interests are never threatened by separating themselves from the herd. They are men without chests and actually rather proud of it. Shows like Game of Thrones, Walking Dead and Breaking Bad actually bander to the fantasy versions of themselves that they see when they look in the mirror. Bad-ass nihilist survivors that do not conform to any rules…except that they all watch the same tv, believe the same things and live their lives in total conformity to what the cultural zeitgeist tells them.

Anonymous rienzi May 28, 2015 9:23 AM  

Who runs the electrical grid, the water supply, the sewage systems, the phone system, such as they exist, in these benighted third world countries?

When my parents lived in Papua New Guinea, all of these things were pretty much taken care of by Australians. Even in an advanced country like Argentina, the electricity can be a little sketchy.

I've often wondered who keeps these things going in places like Haiti or Zimbabwe? Contract workers from the first world? UN missions? Without the help of outsiders would they slip right back to the stone age?

Are black folks even capable of running an advanced, industrial society on their own?

Blogger Salt May 28, 2015 9:23 AM  

As a Scot-Irish Southerner, ... Frankly, we look forward to a good fight.

As a former Yankee, and being also of Scot-Irish ancestry, going full Sherman if necessary is not out of the question.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) May 28, 2015 9:25 AM  

Nate Winchester - from the post "America's Ethnic Achilles Heel".....a couple of posts below.

Anonymous dh May 28, 2015 9:28 AM  

The problem is that the "enemies" of civilization aren't even willing to procreate one generation, let alone worry about successive generations.

I think that we are right at the tipping point of something happening significant in this regard.

You take a look at a flawed family like the Duggars, that 1st generation of parents will produce more offspring than everyone of Lena Dunham's circle of girls. And even if 3/4 of them go full SJW, they'll still be ahead.

Blogger James Dixon May 28, 2015 9:28 AM  

> As a former Yankee, and being also of Scot-Irish ancestry, going full Sherman if necessary is not out of the question.

We learn from our mistakes. There will be no gentlemen's ware this time.

Blogger Tallawampus May 28, 2015 9:32 AM  

A question for the Southrons:

Do those of us living in western States - the Dakota's, Montana, Wyoming - count as Yankees? We're definitely not south but we didn't field regiments in The War of Northern Aggression.

To me Yankee is synonymous with Easterner and I'd hate to be lumped in with those people.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 9:34 AM  

The problem with socialist immigration schemes is that you eventually run out of other people's neighborhoods

...then you have to choose:

a) subjection and eventual elimination of minorities, b) subjection and eventual elimination of the majority, c) partition, d) ethnic subsumption

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum May 28, 2015 9:35 AM  

It has worked so well in Northern Ireland, if you consider the pagan Whore of Babylon to be "christian".

If I'm going to be insulted, at least that's a grandiose way of being insulted. Better than being called "an idiot".

I used to be just like you. I've since come to my senses and, like St. Paul of Tarsus, and Blessed Cardinal Newman, I've converted to Catholicism because it is The Truth. It is the only Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Every other man-made denomination out there is just a cheap imitation of it.

Do you think that Christian groups from different racial and ethnic backgrounds could form cohesive states or areas?

Yes. As long as they are devote Christians, I can work with them.

It also helps a lot if you take them time to learn their language and get to know them on their terms. Things go much smoother as the chances of miscommunications approach zero.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 9:37 AM  

Do those of us living in western States - the Dakota's, Montana, Wyoming - count as Yankees?

You have much more in common with southrons than you do with yankees, so I'd expect a friendly alliance.

Blogger Random May 28, 2015 9:39 AM  

What Credo said.

Anonymous Porky May 28, 2015 9:41 AM  

You take a look at a flawed family like the Duggars, that 1st generation of parents will produce more offspring than everyone of Lena Dunham's circle of girls. And even if 3/4 of them go full SJW, they'll still be ahead.

I think you're right, dh. SJW is a problem that fixes itself.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 28, 2015 9:41 AM  

"Do those of us living in western States - the Dakota's, Montana, Wyoming - count as Yankees?"

I don't consider you Yankees. Most Yankees live north of the Ohio River and east of the Mississippi.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 28, 2015 9:44 AM  

"I used to be just like you."

No, because I am a Christian. You are a pagan. You worship Mary and ancestors, not the risen Saviour.

Blogger Random May 28, 2015 9:45 AM  

Wow, CM, that was quick!

Blogger wrf3 May 28, 2015 9:48 AM  

Salt wrote: ... going full Sherman if necessary is not out of the question.

Beat us once, shame on you.
Beat us twice, shame on us.

I still wish some damn Yankee would explain how forced political union is any less evil than forced economic union.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 9:50 AM  

No, because I am a Christian. You are a pagan. You worship Mary and ancestors, not the risen Saviour.

Let it go. No point in derailing the thread with RC vs Protestant infighting. You'll only encourage "rome or die" and the moldbuggers.

Blogger t.c. May 28, 2015 9:55 AM  

Tom - "That's what I wish would happen. A joining of Christians into an explicitly Christian nation with actual Christian standards and expectations."

Where do non-Christians like myself who already live here fit into this new nation of yours? Just curious.

Blogger wrf3 May 28, 2015 10:00 AM  

Tom wrote: A joining of Christians into an explicitly Christian nation with actual Christian standards and expectations.

And just what might those standards and expectations be? Freedom of speech? Freedom of worship (including not worshipping)? Mandatory use of seat belts? No alcohol sales on Sunday?

t.c. asked: Where do non-Christians like myself who already live here fit into this new nation of yours?

That's a good question. Will you love your neighbor and your enemies as yourself? If not, what would you want us to do with you?

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 10:07 AM  

Who runs the electrical grid, the water supply, the sewage systems, the phone system, such as they exist, in these benighted third world countries?

I've wondered that too. I assume that if not for European colonization and charity, sub-Saharan Africa wouldn't have any airports. But would it have hospitals? Elevators? Paved roads? Indoor plumbing?

And now that it does have those things, who maintains them? If a 100-yard bridge that was built by colonists over a stream in the Congo needs to be replaced, are there now local concrete companies, architects, and builders to do it, or is it done by NGOs or foreign companies with foreign aid money? (Or do they just go back to driving through the water?) I have no idea, and obviously you can't count on a straight answer from people who are invested over there.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 10:07 AM  

Thanks, Lulabelle (68)

The future belongs to those who show up for it. The future belongs to those who are determined to survive and are willing to defend their culture, their language, their genetics, and their traditions. Those who aren't, won't.

The catch? What he said:

I like a drink as much as the next guy, but what I observe is a generation of libertines and careerists that care nothing for the destruction of civilisation because they don't believe in God. They are content to either party their life away or make as much money as possible. Damn what happens next, because they think that it'll happen after they're worm's meat.

The simple fact is, few believe there's anything worth fighting over. "Why bother with the future?" "Who cares about the nation?" "It'll all be more of the same, still screwed up, etc etc" I'm not exaggerating, I've talked with several leftists on the internet and when I pointed out the logic of many of their positions would lead to extinction, the reply is almost always, "so?" And it's not just the atheist/agnostic sort. Some christians I've run across ask "why bother." (if not end up arguing that concern over preservation or the culture is a form of idolatry) Sometimes I think that's Vox's real mistake on some of these posts, because there's no answer to the question of "why." Why show up for the future? Why fight for civilization at all?

The last few generations of children have been raised in a world constantly preaching about the sins of their nation, their civilization. Is it any wonder they don't care about fighting for any of it any more?

(heck I sometimes wonder if obesity might have anything to do with a culture-wide loss of motivation now that "we're all just meat machines" is the dominant philosophy - but I'm still working on the theory)

I used to be just like you. I've since come to my senses and, like St. Paul of Tarsus, and Blessed Cardinal Newman, I've converted to Catholicism because it is The Truth. It is the only Church founded by Jesus Christ.

You misspelled Orthodox there, sonny. ;)

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey May 28, 2015 10:12 AM  

None of this "North vs South" nonsense this time.

Anonymous Porky May 28, 2015 10:12 AM  

Sometimes I think that's Vox's real mistake on some of these posts, because there's no answer to the question of "why." Why show up for the future? Why fight for civilization at all?

I've often wondered the same thing. Apparently it has something to do with flush toilets and techno music.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey May 28, 2015 10:14 AM  

Why show up for the future? Why fight for civilization at all?

Honour, glory, and immortality.

Anonymous anon1 May 28, 2015 10:14 AM  

No point in derailing the thread with RC vs Protestant infighting. You'll only encourage "rome or die" and the moldbuggers.

Or John C. Wright.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 28, 2015 10:16 AM  

I have asserted that people from different Christian traditions may be unable to get along in a single society.

Chris Mallory is exhibit A. I'm sure some of my fellow Catholics, at least those itching for a replay of the European Wars of Religion, will be along presently to exhibit themselves.

Blogger JAY WILL May 28, 2015 10:19 AM  

This should be scary stuff. I think people are too accustomed to their relatively safe lives, and while they can sense that there is something going on, and its probably not very good, they continue pottering along as normal. Also, laws put you off. For example, joining any group that suggests "white nationalism" will likely get you in trouble.

I think its going to kick off when banking collapses/credit bubbles bursting result in the average man losing life savings or at least significant proportions of what he thinks he owns, will own. Once it becomes clear that he doesn't he will be politicised over night. Perhaps an underestimated reason for the banking bailouts. To stop revolt. When they brought the poll tax in years ago they about faced pretty sharpish when it was clear how many people refused to pay and were willing to be jailed. Politicans lie and say, your pensions are fine. They aren't, they are utterly reliant on other factors. Your pensions aren't guaranteed, although countries promise that your savings are safe, if country goes "bust" then you lose it all. I lose all my savings, I become an enemy of the state over night.

Theres little doubt that the new UK surveillance state to be brought in (to save the children from porn apparently) is less to do with Islamic terrorism and more to do with majority population control. How many of their investigations are involving white nationalist type groups? Also, will be used to fully enforce taxation of the peasant classes who will no doubt look to bail on a lot of it and go black market.

How much fear is there amongst "Western" leaders now? I wonder if nuclear bunkers and related post-breakdown measures are being sought as we speak.

Blogger bw May 28, 2015 10:23 AM  

in Western Marxist, multiracial societies, whites are the wimps. Every other race asserts itself, lobbies, agitates, makes demands, and is given quotas, preferences, and privileges. Only whites cringe, defer, and grovel. It is natural to feel contempt for people who are so ashamed of their ancestors and of their own existence.
But what needs explaining is why whites put up with it, even excuse it.
They are behaviorally trained in their white ethnomasochism and self mongrelization and genocide.
And of course, the politicians and those whom they appoint know damn well from whence the money flows and whom they serve.


The dissolution of white Identity and any ideas of Nationalism through multiculturalism and cultural marxism is the aim.
White Guilt is the mechanism and Whites had better determine if they will accept the label as being the only race with agency, and had better determine at the same time exactly who it is that is, and has been, running the agenda in the 20th and now into the 21st Cent, and who have aided and abetted them.
The why is easy to see, once you see the who.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 28, 2015 10:28 AM  

One other thing that must be remembered is that 'White' in America is not a single culture. Southern Whites are very different from New England Whites, who by the way generally dislike New Yorkers. Texas Whites, in which I include a lot of 'Old Texas' Hispanics are pretty much different from everybody else.

When the Federal Gravy Train stops, we just aren't going to be able to stay together.

So, Viva Aztlan!

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 28, 2015 10:28 AM  

@ Tom - Do you think that Christian groups from different racial and ethnic backgrounds could form cohesive states or areas?

I think they could. But note that this would involve the ethnic subsumption that VD was talking about.

Blogger Josh May 28, 2015 10:29 AM  

One other thing that must be remembered is that 'White' in America is not a single culture. Southern Whites are very different from New England Whites, who by the way generally dislike New Yorkers. Texas Whites, in which I include a lot of 'Old Texas' Hispanics are pretty much different from everybody else.

Preach

Anonymous p-dawg May 28, 2015 10:29 AM  

@JAY WILL: Link Link2 Link3

Are the Feds stockpiling? I'd say that's a yes.

Anonymous RedJack #22 May 28, 2015 10:31 AM  

Tallawampus,
The West, and the border lands, are different. I didn't believe till I traveled a bit more, but growing up in the West gave me a worldview that is not Yankee, not Southern, and sure as heck not Texan.

We can at least understand and deal with the latter two.

Blogger JACIII May 28, 2015 10:31 AM  

if they were capable of doing so they would have done so in their own countries.

Ann Coulter made this same point to Jorge Ramos the other day. Ramos evidently subscribes to the geographic theory of economic activity.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes May 28, 2015 10:32 AM  

For those who are Christians that believe we are nearing the end times, how do you reconcile the desire to fight for the traditional values of western civilization with the understanding that the impending disintegration is necessary for the biblical plan to unfold?

Anonymous Porky May 28, 2015 10:33 AM  

Where do non-Christians like myself who already live here fit into this new nation of yours?

You don't.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 10:34 AM  

Ramos evidently subscribes to the geographic theory of economic activity.

Which usually boils down to another version of "the right people weren't in charge".

Blogger t.c. May 28, 2015 10:37 AM  

Porky - "You don't."

Do you want to clarify at all, elaborate? I'm being serious, generally curious. In the hypothetical situation of turning our nation into an official Christian nation, what do you propose done with someone such as myself, a politically moderate atheist. Please, explain. Also, if it involves forcing me out, can you find some direct quote or message from Christ that would support that decision? Thanks.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 28, 2015 10:39 AM  

Taking on the melting pot is like taking on the moon landing.

You realize if the dollar doesn't die that official history will be the moon landing was a hoax because NASA with affirmative action hires dragging it down failed to get into orbit twice last year.

The Jefferson free state project is waxing in Northern Ca. A harbinger of things to come.

Even Silicon valley proposed a 6 state solution for CA but in theirs no one would be stuck with CA debt. On of the big problems with CA is all the illegals counted on the census gives them an extra 20+ fake electoral votes. Enough o cancel out the citizens of the northwest redoubt.

You'll only encourage "rome or die" and the moldbuggers. I was confused until I looked it up I had only seen his gold bug stuff.

Who runs the electrical grid, the water supply, the sewage systems, the phone system, such as they exist,

There is a book "Shaking Hands With the Devil" written by a former aid worker that sheds light on many of the confusing things involving the 3rd world. Every 3rd world cesspool has a 5 star hotel with hookers for top aid workers to spend money in. She states that 90% of money doesn't make it to Africa, on top of that 90% of the money that makes it to Africa is not spent on charity. One mystery is how kids survived having limbs hacked off as your chances of survival if it happened in a US hospital parking lot are low, turns out a strong tribe puts tourniquets on a weak tribes kids before they cut the limbs off then charge charities money to be able to use/ treat the kids.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 28, 2015 10:41 AM  

Elijah Rhodes,

Regardless of what one believes concerning eschatology, as Christians we have a duty to fight (usually spiritually) to create a world in which our children's children may grow up in the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 28, 2015 10:41 AM  

For those who are Christians that believe we are nearing the end times, how do you reconcile the desire to fight for the traditional values of western civilization with the understanding that the impending disintegration is necessary for the biblical plan to unfold?

1) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
2) God's plan does not require your acquiescence to evil, quite the opposite, in fact
3) Those who seek to hasten the Lord's return by trying to bring about the prophesied conditions (whether through action or inaction) are arrogating unto themselves God's own authority to determine when and how that day shall come about.
4) In the meantime, we can only do the best we can with the tools with which we are provided.
5) Never Surrender.

OpenID artisanaltoadshall May 28, 2015 10:43 AM  

Within an environment which includes an extremely fragile infrastructure that's exacerbated by a very finely-tuned JIT inventory system, I think more emphasis needs to be placed on the question of what happens when "the system" breaks when considering the question.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that policy planners don't understand the simple knee-jerk reaction of Americans to political statements by powerful politicians in favor of gun control. I find it impossible to believe the artificial ammunition shortage (created by open purchase orders issued by DHS and worsened by limits on ammunition importation and the ban on the importation of high-speed automated ammunition manufacturing equipment) was anything but an intentional plan to stimulate the purchase of large amounts of ammunition.

I truly believe the Balkan war is the predictive model WRT the United States, especially given the tendencies of the media to do virtually everything in their power to foment discord along racial lines. It all comes down to food. If the "system" is broken (supply-chain failure) and there's no food in the stores and/or no way to pay for what food might be there, but virtually everyone has access to firearms... what is the predictable result?

While the Balkans can be looked at as predictive, conflict there was more along the lines of ethnic division rather than racial divisions. Wars between different races tend to become racially genocidal, as various conflicts from the indian wars to Vietnam prove. Consider the statement: "The only good ________ is a dead ______." Now, apply that to an environment in which cell phone photos and video can go viral within hours.

Therefore, I'd have to say that another alternative must be added to the possible outcomes:

A racially genocidal civil war, winner take all.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 10:44 AM  

Honour, glory, and immortality.

On that you and I agree.

The problem is that fewer and fewer people understand what those words mean any more... :(

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 10:48 AM  

Do you want to clarify at all, elaborate? I'm being serious, generally curious. In the hypothetical situation of turning our nation into an official Christian nation, what do you propose done with someone such as myself, a politically moderate atheist. Please, explain. Also, if it involves forcing me out, can you find some direct quote or message from Christ that would support that decision? Thanks.

Too bad we can't go back to federalism. Atheists could have CA (or maybe WA) to run as they see fit. Mormons get Utah. Catholics can run say... Illinois as they set fit while the various protestant factions can divvy up the southern states between them. That was the original idea behind the united STATES after all.

Blogger Rabbi B May 28, 2015 10:49 AM  

"VD thinks non westerners are too Dunb to maintain a Republic like the U.S. . . . . if they were capable of doing so they would have done so in their own countries. They have not, ergo, they can't."

VD is right. Many of those coming here harbor a deep-seeded belief that the State and the little "g" of government (in lieu of the big "G" of God) is the solution to all of their problems. They are not coming here to improve or contribute in any real meaningful way to the country, the culture, or Western civilization, but only to see if they can get more of what they are not getting at home, more of what they think they deserve from the almighty State. They are not interested in running anything, but only maximizing their own benefits for the least amount of effort.

The State is more than happy to insert and assert itself in the lives of its citizens, which is inevitable in a world driven by fear and anxiety, a world where G-d has been declared long dead. The problem today is that people have been conditioned to love their servitude. What's not to love? As long as the future is filled with leeks and onions on the river Nile, they'll show up.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 10:50 AM  

There is a book "Shaking Hands With the Devil" written by a former aid worker that sheds light on many of the confusing things involving the 3rd world.

Which one? On Amazon I see:
http://www.amazon.com/Shake-Hands-Devil-Failure-Humanity/dp/0786715103
http://www.amazon.com/Shaking-Hands-Devil-Intersection-Terrorism/dp/0615708897

Neither seems to really match what you describe. =S

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 28, 2015 10:50 AM  

Will White Christians be strong enough to take the necessary actions against black terrorists and hispanic insurgents who also happen to be Christian?

We can begin by observing that not everyone who is called a "Christian" is really a Christian, and act accordingly.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 28, 2015 10:52 AM  

A racially genocidal civil war, winner take all.

When the Serbs tried to kick out the illegal alien drug dealing moslems Clinton bombed the news agencies and hospitals first.
Leftists have been trying to shit 3rd worlders on white areas to prevent large white areas from becoming racial bastions because they are not smart enough to realize that before somoli's got dumped on MN most of the people believed in equality. We have to do something about the dumping of the 3rd world onto welfare, what we pay for them could go toward homeless veterans and grandparents that still work.

Here is a functional liberal city that just so happens to be majority white enough to sustain remnants of civilization and the plan to shit on it with moslems driven out of Malaysia because of their savagery.
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/jewish-refugee-resettlement-agency-lets-bring-rohingya-muslims-to-pittsburgh-to-increase-diversity/

Blogger t.c. May 28, 2015 10:52 AM  

While I agree to an extent Nate (not on your recounting of history, on that I agree completely), but more in modern times - what about someone of a different affiliation who does not agree with the way that their own group wants to run things? What then? Say, an atheist who vehemently disagrees with the way that the atheist group is going to run their territory. Could they be accepted into another group, where they completely follow the laws of the land, even if they disagree in terms of religion?

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 28, 2015 10:54 AM  

What's a Yankee, a damnyankee? Here is Clyde Wilson take:

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/wilson/wilson12.html

Anonymous Porky May 28, 2015 10:56 AM  

Do you want to clarify at all, elaborate?

As VD has pointed out repeatedly, Western Civilization = Christian. As a non-Christian you don't fit in.

That doesn't mean you have to leave. It just means you will have very little power.

Maybe you can run a grilled cheese truck or something.

Blogger hank.jim May 28, 2015 10:56 AM  

Liberals believe in BIG Government and that is their solution. They want to disarm the little people. Force everyone to do as they say. Conservatives and Christians believe in small and localized government. I expect more of the same. Out of control areas like Detroit and Baltimore will come under Federal control. So sad and inevitable.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 28, 2015 10:59 AM  

Nate W.

As a Southern Roman Catholic, we claim Louisiana and Florida, as our part of the Glorious New Confederacy! We will of course accept our responsibility to raise an appropriate number of regiments for the defense of Dixie.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 28, 2015 11:00 AM  

Nate Winchester -I am sorry my mistake. Its "The Crisis Caravan: What's Wrong with Humanitarian Aid? Hardcover – September 14, 2010 by Linda Polman" http://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Caravan-Humanitarian-Hardcover-byLinda/dp/B004SH5EM0/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1432825149&sr=1-2&keywords=The+Crisis+Caravan%3A+What%27s+Wrong+with+Humanitarian+Aid%3F
"Amputee children have been politicized. Recently I had some member of Congress on the phone from Washington demanding I tell him what the fuck was the problem with the visas for a group of amputee children. Pretty remarkable, since those visas hadn’t even been applied for yet. Get the picture?"

Anonymous AlteredFate May 28, 2015 11:01 AM  

@Chris Mallory

I made a similar statement here before regarding the Whore of Babylon and Catholicism...was then jokingly accused of having had Absinthe with my breakfast. The problem Catholics face is that the history of their church, from the recent to the ancient, is littered with examples of why they are in no way the organization of Jesus Christ. We know them by their deeds, and their deeds are vile.

Anonymous Grinder May 28, 2015 11:06 AM  

What bw said at 10:23. There is a solution but Vox cannot accept it, good zionist that he is. Survival of the white race trumps all else and I reserve judgement on theright of Jews to a homeland depending on whether their nationhood threatens our survival.

Blogger Chester Lyman May 28, 2015 11:08 AM  

Protestants vs Catholics reminds this agnostic of the enmity between Elves and Dwarves.

"‘It was not the fault of the Dwarves that the friendship waned,’ said Gimli.

‘I have not heard that it was the fault of the Elves,’ said Legolas.

‘I have heard both,’ said Gandalf; ‘and I will not give judgement now. But I beg you two, Legolas and Gimli, at least to be friends, and to help me. I need you both. The doors are shut and hidden, and the sooner we find them the better. Night is at hand!’"

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 11:08 AM  

While I agree to an extent Nate (not on your recounting of history, on that I agree completely), but more in modern times - what about someone of a different affiliation who does not agree with the way that their own group wants to run things? What then? Say, an atheist who vehemently disagrees with the way that the atheist group is going to run their territory. Could they be accepted into another group, where they completely follow the laws of the land, even if they disagree in terms of religion?

You talking to me? (hey, we've got several nates around here)

Well that was just an example. Considering that the USA currently consists of 50 states, surely you'd be able to find 1 to your liking. ;)

At any rate, they should be divided up by people's priorities, really. For those who prioritize a religious belief over anything else, they all go in state 1. While those who prioritize a political view over anything else, they can go in state 2. Those who care more about what the whether is like than any other concern, go enjoy state 3.

Of course that's all operating more on the hidden law than any outright (as I don't think a government enforcement of religion will be much more effective than a government enforcement of drug use). If you value certain political values enough, and such and such religious group has formed a state with enough of those values, surely you can fake it enough to get along there. If you find there are no political values worth faking your personal beliefs over, then you'll have to accept that maybe a place you can live honestly isn't going to be that politically acceptable.

All life is a trade off. What we all have to do is figure out what we're willing to pay to get what we really want. This country really went wrong when we forgot that and too many became convinced they could "have it all."

Anonymous ZhukovG May 28, 2015 11:10 AM  

Grinder,

You have claimed that Vox is a 'good Zionist'. Please provide an example to back up this assertion.

I am sure it will be instructive to us all.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 28, 2015 11:10 AM  

To me Yankee is synonymous with Easterner and I'd hate to be lumped in with those people.

I tend to define "Yankee" as anyone hailing from northeast of a line running diagonally from Philadelphia to Buffalo.

Blogger t.c. May 28, 2015 11:10 AM  

"As VD has pointed out repeatedly, Western Civilization = Christian. As a non-Christian you don't fit in."

You do realize that even though much of Western Civilization is founded upon Christian principles, just as much of those principles were based upon Roman/Greek traditions from pre-Christian times. You're looking at things too simplistically. IMO, Western Civilization is more about a set of ideals about our role in society, the role of government, our role as citizens and so on. As I said, many of those ideals are Christian in nature or merge naturally with Christianity, but many of those ideals are, again, based on pre-Christian notions. In fact, many of America's Founding Fathers had very divergent views on Christianity. Some were Biblical adherents to the full, taking its message and stories literally. Others adopted the lessons of the Bible but didn't believe in the actual supernatural miracle of Christ. However; they were all adherents to Western Civilization and its ideals. Can you not see that it is very possible for someone like me to embrace Western Civilization, what it stands for, and still not be Christian?

Blogger Feather Blade May 28, 2015 11:12 AM  

Do those of us living in western States - the Dakota's, Montana, Wyoming - count as Yankees? We're definitely not south but we didn't field regiments in The War of Northern Aggression.

Hell, no, we're not Yankees. That's for the benighted people on the wrong side of the Mississippi.

Blogger t.c. May 28, 2015 11:13 AM  

Although I do like grilled cheese.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 11:14 AM  

As a Southern Roman Catholic, we claim Louisiana and Florida, as our part of the Glorious New Confederacy! We will of course accept our responsibility to raise an appropriate number of regiments for the defense of Dixie.

Fine, but the baptist have to have Georgia and I think the church of christ wants parts of east KY. We're currently determining if you're going to have to subdivide Florida or not. The Jews are happy in New York.

Heh, now I'm imagining a sketch of a bunch of religious leaders all sitting around talking about the US like it was NFL draft day. Man I would pay to see that.

Nate Winchester -I am sorry my mistake. Its "The Crisis Caravan: What's Wrong with Humanitarian Aid? Hardcover – September 14, 2010 by Linda Polman"

Thanks! I was getting very confused trying to find that book. XD

"‘It was not the fault of the Dwarves that the friendship waned,’ said Gimli.

‘I have not heard that it was the fault of the Elves,’ said Legolas.

‘I have heard both,’ said Gandalf; ‘and I will not give judgement now. But I beg you two, Legolas and Gimli, at least to be friends, and to help me. I need you both. The doors are shut and hidden, and the sooner we find them the better. Night is at hand!’"


Well put. This is one thing I might actually agree with the recent Pope on. The enemy doesn't seem to care one near as much about our differences as we do. That should maybe give us some pause.

Anonymous Porky May 28, 2015 11:19 AM  

Can you not see that it is very possible for someone like me to embrace Western Civilization, what it stands for, and still not be Christian?

Yup. And that is exactly why Western Civilization is not worth fighting for.

Christian Civilization, however, is worth dying for.

OpenID genericviews May 28, 2015 11:21 AM  

YANKEE: VD thinks non westerners are too Dunb to maintain a Republic like the U.S. When they are a majority."

Since westerners are giving away their majorities intentionally, once can easily argue that we aren't smart enough to maintain our society either.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 11:23 AM  

Tom wrote: "A joining of Christians into an explicitly Christian nation with actual Christian standards and expectations."

And just what might those standards and expectations be [toward non-Christians]?


The Catholic answer, short version: keep your beliefs to yourself. Long-established Catholic dogma (the "Social Kingship of Christ") is that the state, because it represents the people as a society, should profess and protect the true faith, but not force it on anyone (just as we are to do as individuals). It is obliged to make sure the people are free to practice the true faith, but not obliged to protect their ability to practice other religions, because there is no "right" to error. (This is why American-style "separation of church and state" and "freedom of (any) religion" are not compatible with Catholicism and were condemned by multiple popes. A Catholic can live in such a country and accept it, but he can't consider it the best form of government, because it fails in a major function of the state.) A Catholic confessional state would only give tax breaks to Catholic churches, for instance, and might not allow other religions to build visible houses of worship at all (that's debatable and would depend on circumstances), but individuals would be free to worship as they like in private.

As a practical matter, that means the laws will tend to reflect and encourage Christian beliefs -- blue laws requiring businesses to be closed on Sunday, for instance, would likely come back. Public displays of Christian faith like nativity scenes would be allowed, of course, and public displays of false religions would not. But non-Christians would not be forced to convert and would not be molested as long as they don't try to proselytize for their beliefs. Be respectful to the faith and don't try to chip away at it with exceptions, and you'll be left alone. And if you convert, be sure you're serious about it, because pretending to convert for social advantage and then working to undermine the faith will be strongly frowned upon (that's what the Inquisition was about). Employers would be free to employ only Church members in good standing. So would being a non-believer be a disadvantage at times? Certainly.

And of course people would be free to emigrate. John Derbyshire often points out that there are 50-some majority-Muslim countries out there, so I don't know why a Muslim would wish to live in a Catholic country if he couldn't be respectful toward it. Then there's Israel for the Jews and plenty of countries where atheism is basically the state religion, so everyone has options.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 28, 2015 11:31 AM  

For those who are Christians that believe we are nearing the end times, how do you reconcile the desire to fight for the traditional values of western civilization with the understanding that the impending disintegration is necessary for the biblical plan to unfold?

Keep in mind that "imminent" does not mean "immediate." The rapture may be five minutes from now, or five centuries. In the meantime, we do what's right and fight for what's right.

Anonymous Koppernicus 0298 May 28, 2015 11:32 AM  

@AlteredFate

I mean besides hospitals, schools, music, universities, limited government, human rights, sculpture, painting, and science, what has the Catholic Church ever done for us?

Blogger Rabbi B May 28, 2015 11:36 AM  

" . . . we do what's right and fight for what's right.'

Yes. Will the Son of Man find faith(fulness) on earth when He comes? This is no time to bury what we have been given in a hole somewhere. The Master should expect from us a return on His investment.

Anonymous Porky May 28, 2015 11:38 AM  

I mean besides hospitals, schools, music, universities, limited government, human rights, sculpture, painting, and science, what has the Catholic Church ever done for us?

Reminds me of Mark 16:15

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and build some cool stuff."

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 28, 2015 11:40 AM  

"There is no shiny secular science fiction "It's a Small World" societies in the making."

There ARE no shiny secular... yata-yata-yata.

Either that or change 'societies' into the singular form of the word.

Anonymous Jeigh Di May 28, 2015 11:41 AM  

I see two solutions. The first (and best) would be repentance and a revival on the order of the Great Awakenings. If enough pray for such it will happen. By the way, if you're a Christian reading this, you're elected.
The other is the Man on the White Horse. Who this is I have no idea, but that he's out there ready to saddle up I have no doubt. Highly intelligent, charismatic, and utterly ruthless, every woman in the country (and many men) would gladly vote him into office. After all, in the reign of Genghis Khan a virgin could safely carry a bad of gold the length of asia.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 11:41 AM  

I have asserted that people from different Christian traditions may be unable to get along in a single society.

Yeah, I don't think you could ever have a "Christian" state, because that now means about a thousand different things to different people. As you point out, you'd have a bunch of guys like Chris and Rome or Die running around trolling each other all the time. You'd end up with civil war and one group ending up on top, or American-style increased tolerance for all versions until there's nothing "Christian" left in the state.

So if you're going to have a "Christian" state, it's going to need to be a Catholic state, or an Anglican state, or a Methodist state, or whatever -- something specific enough that there would be more agreement than disagreement on what it means.

Then how non-believers would be treated would depend on which of those we're talking about. Some have existed before so we have examples, but some haven't.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 28, 2015 11:42 AM  

Thanks! I was getting very confused trying to find that book. XD

Of all the places to confuse 2 books you have read this is probably the worse.

how do you reconcile the desire to fight for the traditional values of western civilization with the understanding that the impending disintegration is necessary for the biblical plan to unfold?

In prohibitions against suicide.

Blogger Chester Lyman May 28, 2015 11:43 AM  

No matter which Christian tradition winds up on top, the society will still be run by sinners.

Blogger JACIII May 28, 2015 11:54 AM  

The Master should expect from us a return on His investment.

Usury from on high, Rabbi B?

I can't decide which is more entertaining to have around, you or BigGaySteve.

Anonymous Donn #0114 May 28, 2015 11:54 AM  

Chester - We are all sinners. No getting around it. If we submit ourselves to Christ and do everything in his name for his glory we cannot go wrong.

While I am not and do not advocate 'white knighting' there is a time and place for Paladins and Crusaders. This is one.

Blogger automatth0x3ew May 28, 2015 11:54 AM  

AlteredFate, Koppernicus, et al.

The Catholic/Protestant war is off topic. Further comments will be deleted.

Blogger JACIII May 28, 2015 11:57 AM  

Can we still bash Calvinists?

Blogger Karl May 28, 2015 11:58 AM  

Robert Steele: Homeland Security – The Much Bigger Picture

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2015/05/robert-steele-homeland-security-the-much-bigger-picture/

As I scan the horizon across our homeland, what many of us think of as America the Beautiful, I cannot help but see something different — a troubled, even shocked, dysfunctional government, corrupt industry, the shallowness of our chattering class (academics, media and think tanks) and an apathetic citizenry.

From the perspective of a long-time intelligence professional – a former spy who helped create the Marine Corps Intelligence Center and spent 20 years as a CEO pioneering commercial intelligence – not only do most of the preconditions for revolution exist in America right now, but the federal government seems determined to ignore realities across the board.

Anonymous Quartermaster May 28, 2015 12:05 PM  

“None of this "North vs South" nonsense this time.”

Nope. It will be a real civil war, not a northern war of imperialistic conquest.

“Why fight for civilization at all?”

You fight for your kids and grandkids, and to vindicate your own honor as a man. Lee fought and failed, but I honor him for his courage and for trying to fight off an avaricious foe.

“I have asserted that people from different Christian traditions may be unable to get along in a single society.”

Hopefully we will not see a replay of the 30 Years War. The 30 Years War was a result of an RCC losing power because of the reformation. While there are a few places in Latin America where being protestant can cause you problems, on the whole if each honors the Lord they say they serve, then there will be no problem.

“The West, and the border lands, are different. I didn't believe till I traveled a bit more, but growing up in the West gave me a worldview that is not Yankee, not Southern, and sure as heck not Texan.

We can at least understand and deal with the latter two.”

Being a Milbrat, I’ve lived in the west and in the south (born there as well as well as living there now), that the west and south can get along well. There is not as much of a difference in worldview as you might imagine, and that’s why we can get along.

“For those who are Christians that believe we are nearing the end times, how do you reconcile the desire to fight for the traditional values of western civilization with the understanding that the impending disintegration is necessary for the biblical plan to unfold?”
Christ said “occupy ‘til I come.” We are called to fight for what is right and righteous, and not quit until he comes back.

“Therefore, I'd have to say that another alternative must be added to the possible outcomes:

A racially genocidal civil war, winner take all.”

I’d say this is the most likely outcome given the way US blacks conduct themselves. What they don’t realize is how poorly thug culture prepares them for what they are facing.

“As a Southern Roman Catholic, we claim Louisiana and Florida, as our part of the Glorious New Confederacy! We will of course accept our responsibility to raise an appropriate number of regiments for the defense of Dixie.”

You’ll settle for a reservation in Eastern Wyoming and like it.

“…I reserve judgement (sic) on the right of Jews to a homeland depending on whether their nationhood threatens our survival.”

Methinks you’d do well to consider God’s opinion on that matter first. Sending them all to the Levant would be workable and an advisable move.

“Christian Civilization, however, is worth dying for.”

Indeed!

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 12:08 PM  

"Some minority groups will not maintain a republic because they do not value a republican form of governance."

They don't even value governance, they prefer to be ruled by someone nice to them......

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 28, 2015 12:08 PM  

Therefore, I'd have to say that another alternative must be added to the possible outcomes:

A racially genocidal civil war, winner take all.


Which... is already on the list as the first solution: a.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 28, 2015 12:12 PM  

There is no shiny secular science fiction "It's a Small World" societies in the making

The thing about "It's a Small World" is that while the animatronic dolls of various ethnicities may all be singing the same song, they are signing it while gathered together in their own groups.

Anonymous Dirtnapninja May 28, 2015 12:12 PM  

The Chinese have a saying "The Empire long divided must unite. The Empire long united, must divide".

The Chinese understand the difference between a civilisation and a state. The USA is a state. America is a civilisation (and by America I mean Anglo-America). American civilisation is not entirely encapsulated by the USA..Canada is also part of American Civilisation as well. If American Civilisation can divided into two states, then why not more? You can be an American, and not be part of the USA.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 12:14 PM  

"Do you think that Christian groups from different racial and ethnic backgrounds could form cohesive states or areas?"

As long as it is dominated by the sub-group with the most desire and motivation to maintain civilization. I write this as an Orthodox Christian with up close, personal exposure to Christians from other political and cultural backgrounds. Most of the Russians and Eastern Europeans support an older, more traditional vision of America, the Mediterranean, Middle-Eastern, and Africans not so much....but they are not militant opposition to it either. ymmv.

Blogger automatth0x3ew May 28, 2015 12:15 PM  

JACIII "Can we still bash Calvinists?"

Only when you can see the whites of their eyes.

Blogger Brad Andrews May 28, 2015 12:19 PM  

Elijah,

Jesus said to occupy until He comes (back). He isn't here yet, so that is what we are commanded to do.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 28, 2015 12:21 PM  

Jesus said to occupy until He comes (back).

Someone forgot to tell Dubya that He didn't mean Iraq.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 12:25 PM  

"You misspelled Orthodox there, sonny. ;)"

Come home Nate, the porch light is on and we're waiting up for you.....

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 12:32 PM  

"the understanding that the impending disintegration is necessary for the biblical plan to unfold?"

Most particular descriptions of these "plans" I consider to be dubious BS.......

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 12:36 PM  

"Will White Christians be strong enough to take the necessary actions against black terrorists and hispanic insurgents who also happen to be Christian?"

White Christian soldiers never had a problem with killing other WCS.....why would terrorists or insurgents be treated any different?

Anonymous Jack Amok May 28, 2015 12:41 PM  

I assume that if not for European colonization and charity, sub-Saharan Africa wouldn't have any airports. But would it have hospitals? Elevators? Paved roads? Indoor plumbing?

The answer is no. One of my nieces married a VP at a trendy Millennial company. They preach the requisite "give back" mantra, and he flies to Africa once a year to get his picture taken helping dig or maintain wells while trying not to get in the way of the contractors doing the actual work. The project is decades long, the original plan was to help the natives learn how to dig their own wells, but they never even figured out how to maintain the ones that were dug for them. Indoor plumbing? Hell, the places he goes wouldn't even have outdoor plumbing without outside help. They'd be dragging water ten miles a day from mud-holes.

I know several modestly affluent software folks in the Puget Sound area. Many of their wives do volunteer work in Africa. It's the same story, just different sectors. I don't think there's a single aspect of what we think of as civilization that Africans maintain, let alone build, on their own.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 28, 2015 12:48 PM  

On Drudge today it's mentioned that Baltimore is in anarchy, I say so what I don't care

Anonymous Moses Lambert May 28, 2015 12:48 PM  

Vox: I was just wondering... Which tribe/people is your heritage from? Which reservation?

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 12:50 PM  

Come home Nate, the porch light is on and we're waiting up for you.....

I did come home. That's our porchlight, ya'll the ones who left. ;-P

Blogger Brad Andrews May 28, 2015 12:54 PM  

Cail,

I am not enamored with Blue Laws or even alcohol free zones as I used to be earlier in life.

I am not sure they would rise as much as you might think, but you could be correct.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 12:57 PM  

OT but related: BlackExCopAboutPoliceRacism

Other than over playing the racism aspect, reveals underlying problems with policing large, diverse, urban populations....

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 12:59 PM  

"I did come home. That's our porchlight, ya'll the ones who left. ;-P"

Sorry, confused you with Nate the Methodist Greek, I'm already home.... ;-)

Blogger Nate Winchester May 28, 2015 1:00 PM  

You fight for your kids and grandkids, and to vindicate your own honor as a man. Lee fought and failed, but I honor him for his courage and for trying to fight off an avaricious foe.

Yes, it is with some irony that when I repeat the question so many have asked, Chris Pratt of all people provides the best answer.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 28, 2015 1:00 PM  

"On Drudge today it's mentioned that Baltimore is in anarchy"

Baltimore might be in chaos, but it is not in anarchy. The two are not the same.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 28, 2015 1:07 PM  

I am not enamored with Blue Laws or even alcohol free zones as I used to be earlier in life.

While I was working in a hospital that I had 2 black felons as patients who died from police gunshot wounds in one month, I lived in the nearest nice area that was a place that you couldn't buy/serve booze at. It kept the chains that serve booze with meals out but anyone with a car could go get booze. It kept some bad elements out of its backyard.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 1:16 PM  

They'd be dragging water ten miles a day from mud-holes.

Maybe one reason these do-gooder Americans can't see the difference is that they couldn't maintain their own indoor plumbing either, if they had to in a pinch. I'm reminded of the story where Arthur Dent becomes the Sandwich Maker. He crashes on a primitive planet, and he thinks he'll wow the people by giving them technology, and then he realizes he doesn't know how to create any of it, or even know how it works. But he can make a mean sandwich.

Most modern, white Americans don't know how the clean water comes into their house and the crap gets out, so they don't see why Africans should. The difference is, if all the plumbers were abducted by aliens tomorrow, those white Americans could get some books on plumbing and figure it out and keep the pipes flowing. They could produce more plumbers. It doesn't seem that Africans can.

I suppose nurturists will say that's because they haven't had to, because first the colonizers and then the do-gooders did it for them. In which case it seems like the best thing we can do for them is to stop helping so they can learn and take over.

Anonymous BGS May 28, 2015 1:19 PM  

patrick kelly May 28, 2015 12:57 PM OT but related: BlackExCopAboutPoliceRacismOther than over playing the racism aspect,

Is there some way we can contact that groid to point out that the 12 min of released video and dispatcher radio proves the SC cop was correct & that the taser darts can be seen in the cops chest? I get that the 4 second video shown on lame stream fits the narrative better.

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 28, 2015 1:20 PM  

The thing about "It's a Small World" is that while the animatronic dolls of various ethnicities may all be singing the same song, they are signing it while gathered together in their own groups.

And at least 4/5s of them represent various subdivisions of Western Civilization, with only a relatively small nod to the rest of the world. Although my understanding is that this has been gradually changing over time due to SJW complaints and whatnot.

Anonymous Grinder May 28, 2015 1:28 PM  

Zhukovg I am making sleigh my smart phone right now so its tough to pull up where he said he is a zionist because he is nationalist. I will do so when I get home if necessary. I added good just because he grants the right to a group that hasn't shown a reciprocal courtesy to us.

Blogger Gunnar Thalweg May 28, 2015 1:44 PM  

What is "ethnic subsumption"? I looked up the word in the dictionary, and it didn't help.

Blogger Rabbi B May 28, 2015 1:47 PM  

"What is "ethnic subsumption"?"

sub·sume
səbˈso͞om/
verb
verb: subsume; 3rd person present: subsumes; past tense: subsumed; past participle: subsumed; gerund or present participle: subsuming

include or absorb (something) in something else.
"most of these phenomena can be subsumed under two broad categories"

Anonymous FP May 28, 2015 1:48 PM  

"You can be an American, and not be part of the USA."

There are a lot of latinos, often those from the more European parts of South America who have come to believe they are Americans too because they live in the "Americas".

Ended up in a friendly discussion about it in World of Warcraft of all things earlier this year with a guy from Brazil. The irony being that the Brazilian WoW server in my "battle group" of servers is rather well known as insular types who don't want to speak any English much with non Portuguese speakers. I have a friend who is a Canadian by way of Portugal who gets flack when speaking Portuguese to them.

Anonymous fish May 28, 2015 1:50 PM  

On Drudge today it's mentioned that Baltimore is in anarchy, I say so what I don't care


When is Baltimore not in anarchy?

Blogger VD May 28, 2015 2:02 PM  

I am a Zionist in the nationalist sense. I believe in Israel for the Jews, Germany for the Germans, and England for the English.

I'm not a "Christian Zionist" in the religious sense. I don't believe the geographic location of the Jews is significant with regards to the timing of Jesus Christ's return.

Anonymous fish May 28, 2015 2:11 PM  

Baltimore might be in chaos, but it is not in anarchy. The two are not the same.

Sorry Chris your description is more accurate.


http://www.fredoneverything.net/Ballmer2.shtml

Blogger Nobody May 28, 2015 2:13 PM  

The creation of the united States of America was Gods way of saying to the world, "See? You can't even do that."

He said to occupy. And we couldn't even occupy.

The worst case scenario, if this all goes to crap, is a bunch of serfdom's, diversity if you will, of the meanest MF's on the block who will always be each others throats. And those serfdom's certainly will not be made up of the various religious denominations.

Personally, I think before any of this happens, there will be a World War, so horrific, that most people will get on their knees and beg for a world leader(s). And those same people, at behest of their world leader(s), will turn on you because it is your fault.

Why? Because we always talk defensive, and never go on the offense. 30 plus years of hearing the talk, but never seeing the walk. And what good does all this talk talk talk do, except to leave your hands and feet to be fettered with chains as we talk talk talk. But first, the "it" has to happen. Then we'll show them who is the boss? Then we'll occupy? I am afraid it will get to the point, that nothing else will matter, not freedom, not liberty, but to just survive like animals.

Look. Even here, it is like debating what the meaning of the word "is" is. "...always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth."

Anonymous Laz May 28, 2015 2:48 PM  

"Who runs the electrical grid, the water supply, the sewage systems, the phone system, such as they exist, in these benighted third world countries?"

If you're talking Africa I'd say the Chinese have that covered.

Anonymous BGS May 28, 2015 3:18 PM  

Maybe one reason these do-gooder Americans can't see the difference is that they couldn't maintain their own indoor plumbing either

All the more reason for the left to hate boy scouts teaching self sufficiency.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic May 28, 2015 3:54 PM  

None of this "North vs South" nonsense this time.

I think this is correct. In what's coming, your skin will be your uniform. The Forever War of white vs. white will, perforce, end.

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2015 4:10 PM  

Tallawampus May 28, 2015 9:32 AM
A question for the Southrons:

Do those of us living in western States - the Dakota's, Montana, Wyoming - count as Yankees? We're definitely not south but we didn't field regiments in The War of Northern Aggression.


Nobody alive fielded regiments in the War of Northern Aggression. Nobody alive was a Slave. Both factions of the Civil War wanted to destroy the Federal Union as framed - the Federal/National Overlord faction won, but either way the gift of the founders died as soon as war began.

Yankees, ironically, are Englishmen. When the English took over New York from the Dutch in the 1600's, for a variety of reasons mostly negative the Dutch gave their English neighbors the nickname "John Cheese", which in their language is "Jan Kees", the J pronounced like a Y in Dutch. This became spelled "Yankee" over time. So today you have English Southrons making fun of English "Yankees" who in the next breath will worship at the altar of the Rights of Englishmen. Its a crazy world!

Also don't fall into the trap of group identity. You are a God-created individual (d*mmit). I don't cite rabbit behavior often, but obsessing about classifying all people into groups so they can comfortably make assumptions about you (aka "disqualify") is definitely rabbit behavior. Not to say some group identification isn't beneficial like "Christian" "man", "Veteran"... but "Yankee" is a mud word 99% of the time it's used. Just ignore it.

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2015 4:14 PM  

Chris Mallory May 28, 2015 9:41 AM
Most Yankees live north of the Ohio River and east of the Mississippi


If you added "West of the Appalachians," this would roughly describe the geographic region where the armies that defeated the Confederacy were raised from.

East of the Appalachians provided only fodder, substitution soldiers and US Colored Infantry (the latter being somewhat successful militarily).

Blogger automatth0x3ew May 28, 2015 4:27 PM  

"but "Yankee" is a mud word 99% of the time it's used. Just ignore it."

We can go back to calling them Roundheads. Or Puritards.

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 28, 2015 4:33 PM  

Also don't fall into the trap of group identity. You are a God-created individual (d*mmit). I don't cite rabbit behavior often, but obsessing about classifying all people into groups so they can comfortably make assumptions about you (aka "disqualify") is definitely rabbit behavior. Not to say some group identification isn't beneficial like "Christian" "man", "Veteran"... but "Yankee" is a mud word 99% of the time it's used. Just ignore it.

No, of course not, but just because our choices are more important than our heritage doesn't mean that our heritage isn't important. I've embraced my heritage as the descendant of Border Reivers who originally came to Appalachian Georgia, eventually made their way to Texas, and found themselves sandwiched between two completely implacable enemies. Outnumbered and in many ways outmatched between the Mexican army, even after the defeat of Santa Ana at San Jacinto, the real menace was the Comancheria, the only indian tribe to roll back the white advance. Prior to the development of the six-shooter, they had all of the advantages. Comanche horsemen were described as being able to loose six arrows under the neck of their horse before the first one even hit its target. Consummate horsemen, probably the finest light cavalry in history (or at least tied as such with the Mongols) with a reputation for cruelty based on their practice of raiding, torturing and killing the Texans when they could, this was the crucible in which Texans were forged.

Sure, we've gone soft after generations of relatively easy living since the 1890s when the power of the Comancheria was broken, but our heritage of bellicose "don't tread on me" attitude has generally been unmatched throughout American history. I'm completely comfortable embracing my heritage and identifying myself by it. It's a heritage to be proud of.

Blogger Corvinus May 28, 2015 4:36 PM  

Nobody alive fielded regiments in the War of Northern Aggression. Nobody alive was a Slave. Both factions of the Civil War wanted to destroy the Federal Union as framed - the Federal/National Overlord faction won, but either way the gift of the founders died as soon as war began.

Actually, the South claimed the North was violating Federal law in regards to slavery. It wasn't over states' rights.

That said, though, nowadays, a red state-blue state divide among whites appears far more likely, especially if persecution of Christians who don't approve of fag marriage continues heating up. If that is the case, much of the West would align with the South rather than the North.

So today you have English Southrons making fun of English "Yankees" who in the next breath will worship at the altar of the Rights of Englishmen. Its a crazy world!

@Azimus
Actually, from what I have been able to tell, Southerners are more Scotch-Irish than English. The only one of the Southern states that seems more English is Virginia.

Although granted, most white Southerners simply claim "American" ancestry anyway, so it's difficult to tell for certain. New Englanders and Virginians (plus the Mormons, who are actually their own ethnic group) seem to remember their English ancestry more.

Blogger Corvinus May 28, 2015 4:39 PM  

English ancestry by county:

Link

Anonymous The Mexican May 28, 2015 4:49 PM  

"There is no solution."

Oh, come now. You told us some time ago that it would be easy enough to remove a whole bunch of non-anglo-saxons (why the hell can't you just own up to your overriding racial ideology and call them what you think of them-Non-White Savage Mongrels) by using the Nazi model.

You just hate being reminded of how closely aligned your personal ideology is to the Nazi ideology don't you.

I think you must also hate being reminded that you are intellectually deficient and historically ignorant when it comes to understanding the United States.

The U.S. isn't a branch of Euro-based Western Civilization. It's a whole new thing. Western Civ was always based on nationalities and the ethnocentrism that went along with it and you want to paper over America with that kind of understanding.

America was also an ideological entity based on the idea of individual freedoms, representative democracy, and equal opportunity. The last official vestiges of the Old World in the U.S. were swept away when the ignorant rednecks in the south decided to try to keep enforcing their unAmerican slave state on the rest of us and were confronted with the might of a new, non-world ideology. That left them with the 13th and 14th Amendment.

Your Demographic Demise is a category error...UNLESS you assume that everything has a foundation in race....which of course you do

What's worse about you is that you don't have the strength to come out and say what you think. You are a coward. Otherwise you'd remind us again that the Old South (spiced up with a little theological statism) could return if we just embraced the Nazi model you so love.

Fucking coward!

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 5:07 PM  

"America was also an ideological entity based on the idea of individual freedoms, representative democracy, and equal opportunity"

You left out rule of law, equality before it, and property rights, ideas which all came here primarily from England......definitely not from Africa or Aztlan....

Vox has plainly came out and said what he thinks, you are just too stupid, impatient, or stubborn to take the time to understand............

This thread isn't only about illegal immigration, but I'll say it, yes, America could and should just round up and forcefully deport millions if necessary, just like Eisenhower did with "Operation Wetback" ............but we won't, and the result is going to be a version of stuff described here...no more America on this continent, no more Western Civilization....maybe anywhere.....what replaces it will be chaotic, violent crap, not some diverse, utopian, socialist fantasy.....

.... my Mexican ancestors who settled here in Texas were nothing like the hordes plaguing the border now.....

Blogger Danby May 28, 2015 5:07 PM  

Oh great, A Mexican lecturing us with the Puritan Whig version of Us heistory

America was also an ideological entity based on the idea of individual freedoms, representative democracy, and equal opportunity. The last official vestiges of the Old World in the U.S. were swept away when the ignorant rednecks in the south decided to try to keep enforcing their unAmerican slave state on the rest of us and were confronted with the might of a new, non-world ideology. That left them with the 13th and 14th Amendment."

Tell me, did the lobotomy hurt much? Did the Flav-R-Ade have an off taste?

Believe me, you prat, we all know the official story. the problem is that the Official Story is not only wrong, it's a deliberate lie.

I won't even bother with the rest of your post, since it consists entirely of nonsensical inusults and projection.

Anonymous The Mexican May 28, 2015 5:13 PM  

"Vox has plainly came out and said what he thinks, you are just too stupid, impatient, or stubborn to take the time to understand............"

No, if you've read him long enough you understand. He's just too much of a coward to have the courage of his convictions and say what he thinks. He doesn't like it when folks notice that he and the Nazis have lots in common.

"and the result is going to be a version of stuff described here...no more America on this continent, no more Western Civilization"

This is what they said then the Irish, the Germans, the Jews, the Italians and the Russians came. Never came to pass because America is so obviously transformative. The first generation immigrants of past were equally brutal in part and equally embracing of their past home's culture. But their descendants embraced the American ideology and the same is happening today with today's immigrants from the south.

You are equally ignorant of American History as Vox is.

".... my Mexican ancestors who settled here in Texas were nothing like the hordes plaguing the border now....."

Yes, yes, yes. I know....No True Scotsman.

Anonymous The Mexican May 28, 2015 5:15 PM  

"Believe me, you prat, we all know the official story. the problem is that the Official Story is not only wrong, it's a deliberate lie. K"

Yes....Yes...a giant conspiracy....by whom...yes, the Bilderbergers, the Aliens? Please, you idiot......sell your race bating elsewhere. I swear, race bating is the only tool you tools have left in your box.

Blogger Huggums May 28, 2015 5:15 PM  

If there is to be war in our time, what can I do to build or maintain some semblance of civilization? What's my course of action? I'm glad I have the engineering degrees, but I know that's not enough. I've thought about it, I can't think of anything that wouldn't be laughably insufficient. Keep in mind I'm black.

Blogger YIH May 28, 2015 5:22 PM  

BigGaySteve:
There is a book "Shaking Hands With the Devil" written by a former aid worker that sheds light on many of the confusing things involving the 3rd world.
Yep. Here's how the typical ''help the starving africans'' charity works (out of $1):
.80 - Fundrasing; the phone banks, the ad buys (all those spots are paid ads).
.10 - Administration; The accountant to document what comes in and what is spent, the attorney (oh, yes, they need one) and the guy in the suit sitting behind a desk.
.09 - Transportation and supplies for the 'aid workers' (and armed security for them) plus the spokesperson and cameraman (those commercials don't film themselves y'know).
.01 - That's the actual 'aid' that reaches 'starvin' marvin' (and according to that t-shirt he just got, the Seahawks won their second Super Bowl!).

Blogger automatthew May 28, 2015 5:26 PM  

Shut up, scoobius.

Anonymous Gx1080 May 28, 2015 5:26 PM  

Fuck it, need to ask it somewhere.

Reading Yankees go on political, they LOVE to complain about those filthy subhuman Southerners, but, they had a war against them, and won, but went full "War between brothers" and didn't wipe them off the map. So, what's the deal? They could have dealt with the Southern "problem", and they didn't. So, what, they bitch about something that they didn't do and conscript inmigrants to do their dirty job? It seems rather pathetic.

Blogger automatthew May 28, 2015 5:27 PM  

I mean, seriously: "race bating"?

Go away! Race 'bating.

That's not a typo or misspelling.

Blogger YIH May 28, 2015 5:29 PM  

Who runs the electrical grid, the water supply, the sewage systems, the phone system, such as they exist,
Those left over from colonial days? (They didn't build that!) They do, poorly, at best.

Anonymous DissidentRight May 28, 2015 5:34 PM  

"c) partition" is the closest thing there is to a solution.

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2015 5:36 PM  

automatth0x3ew May 28, 2015 4:27 PM
We can go back to calling them Roundheads. Or Puritards.


No doubt. I just can't stand a man asking in public "I'm not the guy you don't like, am I?" Should have more pride than that. Just leave the word alone and don't think about it, right?

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2015 5:39 PM  

Joshua Dyal May 28, 2015 4:33 PM
It's a heritage to be proud of.


I agree with you, yours is a heritage to be proud of. But I don't know a soul, except the Yankee Imperialist commenter, that is proud to be or thinks of themselves as a Yankee. But then I live in Wisconsin - that brought you (part of) the Iron Brigade. We live in the region of the country that says "Yankees are from New England". So maybe I'm wrong. Either way nobody should be asking "Do you think I'm a Yankee?"

Blogger automatthew May 28, 2015 5:41 PM  

Azimus, if you're a Copperhead, you're not a Yankee. Doesn't necessarily mean we'll let you marry our daughters, but we'd at least let you carry ammo.

Blogger automatthew May 28, 2015 5:42 PM  

Either way nobody should be asking "Do you think I'm a Yankee?"

Correct. Yankees know who they are. Geography is not ontography.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 28, 2015 5:47 PM  

FP: 'Americans too because they live in the "Americas".'

Nothing wrong with that. That is how I grew up (born in 1960). American is anyone born in the Americas and, depending on context, it could be narrowed to an "Estadounidiense," someone from these united States of America. It is another way in which these uSA is viewed as imperialistic.

In my opinion, when Colonel Travis' addresses "all Americans in the world" in his letter it is in the sense of freedom loving people in the Americas.

http://www.travisletter.com/the-letter.html

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 5:48 PM  

"But their descendants embraced the American ideology and the same is happening today with today's immigrants from the south. "

The hordes of invading migrants do not embrace any ideology close to resembling something called "American". Fleeing a shit-hole to sign up for a free living is not immigrating, it is aggressive infection and subversion, not matter what noble intentions they think they have.....

"He doesn't like it when folks notice that he and the Nazis have lots in common." Your wrong because he doesn't care...because you are wrong.....Hitler was a vegetarian, addicted to meth and liked dancing a jig, I don't think Vox is into any of that.....if Nazi's hadn't invaded other white christian nations they wouldn't have given a shit about who they deported or why.....they, including the US, sure didn't before 1939........

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2015 5:50 PM  

Corvinus May 28, 2015 4:36 PM
Actually, the South claimed the North was violating Federal law in regards to slavery. It wasn't over states' rights.


But the Confederacy was formed by a union of States that seceded (claiming a state-level right of secession). Let's just say the south leveraged many avenues to ensure their rights but primarily Secession occurred over State's Rights.

That said, though, nowadays, a red state-blue state divide among whites appears far more likely, especially if persecution of Christians who don't approve of fag marriage continues heating up. If that is the case, much of the West would align with the South rather than the North.

Depends on how much traction the "Gay is the new normal" movement gets. If we go all Sodom and Gamorrah I agree. If people tire of them beating their fabulous equality drum, and I think they will, it might not play out that way.

Actually, from what I have been able to tell, Southerners are more Scotch-Irish than English. The only one of the Southern states that seems more English is Virginia.

This is interesting, as I get the feeling most of the Southrons here (at least those that speak up) revile Irish immigrants as RCC's or collectivists or unintelligent or what-not.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 5:53 PM  

" I get the feeling most of the Southrons here (at least those that speak up) revile Irish immigrants as RCC's or collectivists or unintelligent or what-not."

Can't say as I blame em', likely 1/2 my Irish ancestors fought for Lincoln, the other 1/2 fought for Santa Anna earlier.......I can't atone for that all by myself......can I still drink your whiskey?

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 28, 2015 5:57 PM  

Read Clyde Wilson for his take of who is a Yankee.

Patrick Kelly, any "San Patricio" in your ancestry?

Blogger automatthew May 28, 2015 5:59 PM  

Azimus: "This is interesting, as I get the feeling most of the Southrons here (at least those that speak up) revile Irish immigrants as RCC's or collectivists or unintelligent or what-not."

1. Scots-Irish aren't Irish. They're Scots who were forcibly settled in Ireland.

2. I haven't gotten those feels.

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2015 6:00 PM  

Huggums May 28, 2015 5:15 PM
If there is to be war in our time, what can I do to build or maintain some semblance of civilization? What's my course of action?


I for one don't believe in TEOTWAWKI scenarios - you don't need a 7yr supply of freeze-dried beans and 48V DC Power generation and 5,500rds of .223 and night vision goggles and all this other stuff. No matter what happens to the US there are always guys with guns who will come and restore order to their own advantage. So in my mind you need to have 1) the ability to get out of hot zones, 2) have a place to go out of the hot zones (don't need your own farm, a sister's house in a small town will suffice), 3) a cache of supplies to last you until they turn the factories on again (my feeling on that is 6-8wks, some people think a year or more). More than this, it depends on what your goals are. Stay alive, or protect your wealth, or be part of the new civic order whatever form that takes. That is my feeling on it. But in the end, I don't think we will have a "Pearl Harbor" kind of day that everyone will look back to as a collapse. It will be sort of a gradual disintegration, a short crisis, and then a new system put in its place. There is no scenario I see where you're going to have to grow 100% of your own food unless you automatically retreat to some forsaken corner of the country and force it on yourself.

Blogger automatthew May 28, 2015 6:01 PM  

3. Bruichladdich 12

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2015 6:03 PM  

automatthew May 28, 2015 5:59 PM
1. Scots-Irish aren't Irish. They're Scots who were forcibly settled in Ireland


Well, to each their own. Since Scots are originally Irish who settled on Loch Lomond (or somewhere in that region) its all the same to me. They should have some sympathy for one another, right?

Just my opinion.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 28, 2015 6:12 PM  

" But I don't know a soul, except the Yankee Imperialist commenter, that is proud to be or thinks of themselves as a Yankee."

As a proud Pennsylvanian (and Pittsburgher) I also live in a part of the Country that knows Yankees are "those assholes from New England". Regardless of how others lump everybody east of the Mississippi and north of the Mason-Dixon together.

Anonymous The Mexican May 28, 2015 6:26 PM  

"The hordes of invading migrants do not embrace any ideology close to resembling something called "American". Fleeing a shit-hole to sign up for a free living is not immigrating, it is aggressive infection and subversion, not matter what noble intentions they think they have..."

They are in fact doing the same thing the Italians, Germans, Jews, and Irish did....Fleeing a land that didn't offer them the same kind of opportunity that America could offer. So shut up until you can think straight.

"Your wrong because he doesn't care...because you are wrong.....Hitler was a vegetarian, addicted to meth and liked dancing a jig, I don't think Vox is into any of that"

No, but he is into cleansing the land of those who are a little different than him, particularly with their ethnic make up...Something he and the Nazis have in common. But he won't own up to it because he doesn't have the courage to display his convictions. But....the Internet never forgets. Race Baiting is all Vox Day and your type have left.

Blogger redlegben May 28, 2015 6:32 PM  

Azimus, I too live in WI. I find the racial conflict being simmered by way of Sheriff Clarke in Milwaukee. I also noticed there was no rioting after the Madison officer killed the black kid here. I think this plays to the theory of Germans having 1-3 in escalation and go straight to 10. I get the feeling blacks here understand that, or at least their leadership does.

Blogger Cee May 28, 2015 6:33 PM  

English ancestry by county:
Huh. I did not know that about Utah but I'm not tremendously surprised.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 28, 2015 6:40 PM  

Men of the West, I tell you true, do not listen to the advice of your enemies! Search not for God in the Temples of Mammon! Yeshua, or Joshua, or Jesus Christ preached the Word of God, in God's House. With the Blue Sky as his ceiling, higher and more breathtaking than the Sistine Chapel and God's Green Earth as his floor did the Word of the Lord reach the people.
These temples worship the Golden Calf or the Gold to make them. Their graven images are just cold dead statues with lifeless blank stares that see nothing!
Time is always short, the breath of Life in you will not last forever. You can fritter away fortunes and make them again, but Time once spent will never be made back. Do not listen to heresy from old men with silly hats who spout the nonsense the Dinosaurs in the Media tell you. The Word is already in a book and you do not need someone to read to you like children.
To you vile heretics, Buzz Off! We have great amounts of Love in our hearts but none to waste on ingrates like you who do not thank the Lord our God who gave us this Love. Certainly it would be like Pearls before Swine to waste our Love on the likes of YOU!
If you Dinosaurs love Tar Babies so much, then go to the Tar Pits to receive their thanks. I'm sure they have plenty of sticks and stones to crack your empty skulls to show you why we do not live amongst them. All of you can join the Wooly Mammoths of the False Opposition GOP as they sink into the morass that remains of the Primordial Swamp.
Men of the West, follow me to Valhalla. We will drink toasts in a grand party with Heroes of Old and lovely Valkyries when this day is done. Let anyone who is to blind and stupid not to see the Glory of the Lord be bought with the Fool's Gold of the Earth. We will drink Ambrosia with the Gods and Live Forever!

Blogger Danby May 28, 2015 6:40 PM  

Why has there never been a Black race riot in Boston?


i have it on good authority it's because the Blacks are afraid of the Irish

Blogger Giuseppe May 28, 2015 6:43 PM  

BGS
I am curious on your personal view on Christianity.
Not trying to be offensive, honestly curious.

Blogger redlegben May 28, 2015 6:43 PM  

Maybe it is. Boston cops aren't known for their civility.

Blogger automatthew May 28, 2015 6:53 PM  

Azimus: "Well, to each their own. Since Scots are originally Irish who settled on Loch Lomond (or somewhere in that region) its all the same to me. They should have some sympathy for one another, right? "

Respectfully, this smells of goal-post-moving.

The Scots are not Irish, and the Irish are not Scots. Yes, of course? Is the distinction worth making? How many centuries divides the race of Scots from the race of Irish?

Would you agree that the Scots-Irish in the American South are significantly different from the Irish who immigrated to New England? In culture, if not in race?

Anonymous patrick kelly May 28, 2015 6:54 PM  

"They are in fact doing the same thing the Italians, Germans, Jews, and Irish did....Fleeing a land that didn't offer them the same kind of opportunity that America could offer. So shut up until you can think straight. "

Bullshit.

In hindsight it was a big mistake to let so many in. Some of their ancestors who build the foundations of American came as explorers, pioneers, settlers and conquerors, not migrants hordes looking for gov't hand outs or someone to save them from themselves. "America" was created by them from the 1600's till the USA was founded in 1789 with the Constitution.

It was after this that "poor huddled masses" came, fleeing European and other places turning into shit-holes due to revolutionary mobs or tyrants, after western civilization was already built and established here in the NA continent, bringing the seeds of its destruction with them. The more diverse the franchise became, the more the foundations stressed and weakened, all in the name of some mythical melting pot....

Blogger Danby May 28, 2015 7:22 PM  

"A large percentage of American Indian blood in The Mexican deprives him of any natural human sympathies or moral sense and makes him a wholly unmanageable drunk."
--P. j. O'Rourke

Blogger VD May 28, 2015 7:42 PM  

No, but he is into cleansing the land of those who are a little different than him, particularly with their ethnic make up.

Yes, clearly we Native Americans have a LOT of work to do to get rid everyone who cleansed us off our land.

Anonymous John D May 28, 2015 7:44 PM  

"Do you think that Christian groups from different racial and ethnic backgrounds could form cohesive states or areas?"

Yes. As long as they are devote Christians, I can work with them.


Whenever multiple races occupy the same area they will achieve different life outcomes based on their respective race's average abilities (regardless of their religious beliefs). This will lead to the low performing races to resent the high performing race. If "affirmative action" is implemented and is seen as transferal from producers to non-producers, it'll be resented by the producers. Either way, sharing a religion is not going to make the races equal, and resentment (and worse) is inevitable.

Best to just keep the races separate. Not going to happen, probably, although you never know what's to come after the collapse.

Anonymous The Mexican May 28, 2015 7:53 PM  

Has VD published the detSils of his DNA to back up his Native American claims. BecUse as we know, Nazi sympathizers always lie. But we knew he was a coward because he already published his solution to his digits with all but whites; "just do what the Nazis did".

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW May 28, 2015 8:09 PM  

The Mexican:

They are in fact doing the same thing the Italians, Germans, Jews, and Irish did....Fleeing a land that didn't offer them the same kind of opportunity that America could offer. So shut up until you can think straight.

There is a certain asymmetry to the respective situations that is probably beyond the Mexican's thinking skills.

Blogger Danby May 28, 2015 8:32 PM  

@Mexican
Y'know, I'm going to dispute your self-assigned name. I know a fair number of Mexicans, and they're not assholes.They can pick up on social cues and no matter how dumb, they don't stand naked in the middle of the town square screaming obvious lies. Based on your behavior, I'm pegging you as French.

Anonymous Geoff May 28, 2015 8:32 PM  

I'm just watching the National Spelling Bee on ESPN which clearly reveals the following:

1) Indians are better spellers than any other race by far.
2) Males are better spellers than females.

Blogger buwaya May 28, 2015 8:50 PM  

"d) ethnic subsumption" is the answer.

That's whats already happening, extremely fast. My report is from the epicenter of the other side. of the Anglo-native:Immigrant divide.
Whether this is a good or bad thing is a matter of perspective, and TBD by history.

What probably won't happen is a scenario "c) partition,"

At least not one on ethnic lines, as a result of ethnic nationalist feelings.

We could see a partition due to white vs white factional conflict, and Mexicans could be used to bulk up one side of this, but they certainly wouldn't lead it, or run it.

May I add, I think a lot of people on this board should go out and meet some actual Mexicans.

Blogger ChicagoRefugee May 28, 2015 9:08 PM  

Shorter The Mexican: Anyone who doesn't agree that what the western hemisphere really needs is yet another Latin American country is ARacistNaziWhoWantsToKillSixMillionJews.

I suggest we adopt Mexico's immigration laws and practices. He couldn't possibly complain about that, could he?

OpenID simplytimothy May 28, 2015 9:16 PM  

After all my distant ancestors use to paint themselves blue and charge Roman Legions butt nekkid. The 'Rebel Yell' is a lingering artifact of those days.

S. Weasel links to the only known recording of actual American Civil War veterans doing the Rebel Yell.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 28, 2015 9:22 PM  

Danby: "Based on your behavior, I'm pegging you as French."

Based on his acute Naziphobia, I'd say he's something else.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 9:54 PM  

May I add, I think a lot of people on this board should go out and meet some actual Mexicans.

We have; it's one of the ways we know you're full of crap.

The Garcia family lives about 1/4-mile down the road from me. I just looked out the window and saw someone pulling into their driveway. I don't see them much in the winter, but in the summer they spend a lot of time outside around the above-ground pool, with some extremely obese white friends. They're kinda trashing the place, but that's none of my business -- that's one reason I live in the country: I don't want anyone telling me how often to mow my lawn. If they lived in town, they'd have the eyesore of the block, though. Some nights, if I have the windows open, I get to enjoy the mariachi-sounding music they play full-blast.

They're not from around here, of course. They showed up when the dairy farm another 1/4-mile down the road restarted operation a few years ago. Of course the dairy farm hired foreigners, since that's a Job Americans Won't Do -- not that they asked this American, who has dairy experience and might have liked to pick up some part-time work nearby. They didn't even put out a help-wanted sign. No, naturally they went straight to a pool of workers over a thousand miles away.

I met others when I owned a Catholic bookstore in town. Not too many, because the area is 95% white and mestizos aren't as Catholic as people think, but I did get some. Every single time two or more came in, they spoke Spanish to each other, even right in front of me, so they're maintaining that habit at home despite being less than 1% of the population here.

Now, they might all be lovely people. But they do have a very different culture, and they are not assimilating, much less being subsumed. They're maintaining their language and culture even when their numbers are small enough that that can't be easy. I personally happen to like some things about that culture, such as the more relaxed attitudes that Fred Reed talks about. But American culture is what it is, for better or worse, and Americans should be allowed to keep it. If I want to live in Mexico, I'll move there (though they might not take me, since they aren't as stupid about immigration as we are). They should do the same, instead of trying to plant their culture here and wait for it to spread like an invasive weed.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 9:57 PM  

Based on your behavior, I'm pegging you as French.

You shouldn't get his hopes up unless you mean it.

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2015 9:59 PM  

automatthew May 28, 2015 6:53 PM
Respectfully, this smells of goal-post-moving.


I can concede that. I don't know everything afterall. I had always thought that Scots-Irish was an ethnic term meant to convey the similar nature and common ancestry. I did not know it was a historical term meant to describe a specific group of people doing a specific thing at a specific time. This smells like a Cromwellian program, similar to the Anglo-Irish (but probably punitive). Am I far off?

Would you agree that the Scots-Irish in the American South are significantly different from the Irish who immigrated to New England? In culture, if not in race?

Yes. The Union brought two hundred more years of peace to Scotland that Ireland never enjoyed, which brought stability, which allowed for reallocation of resources, which contributed to the building up of Scotch culture and "civilization" that Ireland was not free to attempt until 1916, speaking broadly. Also the English were contemptuously abusive to the Irish in a way you didn't see with the Scotch. Probably because driving from London to Glasgow, the culture, language, etc transformed by degrees so there wasn't as clear an ethnic divide between Scotland and England as there was between Ireland and England. That, and the Scots could sweep down and murder them in their sleep if they so chose.

All these things, the obvious religious frictions, and the hundreds of years since "schism" meant that Scotland was a significantly different culture than the Irish.

I don't know anything about the Scots-Irish so I can't speak to their differences from New England Irish. I can tell you that I am still flabbergasted that the Irish chose Boston of all places and New York to make their homes.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 28, 2015 10:16 PM  

"A large percentage of American Indian blood in The Mexican deprives him of any natural human sympathies or moral sense and makes him a wholly unmanageable drunk."
--P. j. O'Rourke


Well I guess that explains the cruelty artist part then.

Blogger Danby May 28, 2015 10:19 PM  

The Scots are Protestant in religion, Pictish in descent and either monarchic or communist in politics
The Irish are Catholic in religion, Irish in descent and Republican (anti-monarchic) and socialist in politics.
The so-called Protestant Irish in northern Ireland are Scots-Irish. they were recruited by the Anglo-Irish from the lower classes of the Scottish lowlands, in the effort to replace the Irish population, or at least have a local population that they could recuit soldiers and police from. Usually they were promised free land or steady work. Sometimes they even got what they were promised.

When the locals proved to be difficult to exterminate, a great many pulled up stakes and tried their luck in the uplands of Virginia and Carolina, gradually migrating westward as the wilderness receded.

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2015 10:20 PM  

Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 9:54 PM
Now, they might all be lovely people....They should do the same, instead of trying to plant their culture here and wait for it to spread like an invasive weed.


Latin/Mexican culture has a lot going for it. I think the main issue is, as you point out, it is in the numbers. The numbers allow the immigrants to maintain parent culture cohesion and create friction where there wasn't any before. I was in the Witte Museum in San Antonio 2 weeks ago when 1000 school kids were unleashed on the place - probably 70%+ Mexican kids (nice kids very respectful of elders), most likely born in the US, but their English was poor and that was somewhat disappointing. The old three-generations-to-an-American rule is broken as the government caters to and promotes maintaining the parent culture with 25+ language forms, schools in foreign languages, etc. With the numbers and the breakdown of natural forms of assimilation (forcing immigrants to learn native language to function), American culture is rapidly dividing itself.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 28, 2015 10:35 PM  

ChicagoRefugee, is that a trap you are setting?

Blogger Cail Corishev May 28, 2015 10:43 PM  

The numbers allow the immigrants to maintain parent culture cohesion and create friction where there wasn't any before.

They don't even need the numbers anymore. My county is 0.83% Hispanic/Latino; that's a whopping 566 people. It's not like they have their own barrios or radio stations. But even a single Mexican family in the middle of this German/Irish area can stay in constant contact with the language and culture back home, thanks to the Internet and cheap phone service. And the Nice White Ladies at the churches make sure there are plenty of services in Spanish. They're never cut off from their native culture or given any incentive to assimilate to this foreign one, so why would they even if they could?

Blogger buwaya May 28, 2015 10:58 PM  

Cail,

Thats seems a very limited sample. Around here it isn't 1-2%, its more like 40-50%,
The reality of the world does not always match the presentation in internet arguments. I am a practical man, an engineer, and my normal activity is to solve concrete problems.

As a 30-year resident of CA, and an immigrant from the Philippines, I am soaked in the "immigrant experience". I may be a professional multiculturalist I suppose, having worked and traveled all over Asia.

I have lived beside and with Mexicans, I married one, did business with Mexican workers, clients, contractors, done constant work with industrial workforces that were mixed, etc. ad infinitum. I've been with crews that lay pipe, fix electric power lines, build industrial structures, operate machine shops, power plants and all sorts of critical concerns.

They are at least 1/3 of the kids in Catholic parochial schools, usually, if not more.
And at the usual sort of Sunday parish church weddings, mixed couples constitute at least 50% of the pairings. And @50% of the births. Mixed kids aren't oddballs, they are becoming a plurality.

To put it bluntly - Around here Mexicans (and Central Americans) get along famously with whites and Asians. This is not Pollyannaism, this is observed truth.
They get along much better with the true white working class than the "nerds" in the valley and San Francisco, but I think all the better of them for that reason.

I don't deny that they have driven down wages across the board, that they are often very unsophisticated, that they sometimes are criminals, and etc. They aren't very interested in school, do badly in school testing, and don't often make it into engineering schools. Maybe there is some substance to the IQ argument, but it seems to me the jury is still out. And the US has done them no favors by giving them an ongoing negative set of role models in rap and urban culture, plus schooling that is poorly conceived, poorly implemented, and furthermore largely conducted by white ladies who despise their own country.

On the other hand they are usually extremely hard workers, notably diligent and responsible, very practical, tend not to complain or make trouble, and are a great value for money. They are also entrepreneurial, do very well with practical engineering (when I was dealing in machine tools plenty of my clients were Mexican owners of small machine shops), and such other hands on trades. They are quick to latch on to ways to better themselves, such as practical training, as long as it doesn't involve tedious lectures and much reading or writing. If you want to teach them, you must show them.

One doesn't have to be "Lawrence of Mexico" to get to know Mexicans. A friendly disposition, a good attitude, and a shared, difficult job is more than enough. If you are a good worker and know your stuff you will earn respect and make friends.

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