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Saturday, May 23, 2015

What part of "cruelty artist" don't you understand?

Roosh@rooshv
Surprise: one of my committed haters @Popehat is mentally ill, served time in an institution. I wish him the best

 Popehat ‏@Popehat
@rooshv "committed haters" is actually pretty clever.

Popehat ‏@Popehat
.@rooshv Ken isn't the Popehat blogger who hates you. Patrick is the one who hates you, you scrofulous little Ben-wa ball.

Vox Day @voxday
.@Popehat @rooshv Is this "Patrick" an actual person or one of the 16 Personalities of Popehat?
I find it rather astonishing that anyone would be so naive as to imagine, in this day and Information Age, to think that it is a good idea to simultaneously a) be mentally ill and b) play attack dog on the Internet. If being medicated or otherwise under treatment for mental illness meant that one was to be regarded as off limits, it would be impossible to respond to an estimated one-in-five people and four-in-five SJWs. So that's a complete non-starter.

Now, I don't wish disease of any kind on anyone. I never have and never will. I would very much like for everyone, even those who most hate me, to be healthy, happy, and well. But if you have a mental illness and you are foolish enough to attack me, then you can be certain that I will exploit your weakness to whatever extent I happen to find useful or amusing. Why? Because you gave up any claim to my sympathy or civility of your own free will when you decided to attack me or mine without provocation.

My advice to Ken White is threefold:
  1. Get off the Internet for your own good. Seriously. It's no place for the depressed, the bipolar, or the schizophrenic. There is no way the form of conflict-laden communication it fosters will do anything but undermine your mental health.
  2. If you won't do that, then try to stay out of the hot zones. Based on my observations of the behavior of other mentally unstable individuals active on the Internet, at some point your illness is likely to lead you to write checks that your mental stability can't cash.
  3. If you insist on mixing it up on the Internet, then at the very least do not seek out and attack notoriously ruthless individuals like Roosh and me. We won't hesitate to strike at your vulnerabilities and we don't care about the opinion of the delicate souls who will dramatically take to their fainting couches at the horror of it all. Just leave us alone and we'll leave you alone.
My code of behavior is very simple and straightforward. Leave me alone and I will leave you alone. Start something and I will do my level best to finish it to my satisfaction, no matter how long it takes. So, once you've made it personal, don't whine about how cruelly I take advantage of your feelings of worthlessness or complain about how viciously I exploit your sense of being a failure. All you had to do was leave me alone. And if you can't manage something as simple as that, well, then perhaps you really are a stupid and worthless individual doomed to inevitable failure in life.

If you are weak, then for the love of God and anything else in which you happen to believe, do not attack the strong!

One thing I think might be useful to keep in mind that the genuinely stable and self-confident individual has as much trouble understanding the perspective of the unstable and insecure person as the latter does the former. When I read Ken's post about his breakdown and his struggles, my overwhelming impression was sheer bewilderment. He might as well have written it in Chinese for all that I related to it. And what's more, in writing this post, I begin to understand just how evil and pernicious the behavior of the SJWs who constantly try to spin the false narrative of my incessant failure really is: I now understand that being mentally unstable themselves, they are intentionally attempting to provoke me into a psychological tailspin.

That is foolish for two reasons. First, I'm not susceptible to it. It will never, ever work on me because the effect is precisely the opposite of the one intended. In fact, it's exactly what my track coach at university used to do in order to motivate my sprinters group on speed day. (NB: in the track world, sprinters are well known for being the most self-confident of athletes. As it is said, sprinters are born, not made, and you either have it or you don't.) Second, and more important, their use of the tactic tells me precisely who is going to be most vulnerable to it.

And the Dark Lord laughed....

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109 Comments:

Anonymous jSinSaTx May 23, 2015 8:24 AM  

Interesting to watch the Roosh vs Rollo situation unfold. With all the outward enemies to fight, people still turn on those more aligned with them.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 23, 2015 8:28 AM  

"If being medicated or otherwise under treatment for mental illness meant that one was to be regarded as off limits"

That is their belief and the essence of empowerment through victimhood.

I remember disagreeing with someone online; she then claimed to have been a rape survivor, and disagreeing with her or other potential rape survivors would be triggering.

I told her that if somebody spouting off in a comment box is enough to send her life into a tailspin, that she needed to get off the Internet until at such time stuff was behind her, and the way to "heal" (as she claimed she was doing) was to not go out and argue politics then hide behind the victim status when losing.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 23, 2015 8:31 AM  

I remember when Little Green Footballs was a conservative site. Then Charles Johnson went off his nut. He is now a full-on SJW. Uses the word regressive and everything.

It is possible for a liberal to have a Road to Damascus and take a sharp turn to the right.

This never happens for conservatives... unless they have a mental breakdown.

Popehat is going to turn on his friends one day, I can feel it.

Blogger VD May 23, 2015 8:34 AM  

I remember disagreeing with someone online; she then claimed to have been a rape survivor, and disagreeing with her or other potential rape survivors would be triggering.

They say "trigger" like it's a bad thing, rather than the useful thing it is. After all, triggers are for pulling.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 23, 2015 8:35 AM  

@Cataline Sergius

The most obvious one of those right now appears to be Kirsten Powers, on her way to a full break with the left, with her declaration that the left hates free speech.

She actually had a Road to Damascus moment - saw Jesus and converted. It's something to see the bile that has emerged from the left about her.

Blogger VD May 23, 2015 8:45 AM  

Interesting to watch the Roosh vs Rollo situation unfold. With all the outward enemies to fight, people still turn on those more aligned with them.

Roosh is right, and he's doing the right thing by mostly refusing to engage. Rollo has failed to absorb the lesson of #GamerGate and is foolishly trying to play a form of tone police. What Roosh has done with Reaxxion alone is sufficient to merit considerable leeway and respect.

Anonymous koan May 23, 2015 8:58 AM  

"Popehat is going to turn on his friends one day, I can feel it."

Popehat is going to turn SJW? He's already turned on Vox, John Wright, Roosh, Heartiste.... Popehat is pro-gay marriage to the point he supports forcing businesses to submit to faggotry... he slams Gamer-Gate... he slobbers on McRapey's cock...

My bet is he is an in-the-closet queer about to come out. Expect worse.

Anonymous Remnant May 23, 2015 9:00 AM  

Another example of why SJWs are so dangerous and such a pernicious influence, and cannot be tolerated: Americans now believe that 25%(!!) of the population is "LGBT".

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-22/americans-vastly-overestimate-size-of-lgbt-population

This is just one example of the power and influence of their campaigns.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 23, 2015 9:07 AM  

>He is now a full-on SJW. Uses the word regressive and everything.

I assume this means "like the 1950s" to them.

Baby boomers still think they're teenagers living in 1965. It's weird that my generation is so impressionable that they've picked this up and run with it, insofar as their imagination of 1965 can take them.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 23, 2015 9:10 AM  

>My bet is he is an in-the-closet queer about to come out. Expect worse.

I'm going with confused tranny- shy around women but turned on by autogynephilic thoughts of being the woman in bed. Demands gay marriage because feminism, feminism because thirsty.

Anonymous jSinSaTx May 23, 2015 9:25 AM  

While I find Heartiste to be the best wordsmith and also enjoy Dalrock's data presentation, i give respect to roosh for doing everything under his own name. You can see he is in a period of growth now too. I actually wonder if salvation is something he might confront someday.

Anonymous PA May 23, 2015 9:25 AM  

What's the Rollo and Roosh disagreement about? A glance at their sites doesn't show anything.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 May 23, 2015 9:27 AM  

They say "trigger" like it's a bad thing, rather than the useful thing it is. After all, triggers are for pulling.

That's why you are our leader. The thought of these dirty little human hating goblins curled up in a fetal ball, crying and shivering makes me feel more satisfied than a good steak dinner.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 May 23, 2015 9:36 AM  



Nice, she was too cute to be with the frumps anyhow.

Interesting to watch the Roosh vs Rollo situation unfold. With all the outward enemies to fight, people still turn on those more aligned with them.

Roosh is right, and he's doing the right thing by mostly refusing to engage. Rollo has failed to absorb the lesson of #GamerGate and is foolishly trying to play a form of tone police. What Roosh has done with Reaxxion alone is sufficient to merit considerable leeway and respect.


Oh man, is this Roosh vs Rollo? That's unexpected. I go Roosh all the way on this though, he's rock solid as far as I'm concerned. Plus, his "Let me guess...." opener, that's pure gold.

Anonymous jSinSaTx May 23, 2015 9:49 AM  

Roosh is dropping the red pill and pua as a final end state and moving to a holistic neomasculinity. This was criticized in the red pill subreddit. Rollo made a comment about Roosh going down the road of Tucker Max and that he expected it after Dr. Oz.

Anonymous jSinSaTx May 23, 2015 9:53 AM  

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47693.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Roosh's summary here.

Anonymous Stephen J. May 23, 2015 10:05 AM  

"Because you gave up any claim to my sympathy or civility of your own free will when you decided to attack me or mine without provocation."

To be fair, when one is genuinely mentally ill, i.e. literally not able to govern one's own mind to the degree required for sane social functionality, the standard for what counts as "provocation" and "deciding" may not meet what others expect through no fault of one's own. Attacking people like this is usually pointless for the same reason it's pointless arguing with drunks: it never persuades the target and it's too easily made to look bad taken out of context, especially if the neurosis is an inherently sympathetic one like depression.

That said, there's a difference between actually being clinically mentally ill and merely having been over diagnosed as such. Mental illness exists, but so does the pathologization of personality flaws.

OpenID mattse001 May 23, 2015 10:23 AM  

Now, I don't wish disease of any kind on anyone.
I do. Thankfully for the SJWs, that's not up to me.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 23, 2015 10:27 AM  

"Get off the Internet for your own good. Seriously. It's no place for the depressed, the bipolar, or the schizophrenic. "

Ah crap, now you tell me......

I have a friend who's son has been diagnosed with several issues and is medicated. Whenever he engages me in conversation I try hard not to treat him any different than anyone else and push back against some of his craziness. He is someone I care deeply about, so I do take some compassionate care with him, just like I would when dealing with anyone else's sinful, broken weaknesses. It's and awkward, difficult path for to tread....for me anyway....

Blogger Giuseppe May 23, 2015 10:27 AM  

Oh, that certainly fits the profile.

Patrick is the blowhard who can't take any criticism, tries to shut down any conversation that doesn't go his way and who is an addict. He used to smoke and now he vapes and has vape shills (people who sell vaping crap) as his "friends".

Mentioning the fact that his addiction is irritating to those he subjects his addiction to by puffing away on sweetly scented Leprechaun anus, in their vicinity, or whatever the flavour of the week for his drug is, saw to it he blocked me from the poppet twitter feed. Clark, who also has access to it was surprised by this too.

So yes. I can definitely see Patrick as a mentally ill individual. It shows in the simplest communications. Anything that makes fun of him, or is perceived to, will result in a pretty instant emotional outburst of some kind. I'd guess he has a narcissistic personality disorder. Just like so many SJWs.

Blogger Josh May 23, 2015 10:29 AM  

Rollo > Roosh.

Anonymous zen0 May 23, 2015 10:31 AM  

So the rejoinder, "Have you forgotten to take your meds?" has a decent chance of being more than overblown rhetoric, and rather an expression of sincere sympathy and concern.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 May 23, 2015 10:46 AM  

My God, it's full of triggers.

Blogger rcocean May 23, 2015 10:49 AM  

OT: "I remember when Little Green Footballs was a conservative site"

Uh no, he never was. Johnson always was playing the race card, and always spent large amount of time attacking others as "antisemitic" "Fundies" "anti-science" etc. and trying to label social conservatives as beyond the pale. All he did later was finally drop the "Neo" and show himself to be a full fledged "Con" man.

Blogger Danby May 23, 2015 10:51 AM  

So the beef against Roosh is, what? That he makes a living at the work he does full time? That he charges for books and speeches? That he has a couple of non-feminist-dominated web sites that he runs as businesses?

I don't get it.

Blogger rcocean May 23, 2015 10:52 AM  

I loved Vox's shot at the "Nervous Nellies" - why is our side so rife with Little Lord Fauntleroy's who are forever wagging their finger at conservatives and playing tone police? Frankly, I dislike these wimps more than I dislike the Left at times. At least the Left knows what it wants.

Anonymous d12 May 23, 2015 10:55 AM  

Why do you equate "being mean on the internet" with being strong?

Blogger Bro. Longtail May 23, 2015 10:55 AM  

Deceptively simple and straight forward, this was actually one of your best and most 'epic' posts in a while.

Blogger rcocean May 23, 2015 10:56 AM  

The Left has always been the haven for freaks, the abnormal, and the deformed. Look at the leading Bolsheviks. Stalin with his withered arm, Beria a serial rapist, Yagoda and others were midgets, etc. All of them seem to have delusional paranoids. No wonder they started killing each other off.

Blogger Jack Ward May 23, 2015 10:56 AM  

@Vox: at some point your illness is likely to lead you to write checks that your mental stability can't cash.
A nice turn of phrase. One could change words, descriptive s all day with the basic concept of check cashing. I will remember this one. Thanks.

Anonymous Dr. J May 23, 2015 11:08 AM  

One of the rare nuggets of wisdom from the hood:

Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis May 23, 2015 11:16 AM  

What is the Roosh vs. Rollo kerfuffle about? I noticed something in my twitter but could not figure it out.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 23, 2015 11:17 AM  

"Rollo > Roosh."

Agreed, except in this case. Rollo has failed to notice the culture war is going hot. He's a smart guy though, he'll figure it out eventually. Roosh may or may not be acting correctly on purpose, but he's acting correctly regardless.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 23, 2015 11:20 AM  

Yes, today we see that weakness is celebrated and every dysfunction is now a "diagnosis." Parents fight to get their kid an IEP (individualized education plan) because of all the "benefits" attached to it, oblivious to the consequences of inducing a willingness to wallow in incompetence.

When this 50 year erosion of economic vigor, disguised by running the credit card, ends and things overshoot the reversion to the mean, there is going to be a great culling of the weak.

In Zombieland, it won't be the fatties who go first, it will be those conditioned to wallow in their own weakness.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 23, 2015 11:30 AM  

2nd to go will be women induced to think they're men, and 3rd will be men who forget that life is a coed team sport kind of like tennis doubles. (I don't understand the entire "Game" thing at all; in my experience it looks like intentionally playing life with no intent to play well.)

Blogger Ghost May 23, 2015 11:39 AM  

Well this certainly explains his dedication and devotion to Randi. It would take a mental illness to willingly align with that thing.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera May 23, 2015 11:44 AM  

A note about dysfunction in general: it is very important for optimal functioning that a dysfunctional person knows precisely how they are dysfunctional, so as to devise realistic coping strategies. This is distinct from demanding that everyone else cope with you.

Ex. A dyslexic person should be made aware that their failings are not, morally speaking, their fault. This must be clear to them, and in detail. However, individualized education plans are bad (assuming Prussian schooling is the context). It is important instead to form alternate methods of reading the same books.

Similarly, someone with a bad stutter should learn typical coping mechanisms like translating thoughts back and forth between languages before speaking, rather than demanding everyone listen to and understand the stuttering.

Anonymous Chris S. May 23, 2015 11:47 AM  

It's always an interesting spin with Ken and Patrick (and Clark) using the same twitter handle. If things get too hot they quickly point out that you were referencing a tweet (mid argument) that was posted by a different author, and they quickly throw out a "That was Ken/Patrick/Clark you buffoon. I WIN!"

It's like when Jon Stewart or Russell Brand get called on some foolish statement they make, all within the guise of being brilliant thought leaders, then they quickly call "I'm just a comedian, man".

Blogger IM2L844 May 23, 2015 11:54 AM  

Their caretakers should be ashamed of themselves.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 23, 2015 12:01 PM  

They haven't seen anything yet, wait till the Right develops a taste for rhetoric, shields up deploy the gladius. As of now conservatives are playing nice Papa and trying to reason with disfunctionals hopefully soon it's the deployment of killercons

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 23, 2015 12:04 PM  

Off topic, but I thought Vox would find this article interesting: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape?anid=7 . Sweden is now the second-rapiest country in the world! It's surely just coincidental that a dramatic shift took place after massive immigration from Muslim countries, though.

(I know your rule about early off-topic posts. I hope this is waiting long enough to be respectful.)

Blogger VD May 23, 2015 12:08 PM  

It's always an interesting spin with Ken and Patrick (and Clark) using the same twitter handle.

Gee, it's so hard to figure out how to turn that tactic to one's advantage when dealing with a literal mental patient....

Anonymous Ken White May 23, 2015 12:17 PM  

Dear Vox,

(Sorry, tried to leave this comment with my Google account, but it's not clear if it took; if this is a duplicate, please feel free to delete.)

Thank you for being forthright.

I do not expect, and do not desire, that anyone pull any punches in dealing with me just because I fight depression. That's not why I am open about it. There's nothing worse than someone who can dish it out and can't take it. I dish it out. I can take it. Punch away.

The day I let a buffoon like Roosh chafe my ass is the day that I'll pull the plug on my wi-fi.

Some people are solicitous of my feelings. That's nice. But please do not mistake it for me seeking special treatment. I speak frankly when I criticize you, and others. I expect nothing less in response. Though I work to de-stigmatize mental illness, frankly I have no patience for people who treat crazy as both sword and shield.

I will continue to say exactly what I think about people like you and Roosh, in whatever way I see fit. I trust you'll do the same in response.

Ken White

Anonymous Clark May 23, 2015 12:21 PM  

> It's always an interesting spin with Ken and Patrick (and Clark) using the same twitter handle.

Ken and Patrick tweet at @popehat.

Clark tweets as @clarkhat.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 23, 2015 12:24 PM  

@d12
Why do you equate "being mean on the internet" with being strong?

Did you see the comment from KW above? Two people just saying stuff without a third party like you deciding what they should or shouldn't say. Do you ever get tired of being wrong? Did you forget your meds? You A R E N O T tall enough for this ride - shoo!

Blogger rcocean May 23, 2015 12:49 PM  

Yes, Ken we'll be waiting for your latest nuggets of wisdom. Knowing you're a loony, we'll give them all the consideration they deserve.

Anonymous jm May 23, 2015 12:54 PM  

Mark Bennett is amusing. He's so edgy, he has "Crowded movie theater. Fire!" in his twitter bio. But making light of the mentally ill, that's just too far, bro.

Blogger VD May 23, 2015 12:55 PM  

I will continue to say exactly what I think about people like you and Roosh, in whatever way I see fit. I trust you'll do the same in response.

Fair enough. I don't think it's the wisest course of action, but I will certainly respect your right to pursue it.

Anonymous name May 23, 2015 12:57 PM  

Roosh is right, and he's doing the right thing by mostly refusing to engage. Rollo has failed to absorb the lesson of #GamerGate and is foolishly trying to play a form of tone police. What Roosh has done with Reaxxion alone is sufficient to merit considerable leeway and respect.

Roosh also has failed to learn his lesson from #GamerGate and is now playing divide and conquer with the manosphere. First the MGTOW attack, now the TRP attack. He fails to see the push back that will earn him, especially since he hides in his safe spaces where dissenting opinions are deleted rather than debated. He is an opportunist. Just what he sees as an opportunity this time isn't one.

Anonymous BGS May 23, 2015 12:57 PM  

"If being medicated or otherwise under treatment for mental illness meant that one was to be regarded as off limits"

Its like blaming the guy who runs over a black toddler in the street, instead of the parent.

My bet is he is an in-the-closet queer about to come out. Expect worse. What is his real name and city he might be on grindr?

Anonymous GGer May 23, 2015 1:02 PM  

"Roosh also has failed to learn his lesson from #GamerGate and is now playing divide and conquer with the manosphere. First the MGTOW attack, now the TRP attack. He fails to see the push back that will earn him, especially since he hides in his safe spaces where dissenting opinions are deleted rather than debated. He is an opportunist. Just what he sees as an opportunity this time isn't one."

This. Beyond my feelings on this either way, Roosh is bad at math and he should feel bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0goQrvf-tU You cannot win by dividing your force.

Blogger Danby May 23, 2015 1:07 PM  

Really? That's his crime? He's dividing the Manasphere?

What you mean is he dissociating himself from a bunch of losers and wannabes that congregate in the manosphere because the hate women.

And he's not engaging in the fight you want him to have, on the field you want to use.

Awwwww. you're so special.

Anonymous GGer May 23, 2015 1:16 PM  

"And he's not engaging in the fight you want him to have, on the field you want to use.

Awwwww. you're so special."

No he's engaging in and losing fights with Dr. Oz, the only person in the world dumber than fucking Roosh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej1gtw2knEM Seriously, beyond the stupidity of dividing, and his new love of "You know who I don't care for? SPACEEE JOOOOOSSSS!" he's getting blown out of the water by Dr. Oz. So I'm not sure Roosh really has the Juice right now to tell everyone he ought to lead anything, quite frankly.

Blogger Danby May 23, 2015 1:36 PM  

I'm not sure why you would be engaging with someone on your side when the enemy is trying to imprison or kill you, literally. but I know how internecine fights go.
Still, it's the kind of of fight that even if you win, you lose.
Have fun with it.

Blogger David-093 May 23, 2015 1:53 PM  

"No he's engaging in and losing fights with Dr. Oz, the only person in the world dumber than fucking Roosh."

Retard, he went on a show watched by millions and handled himself well. What did you think was going to happen, he pulls a Tony Stark ala Iron Man 2 and completely humiliates them on national television? Roosh is not operating from a position of power so the fact that he was willing to put himself out there like that is extremely impressive.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 23, 2015 2:00 PM  

Why do you equate "being mean on the internet" with being strong?

Why do you equate being strong with being mean? Kinda like a woman who throws a punch at a man and get's popped in the face in return. "He hit me! He's mean."

Anonymous name May 23, 2015 2:05 PM  

Really? That's his crime? He's dividing the Manasphere?

What you mean is he dissociating himself from a bunch of losers and wannabes that congregate in the manosphere because the hate women.

And he's not engaging in the fight you want him to have, on the field you want to use.

Awwwww. you're so special.


That is the type of audience roosh will be left with. Someone who needs to put others down to feel superior. Not someone who thinks for himself, but someone who needs others to think for him. A follower. And that is exactly the type of audience roosh wants. That is why he is not engaging in debates and preaches in his churches down to the plebs. That is why he opens up a thread on his forum, his safe space rather than clearing up any misunderstandings about his attack in the red pill subreddit.

But I know I can't reach a person who writes like that and uses "literally" un-ironically. Who jumps into the victim mentality and pretends roosh is under attack rather than that he is the attacker himself.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 23, 2015 2:06 PM  

Really? That's his crime? He's dividing the Manasphere?

What you mean is he dissociating himself from a bunch of losers and wannabes that congregate in the manosphere because the hate women.


This is probably a general concept worth hashing out. Not the whole MGTOW thing (I think we gave that one a good enough go-around for now), but the question of when and if "friendly fire" is acceptable. Maybe that's a Brainstorm debate?

Blogger bob k. mando May 23, 2015 2:08 PM  

MrGreenMan May 23, 2015 8:28 AM
I told her that if somebody spouting off in a comment box is enough to send her life into a tailspin, that she needed to get off the Internet until at such time stuff was behind her, and the way to "heal" (as she claimed she was doing) was to not go out and argue politics then hide behind the victim status when losing.



you do understand that she's not being "triggered" at all, yes?

Anonymous p-dawg May 23, 2015 2:15 PM  

" No matter how often I say that depression is nothing to be ashamed of, and how sincerely I believe it in my head, my gut tells me otherwise."

No matter how often I say that down is up, and how sincerely I believe it in my head, my gut tells me otherwise. Weird how telling yourself something, and believing it with all your head doesn't seem to be enough to influence reality. Strange, that.

Anonymous Will Best May 23, 2015 2:15 PM  

You could always go with the Chris Pratt, pre-apology approach. I guess after watching his friend Chris Evan get raked over the coals for calling a fictional character a slut, one can never be too careful about being offensive.

Chris Pratt:

I want to make a heartfelt apology for whatever it is I end up accidentally saying during the forthcoming ‪#‎JurassicWorld‬ press tour. I hope you understand it was never my intention to offend anyone and I am truly sorry. I swear. I'm the nicest guy in the world. And I fully regret what I (accidentally will have) said in (the upcoming foreign and domestic) interview(s).

I am not in the business of making excuses. I am just dumb. Plain and simple. I try. I REALLY try! When I do (potentially) commit the offensive act for which I am now (pre) apologizing you must understand I (will likely have been) tired and exhausted when I (potentially) said that thing I (will have had) said that (will have had) crossed the line. Those rooms can get stuffy and the hardworking crews putting these junkets together need some entertainment! (Likely) that is who I was trying to crack up when I (will have had) made that tasteless and unprofessional comment. Trust me. I know you can't say that anymore. In fact in my opinion it was never right to say the thing I definitely don't want to but probably will have said. To those I (will have) offended please understand how truly sorry I already am. I am fully aware that the subject matter of my imminent forthcoming mistake, a blunder (possibly to be) dubbed "JurassicGate" is (most likely) in no way a laughing matter. To those I (will likely have had) offended rest assured I will do everything in my power to make sure this doesn't happen (again).

Blogger bob k. mando May 23, 2015 2:27 PM  

Ken White May 23, 2015 12:17 PM
stuff

Clark May 23, 2015 12:21 PM
Ken and Patrick tweet at @popehat.
Clark tweets as @clarkhat.




muwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Anonymous bgs May 23, 2015 2:45 PM  

On the subject of crazy this new book claims autism is caused by ultrasound. If so those women getting the keepsake pictures, and putting fetal US pictures on cookies hurt their kids. If true it would be major. While preg women will get ABD Cat Scans if their life depended on it women can end up with dozens of ultrasounds during a pregnancy.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X06QDYS
"Prenatal Ultrasound A New Bibliography of Human Studies Conducted in Modern China Jim West has released his unprecedented Bibliography of critical ultrasound research, as a book, available at harvoa.org and Amazon.com

Anonymous Shawn Levasseur May 23, 2015 3:15 PM  

Vox, you seem to imply that anyone who has depression is a fragile little flower who needs to be sheltered.

I'm sorry, that's bullshit.

Willingness to step into the public arena with it's slings and arrows takes at least a touch of courage from anyone who choses to do so.

Given how Ken hasn't backed down from you. I'd recommend that you reassess the idea that depression = weakness. Ken's been doing this for so long, and in such a devil-may-care fashion, that it's clear he does not fit that preconceived notion.

Being someone with a milder form of depression myself, I know that the moments I've put myself out there, (including running for office), are ones I'm proud of, that I feel are my better moments.

For the depressed, engagement with the outside world is a positive thing, a victory. Retreating from it is giving in to depression.

Blogger Danby May 23, 2015 3:16 PM  

@name
But I know I can't reach a person who writes like that and uses "literally" un-ironically. Who jumps into the victim mentality and pretends roosh is under attack rather than that he is the attacker himself.

I know literally nothing of this matter. I know vaguely who Roosh is. I've seen him mentioned on this site but I have not read more than 5 or six of his postings on his sites over the years. I don't do it because he impresses me deeply as the sort of fellow I do not get along with, and whom I would not respect.

I asked what the beef was, and my response is based entirely on what you and GGer have said. And you're coming off as whiny creeps with a hate-on for Roosh.

And one of my rules is: No Enemies On the Right.
That means, even if I hated Roosh and wanted him DEAD! as you seem to, I would not attack him so long as he is training fire on my target.

And as for his supposed "cowardice" in not replying on Reddit, are you kidding me? Is Vox or JCW a coward for not bothering to reply on File770? Why should they. they can reply just fine from their own websites, just like Satan, oops, i mean Roosh is doing.

Anonymous Clark May 23, 2015 3:23 PM  

Perhaps of interest - my thoughts on Vox vs Ken:

http://popehat.com/2015/05/23/the-ken-vs-vox-day-slap-fight/

Blogger Danby May 23, 2015 3:32 PM  

@name

WTF is your issue dude?

That is the type of audience roosh will be left with. Someone who needs to put others down to feel superior.

Was that supposed to be a put-down? Self-awareness, where is thy sting?
I don't need to feel superior. I happen to be superior in a couple of ways to 99.99% of the people in the world.

"not someone who thinks for himself"
project much? Anyone who has ever known me would like a word with you. Hell, my grade school principle and my parents would like a word with you. I successfully ran a one-man campaign to exempt myself from the pledge of allegiance in 5th grade. but yeah, i can't work this shit out for myself. Cause I'm dumb or summat.
At least I'm capable of thinking, rather than shrieking in gamma rage when someone hurts my feelings by disagreeing with me.

"A follower."
Yeah, like 95% of men, I'm not an alpha. so the fuck what? At least I don't jack off into my momma's panties like you, sister.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 23, 2015 3:42 PM  

when and if "friendly fire" is acceptable
I'm with Churchill on this one. Times are so dire and the true enemy is so insidious that "If [SJWs] invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.

There'll be plenty of time for a cold war after Yalta

Blogger Corvinus May 23, 2015 4:20 PM  

And one of my rules is: No Enemies On the Right.
That means, even if I hated Roosh and wanted him DEAD! as you seem to, I would not attack him so long as he is training fire on my target.


I've had SJWs try to get me to disavow Roosh as well, more than once.

Also, name quite obviously doesn't know what a "follower" is, as opposed to an opportunistic ally, and thinks he's being oh-so-independent by being MGTOW or whatever. The motto of the Vile Faceless Minions, "I don't care", is the key point here.

From a brief glance at the Red Pill subreddit a while ago, it is quite underwhelming and not really worthy of regular visits. Just a bunch of whiny, scared, low-ranking MRAs and MGTOWs. Being overrun with Gammas as it is, I'm not really all that surprised they've started a spat with Roosh.

Blogger VD May 23, 2015 4:28 PM  

Vox, you seem to imply that anyone who has depression is a fragile little flower who needs to be sheltered.

No, I'm simply pointing out that if you're already prone to mental instability, or feelings of failure and self-doubt, engaging in a rhetorical campaign against a sufficiently ruthless individual willing to target your vulnerabilities will probably land you back in soup. Rhetoric is all about emotional manipulation, after all.

And if you're prone to leaping in and attacking people unprovoked, it's only a matter of time before you set off the wrong individual. Look at how I cracked John Scalzi's public poise by doing nothing more than quoting him occasionally. And there are far worse people than me on the Internet.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 23, 2015 4:45 PM  

I'd recommend that you reassess the idea that depression = weakness. [...]

Being someone with a milder form of depression myself, I know that the moments I've put myself out there, (including running for office), are ones I'm proud of, that I feel are my better moments.


I would characterize that as overcoming the weakness of depression, and mean it as a compliment. Saying that depression is a weakness is not the same thing as saying people with depression are weak -- though it's a common mistake to identify oneself with one's weaknesses. We all have weaknesses to overcome, but they are things we have, not things we are.

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) May 23, 2015 4:48 PM  

Perhaps of interest - my thoughts on Vox vs Ken

So you promised to rain hell-fire upon Vox but deliver a motherly petition for truce instead. Alright.

Blogger Robert What? May 23, 2015 5:47 PM  

I haven't seen the attack article. I do like Popehat when they (he?) stick to legal analyses. I am surprised at the animosity that some bloggers show for others when, by reading their articles, you can tell they agree on the majority of their worldview. Not just referring to Popehat.

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 23, 2015 6:01 PM  

Crazy cunts demand Christian jeweler make custom wedding bands. Jeweler makes it then crazy cunts demand refund. Punished for not clapping loud enough.

http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/05/22/there-is-no-appeasing-a-fascist-mob/

Anonymous BGS May 23, 2015 6:30 PM  

I looked at Roosh's site and it seems to have one self improvement article for each crazy horny bitches article. The most recent article is 3 men who saved the west and the 3rd article is how to appreciate classical music. He is certainly doing more to save civilization than any lefty.

Anonymous Steve May 23, 2015 6:39 PM  

Roosh is awesome. He's honest, perceptive, and has balls of steel. Lots of men have been helped by Roosh's books, and he's built his own alternative media out of nothing. The guy seems to be tireless. I have massive respect for the man.

Blogger Harsh May 23, 2015 7:04 PM  

Dear Mr. Vox,

You are a POS.


Uh, it's Dear Mr. Day, you are a POS.

You're welcome.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit May 23, 2015 7:08 PM  

Dear Anonymous coward,
Nobody, absolutely nobody cares what you think, you impotent chimpanzee.

Blogger Harsh May 23, 2015 7:08 PM  

The day I let a buffoon like Roosh chafe my ass is the day that I'll pull the plug on my wi-fi.

And if you had half Roosh's intelligence, you'd know how funny this sounds.

Anonymous My Dead Gramps May 23, 2015 7:43 PM  

So much for not shooting your own, Roosh took wide aim at the TRP community. He has nothing to sell to those who have already internalized TRP, and the info online is free competition for whatever seminar/book he's trying to hock to those on the cusp of swallowing the pill.

Anonymous zen0 May 23, 2015 8:04 PM  

@ p-dawg

Weird how telling yourself something, and believing it with all your head doesn't seem to be enough to influence reality. Strange, that.

Interesting point.

This is the mistake atheists make with Christians. They assume this is the process a Christian uses to have faith, when it is in fact a circumcized heart informed by hearing, as St. Paul said.

Anonymous p-dawg May 23, 2015 8:09 PM  

@zen0: the other mistake they make is assuming that whatever they don't believe in doesn't believe in them, either. Like a child covering his eyes and exclaiming that now no one can see him.

Blogger Ken May 23, 2015 8:27 PM  

Vox, I most certainly agree with the wisdom of mentally unstable people taking a break (or completely avoiding) sites that would trigger knee jerk vitriol.

I take seizure meds that reduce my ability to think clearly, so I generally have to think 3-4 times longer before I post up (here or elsewhere); hell, I often write foolish thoughts or ridiculous non sequiters that alienate friends and foes alike, so it's also good advice for me. Thank you.

Blogger VD May 23, 2015 8:59 PM  

hell, I often write foolish thoughts or ridiculous non sequiters that alienate friends and foes alike, so it's also good advice for me. Thank you.

NP. I meant it when I said I have literally nothing against you. And no one should have to go through the sort of experience you described on your blog. Doesn't mean I'll treat you with kid gloves if you elect to take me on, of course. But what's the point? Our audiences are largely distinct anyhow.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 23, 2015 9:22 PM  

I often write foolish thoughts or ridiculous non sequiters that alienate friends and foes alike

Heck, I don't take any meds at all, but at least once a day I type up a comment; then look at it and decide it's stupid, vain, or irrelevant; and erase it and move on.

This one survived, barely.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 May 23, 2015 9:28 PM  

Now, I don't wish disease of any kind on anyone. I never have and never will.

But master.... the putrid bile that erupts forth from the pit in the center of legion headquarters bathes the vile in countless diseases every day. Enough to keep a geneticist busy for a lifetime and that is just one hours output.

Anonymous koan May 23, 2015 9:34 PM  

Ken... is this why you acted like such a cunt to John C. Wright?

Anonymous Sevron May 23, 2015 10:06 PM  

We can charitably assume so. Being nuts doesn't usually go with civility.

Blogger Doom May 23, 2015 10:18 PM  

See, now that is why I like you. Oh, sure, at one time there was potential for that to bite me. Which... was even more reason to keep stopping in. Being nice to mush brains won't serve them or anyone else. Even now that my problem is mostly physical, I still expect those I attempt to tackle or take down to try to kick my legs out. It would be unChristian to do otherwise, imho. Kick em' while they are up, kick em' when they are down... Ought to be a song. Business is business.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza May 23, 2015 11:48 PM  

What?!

I love Roosh and fat girl jihad's site, how could anyone not like Roosh?

I quote the Captain or my dad, "...I want everyone to be happy, healthy and wealthy so they won't pester me inviting a possible eruption."

Blogger LP 999/Eliza May 23, 2015 11:51 PM  

Again about the SJW's, what don't understand about AWCA.

What comedy gold, this is ***Classic Day*** aka Vox Day).

Blogger SciVo May 24, 2015 12:13 AM  

@Will Best:
"You could always go with the Chris Pratt, pre-apology approach."

I did not think that he could be any more awesome. I was wrong.

@Shawn Levasseur:
"For the depressed, engagement with the outside world is a positive thing, a victory. Retreating from it is giving in to depression."

As someone who tends toward melancholy, I concur.

@Cail Corishev:
"Saying that depression is a weakness is not the same thing as saying people with depression are weak -- though it's a common mistake to identify oneself with one's weaknesses. We all have weaknesses to overcome, but they are things we have, not things we are."

Again, I concur.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 24, 2015 12:26 AM  

Saying that depression is a weakness is not the same thing as saying people with depression are weak -- though it's a common mistake to identify oneself with one's weaknesses

That's probably one of the most galling things about the modern world to me, are the people who insist on defining everyone - most especially themselves - based on their weakness instead of their strengths. It's another manifestation of sloth and cowardice - everyone has weaknesses, so define people by their weaknesses and the world is a less embarrassing place for those without the courage or willpower to develop strengths.

Blogger SciVo May 24, 2015 4:56 AM  

@Jack Amok:
"It's another manifestation of sloth and cowardice - everyone has weaknesses, so define people by their weaknesses and the world is a less embarrassing place for those without the courage or willpower to develop strengths."

I think it's more than that. They turn weakness into power, since a victim narrative is the flip side of a threat narrative that justifies aggression. See this series for an exploration of that concept.

Blogger epobirs May 24, 2015 5:54 AM  

Speaking from direct experience, I agree. Self-isolation is a major symptom.

Anonymous Stickwick May 24, 2015 10:17 AM  

Vox, I don't have quite the insight into the SJW psychology that you do, so I'm wondering if there is a lack of distinction between attacking and simply disagreeing for the SJW. If Scalzi, for instance, were to take the approach of, "Vox is wrong about XYZ, and here is my case for why" instead of launching into the RSHD stuff, that wouldn't be seen as provocative to you, but something tells me that these are virtually the same tactic to someone like Scalzi. And that's based on my sense that "Scalzi is wrong about XYZ, and here is my case for why" would be interpreted as provocative and a personal attack to him. Do you think this is accurate?

Blogger Ken May 24, 2015 10:45 AM  

"NP. I meant it when I said I have literally nothing against you. And no one should have to go through the sort of experience you described on your blog. Doesn't mean I'll treat you with kid gloves if you elect to take me on, of course. But what's the point? Our audiences are largely distinct anyhow."

Oh, no, Vox; I'm a totally different "Ken" than Mr. White. I haven't kept a blog in years, I have no intention of "taking you on." I'm here to learn; not be unnecessarily confrontational.

On most sites, I usually post under "Pax Romana" as I do on Mr. Wright's site, but here...yeah, I haven't figured out how to do that here.

I should have considered my display name before I posted.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 24, 2015 11:13 AM  

Is White a lawyer? It sounds like he is. In this case, he's missed the obvious; practicing law is a leading cause of depressing, drunkenness, and drug abuse in itself. It's the shittiest job imaginable. Deep cleaning non-flushing toilets in Ramadi or Riyadh couldn't be worse.

Someone long ago observed that while the study of law was sublime, the practice of law was utterly sordid.

Anonymous GGer May 24, 2015 11:28 AM  

Ken,

Asking in good faith here. Is it really possible post this statement to fight you just as hard when you're being a dick anymore though, really? Like imagine we were about to get in a fist fight, and you didn't say "You wouldn't hit a man with glasses" but you said "I want to talk to you about my struggles with glasses. Now don't go easy on me,just because if you hit me in the wrong place glass might go into my eye and blind me, that's not relevant. I am not defined by my glasses and really want to have this fist fight."

1) Unless I'm a monster, I'm not going to hit you as hard. Roosh and Vox may well be monsters but you do have to realize that for anyone else we're never going to go at you that hard again, and we're not going to feel pity but we will feel sympathy and empathy for you that you do not return. Now we're in a situation where you can say "haha GGers are stupid dumb fuckin idiots" perfectly guilt free because you don't know me. You don't know my struggle. So it's very easy to assume I'm whatever's easiest to snark off at and blow me the fuck out while I now see humanity in you you don't care to see in me. You've kind of thrust it upon me. So I'm not going to shit on you about it but it's a bitch move to start a fist fight with "just so you know, I've got kids" or whatever - now you're going to point me assuming I'm a one dimensional caricature but I gotta deal with you like a friend.

2) Not all of us want to be murderers. Many people struggle with depression. Many don't win. So no matter how much you go "Ohhhh don't go easy on me u guise" yes I am going to fucking go easy on you Ken. Because while most days I feel like you might smirk a bit if you got a confirmed kill (yes, some nights mostly you get that nasty) a lot of us actually don't want to do that. So while you'll fire off your mouth in all directions, again, now I don't want to talk shit about you because while you say you can handle it as someone with experience with depression you don't know that, and you're pro firearms and liquour so if you ever decided to do it it would be done. Texas, guns, drinkers, lawers - all high suicide risks as it is and you add in social media addiction + a strong desire to be liked + actual depression ending in institutionalizing and yes, Vox is right that nobody ought to ever come at you in a serious way who's cares about not killing you.

3) It's not about depression being weakness, it's about you wanting to be a fighter and being dangerous for people to fight now. If there was a boxer who had a spot on his face where you hit him he'd die, nobody would want to fight him. If there was a boxer who if he was hit might drop down and cry, even if it wasn't related to the punch, nobody would want to fight them. And you're not the only one in this conversation with mental illness or depression, so no it's not even that special. But when you mention you have all these conditions, it changes the fight for everybody and saying "don't, though" doesn't matter - and realistically I think you know that.

So I don't think it's a weakness like vox, and I really appreciate you mentioning that AGGros throw out ableist slurs like they're going out of style, but I'm sorry I'm going to do exactly what you don't want and go easy on you from now until forever because I really do like you and don't want you to die.

You can be offended by it, or not like it but nobody cared that there was a kid in the fight wearing glasses until you said "HEY GUYS I'M WEARING GLASSES, but it's fine" but now most of us who aren't sociopaths are going "jesus, I can't hit a guy with glasses" and the sociopaths are going "Imma hit that nigga right in the glasses."

Anonymous Stickwick May 24, 2015 11:53 AM  

Ken: On most sites, I usually post under "Pax Romana" as I do on Mr. Wright's site, but here...yeah, I haven't figured out how to do that here.

Where it says "Comment as:" under the comment box, choose "Name/URL" and just fill in any name you want; you can leave the URL blank.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 24, 2015 1:03 PM  

Someone long ago observed that while the study of law was sublime, the practice of law was utterly sordid.

That sounds like something a particularly conceited law professor would say. "I'm a noble intellectual but my students are a bunch of pond scum."

Blogger Tom Kratman May 24, 2015 2:44 PM  

I vaguely recall that it was a prominent practicing lawyer, maybe in New York, about a century ago.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 24, 2015 2:46 PM  

Hmmm...one site credits Oscar Wilde, but that wasn't where I read it from.

Anonymous Teenage Jail May 24, 2015 4:56 PM  

"That's probably one of the most galling things about the modern world to me, are the people who insist on defining everyone - most especially themselves - based on their weakness instead of their strengths."

Couldn't agree more. This is summed up in three words from some so-called disability advocates -- those who insist on referring to the healthy as "temporarily able-bodied".

Anonymous Daniel Freeman May 24, 2015 6:20 PM  

Where it says "Comment as:" under the comment box, choose "Name/URL" and just fill in any name you want; you can leave the URL blank.

Arrgh! Foiled by excessive simplicity yet again! Thanks for the explanation.

Blogger Fensty May 24, 2015 10:49 PM  

Hello there Vox/VD, never been here before, don't know you or your work...just wandered in from Popehat. And reading the above have only one thought to share, in response to:

"If you are weak, then for the love of God and anything else in which you happen to believe, do not attack the strong!"

Since you say you don't live with any type of mental illness of your own, just felt I'd explain: Nothing in the diagnosis of chronic depression/major depression or bipolar depression contains the word, 'weak.' There is no component of these forms of MI that imply weakness at all.

If anything, if a person who lives with major depression or bipolar is still alive after 20 or 30 years, I think it's quite likely that person is made of far stronger stuff than the average 'norm' walking around without those illnesses. So, there's that.


Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 May 24, 2015 10:54 PM  

There is some lawyer bashing going on so time for a true story. Friend of mine (girl) worked in IT at a law firm. Went on a date with a new attorney who just started working there. She asked why he became a lawyer. His answer: "Well I woke up drugged, drunk, and hungover on the floor of a South African brothel and I thought to myself - Man - I can't get any lower than this. So I went to law school...."

Blogger Tom Kratman May 25, 2015 12:33 AM  

Remo, most people think lawyers are the enemies general of mankind, and they're generally right, too. But until you become one, you don't really that they';re not just enemies general; they're your _personal_ enemies, or soon will be.

Anonymous Pax Romana May 25, 2015 10:40 AM  

Stickwick,
THANK YOU!!!! I figured I needed an actual URL for that to work. Now I can keep my comments uniform for both sites!

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