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Thursday, May 21, 2015

Ye cats, they're stupid

I checked – somebody on File 770 thinks that Wright forgot the name of one of his characters, and changed it from Sarah to Sally randomly. Not so – she is referred to as both names, but there’s no explanation as to why in the story. It would have been better to be consistent.) ….
- SJW Chris Gerrib

One wonders if Mr. Gerrib would also require an explanation if the same character was referred to as Joey at 10 and as Joseph at 35. The SJW inability to figure this out has been a small, but telling demonstration of the intellectually inferior looking at the work of their superiors, and because they lack the wits to make sense of it, pronouncing it stupid.

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Anonymous BGS May 21, 2015 9:03 AM  

Then there was the story of a guy named Dick changing his name to Richard.

Anonymous p-dawg May 21, 2015 9:07 AM  

Also, they shamelessly referred to the same character as both "Billy" and "William", I mean, those don't even START with the same LETTERS. Wow. Just wow.

Anonymous trk May 21, 2015 9:10 AM  

James called. But his contact name shows up as Jimmy???? Wtf.

Anonymous Homesteader May 21, 2015 9:10 AM  

I was wondering why those youths kept calling me "Homey". There's no explanation for it...

Blogger Russell Newquist May 21, 2015 9:11 AM  

They can't even hit Wikipedia, their favorite site:

Sally, a nickname for Sarah
Sally, a nickname for Sandra
Sally, a nickname for Salamander

Anonymous Leonidas May 21, 2015 9:14 AM  

I mean, I'll grant them just a tad - I'd never heard Sally as a nickname for Sarah before. But on the other hand, it didn't even stand out at me enough to remember that this was an issue until they brought it up. It's not like it was hard to figure out, even if you'd never heard it.

OT: Hah! Managed to pass Recaptcha again this morning!

Blogger AmyJ May 21, 2015 9:17 AM  

It may be tempting for them to say it's a generational thing, but it's not. I'm a millennial, and went to school with a Sarah/Sally (Sally in grade school, Sarah in high school).

It's just sheer ignorance; what else can you expect from those who laud stories where the characters verbalize everything they're thinking and saying?

Blogger Harsh May 21, 2015 9:18 AM  

That dude on the original Star Trek was called "Bones" and "McCoy" seemingly at random. I could never understand that. And me am smart person.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 9:18 AM  

The SJW inability to figure this out has been a small, but telling demonstration of the intellectually inferior looking at the work of their superiors, and because they lack the wits to make sense of it, pronouncing it stupid.

"Monkey see, monkey fling poo" pretty much sums up their level of critique. Most of them are being careful to claim they've read the material and some even go so far as to say it is "OK, but not really good enough for an award" to rationalize their No Awards. What was that quintessential Gamma tell again? Oh yeah, lying to yourself.

Blogger AmyJ May 21, 2015 9:18 AM  

Feeling= saying

Need my coffee

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 9:18 AM  

Out of curiosity... what did they think Sally was short for?

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 9:19 AM  

"Need my coffee"

Me to darlin'. lots of cream and sugar. Thanks.

Blogger Alexander May 21, 2015 9:20 AM  

Confession time: I go by Alex in real life.

Devious, I know. I apologize to the lower minds who are bedeviled by this.

Anonymous Thales May 21, 2015 9:20 AM  

Oh snap. More egg on Chris Gerrib's face? ...and it's only 6am here. Damn, it's gonna be a good day...

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 9:21 AM  

"what else can you expect from those who laud stories where the characters verbalize everything they're thinking and saying?"

lulz.

Anonymous Viidad May 21, 2015 9:24 AM  

Nate: "Out of curiosity... what did they think Sally was short for?"

Salamander, obviously.

Anonymous Peter Garstig May 21, 2015 9:24 AM  

Is Dino always Dino?

Blogger Nikis-Knight May 21, 2015 9:28 AM  

Vox, I can't believe you are brilliant enough to imagine them being this stupid. Still, it will be funny to say that they declined to give a book an award in protest of the barbaric human practice of giving children nicknames.

Anonymous bgs May 21, 2015 9:29 AM  

Out of curiosity... what did they think Sally was short for? Sallyfooth, she be LaTrina's sister.

Is Dino always Dino? If you were a were-licalotopus my love, the Hugo award winning story of a woman who turns lesbian after exposure to booze.

Blogger OGRE May 21, 2015 9:31 AM  

My younger brother Chris and I don't have middle names.

Until third grade he thought his middle name was Topher.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 9:31 AM  

This Con is your Con This Con is my Con
From the Old Dominion to Yard Moose Mountain;
From Natesylvania to Italian villas
This Con was made for you and Me.

As I was reading the nominated,
I saw before me the works they hated:
I saw beneath me the moorlock beasties:
This Con was made for you and me.

I've read and imagined and followed my thoughts
From Barsoom's sands clear to Lothlorien;
And all around me a voice was sounding:
This Con was made for you and me.

When the sun came shining, and I was perusing,
And the pinkos squee'ing plans for abusing,
As the facade was fading a voice was chanting:
This Con was made for you and me.

As I went walking I saw a sign there
And the sign said "Message uber alles."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.

In the shadow of the steeple I saw my people,
By their words, I knew my people;
As they stood there hungering, I stood there asking
Is this Con made for you and me?

Nobody living can ever stop me,
As I go walking that freedom highway;
Nobody living can ever make me turn back
This Con was made for you and me.

Blogger Douglas Wardell May 21, 2015 9:33 AM  

I mean, it would be like calling someone "Ned" half the time when his name is "Eddard." How could you ever take a book that did something like that seriously? His name is Eddard, not Neddard.

Blogger Markku May 21, 2015 9:33 AM  

Quote:
SocialInjusticeWorrier on May 20, 2015 at 4:43 am said:

I don’t think switching between Sally and Sarah is a problem, so long as the author has a good reason for doing it. I could see O. Henry, for example, using the shift in names very effectively to make a point about how different someone is/appears in a formal setting (as Sarah) as opposed to their normal life (as Sally). What I don’t see is John C Wright having any such purpose in his narrative, which argues for incompetence or carelessness.


Sometimes I say Vox, sometimes I say Theo, sometimes I say Theodore. What incompetence, what carelessness!

Blogger Vogon X May 21, 2015 9:33 AM  

I heard Vox sometimes forgets his name and refers to himself as Theodore, seemingly at random.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 9:34 AM  

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Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 9:35 AM  

What incompetence, what carelessness!

There's a Malwyn for that...

Blogger Jim May 21, 2015 9:35 AM  

No one ever refer to a Margaret as "Peggy" around them. The resulting head explosion could level several city blocks.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 May 21, 2015 9:35 AM  

"randomly"

As in "We randomly switched from inclusive to exclusive as soon as we had the numbers..."

These dunderheads aren't worthy of public school or even food stamps, much less selecting literary awards.

Anonymous Rolf May 21, 2015 9:36 AM  

Nate - What? Lots of cream and sugar?

Heathen.

Blogger Guitar Man May 21, 2015 9:37 AM  

Me to darlin'. lots of cream and sugar. Thanks.

Woman...

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 9:46 AM  

Apparently we're now being accused of hating our own Graphic Novel Recommendation...

Even though... we didn't have any Graphic Novel recommendations.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 21, 2015 9:49 AM  

That's it. Any time. ANY. TIME. they make some crack or joke about the puppies, just reply: "At least we understand nicknames."

Even worse? FIRST. PAGE. of the comments at file 770 HappyTurtle posted.
http://file770.com/?p=22617&cpage=1#comment-265016
In defense of Wright, I offer the following:

Sally, or rather Sarah (for what young lady of common gentility will reach the age of sixteen without altering her name as far as she can?), must from situation be at this time the intimate friend and confidante of her sister.

Northanger Abbey by the ever-delightful Jane Austen.



At least we understand nicknames.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 21, 2015 9:49 AM  

It doesn't help that they almost certainly don't read the books they slam which are written by "bad" people. They don't need to read them because the quality is irrelevant, so why would they? That would only put them in danger. So maybe they skim a little, and they're not going to pick up anything as subtle as the reason for a name variation.

Of course, if Barack Obama writes another book after he leaves office, I won't need to read it either to know it will be bad. The difference is, even knowing that as surely as I know the sun will move from east to west today, I wouldn't review and critique the book without reading every single word at least once. But that's because I wouldn't fear being seen reading it or accidentally picking up any bad-thought from it.

Anonymous Samson J. May 21, 2015 9:49 AM  

I didn't know Sally was short for anything, much less Sarah. I've never even met anyone called Sally. I give the SJW that much; I would have been confused too.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 21, 2015 9:50 AM  

Short version: it's hard to review books and declare them bad when your policy is that bad books should never be read in the first place.

Blogger Sean May 21, 2015 9:50 AM  

"I don’t think switching between Sally and Sarah is a problem, so long as the author has a good reason for doing it. I could see O. Henry, for example, using the shift in names very effectively to make a point about how different someone is/appears in a formal setting (as Sarah) as opposed to their normal life (as Sally). What I don’t see is John C Wright having any such purpose in his narrative, which argues for incompetence or carelessness"

Would bringing up O. Henry be considered an appeal to authority since he seems to be implying that his familiarity with a well respected, but seemingly random, author means he knows what he is talking about.

Anonymous Nathan May 21, 2015 9:53 AM  

This is the same "bright" mind that came up with the punitive 4/6 "anti-slate" plan that seeks to reduce the number of nominees per voter from five to four.

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 21, 2015 9:54 AM  

and here I thought "Sally" was a diminutive of "Seer-sucker-log" or "Thrakazog" or 'Susan"

Blogger Nate Winchester May 21, 2015 9:55 AM  

Other Nate:
Even though... we didn't have any Graphic Novel recommendations.

Actually looking it up I see:

BEST GRAPHIC STORY
Reduce Reuse Reanimate by Carter Reid, (independent)

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 9:56 AM  

This is the same "bright" mind that came up with the punitive 4/6 "anti-slate" plan that seeks to reduce the number of nominees per voter from five to four.

maff be raciss

Blogger Chris Gerrib May 21, 2015 9:57 AM  

Since you mention me by name, I'll comment.

1) I did, in fact, get the Sarah / Sally switch, which was what I said.

2) Any time you change the way you refer to a character in a story, it would be better for the reader to call it out. For example, to consistently call her "Sally" until she enters the story, at which point she says "I go by Sarah now" would be simple and remove all confusion.

3) There is no explanation offered as to why Wright or his characters stop calling her Sally. Tommy calls her Sally until page 7, then Sarah on 10, then back to Sally up to page 20 (including the header of that segment) then Sarah. It's unusual for the same person to use different names for the same person. Typically, when this happens, it's a context thing - formal vs. informal. That's not defined in the story.

Sally vs. Sarah may be a nit, but these are exactly the kind of nits that toss people out of a story.

Anonymous Koppernicus 0298 May 21, 2015 10:01 AM  

At least we understand nicknames.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 21, 2015 10:01 AM  

Chris, if these nits toss people out of a story, why then did you not notice the "Thomas/Tommy" bit in the prior scene?

Also, "I go by Sarah now" isn't used to call it out to the reader, but usually to indicate an erection of a social wall between the speaker and addressee.

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 10:03 AM  

For the life of me, I can't remember what Nate might be short for either. The possibilities could be endless.

Anonymous Huckleberry-- est. 1977 May 21, 2015 10:04 AM  

From the same people who celebrate an overly elaborate patchwork of pronouns to cover two biological genders as cutting edge literature.

Blogger Guitar Man May 21, 2015 10:04 AM  

The SJWs are digging very deep if that is all they can come up with.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 10:05 AM  

Sally vs. Sarah may be a nit, but these are exactly the kind of nits that toss people out of a story.

It burns, doesn't it?

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I May 21, 2015 10:05 AM  

Can I get some bacon with that egg?
And hashbrowns and rye toast too.

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I May 21, 2015 10:07 AM  

His last name was Head.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 21, 2015 10:07 AM  

I know you won't take this advice, but when you really step in it, and everybody knows you stepped in it, it's better to grab a stick and scrape it off than to deny it's there. Because it smells.

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 10:07 AM  

Chris - "Tommy calls her Sally until page 7, then Sarah on 10, then back to Sally up to page 20 (including the header of that segment) then Sarah. It's unusual for the same person to use different names for the same person."

I haven't read the story, but from your description it sounds like verisimilitude. In my own experience when a person has a nickname, its normal for people who know them to switch between calling them that and calling them by their birth name without much rhyme or reason.

My nephew is a good example. It's pretty much random whether someone in the family will call him by his name or his initials.

Anonymous Thuvia May 21, 2015 10:08 AM  

The use of middle initials was also a slam in that thread. John C. Wright. Brad R. Torgersen. I wonder what Robert A. Heinlein would say to that.

Blogger Chad May 21, 2015 10:09 AM  

This incident shows both their lack of intelligence as well as their lack of imagination.

They call writing like Wright's boorish because they're bored. They're bored because they're lazy and lack imagination and free thought. A simple, "huh, I wonder why her name changed..." would have yielded the answer. Or it could be that she changed it when getting married, or with a job, or any other steps that are taken in life. With a short story about growing up and moving on, it leaves one to wonder if she is, in the ways that matter, the same person, a different woman, or simply the matured soul of the young girl.

This lack of imagination, the dimness of the intellectual mind and soul, is why they hate Wrights work. He assumes the reader will delight in the beauty of mystery. In gems of description he shows for only a moment, he leaves you room for your mind to create entire worlds.

They believe in only what they're shown, rarely even that, and can't even grasp that very well. How long did it take for them to raise this objection? Months for one of them to even notice it, and then they're on it like a pack of rats nibbling on rotten sewage, because they hate the taste of the feast laid before them by Wright.

They deserve our pity as much as they deserve our ire and cleansing fire. They cannot see beauty, where we would bathe our minds and souls in it continuously if we could.

Blogger Jim May 21, 2015 10:09 AM  

3) There is no explanation offered as to why Wright or his characters stop calling her Sally.

None as artful and subtle as "I'm called Sarah now." We just have the hamfisted "Tommy! How d'you, old man? Great to see you all these years! I suppose it must be Thomas now." See, the first one has the subtext a learned reader would pick up on that Sally now wants to be called Sarah, while the other flat out tells even the most obtuse in no uncertain terms that older characters shed their childish nicknames.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 10:10 AM  

The use of middle initials was also a slam in that thread. John C. Wright. Brad R. Torgersen. I wonder what Robert A. Heinlein would say to that.

Not to mention George R.R. Martin...

Blogger Alexander May 21, 2015 10:11 AM  

Yeah, I'm sure we all have friends and relatives whose we've known before and after they've changed their preferred name. And I'm sure most people switch between the two from time to time without giving a heads up that they're doing so.

Mr. Wright wrote dialogue that matches how people actually talk. Absurd, I know, but you'd think it would earn props from people who go on about how much they value 'authenticity'.

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 10:11 AM  

what the hell?

I swear I pulled up the Rabid Puppies slate before I put that comment up and didn't see it on there anywhere. And last night Vox flatly said he didn't put any recommendations up in that category because he didn't know a damn thing about it.

I new sad puppies had it on their slate... because I checked there to before I commented. That's why I specifically said "rabid puppies" rather than just "we".

Dammit.

Blogger Harsh May 21, 2015 10:11 AM  

Since you mention me by name, I'll comment.

He's like Beetlejuice!

Sally vs. Sarah may be a nit, but these are exactly the kind of nits that toss people out of a story.

Only if you're a complete fucking idiot. Are you a complete fucking idiot, Chris Gerrib?

Blogger Markku May 21, 2015 10:11 AM  

I haven't read the story, but from your description it sounds like verisimilitude. In my own experience when a person has a nickname, its normal for people who know them to switch between calling them that and calling them by their birth name without much rhyme or reason.

Yep, that is exactly what I do with the people I know since grade school. Sometimes it's even tree possibilities - the grade school nickname, the high school nickname, and the given name.

For example, I sometimes still call my best friend with his surname, because in grade school there were three kids in the class with the same first name. This was no longer the case in high school, so slowly people switched to calling him with his first name. But I still sometimes catch myself doing the surname thing.

Blogger Markku May 21, 2015 10:12 AM  

Even though I'm 36 now.

Anonymous Nathan May 21, 2015 10:12 AM  

Chris, did you notice that Sally was the young girl filled with wonder, Sarah the adult filled with fear, and while the adult Sarah is called Sally a couple times, she is only Sally in those moments when the wonder has overtaken fear?

Blogger hank.jim May 21, 2015 10:13 AM  

I would be confused as I didn't know Sally and Sarah were related names, but I disagree that a nickname needs explanation. This is definitely a nit. Further reading would make it clear to the reader. This is another example that one persons ignorance becomes someone else's implied problem. No its not.

Blogger Alexander May 21, 2015 10:14 AM  

It should also be noted that while he was nominated, Mr. Wright clearly wrote Bright Star for a more well-read audience. In the future Hugos, we ought to take into consideration that we're nominating books that will be read by those than hang out to the left-side of the bellcurve. You know, to show our inclusiveness.

As an aside, old children's books take on a new meaning if you make them more inclusive:

Chang sees Spot. Run Spot, run!

Blogger Markku May 21, 2015 10:15 AM  

None as artful and subtle as "I'm called Sarah now." We just have the hamfisted "Tommy! How d'you, old man? Great to see you all these years! I suppose it must be Thomas now." See, the first one has the subtext a learned reader would pick up on that Sally now wants to be called Sarah, while the other flat out tells even the most obtuse in no uncertain terms that older characters shed their childish nicknames.

These are the exact opposites. The one is the callee requiring it, the other is the caller suggesting it. In the first, Sally would be kind of a bitch.

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 10:15 AM  

I made a mistake earlier when I said I haven't read the story. Didn't realized we were talking about "One Bright Star to Guide them". That one I have read, and the Sally/Sarah thing definitely doesn't toss the reader out of the story.

Anonymous Sensei May 21, 2015 10:16 AM  

I think this is a symptom of their mediocre writing. Vox, and others, often reiterate the 'show, don't tell' dictum, and Vox's sometimes extreme adherence to this is one of the things I like about his writing- I'm not used to authors assuming that I, too, have a brain, and can figure things out when enough information is presented to do so.

It's a single, basic step to say "what, two names? Oh, I see, she's grown up and no longer going by Sally, and it makes sense as a small device to further illustrate the characters being at different points in their lives, no longer the children they once were, etc."

But if you're used to having everything spoonfed to you, you'll be confused at this failure of the author to render thought unnecessary on your part. I even did this at the beginning of Throne of Bones before I realized what was going on, then it was rare fun. But if I wanted/expected(/required...) the literary equivalent of a comic book, then yes I'd probably be inclined to resent the necessity of effort on my part.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 10:20 AM  

Chang sees Spot. Run Spot, run!

Ha!

Anonymous WRI May 21, 2015 10:23 AM  

It is not as if the process of growing from a child to a grown up and the things one might lose or forget along the way features central to the story. How could they know?

Blogger Markku May 21, 2015 10:24 AM  

How could they know?

Yeah, as they haven't yet gone through the process themselves...

Blogger Matt #0083 May 21, 2015 10:27 AM  

Default position of rational Enlightenment-informed logical minds: I've never heard that before. Let me look into it. Hey, I learned something new today!

Default position of anti-Puppy SJW types: I've never heard that before. Ergo, it must be wrong.

It's not the dumb that astonishes me again and again; I've been a teacher for 20 years, and have learned to deal with that. It's the overwhelming arrogance that is simply mind-boggling. The perpetually adolescent pose that all that there is that is needful of knowing, they already know.

Blogger Nikis-Knight May 21, 2015 10:27 AM  

Well, maybe I can see the point. I mean, perhaps there should have been some sort of theme in the book regarding changes made growing up that this could have helped highlight or something? You know, to be less mystifying.

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 10:28 AM  

Chris Gerrib - "3) There is no explanation offered as to why Wright or his characters stop calling her Sally."

It's called "subtlety".

Blogger Harsh May 21, 2015 10:30 AM  

That one I have read, and the Sally/Sarah thing definitely doesn't toss the reader out of the story.

Well, that's because you're not an idiot, Krul. Smart people get it.

Blogger Markku May 21, 2015 10:33 AM  

More importantly, 3) is false. As it was already pointed out, the book says: "Tommy! How d'you, old man? Great to see you after all these years! I suppose it must be Thomas now."

What kind of an absolute fucking moron, having read that, doesn't realize that "Sally" - a nickname created by exactly the same way as "Tommy" from the given name - is precisely the same thing? And notice the "suppose" in the sentence. They are not sure. They are kind of Thomas / Sarah since they are adults, but that is a completely alien way of thinking about them at this point in time. Last time they have met each other was when they were kids, and still Tommy and Sally. Hence the ambivalence about the name.

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 10:34 AM  

"It's the overwhelming arrogance that is simply mind-boggling. The perpetually adolescent pose that all that there is that is needful of knowing, they already know."

In conjunction with a refusal to admit and understand what they don't know or THAT they don't know. Precisely why if you give instruction to a wise man, he will be still wiser; teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. Oh, the bane of pride.

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 10:34 AM  

'Chris Gerrib - "3) There is no explanation offered as to why Wright or his characters stop calling her Sally." "

That's because the reader isn't assumed to be a total fucking moron.

Moron.

Anonymous Scintan May 21, 2015 10:36 AM  

Sally vs. Sarah may be a nit, but these are exactly the kind of nits that toss people out of a story.

A reader's ignorance of the commonly known, just like a reader's stupidity, is not a nit. You had a chance to correct that reader, since you say that you knew of the Sarah/Sally situation, yet you chose to bash it as a flaw when it's not.

In short, you were deceitful and dishonorable. That comes as no surprise to those of us who've read your other postings.

Anonymous Moses Lambert May 21, 2015 10:38 AM  

In 68 years, I've never heard of a Sarah being called Sally or vice-versa. I find it very irritating in books when characters' names randomly change without text to make the connection. I'm on Gerrib's side.

Blogger The Deuce May 21, 2015 10:39 AM  

Chris, did you notice that Sally was the young girl filled with wonder, Sarah the adult filled with fear, and while the adult Sarah is called Sally a couple times, she is only Sally in those moments when the wonder has overtaken fear?

Eh, it's useless trying to explain that sort of imaginative subtlety to people like Chris and those whining about it at File 770. These are people for whom the life of the mind simply isn't there.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 10:39 AM  

Perhaps the Hugo packet should come with dunce notes... like footnotes, but designed for the far left (of the bell curve)...

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 10:39 AM  

Harsh - "Well, that's because you're not an idiot, Krul. Smart people get it."

Thanks, that's pretty lavish praise around these parts.

Blogger Shimshon May 21, 2015 10:40 AM  

I've had several nicknames in my life. One I didn't like, which I finally told the ones who called me that some reasonable equivalent to "I go by Scott now". The other I liked, and my friends would switch between Scott and Scooter regularly. Even though those friends and me have only conversed online for years, they still do that today. Makes total sense. This is totally proven by my anecdotal experience.

Blogger automatth62 May 21, 2015 10:40 AM  

"I'm on Gerrib's side."

Noted.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 10:40 AM  

I'm on Gerrib's side

...of the bell curve

Blogger slarrow May 21, 2015 10:40 AM  

Ah, Chris Gerrib, the reason I paid my $40 this year. To be fair, he offered an actual critique of Vox's short story last year and a defense of the lady astronaut story. It was then that I decided to join up the next time I could, because if his level of taste and understanding typified the standard Hugo voter, clearly the pool needed to be improved.

I've been reading and watching a lot of Ben Crystal who talks about Shakespeare and the way he includes such stage direction in his language. One of those distinctions we miss in modern English is the thee/you distinction, the informal/formal second person pronoun that helps us see when things are changing: when people have gone from shouting across the stage at one another to being close together, when the formality of address has softened into the casual intimacy of comrades, when the intimacy of shared conspiracy has hardened into the coldness of formal speech. (Crystal points out, for example, that Lady MacBeth, who oscillates between the intimate "thee" and impersonal "you" with her husband, never refers to him as "thee" again after he expresses doubt about killing Duncan.)

It appears to me that Wright is doing the same thing here with Sally/Sarah (as Nathan noted above). If that's the kind of "nit" that takes you out of the story, you never had the bones to be in it in the first place.

Anonymous Wanderer May 21, 2015 10:41 AM  

Oh my, the ever so educated users of language were unaware that Sally is the diminutive of Sarah.

I wonder if they thought of using the internet?

Blogger Jim May 21, 2015 10:41 AM  

I find it very irritating in books when characters' names randomly change without text to make the connection.

Considering A) It is explained at the very beginning of Chapter 2 and B) It's not random and C) This has all been pointed out in this very thread, you must be a moron of brilliant splendor.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 10:42 AM  

I wonder if they thought of using the internet?

Isn't that the thingie you use to post pictures of your cats?

Blogger Alexander May 21, 2015 10:44 AM  

I haven't bothered reading the mass of "This is why John Wright sucks" that the other side seems to be posting a lot of, but I suspect this sort of thing is rife.

Hateful, Petty, and Stupid. A bad combo when the internet is forever.

Anonymous Moses Lambert May 21, 2015 10:47 AM  

Stilicho #0066 - Your song is GREAT!

Anonymous BigGaySteve May 21, 2015 10:50 AM  

Chris Gerrib May 21, 2015 9:57 AM Since you mention me by name, I'll comment.

This is kind of awkward, I told you my name was Scottie when we meet via GRINDR.

Still too stupid to understand even after getting onto this article. Back when I was living with Little Gay Steve I wonder if he could figure out which witch was which. Did your daddy every call you Christopher when you where a bad boy?

Sally vs. Sarah may be a nit, but these are exactly the kind of nits that toss people out of a story.

You mean like the Bucket List having more smart blacks in one family than all of sub sahara Africa?

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 10:52 AM  

Moses Lambert - "I find it very irritating in books when characters' names randomly change without text to make the connection."

It's not random, the author just doesn't beat you over the head with the explanation.

Stilicho - "Perhaps the Hugo packet should come with dunce notes... like footnotes, but designed for the far left (of the bell curve)..."

I think Fi would actually be quite helpful for them.

Fi: **Bing** "You just read the word 'chair'. Did you know that chairs are for sitting?"

Anonymous Soga May 21, 2015 10:57 AM  

Hey, don't knock Chris, guys. He's got company like John Scalzi, DEGREED IN THE PHILOSOPHY OF LANGUAGE. With company like that, he most certainly is far too above having to know how nicknames work. I mean, check your privilege! Don't you know that having nicknames is a white thing and a privilege and that makes you naughty, naughty, naughty RSHDs?

And remember, the space in Chris Gerrib ain't silent. That's ChrisSPACEGerrib!

Blogger IM2L844 May 21, 2015 10:57 AM  

I seen that nonsense at 770 yesterday and just laughed. I awarded the "Dreaded Elk" comments here the other day more style points.

Anonymous annie May 21, 2015 10:58 AM  

this is a test.

Blogger P.T. Barnumium May 21, 2015 11:00 AM  

In 35 years, I've never seen a story that so completely FAILS to describe the breathing of each character. Are they all zombies? WHY OH WHY do they not drop down dead with the lack of explained respiration. I find it very irritating in books when very basic things are left to shared assumption & common experience without explicit exposition to make the connection. John C Wright's insistence on presuming an adult level of recognition tore me right OUT of the story. I had to lie down softly striking my labelled cutlery IN AN UP & DOWN DIRECTION for 40 minutes.

I'm on Gerrib's side.

Anonymous Scintan May 21, 2015 11:06 AM  

Chris Gerrib is sometimes referred to as Christopher Gerrib. Another nit?

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) May 21, 2015 11:08 AM  

"In short, you were deceitful and dishonorable. That comes as no surprise to those of us who've read your other postings"

I second this one: virtually all of Gerrib's commentary I have read on this subject has been passive-aggressive, deceitful, and frankly dishonorable.

Him mentioning that "he got it" which honestly I doubt...yet then failing to point that out to the other poster: SInce when did an SJW pass on an opportunity to preen within the Warren?

Anonymous Leonidas May 21, 2015 11:08 AM  

Not to mention George R.R. Martin...

But the SJWs hate him today because Sansa rape, so initials have always been bad. Just like we've always been at war with Eastasia.

Anonymous Bz May 21, 2015 11:09 AM  

If Sally/Sarah confounds the pink side into spitting venom, I think I see why Gene Wolfe isn't winning more awards.

Blogger Markku May 21, 2015 11:10 AM  

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Rather, he is under the threat of unpersoning right now. But, with a ritual denunciation of D&D, he could still save his butt.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 May 21, 2015 11:11 AM  

People have even managed to figure out that I'm Difster when they see my actual last name without having to be told.

These SJWs take pride in their stupidity.

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 11:11 AM  

"Chris Gerrib is sometimes referred to as Christopher Gerrib. Another nit?"

No, I am sure they two completely different people. There is no way they could be the same. Enough to toss us all out of this blog.

Blogger Alexander May 21, 2015 11:12 AM  

I'm on Gerrib's side.

This is very ambiguous. Chris Gerrib is a three-dimensional person and so has multiple sides. You need to specify which one you are on.

Blogger Daniel May 21, 2015 11:14 AM  

Faulkner made an actual mistake in As I Lay Dying. The floor of the cabin changes from dirt to plank.

That nit took me out of the story and no wonder the stupid book never won any awards or accolades...

Of course, as dumb as I am I realize Wright's switch is a feature, not a bug...so...

John C. Wright, you are no William Faulkner...and ain't none of you worthy of a Redshirt Hugo.

Nicknames...Holy mackerel. NICKNAMES. We here talking about nicknames!

Blogger David-093 May 21, 2015 11:20 AM  

I had no idea that Sally was a diminutive of Sarah, but why on earth this would confound them is beyond me. She couldn't just have a nickname as a kid?

Freakin idiots.

Anonymous Bz May 21, 2015 11:20 AM  

Some of these situations would be far less ridiculous if their bloated egos could suffer to say, "you know what, duh, I didn't get that, sorry". Instead we get these tedious, long-winded, mulish attempts to brazen it out.

Blogger David-093 May 21, 2015 11:21 AM  

"I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Rather, he is under the threat of unpersoning right now. But, with a ritual denunciation of D&D, he could still save his butt."

They always eat their own.

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 11:23 AM  

No see y'all don't get it. Its their superior intelligence that keeps them from understanding. They don't understand Hot Equations at all. That's how they know they are so smart.

If they understood it they would be dumb dumbs. Like us.

Because Salley.

Blogger Russell (106) May 21, 2015 11:23 AM  

I just read the Sally chapter in the story. Mr. Wright does not switch her name randomly, "Sally shivered and shook her head." has emotion impact because it shows how far she's retreated into her shell of her childhood.

The chapter is titled "Sally" for a reason. Tommy calls her "Sarah" for a reason. Sarah see's herself as "Sally" at one point for a reason.

It's frickin' obvious.

Anonymous Scintan May 21, 2015 11:26 AM  

I just read the Sally chapter in the story. Mr. Wright does not switch her name randomly, "Sally shivered and shook her head." has emotion impact because it shows how far she's retreated into her shell of her childhood.

The chapter is titled "Sally" for a reason. Tommy calls her "Sarah" for a reason. Sarah see's herself as "Sally" at one point for a reason.

It's frickin' obvious.


Not to Chris/Christoper, apparently.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream May 21, 2015 11:27 AM  

You gotta admire SJWs. Everyone else's stupid dials only go up to 10.

Blogger Vogon X May 21, 2015 11:28 AM  

Not to mention George R.R. Martin

Isn't Ursula K. Le Guin on their side?

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 11:29 AM  

Perhaps Mr. Wright will weigh in at some point and enlighten all of us about what he was REALLY trying to say.

Blogger P.T. Barnumium May 21, 2015 11:30 AM  

I wish I was clever enough to be functionally illiterate too. Then I'd also be able to construct a half arsed non-reason as a pitifully opaque justification for doing the thing I was going to do anyway.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 11:30 AM  

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Rather, he is under the threat of unpersoning right now. But, with a ritual denunciation of D&D, he could still save his butt

I think some dwarf jousting is in order.

Anonymous Nathan May 21, 2015 11:30 AM  

It's a surprise that this little nit caused such an uproar and not, say, Richard's corruption by the pursuit of magical power through sexual esctasy. Makes me wonder if they read more than a couple pages.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream May 21, 2015 11:31 AM  

I'm just a poor, cave-person SJW. Your modern nicknames frighten and confuse me.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy May 21, 2015 11:32 AM  

The first time I read ‘One Bright Star’ (before nominating it), I didn't have trouble with Sally/Sarah's nick/name at all.

After the nominations were announced, I downloaded the compilation of John C. Wright's nominated works, and for some reason casually skimmed the beginning of the chapter about Sally/Sarah, and that time, I mentally tripped over her nick/name. So I can certainly understand the SJWs getting confused by that.

Anonymous Ed May 21, 2015 11:35 AM  

To be fair to JCW even the greats struggle remembering their characters names. Russians in particular seem to struggle. They all have at least four names!

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 11:37 AM  

"Russians in particular seem to struggle. They all have at least four names!"

'War and Peace' would make their heads explode.

Blogger Alexander May 21, 2015 11:40 AM  

In other good books related news, I see Viidad made the instanpundit. Awesome.

Blogger Alexander May 21, 2015 11:41 AM  

Woe betide the SJW that attempts to read Tale of Genji. That book clearly deserves no literary merit, given its very confusing use of titles and references.

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 11:42 AM  

"Bruce Baugh on May 20, 2015 at 8:26 am said:

Nate’s monologue reminds me of the thing that really chafes me about a lot of noisy, disruptive modern conservatives: how much time the rest of us end up explaining their own principles to them."


Good of them to explain our own principles to us They understand us so well, after all.

"Peace Is My Middle Name on May 20, 2015 at 2:07 am said:

Given Wright’s stated attitudes towards women, I find it utterly unsurprising that he cannot even remember the name of his own character.

In his Hugo-nominated turgid and pompous pseudointellectual religious screed “The Parliament of Beasts and Birds,” the only female present is the cat, which he uses as a symbol for treachery and disloyalty."


Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 11:42 AM  

"There was Dallas, from Phoenix; Cleveland - he was from Detroit; and Tex... well, I don't remember where Tex come from."

-Forrest Gump

Blogger Russell (106) May 21, 2015 11:43 AM  

Russians in particular seem to struggle. They all have at least four names!

I take it Anna Karenina is beyond their ken?

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 11:47 AM  

"which he uses as a symbol for treachery and disloyalty.""

Both treachery AND disloyalty.

Also infidelity, faithlessness, treason, sedition, perfidy and double-dealing.

Blogger JartStar May 21, 2015 11:48 AM  

There's a method to the madness, it's not stupidity.

SJW #1: "The story by Wright is so badly done he couldn't even keep track of his character's name. No award"

SJW #2: "Really?"

SJW #3: "Wow. Just wow."

SJW #4 "I can't even..."

SJW #2, #3, # 4 in unison: "Thanks, it saves me the trouble of reading it. No award."




Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 11:49 AM  

they keep claiming we can't name bad hugo winners...

here's the list of recent hugo winners that suck... and I'm just gonna stick with the novel category because its the big one... and we have plenty of ammo:

2014: Ancillary Justice. Boring and gimmicky.. a lame gimmick... that was lame when Ayn Rand did it 50 years ago.

2013: Redshirts: The very definition of crap.

2012: Among Others: This isn't even sci fi. Its an angsty teen dairy.. and it sucks.

2011:Blackout: Set in 2060... our time traveling heros somehow don't have cell phones, email, answering machines, or email. Because if they did... the whole plot would fall apart. Its tedious. Its beyond tedious. Its the ideo of a futuristic techno future conceived by someone who neither understands science or technology.

How's that for starters? And honestly going back as far as 2007 finding a hugo winner with more than a 4 star rating is not impossible... but its certainly a rare thing.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 11:49 AM  

There was this trilogy I tried to read one time, but the inconsistent use of Sam/Samwise, Pippin/Peregrin, Merry/Meriadoc, Gandalf/Mithrandir, Strider/Aragorn/Dunadan, Gollum/Smeagol, Saruman/Sharky, was so distracting I couldn't finish. Not to mention the totally sexist way the author made the major female character wear chainmail.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream May 21, 2015 11:50 AM  

So people (I use the term loosely) wonder why a story where the characters are experiencing a major conflict between their adult identity and their child identity and trying to reconcile them would cycle back and forth between their childhood nicknames and their formal, adult names? Wow, it's almost like it fits with the theme.

Anonymous Viidad May 21, 2015 11:50 AM  

@Alexander

Thank you - hadn't seen that yet.

Blogger harry12 May 21, 2015 11:50 AM  

Can someone help me out? I would like to know if Unpersoning is the next step after Disemvoweling or is there a midway stage?

Anonymous Minion #0172 May 21, 2015 11:51 AM  

Isn't Ursula K. Le Guin on their side?

Must also note that distinguished SJW and the only male on Earth who makes John Scalzi look macho, McCreepy himself:

Jim C. Hines

Blogger Phunctor May 21, 2015 11:53 AM  

I'm 80% through 3-body problem. Plot holes abound. Too much handwavium.

The Deus ex machina has just been surfaced, to minimal surprise.

The author doesn't have a quantitative grasp of physics, or of the difference between r^-3 tides and r^-2 straight gravity.

I'm tempted to give this one to Noah, but that would be spiteful, because it's a pretty good book. The opening set in the Red Guard hysteria will not be a wakeup call to any ilkling. But might, given the ability to pattern match, cause some kind of mental event in a few undecideds. So that's all good.

It's just not much of a skiffy book. It tries to mix physics with magical realism (ooh, chaotic!) and fails.

Blogger Phunctor May 21, 2015 11:54 AM  

I'm 80% through 3-body problem. Plot holes abound. Too much handwavium.

The Deus ex machina has just been surfaced, to minimal surprise.

The author doesn't have a quantitative grasp of physics, or of the difference between r^-3 tides and r^-2 straight gravity.

I'm tempted to give this one to Noah, but that would be spiteful, because it's a pretty good book. The opening set in the Red Guard hysteria will not be a wakeup call to any ilkling. But might, given the ability to pattern match, cause some kind of mental event in a few undecideds. So that's all good.

It's just not much of a skiffy book. It tries to mix physics with magical realism (ooh, chaotic!) and fails.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) May 21, 2015 11:57 AM  

2) Any time you change the way you refer to a character in a story, it would be better for the reader to call it out.
@Chris Don't you mean it would be better to have the writer call it out?

Bane wrote that he'd like to lead the reader up to making the intuitive jump, but leave that bit of the story to the reader. Probably culled out everyone below a certain IQ, but it does engage the readers mind more in the story.

Blogger Steveo #238 May 21, 2015 12:00 PM  

Here's my theory, this is mine...
no, not that brontosaurus's are thin on one end...
but this:

JOHN C. WRIGHT DAY!

Buy one of John's books, leave it in a high school libary (sic for sjws). I suggest May 22.

Anonymous Baseball Savant May 21, 2015 12:10 PM  

So is Big Pussy a shorthand name for Sal?

Blogger CarpeOro May 21, 2015 12:10 PM  

"Nate: "Out of curiosity... what did they think Sally was short for?"

In a day and age where parents INTENTIONALLY give their children names that are misspelled or are just plain ridiculous (Dweezel, Moon-unit, probably find a Shenikwa without searching to long), things can be a bit confusing. Let's face it, when you get busy redefining the meaning of every word as needed it is hard to recall minor exceptions like nicknames. The SJWs would be the last to admit it, but they have reached their goal at least in their own ranks: they have rendered communication so muddled that they can barely communicate through the spoken and written mediums. Let them continue to be befuddled and strive in our own community to be there opposites - maintaining a level of clarity and civility that they eschew because it would expose them for what they are. We should celebrate those who can write still and do our best to emulate them. Years ago I was a bit miffed when someone heard me communicating with a customer and said "you are the whitest man I know". Today I'd be pleased.

Blogger John Wright May 21, 2015 12:12 PM  

@ Russell

"It's frickin' obvious."

Thank you, Russell. I was beginning to think lizard monsters from the Alpha Draconis system had replaced all the 770 commentators with creatures unfamiliar with human things we have on this green world, things like names, nicknames, childhood, and age, or how to read things in a story.

The sad thing is, they did it themselves, with no help from Alpha Draconis.

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 12:13 PM  

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Blogger Daniel May 21, 2015 12:14 PM  

Actually, that us a fine idea, steveo. Let's move a little later and coordinate it.

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 12:15 PM  

@Krul

You visited . . . . didn't you?

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 12:16 PM  

Rabbi B,

Nope.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 21, 2015 12:17 PM  

If I said, "SJWs don't like John C. Wright because they aren't smart enough to understand his stories," I'd be accused of exaggeration and name-calling. So thanks to Chris Gerrib for proving that point for me.

I wonder what it must be like for him to read something fairly abstract, like King's The Gunslinger. "Wait, what's his name? Why is he following this guy? Why did those people attack him? Where did that kid come from? I don't understand; I need the author to explain all these things to me in clear, one-syllable words so I can enjoy the story!"

Blogger grendel May 21, 2015 12:17 PM  

"ChrisSPACEGerrib"

Yes and then we can call him Crispus when we don't want him to know we're talking about xim.

Blogger Daniel May 21, 2015 12:21 PM  

Actually, that us a fine idea, steveo. Let's move a little later and coordinate it.

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 12:25 PM  

"with no help from Alpha Draconis."

well the Draconi wanted to help. Sadly.. I intercepted them and now have most of them chained up in my yard. I force them to eat the jap grass down. You can't burn the jap grass you know it burns far to hot and kills everything.

You have to keep an eye on jap grass. very invasive. The draconi don't like it much but I really don't care. Every so often one complains and I disembowel it and feed its rude organs to the stray cat that hangs around.

sets the proper tone.

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 12:26 PM  

David the Good is likely upset with me now... draconi entrails are probably excellence compost materials...

Anonymous Ha May 21, 2015 12:27 PM  

There was this trilogy I tried to read one time, but the inconsistent use of Sam/Samwise, Pippin/Peregrin, Merry/Meriadoc, Gandalf/Mithrandir, Strider/Aragorn/Dunadan, Gollum/Smeagol, Saruman/Sharky, was so distracting I couldn't finish. Not to mention the totally sexist way the author made the major female character wear chainmail.

And who was that frigging Elassar guy anyway?

On the plus side, the movies have ass-kicking elf-warrioresses and transgressive elf-dwarf romances.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 12:27 PM  

draconi entrails are probably excellence compost materials...

so are stray cats

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 12:30 PM  

And who was that frigging Elassar guy anyway?

Some joker who also went by the name "Elfstone"... probably a crypto-Elfkenazi

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 12:30 PM  

"so are stray cats"

quite so.. never the less this one kills things that need killing... and has thus-far otherwise avoided the behaviors that normally get cats composted. For example it doesn't walk on our cars. Its like it knows.

Anonymous Michael Maier May 21, 2015 12:31 PM  

OT: I see our friend David The Good got a spot on LRC today!

I need to re-read and post a review of your book. Very fun read. Makes me wish I had much more land... for me to poop on! :D

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 12:35 PM  

Its like it knows.

Word gets around.

Anonymous BGS May 21, 2015 12:37 PM  

Can someone help me out? I would like to know if Unpersoning is the next step after Disemvoweling or is there a midway stage?

I guess I was right about them not being smart enough to be capable of reading Disemvoweled words. We could disemvowel our own communications to keep SJWs from knowing out super secret plans. Wh LL thnks t's gd pln?

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 12:43 PM  

"Wh LL thnks t's gd pln?"

Who ILL thanks it's god plane?

Anonymous Soga May 21, 2015 12:45 PM  

Honestly, you wouldn't even need to disemvowel. A simple rot13 would take the SJWs years to decipher.

And then every year, we simply pick a new rot-XX scheme, just so when they finally crack one, they're years behind.

Anonymous Chris S. May 21, 2015 12:46 PM  

But remember, calling all characters "she" is enlightened, and is not in any way distracting nor does it detract from the reader's experience.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 12:48 PM  

But remember, calling all characters "she" is enlightened, and is not in any way distracting nor does it detract from the reader's experience.

She-it

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 12:49 PM  

"She-it"

+1

Blogger Corvinus May 21, 2015 12:50 PM  

I take that Mr. Gerrold has never read any of the major famous Russian novels either.

What we have here is a prime example of liberal dysgenia. In the 1960s we had Cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt School all over academia. Now, we have SJW dumbasses.

Give us another fifty years, and we'll have what, howler monkeys?

Blogger Corvinus May 21, 2015 12:50 PM  

*Mr. Gerrib. Whatever.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) May 21, 2015 12:53 PM  

In a similar vein, a number of the "plot holes" that people complained of in Interstellar were of the same variety. Nolan didn't take time to info dump on a silver platter but simply did things in a way consistent with the world in the movie.

Leading example: They have a Single Stage to Orbit craft. Why launch it on an apollo style platform? It doesn't make sense and is just a cheap shot for the nostalgic thrill!

Anyone who has played verbal space program is acutely aware of how precious fuel and delta-V are.

Anyone who's read any amount of hard SF - like old Heinlein, or the Martian, where orbital and fuel-saving trajectories play a part - would understand how precious fuel and delta-V are.

Anyone who's considered why probes are sent out using gravity slings understands how precious fuel and delta-V are

Hell. Anyone weaned on EE Smith and/or antigrav space opera who pays attention to the bloody movie and their use of chemically fueled rockets and how often fuel restrictions play a part in the decision making understands they have little enough to spare.

So if you're ACTUALLY smart instead of preening, and you ask "why would they do that" there is at least one blindingly, glaringly obvious answer as to why they'd get the SSTO to orbit with a nearly full tank instead of burning it on the first launch to orbit.

Blogger James Dixon May 21, 2015 12:55 PM  

> It's frickin' obvious.

To those with discernment, of course it is. I haven't read it, but when this came up I realized that was undoubtedly what John was doing.

Blogger Krul May 21, 2015 1:01 PM  

Corvinus - "Give us another fifty years, and we'll have what, howler monkeys?"

Less than fifty years.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 May 21, 2015 1:02 PM  

*Mr. Gerrib. Whatever.

I made the same mistake initially. That nit nearly tossed me out of the thread.

Anonymous the bandit May 21, 2015 1:04 PM  

My initial reaction was, "What the heck do they need to be able to grasp something like this? 'Her name is Sally. She is ten years old'?"

But then I realize that I've read hack constructions like that before...in SJW writing.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 21, 2015 1:06 PM  

Ever try reading The Brothers Karamazov, or other Dostoyevsky? How about 3 or 4 different names/nicknames/terms-of-endearment for the same person depending on who is talking or where or other context..........

Anonymous patrick kelly May 21, 2015 1:13 PM  

" I'm on Gerrib's side."

Please stay over there....

Blogger BigFire May 21, 2015 1:16 PM  

re: patrick kelly
Even better, Tale of Genji. Outside of the main character, no one is referred by their given name. Only nickname or their official position. There are multiple characters occupying the office of Minister of the Left, and you have to deduce by inference which one they're talking about.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 21, 2015 1:21 PM  

You gotta' understand, most of SJW writing is about trans-dino-wear-seal-identity whatever, which they have to 'splain in detail cuz' no-one else would have a clue as to wtf they are writing about if they didn't.......so they assume other writers need to do the same thing.....about nicknames and other obscure concepts that confound lil' wabbity sjw minds....

Blogger maniacprovost May 21, 2015 1:28 PM  

I wonder what it must be like for him to read something fairly abstract, like King's The Gunslinger. "Wait, what's his name? Why is he following this guy? Why did those people attack him? Where did that kid come from? I don't understand; I need the author to explain all these things to me in clear, one-syllable words so I can enjoy the story!"

You laugh, but look at how much YA fiction these people read. Particularly in the fantasy romance market. Take "Chalice." It's actually really good, if you're a teen girl. Which man will the specially gifted magical girl choose??? I think I read it one day while waiting at the doctor's office? Anyway, many of these people literally have a high school reading level. There is no subtlety or subtext in the novels they are accustomed to.

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 1:30 PM  

"Anyway, many of these people literally have a high school reading level. "

No they don't. Not even close. Remember... the average CEO writes at an 8th grade level and that's considered good... not bad or dumb.

Wright is writing at or just above the high school level in most of his works.... and they can't keep up.

No they read at a 5th grade to 7th grade level.

Blogger maniacprovost May 21, 2015 1:30 PM  

I assume someone is accusing them of nerd-shaming for the recent twitter hatefest against Dungeons and Dragons?

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 1:31 PM  

'Ever try reading The Brothers Karamazov, or other Dostoyevsky? "

WHITESPLAINING!

Blogger S1AL May 21, 2015 1:32 PM  

Also, guys, you're a bunch of Klansmen: http://file770.com/?p=22634&cpage=8#comment-266118

Blogger maniacprovost May 21, 2015 1:32 PM  

Wright is writing at or just above the high school level in most of his works.... and they can't keep up.

No they read at a 5th grade to 7th grade level.


Well... there is sentence complexity and vocabulary, which is how you normally determine someone's reading level. Then there is the complexity of the ideas presented, which is something else.

When you write something for customers, or shareholders, you have to use short, plain sentences so that the one idiot out of a hundred won't get mad / sue you.

Blogger Alexander May 21, 2015 1:33 PM  

twitter hatefest against Dungeons and Dragons?

If you're seeing SJW's bashing D&D in the past few days, that is in reference to Game of Thrones, not the traditional D&D.

Blogger Caedryn - VFM #54 May 21, 2015 1:36 PM  

I had an english teacher in college push my exam paper through to be published in their english journal because she thought I was brilliant for catching that an Indian man had a familiar name and a social name and used them to distance his two lives from each other. Jokes on her; as the exam was on Halloween, I was drunk as hell and in a skipper costume and still wrote a paper better than she admitted to being able to write herself. I loved that class though, she was a high 8 and dressed it and would let me leave class to get ice cream from the truck as long as I brought her back a creamsicle.

Blogger maniacprovost May 21, 2015 1:37 PM  

If you're seeing SJW's bashing D&D in the past few days, that is in reference to Game of Thrones, not the traditional D&D.

How am I supposed to know it's about the producers of GoT when they use two names for the same thing? I are confused.

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 1:38 PM  

"Wright is writing at or just above the high school level in most of his works.... and they can't keep up."

I pasted a random paragraph from Mr. Wrights current post. Results below:

Number of Sentences: 18

Words Per Sentence: 27

Characters Per Word: 4.86

Flesch Reading Ease: 53.05

Fog Scale Level: 15.9

Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 12.57

The Flesch Reading Ease Scale:

The Flesch score relies on the number of syllables and sentence lengths to determine the reading ease of the sample. 20 words per sentence with 1.5 syllables per word yields a Flesch score of 60 and is taken to be plain English. A score in the range of 60-70 corresponds to 8th/9th grade English level. A score between 50 and 60 corresponds to a 10th/12th grade level. Below 30 is college graduate level. To give you a feel for what the different levels are like, most states require scores from 40 to 50 for insurance documents.

The Fog Scale:

The Fog scale is similar to the Flesch scale in that it uses syllable counts and sentence length. The scale uses the percentage of 'Foggy' words, those that contain 3 or more syllables.

A fog score of 5 is readable, 10 is hard, 15 is difficult, and 20 is very difficult.

The Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level :

The Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level heuristic indicates that the average student in the grade level produced by the scale can read the text.

"No they read at a 5th grade to 7th grade level."

The blog must be unintelligible.


Blogger Caedryn - VFM #54 May 21, 2015 1:40 PM  

@maniacprovost

GK Chesterton would say a common man would be much more apt to understand Mr. Wright than the modern aristocracy as the common man possess the quality of wit while the aristocrat merely flatters himself with a trait he does not possess.

Anonymous The Unnumbered May 21, 2015 1:43 PM  

"Also, guys, you're a bunch of Klansmen."

Ain't no Democrat here...

Blogger Chad May 21, 2015 1:44 PM  

Guys, I think we just learned why SJWs are against Christianity.

God didn't explain the name changes well enough for Abram to Abraham, Sarai to Sarah, and Jacob to Israel. It took them out of scripture so much they just couldn't continue reading.

I couldn't tell you how, but I'm sure that holding it against them is racist and sexist.

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 1:49 PM  

"God didn't explain the name changes well enough . . ."

'No longer shall your name be called Sally, but your name shall be Sarah . . . '

Yes, much better. Propels me right back into the story. Phew.

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 21, 2015 1:59 PM  

"Give us another fifty years, and we'll have what, howler monkeys?"

Is that a reference to the feminist musical group The Sirens?

Blogger Tim May 21, 2015 2:10 PM  

My name is Timothy. When I was a kid I was Timmy. Now I am Tim. Except to my dad and favorite uncle me, my brother, and my cousin were interchangeably "Clyde" (don't ask me, never did figure that one out). Oh, and to the people who knew me when I was working my way through college I was "Mac" as often as not. If I ever become a community organizer and write my autobiography, that guy is REALLY gonna hate it.

Blogger Chiva May 21, 2015 2:18 PM  

"There are simply too many words Mr Wright" - Emperor Joseph II

Blogger Nate May 21, 2015 2:21 PM  

man... imagine what these guys would think if they found out folks named Hiram were often called Hank...

Blogger rcocean May 21, 2015 2:24 PM  

As someone who is reading a history of the 1950s, I have to share Chris' point of view. For example, the author refers to Eisenhower and also some guy called "Ike" without any further explanation. What's up with that? Even odder there's Vice-President Richard Nixon and then some guy Dick Nixon. His brother, maybe? The author never makes it clear. A definite flaw. PS. - I am smart, I just stopped bragging about my IQ when I was 8 - dudebros.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 21, 2015 2:25 PM  

Everything that an SJW says or writes for the consumption of other SJWs can be translated as, "I am a reliable, valuable member of the herd; please do not drive me out." The actual words are just garnish.

So when Chris says something snarky about a "bad" book, other SJWs don't really care what he says, probably don't even read it that closely. They just get the signal, so he's still in the herd. It's like when I take one of my dogs outside, then when I bring her back in the other dog has to sniff her butt to make sure she's still herself. SJW conversations are just verbal butt-sniffing.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 21, 2015 2:35 PM  

"The blog must be unintelligible."

...and therefore bad......

Blogger Ize19 May 21, 2015 2:35 PM  

This wasn't the only asinine criticism they made of him. They also jumped all over his use of the phrase "the hoi polloi." Four or five different people offered some variation of, "really? The the many? I thought he knew Greek!"

Then they transitioned to a game of listing as many common article redundancies as they could think of, ala "the la brea tar pits," then bashing Wright because the examples they gave didn't excuse someone who did the same thing while "trying to appear cultured."

You know what's funny? Here's the relevant quote, which I didn't see any of them post: "I actually have rather plebeian tastes . Albeit I suppose a real plebeian would not know the word “plebeian”. He would use the phrase “the hoi polloi” instead."

So, Mr Wright is accused of trying to appear cultured, in a quote where he talks about his common taste, and attacked for using a phrase the way they admit it would commonly be used, even though he stated that as his intention.

Lying, or stupid? I honestly don't know.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 21, 2015 2:39 PM  

Nate: "David the Good is likely upset with me now... draconi entrails are probably excellence compost materials..."

Jon Lovitz certainly is...he says that when it comes to dead aliens in the back yard, there's only one word: BARBECUE!

Blogger Markku May 21, 2015 2:43 PM  

Wikipedia:

Most find it best to not even drop articles when using proper nouns made from foreign languages:

"The movie is playing at the 'El Capitan' theater."

Anonymous Kel-Tec PF9 (the dash don't be silent) May 21, 2015 2:43 PM  

I figured it would be the pro life message that DQd the story for the pinks.

Blogger kh123 May 21, 2015 2:47 PM  

From midwit to nitwit. Good job, Mr. Giblet.

Blogger Rabbi B May 21, 2015 2:50 PM  

"Lying, or stupid? I honestly don't know."

How about: petty, childish, base, and full of envy.

What does one say about people who always have to denigrate others in order to exalt themselves? It is indicative of a shameless culture that takes great delight in fault-finding to the nth degree just for the sheer pleasure of watching them fall.

They are outclassed and outgunned by someone of the caliber of Mr. Wright, and they simply can't brook the idea that somewhere, out there, is a heart that beats in the chest of one who has mastered a craft they probably don't even understand, let alone could ever hope to imitate.

They have their reward.

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